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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tony Peterson. In today's episode is all

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Speaker 1: about the image of hunting from hunting media versus the

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Speaker 1: actual reality of it. Now, I've never had a job

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Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry quite like this one at Meat Eater.

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Speaker 1: I've never been so off leash with any company, And

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Speaker 1: while it probably will get me fired at some point,

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Speaker 1: it also allows me to speak my mind in a

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Speaker 1: way that isn't quite as curated as some of the

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Speaker 1: other platforms I've worked for. This is cool, but it

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Speaker 1: also makes me hyper aware of the hunting industry and

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Speaker 1: how it's presented to the audience. And it also reminds

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Speaker 1: me of why I don't know a little peek behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain can be good for all involved. And if

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Speaker 1: that seems evasive or weird, bear with me, because it'll

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Speaker 1: make sense eventually, or at least I hope it will

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Speaker 1: by the time I get to the end of this episode.

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Speaker 1: My first lesson that the hunting industry is not what

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Speaker 1: it seems. Happened not long after I got an offer

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Speaker 1: to be the associate editor for Peterson's Bow Hunting magazine

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Speaker 1: for a guy who was piecing together a weird living,

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Speaker 1: selling wine, pushing fishing tackle at Cabela's, and working for

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Speaker 1: a financial company. It was a dream come true, and

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Speaker 1: I mean that it really was. And one of my

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Speaker 1: duties is the associate editor of that pub was to

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Speaker 1: buy images for articles. This meant that I had to

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Speaker 1: source out specific images like I don't know, I would

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Speaker 1: nosing the butt of a dough in a swampy looking

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Speaker 1: setting down south. I had to fit it with the

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Speaker 1: content of the articles. And so I thought that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a difficult task. Because those were pretty specific asks.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take me long to realize that what I

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Speaker 1: thought the outdoor photography market was was vastly different from

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Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, and I mean it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not shipping on wildlife photographers here. Some of them

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Speaker 1: hell out of them. In fact, some of them are

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Speaker 1: the most nature knowledgeable folks I've ever met. And that's

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Speaker 1: the truth. But that market demands big bucks and big

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Speaker 1: bowls and perfectly instruct turkeys and you name it. You

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Speaker 1: at least well, I'll say that specifically in the white

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Speaker 1: name and reputation on not photographing captive animals, it's just

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Speaker 1: the way things are now. This distinction is interesting and

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Speaker 1: say they only hunt free range animals. We all have

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Speaker 1: That photographer I mentioned, for example, he's got a crab

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Speaker 1: That was nothing compared to what I learned about the

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Speaker 1: to be fair, that's not necessarily a bad thing in

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Speaker 1: the industry may very well work in I don't know, insurance,

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Speaker 1: in some way that boils down to peer acquisition of

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Speaker 1: the Benjamin's. In that way, we are often blind to

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Speaker 1: our own greed while lamenting the horrors of others and

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Speaker 1: their similar desires. But I get it. Hunting is different.

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Speaker 1: It's a passion for most of us, and that falls

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Speaker 1: into a weird space beyond just a career, just a business,

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Speaker 1: it was a career that demanded some concessions to be made.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make money, and you've got to feed the machine.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise the jobs don't exist. That's a simple one. But

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Speaker 1: if you will, the slight of hand, the thing that

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Speaker 1: we all actually do. But it's different if someone does

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Speaker 1: obligatory quote comparison is the thief of joy. This is

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Speaker 1: often attributed to Teddy Roosevelt, but it's actually more likely

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Speaker 1: stands and it's still relevant. However, it's just a bad

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Speaker 1: sliver the story. You might, for example, see one of

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Speaker 1: result of a lot of hard work, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: Apparently they had the bucks so dialed that they hung

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Speaker 1: but ha ha ha, I will anyway that the guided

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Speaker 1: for the most part, outfit are serving amazing purpose and

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Speaker 1: can be a conduit to unique outdoor experiences. That's important

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Speaker 1: industry for obvious reasons. If you need to get something

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Speaker 1: top of them. Hell, they'll even cook your meals and

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Speaker 1: gut your kill. That sounds about like most of your

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Speaker 1: bugs me about it is if someone is disingenuous about

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Speaker 1: representing those opportunities when that type of hunt has passed

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Speaker 1: off as a real struggle. Always feel my bullshit meter redlining.

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Speaker 1: Maybe for mountain goats, but for why tales come on.

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Speaker 1: The hardest guided white tail hunt is easier than a

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Speaker 1: single shopping trip with my wife. Probably. And before you

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Speaker 1: think that I'm just a bitter loser who is still

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Speaker 1: writing squirrel hunting articles while my competition is off yacht

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Speaker 1: shopping in Barbados, I'll let you in on a secret.

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Speaker 1: I do this stuff too, Maybe not to the extent

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Speaker 1: of some of the other folks, but it is inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you an example on this. When I

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Speaker 1: that it was going to help me make money, plain

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