WEBVTT - Parcast 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:07.200 Hi, Welcome to Access podcast, the podcast about podcasts. I'm 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.560 Addie Stout. We are headed towards the Halloween season and 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.560 I thought it'd be a great time to talk about 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.560 a few creepy podcasts. And nobody does creepier podcast better 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.079 than Max Cutler and the folks at podcast. They've given 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.680 you such titles as serial Killers, Unsolved Murders, and their 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.680 new show Cults. Let's check it out. Manson wasn't a 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.120 serial killer. He didn't stab or strangle his victims like 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.400 John Wayne Gacy. He was a cult leader charismatic enough 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.280 to manipulate his followers into committing murder on his behalf. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.960 And it's Manson's role as a cult leader and his 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.960 ability to commit murder by proxy that makes him so memorable. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.160 Joining me now, Max Cutler, co founder and president of Podcast, 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.640 the Creepiest of podcast companies. I don't know if creepy 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.360 is the right word, but but you do have a 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:05.160 specific genre that that you focus on, uh a podcast? Yes, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:06.919 we do well, Thanks man for having me. We definitely 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.039 are focused on true crime right now. Um, we're very 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.720 much enjoying the true crime wave and capitalizing on it. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.479 I think it's safe to say, so, why do you 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.000 think folks are so passionate and into true crime stories 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.000 right now? Well, I think there's a lot of reasons 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.840 right now. Um. Specifically one kind of our whole entire 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.320 as a country, United States, the environment we're in. There's 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.120 a lot of distrust going on, what is really happening? 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.080 Do we really know what is really happening? In many cases? Um, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.360 So I think we're really tapping into that. I think also, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.360 quite frankly, true crime kind of caters to our most 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.280 powerful emotion, which is um fear. Um. I think that 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.640 could we be a victim of true crime? Are we 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.800 trying to figure out what causes people to commit crimes? 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.720 Is a very interesting and strong motivation for our listeners, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.200 I know, and the kind of psychology behind it. Um. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.680 I also think, you know, looking at it really closely, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.400 it's it's kind of like a puzzle piece. I'm trying 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.800 to understand what makes someone do that, what makes them tick. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.840 In our case, we have a show called serial Killers. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.840 We're we're looking to the psychology of what molded a 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.519 serial killer. And every day, you know, we get tons 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.440 of emails about people just trying to understand what makes 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.280 a person commit such horrible crimes. And I think there's 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.480 there's really kind of a you know, searching for the 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.760 information that we find very interesting. Do you have a 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:28.120 favorite serial killer? Um? You know, I I do not 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.519 have a favorite serial killer. UM. I do find a 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.440 lot of them extremely fascinating. From a story standpoint, I 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.760 think that you know, looking at it, obviously, Ted Bunny 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.040 is a huge serial killer. Everyone you know probably familiar 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.680 with Ted Bunny by name. Um, and just kind of 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.200 under you know, from a psychology standpoint, just understanding Ted 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.840 Bunny from someone that's able to really interact with people 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.239 and act really normal and then and then be able 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.240 to flip a switch it turned off to become this 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.800 horrible monster. Is it's really a fascinating case study. And 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.519 that that case, you know, he's always fascinating me. Mind's 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:02.080 gayzy just because I hate clar so I put John 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.640 Wayne up there, but in general, so you know, one 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.040 of the things I think that it makes your podcast 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.440 stand out, and I think for a lot of the 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.880 podcast that do well. And something I preach to my 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.560 students who I teach at a university is that high 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.600 quality production will always win and and and that is 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.480 something that you your company in particular Partcast really takes 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.200 great pride because your your productions are just so well done. Um. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.359 Talk about the time and effort that goes into an 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.799 episode for one of your podcasts, because there's a lot 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.040 of elements going on in there. Yeah, well, I mean, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.880 first off, production value is the king. That's the most 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.080 important thing here at podcasts, and we spend a lot 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.240 of time making sure we get it as right as possible. Um. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.800 For us, it's our number one differential statement. Quite frankly, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.760 there's over four thousand podcasts out there, not not all 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.080 are active, but most of them do not put enough 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.560 time or effort into production value, and that's something we 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.440 take extremely seriously. Um. Depending on the show, we can 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.000 spend up to thirty to forty hours on im producing 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.200 a show. Uh an episode, Um, you know, Unsolved Murders, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.400 which is another show of ours, is a almost a 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.680 modern take on old time radio where we have tons 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.280 of voice actors, sound effects, multiple beds. Um. You know, 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.200 our sound design and engineer is, in my opinion, the 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.320 best in the business. And he, of course he's sitting 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.840 right here, um he uh, he doesn't a phenomenal job 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.000 at really piecing together each episode and telling the story. Um, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.320 because for us that podcast, the most important thing is 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.239 storytelling and there's many ways to do that and bringing 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.520 these stories to life. And so I mean besides from 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.480 writing each script up going into sound effects, layering everything. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.520 It's it's a very complex process, but when we take 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.159 very seriously. You know, one theme I get back to 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.680 with the couple of the guests we've had on is 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.840 is and you just said it is that that old 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.520 time radio feel, you know, back when radio was radio drama. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.640 And I love that. That's where podcasting is taking radio. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.960 For me, I left, you know, when I left radio 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.080 to get in podcasting was because I felt radio was 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.760 getting away from kind of you know, a lot of 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.000 the entertainment value that we to have on it and more. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.719 Just hey, talk for twenty seconds, Um, so I want 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.760 it talked about your influence, how radio has influenced you 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.680 and and your dad who has it was kind of 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.400 he is legendary in the radio business. Um, so you've 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.839 been around a long time. Yeah, no, it's uh, it's 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.880 been a huge impact on my life. Um. Growing up 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.680 in a radio household has probably why I started a podcast. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.520 And the first thing I did when I wanted to 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.960 start podcast was get my dad out of retirement to 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.040 be a consultant and co founder here with me, and 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.680 he's you know, it's for me. I think it's weird 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.440 to say it's great working with your dad, because so 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.480 many people have horrible experiences, But for me, it's the 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.160 best thing that I you know, that I'm able to do. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.440 He UM. For the people don't know, my dad was 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.520 in radio for most of his life. He started off 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.800 as a disc jockey and then ended up UM becoming 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.960 a very you know, lucky to create many top radio 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.240 shows that he produced, as well as Color Productions and 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.280 Color Commy Networks, UM. And so having that background, there's 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.080 there's definitely something growing up in a household where creativity 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.440 is king, and living in radio and audio is just inspiring. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.599 And I think that both of us agreed when we 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.200 you know, when we started this about eighteen months ago, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.000 now that unfortunately Radio UM and it's mixed feelings for us, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.800 Radio is kind of going downhill in many ways on 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.520 the content side, and we really wanted to bring it 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.680 back to a great storytelling, great narrative podcast and we 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.440 think we've we've done that in the content. Um. But yeah, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.320 it's had a profound impact on me and everything we 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.360 do here. It's part of my job is I work 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.000 as a digital program director in San Francisco, and our 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.559 jocks have been retraining themselves and learning podcasting and getting 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.800 back to that storytelling and they're really embracing it. And 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.960 I see us as a radio company and I heart 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.200 we're producing some really good podcast content. But you know, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.920 some of the older radio folks still kind of kick 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.920 and scream and they don't understand it. They don't want 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.919 to be a part of it. How was that transition 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.640 for your dad when you talk to him about podcasting? 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.360 Was he embracing it right away or or was he 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.720 one of the a little bit of a hold out 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.600 at all. Well, I think for my dad there's mixed emotions. One, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.920 he embraced it right away because he saw the potential. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.520 He saw that the need for quite family to connect 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.599 with an audience that was not happening up in radio 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.039 any anymore. So he loved that aspect of it. But 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.039 of course he grew up in radio. Radio is a 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.960 huge part of his life. Um, And so for him, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.000 I know it's mixed emotions that he feels that radio 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.960 has really gone downhill in the quality of it. Um, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.200 and he wishes it was, you know, still there because 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.360 it really did have a huge impact on his life. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.560 But now in the podcast space, it's a huge potential. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.600 It is the future. UM, you know, I know, it's 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.520 a fact. He talked two people in radio. They're they're 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.320 starting to embrace the podcasting spaces you just mentioned, and 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.000 those that aren't embracing the podcast space will start embracing 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.560 the podcast space. Um. The numbers are just there. I mean, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.760 the last year alone, we grew I know, we have 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.880 sixties seven million monthly listeners. We have, you know, revenue 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.400 increased by five percent over year over a year, which 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.240 is the most crucial thing for radio. Um. Obviously we're 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.520 still nowhere near where radio is on the advertising dollar side. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.120 But with that being said, I mean, podcasting is the future. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.040 I mean, if you look at it from a just 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.760 a granular perspective, audio is really the last media that 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.760 hasn't gone on demand televisions on a man, films on 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.160 too many of the Netflix is of the world, Amazon's, 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.080 et cetera. Audio really hasn't and in many ways, podcasting 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.400 is that. And as you have more and more companies, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.400 whether it be obviously Apple podcast now is really starting 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.920 to gear up and take it more seriously. Um, Tune 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.120 in Radio is taking it seriously. Stitcher, where I know 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.040 you're very familiar with, is taking it seriously. So it's 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.840 very interesting. Um. And of course our hearts taking it seriously, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.119 which is which is great news. UM. So we'll see, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.840 you know, what happens in the future. But you know, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.200 in all honesty, you need to start embracing the podcast 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.440 space because it is going to be the future in radio. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.920 We tend to deal with stalkers, fans, people to get 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.440 a little too obsessed with our with our programs and ourselves. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.080 I know I've had a few with the kind of 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.840 podcast that you do. Are there any folks that you 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.280 know that are that you have to you know, deal 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.280 with on this. Are there people that want to correct 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.320 you and tell you different things or give you theories? 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.760 How is that interaction? Yeah, of course, um there. You know, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.240 it varies on the show in terms of how much interaction, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.240 but every show has interaction and we love it. It's 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.959 a you know, the great thing about podcasting is it's 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.720 really a conversation. It's not us telling them and we 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.959 want them to be involved with our programming. It shows 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.640 that they really care and they listen, and so we 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.680 have people every day emailing us, whether about a theory, 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.840 if it's an unsolved murder episode, maybe who did it? 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.520 Who done it? You know, it is very common for us. UM. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.840 We just launched a new show called Cults, and that 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.960 show has done amazing for us, and UM the feedback 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.880 has been so positive and people trying to understand and 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.400 have their own theories of maybe why you know, Charles 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.080 Manson was the way he was for example. UM. We also, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.880 of course get criticism from time to time. UM, maybe 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.880 a host spoke to quickly, maybe they thought that, um, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.200 we could have presented the information a different way, et cetera. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.360 But these are all great conversations and it just shows 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.400 again how engaged the podcast community is. Just like radio 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.680 quite frankly, when you have a great, great disc jockey. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.320 So it's very similar in that regard. But I do think, 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.640 you know, podcasting in general is a very intimate experience UM, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.920 and our listeners, I know, developer relationship with our hosts. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.960 We want them to develop a relationship with our host 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.440 because at the end of the day if they feel 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.240 like they know the host, they feel like they know um, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.160 they interact that much strongly and build up so much 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.400 more of a connection that content. I want to talk 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.360 about the new podcast Cults, which you can find on 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.440 I Heart Radio. Why Cults? Why did you get into that? 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.720 I'll be honest, I got super into the Manson series 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.160 and I just think that it's it's It's to me 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.840 always say good podcast is like reading a book, and 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.040 I'm just I'm in it. So I'm really into the 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.319 new Cults podcast. Why did you guys choose that? Thank you? Yeah, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.520 this was something that I want to do for a while. Um, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.200 I felt that, you know, we've been really heavily in 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.360 true crime, but we need to slowly kind of embrace 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.920 where true crime is going. And I think this is 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.920 the next logical step. I think if you just talk 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.840 to somebody and mentioned Charles Manson, the Family or any coal, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.559 it's amazing how they just perk up and get excited 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.560 to talk about it, Like what makes them join the colt? 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.680 How did they get mind washed? And for us, that 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.720 was really what we wanted to answer, is the psychological 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.319 how does somebody in the case of Charles Manson, for example, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.400 manipulate all these people to create murder by proxy in 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.720 his situation, but just to join a cult. And you know, 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:09.240 for him, he wasn't a very um popular person growing up. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.920 He had to you know, and he yet he was 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.959 able to control all these people. And it's a very 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.760 interesting study. And also of course for us, it does 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.720 have the true crime element to it, which is important 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.120 to keep our brand identity there, but it also is 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.160 kind of logically getting us a little away from from 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.440 the traditional true crime which we want to do. You know, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.240 we never want to chase the next year. That was 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.199 something we're never going to do a podcast, and that 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.520 something we never will do. Um. We want to present 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.839 content in a different way, more of a storytelling and 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.920 entertaining way, an informative way, and I think, you know, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.240 Colts is apparently really really really accomplishing that right now. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.959 And the timing is also really good as far as 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.680 American hor Story to win cults as well. So between 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.800 American horse Story and your podcast, I've already got some 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.520 folks lined up to join my cult and hopefully maybe 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.719 in a couple of years will be to want to 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.400 show about me. That's great. I hope. So they're they're 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.400 called a podcast producers. My producers looking at me side 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.320 died right now. No, that's not gonna work. Um, this 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.960 might be a question, you know, for you or you know, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.640 maybe if you've talked to any of your producers while 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.959 they're doing these shows. You know, Stephen King once I 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.560 read an article about when he was writing the book 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.000 The Shining he would be in the middle of writing 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.240 and kind of gets freaked out and stop writing and 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.360 have to like go downstairs and be around people because 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.839 he's kind of scaring himself. Um. Do you ever find yourself, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.080 you know, in the middle of you know, working on 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.080 a podcast getting creeped out and a little freaked out. Yeah, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.880 well yeahtual, it's funny being that up. So yeah, this week, 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.439 actually we have a new podcast coming out called Haunted Places. Um, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.280 and I was reading the script at nighttime and I 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.480 was the only one in the office here, and it 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.720 got to a point where I had to take a 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.040 break and just be like, Okay, this is this is 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.280 you know, this is not really happening. Um. But yeah, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.720 I think that we do have times where we um 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.640 have to take a step back from it. I don't 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.079 think we necessarily have ever gotten freak freaked out in 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.000 the studio. Could be wrong, but I know we have 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.240 very disturbing moments when um, we have to ask ourselves, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.560 quite honestly, should we be even you know how how 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.920 much we want to delve into this in the details. Um, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.920 But and and the end of the day, you know 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.000 it's um, we really haven't had any situations that we 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.480 got scared by our content. I've got a segment that 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.800 we're gonna do right now we do with every guest 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.880 that's called three Killer Questions. And again I didn't name 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.200 it special for you. It's always three Killer questions. But 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.240 I am changing the first question. Normally I would ask you, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.840 if you were a sandwich, what kind of sandwich would 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.199 you be? But instead for you for Halloween, for podcast, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.960 if you were a serial killer? Which one would you be? 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.160 What kind of serial killer would you be? What kind 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.280 of serial killer would I be? A name or a 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.240 more of it? A general A genre of serial killer, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.679 ax X guy, poisoner. I don't know. I think I 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.439 think I'd have to be more of a poison a 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.480 poison er just because you know I don't do well 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.840 with blood. To be honest, with you and so, And 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.480 also I think you can probably get away with the 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.599 crime a little it better if you're not there. But 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.840 I've never never thought about that before. Um. But yeah, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.400 definitely definitely a poison or something something a little away 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.000 from the crime scene. So don't you have to see 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:15.320 the person person? All right? Max Cutler? What technology in 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.160 your life? Did you stop and go? This changed my life? 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:25.320 The first one? Oh n'ten sixty four? That was easy though, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.120 without question, I'll never forget that happened. Yeah, I can 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.600 always tell the age of who I'm interviewing with that 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.840 question because depending on the technology that they pick out. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.360 And the last question is what's the last podcast that 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.960 you binged? Oh s Town. I loved that podcast. It's 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.240 just reminding me I'm from West Virginia. Self was like, yeah, 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.120 I know that guy. Yeah, yeah, that's it's a phenomenal. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.160 They did a phenomenal job with that podcast. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.920 they It's it when you hear podcasts like that, it's 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.960 it's inspiring. Um and uh yeah, it's really I'm glad. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.600 I'm glad that you liked that one too. You can 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.400 learn so much from them. Quite honestly, we learned a 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.000 lot from them. Um, it's it's great. It's just phenomenal 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.480 from both the storytelling element just from a production call. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.600 It's just absolutely phenomenal. I do branded content podcasts and 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.720 I I'm pretty much just hawk things that Gimblet have 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.120 done because I like all this stuff. Gimblet does so 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.080 much with us a great job, and they obviously have 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.280 a great branded branded for branded UH firm over there 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.920 as well that they're doing some really great stuff. Well, Max, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.440 this has been fun. Um, you can can you can 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.240 check out all the shows at podcast Network, but you 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.000 can also find them all on the I Heart Radio app, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.280 including the new one Cults, So go check that out. Uh, Max, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.640 thank you so much for coming on. And anyone who 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:44.320 works with Max, watch what you're eating might be sliding 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.360 something in there today. That's great. Thank you Matt for 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:53.440 having so a little behind the scenes there with Max Cutler. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.640 You know, I just thought of the see I should 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.320 have asked him what was the scary story that made 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.440 him scared when he was you know, sit get scared 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.360 in his office. But we'll hear it probably in their 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.040 new podcast Haunted Places. Oh my gosh, look at that 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.520 you're learning. Look at her look at the radio plug 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.480 going all right, Z is in the studio. That means 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.880 we are going to find out about three podcasts that 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.920 you can listen to right now that are in the 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.760 true crime genres that we're looking at this week. Alright, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.320 so hit me up. What do you got this week? 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.120 First one is Sword and Scale. My roommate actually told 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.560 me about this one, and it's really cool. It's very like. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.600 They cover the dark underworld of crime, murders, abductions, bizarre 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.040 crimes and stuff like that. I like it because they 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.920 have interviews with the victims and even the perpetrators. It's 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.160 like nine one one calls really interesting. Oh, let's listen. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.680 That is why when a mother's love is not present, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:55.720 the results can be disastrous. Take for example, a man 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:00.600 by the name of Ed. Her mother was sick, angry, hungry, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:06.119 and very sad woman. I hated her, but I wanted 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.960 to love my mother. That sounds very well produced. Yeah, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.359 I like well produced stuff. Thank you. I don't know 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.080 about that one at all. Um, gosh, Okay, that's added 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.359 to the list the five list of podcasts I must 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.040 listen to. All right, what else you got? The next 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:28.119 one is true Crime slash comedy, it's my Favorite murder. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.960 It's two girls named Karen and Georgia and their two 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.640 friends and they talk about their favorite murderer from John Bennett. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.480 It's so funny, but they do it really respectfully and 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.479 it's really well researched. They know what they're talking about. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.720 And UM, I really like it because they always end 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.000 their show would stay sexy and don't get murdered. Super funny. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.960 This is a podcast that's getting a lot of buzz 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.320 that again, due to my schedule, haven't had time to 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.080 listen to. So let's check out a little bit right now. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.240 We do not condone math on this part, not no way. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.600 We don't condone murder either, even for our own entertainment. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.080 Were against it. Do you want to discuss it though? 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.879 We do. Um, but if you guys murder someone and 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.080 like you blame it on my favorite murder, we will 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.600 not talk about it. Let's just agree that right now. Yeah, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.560 you won't get famous on that. No, we will not 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.800 talk about it. That's good. We should have said that 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.800 at the beginning. You know what I think about that 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.400 podcast is that if I asked them the question if 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.520 you were serial killer, who would you be, they would 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.560 have an answer right away. They probably have a list 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.920 of them. How about you let me ask you that question, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.640 if you were a serial killer, what kind of serial 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.320 killer would you be? I I mean, I want to 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.880 say poison. Isn't that like? Isn't that like? Ladies answer, Well, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.119 that was max answer. But I think that's a yeah. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.119 I mean, I think people were scared to let me 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.320 to kind of embrace that. Okay, you know, in a 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.840 world where there are no you know, no repercussions and 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:58.639 you know, and I know you don't really want to 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.399 be one. No, I mean, no, no know. But I 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.480 think I like the Dexter method. He's super methodical. He 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.960 drains the blood and he's very scientific about it. I'd 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.200 like to think that I would be super clean. And 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:15.680 I think that's see, that's a real answer. I like that. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.119 Al Right, next one, let's yeah, let's talk about the 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.280 next one. I think you're gonna be familiar with this. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:27.719 Um it's called Criminal. I love this podcast. I love Phoebe. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.440 I love I can listen to Phoebe for a long 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.720 long periods of time. In fact, I recommended this podcast 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.520