WEBVTT - Suzi Quatro

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob West Podcast. My

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is the one and only Susie Quatro. Susie,

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<v Speaker 1>glad to have you on the podcast. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to be on you. What the last name?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what nationality is that name? You know how

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<v Speaker 1>it is? The ancestors came from the old country, They

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<v Speaker 1>hit Allis Island whatever it was, turned into something else,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a Jewish name, but the derivation even I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even sure. My grandpa came over as Rocky and

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<v Speaker 1>he emigrated at Ellis Island and they took one look

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<v Speaker 1>at his name and they said he was a little boy.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, Michael Quatro done okay, once again, pronounced the

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<v Speaker 1>name as it was before it was shortened Quatro quatroky, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just for four eyes and they just shortened it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he entered America as my Quatroll. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>family name. And my dad told me a million times

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody with the name Quatroll has got to be

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<v Speaker 1>related to us. Are there a lot of Quatrolls? No,

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<v Speaker 1>well there isn't. My family. Millions in my family, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there's no there's not that many, and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>real Susie qus But me, well, what about the song?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, there's no real Susie. Cuse okay, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you decide on the spelling, because there's different

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<v Speaker 1>ways to spell Susie. Oh God, I had a T

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<v Speaker 1>shirt made up recently and I'm going to sell him

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<v Speaker 1>on my merch side. I hadn't made up from my crew,

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<v Speaker 1>and it says six different names of Susie spelled wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>all crossed out and then at the bottom and has

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<v Speaker 1>it correct. I've been spelling. My name has been spelled

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<v Speaker 1>every which I get s u s I E s

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<v Speaker 1>u z y s u z i e as and

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<v Speaker 1>and then I get quatrill quadrille. I just decided in

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<v Speaker 1>the Pleasure Seekers, when we were all taking stage names,

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<v Speaker 1>that I would be Susie A s u z I,

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<v Speaker 1>soul a s o U. Well, because I did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of otis writing and stuff like that way back

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<v Speaker 1>when I was fourteen. I don't know how that spelling

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<v Speaker 1>came out, but it just looked right. And everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, everybody, including Mickey most, what's your real name?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it looks and sounds like a stage name, doesn't it? Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the question becomes many people changed their last name when

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<v Speaker 1>they have an ethnic or hard to pronounce uh last name. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it was the Pleasure Seekers, you were Susie Q,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was still Quadr. Do you ever think you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like Susie Smith or something else? No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact that was funny because when I got

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<v Speaker 1>to England after I was discovered and put solo by

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey most Um, we were sitting in his office when

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<v Speaker 1>I first arrived. And because I have been calling myself

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<v Speaker 1>Susie Soul always, I'm born Susan K Quadro, always Susie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said to me, a key, so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to think of I don't want to be Susie,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have to think of a good stage name.

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<v Speaker 1>What should be? And he said, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>I went, what he said, sissit Quatro was about the

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<v Speaker 1>best name I've ever heard, And I went, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>just be me. He said, yeah, just be you. That's good. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you are sitting a room with umpteen gold records and

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<v Speaker 1>platinum records. Where exactly are you right now? I am

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<v Speaker 1>in the dining Actually, I call it the bragging room. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the dining room of my fifteen century. It is

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<v Speaker 1>beat in a manor house, nine bedrooms, three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half acres um. I've been here since nineteen eighty. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually gonna be buried out there. I'm gonna be cremated

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<v Speaker 1>and are good at my ashes? Put around a four

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<v Speaker 1>bass guitar carved out of an old tree that died.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen wood carvers how they do that? So

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<v Speaker 1>four bass guitars coming out of the ground that I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I want my ashes with a planque. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been here for a long time. It's the longest

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever lived anywhere. I love this house, absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm gonna be locked down, this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be. Okay, because even though you're American, most

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<v Speaker 1>Americans really don't have a comprehension. So let's try to

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<v Speaker 1>locate it. How far from London is your house? Uh? Sixty? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And where it is is that like rural? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a town? What's there? Like? There is a town? I

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<v Speaker 1>live in between two towns. I live fifteen minutes from

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<v Speaker 1>a very good airport, which standstead. I live fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>there there you go fifteen minutes to around the county

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<v Speaker 1>town of Essex. So I'm fifteen minutes away from Chelmsford

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen minutes away from Braintree. That way, Um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a great train service into London. But I'm secluded. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what I like. I can be somewhere if I

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<v Speaker 1>want to secluded. How much property do you have? Three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half acres? And do you own the house outright?

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<v Speaker 1>I bought it out right? Wow? And I bought my

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<v Speaker 1>first house out right when I was twenty And where

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<v Speaker 1>was that house? That was about twenty minutes from here?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I married my guitar player, my ex um,

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<v Speaker 1>when we we wanted to move somewhere near one set

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<v Speaker 1>of parents. My parents are in Detroit, so we moved

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<v Speaker 1>more near his parents. That leaves near family, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but then we came out here. I found

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<v Speaker 1>this house on the cover cover a big house magazine

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<v Speaker 1>and pulled about the front there and this, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how you get a feeling this is my house? And

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<v Speaker 1>is there a wall a gate? There is two big

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<v Speaker 1>brick pillars. There's a walled garden here with flowers. There's

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<v Speaker 1>an orchard back there just beautiful with food trees and everything. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a brick pillars there too. There's three floors, nine bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>On the third floor, I have my ego room. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you have I love it. Um. You have to go

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<v Speaker 1>up two flights of stairs. The second flight is very precarious.

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<v Speaker 1>You can bang your head on the ceiling. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crooked and everything. It's it's it sounds like an analogy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the extra truth. And you finally get to

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<v Speaker 1>this big, heavy wooden door at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the house, and it says on

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<v Speaker 1>the door, I had a sign made and it says

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<v Speaker 1>Ego room. Mind your head, and you go in and

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<v Speaker 1>this is your life book. Um. Pictures everywhere, posters, jumpsuits

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<v Speaker 1>over here, bass guitars, seeds, videos. I mean absolutely every

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<v Speaker 1>inch is covered with me, everything I've done from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of my career up to the present day. And

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of go in if you want to, and

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy and you come out and then you shut

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<v Speaker 1>the door. And this is how I survive in this business.

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<v Speaker 1>You shut the door. I leave my ego up on

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<v Speaker 1>the third floor. How often do you go up there?

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<v Speaker 1>At least twenty five times at night door. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that was a good question. I don't go

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<v Speaker 1>up there much at all, actually not at all. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of times I go up to do a job if

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<v Speaker 1>i'm writing something, because I'm on my sixth book now,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I need information, And certainly when I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>my autobiography, if you had a black spot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a memory block, you can go up there. You'd find

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<v Speaker 1>the year on a tour book or a scrap book

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and you could. And I really spent the

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<v Speaker 1>light a lot of time up there then. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>every now and again, you just go up and you

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<v Speaker 1>pull out the old tapes. And when I when I

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<v Speaker 1>let people go up there, I don't see them for

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<v Speaker 1>two days. Okay. Now. Bill Wyman, famously of the Stones,

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<v Speaker 1>famously collected everything. How much of your stuff do you have? Everything? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I made it a point of getting

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<v Speaker 1>every article about me, And at first I used to

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<v Speaker 1>put him in square books and all that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that so much anymore. But I have just about

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<v Speaker 1>every article has ever been written on me. So many videotapes,

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<v Speaker 1>so many videos of every show I've ever done, all

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<v Speaker 1>the CDs, all the records, um let me see. Pictures

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<v Speaker 1>are just awards, stage passes. Everything I used to collect

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<v Speaker 1>when I was like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, all the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel room keys, and I kept him in a big

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<v Speaker 1>hues tin waste paper basket. And then I got bored

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<v Speaker 1>of that, so I went down to the local mailbox

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<v Speaker 1>and poured them all in. That was bad at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine that that that mail man when he

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<v Speaker 1>came to get because it says it says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mailer back to this address. I put them all in.

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<v Speaker 1>I got bored with that. But I've got everything, just

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<v Speaker 1>about everything. Okay, no one lives forever when you do

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<v Speaker 1>move on? What's going to happen to all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the ego room? I am hoping. I've tried to

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<v Speaker 1>set it up so it is this way that my

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<v Speaker 1>um my son will take over the house and this

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<v Speaker 1>house will be my legacy. This is what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. I kind of want my this is my graceland.

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<v Speaker 1>How else can I say? You know, I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even someday people would like to come and see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows. I wanted to continue. I don't want this house,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've put that in my will. Okay, now, many

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<v Speaker 1>people have a family, the kids move out and they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted downsize. Growing up, always wanted a big house, I

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<v Speaker 1>could have one room for everything. Never quite hit that.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's it like living with so few p ballue

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<v Speaker 1>in such a big house. Well, it was full at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, for it started off with just me and

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<v Speaker 1>my ex, and then we had two kids, and plus

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't live in nanny, so the house was full

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of stayed even after after we divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>got married a year later to somebody else. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>always needed a nanny here because I work, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my kids were little, and then we had two people

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<v Speaker 1>staying here and living here. One was a gardener and

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<v Speaker 1>moment was the nanny. And then finally they were old

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<v Speaker 1>enough that I could get rid of the nanny's and

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter moved out first. Then my son moved out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was not nice at first. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 1>was rambling around this house and I oh my I

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<v Speaker 1>hated it. Didn't even want to go to the third floors.

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<v Speaker 1>But he used to live, my son. So what I've

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<v Speaker 1>done now is I've made every rear dream, every single

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<v Speaker 1>room in this house has a of Chris every single moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Even on the third floor. I've made two of the

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<v Speaker 1>rooms into two extra bedrooms in case I have guests over.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them became my mother's room. She's been gone

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, but I I ended up by accident

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<v Speaker 1>putting a cover. She got me, putting a pillow, she

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<v Speaker 1>got me putting pictures of her, putting a big portrait

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<v Speaker 1>of my mom and dad, and everybody calls that. The

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<v Speaker 1>kids call that grandma's room, so it became her room.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I don't know how that happened. But my

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<v Speaker 1>son uses one room for his guitar repair room. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another bedroom on the third floor that my granddaughter

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<v Speaker 1>has claimed as hers. There's my ego room. The next

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<v Speaker 1>floor there's one, two, three, four more bedrooms. Only one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is used now, but I do have people

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<v Speaker 1>stay over if I have guests, you know. And then

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<v Speaker 1>down here, I've got the TV room, the laundry room,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a patio out there, got a studio in

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<v Speaker 1>the back, which is fantastic on the grounds. I got

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<v Speaker 1>my dining room here and in there. In there is

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<v Speaker 1>mys the oldest part of the house, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>I write and I can't write anywhere else, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>tried it everywhere. That's my writing room. I got my guitar,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's my main lounge and it should be

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<v Speaker 1>everything perfect. I've got all my guitars in there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my pen and my paper, my sheet music,

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<v Speaker 1>and my my white piano that's never moved since I

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<v Speaker 1>moved in. Um, that's the creative room. That room in there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of questions here. One do you are

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<v Speaker 1>you the type person who's a homebody or if you

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<v Speaker 1>go into town everybody knows you. You say, Hi, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your forgetting COVID? For a minute before that, what's your lifestyle?

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of like, UM, I made a choice in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, and it was after the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>was on television with my first number one can the

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<v Speaker 1>Can and uh. We watched it, my me and my ex,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we went out to the local public we

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<v Speaker 1>always go for a drink, and we walked in and

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<v Speaker 1>the place erupted. It's her, it's her, it's her, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I went what what we had to leave? The pub

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<v Speaker 1>never happened to me before, so I kind of thought

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<v Speaker 1>about it started to happen and happen, it happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I thought, okay, I can baseball cap ponytail, dark

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<v Speaker 1>glasses and hide, or I can just say hi. And

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<v Speaker 1>I chose hi. It must have happened eight times yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>in town, five times today. And it's it's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>because it happens the same way. Every time you're walking

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<v Speaker 1>by and sew you, somebody will go and I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>go yes, and they just because you know what they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, um so I say hello. Yes. Sure that

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<v Speaker 1>They added a little, but it got a little bit crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the post office. This has never happened before,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course you started talking and then everybody sees you,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's looking and better. It happens all that, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in a line, you know, and then people

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<v Speaker 1>and they start they start to a whisper, look whisier,

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<v Speaker 1>gout it out it out. Anyway, the lady next to

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<v Speaker 1>me here, she got very friendly. She said, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. Then she was going on and on

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<v Speaker 1>on that. She went, can I can I ask your favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought she wanted a selfie? I said sure.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, can I just play you some of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite songs from my um on my phone. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just sit and listen to her favorite songs on her

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<v Speaker 1>phone while the line was getting up to them and

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<v Speaker 1>you and you can't be rude. You know you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. She doesn't mean any harm. But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing I wanted to do, is listen to her

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<v Speaker 1>favorite song. So that's actually quite funny. Does it ever

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<v Speaker 1>get old? And are you ever upset if people don't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize you? Um? No. In fact, I made quite a

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<v Speaker 1>joke out of it. Sometimes, you know, I'll go into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do it on purpose. I'll go someplace and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ordering something from the guy and he's taking my information.

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<v Speaker 1>I went into an art shop just yesterday, brand new

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<v Speaker 1>art shop, and I said, how much is that huge?

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<v Speaker 1>What I picked out? A million and a half. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, I got good taste. Anybody. We're talking talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw that he didn't know who I was.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we're talking, I said, by the way, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very famous, and he went, you are. I said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, So this is what I do. He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your name? I said, Susy Quadro, google it. You

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<v Speaker 1>googled it. He went, Oh my god, I said, next

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<v Speaker 1>time I come in, know who I am. So I

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<v Speaker 1>I do do that a lot of times. I'll see youngsters.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you might not know me, but you should

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<v Speaker 1>sense of humor at all times. Okay, are you always on?

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, you're very on in this moment. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>who you just are? Or is it just when you

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<v Speaker 1>know the mic is on? No? No, I'm I'm I've

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<v Speaker 1>been told. In fact, the phrase used to describe me

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<v Speaker 1>by people who know me best as I am exhausting.

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<v Speaker 1>But I take that as a compliment. I Um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a glass softball girl. Um. I love conversation. That's my key.

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<v Speaker 1>I love conversation. Uh, nice glass of wine and a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a happy girl. I love to argue the toss

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<v Speaker 1>into the middle of the night. You know so, but

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<v Speaker 1>there there there is a quieter shore when nobody's around.

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<v Speaker 1>I well, my way of being quiet. If I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>watching a movie, which I love movies. I watched movies

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I'm a bit of a movie buff. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I will watch something my way of relaxing. I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>agressive ryan, I'll watch who wants to be a millionaire

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<v Speaker 1>on TV and at the same time, I'll be doing

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<v Speaker 1>online scrabble. Who are you playing with? Who have words

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<v Speaker 1>with friends? I mean? Are these always with friends? Who

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<v Speaker 1>you play with? Anonymous people? Any anybody? I'll play with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just like to win. Are you pretty

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<v Speaker 1>damn good? Pretty damn good? I'm I'm something like twelve

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<v Speaker 1>or thirteen and the big you know, and lots and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people say I'm pretty good. I have I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot of the weird words, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I love word games. Anyway, I'm one of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me the scholastic

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<v Speaker 1>word for this talent that I have. I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to look it up, maybe google it. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a word wheel and it's got one letter

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<v Speaker 1>in the center and then like cut like a pie,

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<v Speaker 1>and like eight letters around it, and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>make as many words as you can for letters and more, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and use all the and then it makes one big word.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at it and one big word is made

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<v Speaker 1>out of that. I can guess it with three or

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<v Speaker 1>four seconds, sometimes instantaneously, and I and I know there's

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<v Speaker 1>a word for that is it? I can make that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can make sense out of the chaos. I can

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<v Speaker 1>put the jumbled words together. And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>I do that or why I do. It's the way

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<v Speaker 1>my brain works. It sees the word. Is there a

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<v Speaker 1>word for that? Not that I'm aware of. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not as good with words as you are. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back to a second. You watch movies. You watch

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<v Speaker 1>movies essentially every night. Yeah, pretty much, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a routine. When I'm not on the road, of course

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<v Speaker 1>I will watch. I'm a routine girl. Okay, to your

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<v Speaker 1>two favorite movies, God, it's so boring Gone with the Wind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just never get tired of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually know the entire dialogue of that movie, every character.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband one time was sitting on the bed and

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<v Speaker 1>we were watching it just because we felt like watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't watch the movie. He looked at me

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<v Speaker 1>because I did every bit of dialogue. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>my other favorite movie, it's hard to pick two. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say probably all about Eve. Okay. And do you tend

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<v Speaker 1>to watch the movies over as obviously as the case

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<v Speaker 1>with Gone with the Wind, or are you always interested

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<v Speaker 1>in watching something new. Well, I do like to watch

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<v Speaker 1>new movies, but I'm afraid I'm a very impatient Gemini,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got to grab me. It's got to grab me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can grab me from the titles alone. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I start to watch a movie and they're casting

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<v Speaker 1>whoever they've cast in the plot does and pulled me

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<v Speaker 1>in the movies off? And yes, I do watch movies

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<v Speaker 1>I like again and again and again. I will do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quite anal um. I'll read books I like again

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<v Speaker 1>and again and again. Right now, idiot that I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked my husband to send me the complete works

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<v Speaker 1>of Friederich Nietzsche. And you want to talk about heavy reading,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back to the beginning. What inspired you to

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<v Speaker 1>want to read that. I have been writing a psychological book,

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<v Speaker 1>my sixth novel, my second novel, but my sixth book.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's all about people that meet six people that

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<v Speaker 1>meet up better psychology class. And I'm getting very much

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<v Speaker 1>into the mind. And so many books that I've read

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<v Speaker 1>people mentioned this guy as being incredible, and I always wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>what's so good about him? And I even said to

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<v Speaker 1>my husband, because he's a German philosopher, he said, Oh, Susie,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's hard going and that made me money. He

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.040
<v Speaker 1>is hard going boy. You have to really really dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was a very happy man. So

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<v Speaker 1>what have you learned that he really can talk? He

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<v Speaker 1>he I've learned that he's um. He finds a way

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<v Speaker 1>of making one sentence jumping about eighteen different areas, and

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<v Speaker 1>he finds a descript where even he finds out how

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<v Speaker 1>to He has an adjective for an adjective. If you

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<v Speaker 1>see what I mean? You know, okay, you but you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is you have to read it very

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<v Speaker 1>slowly and take it in and I'm determined. I'm determined

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. I've read Warren Peace, you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those. Have you read an k No?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the best book ever written. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on the translation unless knowing you you learned Russians to

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<v Speaker 1>read it. But I literally think, you know, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical elements. Some people skip through those. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>amazing how president and how easy it is to read.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know you're talking about doing all this reading.

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<v Speaker 1>It's well, let me go. Have you talked about psychology?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been in therapy. Um, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the jobs I wanted to do if I hadn't gone

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<v Speaker 1>into show business at fourteen. Professionally, UM, I was very

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<v Speaker 1>much interested. I'm an art chair of psychologist. I one

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<v Speaker 1>time went only one time, and it was after my divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>I was with my ex for twenty years. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic girl. You don't divorce. I had two kids, so

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<v Speaker 1>it really I wanted to go. It really messed me up.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nobody else I wanted to go. And I

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<v Speaker 1>met my future husband and we were newly married, and

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't want to visit. My old problems are

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<v Speaker 1>my old failings, my my ex husband's failings on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see what I mean? Yeah? I went to

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<v Speaker 1>see it a psychiatrist one time and I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this to me to him and I said, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>always remember it. I said to him, why didn't he

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<v Speaker 1>loved me the way I wanted him to love me?

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't want the divorce. I was the big

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<v Speaker 1>love of his life. And he looked at me and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, Susie, you went to the butchers for perfume.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have it on a shelf. Wow. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was brilliant, a brilliant way to explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>But he loved me, how he could love me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you meet and was it a romance with your

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<v Speaker 1>new husband before you got divorced or after you got divorced?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, No, I didn't. It wasn't way. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know him. Um. I was single for a year,

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<v Speaker 1>single for a year. He had booked me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew who he was, but absolutely nothing. I just just

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<v Speaker 1>my husband and I ran out of steam. He we

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<v Speaker 1>just ran out of steam. We grew apart. We're good

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<v Speaker 1>friends now to this day. But ran out of steam,

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<v Speaker 1>not for him, but for me, love him, not in

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<v Speaker 1>love anymore. But the new one booked me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he just booked me. Okay, wait, wait, a couple of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your ex husband ever get remarried? No? And I

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<v Speaker 1>find that very sad because I would have loved him

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<v Speaker 1>to have settled down to somebody else. But in all honesty,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said it, you know, he said it to

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<v Speaker 1>me before he said it to anybody who listens. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a big one and I don't think he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to play the hand again. You know, he's been with

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<v Speaker 1>people is that everybody didn't. He didn't stay with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's great. We have a great friendship.

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 1>He comes over and sits in the studio while his

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<v Speaker 1>son and I record together. Are our son, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's very very much into the process, loves watching, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>loves being part of it. Um. I'm glad that we

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<v Speaker 1>could stay close. It's important. Now your present husband is

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<v Speaker 1>a German concert promoter. Is that true? Correct? Okay? You

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<v Speaker 1>are an American transplanted to the UK. And although we

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<v Speaker 1>live more of a global village than we did, then

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<v Speaker 1>English people are different than American people. Yes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>one step beyond that is German. What's it like being

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<v Speaker 1>involved with a German guy? Oh? Well, okay, Germans Germans. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The annoying thing about German people is how correct they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and if even if they're gonna fold up a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of paper and put it into an envelope, it's done perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>And this can drive you mad. You know, German efficiency,

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<v Speaker 1>They really are efficient. I mean I one time was

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<v Speaker 1>standing in amber at a light. There was no cars

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<v Speaker 1>and I crossed, and the way they looked at me,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was gonna get shot at Sunrise because

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<v Speaker 1>I went against the rules, you know. Um, yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a it's a strange match in that way

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm very Detroit, you know, and he's very German.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's been a promoter for many years and worked

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of American acts, a lot of British acts,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know bits of it, rub Off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big shock when I came here to England.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's so different to America, but it were

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<v Speaker 1>it works somehow. I don't know the language, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>he speaks, you know, many Germans do speak English. He

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<v Speaker 1>speaks You're very American, very upfront centered whatever, you know.

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>The English tend to be more reserved, at least with

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<v Speaker 1>their feelings. Okay, what is the general personality Since you're

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<v Speaker 1>so closely involved for decades with a German, obviously their

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<v Speaker 1>language is different and they're more rigid, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>But are as the forthcoming as Americans? Are they like Americans?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they still different? Well? They they do speak their mind,

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<v Speaker 1>but they I think just by the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>way the language sounds. It's a guttable language, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when when when when your husband says to

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<v Speaker 1>you and that means I love you. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound nice, doesn't you know what I mean? It

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't work. Um No, they're very straightforward, very straightforward.

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>They tend to be more harsh with their comments. They

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>don't pretty things up kind of boom you know at

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>this my husband does. Anyway, he's got a big mouth.

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I got a big mouth too. So I am the

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>optimists and he's the pessimist, and so we we complete

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the picture for each other. Does it bother you that

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a pessimist. Well, it's actually part of my book

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that I'm writing. But that's a fiction book. The fiction

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>book I created two main characters out of the six

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>psychology students, and one of them is called Penelope Perfect

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 1>and she's she's the optimist. And the other one is

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:50.360
<v Speaker 1>called Max Morose. He's the bits, which I know he's

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna recognize himself. But tell you, Okay, now you're someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's reading Nietzsche, writing books, playing scrabble words with friends,

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 1>very into uh words. Yet you dropped out of high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you feel any inadequacy there, something you're covering

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<v Speaker 1>up for or that's not a factor whatsoever? Um? Well,

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I've always been clever, and I don't mind saying that

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:28.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm a clever girl. Uh, I did leave school early,

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and I have a unquenchable thirst for analogy. I always said,

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe that is because I left early. But you know,

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>but then again, when I used to be at school

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>like Kenny Levn TV and all that, and the summer

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>vacation would start, I would go home and the next

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>day I would play school. Is that crazy? It is

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to me? But keep going, that's not so? But um

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>saying that, Yeah, I'm very well read. Maybe it's to

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<v Speaker 1>make up for the fact that I did in grade

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>right high school. But I am now Dr Quatroll by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, officially, Okay, where'd you get your degree at Cambridge?

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Honorary Doctor of Music? Wait? Wait, Cambridge like Oxford and Cambridge.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I got made honorary Doctor of Music at Cambridge October

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand sixteen. I am officially Doctor Quatroll. Okay, tell

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>me the backstory there. Well, they called me up and

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>they wrote to me and they said, we'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>honor you. Would you like to be honored? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>are you kidding me? I mean I say it on stage,

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I say, I say, I am officially Dr Quatro. You know,

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it. I was in tears. I was

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>in cap and gown, you know me. Wow. But that's

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>as good as it gets, I know. I mean, that's

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>better than Yale or Harvard, I mean Cambridge Oxford gets.

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the top. You banged the gong, as they say.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, Dr Quatro, I can't believe it. Every time

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I think about it. I'm allowed to use it in

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>my passport and I'm Dr Quatro. And when I stood

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>up to make my speech, my husband was in tears,

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to hold it all together. You know,

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>all these academics out there, Jay's McCambridge and at my

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>speech here. But I pushed it over. That's so much me.

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I pushed it over and and I just started to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>And the basic gist of what I said was we all,

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<v Speaker 1>we all have a job in life, and every one

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>of us, and it doesn't matter rich, poor, black, white,

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. We all have a job, and that's to

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>go inside and find that little light and turn it

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>on and let nobody ever switch it off. And then

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I started to cry, Oh dear, what a moment, What

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a moment, I'll be forever proud of that, staying with

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>staying with education. Were you when you were in school

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>for a long time? Good student, bad student, class clown friends?

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>What was that like? I was a pretty good student. Um.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I excelled at believe it or not. You have music, English, um,

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>geography crap um, math crap, science and I didn't care

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>home economics I failed dreadfully. Um. Can you can you

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>cook today? I am not known from my cooking I do.

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I do my cooking in the bedroom. I used to

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>always say that. Um. I would say, Oh, my mother

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>kept for me all of bigfold, all the kids off

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>five kids, religiously, every report card, every immunization, you know,

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and she gave it to us when we left home.

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>And I was looking at my report cards just the

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>other day, old ones, seventh eighth grade, and one of

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the teachers had written, if Susie could concentrate a little

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>bit more instead of trying to be popular, she would

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>do very well. Well guess what. Guess what made me

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>famous trying to be popular? Yes, exactly, So she got

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>it wrong. Okay, you know you're talking about technical stuff.

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Before we began. Dudge says, you're pretty up on technical

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and say no, no, no, and you're giving examples. So

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>how good are you with technical stuff? You ran that,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>no problem. Well, you gotta remember my generation was not

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>a computer generation, so I had when I finally started

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to learn it, I had to learn as you need

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to learn kind of thing. I'm not too bad now,

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. I can do certain things, but I get

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>things wrong. I mean I went into the studio the

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>other day when my son was recording with two other

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>guys in there, and I said, Richard, we need to

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>work on that one song. Did you get the stem cells?

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>And he just went and the best one, the best

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>one to see. I've told everybody this because it's amazing

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>that fifty eight years in the business that I could

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>do this. I was sitting in the and it's not

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>technical thing, it's it's something else, sitting in there with

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>my guitar, and I had this tuner right, and I

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure how to use it because I've never used

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it before because I've had hits. So people tuned for me.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I put this tuner on the tuning peg.

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>It's called the tuning peg tuner. That's what we've named it. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a headstock tuner. But I didn't know this, so

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't figure out how you made it work. So

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I figured it would pick up the vibrations from each string.

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Because I put it, don't even go there. I put

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>it on the tuning peg, and I'm and I've got

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it on that and I'm following it around as I'm

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>tuning it to see how it's and my son came

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<v Speaker 1>in and he went, Mom, he screamed to me, and

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I went, what I knew I was doing something wrong?

0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He said, what do you do? I start up tuning

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<v Speaker 1>a Mom, it's a headstock tuner. Where do you think

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you put it? I said? Oh? And you wouldn't believe

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that somebody could do something so stupid. Do you normally

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>have common sense and these are just outliers or you're

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>not known for your common sense. I can be both.

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm extremely quick with it. I'm very clever, and I

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>can do really dumb things too. I'm just like that.

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's only because in my brain I thought I

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:40.240
<v Speaker 1>can figure this out. No, I couldn't. It made logical

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 1>sense to me, Oh don't. It's so embarrassing. How could

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I do that? It's a head stock tuner, but we

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>all call it now a tuning peg tuner. It's changed names. Okay,

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 1>let's go back to Detroit. So there are five kids

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in the family. Not everybody is completely familiar with your history.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>So where are you in the hierarchy? I I am

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the fourth out of five, my eldest sister Artie, then

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>my brother Mickey, than Patty, than me, and then Nancy.

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Then how many years between everybody? Oh? God, let me think.

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>My dad always called it his two wave of kids.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So are Lean and Mickey I think are two years apart,

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and then there was like five or six years and

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 1>then Patty, me and Nancy. So you have the two,

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think there was a couple of miscarriages in

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>there and stuff because my mom was always pregnant. I

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>think she had nine pregnancies and five kids. So yeah,

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>there's there those two and then the US three. And

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>those two were off married and the kids and everything.

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And it was my elder sister, Patty and I that

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>started the band. Okay, you call him Mickey. For those

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of us who don't know him, we call him Mike.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So was he Mickey or Michael? What's the story? We

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>always called him Mickey? But as I think, he always

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>went professionally as Michael Quadrille or Mike Quadrille, but us kids,

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>we always called him Mickey. I never called him Michael never. Okay,

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So just to be clear, how old were those kids?

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 1>The oldest two kids relatives to the next three kids. But, um,

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>let me see Arleen. Okay, Arlein, now is hang? I

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>gotta see, I'm dumb at Matt's seventy one. She's gonna

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>be eighty this year, so she's nine years older. Mickey

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>is seventy eight, Patty is I'm seventy one, Patty is

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>seventy four, and then Nancy is sixty nine. So the

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.479
<v Speaker 1>three of us are worked together in those two Leans

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>nine years old and Mickey seven years older, and then

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>there was five years between Patty, me and Nancy. Okay,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, I grew up in a family with only

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>three kids. I'm the boy in between two girls, and

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>traditionally there's a middle child syndrome. Every child has a

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>different you know, psychology. So were you kind of lost

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in the shuffle or did you get a lot of

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>attention where were you in the family. Um, I wrote

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of songs based on this. I talked about

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a quite openly. I was UM, the square peg in

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the round hole. Always. That's how I saw myself. I

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of its perception, you know, but that's

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>how I perceived it. I didn't fit anywhere my whole life.

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I didn't fit anywhere. I didn't know where I fit

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in the family. I didn't know where I fit in

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the world. I didn't know where I fit um until

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I but on stage that first time. That that's catting

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>it short, but that's the truth. Fourteen did our first gig.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I remember getting up there with my basse and I

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>went in my head, I went, I'm home. Then I fit.

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>What happens when you don't fit anywhere? And when you

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you're one of the crowd with five kids, you're one

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of the crowd. You know, It's just how it is.

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 1>And Right says I was the Cinderella syndrome, that I

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>was the dark purse. Nobody better. I'm not so sure

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>if he's got that right, but maybe he does. But

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I know that the whole time I was growing up,

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I was searching from my voice for what was like

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the speech I made, for what my thing was. And

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I noticed quite young, like maybe eight seven or eight

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>when we started to do family shows. We always did

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>family shows. My dad was a musician, and we would

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>sing and play and you know all that kind of stuff.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>And I noticed very young that whenever I did my

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit, whatever it might be, the room stopped and

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>watched me. And I remember going into my brain, I'm

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>good at this. I'm good at entertaining a crowd. I

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>knew it from very young. So I think that's how

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>my life developed after that. I could tell a joe,

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I could do a sketch, I could act a scene.

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I could play bongles, I could play piano, I could

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I could reside a poem. So whatever I was doing,

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>it would hold hold the people. And that's kind of

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like why I guess I did what I did. Okay,

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>so you're good on stage, needless to say, you can't

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 1>be on stage. No one can be on stage more

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.839
<v Speaker 1>than like two hours. And I so if this late

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>date as your go older, what's it like being lost stage? Um?

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you mean right now? Well? I mean in your

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>life and your interior life. Okay, yeah, yeah, Um, well

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I I give everything on stage. That's my

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that's my love. I love entertaining UM, I'll never get

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>tired of It's still every gig, it's the same. Just

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 1>before I go out, I think, oh God, I hope

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>they liked me. That's always that same attitude when I'm

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>not on stage. I'm not on stage. That's the performing

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 1>part of my life. You know, I don't have to

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>be okay. But as I say, if let's assume I

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>dropped by and I said, Hey, we're gonna go hang

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 1>at people's houses and it's gonna be like fifteen people,

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:51.399
<v Speaker 1>there is that something like you're gonna say, WHOA, this

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>isn't gonna work for me, and say, oh, I want

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to go. I'll talk to everybody, which which where do

0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you feel? Internally? Um, I'm more comfortable one to one.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>And I've been told by a lot of different people

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>through the years that if they're having a dinner party

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that they know that they can sit me anywhere and

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I will start a conversation with who I'm with. I'm

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>not so comfortable walking into parties of people. I don't

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>know why. I feel a little bit shy. Believe it

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>or not, Yeah, I have. My mom always told me

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>that I was a very shy little girl. There you go,

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>so I guess it's my alter ego, but it is.

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But I am. I am the kind too. It depends

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>dinner parties. I'm great at you know, when you can

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>sit and talk, you have your one to once. You know,

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to take the stage and be Susie

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Quatroll when I'm out with a bunch of people. I

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>don't like doing that. In fact, I've been to a

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of parties where they said sing and I've said, no,

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you and if I did me, didn't you me? That

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>annoys me. You know that they expect you to sing

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>for your supper. If I hones sing, I will. You know,

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to be asked. I'll say hey, and

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll do what I want to do. But don't don't

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>expect me to do that otherwise, you know, I'm I'm

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>like a monkey, like a performing monkey, and that's not

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>who I am. Have a real thing about going out

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>with people, like after a show, for dinner somewhere, if

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 1>there's friends and stuff, because it's just you have to

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>perform because he's still being Susie Quatra. So I do

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>separate the two. That's why I have the ego room.

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>And if you read my autobiography, um unzipped. It's written

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>in two people, Little Susie from Detroit and Susie Quatro,

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and all the way through the book, both people have

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>their say and it's important. Okay. A lot of rock

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>stars do it for acceptance. A lot of performers do

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>it for acceptance, looking for the love that they didn't get,

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:02.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe from their parents, or the accepted they didn't get one.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Was that an issue too? How are you internally? Are

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you still looking for that acceptance? Are you comfortable in

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>your own skin? I'm comfortable in my skin, but I

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>think that that that there is a a need in me.

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It's in my heart and soul. There's a need in

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 1>me to go out there and do my show. I

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.839
<v Speaker 1>love doing it, you know, and I many times I'm

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>up there and I'm being very honest with you. Um,

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll be up there doing a show and I'll think,

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll think to myself, and you're paying me for this.

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>I love entertaining. I love seeing people come in maybe

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 1>you know Saturday night crowd like that, you know, and

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>then the swinging from the rafts. I love it. I

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>love what I do. I love having a good conversation

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>with somebody. But I won't do small talk, so be warned.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't I do not do small talk. If we're

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>going to converse, we're both gonna remember it. And that's

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>how I treat my life. Okay, you said you're very

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>much as Detroit girl to find that. Uh, there's an edge,

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 1>There's an energy, there's an acceptance of all the different

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.439
<v Speaker 1>things that Detroit has to offer. There's an electric there's

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>a danger element in Detroit. I think just about and

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I've had this talk with many other Detroit musicians. Um,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>there's something in the air there. And and if you

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>look at a lot of the people, a lot of

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the musicians to come out of Detroit, you'll you will

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>see a similarity. You got me, Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop,

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>MC five, Bob Seeger, eminem Kid Rock, White Stripes, God

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 1>am I forgetting any bocaby, a million people, um, Ted

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Nugent Uh. And then you got all your motown but

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>all the ones I just said, there's there's something that

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>fits there. You know, it's an edge. Okay. You know,

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 1>as I say, this is an audio podcast, but we're

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>looking each other via zoom in order to facilitate conversation

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and as you move your hands, I notice you do

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>not wear a wedding ring. Do you never wear a

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>wedding ring? What's that about? Um? I got into the

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>habit of not wearing rings at about the age of

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteen when I had on a cheap ring and I

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 1>was slapping my bass and it broke off and went

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>into my finger. So, because I played bass, I very

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>often don't wear rings at all. If I go off

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>for dinner, I might put it on, but it don't

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>wear a wedding ring. Now, I don't need to. I've

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 1>never felt the need to wear one. Now I feel

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the similar. Had a similar experience. I went to a

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>dude ranch with my parents and we got a ring

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>made out of like a horseshoe nail. And of course

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're a little kid, you're growing and I had

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>such a hard time getting it off. Never wore rings

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>after that. Yeah, it's scar does want anything like that? Yeah? So,

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it actually went because it was a cheap one,

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>it actually it into my finger. I thought, I don't

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 1>need this. So I can never wear any jewelry when

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I play, And so I guess maybe it's only when

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going out for dinner or something, and I have

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of nice jewelry. I'll put my jewelry on,

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>you know. But now I've never been a wedding leen wearer. Now, okay,

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So you say you grew up your father was a musician,

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you're playing. To what degree did you take lessons on

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>any instrument? Um? I started on bongo drums at the

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>age of seven, begged my dad to get me a pair.

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be a hippie and a coffee house,

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>smoking cigarettes, playing bongos and reading my poetry. Okay, Um

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>so I used to go with my dad at the

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>age of seven, round eight when I started to get

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>quite good, and let me sit in front of the trio.

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Then I took classical piano for eight years at least.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, oh yeah, I read. I read and write

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and play classical piano, and I also took percussion. I

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>was in the school orchestra, first chair in the percussion section.

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Uh so I'm trained in piano and percussion, and then

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>at fourteen self taught on base. Okay. So, for many

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>peep Benny Boomers, the line of demarcations the Beatles by

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the same token. There was a lot of popular music,

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned Motown, etcetera happening in Detroit. What do

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.439
<v Speaker 1>you mean what turned on your lights? Obviously you came

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>from musical family, but what were the records for the

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>type of music that all of a sudden you said, Man,

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I just got to go in this direction. Yeah, I

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:39.359
<v Speaker 1>got some pivotal moments that are very important. Um, five

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and a half, I was watching the Ed Sullivan Show

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>with the family, like we all did, eight o'clock at night.

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Everything stopped Sunday at Sullivan and um, you know, he

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>always would bring on something for the youngsters at the

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.919
<v Speaker 1>end of the show. And this particular night, Elvis came

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>on and he was doing Don't Be Cruel. And my

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>eldest sister by nine years, she was survited age. She

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>was screaming, and I remember, like it was yesterday. I

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>looked at her and I thought, cent, what's the matter

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>with you? I was only a little girl. And then

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I looked back at the TV and I went into

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:19.839
<v Speaker 1>the screen. I went into it and lightbulb moment. I'm

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna do that. Don't ask me why, but it happened

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that age. Wow, And he stayed with me my whole life.

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a it's a whole of this whole other interview.

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>There's like nine elvous epiphanies that you can't write. And

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>then at fourteen, we were watching at Sullivan again and

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the Beatles came on, and as soon as they were finished,

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 1>we called our two two friends, sisters and another girl.

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's on the phone and we were all oh eyeing

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 1>over the Beatles, and Patty said, my older sister, she said, hey,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>why don't we have an all girl band? And everybody

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>said yeah, great, great, great, great great. Everybody chose an

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>instrument real quick. I want rhythm, I want drums, I

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 1>want piano, I want lead, and I wait hello, and

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Patty said to me, you'll play bass, okay? And I

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:19.320
<v Speaker 1>did you know? I find base unfathomable, especially forget to

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>stand up base, but just in a regular guitar base.

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 1>A lot of legendary basses play without frets. Uh, how

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>do you learn him? How do you do it? What

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>without fritz? No? Just base in general? Oh god, I

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't even think about it. Um. When I was little,

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I used to put a broomstick and put rubber bands

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 1>like that, and betime I was doing this. Um, My

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 1>dad gave me precision to start with. That's like the

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Rolls Royce of bass guitars. Um. I didn't know that

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>there were smaller bass guitarist. All I knew was this

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>is what he gave me to learn, so I learned it.

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was a big bass, but I

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of felt real comfortable with it right away because

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.439
<v Speaker 1>don't forget, I'm a percussionist and a pianist, and they're

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>both percussion. Pianos is classed as a percussive instrument, so

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that's where my brain is anyway. Um, And because I

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:27.919
<v Speaker 1>learned the bass and became lead singer together, it wasn't

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 1>difficult because I was playing a singing so everything off.

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I learned this and I learned it just fit fitted

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>together like a jigsaw puzzle, and bass became my favorite

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:40.880
<v Speaker 1>stage instrument. Oh right away. I fell in love with

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it very much suited me. Okay, so it's February, the

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Beatles are on TV. You get on the phone. What

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.760
<v Speaker 1>is the next step with the group. Then we decided

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 1>we were gonna have the band. Um, Like I said,

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I got my bass from my dad. NaN's parents bought

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 1>her a bass drum and a snare drum in one

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>symbol because they weren't sure if she was serious. Patty

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.240
<v Speaker 1>got a cheap guitar, Mary Lew got a cheap guitar.

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Diane got a little funky little world sir. And we

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 1>started to rehearse, and we talked to my sister, talked

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to the owner of the hideout, which was the local

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 1>dance all that everybody went in too, to let us

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.840
<v Speaker 1>do a gig there in a month's time, a month

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a month and we what We only learned three songs

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and they were the same three chords, so we played

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it safe and yeah, we were up a month later. Wow,

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 1>And that was that was a real wake up call

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 1>for me, you know, to be up there and I

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 1>really what wait wait wait what were the three songs? Oh?

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Latin Blu twist and shout and long talk text And

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 1>so you get up and you play. What's the reception? Like?

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>It was fantastic? And did you sing longfall text in

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>like the record? Yeah? Well I'm alone tall text in,

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I ride a bit? Why or is he cons on

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>texas sound a big don't? But oh yeah, I did

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it all. I was the lead singer, I was in front,

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the whole front person. I didn of the songs singing.

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.799
<v Speaker 1>So after that great debut, what happened with the act?

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 1>We then started to play colleges teen dances. Um, the

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.839
<v Speaker 1>drummer went off to college. We went off to ann

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Arbor every weekend to play the Friday T G I

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>F parties and all that. UM. Then one person dropped out.

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Then another person dropped out in my elder sister Arlene,

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 1>who was married to three kids. She joined the band

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and her first husband out of seven I love saying

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that he started to manage the band, so he left

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:54.799
<v Speaker 1>his job and he had to support three kids on

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>what we earned. So we worked and we started to

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 1>become a show band, UM with costumes, playing all the clubs,

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing five sets a night. That was pretty normal,

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 1>forty five on, fifteen off. And we worked all the time.

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>We worked more than the guys did. And we went

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>into club land, you know, we were a show banding

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>club land. That's where I learned my craft. How much

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>money were you making? Well, I remember being seventeen eighteen

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and earning a thousand dollars a week, which was pretty

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>good back then. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I mean he,

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.279
<v Speaker 1>like I said, he had to earn a living. You know.

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So he got us good money and we were an

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>all go a band, so we were different, we were

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>unique and it was easy to book us and we

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.919
<v Speaker 1>went coast to coast NonStop. I was on the road

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>from fourteen until last year because of the pandemic. Okay,

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>so how did you decide to drop out of high school?

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I was in New York. We were playing Trudi Heller's

0:52:56.160 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>in Greenwich Village, fantastic and see end of the summer,

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it was time for me to go back and finish

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 1>my school. And I was sitting on the bed in

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 1>my hotel and little tiny single bed. I called home

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.879
<v Speaker 1>collect of course, and uh, I remember because my dad

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>got on the phone and my mother got on the

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>extension and I said, Dad, I think I found what

0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to do for the rest of my life

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to come back and finished school.

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>And there was a real silence, and then he said,

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.400
<v Speaker 1>is there anything I can say to change your mind?

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And I said nope, And he quietly put the phone down.

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.399
<v Speaker 1>He cut me off, but he didn't do it mad.

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 1>He just went click. And how clever, How clever because

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I had made this statement and he didn't yell at me.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like click, you better think about that. And

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I did. I said, on to bed for about maybe

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes or so, and I'm out. I'm out of here.

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Never regretted it, not for a second. Okay, so this

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is in the heyday of beans. People have no idea

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>what it was like. There was no internet. Everybody picked

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.920
<v Speaker 1>up an instrument after the Beatles, there were bands battle

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:23.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Beans everywhere. So now you're a professional, what

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is your life and career look like? And are your

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 1>dreams bigger than being in a show band playing clubs? Um?

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I loved the Pleasure Seekers. It was a fun band,

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.240
<v Speaker 1>and I was learning all the time. I was enjoying

0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the You know, my god, how I learned how to

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 1>use my throat without losing your five shows a night. Um.

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't care about it being all girls. But

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't do gender. Actually I never have. I've never

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I've never thought of myself as a female musician. That's

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:57.479
<v Speaker 1>why when I looked at Elvis, I said, I'm gonna

0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 1>do that. Never thought about it being a guy. I

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just don't do gender. Um. I was a tomboy when

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I was growing up. But I remember a pivot another

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 1>pivotal moment. We were setting up the equipment because because

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sorry about that, setting up the equipment because some we

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:18.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a ROADI couldn't afford one. And the lights

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 1>were growing up and all that, and we were carrying

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>in all of us, the Hammond Oregon, the Hammond organ

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:28.399
<v Speaker 1>and my our manager, my sister's husband. He said, now

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.320
<v Speaker 1>you girls, you girls do realize that all the lights

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have to go on, Susie, I didn't say that. He

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 1>said that. I remember being quite uncomfortable with that. Actually,

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, that didn't come from my mouth. I was like,

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 1>what do you say? But I always kind of knew that,

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Um not kind of. I knew that somebody one day

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.799
<v Speaker 1>was gonna tap me on the shoulder and sec I

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 1>just knew. I knew it. I had a feeling. So

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I was learning and enjoy being with everybody, and then

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:06.720
<v Speaker 1>and then the call came. I had dreams of every

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess dreams of I don't like the words startom.

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it has negative connotations. I wanted to be

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.719
<v Speaker 1>well known. I wanted everybody to endure my music. I

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be able to reach a lot of people.

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, I wanted to be somebody. Okay, what were

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you doing with all the money? Oh that I was

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:39.360
<v Speaker 1>baking back then? Uh, buying clothes, got some guitars. God it.

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.919
<v Speaker 1>It didn't last that long. That big money didn't last

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that long because Leonder ain't got divorced. So when he

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>stopped managing us, we didn't. We didn't end up doing

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 1>quite as well. He was a good manager. I have

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:51.879
<v Speaker 1>to say he did well. Um, and we still lived

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 1>at home. You know, I can't say I got reaching

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>either of those fans pleasure seekers or cread or not really. Okay,

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>we live in the me too era. You're a teenage

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 1>girl working in nightclubs across America? What is that like?

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you had some experiences were not that comfortable

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 1>many times. Um. I luckily what I lack in stature

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I make up for in mouth. So I learned very

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:32.640
<v Speaker 1>young to put somebody verbally in their place, and I

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>could do it very easy. Believe me, you don't recover. Um. Sure,

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>there's been a few incidents, is yeah. One time. I

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>remember one time when guy was at the front of

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the stage watching the band, and he made this rude

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 1>tongue gesture you know what I mean, And I took

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>my base as it was part of the show, and

0:57:53.880 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I whacked him over the head with it, and then

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I just had that little innocent look that I'm so

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 1>great at, you know. Oh sorry, Okay, you paint a

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 1>picture of a rambunctious, spinning top tom boy. Needless to say,

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the young men go on the road frequently with the

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 1>intention of having sex. Were you sexually experienced? Was this

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>something that was off the table? How did this fit

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 1>in because on some level you were selling sex to

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>boot Yeah? Yeah, sure. I had a boyfriend of fourteen.

0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:38.919
<v Speaker 1>We're still in contact now, really good boyfriend. Uh. Then

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't very experienced at all. No, quite green. Actually

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I talked to a good game, you know. I then

0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with a married man like you do.

0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You know he broke my heart. Yeah I didn't. I

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't have that many boyfriends. I didn't. No, we were

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 1>all quite square that way. My mom and there were Catholic.

0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 1>My mother was very strict, and that actually gave me

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 1>real good tracks to run down. I wasn't one of

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>these sex drugs in rock and roll grow like it

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 1>was just for the stage, but offstage, quite quite square.

0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>My chapman or he says that that I'm doing quite

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 1>square of stage. And I believe in if you're in

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a relationship, you're in a relationship. I believe in monogony.

0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe in being. If you're with one person, be

0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 1>with one person. Otherwise, don't be with one person, you know.

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 1>But I had fun, I had enough fun. But I

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>certainly wasn't promiscuous by any stretch of the imagination. That

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't me. In fact, the joke amongst all the

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 1>male musicians in Detroit was that you couldn't get near

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the quadrulls. That it was quite funny. Uh no, not

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>not permissing. I'm quite square to the question of drugs

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and alcohol. No, In fact, I didn't even get drunk

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:58.440
<v Speaker 1>until I was twenty two when I met my ex

0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>husband and he said me, you've never been drunk. Maybe

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I had some beers back in the teenagers, but it

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't wasn't a drinker. Um. And I had my first

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>drunk with my ex houseman and he took me out

1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to her the Greek restaurant. We had wine and I

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:18.480
<v Speaker 1>was dancing on the tables. That's funny. And what about drugs,

1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the normal pop stuff that you do in the in

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the I was the sixties teenagers, so the drinking parties

1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 1>were in fact pop parties, you know. But unfortunately, unfortunately,

1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those people that when I smoke dope

1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:43.480
<v Speaker 1>it makes me speedy, and I'm speedy anyway. And everybody's

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I remember going to I never forget at a pivotal

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:48.400
<v Speaker 1>moment in my life again, big pot party where at

1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:51.439
<v Speaker 1>everybody's smoking. Everybody's like like this, you know, laying around

1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like you do, nobody talking, and I'm going person to person. Yeah,

1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And I heard somebody say to somebody else, next time

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<v Speaker 1>you come, don't bring her oh wounded. And as the

1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:12.320
<v Speaker 1>late seventies hit in in the eighties, come on, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big cocaine scene. Were you ever doing coke or

1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:20.120
<v Speaker 1>were you just a marijuana girl? I didn't even hardy

1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:21.800
<v Speaker 1>do dope once I saw what it did to me.

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<v Speaker 1>UM never never not interested. UM. I'm not one of

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<v Speaker 1>these people that would ever take a drink, even to

1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.480
<v Speaker 1>this day. Although I like a glass of wine, glass

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<v Speaker 1>of champagne absolutely, um, and I have a good collection

1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a snub with wines in champagne like good stuff. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Never have needed anything to go on to a stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, I don't like it when people do

1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.920
<v Speaker 1>need something. Cocaine just didn't interest to me whatsoever. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of people waste a lot of money

1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:56.000
<v Speaker 1>up there nose. You know, no, thank you, not for me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're in the Pleasure Seekers, you ultimately make records.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the band morshed into cradle. You know, that was

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:06.720
<v Speaker 1>a time where there was a clear line between It's

1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.040
<v Speaker 1>not like today where anybody can make a record. There

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>was a clear line between the people who were happening

1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:14.520
<v Speaker 1>on the radio had deals and the bands were playing

1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:18.200
<v Speaker 1>in clubs. What were your thoughts into what degree were

1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you're optimistic? Into what degree were you frustrated? Um? Yeah,

1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.520
<v Speaker 1>we got signed by Mercury. We made a few sides,

1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but that didn't work out. Because this is the Pleasure Seekers.

1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.680
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want us to actually play our instruments on

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the record, and we all didn't like that at all,

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.880
<v Speaker 1>so we left the company. Um. Then there was an

1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:42.480
<v Speaker 1>incident where my brother booked us on his one of

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>his festivals that he started to do, and uh, we

1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:52.520
<v Speaker 1>we're a custom wearing show band, and we went onto

1:02:52.600 --> 1:03:00.720
<v Speaker 1>this hippie festival and we died. We died with our stage.

1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:03.280
<v Speaker 1>We were a show band and it was a bit

1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of a shock because we always did great at clubs.

1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:08.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody loved us. So we had a big

1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:11.280
<v Speaker 1>discussion after that, and it was a case of changing

1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the band around, getting heavy, writing our own material. I

1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:17.720
<v Speaker 1>would take a step back and mainly just play bass.

1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.040
<v Speaker 1>A little sister would come in and start singing, and

1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:24.720
<v Speaker 1>it became a serious jamming band, long hair and ty

1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>dyed T shirts and one of those. And I didn't

1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:30.760
<v Speaker 1>like that at all. We couldn't get signed, and we

1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:33.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't really have record success in either band, not really

1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.520
<v Speaker 1>um and it was the cradle the band, the second

1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.960
<v Speaker 1>wave of the pleasure Seekers, where the two record companies

1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:42.320
<v Speaker 1>came and saw us both in one week of each other.

1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Electorate Records came to Detroit, saw the band, didn't like

1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the band whatsoever, offered me a solo contract, and that

1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:53.320
<v Speaker 1>very same week, Mickey Most came to Detroit, saw the

1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.040
<v Speaker 1>band didn't like the band whatsoever, and offered me a

1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:59.760
<v Speaker 1>solo contract. So yeah, there was definitely a line between

1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we're king unit and recording. Yeah, it was srd to

1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:06.440
<v Speaker 1>get signed back then, but like I said, I witness

1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a solo with Mickey Most and the rest is history.

1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:12.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, how depressed were you when the band

1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:15.640
<v Speaker 1>more than the Cradle and you're no longer the lead singer.

1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I took it with a little bit of philosophical attitude.

1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought, Okay, I could see the reasons she's more

1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:26.959
<v Speaker 1>in tune with that sort of happening things. She's that age,

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<v Speaker 1>and she video is a little bit heavier and blah

1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:32.280
<v Speaker 1>blah blah um. And then I thought that it would

1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:35.640
<v Speaker 1>be a great opportunity to learn my base really well.

1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:39.560
<v Speaker 1>So I became really proficient on my bass guitar. But

1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the joy went out for me. I have to say,

1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm better as I'm a fun person by nature. So

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really enjoy my time in that band at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't like the root it took musically how

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<v Speaker 1>much heavier and we have to say something politically and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah, No, no, I don't want to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So um, Like I said, when the two

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<v Speaker 1>offers came with an week, it was to me a

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<v Speaker 1>no brainer that it was my time to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>In that interroom. Before you got those two offers, do

1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you ever think of giving up. No, I'm gonna make

1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:17.360
<v Speaker 1>it no matter what, no matter what. Never for an instant,

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<v Speaker 1>even in London, living in a room that was about

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<v Speaker 1>as big as this chair, with nobody, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>my contract, and going to the studio every day with

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<v Speaker 1>my less Paul recording basement way more than I did,

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<v Speaker 1>crying myself to sleep every night, very lonely. Never did

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<v Speaker 1>I consider giving up. I was always going where I

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<v Speaker 1>was going. In fact, I've still got that exact same

1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:46.720
<v Speaker 1>fire in my belly that I had then. It hasn't

1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:50.000
<v Speaker 1>hasn't dissipated, even even with all the success, It's still

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<v Speaker 1>not going. So I guess that's just my nature. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're there and your brother Mike brings Mickey mo

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<v Speaker 1>most to you, what goes through your brain? Um? After

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<v Speaker 1>after Okay, I just knew it. Mickey was watching and

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy was singing, and I walked up and I did

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<v Speaker 1>two songs. And I remember it because I knew he

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<v Speaker 1>was there, and I was a big as a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of his production. I was a huge Donovan fan,

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<v Speaker 1>so I loved Mickey's productions, loved him. Um and I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I remember doing it. I went here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote. It's called brain confusion. And then after that

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<v Speaker 1>I went going to a party at the County and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew exactly and after the show, he just went

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<v Speaker 1>like this to me. I just had the feeling, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said to me, how would you like to

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<v Speaker 1>come to You gonna make a record? But I thought

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<v Speaker 1>he meant the band. He didn't mean the band, and

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a It's in my documentary. It's a well

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<v Speaker 1>documented story. Um. He flew Mickey to New York to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him, and Mickey came back with the news.

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<v Speaker 1>But nobody told me that he didn't want the band.

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<v Speaker 1>He only wanted me, And nobody told me that news.

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<v Speaker 1>So I could have missed my shot. But about three

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<v Speaker 1>or four months later, the band started to disintegrate, and

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<v Speaker 1>I rode my bike to my eldest sister at Need's house,

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<v Speaker 1>who wasn't in the band anymore for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on husband number two then, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>really upset. I said, what am I gonna do? This band?

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<v Speaker 1>The band is my whole life. Music is what am

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<v Speaker 1>I gonna do? She said? Called Mickey, I said, why

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<v Speaker 1>why I've been sending him stuff with the band and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and she said he likes you. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do he means? She said, he just only wanted you, Susie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went what I had, no idea, no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have missed my shot. That's not right. They

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<v Speaker 1>should have told me, um. I mean, I know why

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't. Obviously they will hope me. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take the whole band, of course. But I called him

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<v Speaker 1>did that that day and he said, I understand because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to break up the family band. You

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<v Speaker 1>say he wanted it. He thought it was out his

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<v Speaker 1>last legs anyway, and he said to me, uh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so the band is going to be split and I

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<v Speaker 1>said yeah. I said good, you're ready to come over.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yep, done, okay slowly you're in Detroit. You

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<v Speaker 1>literally called Mickey most in England. Yeah, okay. That was

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<v Speaker 1>when the transatlantic phone call was a really big deal. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and he took the call right away. I

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<v Speaker 1>just said, Sissor Quadro called Mickey out, Hello, Susie Quadri.

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<v Speaker 1>He always called me Susie Quadra. Okay, how long thereafter

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<v Speaker 1>do you end up in London? And where there's any

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety about going to London, what your parents and peers

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<v Speaker 1>have to say. Well, I had the two offers on

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<v Speaker 1>the table. Electric Records wanted to take me to New

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<v Speaker 1>York and put a mail band around me and turned

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<v Speaker 1>me into the next Janis Chapham, which I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it at all, And Mickey Mo said, come to London,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll record an album who used the best musicians, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make you the first Susie Quadrum. So he saw me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I went to I had to think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went to my parents bedroom and my mom

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting on a chair and my dad was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed and we were talking, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the two offers. Uh, I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>the English offer. And then my mom started to cry

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<v Speaker 1>because it was going to be so far away. And

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<v Speaker 1>my dad said something to me that forever pushed me.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you do realize, of course, that your sisters

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<v Speaker 1>won't make it without you. Wow. Talk about a heavy

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<v Speaker 1>burden to carry, you know, I don't even I think

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<v Speaker 1>it must have taken me maybe ten years to even

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<v Speaker 1>join my Hit Records. I always felt bad, so he

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have put that mean, but he did. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. He was giving me quite a compliment,

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<v Speaker 1>but it really was a heavy load that I carried,

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<v Speaker 1>that really heavy. Okay, so what exact year he moved

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<v Speaker 1>to England. I arrived October thirty one nine. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're twenty one years old. Did they have an apartment

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<v Speaker 1>for you? What is your life look like now you're

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<v Speaker 1>in England? They put me in like a little hotel

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<v Speaker 1>um with a small room, a tiny bed, no bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>a mirror with a cracked a sink with a cracked mirror,

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<v Speaker 1>and a dirty window. Not a nice room. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>nice room. And I had come from a beautiful home

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<v Speaker 1>and gross Point Whids, you know, cross Point Farms actually

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. Um wow, I spent so much a

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<v Speaker 1>long time there then, Like I said, I used to

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<v Speaker 1>cry myself to sleep every night, but I kept thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, this is my pay, my due is part

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<v Speaker 1>of my life and I will make it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>promised myself I would not go back to Detroit without

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<v Speaker 1>hate records. Okay, you talk about low moments during that year.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, now you've got a lot of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>life look back upon. Do you have low moments? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you get depressed or those times that never really happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Susie Quadro Oh gosh. I get those all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But as an artist, they're my favorite moments because I create.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've got a poetry book. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lyric book. I've just got an Instagram book. A year

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<v Speaker 1>on lockdown, I'm writing songs all the time. Whenever anything

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<v Speaker 1>happens to me, I let it. I'm the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>girl that walks through the fire I do. I let

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<v Speaker 1>it burn, and I come out of the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I will either put it in a poem

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<v Speaker 1>or a song. I get lots of low moments, but

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<v Speaker 1>luckily I'm I'm basically a glass offtball person. Basically I

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<v Speaker 1>am so the low more and they don't stay long.

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<v Speaker 1>I get them out. You have to get them out.

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<v Speaker 1>At one time, I was not you know this book.

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<v Speaker 1>I just put up called them through my Thoughts Coffee

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<v Speaker 1>table my third in my series of coffee table books,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was on a year long of lockdown, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a year in lockdown. I did Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and I made it into a book with some narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>just put it out and one one one that I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote which every morning I wake up, lockdown, can't see

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<v Speaker 1>my husband, he's in Germany, so really alone, couldn't see

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<v Speaker 1>my kids alone. And I would wake up every morning

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<v Speaker 1>religioucy from March to March to one figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>my day is like, find the right picture and the

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<v Speaker 1>right uplifting message or maybe not uplifting, however, I was

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<v Speaker 1>feeling with short message. One message, I wrote, oh, you know, hello,

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<v Speaker 1>good morning, and this and them about it up um

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<v Speaker 1>and depression. Don't come knock on itt my door. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not getting in. That was in the more. At midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>I hit the wall, and I mean I hit the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't stop crying. So my

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<v Speaker 1>next Instagram the next day was smartass shut up you

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<v Speaker 1>know really, I said, uh, I'm sharing this with everybody

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously the depression was skirting around the edges of

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<v Speaker 1>my mind and I was I was be at all

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<v Speaker 1>ha ha. I said, it didn't even knock on the door.

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<v Speaker 1>It just came in, you know. And it's okay to cry,

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to hit that wall, which we all have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. You shouldn't stop it. I felt better after crying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but yeah, I've hit the wall a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times during this, but I bounced back. I just

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<v Speaker 1>you say your husband was in Germany. Was that just

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<v Speaker 1>during lockdown or do you spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>a part normally. Well, he lives in Germany and I

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<v Speaker 1>live in England. And for the past twenty seven years

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<v Speaker 1>that's worked beautifully because here's ten minutes from the airport

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<v Speaker 1>in Hamburg, and I have ten minutes from the airport

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<v Speaker 1>here fifteen minutes and we just and we were and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes on the road with me, he has done

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<v Speaker 1>since he retired from his promoting. He just looks after me.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go on the road. Um, you're coming here?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I coming there? That's the life we've had. Were

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<v Speaker 1>either going somewhere together or he's coming here and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going there. And then all of a sudden, lockdown and

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<v Speaker 1>that was over. So all of a sudden, I am

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<v Speaker 1>alone and so we see and we had only skype,

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<v Speaker 1>only skype. So every morning tears, you know, tears. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been really hard. And I can't go over there with

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<v Speaker 1>him full time, and he can't be here full time

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<v Speaker 1>because this is my house and that's his. So everything

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<v Speaker 1>is the way we like it, you know, So we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've managed to make it through. It's easing up a

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<v Speaker 1>bit now. Five months apart last year all together, and

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<v Speaker 1>three months so far this year. He's coming over on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday pre COVID. If there are three hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five nights in a year, how many are you together? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>We usually are a part for maybe together two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half weeks apart for two and a half to

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks. Two weeks and two weeks. It probably averages

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<v Speaker 1>out like that. And has it been that from day

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<v Speaker 1>one in the relationship yet? I didn't think I would

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<v Speaker 1>like that, you know. And he was the one. He

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<v Speaker 1>kept saying, oh, a lot of a lot of professional

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<v Speaker 1>couples lived this way, blah blah blah. And now you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like when I said, depression, you're not coming

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<v Speaker 1>in ha ha. He hates it, and I'm fine, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. I'm actually fine with it. So he's the

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<v Speaker 1>one hating it now and I'm the one that's saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. Okay, So you're in this little hotel room.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you literally doing professionally? For that next year?

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<v Speaker 1>We are recording Mickey signed me as a singer song.

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<v Speaker 1>We're writing a musician. Um, so I'm writing all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He got me a little studio to work in with

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<v Speaker 1>the piano and an amp and a bass, and I'm writing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're in the studio with some big people, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Frampton playing on some of my stuff, Big Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan on guitar, Alan White on the drums. From Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had serious people me on the base

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<v Speaker 1>so making stuff. Um, but it was a very Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>would be the first rest in peace. Mickey. He would

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<v Speaker 1>be the first to say he never was quite sure

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<v Speaker 1>how to get me on record. He knew what he

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<v Speaker 1>knew what I was, and he didn't know what I was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always searching, and you know, so we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>making the right kind of records. And finally, after about

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<v Speaker 1>oh a year, mab a year and a half, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been advanced since I've been fourteen, Mickey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I do. I said, I need to get

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<v Speaker 1>a band here and start working because I'm going crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He said, okay, So I auditioned and I

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<v Speaker 1>got a band. That was the turning point for me. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He put us on the circuit, on the college circuit,

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<v Speaker 1>doing all my own materials. So really, now I'm developing.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my band, you know, now everything's making sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. Then we went on the first ever national

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<v Speaker 1>Slade tour and they were having hits before I had mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey called his friend Chase Chandler, who used to be

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<v Speaker 1>bass player for The Animals, and he said, I got

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<v Speaker 1>this girl. She's gonna be huge. Can you put her

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<v Speaker 1>on opening the show? He said sure, So I had

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes at the beginning of every show, then then

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<v Speaker 1>Lizzie and then Slade and all my own stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the time that tour was over, I was in

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<v Speaker 1>love with my guitar player. We wanted to get married,

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<v Speaker 1>and the band had a sound, had a sound we

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<v Speaker 1>had developed. Obviously, you're playing every night, you're gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>your sound. And Mickey then had just signed Chinn and

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman songwriters, and he said to me, do your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm the songwriter. He said, do your mind if

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<v Speaker 1>they come along and see a show and try to

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<v Speaker 1>craft a hit single out of your sound. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind whatsoever. The good writers, you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>they came and heard and if you hear the first album,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll hear all my stuff is to do is very boogish,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So they heard what we did, they heard

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<v Speaker 1>the set, and they went away WI can the Camp

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<v Speaker 1>And that was my first number one. A little bit

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<v Speaker 1>slower he gets them, they see you live. Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about the creation of can the Camp. Uh, Mike came

1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in with this. If you want, don't ever give Mike

1:18:43.200 --> 1:18:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a guitar because he's on eleven all the time and

1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:50.599
<v Speaker 1>he likes screeching, you know. But anyway, he heard the sound,

1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:53.920
<v Speaker 1>he came. But he came up with this demo of

1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:57.320
<v Speaker 1>just lots and lots of noise and guitarist and him singing,

1:18:57.920 --> 1:18:59.519
<v Speaker 1>and he played it for us and we liked it,

1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and we down into the rehearsal room at the record company,

1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:05.160
<v Speaker 1>all of the all of us musicians, and we worked

1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:09.400
<v Speaker 1>on the arrangement of this song. So the drummer came

1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:12.920
<v Speaker 1>up with to do. He came up with that excellent um.

1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Lenny came up with his little choppy way of playing it,

1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:18.759
<v Speaker 1>and I came up with the nice boogie base line.

1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:23.080
<v Speaker 1>And we had a great great keyboard player, Alistair. Oh.

1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:25.640
<v Speaker 1>He was so good. He's he's called so many of

1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:29.320
<v Speaker 1>them are dead. Anyway, he came up with that, and

1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:33.360
<v Speaker 1>it all took shape very quickly. The band, everybody put

1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>their stamp on it with their instrument, and then Mike

1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:37.920
<v Speaker 1>said to me, sing it here, and I sang it,

1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and he went sing it here. By saying it, sing

1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it here, I said, Mike, that's the top of my range.

1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.120
<v Speaker 1>He said, that's where it's gonna be. So he took

1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:46.559
<v Speaker 1>me right up. He said, something happens to your voice

1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:49.040
<v Speaker 1>up in that register. Took me right up there. And

1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:52.160
<v Speaker 1>when we were making it in the studio, I put

1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the doom do, which really became a real key factor.

1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:59.200
<v Speaker 1>That was Lenny's idea to doom with do do do

1:19:59.320 --> 1:20:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a medal base rift there. And then when we were done,

1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I've done the vocal and everything, and Mike said I

1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.559
<v Speaker 1>need something just here, and I went right and I

1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:09.760
<v Speaker 1>went out. I did my famous I've been doing it

1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>since I've been fourteen, my famous scream. And it's a

1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:16.200
<v Speaker 1>good one. It really is. Makes the hairs on the

1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.200
<v Speaker 1>back of here that going. Max said, that's the magic.

1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.479
<v Speaker 1>So how long did it take to cut the record?

1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And how long after that was it released to the marketplace?

1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:31.920
<v Speaker 1>And let me see, now we cut it must have

1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:35.240
<v Speaker 1>been just after the Slave, so it would have been

1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:41.160
<v Speaker 1>around January, February, March about March, and then, um, that

1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:45.120
<v Speaker 1>was all put together. I was number one in May,

1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:48.600
<v Speaker 1>so we we just cut that one side first and

1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:50.599
<v Speaker 1>then I hit number one in May. I was twenty three,

1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:55.160
<v Speaker 1>had my first number one nearly three, and then Mickey said,

1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:57.840
<v Speaker 1>we need to make the next single right away and

1:20:57.920 --> 1:20:59.839
<v Speaker 1>the album. So then we went and started to record

1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:04.519
<v Speaker 1>the album. So they came out after the second hit single,

1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.840
<v Speaker 1>after forty eight crash. That was great, That was great.

1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:11.759
<v Speaker 1>A couple of things. Mike will say that he wrote

1:21:11.760 --> 1:21:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the songs and Nikki was just a business guy. You

1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:18.920
<v Speaker 1>align with that, or you see Nikki having an influence

1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:22.960
<v Speaker 1>on the material. Um, I mean, Mike's a very good

1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:26.200
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine. You know, we're still very close. And

1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he would say him he said many for many years.

1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:33.640
<v Speaker 1>At the beginning, probably says for the first four or

1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:36.920
<v Speaker 1>five years that Nikki Chin was very important. And because

1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he used to edit, he'd say what you got, Mike

1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.120
<v Speaker 1>would play it, and he might change a word here

1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and there. He was maybe good at hearing a certain

1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:47.639
<v Speaker 1>word or whatever. But but in reality, Mike was more

1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the writer Nikki did what he did whatever he did

1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>in private, and Nikki was very good at business. And

1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.280
<v Speaker 1>when I did my big documentary, when I was doing

1:21:56.280 --> 1:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>my radio shows, I did fifteen years on BBC Radio two. Um,

1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:05.519
<v Speaker 1>everybody that they talked to that got included in the

1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.360
<v Speaker 1>interviews when the documentary came out, they all said the

1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.479
<v Speaker 1>same thing. So Nikki would tell it different, but that's

1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:15.920
<v Speaker 1>how Mike tells it. Okay, So you hear the version

1:22:15.960 --> 1:22:20.559
<v Speaker 1>finished version of Can That Cant Do you immediately say,

1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.760
<v Speaker 1>holy sh it, this is hit record. He say, well,

1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>we made it. We'll see what happens. No, you could

1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:30.840
<v Speaker 1>hear it. Um, you got goose bumps. So I had

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.920
<v Speaker 1>no doubt that was gonna Mickey heard it. He said,

1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:36.880
<v Speaker 1>this is number one. It's the number one. Um. You

1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:39.120
<v Speaker 1>know when you hear a song like that, that's gonna

1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>be here, you know it. You know it. It had

1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:46.360
<v Speaker 1>something had an excitement about it. Um. He called me

1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>into his office and it was about a month before

1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the record was due to come out, and he said,

1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about image now. He said, you're

1:22:57.000 --> 1:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a number one with this. We need your image.

1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>What do you want to wear? Great story of this.

1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I said leather, of course, Elvis and he said no, no, no,

1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>no no. And I said, Mickey, I want to wear leather.

1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Said no, it's it's old hat. It's been done, and

1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I said not by me. And he went and he

1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>looked at me and he said, how about a jumpsuit?

1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:27.439
<v Speaker 1>And I said, yeah, this is when I can be naive.

1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, great, And I'm thinking to myself how

1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>sensible that is, because I'm a real energetic performer and

1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:40.439
<v Speaker 1>everything will stay in place. And I had no idea

1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>until I got the pictures back that it was sexy.

1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's why that photograph works, because it doesn't look

1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like I'm trying to be sexy. I didn't know I

1:23:51.000 --> 1:23:53.680
<v Speaker 1>was being sexy. But when the pictures came back from

1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:58.360
<v Speaker 1>being to choose, I looked at them and I went, oh, oh, dear,

1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:03.920
<v Speaker 1>oh dear. If I don't it's very funny. Don't see

1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't see yourself that way, you know. But there

1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>was a pivotal moment again just before we just I

1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:11.759
<v Speaker 1>went just watching the time you just before we move on. Um,

1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>when I was in the studio, the photographic studio with

1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:18.120
<v Speaker 1>a very big photographer, gard make of its. He's done, everybody,

1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>including the Stones, and I was standing there in my

1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>brand new jumpsuit. The boys were sort of lying on

1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>this table around my feet. I was a leader of

1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the gang and my record was playing in the background,

1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and my first ever proper photo session in my jumpsuit,

1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:40.599
<v Speaker 1>and I remember the photographers saying to me, okay, now

1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:44.639
<v Speaker 1>give me that Susie Quatro look, and I had one.

1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:48.599
<v Speaker 1>The funniest thing is I didn't know I had one.

1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna grab the box set so I could

1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:52.160
<v Speaker 1>show you the look and you'll see what I mean

1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>one second, because I'll never forget this as long as

1:24:56.360 --> 1:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I live, because I you know, you're searching, searching, searching,

1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.479
<v Speaker 1>and then somebody says something like that to you, and

1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you you do it, and then everything, all the pieces

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.519
<v Speaker 1>of my my performing jigsaw puzzle, my personality, it all

1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>came boom. I remember this picture being taken. I hope

1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>believe I'll remember the picture too. See can you see

1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Absolutely, it's a legendary picture. But okay,

1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:31.360
<v Speaker 1>you're instantly a sex symbol. What's it like being inside

1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the jumps dude and everybody looking at you. To me,

1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it was it was right. It felt good. Um, when

1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:45.519
<v Speaker 1>you when you don't grow up thinking of yourself as

1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>a good looking, sexy girl, even wearing that and being

1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:54.519
<v Speaker 1>looked at is not going to change your inside, you know.

1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And I always say to my husband that, thank goodness

1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.559
<v Speaker 1>I didn't grow up that way, because what that did

1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>was that give me a very natural balance to being

1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:09.479
<v Speaker 1>stared at and being a sex, very natural balance to

1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>it all. Because I don't take it serious, you know.

1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're loving Susie Quadro, and so I do

1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>separate that way. I mean most of the time. And

1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:20.640
<v Speaker 1>it happens all the time. The guys will come up

1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and they go, oh, oh no, I had you on

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>my wall, your poster, and you know that. I said, yes,

1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that, thank you enough information. They want to

1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>share it with you, you know. So I don't take

1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it serious. I just don't take it serious. That's Susie Quadro.

1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>That's Susie Quatro. Okay, okay, Now, performing leather is not

1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that easy. It gets hot and sweaty. I mean, what

1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>was I'm like, Well, you know, look at this idiot here,

1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm five ft two. I picked the heaviest instrument and

1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:56.639
<v Speaker 1>the hottest outfit. So what am I like? I could

1:26:56.640 --> 1:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>have played flute and satin. You know, Um, I just

1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>got used to it. I I when I zipped that up,

1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I still wear it. I become me, become her, become me.

1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:12.120
<v Speaker 1>She is me, She's part of me. But it's still

1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:14.479
<v Speaker 1>performing side. I love. I love the jumps It's what

1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a great what a great image. And I could still

1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>do it now at seventy one. I mean, my god,

1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>how lucky am I to have the same image. That's fantastic.

1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>That means it worked because Mickey's idea was a jumpsuit.

1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Why did you want to be in leather? From Elvis?

1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>That's another pivotal moment. I saw him on the Comeback Special.

1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I was eighteen, and I decided leather was for me,

1:27:41.240 --> 1:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and I went and bought my first leather jacket. Next

1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>pivotal moment, we're making the first album and we record

1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll Shook Up. Next pivotal moment, I'm touring America with

1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>my English band. I've had hits. I'll Shook Up is

1:27:56.320 --> 1:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>in the charts. Um, I me in Memphis and the

1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>phone rings and it's Elvis's people, and all of a

1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>sudden he gets on the phone, I knewly died, and

1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:11.439
<v Speaker 1>he said, uh, I've heard your version of All Struck

1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Up and I think it's the best. It's my own

1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and would you like and would you like to come

1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to grace Land? And I went, I'm very busy right now,

1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:25.120
<v Speaker 1>not because I was scared, because I wasn't ready and

1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I figured i'd have another chance to meet him and

1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Next pivotal moment, I have to go through

1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:34.519
<v Speaker 1>these now that I started. Nineteen seventy seven, I come

1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:38.479
<v Speaker 1>from Japan to l A. I auditioned for Happy Days.

1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Um they said okay. I met the director at the funds,

1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>read for the part. They said, go back to your

1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>hotel when we'll give you a call. We have to

1:28:48.160 --> 1:28:51.479
<v Speaker 1>discuss you. So I've put on the TV. I'm sitting

1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.519
<v Speaker 1>next to the phone waiting for them to call. TV

1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>is on in the background, and they called and they said,

1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>we don't just want you for the two part episode,

1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>want you for fifteen episodes. I went great, And just

1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>as they were saying that, the TV said, news flash,

1:29:07.439 --> 1:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the King is dead right. You can't write this stuff simultaneously.

1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Then two or three months later I'm there to do

1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>my first taping of Happy Days and the director comes

1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:25.519
<v Speaker 1>over with a little little man and he said, Susie,

1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd like you to meet this guy. His name is

1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Nudy and he's gonna be doing all your costumes for

1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the show. That was Elvis's personal Taylor, you cannot write

1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff. Okay, then it's not coming out

1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to the end of it. Now, I'm doing my tribute

1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>song to Elvis et and google it when we're done,

1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>called Singing with Angels Um. It was done in Nashville

1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:53.639
<v Speaker 1>with James Burton on guitar and the Jordanaires. Gordon Stoker

1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>had come out of his hotel bed to sing on

1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>this song. I wrote it about Elvis, so that that

1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is the final, the final one, so I finally beat

1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>used a thing with him, and the compliment that I

1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>shall take to my grave is I was outside with

1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:12.719
<v Speaker 1>James Burton, took a little break from recording, and I

1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>gave him my headphones and I was playing him a

1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>few tracks from the album I was recording and he's

1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>listening and he took off. He said, you know, Susy,

1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you something. I said what he said?

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>You got what over said, and I went even when

1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I said, now, my heart stops. I said, what what

1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>do you mean? He said, I can only explain it

1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:42.679
<v Speaker 1>this way. Whatever you do, it's you. Wow. Wow, Let's

1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>go back to can the Can it's number one. It

1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>is very hard to follow up a hit. Was it

1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>all moving so fast you didn't think about it? Or

1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>were you anxious? How am I going to follow this up?

1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I had no doubt I would follow it up. I

1:30:58.520 --> 1:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>was on a roll. My time had come. I was ready. Okay,

1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Like with everybody, the role eventually comes to an end.

1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>How did you deal with that? How did I just

1:31:12.640 --> 1:31:16.559
<v Speaker 1>say say it again? You know, eventually everybody on the

1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>chart their day and somebody else takes the throne emotionally?

1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>How did you deal with it? Deal with that? Um?

1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I never felt like I went anywhere. I've always just

1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>been a working artist. I never went anywhere, So I

1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I never had that syndrome. Um, what for me? Once

1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:41.679
<v Speaker 1>you make it to a certain level and you're out

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<v Speaker 1>there and you know you're playing for the crowds, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing tours and you're all the time working, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're having hits in the charts doesn't really make

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<v Speaker 1>any difference because you've made your name, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>a working artist, and you're you're doing the circuit, the

1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>festivals and the private gigs and this and that. So

1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I've just always rolled along. I've never felt left out

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<v Speaker 1>because even in the eighties, I I keept, I kept

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<v Speaker 1>changing tracks. You know, UM did did the acting, I

1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:13.519
<v Speaker 1>did musical. Okay, wait wait, wait, before we get to

1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the changing, how did you feel being a Detroit girl that,

1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>prior to stumbling in none of these gigantic records in

1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>England crossed over in America. Now, wasn't only you the

1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>other it's very successful acts to talking about Slade, etcetera.

1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>But how did you being an American? How did you

1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>feel about? There was something? There was a couple of

1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>year period of a lot of stuff happening everywhere else.

1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Knew it wasn't happening in America. I used to go

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<v Speaker 1>tour there um all the time. We saw quite a

1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>few albums, you know, but the hit records didn't translate.

1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And every time I went over, I always noticed that

1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it was Linda von Stadt and the Eagles all over

1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the radio. Um in my documentary has explained very well

1:32:57.560 --> 1:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>by Mike Chapman by Debbie Harry by all these people.

1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I was a little bit early. You know, they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>quite ready for this bass playing leader of a rock

1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>band to to do it. You know that I had

1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>more of a cult status in America, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until I did Happy Days. In fact, this is my

1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:19.439
<v Speaker 1>own take on it, and they saw this bass playing

1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>girl that all of a sudden it became okay, that's

1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>how I see it happening. So they didn't discover me

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<v Speaker 1>as Susan Quasta. They discovered me as Leather Tuscadero being

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<v Speaker 1>played by Susan Quadrow in America at that point in time.

1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Happy Days in Laverne and Shirley, which were done by

1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the same people, were the number one in two shows

1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>they juggled. What's it like being on a number one

1:33:45.040 --> 1:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>television show which has international reach even beyond the records. Yeah, fantastic. Um.

1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I was very It was a decision I took to

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<v Speaker 1>to even try out for that part, you know, but

1:33:57.880 --> 1:33:59.479
<v Speaker 1>I always I knew I could act, so I wanted

1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to do it. One of the nicest three three three

1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>years of my life. I've kept good friends with Henry,

1:34:06.240 --> 1:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>good friends with Ron. We email all the time. Um.

1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:14.559
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I one time Astron recently we were talking.

1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I was curious, I said, did I ever feel when

1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I joined the show like I was a brand new

1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>person on the show, a new actress? He said no,

1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>he said, you were just in the show. It was

1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like you had been there from the beginning. I can't

1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>figure out how that happened. It was a really natural

1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>fit for me, you know, pretty natural. And I love

1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I love acting. It's my second love if I have one. Okay,

1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>do you say, both in words and in the documentary

1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:49.559
<v Speaker 1>that you could have continued. Do you regret that you

1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:53.720
<v Speaker 1>did not continue being on the show and having your

1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>own spin off? No. I. I spent a lot of

1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>time with Henry, and he was always talking about how

1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he was always going to be the Funds, you know,

1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's a fine actor. And that went into my

1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>little brain a bit. And then I thought, well, I'm

1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Sushi Quatro everywhere in the world. I now Susi Quatro

1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>playing leather tuscadero. So do I really want to box

1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>myself into being that person for the rest of my life?

1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:26.479
<v Speaker 1>And the answer was no, I did not want to.

1:35:27.000 --> 1:35:28.439
<v Speaker 1>And I went on to do a lot of other

1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>different kinds of shows, you know, And I did musicals

1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Midsummer Murders and ab Fab and five

1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>or six different series that I did. And I made

1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the right decision at the right time. I did enough

1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of Leather Tuscadero. I didn't need to keep doing it. Okay,

1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:50.120
<v Speaker 1>not long after that, you have children? Did you always

1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>want to have children? And did Why did you decide

1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to have them at that point and what was the experience? Like,

1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I always wanted to have kids. I come from big

1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>family myself. That was a no brainer. Who was going

1:36:03.000 --> 1:36:07.479
<v Speaker 1>to have kids I wanted for Unfortunately, I'm too small

1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:09.839
<v Speaker 1>and I had two cesareans. They were kind of dangerous.

1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to get pregnant again. I wanted to

1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>have them before thirty. Then I found that I had

1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>trouble getting pregnant, low fertility, and I had to have

1:36:18.960 --> 1:36:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of help, and I finally got pregnant

1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>at thirty two and thirty four. Always going to have kids,

1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but I insisted that the kids come on the road

1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>with me. That was one of my things I said

1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to my ex. We argued about it. I said, I

1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>don't have kids and leave them at home. So we

1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:39.559
<v Speaker 1>had to live in nanny and we took them on

1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>the road until they got to proper school age. Um, yeah,

1:36:44.920 --> 1:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>kids is great, Kids is great. They they changed your life.

1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>You you you have no idea what love is until

1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>you have a child. Wow. Did I just say that

1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>many perfooms. Uh, I have guilt that they did not

1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>spend as much time with their children growing up as

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:14.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe someone with traditional job. Is that enter the picture

1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:19.479
<v Speaker 1>at all with you? No, it doesn't because I had

1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>arguments about it, and I insisted, and they came on

1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the road, so I would get my sleep from the

1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>gig before on the road, and then they would come

1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to spend the afternoon together. You know, I tried to

1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:34.439
<v Speaker 1>make up for when I was home, I'm not on

1:37:34.479 --> 1:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the road. I was boring. I never went anywhere. I

1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:42.439
<v Speaker 1>stayed here in this house with the kids, so they

1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:44.599
<v Speaker 1>were with me on the road, and when we were home,

1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I was here. My ex used to get quiet, annoyed.

1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we ever go? I said, no, I'm here.

1:37:49.840 --> 1:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>So no, I didn't leave them when they went to

1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:55.439
<v Speaker 1>school age, and then you couldn't keep taking them out.

1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Then there was a few tourists maybe where I had

1:37:58.040 --> 1:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to do a couple of weeks in Australian then they

1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:02.639
<v Speaker 1>would lie out in their break that that happened sometimes.

1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:05.519
<v Speaker 1>But I never deserted my kids. No, I was. I

1:38:05.640 --> 1:38:08.800
<v Speaker 1>was a hands on mom and that was not easy

1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.519
<v Speaker 1>because I was also the bread earner, so I had

1:38:11.520 --> 1:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to wear eight million different hats. You know, now, a

1:38:14.720 --> 1:38:20.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of children of famous people, celebrities, Uh, their childhoods

1:38:20.840 --> 1:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>are not easy. They end up drugs, alcohol, bad actors.

1:38:24.080 --> 1:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>How do you work out with your kids? They're they're

1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty normal to um No, they haven't got they haven't

1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>got any problems, any addiction problems. My daughter can drink,

1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>she's half Scottish. Um No, No, they're fine, They're well adjusted.

1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:44.639
<v Speaker 1>My son has had two successful albums with me. He's

1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>producing people now. He's a fine guitar player. My daughter

1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:51.240
<v Speaker 1>has a good job, she's a good singer. She's got

1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:55.040
<v Speaker 1>her my granddaughter, and she's got a foster kid. Now

1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that you know, I made sure that my kids were

1:38:58.200 --> 1:39:01.519
<v Speaker 1>as normal as possible. I didn't raise them as show

1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>showbiz breadths at all. Okay. In the documentary, a huge

1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>turning point is when you take the gig in any

1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>get your gun, let's kind of separate some of these

1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:18.519
<v Speaker 1>things out. Hey, how did you make the decision to

1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>do that gig? And in the documentary that says it

1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:25.479
<v Speaker 1>closed a for a huge riff with your first husband.

1:39:25.479 --> 1:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>What was going on all through that? Um? Okay, I

1:39:29.120 --> 1:39:32.519
<v Speaker 1>had my kids. I was branching out into different bits

1:39:32.560 --> 1:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and pieces. You know, you can't go on the on

1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:36.599
<v Speaker 1>stage when you're pregnant because that's not good for the baby.

1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:39.559
<v Speaker 1>So I had two years where I wasn't on the road,

1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>not all the like when I got bigger. When I

1:39:41.880 --> 1:39:46.519
<v Speaker 1>got bigger three or four months, I was fine. Um,

1:39:46.640 --> 1:39:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I'd wanted to And an offer came up. I was

1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:53.599
<v Speaker 1>offered the role of Annie and Annie Gets Your Gun

1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and we had to tour boat in Australia. And I

1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:03.519
<v Speaker 1>remember saying to Lenny, this is an offer or we

1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:06.280
<v Speaker 1>had we had an offer of a tour. It wasn't booked, obviously,

1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, I will not turn this down. I always

1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to try my hand at musicals. I love musicals.

1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>And Annie Gets your Gun. Wow, what a perfect fit

1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:18.599
<v Speaker 1>for me, sharp shooting girl. You know a tom Boy?

1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>What a perfect fit. Um. I slid into it. Again.

1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:25.720
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't difficult. Um. I took to it like a

1:40:25.800 --> 1:40:29.240
<v Speaker 1>duck to water. Love the songs, love the whole process

1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:33.240
<v Speaker 1>of doing a musical, loved the discipline of it. Absolutely

1:40:33.479 --> 1:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>loved it. Um yeah wow. But my husband, and you know,

1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>he had to sit around during happy Days. Didn't like that.

1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And he had to sit around during Annie. He's a

1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:47.479
<v Speaker 1>guitar player. So that started to cause a little bit

1:40:47.520 --> 1:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>of a rift. If you had not taken those two

1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>gigs and you'd worked in the band with the marriage,

1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:57.639
<v Speaker 1>have worked and continued, or was it going to end

1:40:57.680 --> 1:41:00.720
<v Speaker 1>in any event? I think it was going to end

1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>in any event because I think I think he kind

1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of drifted after the kids. I don't I don't even

1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>know if he wanted kids. You know, it was we

1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:13.840
<v Speaker 1>were we were growing up heart, you know, And I

1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>love him dearly still I say it to my husband.

1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll always love him. Not in love anymore, but always

1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:25.639
<v Speaker 1>will love him. Um. We stopped communicating. That's the killer.

1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:29.599
<v Speaker 1>So how did you tell him? I wrote a song

1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:34.760
<v Speaker 1>called Free the Butterfly, and I brought it down and

1:41:34.760 --> 1:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>played it from beautiful song. You should google it, and

1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought he would get it, but he didn't. All

1:41:42.160 --> 1:41:45.240
<v Speaker 1>he said afterwards was nice song, sues it's about the

1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>ending of her marriage. Um. Yeah, finally, it took me

1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>six years from from the time I knew that we were,

1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>not that I was falling out of love. It took

1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>me six years to go because I had kids and

1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Catholic girl, so he had he had to

1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:02.679
<v Speaker 1>really think, get through and make sure one million percent

1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that you were making the right decision. And then finally

1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I knew. And when I knew, I knew, and I

1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:11.519
<v Speaker 1>just said, that's it, that's it. How long was that

1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>after you played him the song? Probably two years? Okay,

1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>So you're working in and get your gun. All of

1:42:23.240 --> 1:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a sudden you start spreading your horizons. You're writing books,

1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:30.240
<v Speaker 1>you're acting, you have a radio show. How does that

1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>all come about? And is that fit in with your philosophy?

1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Is it new? Because is it exciting because it's new?

1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Where do you say, well, I'm a rock chick, should

1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I be doing that? What's going on? I don't think

1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:46.559
<v Speaker 1>about any of those things. Um, I'm quite comfortable as this,

1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>very comfortable. This is who I always will be. The

1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>suit stuff fits, by the way, But I am an artist.

1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:57.439
<v Speaker 1>I gotta start five everybody. You're telling me the same

1:42:57.520 --> 1:43:01.360
<v Speaker 1>jumpsuits you wore in the seventies. You can no, no, no, no, no,

1:43:01.360 --> 1:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>no, no no, no no no. Okay, for a minute, there

1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you're no no no, no no no. Of course not,

1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of course not. I would have to be you have

1:43:08.800 --> 1:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to be a miracle for that. But I do have

1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:13.800
<v Speaker 1>older ones, you know, newer ones, and they fit. But

1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of course they made for me. Now, of course you're

1:43:15.240 --> 1:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>not the same size, Um, not exactly anyway. But I'm

1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>still pretty good. Let's let's put it this way. They

1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>still look good, okay. Um. I'm an artist and I

1:43:24.120 --> 1:43:28.639
<v Speaker 1>can't help with be an artist, and I am a

1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:36.240
<v Speaker 1>communicator and entertainer and a creator, and that's what makes

1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>me tick. So I have to do those things I have.

1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I love doing radio. It's communicating on the air. I

1:43:43.200 --> 1:43:46.200
<v Speaker 1>love writing, it's communicating through my words. I love writing songs.

1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's it's all about that for me. I have to create.

1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:55.919
<v Speaker 1>I I can't exist without creating. Okay. There's a cliche

1:43:55.960 --> 1:44:00.240
<v Speaker 1>in the music business. It's not about the money. It's

1:44:00.240 --> 1:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>about the money, okay. So let's go back nicky most

1:44:05.400 --> 1:44:09.439
<v Speaker 1>And in that era, traditionally, the acts had to cough

1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>up there publishing and they had lousy record deals. What

1:44:13.880 --> 1:44:18.679
<v Speaker 1>was your experience in the seventies. It was notorious after

1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.839
<v Speaker 1>the sixties when record companies were throwing money at everybody.

1:44:22.080 --> 1:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>The seventies thing got very tight. So I had a

1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>normal seventy deal, seventies deal which I be negotiated when

1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>we negotiating came up. Um, I never got cheated by

1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Mackey was very fair with me, ironed, ironed, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I bought my first house with cash, so

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<v Speaker 1>not bad. But make Mickey put me with a good

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<v Speaker 1>accountants and everything, and he was straight with me, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. I don't have to worry about money. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Needless to say, the songs that uh uh Mike Chapman wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>the singles you don't collect on, but all of these

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<v Speaker 1>other songs you just get the writer's share in the

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<v Speaker 1>rack days or do you have any of the publishing?

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<v Speaker 1>Um I was signed with my publishing to Mickey, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get publishing. Sure, I have published cents on the dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>The old deal is the publisher owns the publishing and

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<v Speaker 1>gets and the writer gets. We that we had that,

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<v Speaker 1>we had that fifty fifty. But now I've now got

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thirty because they do all the administration for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Butterfly Stroke Rack Publishing, and they do the

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<v Speaker 1>administration for and I get it. And who is they?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's assume you never worked again. You have enough money

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the end more than any now in style.

1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:52.519
<v Speaker 1>In style, I can drink a nice bottle of champagne

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<v Speaker 1>every night of the week. Okay, record royalties which are

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<v Speaker 1>different from publishing royalties. A lot of vacts say they

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<v Speaker 1>don't get those. I don't people with hit records or

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<v Speaker 1>not getting any record royalties not now right streaming? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but are you getting any royalties from the records as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the songs? It's hard to get. It's it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hard. I get a lot, a lot from the

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<v Speaker 1>the publishing and the PRS and all the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, this is a big, big wrong thing that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel sorry for the young X coming along

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Um, the streaming needs to be addressed. It's unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of big acts are coming out and saying

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<v Speaker 1>so PRS has just send out things to everybody. We're

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<v Speaker 1>addressing this that the artists, you know, nobody's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't buy records anymore, so you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>royalties from there, and streaming doesn't really pay you much.

1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So this it's not a good business, not route for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of artists, and it needs to be addressed

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<v Speaker 1>and put right or people will stop making music. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you talk about the fact you need to create.

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<v Speaker 1>You recently put out a new record. What keeps you

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<v Speaker 1>going at this point in time? Creation? God, every time

1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:10.519
<v Speaker 1>I write a new song, I get excited. Every time

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<v Speaker 1>I come up with a great line of the song,

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<v Speaker 1>I get excited. I was up in my bedroom the

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<v Speaker 1>other night writing poetry from my next poetry book, Flying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Flying. I love I love creating something I can't

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<v Speaker 1>explain to any better than that. And I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>the same. I love lyrics, you know, and I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>still got. Unfortunately or unfortunately, depending on which side of

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<v Speaker 1>the fence you're sitting on, I have a lot left

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I'm not done. As everybody, as generations change,

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<v Speaker 1>the audience gets smaller. Does that bother you that you

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<v Speaker 1>might write a book and it might reach fewer people,

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<v Speaker 1>or you might play to one quarter of the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to play. Is that depressing at all? Or still

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<v Speaker 1>you're good it hasn't happened. I mean I knew here

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<v Speaker 1>as zeeve uh two thousand nineteen, just before the pandemic year,

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<v Speaker 1>I played to fourteen thousand people. And here's the funny part.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm standing there doing my two hours show with an interval,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fantastic, and I'm looking at fourteen th people

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the only time I ever thought this, because

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm on stage, I'm I'm in the I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, I'm concentrating, you know, I'm there in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody sneezes, I hear um, you know, I'm I'm there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked at all those people, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, very fleetingly, you know, if it all stops tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go out on a high. And then it stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what did I say that for? Idiot?

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<v Speaker 1>Just like when I said, oh, depression, don't come knock

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<v Speaker 1>it out my door. I gotta learned to shut my

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<v Speaker 1>my brain, you know. But yeah, I'm still playing huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I had shows in the book last year, all

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<v Speaker 1>sold out solo shows with interval, which I love. Two

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<v Speaker 1>hours I love it, take you right the way through

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<v Speaker 1>everything you know, from bongos to everything. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>the same book this year. Of course, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them are postponed to two thousand twenty two. Um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still pulling in the crowds. So are we gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to scrape you off the stage as you die of

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<v Speaker 1>a heart attack at some late age or would you

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<v Speaker 1>ever call it a day? I think if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>ever find myself going on that stage and putting on

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<v Speaker 1>a phony smile. I was stopped. But I do have

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<v Speaker 1>a famous quote which I'm going to end this interview

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<v Speaker 1>with because it's my famous quote. I said it when

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<v Speaker 1>I was thirty five years old. Okay, some idiot at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five said to me, what are you going to retire?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, when I go on stage, turn my

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<v Speaker 1>BA back on the audience and shake my ass. And

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<v Speaker 1>their silence then I stopped. Hasn't happened yet, but a

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<v Speaker 1>big Susie. You're unbelievable, you know you always do. Until

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<v Speaker 1>you actually talk to someone, you don't really know what

1:50:14.680 --> 1:50:18.479
<v Speaker 1>they're like. You know, you can tell a story, and

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<v Speaker 1>I understand why you're successful. You tell a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>Even someone who knew nothing about you would be entertained.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for doing this. Oh well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you for that compliment. I take that that

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<v Speaker 1>that see that goes to my heart. Thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. Until next time. This is Bob Leftson