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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. We roll through

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Speaker 2: the biggest stories across the land. Bill O'Reilly will join

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Speaker 2: us in the next hour. We'll see if he stays

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Speaker 2: committed to his idea that Joe Biden is not going

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Speaker 2: to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. He has

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Speaker 2: made that argument, he continues to make that argument. We

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Speaker 2: talked about it earlier this week that we would ask

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Speaker 2: him to come on and get his logic, so that

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Speaker 2: should be a fun conversation. Also, we've got updates potentially

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Speaker 2: on the Trump Department of Justice investigation that we will

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Speaker 2: get into. Both Buck and myself believe that Trump will

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Speaker 2: get charged by Joe Biden's Department of Justice because they

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Speaker 2: want to have him in front of courts, not only

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Speaker 2: in New York City, not only Atlanta, where it looks

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Speaker 2: like charges are going to come down, most likely sometime

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Speaker 2: in early August. But I think there's a decent chance

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Speaker 2: in the next sixty days we will get the Jack

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Speaker 2: Smith Independent Counsel report, and that will lead to I

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Speaker 2: believe charges being filed against Trump. We will discuss the

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Speaker 2: latest as it pertains to that, but the person who

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Speaker 2: should be charged with crimes certainly Hunter Biden. And they

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Speaker 2: tried to sort of keep Joe Biden from being directly

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Speaker 2: implicated in the massive million dollar, multimillion dollar pay days

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Speaker 2: that have surrounded the Biden crime family, and most of

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Speaker 2: the time in the media buck there isn't really a

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Speaker 2: discussion about just how corrupt Joe Biden is. But there

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Speaker 2: was finally. We don't get Biden himself in front of

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Speaker 2: the press very often, so it's hard to have questions

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Speaker 2: asked of him. Unfortunately, they hide him in the White

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Speaker 2: House as they have for most of the last two

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Speaker 2: plus years. John Kirby, however, was asked about this when

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Speaker 2: a reporter claimed, what is true that the majority of

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Speaker 2: Americans believe Joe Biden is corrupt? This is factually accurate.

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Speaker 2: Now listen to cut six.

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Speaker 3: There's one committee trying to get an FBI final alleging

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Speaker 3: that President Biden took bribes. There's another i RS blower

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Speaker 3: middle of this, there was a Hardvard Harishole this month

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Speaker 3: that found that fifty three percent of the public, including

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Speaker 3: a pourt the Democrats, believe, quote, Joe Biden was involved

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Speaker 3: with his son in an illegal influence pedaling scheme. There's

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Speaker 3: of course evidence that the President interacted with this relatives

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Speaker 3: associates from China, Mexico, Kazakstan, Russia, and Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So what do you say to.

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Speaker 3: The majority of the Americans who believe that the president

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Speaker 3: is himself corrupt?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Yes, President, the president.

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Speaker 5: The President has spoken to this.

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Speaker 3: The President has spoken to this and there's nothing to

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Speaker 3: these claims.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's not true. And certainly the president really has

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Speaker 2: an addressed him in great detail. That's a fabulous question.

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Speaker 2: Buck Good and Joseph we ripped media a lot. That

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Speaker 2: was a pretty well crafted and delivered question. It was

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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 5: And the President has spoken to it in the sense

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Speaker 5: that a few times he has made claims, meaning Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden has made claims that are demonstrably false. He claimed

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Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty election cycle to know nothing of

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Speaker 5: Hunter's business dealings. We know from the laptop and from

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Speaker 5: further information that's come to light that, Yeah, Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: was certainly aware that hunter Biden was doing stuff. Maybe

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Speaker 5: he didn't know every detail, but I don't think Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden knows every detail of anything that's going on in

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Speaker 5: his own life, and hasn't for a while. I think

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Speaker 5: that one of the things you're seeing unfold right now

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Speaker 5: and Representative Comer with Chrisopher Ray over at the FBI.

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Speaker 5: This is where you have this FD ten twenty three document.

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Speaker 5: Now I wasn't on the FBI side, obviously, so I

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Speaker 5: don't know all the different h letterings in the way

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Speaker 5: that that they collid information over the FBI. But from

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Speaker 5: the descriptions, it's effectively a raw intelligence report. That's what

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Speaker 5: we'd call it. Confidential human source, raw intelligence report. It's

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Speaker 5: all the same same basic thing. Someone's telling you stuff

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Speaker 5: happens in background check investigation. Someone will say something about

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Speaker 5: federal investigator, and they'll write it down, but it doesn't

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Speaker 5: mean it's necessarily true. What's interesting is why don't the

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Speaker 5: Oversight Committee about somebody who says that Joe Biden was

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Speaker 5: in an illegal bribery scheme. If it's ridiculous, okay, what's

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Speaker 5: the problem. Then if it's dumb, it's dumb, well why

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Speaker 5: one of the challenges that they may have with this

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Speaker 5: clay is they started as special Council investigation of I mean,

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Speaker 5: they started first an FBI investigation, then a Special Council

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Speaker 5: investigation because George Papadopoulos shared a rumor that he had

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Speaker 5: heard at a bar in London, right, and then all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden they spin it all the way up

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Speaker 5: the top of the intelligence community. Meanwhile, Christopher Ray, the

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Speaker 5: says there's an illegal influence pedaling scheme, bribery scheme with

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Speaker 5: to protect this confidential human source. It's not classified. I

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Speaker 5: I think one of the things that it raises is

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Speaker 5: did they follow up, Clay, do they even want to

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Speaker 5: know if it's true? Over at the FBI, because I

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Speaker 5: think we all know the answer. We see what's going

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Speaker 5: on with Hunter Biden. How is it possible that you

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Speaker 5: get paid millions of dollars, you don't pay taxes on it,

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Speaker 5: you don't get prosecuted. You're a Hunter Biden. That's how

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Speaker 5: it's possible.

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Speaker 2: And Buck, what I would also say, we talked about

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Speaker 2: this some yesterday. I think this all the Biden crime family. Still,

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Speaker 2: you have to go back to Biden thinking his political

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Speaker 2: he thought his political career was over and that there

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Speaker 2: When Barack Obama said, you're not the choice, it's Hillary

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Speaker 2: old man, you're out. And again it's worth repeating, Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama never endorsed Joe Biden until he was actually the nominee,

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Speaker 2: which probably gives you a pretty good sense what Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama thought of Joe Biden after spending eight years with

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Speaker 2: him as the vice president. But Buck, I think Biden

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Speaker 2: looked around and said, well, my political career's over, Let's

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Speaker 2: make as much money now as we can even if

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Speaker 2: it's shady, and we don't have to worry about it

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Speaker 2: Because he never anticipated, I don't think that the twenty

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Speaker 2: it was just like, let's get rich. Everybody, bring in

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Speaker 5: It's actually not a bad calculation at the time from

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's perspective. Politically, he had Hillary running, that she

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Speaker 5: Hillary or whomever the Republican is is going to get

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Speaker 6: And he knew he was.

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Speaker 5: Already too old to be running in the first place.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, he figured it was cash out time. Didn't

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Speaker 5: realize that fate would Well, we all know what happened

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Speaker 5: I thought this is why I would say no one

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Speaker 5: happen in any of these things. That's why you just

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Speaker 5: when you have it. I thought Joe Biden when he

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, twenty twenty, I was like, this is a joke.

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Speaker 5: No serious, this person is going to vote for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: Well maybe they're not serious people, but some people voted

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately they did it. Remember in Iowa and New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden came in fifth in both of

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Speaker 2: go look at Iowa New Hampshire and what it means

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Speaker 2: to South Carolina and James Clyburn said, this guy is

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Speaker 2: He won South Carolina comfortably. He went out to Nevada,

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Speaker 2: I think, and did pretty well, and then just I mean,

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Speaker 2: Kamala didn't even make it. This is why it's so

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Speaker 2: funny when they constantly trot out, Oh, the reason Kamala's

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Speaker 2: approval ratings are low is because people are racist and sexist,

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Speaker 5: Look, part of the primary, Republican or Democrat, is we've

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Speaker 5: And it's also convincing people to come along with them, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Rational thing in my mind to believe that Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: and sure, I'm talking about when it was the Democrat primery,

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Speaker 5: to construct, to construct a narrative, to be opportunistic, to

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Speaker 2: And remember Buck, Democrats picked Joe Biden because they thought

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Speaker 2: he was the most likely to win an election, and

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Speaker 2: then they got an unbelievably good fortune in terms of

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Speaker 2: the entire twenty twenty primary and then on into the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty general election, I don't think there's any way

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Speaker 2: he would have won, Buck, because I think people would

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Speaker 2: have seen the cognitive collapse that we see on a

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Speaker 2: Absent COVID, they would not have been able to hide

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden in twenty twenty was the closest thing that

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Speaker 2: I want to start with I think you're with both

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Speaker 7: You know, I think the one thing that the government,

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Speaker 7: If he gets convicted, I think people will say, no,

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Speaker 7: one's above the law, and you know, they'll argue that

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Speaker 7: he ought to do some time, depending on what the

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Speaker 7: sentencing guidelines say, what do.

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Speaker 5: You feel like, what could what could you do? Like

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Speaker 5: for obstruction? What could you be looking at? Is it months?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well he's the first offender. It would be a

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Speaker 7: five year count. The judge probably would take into account that,

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Speaker 7: you know at that point that sensitive government secrets were involved.

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Speaker 7: The Justice Department and the Democrats would push very heavily

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Speaker 7: for some prison time, and he probably gets some So

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Speaker 7: is that is this crazy?

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Speaker 5: Because I just want to you know, for any who's listening,

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Speaker 5: who's just you know, it's just like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: is this even crazy to talk about? Or do you

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Speaker 5: think this is a is this a real thing that

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Speaker 5: you believe can happen?

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Speaker 4: Fuck?

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Speaker 7: If he asked me a year ago, is it too

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Speaker 7: crazy to talk about a guy who's running for president,

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Speaker 7: who's looking at two trials already scheduled, with a couple

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Speaker 7: of war down the pike, I would have said, you're nuts,

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Speaker 7: that that's too crazy to contemplate. Now I've changed. I

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Speaker 7: think nothing's too crazy to contemplate.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we're not so talking about it makes sense,

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Speaker 5: that's what I want to make sure.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a criminal investigation. And look, this guy is

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Speaker 7: doing everything that a prosecutor would do to bring criminal charges,

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Speaker 7: including immunizing the lawyers who provided the statement to the

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Speaker 7: grand jury, which the Justice Department doesn't just Willy Nelly

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Speaker 7: immunize people. You give someone immunity because there's somebody more

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Speaker 7: important up the chain that you want to go after.

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Speaker 7: That's the only reason they do it.

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Speaker 2: Why is this case? I got a caller question. I

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Speaker 2: sometimes I'll scan through the callers. Why is this case

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Speaker 2: in DC circuit, Given that the raid happened at mar

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Speaker 2: A Lago, that the obstruction may well have occurred at

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Speaker 2: mar A Lago, Why would this not be a Florida

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Speaker 2: court that would be hearing this as opposed to DC.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question. I'm not an expert in the procedure.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious your analysis of that.

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Speaker 7: Because the grand jury is in d C, so the

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Speaker 7: charge would be that he's obstructing the investigation and obstructing

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Speaker 7: the grand jury. In particular, the grand juris in the

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Speaker 7: District of.

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Speaker 2: Columbia because that's an advantage that that is I think significant.

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Speaker 2: Our audience understands that the Department of Justice wants this

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Speaker 2: DC circuit, right, I mean, from your perspective, if you're

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Speaker 2: a defense attorney for a Republican president, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: are we talking about in terms of the jury pool

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Speaker 2: that they would get.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. They much prefer DC to Florida.

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Speaker 7: And you've mentioned the d C circuit. They much prefer

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Speaker 7: the d C circuit than say, the Eleventh Circuit, which

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Speaker 7: is a more you know, it's a the Eleventh circuits

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Speaker 7: a better mix for Trump than the d C circuit

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Speaker 7: and Andy.

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Speaker 5: On the Atlanta prosecution is that, you know, we had

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Speaker 5: our mutual friend Bill O'Reilly on before he thinks that's

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Speaker 5: super weak, like no problem for Trump even if it's brought.

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Speaker 5: What's what's your assessment.

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Speaker 7: I don't. From what I know about the case, I'm

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Speaker 7: very suspicious of it. And I think, in particular, like,

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Speaker 7: here's a good reason why I think that this Fanny

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Speaker 7: Willis was the district attorney is likely overplaying her hand.

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Speaker 7: Apparently central to this case is the idea of the

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Speaker 7: fake electors, the notion that you know, they put together

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Speaker 7: this group of electors who were who were going to

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Speaker 7: stand as Trump electors if they were able to pull

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Speaker 7: off this idea of reversing the results of the election.

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Speaker 7: But as I understand it, with these electors, they considered

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Speaker 7: themselves not stake. They considered themselves contingent. And what they

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Speaker 7: meant by that is if and only if Trump was

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Speaker 7: able to prevail in court to get the election undone,

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Speaker 7: or if the state legislature for whatever reason invalidated the

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Speaker 7: popular vote and substituted its own to vote for Trump,

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Speaker 7: then they would stand ready to assume a legitimate position

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Speaker 7: as Trump electors, and they would have to be certified

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Speaker 7: by the state. To me, that's not fake. That's a contingency.

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Speaker 7: So you know, to the extent they're building the case

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Speaker 7: on that, I think they're building it.

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Speaker 2: On sand Andy. We've talked a lot about pardons. Last week,

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Speaker 2: we had Ron DeSantis on and I asked DeSantis, Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's presume you got elected president. Would you pardon Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump in the event there are Department of Justice federal

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Speaker 2: charges brought against you. How important do you think purely

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Speaker 2: from a president perspective, both Trump and other Republican candidates

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Speaker 2: addressing these potential charges might make sense. And also, Trump could,

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Speaker 2: if he were elected president in November, pardon himself, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe we've ever seen a situation like that.

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Speaker 2: Just from a legal perspective, the president would have the ability.

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Speaker 2: Let's say a Trump got re elected to pardon himself

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Speaker 2: as soon as he took the oath of office in January, right,

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Speaker 2: So I mean we could and this is crazy, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could have a situation where Trump is

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Speaker 2: facing time in prison and he gets sworn in in January, Andy,

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Speaker 2: and he completely pardons himself from all federal charges, right

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Speaker 2: like that could be. And then I'm laying out a

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Speaker 2: hypothetical here for you. Do you see any way that

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Speaker 2: Biden follows the Gerald Ford president as it pertained to Nixon,

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Speaker 2: and even though it's an opposing party, might decide to

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Speaker 2: pardon himself because it's politically advantageous. Just kind of analyze

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Speaker 2: the pardon situation in general for.

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Speaker 7: Us, Well, there's no limitations on the pardon power in

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Speaker 7: terms of who can be pardoned. So there's nothing in

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Speaker 7: the constitution that says the president can't pardon himself. I

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Speaker 7: know that people push back and say, there's a you know,

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Speaker 7: there's an ancient Anglo American legal doctrine that you know,

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Speaker 7: you can't be the judge in your own cause. But

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Speaker 7: I think the pushback on that is that there's nothing

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Speaker 7: in the constitution that says that with respect to the

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Speaker 7: pardon power. So the only limitations on the pardon power

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Speaker 7: is it has to be a crime that's already been committed.

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Speaker 7: That is, you can't give somebody a prospective get out

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Speaker 7: of jail free card. And it only applies to federal offenses. So,

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Speaker 7: for example, Steve Bannon is now facing trial in New

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Speaker 7: York State, in fact, from Alvin Bragg in Manhattan in September,

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Speaker 7: based on the charge that that Trump pardoned him for

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Speaker 7: because there's a New York State analog and the pardon

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Speaker 7: doesn't doesn't affect the state prosecution. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, could Trump if he got in

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Speaker 7: pardon himself. I guess he could could Biden. You know,

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Speaker 7: in theory, yes, I wouldn't expect those things to happen

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Speaker 7: if I were and if I were distant, Is there

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Speaker 7: any the candidate? The way I would try to navigate

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Speaker 7: this question, which is a which is a difficult one,

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Speaker 7: would be to simply say one of the guidelines Justice

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Speaker 7: Department follows is that somebody who you pardon has to

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Speaker 7: seek the pardon. In other words, the idea is that

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Speaker 7: the person asks for a pardon because the person's very important.

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Speaker 7: So if I were dissant, is there anyone else, I'd say,

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Speaker 7: I'd have to table that until we see what President

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Speaker 7: Trump's position is. Is he asking to apart point?

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Speaker 5: And you know, this is why it's why we put

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Speaker 5: out the Andy bat signal here that makes sense of

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Speaker 5: a whole range of these things. Before, but before we

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Speaker 5: let you go andy. Uh, just a very broadle It's

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Speaker 5: not usually the end. Usually you get a question from

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Speaker 5: Clay about baseball here, But I'm gonna throw at you

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Speaker 5: on is the is the rule of law in trouble

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Speaker 5: in a way that you haven't seen since you were

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Speaker 5: twenty three years in the Southern District as a federal prosecutor.

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Speaker 5: Do you do you feel worried about what's going on

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Speaker 5: here with the weaponization of law over politics.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think that the people don't. I think grasp

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Speaker 7: how important it is to the to the public legitimacy

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Speaker 7: of the law, that the public accepts that the law

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Speaker 7: is even handed. And if the public comes to believe

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Speaker 7: that we actually do have two tiers of justice, and

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Speaker 7: the quality of justice a person gets depends on his

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Speaker 7: or her political affiliation, then you're asking for lawlessness because

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Speaker 7: you don't have a legitimate legal system. You just have

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Speaker 7: a you know, a political hack system. And if we

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Speaker 7: lose the rule of law, we can't have a flourishing society.

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Speaker 7: So I think we make a real mistake if we

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Speaker 7: take for granted that like the rule of laws are

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Speaker 7: and will always be here, because a lot of it

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Speaker 7: I think we're very cavalier about that.

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Speaker 5: Andy McCarthy, everybody, Andy, we're going to be talking more.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for making the time for us today.

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Speaker 5: When we were just talking to this, we want to

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Speaker 5: of you earlier in the week talking about where you

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Speaker 5: It feels like the legal jeopardy is whirling around him

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Speaker 4: He's got a logistical problem. So the strategy among the

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Speaker 4: anti Trump people, and it's coordinated, is to prevent him

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Speaker 4: from running an effective campaign for president in twenty twenty four. Right,

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Speaker 4: So they're going to load him up with he's got

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Speaker 4: the New York City stuff and now that's going to

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Speaker 4: be heard in March of twenty four, right in the

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Speaker 4: middle of primary season. I do expect the Special Council

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Speaker 4: to indict him on the document thing, not on January sixth.

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Speaker 4: It's two weak, but on the document thing. So we'll

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Speaker 4: have to deal with that, and god knows what else

655
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Speaker 4: will come out. But it's a coordinating campaign to prevent

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Speaker 4: Trump from being able to campaign actively for president. That's

657
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Speaker 4: what's happening.

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Speaker 2: How does that play, Bill? So this is we agree

659
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Speaker 2: with you, not only that, by the way, we think

660
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Speaker 2: they'll be charges in Atlanta. We think they'll try to

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Speaker 2: stack him and keep him in court as much as

662
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Speaker 2: they possibly can, so they don't allow him to go

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Speaker 2: out and campaign as a typical political candidate would. We

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Speaker 2: saw a rallying around Trump effect with the New York

665
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Speaker 2: City charges, and even a lot of left leaning people

666
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Speaker 2: had to say, hey, you know what, this is really

667
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Speaker 2: kind of a bogus charge that's been brought against him

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Speaker 2: in New York City. So federal charges, Atlanta charges, does

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Speaker 2: that help him in any way win a general election?

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Speaker 2: How does the electorate, so called persuadable voters respond in

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Speaker 2: your mind, Well.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that they like this. I'm generalizing now.

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Speaker 4: I don't see the Georgia stuff as a problem for

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Speaker 4: him because his lawyers will be able to delay that.

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Speaker 4: And it's very weak. It's very very similar to the

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Speaker 4: Ukraine phone call, very similar. And if she got a

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Speaker 4: very weak case, she knows she does. If this is

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Speaker 4: Fanny whatever her name is in Fulton County, if she

679
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Speaker 4: had a strong case, you would have already brought it.

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Speaker 4: Say it's a nuisance case. They'll be able to back

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Speaker 4: that up. But federal charges again on the documents, that'll

682
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Speaker 4: be a big deal. The New York thing, it's already

683
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: a ridiculous situation, but it's annoying. He's going to have

684
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Speaker 4: to come and answer now. As far as miss waitable

685
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Speaker 4: people are concerned, it's too early to tell. So the

686
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: Maga people are with him. They're not going to bail.

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Speaker 4: Although Dessanta's if he campaigns effectively, he might be able

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Speaker 4: to peel off ten percent of the MAGA people because

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Speaker 4: the Maga people will say he's got a better chance

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Speaker 4: to beat whatever Democrat runs possible, But the persuadable people,

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Speaker 4: we won't know until the economy plays out until early

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. And that's why this debt thing, this

693
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Speaker 4: is why McCartney McCarthy did what he did. Because McCarthy

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Speaker 4: knew if the Republicans eing behind this debt ceiling deal,

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Speaker 4: that the economy would wobble big time, and that the

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Speaker 4: media would blame the Republicans and the persuadables people who

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Speaker 4: don't pay close at attention and not listening to New

698
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Speaker 4: York Show or My show, they buy it. So McCarthy

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Speaker 4: just basically playing a long game, saying, look, we'll stop

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Speaker 4: the crazy spending for two years and hopefully we'll win

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Speaker 4: across the board in twenty four and then we can

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Speaker 4: go in and slash and burn the budget. And it

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Speaker 4: was I just got off the phone with him, McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: It was a smart strategy. He did the right thing

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Speaker 4: for the country and for his party. I'm not a

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Speaker 4: party guy, but I understand why he did what he did.

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Speaker 4: But as far as Trump is concerned, Trump is formidable.

708
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Speaker 4: In times of chaos, people look to a strong man.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the columns that I wrote on

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Speaker 4: Billowilly dot com. If you go throughout history, every time

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Speaker 4: you have chaos in a country, the people look for

712
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Speaker 4: somebody who to come in and say, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: knock this down right away? Would they call it? In politics?

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Speaker 5: You're with Biden, You've said on the show before. You

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Speaker 5: still don't buy that he's going to be the eventual

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Speaker 5: Democrat running for president? Are you with that still? And

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Speaker 5: how do you see that playing out? Because we're getting

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Speaker 5: pretty deep into into the season now.

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Speaker 4: Not really. If you understand the process, so up until

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Speaker 4: the day before the convention, the Democratic convention, you can

721
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Speaker 4: have a new nominee come out of nowhere, and like

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Speaker 4: if Michelle Obama decides to run at the last minute,

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Speaker 4: they'll hand her the nomination and she don't have to

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Speaker 4: campaign or do anything. That's the way the system works.

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Speaker 4: So it's a first ballot. If there's no first ballot

726
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: and Biden's not going to campaign, he can barely get

727
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Speaker 4: out of bed. And I do stand behind my prediction

728
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Speaker 4: that he will not run, and Democrats are scrambling now

729
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Speaker 4: to find anybody to take his place. Nobody wants in

730
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Speaker 4: the run, Nobody Jill Jill does doctor. She wants him

731
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Speaker 4: to run because it's perk city for her. But the guy,

732
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Speaker 4: and believe me, this shoe is going to drop on

733
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Speaker 4: him about the Hunter Biden bribery stuff that's coming down

734
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Speaker 4: the pike, and that's going to be a much bigger

735
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Speaker 4: story than whatever Trump has to face.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I think that's fascinating. When will that happen? Bucket?

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Speaker 2: I believe that it's likely Trump's going to get hit

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Speaker 2: with federal charges in June July. Do you think there's

739
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Speaker 2: any chance that Biden would decide to pardon Trump on

740
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Speaker 2: federal charges or because I think it would be a

741
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Speaker 2: political masterstroke. I don't think his brain works well enough

742
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Speaker 2: to come up with it himself.

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Speaker 6: But he'll agrees with me because he's a brilliant man.

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Speaker 2: No chance in your.

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Speaker 4: Mind, the Democrats faithful hate Trump so much that they're

746
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Speaker 4: not going to do anything like that. I don't think you. Look,

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Speaker 4: if you read the New York Times, you will know

748
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Speaker 4: when Trump is going to you on how they're shaping

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Speaker 4: their editorials and their news coverage, which she really isn't

750
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Speaker 4: news coverage, by the way, anymore. So you might be right.

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Speaker 4: It might be uh in this that Trump gets this,

752
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Speaker 4: but that in itself isn't going to really affect the election, because,

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Speaker 4: as you both point out accurately, it's built into the

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Speaker 4: cake or whether they say baked into the muffin or

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Speaker 4: whatever Muffy baked in the case, it's already baked in.

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Speaker 4: All right, the fixes in the folks know they're out

757
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Speaker 4: to get Trump. I mean, if they put twenty percent

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Speaker 4: of the effort into looking into Hunter Biden and what

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Speaker 4: he did and how he did it, as they are

760
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Speaker 4: going through this document stuff trying to find anything, then

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Speaker 4: already there would be an indictment against Hunter Biden, and

762
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden would be in much more political trouble than

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Speaker 4: he is now.

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Speaker 5: Bill, do you want to tell everybody a little preview

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Speaker 5: of I know you've got a book out right now,

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Speaker 5: killing the Celebrities, but you got one coming out.

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Speaker 6: Can you tell us about it or are we just

768
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Speaker 6: teasing that.

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Speaker 4: It's really interesting because it ties right into it's Killing

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Speaker 4: the Witches. The Horror of Salem, Massachusetts out September twenty sixth,

771
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Speaker 4: and the first third of the book is about this

772
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Speaker 4: mass murder that the authorities in the Massachusetts Bay Column

773
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Speaker 4: he reeked upon these four people, and it's harrowing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: people have no idea. And we started to book on

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Speaker 4: the Mayflower, the voyage over and you have no blanken

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Speaker 4: idea what those people went through to get here. But

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00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: then the book takes a turn into how the witch

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Speaker 4: trials influenced our constitution. And Benjamin Franklin was right in

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Speaker 4: the middle of all this because he was so appalled

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Speaker 4: by the murders and that's what they were in Salem,

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Speaker 4: that he turned against religion. He was a Bostonian, Benjamin Franklin.

782
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: He moved to Philadelphia as an adult, all right, and

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Speaker 4: his parents were Puritans. They were the same sect that

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Speaker 4: was the witches. And Franklin, who's a genius at the

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Speaker 4: age of twelve, he would have been a great talk

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Speaker 4: radio host. Okay, he actually went to the house of

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Speaker 4: the chief witch hunter, Increase Mather, and it's an unbelievably

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Speaker 4: fascinating story about how we live today, goes back to

789
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Speaker 4: what happened in the executing of the twenty Witches. So

790
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Speaker 4: that book will be out in September.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, Bill, you're a history guy. Buck

792
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: and I are both history guys. We hear so much

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Speaker 2: about threats to democracy and history and the right and

794
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: wrong side of history, which is always so ironic because

795
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: frequently you have no idea what the right and wrong

796
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: side of history is going to be. But I will

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: say this, I feel like the historians out there, and

798
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: there's so many of them that go on MSNBC and

799
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Speaker 2: CNN and try to indict Trump for how awful he

800
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: is are wildly underplaying what an unbelievable precedent it would

801
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Speaker 2: set for the party in power to indict its chief

802
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Speaker 2: political rival and try to put him in prison in

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Speaker 2: the middle of an election year. We've never seen anything

804
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Speaker 2: like this. What do you think historically this will look like? Yeah,

805
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: because I'm curious, based on the analogy you were just

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Speaker 2: drawing there with the same witch trials.

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Speaker 4: If it was sixty ninety that hang Trump, It'd be

808
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Speaker 4: hanging from a tree because it's the same kind of mentality.

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Speaker 4: Trump's the devil, and the devil drove all of the

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Speaker 4: witch trials. But look, if you read my message of

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Speaker 4: the Day on Bill O'Reilly dot com, and you guys

812
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: should do that every morning, you'll see it's not a

813
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Speaker 4: danger to democracy that we are facing right now. That's coming.

814
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Speaker 4: But right now we're facing a collapse of the American

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Speaker 4: justice system, both criminal and civil. It is collapsing before

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Speaker 4: our eyes. And anybody who's been in Chicago or San

817
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Speaker 4: Francisco or LA or New York or Baltimore, on and

818
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: on and on, you can see it. It's there. And

819
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: that extends into the political arena. So the FBI is corrupt,

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Speaker 4: the most powerful crime agency in the world is corrupt,

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Speaker 4: openly corrupt. And I wrote killing the Mob. I know

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Speaker 4: more about the FBI than any human being in the country,

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Speaker 4: and I used to be a big fan, not anymore. So.

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Speaker 4: Once the justice system collapses, then you have to worry

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Speaker 4: about democracy collapsing, because then there is no standard of behavior,

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Speaker 4: no rights are given, no wrongs are righted, and that's

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Speaker 4: what we're looking at and I'm trying to be Paul

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Speaker 4: Revere here and say we got to stop this, and

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Speaker 4: the only way to stop it is to crush the

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Speaker 4: progressive movement. That is the only way we have to

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Speaker 4: crush them, not beat them, crush them.

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Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right, Bill O'Reilly, check them out,

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly dot com. Look forward to talking to you

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Speaker 2: again sometime soon. We'll see whether the Biden dropping out

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Speaker 2: prediction comes true, and if it does, we'll have you

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Speaker 2: on right after.

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Speaker 4: My thanks guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bill. Look and right now going on in

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Speaker 5: And forth recently with whether Twitter is really the free

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Speaker 5: speech platform free speech within the confines of the law

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Speaker 5: that many had been hoping for. Elon Musk waited on

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Speaker 5: that today said that yes, it is the case, despite

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Speaker 2: Will be shown? But I thought this was kind of.

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Speaker 5: A worthwhile point to make, Clay, because we see this

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Speaker 5: over and over again, is that the left has no

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Speaker 5: sense of humor, like nothing is allowed to be funny anymore.

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Speaker 2: That continues on.

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Speaker 5: They hate pair, they hate, for example, the Bat of

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Speaker 5: the Babylon b because it makes jokes from a conservative perspective.

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Speaker 5: Here's Elon talking about how people on the left no

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Speaker 5: sense of humor Play twenty three.

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Speaker 8: The essence of a lot of comedy is a revealed truth,

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Speaker 8: like a hidden truth that people understand intuitively or explicitly.

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Speaker 8: And there's that, there's that sort of moment of revealed

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Speaker 8: you know, kernel of truth, of of often unacknowledged truth.

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Speaker 8: And in that unacknowledged truth is the humor. If you're

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Speaker 8: you know, premised, don't a lie, you can no longer

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Speaker 8: be funny because there's no revealed truth. You know, a

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Speaker 8: lot of people on the left have no sense of humor.

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Speaker 8: They're not funny. And if if there, if there's so

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Speaker 8: many no fly zones, you know that you have to

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Speaker 8: you have to avoid all the time. Then something left

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Speaker 8: to make they have fun about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and and and misery is a close companion for

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Speaker 5: authoritarianism and viciousness.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. Authoritarians typically do not have great

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Speaker 2: senses of humor. The North Korea not the home of

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Speaker 2: a lot of great stand up these days, which is

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Speaker 2: why this is part of my new book book. I

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Speaker 2: and your party might be the butt of jokes. But

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Speaker 2: it's amazing to me the degree to which the left

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Speaker 2: I would have never believed that this is possible. But

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