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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We've been

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Speaker 1: diving into psychoanalyzing Trump, elon what happened yesterday afternoon, why

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Speaker 2: So if you.

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Speaker 1: Want to and you're just now getting into your car,

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Speaker 2: We're not going to stop in that analysis. But that

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Speaker 2: was deep dive. Hey, here's what I think is going

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Speaker 2: to go on now.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about a little bit spin it

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Speaker 1: forward and where I think we go from here, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of you weighing in. I'm going to also

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Speaker 1: share some of your emails, some of your thoughts from

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Speaker 1: many of you as well.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with me, by the way, next week

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Speaker 1: in d C. We will be in d C all

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Speaker 1: next week and I will be in DC much of

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Speaker 1: show from up there. We're going to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of Senators, a lot of representatives, a lot of members

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration in our DC studios, so that

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Speaker 1: will be coming in the near future. I said that

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Speaker 1: I thought that there were many different factors that led

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Speaker 1: fact that Trump decided not to put his buddy in

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Speaker 1: I think that AI and the fact that Trump has

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Speaker 1: Elon's big AI rival. And let me just say this,

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Speaker 1: I'm a diehard Elon guy. I am invested alongside of

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Speaker 1: Partial shareholder of Twitter, I'm a partial shareholder of the

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Speaker 1: say that I'm biased in Elon's favor, you can certainly

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Speaker 1: argue that because I've got money that I believe is

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Speaker 1: well invested with Elon. But I'm telling you what I

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Speaker 1: that sort of emanates from.

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Speaker 2: So, I think it's NASA, I think it's AI.

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Speaker 1: I think it's general frustration over the slow movement of

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Speaker 1: the government in general. Here's the other part of this,

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Speaker 1: it's the Big Beautiful Bill. Because this what precipitated, at

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Speaker 1: least publicly, the fight and let me kind of dive

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Speaker 1: in here and tell you what I think. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: the way that the government budget gets balanced really can

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Speaker 1: ways crystallize the battle between these two guys. One way

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Speaker 1: That is basic understandable economics for anybody out there that

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Speaker 1: Much of life is just basic economics. And I wish

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Speaker 1: we did a better job of teaching two things in schools.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things I wish well. History

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Speaker 1: you guys know I'm a history nerd. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of things that matter to you, economics and probability and statistics,

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Speaker 1: all of life is economics and probability in statistics. Well,

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Speaker 1: everything in your life comes down to economics and probability

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Speaker 1: in statistics. And if you don't agree with me, it's

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Speaker 1: just because you haven't realized it yet. Every single decision

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Speaker 1: there's my ted talk. You can dive into it. You

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Speaker 1: So two ways to balance a budget. One is by

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Speaker 1: spending money. Now, this is really kind of a family

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Speaker 1: dive relationship here, right, You, in your own life may

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Speaker 1: And it's gonna mean that we don't we spend more

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Speaker 1: to have a surplus. This is Art Lafer's argument. One

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Speaker 1: That is what Trump is arguing, the big beautiful bill

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Speaker 1: Trump is looking at it and saying we've got to grow.

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Speaker 2: Now. Ideally, we would cut and grow. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like I want to have both sides of this

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Speaker 1: think for the Big Beautiful Bill, I would Is it imperfect?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Do I wish it cut expenses more? Yes?

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Speaker 1: All of these things are true. I think what Elon

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the challenge incarnate with a small

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Speaker 1: email that just came in. I want to read it

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Speaker 1: from so many of you are weighing in, and let

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Speaker 1: sent to me during the commercial break. This was Donna,

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Speaker 1: your take on Musk versus Trump. I'm seventy something. Grew

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Speaker 1: up in the New York City suburbs.

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Speaker 2: Mulu Meulu.

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Speaker 1: I can never pronounce that word milliulu some words you know,

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Speaker 1: guys know I can't pronounce same area as Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's two French. They tried to say it in

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Speaker 2: my year. I can't say it.

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Speaker 1: My father was a hustler businessman, so I know the

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Speaker 1: type like Trump, bombastic salesman.

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Speaker 3: Clay, let me say that I don't know that the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you need to put up a pole

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Speaker 3: So we requested a credential for the game where Grinder

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Speaker 3: have been quite the trick for me. I believe that

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles claimed that we requested the credential too late,

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Speaker 3: you know, late whatever.

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Speaker 2: Fine, So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: I will speak to this because I've been involved in

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Speaker 1: this for a long time. OutKick is credentialed for the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You're a sports guy. Super Bowl pretty different

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Speaker 1: cult to get a credential for kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 5: Yes, let's say so.

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Speaker 1: Out Kick has been credentialed for any NFL game, any

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Speaker 1: NBA game, any NHL game, and any major conference with

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Speaker 1: big ten sec all of these different sporting events to

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Speaker 1: my knowledge. But you, I'll ask you, is are all

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Speaker 1: of those sports that I just named? For instance, would

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Speaker 1: in Alabama Auburn game in general receive a little bit

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Speaker 1: more coverage than the than any w NBA game that's

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Speaker 1: ever existed, But certainly a random w NBA game in

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Speaker 1: the regular season?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan. These are things

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Speaker 1: where there is a great deal of sports media demand

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Speaker 1: and yet we've gotten credentials. Would you agree probably a

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Speaker 1: little more popular than the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like the Deshaun Watson trade versus grind or

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Speaker 3: trade debate. But Clay, yes, I do think think you

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Speaker 3: are correct that there's a little bit more interest in

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Speaker 3: those events that you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: In general, super Bowl more people interested in it than

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Speaker 1: women's professional basketball. I know that's going to really drive

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Speaker 1: the left wingers crazy, but it is. It is the

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Speaker 1: case that super Bowl, featuring only men, at least so far,

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Speaker 1: is more popular than a basketball game featuring only women. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what do you attribute this to? Because I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you as the founder of out kick, I think that

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Speaker 1: the WNBA has decided that they will not credential OutKick

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Speaker 1: for anything. And this is a top down decision. Every

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Speaker 1: team has talked about it. They have decided they don't

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Speaker 1: like the way we're covering their league and therefore they

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Speaker 1: want credentialists. Do you buy that as a thesis? In

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Speaker 1: other words, do you think WNBA maybe they get enough

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Speaker 1: pressure from this and they change, But right now, do

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Speaker 1: you think that's their calculus?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that's one hundred percent true, and you know,

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Speaker 3: look like we're going to find out. I requested a

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Speaker 3: credential for the Atlanta Dream versus the New York Liberty.

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Speaker 3: Next week, I requested a credential for the Atlanta Dream

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Speaker 3: versus the Washington Mystics two days after that. Let's see,

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Speaker 3: let's see if they let us in, because we're we're

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Speaker 3: not going to stop asking. That's what we do at

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Speaker 3: out kick, right. We have questions, we want answers. We're

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Speaker 3: not going to stop asking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I also think this is important.

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Speaker 1: Ostensibly, the only reason for sports journalism to exist as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to games is for journalists, that is, reporters,

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Speaker 1: however you want to classify it, to go and ask athletes, coaches, owners,

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Speaker 1: anyone affiliated with teams questions about their performance in the game. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason why anyone should be credentialed to

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Speaker 1: a game, particularly in this day and age, because everybody

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Speaker 1: can sit and watch the actual game.

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Speaker 2: It used to be that.

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Speaker 1: You had to have journalists at games because you would

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Speaker 1: wake up the next morning and you wanted to get

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Speaker 1: the newspaper and otherwise you wouldn't know what happened in

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Speaker 1: the game. But now, every game streams, every game is available,

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Speaker 1: every fan knows the score of any team they care about.

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Speaker 1: The only reason why these jobs should exists is for

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Speaker 1: questions to be asked of the people involved in.

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Speaker 3: Them, right I would agree with that, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if we believe that is the presumption, then

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Speaker 1: how in the world is it possible take out kick

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Speaker 1: off the table? Because I agree with you, we would

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Speaker 1: ask Britney Griner this question, How in the world from

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Speaker 1: a media perspective, from a journalistic perspective, from a big

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Speaker 1: jay journalism role, can the New York Times, the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: the New York Times just had a big profile of

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Speaker 1: Britney Griner ironically that I read over the weekend. How

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Speaker 1: can they justify going and covering these games and not

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Speaker 1: asking Britney Griner about the megaviral clip of her in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the investigation of the Indiana fever over

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Speaker 1: inappropriate comments. I mean, it seems like the biggest, most

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Speaker 1: glistening orb in the sky. How could they possibly justify

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Speaker 1: from a journalistic perspective, not asking that question.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty easy, Clay, and we're finding out right now,

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Speaker 3: because when you ask those questions, you don't get invited back. See,

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Speaker 3: the WNBA has put this, has put this in place

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Speaker 3: where it's like, hey, you cover our league the way

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Speaker 3: we want you to cover it, or we're not giving

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Speaker 3: you a credential. I mean, look at Christine Brennan, one

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Speaker 3: of the most radical left wing, progressive liberal sports writers

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Speaker 3: on the planet, dared to ask dj A Carrington if

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Speaker 3: she poked Caitlin Clark in the eye on purpose last

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Speaker 3: year and had the WNBA Players Association calling for her

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Speaker 3: credentials to be revoked. I mean, if Christine Brennan is

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Speaker 3: not immune from the WNBA considering revoking credentials, who is immune?

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Speaker 3: The answer is no one, So Clay, I think it

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Speaker 3: comes down to a simple calculus like, hey, we want

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Speaker 3: to continue to be allowed to cover games. The WNBA

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Speaker 3: doesn't want. Look, Clay, there's no such thing as a

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Speaker 3: WNBA reporter or a WNBA journalists. People might have it

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Speaker 3: in their LinkedIn bios or on their social media profiles,

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Speaker 3: but they're not telling the truth. The WNBA has a

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Speaker 3: group of people who act as essentially a pr firm

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Speaker 3: or a cheerleader for the league, and that's all it is,

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Speaker 3: and that's all they want. The media is here to

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Speaker 3: promote our product, talk about us only in a positive light,

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Speaker 3: and it drives me insane because the players talk about, oh,

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Speaker 3: we deserve equal pay, equal coverage to the men's game,

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Speaker 3: and this and that. But they're not telling the truth either.

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Speaker 3: They don't want equal, They want equal, but special. They

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Speaker 3: want everything that comes along with the positive, which is

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Speaker 3: more money, more advertisements, all of that, but they don't

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Speaker 3: want the criticism.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you one more question here.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time dan Zach Sheesky at OutKick on

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Speaker 1: the news the WNBA is refusing to credential OutKick for

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Speaker 1: any Britney Grinder game. You've also been covering Nike. Nike

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Speaker 1: appears to have funded a study of trans miners to

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Speaker 1: see and I'm just trying to pair phrase it here,

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Speaker 1: to see what the impact of huberty related treatment, so

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Speaker 1: called gender affirming care might be on athletics. What is

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Speaker 1: going on here and what is happening such that Nike

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Speaker 1: is not in any way responding to questions that it

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Speaker 1: rose out of New York ixpose of all things relating

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Speaker 1: to gender treatments.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, well, we don't know because Nike won't tell us.

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Speaker 3: We've only received one comment from Nike that was on background.

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Speaker 3: It was from you know, quote unquote anonymous source. I

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Speaker 3: spoke to a Nike executive who did not want to

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Speaker 3: be named, and said, the study is not moving forward essentially. Now,

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Speaker 3: we don't know when that happened. We don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's The speculation, of course, is that this was made

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Speaker 3: public by our reporting and they were like, oh crap,

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Speaker 3: we got to stop doing this, and the best way

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Speaker 3: to handle it is to just not say anything. So

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Speaker 3: I actually Clay went to Boston cause I also haven't

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Speaker 3: been able to speak with the researchers. The researchers who

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Speaker 3: were doing this study, who are not affiliated with Nike,

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Speaker 3: but we're receiving money from Nike allegedly. They also were

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Speaker 3: not responding to any inquiries. I sent dozens of emails

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Speaker 3: to doctor Katherine Ackerman, the lead researcher on the study,

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Speaker 3: and couldn't get a response. So Ackerman hosts a bi

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Speaker 3: annual female athlete conference. This year it was in Boston,

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Speaker 3: so I'll kick send me up to Boston to go

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Speaker 3: find Katherine Ackerman, ask her to her face what is

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Speaker 3: going on, and she basically would not say anything. She

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Speaker 3: knew right away who I was. After she asked my name,

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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, my name is Dan. She's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I know who you are, and I know what you

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Speaker 3: want to talk about. And I was like, okay, well

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Speaker 3: do you want to talk about it? And she was like, no,

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Speaker 3: I do not. I also spoke with Joanna Harper, the

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Speaker 3: secondary researcher who you mentioned in that New York Times article.

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Speaker 3: That's who said it. Harper said it to New York

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Speaker 3: Times also told me I'm not supposed to talk about that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: not supposed to talk about it? Well, who told you

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Speaker 3: not to talk about it? I mean the obvious answer

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Speaker 3: would be Nike, but again we don't know because Nike

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Speaker 3: won't tell us. They could clear this up with one email,

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Speaker 3: one phone call, they're choosing not to, which only makes

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Speaker 3: them look more and more guilty in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for filling in and for people out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is way worse than bud Light giving

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Speaker 1: a random beer cans to a trans influencer. This, in theory,

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Speaker 1: would be Nike paying for miners to be treated to

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Speaker 1: see what the impact is in athletics, which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Dan appreciate the words. Keep us updated on WNBA propagandasts

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Speaker 1: and more anytime, please thank you. Dan does really good work.

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Speaker 1: I do think that's important. And people will say, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's sports, why does it matter. The only

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Speaker 1: reason why anyone should be credentialed to go to a

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Speaker 1: sporting event in twenty twenty five is to ask questions

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Speaker 1: of athletes and of coaches and of owners other people

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Speaker 1: affiliated with the game, because everybody knows the outcome of

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Speaker 1: the game. The WNBA doesn't have reporters, they have propagandists,

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Speaker 1: and they won't even ask Britney Griner whether she gave

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Speaker 1: a racial slur to white people on the sideline and

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Speaker 1: a megaviral clip that's been watched over ten million times

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Speaker 1: on Twitter alone. It's shameful also predictable. Look, we just

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Speaker 1: came back. I was down in Palm Beach. We met

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Speaker 1: with the IFCJ face to face and help them raise

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Speaker 1: money because the attacks on Jewish people continue to grow,

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Speaker 1: including unfortunately what just happened in Bolder this past week,

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Speaker 1: chilling attack that anti Semitism is on the march. One

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Speaker 1: of the eight people injured, eighty eight year old who

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Speaker 1: had been through the Holocaust era, to have survived something

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Speaker 1: like that and then at eighty eight years old, deal

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Speaker 1: with molotov cocktails being thrown at you and bolder. We

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Speaker 1: also know what happened in our nation's capital, Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Globalizing the end of Fada has consequences, but also you

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Speaker 1: can push back against this awfulness by supporting the IFCJ.

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Speaker 1: They build bomb shelters, fortify ambulances, They provide donations, flack jackets,

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Speaker 1: other essential items. I saw it for myself in December

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Speaker 1: when I traveled to Israel. They also feed elderly Holocaust survivors.

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Speaker 1: When you give a gift of forty five dollars to

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Speaker 1: the IFCJ, you're putting faith into action right where it's

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Speaker 1: needed most. It stands for the International Fellowship of Christians

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Speaker 1: and Jews. You can stand up to anti Semitism, show

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Speaker 1: your support at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org.

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Speaker 1: You can also call eight eight eight four eight eight

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Speaker 1: I f CJ again, IFCJ dot org or eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight four eight eight if CJ. I do think that

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Speaker 1: story is really important that we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: in terms of its cultural impact. Because if you are

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Speaker 1: going to say, which is something I agree with We're

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Speaker 1: not going to allow racism at all in any way

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Speaker 1: affiliated with our league. That's what the WNBA said, And

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Speaker 1: they lectured everyone and said, we're going to do a

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Speaker 1: deep investigation into every Indiana Fever fan that was there

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Speaker 1: to see if they said anything racist. And this has

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Speaker 1: happened recently, unfortunately for Byuve Volleyball. A Duke women's volleyball

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Speaker 1: player made up a fake racism allegation. There now a

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Speaker 1: lot of you listening in Utah are going to remember this.

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Speaker 1: Byu gets dragged through the mud, full investigation, nothing wrong,

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Speaker 1: same thing with the Indiana Fever.

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Speaker 1: investigate it at all? And if you are a member

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Speaker 2: How is that possible to occur?

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Speaker 1: It's because we have a fundamentally dishonest media, and I

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