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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob West Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is the one and only Susie Quatro. Susie,

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Speaker 1: glad to have you on the podcast. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to be on you. What the last name?

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Speaker 1: You know, what nationality is that name? You know how

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Speaker 1: it is? The ancestors came from the old country, They

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Speaker 1: hit Allis Island whatever it was, turned into something else,

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Speaker 1: and it's a Jewish name, but the derivation even I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure. My grandpa came over as Rocky and

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Speaker 1: he emigrated at Ellis Island and they took one look

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Speaker 1: at his name and they said he was a little boy.

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Speaker 1: They said, Michael Quatro done okay, once again, pronounced the

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Speaker 1: name as it was before it was shortened Quatro quatroky, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they just for four eyes and they just shortened it.

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Speaker 1: So he entered America as my Quatroll. And that's the

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Speaker 1: family name. And my dad told me a million times

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Speaker 1: that anybody with the name Quatroll has got to be

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Speaker 1: related to us. Are there a lot of Quatrolls? No,

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Speaker 1: well there isn't. My family. Millions in my family, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: there there's no there's not that many, and there's no

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Speaker 1: real Susie qus But me, well, what about the song?

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Speaker 1: I said, there's no real Susie. Cuse okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: how did you decide on the spelling, because there's different

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Speaker 1: ways to spell Susie. Oh God, I had a T

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Speaker 1: shirt made up recently and I'm going to sell him

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Speaker 1: on my merch side. I hadn't made up from my crew,

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Speaker 1: and it says six different names of Susie spelled wrong,

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Speaker 1: all crossed out and then at the bottom and has

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Speaker 1: it correct. I've been spelling. My name has been spelled

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Speaker 1: every which I get s u s I E s

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Speaker 1: u z y s u z i e as and

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Speaker 1: and then I get quatrill quadrille. I just decided in

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Speaker 1: the Pleasure Seekers, when we were all taking stage names,

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Speaker 1: that I would be Susie A s u z I,

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Speaker 1: soul a s o U. Well, because I did a

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Speaker 1: lot of otis writing and stuff like that way back

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Speaker 1: when I was fourteen. I don't know how that spelling

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Speaker 1: came out, but it just looked right. And everybody has

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Speaker 1: asked me, everybody, including Mickey most, what's your real name?

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Speaker 1: Because it looks and sounds like a stage name, doesn't it? Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: the question becomes many people changed their last name when

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Speaker 1: they have an ethnic or hard to pronounce uh last name. So,

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Speaker 1: but when it was the Pleasure Seekers, you were Susie Q,

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Speaker 1: but it was still Quadr. Do you ever think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be like Susie Smith or something else? No? No,

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Speaker 1: And in fact that was funny because when I got

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Speaker 1: Mickey most Um, we were sitting in his office when

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Speaker 1: I first arrived. And because I have been calling myself

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Speaker 1: Susie Soul always, I'm born Susan K Quadro, always Susie.

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Speaker 1: And I said to me, a key, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to think of I don't want to be Susie,

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Speaker 1: so I have to think of a good stage name.

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Speaker 1: What should be? And he said, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: I went, what he said, sissit Quatro was about the

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Speaker 1: best name I've ever heard, And I went, oh, so

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Speaker 1: just be me. He said, yeah, just be you. That's good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you are sitting a room with umpteen gold records and

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Speaker 1: platinum records. Where exactly are you right now? I am

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Speaker 1: in the dining Actually, I call it the bragging room. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's the dining room of my fifteen century. It is

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Speaker 1: beat in a manor house, nine bedrooms, three and a

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Speaker 1: half acres um. I've been here since nineteen eighty. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually gonna be buried out there. I'm gonna be cremated

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Speaker 1: and are good at my ashes? Put around a four

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Speaker 1: bass guitar carved out of an old tree that died.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen wood carvers how they do that? So

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Speaker 1: four bass guitars coming out of the ground that I said,

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Speaker 1: that's where I want my ashes with a planque. And

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Speaker 1: I've been here for a long time. It's the longest

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Speaker 1: I've ever lived anywhere. I love this house, absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: If I'm gonna be locked down, this is where I

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Speaker 1: want to be. Okay, because even though you're American, most

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Speaker 1: Americans really don't have a comprehension. So let's try to

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Speaker 1: locate it. How far from London is your house? Uh? Sixty? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And where it is is that like rural? Is there

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Speaker 1: a town? What's there? Like? There is a town? I

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Speaker 1: live in between two towns. I live fifteen minutes from

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Speaker 1: a very good airport, which standstead. I live fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes away from Braintree. That way, Um, there's

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Speaker 1: a great train service into London. But I'm secluded. This

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Speaker 1: want to secluded. How much property do you have? Three

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Speaker 1: and a half acres? And do you own the house outright?

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Speaker 1: I bought it out right? Wow? And I bought my

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Speaker 1: first house out right when I was twenty And where

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Speaker 1: was that house? That was about twenty minutes from here?

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Speaker 1: Because when I married my guitar player, my ex um,

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Speaker 1: when we we wanted to move somewhere near one set

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Speaker 1: of parents. My parents are in Detroit, so we moved

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Speaker 1: more near his parents. That leaves near family, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then but then we came out here. I found

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Speaker 1: this house on the cover cover a big house magazine

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Speaker 1: and pulled about the front there and this, you know

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Speaker 1: how you get a feeling this is my house? And

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Speaker 1: is there a wall a gate? There is two big

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Speaker 1: brick pillars. There's a walled garden here with flowers. There's

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Speaker 1: an orchard back there just beautiful with food trees and everything. Um.

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Speaker 1: There's a brick pillars there too. There's three floors, nine bedrooms.

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Speaker 1: On the third floor, I have my ego room. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: you have I love it. Um. You have to go

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Speaker 1: up two flights of stairs. The second flight is very precarious.

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Speaker 1: You can bang your head on the ceiling. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's crooked and everything. It's it's it sounds like an analogy,

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Speaker 1: but it's the extra truth. And you finally get to

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Speaker 1: this big, heavy wooden door at the end of the

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Speaker 1: the door, I had a sign made and it says

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Speaker 1: Ego room. Mind your head, and you go in and

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Speaker 1: this is your life book. Um. Pictures everywhere, posters, jumpsuits

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Speaker 1: over here, bass guitars, seeds, videos. I mean absolutely every

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Speaker 1: inch is covered with me, everything I've done from the

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Speaker 1: beginning of my career up to the present day. And

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Speaker 1: the door. And this is how I survive in this business.

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Speaker 1: You shut the door. I leave my ego up on

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Speaker 1: the third floor. How often do you go up there?

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Speaker 1: At least twenty five times at night door. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know that was a good question. I don't go

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Speaker 1: up there much at all, actually not at all. Lots

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Speaker 1: of times I go up to do a job if

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Speaker 1: i'm writing something, because I'm on my sixth book now,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I need information, And certainly when I wrote

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Speaker 1: my autobiography, if you had a black spot, you know,

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Speaker 1: or something, and you could. And I really spent the

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Speaker 1: light a lot of time up there then. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: every now and again, you just go up and you

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Speaker 1: pull out the old tapes. And when I when I

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Speaker 1: two days. Okay. Now. Bill Wyman, famously of the Stones,

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Speaker 1: famously collected everything. How much of your stuff do you have? Everything? Um?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I made it a point of getting

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Speaker 1: every article about me, And at first I used to

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Speaker 1: put him in square books and all that. I don't

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Speaker 1: every article has ever been written on me. So many videotapes,

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Speaker 1: so many videos of every show I've ever done, all

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Speaker 1: the CDs, all the records, um let me see. Pictures

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Speaker 1: are just awards, stage passes. Everything I used to collect

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Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, all the

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Speaker 1: hues tin waste paper basket. And then I got bored

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Speaker 1: mailer back to this address. I put them all in.

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Speaker 1: I got bored with that. But I've got everything, just

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Speaker 1: about everything. Okay, no one lives forever when you do

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Speaker 1: move on? What's going to happen to all the stuff

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Speaker 1: in the ego room? I am hoping. I've tried to

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Speaker 1: house will be my legacy. This is what I want

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Speaker 1: to happen. I kind of want my this is my graceland.

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Speaker 1: How else can I say? You know, I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: even someday people would like to come and see it.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. I wanted to continue. I don't want this house,

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Speaker 1: so I've put that in my will. Okay, now, many

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Speaker 1: wanted downsize. Growing up, always wanted a big house, I

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Speaker 1: But what's it like living with so few p ballue

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Speaker 1: in such a big house. Well, it was full at

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Speaker 1: my kids were little, and then we had two people

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Speaker 1: and that was not nice at first. Of course, I

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Speaker 1: But he used to live, my son. So what I've

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Speaker 1: done now is I've made every rear dream, every single

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Speaker 1: Even on the third floor. I've made two of the

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Speaker 1: One of them became my mother's room. She's been gone

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Speaker 1: putting a cover. She got me, putting a pillow, she

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Speaker 1: got me putting pictures of her, putting a big portrait

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Speaker 1: of my mom and dad, and everybody calls that. The

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Speaker 1: You know. I don't know how that happened. But my

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Speaker 1: son uses one room for his guitar repair room. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's another bedroom on the third floor that my granddaughter

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Speaker 1: I got a patio out there, got a studio in

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Speaker 1: mys the oldest part of the house, and that's where

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Speaker 1: I write and I can't write anywhere else, and I've

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Speaker 1: tried it everywhere. That's my writing room. I got my guitar,

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Speaker 1: even though it's my main lounge and it should be

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Speaker 1: everything perfect. I've got all my guitars in there, you know.

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Speaker 1: I got my pen and my paper, my sheet music,

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Speaker 1: could stay close. It's important. Now your present husband is

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00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: a German concert promoter. Is that true? Correct? Okay? You

424
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: are an American transplanted to the UK. And although we

425
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: live more of a global village than we did, then

426
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: English people are different than American people. Yes, and then

427
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: one step beyond that is German. What's it like being

428
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: involved with a German guy? Oh? Well, okay, Germans Germans. Um.

429
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: The annoying thing about German people is how correct they are,

430
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: and if even if they're gonna fold up a piece

431
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: of paper and put it into an envelope, it's done perfectly.

432
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: And this can drive you mad. You know, German efficiency,

433
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: They really are efficient. I mean I one time was

434
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: standing in amber at a light. There was no cars

435
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: and I crossed, and the way they looked at me,

436
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get shot at Sunrise because

437
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: I went against the rules, you know. Um, yes, it's

438
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a strange match in that way

439
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: because I'm very Detroit, you know, and he's very German.

440
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: But he's been a promoter for many years and worked

441
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of American acts, a lot of British acts,

442
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: so you know bits of it, rub Off. I mean,

443
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: it was a big shock when I came here to England.

444
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's so different to America, but it were

445
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: it works somehow. I don't know the language, okay, but

446
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: he speaks, you know, many Germans do speak English. He

447
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: speaks You're very American, very upfront centered whatever, you know.

448
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: The English tend to be more reserved, at least with

449
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: their feelings. Okay, what is the general personality Since you're

450
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: so closely involved for decades with a German, obviously their

451
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: language is different and they're more rigid, as you say,

452
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: But are as the forthcoming as Americans? Are they like Americans?

453
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: Are they still different? Well? They they do speak their mind,

454
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: but they I think just by the nature of the

455
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: way the language sounds. It's a guttable language, you know.

456
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: I mean when when when when your husband says to

457
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: you and that means I love you. I mean, that

458
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: doesn't sound nice, doesn't you know what I mean? It

459
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. Um No, they're very straightforward, very straightforward.

460
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: They tend to be more harsh with their comments. They

461
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: don't pretty things up kind of boom you know at

462
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: this my husband does. Anyway, he's got a big mouth.

463
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: I got a big mouth too. So I am the

464
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: optimists and he's the pessimist, and so we we complete

465
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: the picture for each other. Does it bother you that

466
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: he's a pessimist. Well, it's actually part of my book

467
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: that I'm writing. But that's a fiction book. The fiction

468
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: book I created two main characters out of the six

469
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: psychology students, and one of them is called Penelope Perfect

470
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: and she's she's the optimist. And the other one is

471
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: called Max Morose. He's the bits, which I know he's

472
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna recognize himself. But tell you, Okay, now you're someone

473
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: who's reading Nietzsche, writing books, playing scrabble words with friends,

474
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: very into uh words. Yet you dropped out of high school.

475
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: So do you feel any inadequacy there, something you're covering

476
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: up for or that's not a factor whatsoever? Um? Well,

477
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I've always been clever, and I don't mind saying that

478
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: I'm a clever girl. Uh, I did leave school early,

479
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: and I have a unquenchable thirst for analogy. I always said,

480
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: maybe that is because I left early. But you know,

481
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: but then again, when I used to be at school

482
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: like Kenny Levn TV and all that, and the summer

483
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: vacation would start, I would go home and the next

484
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: day I would play school. Is that crazy? It is

485
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: to me? But keep going, that's not so? But um

486
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: saying that, Yeah, I'm very well read. Maybe it's to

487
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: make up for the fact that I did in grade

488
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: right high school. But I am now Dr Quatroll by

489
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: the way, officially, Okay, where'd you get your degree at Cambridge?

490
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: Honorary Doctor of Music? Wait? Wait, Cambridge like Oxford and Cambridge.

491
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I got made honorary Doctor of Music at Cambridge October

492
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. I am officially Doctor Quatroll. Okay, tell

493
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: me the backstory there. Well, they called me up and

494
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: they wrote to me and they said, we'd like to

495
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: honor you. Would you like to be honored? I said,

496
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I mean I say it on stage,

497
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I say, I say, I am officially Dr Quatro. You know,

498
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I was in tears. I was

499
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: in cap and gown, you know me. Wow. But that's

500
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: as good as it gets, I know. I mean, that's

501
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: better than Yale or Harvard, I mean Cambridge Oxford gets.

502
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the top. You banged the gong, as they say.

503
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I know, Dr Quatro, I can't believe it. Every time

504
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: I think about it. I'm allowed to use it in

505
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: my passport and I'm Dr Quatro. And when I stood

506
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: up to make my speech, my husband was in tears,

507
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: and I wanted to hold it all together. You know,

508
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: all these academics out there, Jay's McCambridge and at my

509
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: speech here. But I pushed it over. That's so much me.

510
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: I pushed it over and and I just started to talk.

511
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: And the basic gist of what I said was we all,

512
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: we all have a job in life, and every one

513
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: of us, and it doesn't matter rich, poor, black, white,

514
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We all have a job, and that's to

515
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: go inside and find that little light and turn it

516
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: on and let nobody ever switch it off. And then

517
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I started to cry, Oh dear, what a moment, What

518
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: a moment, I'll be forever proud of that, staying with

519
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: staying with education. Were you when you were in school

520
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: for a long time? Good student, bad student, class clown friends?

521
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: What was that like? I was a pretty good student. Um.

522
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: I excelled at believe it or not. You have music, English, um,

523
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: geography crap um, math crap, science and I didn't care

524
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: home economics I failed dreadfully. Um. Can you can you

525
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: cook today? I am not known from my cooking I do.

526
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I do my cooking in the bedroom. I used to

527
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: always say that. Um. I would say, Oh, my mother

528
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: kept for me all of bigfold, all the kids off

529
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: five kids, religiously, every report card, every immunization, you know,

530
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: and she gave it to us when we left home.

531
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: And I was looking at my report cards just the

532
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: other day, old ones, seventh eighth grade, and one of

533
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: the teachers had written, if Susie could concentrate a little

534
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: bit more instead of trying to be popular, she would

535
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: do very well. Well guess what. Guess what made me

536
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: famous trying to be popular? Yes, exactly, So she got

537
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: it wrong. Okay, you know you're talking about technical stuff.

538
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Before we began. Dudge says, you're pretty up on technical

539
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: and say no, no, no, and you're giving examples. So

540
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: how good are you with technical stuff? You ran that,

541
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: no problem. Well, you gotta remember my generation was not

542
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: a computer generation, so I had when I finally started

543
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: to learn it, I had to learn as you need

544
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: to learn kind of thing. I'm not too bad now,

545
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: you know. I can do certain things, but I get

546
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: things wrong. I mean I went into the studio the

547
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: other day when my son was recording with two other

548
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: guys in there, and I said, Richard, we need to

549
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: work on that one song. Did you get the stem cells?

550
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: And he just went and the best one, the best

551
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: one to see. I've told everybody this because it's amazing

552
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: that fifty eight years in the business that I could

553
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: do this. I was sitting in the and it's not

554
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: technical thing, it's it's something else, sitting in there with

555
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: my guitar, and I had this tuner right, and I

556
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: wasn't sure how to use it because I've never used

557
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: it before because I've had hits. So people tuned for me.

558
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: So anyway, I put this tuner on the tuning peg.

559
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: It's called the tuning peg tuner. That's what we've named it. Now.

560
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: It's a headstock tuner. But I didn't know this, so

561
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how you made it work. So

562
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: I figured it would pick up the vibrations from each string.

563
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Because I put it, don't even go there. I put

564
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: it on the tuning peg, and I'm and I've got

565
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: it on that and I'm following it around as I'm

566
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: tuning it to see how it's and my son came

567
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: in and he went, Mom, he screamed to me, and

568
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I went, what I knew I was doing something wrong?

569
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: He said, what do you do? I start up tuning

570
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: a Mom, it's a headstock tuner. Where do you think

571
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: you put it? I said? Oh? And you wouldn't believe

572
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: that somebody could do something so stupid. Do you normally

573
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: have common sense and these are just outliers or you're

574
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: not known for your common sense. I can be both.

575
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm extremely quick with it. I'm very clever, and I

576
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: can do really dumb things too. I'm just like that.

577
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: And it's only because in my brain I thought I

578
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: can figure this out. No, I couldn't. It made logical

579
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: sense to me, Oh don't. It's so embarrassing. How could

580
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I do that? It's a head stock tuner, but we

581
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: all call it now a tuning peg tuner. It's changed names. Okay,

582
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: let's go back to Detroit. So there are five kids

583
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: in the family. Not everybody is completely familiar with your history.

584
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: So where are you in the hierarchy? I I am

585
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: the fourth out of five, my eldest sister Artie, then

586
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: my brother Mickey, than Patty, than me, and then Nancy.

587
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: Then how many years between everybody? Oh? God, let me think.

588
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: My dad always called it his two wave of kids.

589
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: So are Lean and Mickey I think are two years apart,

590
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: and then there was like five or six years and

591
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: then Patty, me and Nancy. So you have the two,

592
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: and I think there was a couple of miscarriages in

593
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: there and stuff because my mom was always pregnant. I

594
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: think she had nine pregnancies and five kids. So yeah,

595
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: there's there those two and then the US three. And

596
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: those two were off married and the kids and everything.

597
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: And it was my elder sister, Patty and I that

598
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: started the band. Okay, you call him Mickey. For those

599
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: of us who don't know him, we call him Mike.

600
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: So was he Mickey or Michael? What's the story? We

601
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: always called him Mickey? But as I think, he always

602
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: went professionally as Michael Quadrille or Mike Quadrille, but us kids,

603
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: we always called him Mickey. I never called him Michael never. Okay,

604
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, how old were those kids?

605
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: The oldest two kids relatives to the next three kids. But, um,

606
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: let me see Arleen. Okay, Arlein, now is hang? I

607
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: gotta see, I'm dumb at Matt's seventy one. She's gonna

608
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: be eighty this year, so she's nine years older. Mickey

609
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: is seventy eight, Patty is I'm seventy one, Patty is

610
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: seventy four, and then Nancy is sixty nine. So the

611
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: three of us are worked together in those two Leans

612
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: nine years old and Mickey seven years older, and then

613
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: there was five years between Patty, me and Nancy. Okay,

614
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in a family with only

615
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: three kids. I'm the boy in between two girls, and

616
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: traditionally there's a middle child syndrome. Every child has a

617
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: different you know, psychology. So were you kind of lost

618
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: in the shuffle or did you get a lot of

619
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: attention where were you in the family. Um, I wrote

620
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: a lot of songs based on this. I talked about

621
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: a quite openly. I was UM, the square peg in

622
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: the round hole. Always. That's how I saw myself. I

623
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: mean a lot of its perception, you know, but that's

624
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: how I perceived it. I didn't fit anywhere my whole life.

625
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: I didn't fit anywhere. I didn't know where I fit

626
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: in the family. I didn't know where I fit in

627
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: the world. I didn't know where I fit um until

628
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: I but on stage that first time. That that's catting

629
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: it short, but that's the truth. Fourteen did our first gig.

630
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I remember getting up there with my basse and I

631
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: went in my head, I went, I'm home. Then I fit.

632
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: What happens when you don't fit anywhere? And when you

633
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: you're one of the crowd with five kids, you're one

634
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: of the crowd. You know, It's just how it is.

635
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: And Right says I was the Cinderella syndrome, that I

636
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: was the dark purse. Nobody better. I'm not so sure

637
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: if he's got that right, but maybe he does. But

638
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I know that the whole time I was growing up,

639
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: I was searching from my voice for what was like

640
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: the speech I made, for what my thing was. And

641
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: I noticed quite young, like maybe eight seven or eight

642
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: when we started to do family shows. We always did

643
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: family shows. My dad was a musician, and we would

644
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: sing and play and you know all that kind of stuff.

645
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: And I noticed very young that whenever I did my

646
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: little bit, whatever it might be, the room stopped and

647
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: watched me. And I remember going into my brain, I'm

648
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: good at this. I'm good at entertaining a crowd. I

649
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: knew it from very young. So I think that's how

650
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: my life developed after that. I could tell a joe,

651
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: I could do a sketch, I could act a scene.

652
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I could play bongles, I could play piano, I could

653
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I could reside a poem. So whatever I was doing,

654
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: it would hold hold the people. And that's kind of

655
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: like why I guess I did what I did. Okay,

656
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: so you're good on stage, needless to say, you can't

657
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: be on stage. No one can be on stage more

658
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: than like two hours. And I so if this late

659
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: date as your go older, what's it like being lost stage? Um?

660
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Do you mean right now? Well? I mean in your

661
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: life and your interior life. Okay, yeah, yeah, Um, well

662
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean I I give everything on stage. That's my

663
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: that's my love. I love entertaining UM, I'll never get

664
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: tired of It's still every gig, it's the same. Just

665
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: before I go out, I think, oh God, I hope

666
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: they liked me. That's always that same attitude when I'm

667
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: not on stage. I'm not on stage. That's the performing

668
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: part of my life. You know, I don't have to

669
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: be okay. But as I say, if let's assume I

670
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: dropped by and I said, Hey, we're gonna go hang

671
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: at people's houses and it's gonna be like fifteen people,

672
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: there is that something like you're gonna say, WHOA, this

673
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work for me, and say, oh, I want

674
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: to go. I'll talk to everybody, which which where do

675
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: you feel? Internally? Um, I'm more comfortable one to one.

676
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: And I've been told by a lot of different people

677
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: through the years that if they're having a dinner party

678
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: that they know that they can sit me anywhere and

679
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: I will start a conversation with who I'm with. I'm

680
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: not so comfortable walking into parties of people. I don't

681
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: know why. I feel a little bit shy. Believe it

682
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: or not, Yeah, I have. My mom always told me

683
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: that I was a very shy little girl. There you go,

684
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: so I guess it's my alter ego, but it is.

685
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: But I am. I am the kind too. It depends

686
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: dinner parties. I'm great at you know, when you can

687
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: sit and talk, you have your one to once. You know,

688
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't have to take the stage and be Susie

689
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Quatroll when I'm out with a bunch of people. I

690
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: don't like doing that. In fact, I've been to a

691
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: couple of parties where they said sing and I've said, no,

692
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: you and if I did me, didn't you me? That

693
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: annoys me. You know that they expect you to sing

694
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: for your supper. If I hones sing, I will. You know,

695
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't need to be asked. I'll say hey, and

696
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: I'll do what I want to do. But don't don't

697
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: expect me to do that otherwise, you know, I'm I'm

698
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: like a monkey, like a performing monkey, and that's not

699
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: who I am. Have a real thing about going out

700
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: with people, like after a show, for dinner somewhere, if

701
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: there's friends and stuff, because it's just you have to

702
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: perform because he's still being Susie Quatra. So I do

703
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: separate the two. That's why I have the ego room.

704
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: And if you read my autobiography, um unzipped. It's written

705
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: in two people, Little Susie from Detroit and Susie Quatro,

706
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: and all the way through the book, both people have

707
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: their say and it's important. Okay. A lot of rock

708
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: stars do it for acceptance. A lot of performers do

709
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: it for acceptance, looking for the love that they didn't get,

710
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: maybe from their parents, or the accepted they didn't get one.

711
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: Was that an issue too? How are you internally? Are

712
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: you still looking for that acceptance? Are you comfortable in

713
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: your own skin? I'm comfortable in my skin, but I

714
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: think that that that there is a a need in me.

715
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: It's in my heart and soul. There's a need in

716
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: me to go out there and do my show. I

717
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: love doing it, you know, and I many times I'm

718
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: up there and I'm being very honest with you. Um,

719
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I'll be up there doing a show and I'll think,

720
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I'll think to myself, and you're paying me for this.

721
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: I love entertaining. I love seeing people come in maybe

722
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: you know Saturday night crowd like that, you know, and

723
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: then the swinging from the rafts. I love it. I

724
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: love what I do. I love having a good conversation

725
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: with somebody. But I won't do small talk, so be warned.

726
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't I do not do small talk. If we're

727
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: going to converse, we're both gonna remember it. And that's

728
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: how I treat my life. Okay, you said you're very

729
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: much as Detroit girl to find that. Uh, there's an edge,

730
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: There's an energy, there's an acceptance of all the different

731
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: things that Detroit has to offer. There's an electric there's

732
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: a danger element in Detroit. I think just about and

733
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I've had this talk with many other Detroit musicians. Um,

734
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: there's something in the air there. And and if you

735
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: look at a lot of the people, a lot of

736
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: the musicians to come out of Detroit, you'll you will

737
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: see a similarity. You got me, Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop,

738
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: MC five, Bob Seeger, eminem Kid Rock, White Stripes, God

739
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: am I forgetting any bocaby, a million people, um, Ted

740
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Nugent Uh. And then you got all your motown but

741
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: all the ones I just said, there's there's something that

742
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: fits there. You know, it's an edge. Okay. You know,

743
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: as I say, this is an audio podcast, but we're

744
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: looking each other via zoom in order to facilitate conversation

745
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: and as you move your hands, I notice you do

746
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: not wear a wedding ring. Do you never wear a

747
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: wedding ring? What's that about? Um? I got into the

748
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: habit of not wearing rings at about the age of

749
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: fourteen when I had on a cheap ring and I

750
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: was slapping my bass and it broke off and went

751
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: into my finger. So, because I played bass, I very

752
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: often don't wear rings at all. If I go off

753
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: for dinner, I might put it on, but it don't

754
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: wear a wedding ring. Now, I don't need to. I've

755
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: never felt the need to wear one. Now I feel

756
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: the similar. Had a similar experience. I went to a

757
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: dude ranch with my parents and we got a ring

758
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: made out of like a horseshoe nail. And of course

759
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: when you're a little kid, you're growing and I had

760
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: such a hard time getting it off. Never wore rings

761
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, it's scar does want anything like that? Yeah? So,

762
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean it actually went because it was a cheap one,

763
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: it actually it into my finger. I thought, I don't

764
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: need this. So I can never wear any jewelry when

765
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I play, And so I guess maybe it's only when

766
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm going out for dinner or something, and I have

767
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of nice jewelry. I'll put my jewelry on,

768
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: you know. But now I've never been a wedding leen wearer. Now, okay,

769
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: So you say you grew up your father was a musician,

770
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: you're playing. To what degree did you take lessons on

771
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: any instrument? Um? I started on bongo drums at the

772
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: age of seven, begged my dad to get me a pair.

773
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a hippie and a coffee house,

774
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes, playing bongos and reading my poetry. Okay, Um

775
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: so I used to go with my dad at the

776
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: age of seven, round eight when I started to get

777
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: quite good, and let me sit in front of the trio.

778
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: Then I took classical piano for eight years at least.

779
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: Then yeah, oh yeah, I read. I read and write

780
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: and play classical piano, and I also took percussion. I

781
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: was in the school orchestra, first chair in the percussion section.

782
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: Uh so I'm trained in piano and percussion, and then

783
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: at fourteen self taught on base. Okay. So, for many

784
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: peep Benny Boomers, the line of demarcations the Beatles by

785
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: the same token. There was a lot of popular music,

786
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: as you mentioned Motown, etcetera happening in Detroit. What do

787
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: you mean what turned on your lights? Obviously you came

788
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: from musical family, but what were the records for the

789
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: type of music that all of a sudden you said, Man,

790
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I just got to go in this direction. Yeah, I

791
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: got some pivotal moments that are very important. Um, five

792
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: and a half, I was watching the Ed Sullivan Show

793
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: with the family, like we all did, eight o'clock at night.

794
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Everything stopped Sunday at Sullivan and um, you know, he

795
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: always would bring on something for the youngsters at the

796
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: end of the show. And this particular night, Elvis came

797
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: on and he was doing Don't Be Cruel. And my

798
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: eldest sister by nine years, she was survited age. She

799
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: was screaming, and I remember, like it was yesterday. I

800
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: looked at her and I thought, cent, what's the matter

801
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: with you? I was only a little girl. And then

802
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: I looked back at the TV and I went into

803
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: the screen. I went into it and lightbulb moment. I'm

804
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Don't ask me why, but it happened

805
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: that age. Wow, And he stayed with me my whole life.

806
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a whole of this whole other interview.

807
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: There's like nine elvous epiphanies that you can't write. And

808
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: then at fourteen, we were watching at Sullivan again and

809
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: the Beatles came on, and as soon as they were finished,

810
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: we called our two two friends, sisters and another girl.

811
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: Everybody's on the phone and we were all oh eyeing

812
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: over the Beatles, and Patty said, my older sister, she said, hey,

813
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: why don't we have an all girl band? And everybody

814
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: said yeah, great, great, great, great great. Everybody chose an

815
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: instrument real quick. I want rhythm, I want drums, I

816
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: want piano, I want lead, and I wait hello, and

817
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: Patty said to me, you'll play bass, okay? And I

818
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: did you know? I find base unfathomable, especially forget to

819
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: stand up base, but just in a regular guitar base.

820
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: A lot of legendary basses play without frets. Uh, how

821
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: do you learn him? How do you do it? What

822
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: without fritz? No? Just base in general? Oh god, I

823
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: didn't even think about it. Um. When I was little,

824
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I used to put a broomstick and put rubber bands

825
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: like that, and betime I was doing this. Um, My

826
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: dad gave me precision to start with. That's like the

827
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Rolls Royce of bass guitars. Um. I didn't know that

828
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: there were smaller bass guitarist. All I knew was this

829
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: is what he gave me to learn, so I learned it.

830
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a big bass, but I

831
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of felt real comfortable with it right away because

832
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: don't forget, I'm a percussionist and a pianist, and they're

833
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: both percussion. Pianos is classed as a percussive instrument, so

834
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: that's where my brain is anyway. Um, And because I

835
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: learned the bass and became lead singer together, it wasn't

836
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: difficult because I was playing a singing so everything off.

837
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: I learned this and I learned it just fit fitted

838
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: together like a jigsaw puzzle, and bass became my favorite

839
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: stage instrument. Oh right away. I fell in love with

840
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: it very much suited me. Okay, so it's February, the

841
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Beatles are on TV. You get on the phone. What

842
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: is the next step with the group. Then we decided

843
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: we were gonna have the band. Um, Like I said,

844
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: I got my bass from my dad. NaN's parents bought

845
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: her a bass drum and a snare drum in one

846
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: symbol because they weren't sure if she was serious. Patty

847
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: got a cheap guitar, Mary Lew got a cheap guitar.

848
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Diane got a little funky little world sir. And we

849
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: started to rehearse, and we talked to my sister, talked

850
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: to the owner of the hideout, which was the local

851
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: dance all that everybody went in too, to let us

852
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: do a gig there in a month's time, a month

853
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: a month and we what We only learned three songs

854
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: and they were the same three chords, so we played

855
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: it safe and yeah, we were up a month later. Wow,

856
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: And that was that was a real wake up call

857
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: for me, you know, to be up there and I

858
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: really what wait wait wait what were the three songs? Oh?

859
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Latin Blu twist and shout and long talk text And

860
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: so you get up and you play. What's the reception? Like?

861
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: It was fantastic? And did you sing longfall text in

862
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: like the record? Yeah? Well I'm alone tall text in,

863
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: I ride a bit? Why or is he cons on

864
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: texas sound a big don't? But oh yeah, I did

865
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: it all. I was the lead singer, I was in front,

866
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: the whole front person. I didn of the songs singing.

867
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: So after that great debut, what happened with the act?

868
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: We then started to play colleges teen dances. Um, the

869
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: drummer went off to college. We went off to ann

870
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: Arbor every weekend to play the Friday T G I

871
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: F parties and all that. UM. Then one person dropped out.

872
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Then another person dropped out in my elder sister Arlene,

873
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: who was married to three kids. She joined the band

874
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: and her first husband out of seven I love saying

875
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: that he started to manage the band, so he left

876
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: his job and he had to support three kids on

877
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: what we earned. So we worked and we started to

878
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: become a show band, UM with costumes, playing all the clubs,

879
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, doing five sets a night. That was pretty normal,

880
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: forty five on, fifteen off. And we worked all the time.

881
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: We worked more than the guys did. And we went

882
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: into club land, you know, we were a show banding

883
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: club land. That's where I learned my craft. How much

884
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: money were you making? Well, I remember being seventeen eighteen

885
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: and earning a thousand dollars a week, which was pretty

886
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: good back then. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I mean he,

887
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: like I said, he had to earn a living. You know.

888
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: So he got us good money and we were an

889
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: all go a band, so we were different, we were

890
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: unique and it was easy to book us and we

891
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: went coast to coast NonStop. I was on the road

892
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: from fourteen until last year because of the pandemic. Okay,

893
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: so how did you decide to drop out of high school?

894
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: I was in New York. We were playing Trudi Heller's

895
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: in Greenwich Village, fantastic and see end of the summer,

896
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: it was time for me to go back and finish

897
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: my school. And I was sitting on the bed in

898
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: my hotel and little tiny single bed. I called home

899
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: collect of course, and uh, I remember because my dad

900
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: got on the phone and my mother got on the

901
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: extension and I said, Dad, I think I found what

902
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: I want to do for the rest of my life

903
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want to come back and finished school.

904
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: And there was a real silence, and then he said,

905
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: is there anything I can say to change your mind?

906
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: And I said nope, And he quietly put the phone down.

907
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: He cut me off, but he didn't do it mad.

908
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: He just went click. And how clever, How clever because

909
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: I had made this statement and he didn't yell at me.

910
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: It's almost like click, you better think about that. And

911
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: I did. I said, on to bed for about maybe

912
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: twenty minutes or so, and I'm out. I'm out of here.

913
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Never regretted it, not for a second. Okay, so this

914
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: is in the heyday of beans. People have no idea

915
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: what it was like. There was no internet. Everybody picked

916
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: up an instrument after the Beatles, there were bands battle

917
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: of the Beans everywhere. So now you're a professional, what

918
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: is your life and career look like? And are your

919
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: dreams bigger than being in a show band playing clubs? Um?

920
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: I loved the Pleasure Seekers. It was a fun band,

921
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: and I was learning all the time. I was enjoying

922
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: the You know, my god, how I learned how to

923
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: use my throat without losing your five shows a night. Um.

924
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: But I didn't care about it being all girls. But

925
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't do gender. Actually I never have. I've never

926
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: I've never thought of myself as a female musician. That's

927
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 1: why when I looked at Elvis, I said, I'm gonna

928
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: do that. Never thought about it being a guy. I

929
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: just don't do gender. Um. I was a tomboy when

930
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: I was growing up. But I remember a pivot another

931
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: pivotal moment. We were setting up the equipment because because

932
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: sorry about that, setting up the equipment because some we

933
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: didn't have a ROADI couldn't afford one. And the lights

934
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: were growing up and all that, and we were carrying

935
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: in all of us, the Hammond Oregon, the Hammond organ

936
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: and my our manager, my sister's husband. He said, now

937
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: you girls, you girls do realize that all the lights

938
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: have to go on, Susie, I didn't say that. He

939
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: said that. I remember being quite uncomfortable with that. Actually,

940
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, that didn't come from my mouth. I was like,

941
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: what do you say? But I always kind of knew that,

942
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: Um not kind of. I knew that somebody one day

943
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: was gonna tap me on the shoulder and sec I

944
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: just knew. I knew it. I had a feeling. So

945
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: I was learning and enjoy being with everybody, and then

946
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: and then the call came. I had dreams of every

947
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: I guess dreams of I don't like the words startom.

948
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it has negative connotations. I wanted to be

949
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: well known. I wanted everybody to endure my music. I

950
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to reach a lot of people.

951
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I wanted to be somebody. Okay, what were

952
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: you doing with all the money? Oh that I was

953
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: baking back then? Uh, buying clothes, got some guitars. God it.

954
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: It didn't last that long. That big money didn't last

955
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: that long because Leonder ain't got divorced. So when he

956
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: stopped managing us, we didn't. We didn't end up doing

957
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: quite as well. He was a good manager. I have

958
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: to say he did well. Um, and we still lived

959
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: at home. You know, I can't say I got reaching

960
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: either of those fans pleasure seekers or cread or not really. Okay,

961
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: we live in the me too era. You're a teenage

962
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: girl working in nightclubs across America? What is that like?

963
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had some experiences were not that comfortable

964
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: many times. Um. I luckily what I lack in stature

965
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: I make up for in mouth. So I learned very

966
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: young to put somebody verbally in their place, and I

967
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: could do it very easy. Believe me, you don't recover. Um. Sure,

968
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: there's been a few incidents, is yeah. One time. I

969
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: remember one time when guy was at the front of

970
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: the stage watching the band, and he made this rude

971
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: tongue gesture you know what I mean, And I took

972
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: my base as it was part of the show, and

973
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: I whacked him over the head with it, and then

974
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: I just had that little innocent look that I'm so

975
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: great at, you know. Oh sorry, Okay, you paint a

976
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: picture of a rambunctious, spinning top tom boy. Needless to say,

977
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: the young men go on the road frequently with the

978
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: intention of having sex. Were you sexually experienced? Was this

979
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: something that was off the table? How did this fit

980
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: in because on some level you were selling sex to

981
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: boot Yeah? Yeah, sure. I had a boyfriend of fourteen.

982
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: We're still in contact now, really good boyfriend. Uh. Then

983
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't very experienced at all. No, quite green. Actually

984
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I talked to a good game, you know. I then

985
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: fell in love with a married man like you do.

986
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: You know he broke my heart. Yeah I didn't. I

987
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't have that many boyfriends. I didn't. No, we were

988
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: all quite square that way. My mom and there were Catholic.

989
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: My mother was very strict, and that actually gave me

990
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: real good tracks to run down. I wasn't one of

991
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: these sex drugs in rock and roll grow like it

992
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: was just for the stage, but offstage, quite quite square.

993
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: My chapman or he says that that I'm doing quite

994
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: square of stage. And I believe in if you're in

995
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: a relationship, you're in a relationship. I believe in monogony.

996
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: I believe in being. If you're with one person, be

997
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: with one person. Otherwise, don't be with one person, you know.

998
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: But I had fun, I had enough fun. But I

999
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't promiscuous by any stretch of the imagination. That

1000
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: just wasn't me. In fact, the joke amongst all the

1001
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: male musicians in Detroit was that you couldn't get near

1002
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: the quadrulls. That it was quite funny. Uh no, not

1003
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: not permissing. I'm quite square to the question of drugs

1004
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: and alcohol. No, In fact, I didn't even get drunk

1005
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: until I was twenty two when I met my ex

1006
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: husband and he said me, you've never been drunk. Maybe

1007
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: I had some beers back in the teenagers, but it

1008
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't a drinker. Um. And I had my first

1009
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: drunk with my ex houseman and he took me out

1010
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: to her the Greek restaurant. We had wine and I

1011
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: was dancing on the tables. That's funny. And what about drugs,

1012
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: the normal pop stuff that you do in the in

1013
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: the I was the sixties teenagers, so the drinking parties

1014
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: were in fact pop parties, you know. But unfortunately, unfortunately,

1015
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that when I smoke dope

1016
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: it makes me speedy, and I'm speedy anyway. And everybody's

1017
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: I remember going to I never forget at a pivotal

1018
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: moment in my life again, big pot party where at

1019
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: everybody's smoking. Everybody's like like this, you know, laying around

1020
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: like you do, nobody talking, and I'm going person to person. Yeah,

1021
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: And I heard somebody say to somebody else, next time

1022
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: you come, don't bring her oh wounded. And as the

1023
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: late seventies hit in in the eighties, come on, it's

1024
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: a big cocaine scene. Were you ever doing coke or

1025
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: were you just a marijuana girl? I didn't even hardy

1026
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: do dope once I saw what it did to me.

1027
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: UM never never not interested. UM. I'm not one of

1028
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: these people that would ever take a drink, even to

1029
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: this day. Although I like a glass of wine, glass

1030
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: of champagne absolutely, um, and I have a good collection

1031
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: and I'm a snub with wines in champagne like good stuff. UM.

1032
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: Never have needed anything to go on to a stage,

1033
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: and in fact, I don't like it when people do

1034
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: need something. Cocaine just didn't interest to me whatsoever. I've

1035
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people waste a lot of money

1036
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: up there nose. You know, no, thank you, not for me. Okay,

1037
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: So you're in the Pleasure Seekers, you ultimately make records.

1038
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: Then the band morshed into cradle. You know, that was

1039
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: a time where there was a clear line between It's

1040
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: not like today where anybody can make a record. There

1041
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: was a clear line between the people who were happening

1042
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: on the radio had deals and the bands were playing

1043
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: in clubs. What were your thoughts into what degree were

1044
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: you're optimistic? Into what degree were you frustrated? Um? Yeah,

1045
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: we got signed by Mercury. We made a few sides,

1046
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: but that didn't work out. Because this is the Pleasure Seekers.

1047
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: They didn't want us to actually play our instruments on

1048
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: the record, and we all didn't like that at all,

1049
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: so we left the company. Um. Then there was an

1050
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: incident where my brother booked us on his one of

1051
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: his festivals that he started to do, and uh, we

1052
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: we're a custom wearing show band, and we went onto

1053
01:02:52,600 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: this hippie festival and we died. We died with our stage.

1054
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: We were a show band and it was a bit

1055
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: of a shock because we always did great at clubs.

1056
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, everybody loved us. So we had a big

1057
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: discussion after that, and it was a case of changing

1058
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: the band around, getting heavy, writing our own material. I

1059
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: would take a step back and mainly just play bass.

1060
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: A little sister would come in and start singing, and

1061
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: it became a serious jamming band, long hair and ty

1062
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: dyed T shirts and one of those. And I didn't

1063
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: like that at all. We couldn't get signed, and we

1064
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: didn't really have record success in either band, not really

1065
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: um and it was the cradle the band, the second

1066
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: wave of the pleasure Seekers, where the two record companies

1067
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: came and saw us both in one week of each other.

1068
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: Electorate Records came to Detroit, saw the band, didn't like

1069
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: the band whatsoever, offered me a solo contract, and that

1070
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: very same week, Mickey Most came to Detroit, saw the

1071
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: band didn't like the band whatsoever, and offered me a

1072
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: solo contract. So yeah, there was definitely a line between

1073
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: we're king unit and recording. Yeah, it was srd to

1074
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: get signed back then, but like I said, I witness

1075
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: a solo with Mickey Most and the rest is history.

1076
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, how depressed were you when the band

1077
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: more than the Cradle and you're no longer the lead singer.

1078
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: I took it with a little bit of philosophical attitude.

1079
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I could see the reasons she's more

1080
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 1: in tune with that sort of happening things. She's that age,

1081
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: and she video is a little bit heavier and blah

1082
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: blah blah um. And then I thought that it would

1083
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: be a great opportunity to learn my base really well.

1084
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: So I became really proficient on my bass guitar. But

1085
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: the joy went out for me. I have to say,

1086
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm better as I'm a fun person by nature. So

1087
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really enjoy my time in that band at all.

1088
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: And I didn't like the root it took musically how

1089
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: much heavier and we have to say something politically and

1090
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: blah blah, No, no, I don't want to do that,

1091
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: you know. So um, Like I said, when the two

1092
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: offers came with an week, it was to me a

1093
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: no brainer that it was my time to move on.

1094
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: In that interroom. Before you got those two offers, do

1095
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: you ever think of giving up. No, I'm gonna make

1096
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: it no matter what, no matter what. Never for an instant,

1097
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 1: even in London, living in a room that was about

1098
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: as big as this chair, with nobody, you know, just

1099
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: my contract, and going to the studio every day with

1100
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: my less Paul recording basement way more than I did,

1101
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: crying myself to sleep every night, very lonely. Never did

1102
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: I consider giving up. I was always going where I

1103
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: was going. In fact, I've still got that exact same

1104
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: fire in my belly that I had then. It hasn't

1105
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: hasn't dissipated, even even with all the success, It's still

1106
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: not going. So I guess that's just my nature. Okay,

1107
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: when you're there and your brother Mike brings Mickey mo

1108
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: most to you, what goes through your brain? Um? After

1109
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: after Okay, I just knew it. Mickey was watching and

1110
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Nancy was singing, and I walked up and I did

1111
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: two songs. And I remember it because I knew he

1112
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: was there, and I was a big as a big

1113
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: fan of his production. I was a huge Donovan fan,

1114
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: so I loved Mickey's productions, loved him. Um and I remember,

1115
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: I said, I remember doing it. I went here's what

1116
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: I wrote. It's called brain confusion. And then after that

1117
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: I went going to a party at the County and

1118
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: I knew exactly and after the show, he just went

1119
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: like this to me. I just had the feeling, you know,

1120
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: And he said to me, how would you like to

1121
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: come to You gonna make a record? But I thought

1122
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: he meant the band. He didn't mean the band, and

1123
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: and that's a It's in my documentary. It's a well

1124
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: documented story. Um. He flew Mickey to New York to

1125
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: talk to him, and Mickey came back with the news.

1126
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: But nobody told me that he didn't want the band.

1127
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: He only wanted me, And nobody told me that news.

1128
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: So I could have missed my shot. But about three

1129
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: or four months later, the band started to disintegrate, and

1130
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: I rode my bike to my eldest sister at Need's house,

1131
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: who wasn't in the band anymore for quite a while.

1132
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: She was on husband number two then, and I was

1133
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: really upset. I said, what am I gonna do? This band?

1134
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: The band is my whole life. Music is what am

1135
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: I gonna do? She said? Called Mickey, I said, why

1136
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: why I've been sending him stuff with the band and

1137
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, and she said he likes you. I said, well,

1138
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: what do he means? She said, he just only wanted you, Susie.

1139
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: And I went what I had, no idea, no idea.

1140
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: I could have missed my shot. That's not right. They

1141
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: should have told me, um. I mean, I know why

1142
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: they didn't. Obviously they will hope me. He's going to

1143
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: take the whole band, of course. But I called him

1144
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: did that that day and he said, I understand because

1145
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: they didn't want to break up the family band. You

1146
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: say he wanted it. He thought it was out his

1147
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: last legs anyway, and he said to me, uh oh,

1148
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: so the band is going to be split and I

1149
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: said yeah. I said good, you're ready to come over.

1150
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: I said, yep, done, okay slowly you're in Detroit. You

1151
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: literally called Mickey most in England. Yeah, okay. That was

1152
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: when the transatlantic phone call was a really big deal. Second,

1153
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: I know, and he took the call right away. I

1154
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: just said, Sissor Quadro called Mickey out, Hello, Susie Quadri.

1155
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: He always called me Susie Quadra. Okay, how long thereafter

1156
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: do you end up in London? And where there's any

1157
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: anxiety about going to London, what your parents and peers

1158
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: have to say. Well, I had the two offers on

1159
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: the table. Electric Records wanted to take me to New

1160
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: York and put a mail band around me and turned

1161
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: me into the next Janis Chapham, which I didn't like

1162
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: it at all, And Mickey Mo said, come to London,

1163
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: we'll record an album who used the best musicians, and

1164
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: I'll make you the first Susie Quadrum. So he saw me,

1165
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: but I went to I had to think about it,

1166
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: and I went to my parents bedroom and my mom

1167
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: was sitting on a chair and my dad was sitting

1168
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: on the bed and we were talking, and I said,

1169
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: I've had the two offers. Uh, I'm going to take

1170
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: the English offer. And then my mom started to cry

1171
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: because it was going to be so far away. And

1172
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: my dad said something to me that forever pushed me.

1173
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: He said, you do realize, of course, that your sisters

1174
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: won't make it without you. Wow. Talk about a heavy

1175
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: burden to carry, you know, I don't even I think

1176
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: it must have taken me maybe ten years to even

1177
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: join my Hit Records. I always felt bad, so he

1178
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: shouldn't have put that mean, but he did. But at

1179
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: the same time. He was giving me quite a compliment,

1180
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: but it really was a heavy load that I carried,

1181
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: that really heavy. Okay, so what exact year he moved

1182
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: to England. I arrived October thirty one nine. Okay, so

1183
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: you're twenty one years old. Did they have an apartment

1184
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: for you? What is your life look like now you're

1185
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: in England? They put me in like a little hotel

1186
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: um with a small room, a tiny bed, no bathroom,

1187
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: a mirror with a cracked a sink with a cracked mirror,

1188
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: and a dirty window. Not a nice room. Not a

1189
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: nice room. And I had come from a beautiful home

1190
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: and gross Point Whids, you know, cross Point Farms actually

1191
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: at that point. Um wow, I spent so much a

1192
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: long time there then, Like I said, I used to

1193
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: cry myself to sleep every night, but I kept thinking

1194
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: to myself, this is my pay, my due is part

1195
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: of my life and I will make it. And I

1196
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: promised myself I would not go back to Detroit without

1197
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: hate records. Okay, you talk about low moments during that year.

1198
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, now you've got a lot of the whole

1199
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: life look back upon. Do you have low moments? Do

1200
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: you get depressed or those times that never really happened

1201
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: to Susie Quadro Oh gosh. I get those all the time.

1202
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 1: But as an artist, they're my favorite moments because I create.

1203
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a poetry book. I've got a

1204
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: lyric book. I've just got an Instagram book. A year

1205
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: on lockdown, I'm writing songs all the time. Whenever anything

1206
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 1: happens to me, I let it. I'm the kind of

1207
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: girl that walks through the fire I do. I let

1208
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: it burn, and I come out of the other side,

1209
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: and then I will either put it in a poem

1210
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: or a song. I get lots of low moments, but

1211
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: luckily I'm I'm basically a glass offtball person. Basically I

1212
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: am so the low more and they don't stay long.

1213
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: I get them out. You have to get them out.

1214
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: At one time, I was not you know this book.

1215
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: I just put up called them through my Thoughts Coffee

1216
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: table my third in my series of coffee table books,

1217
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: and it was on a year long of lockdown, so

1218
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: it was like a year in lockdown. I did Instagram

1219
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 1: and I made it into a book with some narrative,

1220
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: just put it out and one one one that I

1221
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: wrote which every morning I wake up, lockdown, can't see

1222
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: my husband, he's in Germany, so really alone, couldn't see

1223
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: my kids alone. And I would wake up every morning

1224
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: religioucy from March to March to one figure out what

1225
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: my day is like, find the right picture and the

1226
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: right uplifting message or maybe not uplifting, however, I was

1227
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: feeling with short message. One message, I wrote, oh, you know, hello,

1228
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: good morning, and this and them about it up um

1229
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: and depression. Don't come knock on itt my door. You're

1230
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: not getting in. That was in the more. At midnight,

1231
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: I hit the wall, and I mean I hit the wall.

1232
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't stop crying. So my

1233
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: next Instagram the next day was smartass shut up you

1234
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: know really, I said, uh, I'm sharing this with everybody

1235
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: because obviously the depression was skirting around the edges of

1236
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: my mind and I was I was be at all

1237
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: ha ha. I said, it didn't even knock on the door.

1238
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: It just came in, you know. And it's okay to cry,

1239
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: It's okay to hit that wall, which we all have

1240
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 1: to do. You shouldn't stop it. I felt better after crying,

1241
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, I've hit the wall a lot

1242
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: of times during this, but I bounced back. I just

1243
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: you say your husband was in Germany. Was that just

1244
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: during lockdown or do you spend a lot of time

1245
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: a part normally. Well, he lives in Germany and I

1246
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: live in England. And for the past twenty seven years

1247
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: that's worked beautifully because here's ten minutes from the airport

1248
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: in Hamburg, and I have ten minutes from the airport

1249
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: here fifteen minutes and we just and we were and

1250
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: he goes on the road with me, he has done

1251
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: since he retired from his promoting. He just looks after me.

1252
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: So we go on the road. Um, you're coming here?

1253
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: Am I coming there? That's the life we've had. Were

1254
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: either going somewhere together or he's coming here and I'm

1255
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: going there. And then all of a sudden, lockdown and

1256
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: that was over. So all of a sudden, I am

1257
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: alone and so we see and we had only skype,

1258
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: only skype. So every morning tears, you know, tears. It's

1259
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: been really hard. And I can't go over there with

1260
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: him full time, and he can't be here full time

1261
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: because this is my house and that's his. So everything

1262
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: is the way we like it, you know, So we've

1263
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: we've managed to make it through. It's easing up a

1264
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: bit now. Five months apart last year all together, and

1265
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: three months so far this year. He's coming over on

1266
01:14:53,600 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: Sunday pre COVID. If there are three hundred and sixty

1267
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: five nights in a year, how many are you together? Um?

1268
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: We usually are a part for maybe together two and

1269
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: a half weeks apart for two and a half to

1270
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: two weeks. Two weeks and two weeks. It probably averages

1271
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: out like that. And has it been that from day

1272
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: one in the relationship yet? I didn't think I would

1273
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: like that, you know. And he was the one. He

1274
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: kept saying, oh, a lot of a lot of professional

1275
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: couples lived this way, blah blah blah. And now you know,

1276
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: it's just like when I said, depression, you're not coming

1277
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: in ha ha. He hates it, and I'm fine, and

1278
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm actually fine with it. So he's the

1279
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: one hating it now and I'm the one that's saying

1280
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: it's fine. Okay, So you're in this little hotel room.

1281
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: What are you literally doing professionally? For that next year?

1282
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: We are recording Mickey signed me as a singer song.

1283
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: We're writing a musician. Um, so I'm writing all the time.

1284
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: He got me a little studio to work in with

1285
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: the piano and an amp and a bass, and I'm writing,

1286
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: and we're in the studio with some big people, Um,

1287
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: Peter Frampton playing on some of my stuff, Big Jim

1288
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: Sullivan on guitar, Alan White on the drums. From Yes.

1289
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we had serious people me on the base

1290
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: so making stuff. Um, but it was a very Mickey

1291
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: would be the first rest in peace. Mickey. He would

1292
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: be the first to say he never was quite sure

1293
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: how to get me on record. He knew what he

1294
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: knew what I was, and he didn't know what I was.

1295
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: He was always searching, and you know, so we weren't

1296
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: making the right kind of records. And finally, after about

1297
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: oh a year, mab a year and a half, I said,

1298
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: I've been advanced since I've been fourteen, Mickey, you know

1299
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: that's what I do. I said, I need to get

1300
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: a band here and start working because I'm going crazy,

1301
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: you know. He said, okay, So I auditioned and I

1302
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: got a band. That was the turning point for me. Um.

1303
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: He put us on the circuit, on the college circuit,

1304
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: doing all my own materials. So really, now I'm developing.

1305
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: I got my band, you know, now everything's making sense.

1306
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,919
Speaker 1: And uh. Then we went on the first ever national

1307
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: Slade tour and they were having hits before I had mine.

1308
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 1: Mickey called his friend Chase Chandler, who used to be

1309
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: bass player for The Animals, and he said, I got

1310
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: this girl. She's gonna be huge. Can you put her

1311
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: on opening the show? He said sure, So I had

1312
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: twenty minutes at the beginning of every show, then then

1313
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: Lizzie and then Slade and all my own stuff. And

1314
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: by the time that tour was over, I was in

1315
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: love with my guitar player. We wanted to get married,

1316
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: and the band had a sound, had a sound we

1317
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: had developed. Obviously, you're playing every night, you're gonna find

1318
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: your sound. And Mickey then had just signed Chinn and

1319
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: Chapman songwriters, and he said to me, do your mind,

1320
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: because I'm the songwriter. He said, do your mind if

1321
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: they come along and see a show and try to

1322
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: craft a hit single out of your sound. And I said,

1323
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't mind whatsoever. The good writers, you know, So

1324
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: they came and heard and if you hear the first album,

1325
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: you'll hear all my stuff is to do is very boogish,

1326
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: you know. So they heard what we did, they heard

1327
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: the set, and they went away WI can the Camp

1328
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: And that was my first number one. A little bit

1329
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: slower he gets them, they see you live. Tell us

1330
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: about the creation of can the Camp. Uh, Mike came

1331
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: in with this. If you want, don't ever give Mike

1332
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: a guitar because he's on eleven all the time and

1333
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: he likes screeching, you know. But anyway, he heard the sound,

1334
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: he came. But he came up with this demo of

1335
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: just lots and lots of noise and guitarist and him singing,

1336
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: and he played it for us and we liked it,

1337
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: and we down into the rehearsal room at the record company,

1338
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: all of the all of us musicians, and we worked

1339
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: on the arrangement of this song. So the drummer came

1340
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: up with to do. He came up with that excellent um.

1341
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: Lenny came up with his little choppy way of playing it,

1342
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 1: and I came up with the nice boogie base line.

1343
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: And we had a great great keyboard player, Alistair. Oh.

1344
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: He was so good. He's he's called so many of

1345
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: them are dead. Anyway, he came up with that, and

1346
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: it all took shape very quickly. The band, everybody put

1347
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: their stamp on it with their instrument, and then Mike

1348
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: said to me, sing it here, and I sang it,

1349
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: and he went sing it here. By saying it, sing

1350
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: it here, I said, Mike, that's the top of my range.

1351
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: He said, that's where it's gonna be. So he took

1352
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: me right up. He said, something happens to your voice

1353
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: up in that register. Took me right up there. And

1354
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: when we were making it in the studio, I put

1355
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: the doom do, which really became a real key factor.

1356
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: That was Lenny's idea to doom with do do do

1357
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: a medal base rift there. And then when we were done,

1358
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: I've done the vocal and everything, and Mike said I

1359
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: need something just here, and I went right and I

1360
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: went out. I did my famous I've been doing it

1361
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: since I've been fourteen, my famous scream. And it's a

1362
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: good one. It really is. Makes the hairs on the

1363
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: back of here that going. Max said, that's the magic.

1364
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: So how long did it take to cut the record?

1365
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: And how long after that was it released to the marketplace?

1366
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: And let me see, now we cut it must have

1367
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: been just after the Slave, so it would have been

1368
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: around January, February, March about March, and then, um, that

1369
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: was all put together. I was number one in May,

1370
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: so we we just cut that one side first and

1371
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: then I hit number one in May. I was twenty three,

1372
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: had my first number one nearly three, and then Mickey said,

1373
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: we need to make the next single right away and

1374
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,839
Speaker 1: the album. So then we went and started to record

1375
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: the album. So they came out after the second hit single,

1376
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: after forty eight crash. That was great, That was great.

1377
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 1: A couple of things. Mike will say that he wrote

1378
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 1: the songs and Nikki was just a business guy. You

1379
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: align with that, or you see Nikki having an influence

1380
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: on the material. Um, I mean, Mike's a very good

1381
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: friend of mine. You know, we're still very close. And

1382
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: he would say him he said many for many years.

1383
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: At the beginning, probably says for the first four or

1384
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: five years that Nikki Chin was very important. And because

1385
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: he used to edit, he'd say what you got, Mike

1386
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: would play it, and he might change a word here

1387
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: and there. He was maybe good at hearing a certain

1388
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: word or whatever. But but in reality, Mike was more

1389
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: the writer Nikki did what he did whatever he did

1390
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: in private, and Nikki was very good at business. And

1391
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: when I did my big documentary, when I was doing

1392
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: my radio shows, I did fifteen years on BBC Radio two. Um,

1393
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: everybody that they talked to that got included in the

1394
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: interviews when the documentary came out, they all said the

1395
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: same thing. So Nikki would tell it different, but that's

1396
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: how Mike tells it. Okay, So you hear the version

1397
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: finished version of Can That Cant Do you immediately say,

1398
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is hit record. He say, well,

1399
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: we made it. We'll see what happens. No, you could

1400
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: hear it. Um, you got goose bumps. So I had

1401
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: no doubt that was gonna Mickey heard it. He said,

1402
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: this is number one. It's the number one. Um. You

1403
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: know when you hear a song like that, that's gonna

1404
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: be here, you know it. You know it. It had

1405
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: something had an excitement about it. Um. He called me

1406
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: into his office and it was about a month before

1407
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: the record was due to come out, and he said,

1408
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: we have to talk about image now. He said, you're

1409
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna have a number one with this. We need your image.

1410
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: What do you want to wear? Great story of this.

1411
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: I said leather, of course, Elvis and he said no, no, no,

1412
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: no no. And I said, Mickey, I want to wear leather.

1413
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: Said no, it's it's old hat. It's been done, and

1414
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: I said not by me. And he went and he

1415
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: looked at me and he said, how about a jumpsuit?

1416
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, this is when I can be naive.

1417
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, great, And I'm thinking to myself how

1418
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: sensible that is, because I'm a real energetic performer and

1419
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: everything will stay in place. And I had no idea

1420
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: until I got the pictures back that it was sexy.

1421
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: And that's why that photograph works, because it doesn't look

1422
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to be sexy. I didn't know I

1423
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: was being sexy. But when the pictures came back from

1424
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: being to choose, I looked at them and I went, oh, oh, dear,

1425
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: oh dear. If I don't it's very funny. Don't see

1426
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: you don't see yourself that way, you know. But there

1427
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 1: was a pivotal moment again just before we just I

1428
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 1: went just watching the time you just before we move on. Um,

1429
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: when I was in the studio, the photographic studio with

1430
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: a very big photographer, gard make of its. He's done, everybody,

1431
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: including the Stones, and I was standing there in my

1432
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: brand new jumpsuit. The boys were sort of lying on

1433
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: this table around my feet. I was a leader of

1434
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,480
Speaker 1: the gang and my record was playing in the background,

1435
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: and my first ever proper photo session in my jumpsuit,

1436
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: and I remember the photographers saying to me, okay, now

1437
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: give me that Susie Quatro look, and I had one.

1438
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: The funniest thing is I didn't know I had one.

1439
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna grab the box set so I could

1440
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: show you the look and you'll see what I mean

1441
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: one second, because I'll never forget this as long as

1442
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I live, because I you know, you're searching, searching, searching,

1443
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: and then somebody says something like that to you, and

1444
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: you you do it, and then everything, all the pieces

1445
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: of my my performing jigsaw puzzle, my personality, it all

1446
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: came boom. I remember this picture being taken. I hope

1447
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: believe I'll remember the picture too. See can you see

1448
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:26,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Absolutely, it's a legendary picture. But okay,

1449
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: you're instantly a sex symbol. What's it like being inside

1450
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: the jumps dude and everybody looking at you. To me,

1451
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: it was it was right. It felt good. Um, when

1452
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: you when you don't grow up thinking of yourself as

1453
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: a good looking, sexy girl, even wearing that and being

1454
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: looked at is not going to change your inside, you know.

1455
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 1: And I always say to my husband that, thank goodness

1456
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up that way, because what that did

1457
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: was that give me a very natural balance to being

1458
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: stared at and being a sex, very natural balance to

1459
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: it all. Because I don't take it serious, you know.

1460
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they're loving Susie Quadro, and so I do

1461
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: separate that way. I mean most of the time. And

1462
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. The guys will come up

1463
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: and they go, oh, oh no, I had you on

1464
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: my wall, your poster, and you know that. I said, yes,

1465
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: I know that, thank you enough information. They want to

1466
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: share it with you, you know. So I don't take

1467
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: it serious. I just don't take it serious. That's Susie Quadro.

1468
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: That's Susie Quatro. Okay, okay, Now, performing leather is not

1469
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: that easy. It gets hot and sweaty. I mean, what

1470
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: was I'm like, Well, you know, look at this idiot here,

1471
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm five ft two. I picked the heaviest instrument and

1472
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: the hottest outfit. So what am I like? I could

1473
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: have played flute and satin. You know, Um, I just

1474
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: got used to it. I I when I zipped that up,

1475
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: I still wear it. I become me, become her, become me.

1476
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: She is me, She's part of me. But it's still

1477
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: performing side. I love. I love the jumps It's what

1478
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: a great what a great image. And I could still

1479
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: do it now at seventy one. I mean, my god,

1480
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: how lucky am I to have the same image. That's fantastic.

1481
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: That means it worked because Mickey's idea was a jumpsuit.

1482
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 1: Why did you want to be in leather? From Elvis?

1483
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: That's another pivotal moment. I saw him on the Comeback Special.

1484
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, and I decided leather was for me,

1485
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: and I went and bought my first leather jacket. Next

1486
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: pivotal moment, we're making the first album and we record

1487
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: I'll Shook Up. Next pivotal moment, I'm touring America with

1488
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: my English band. I've had hits. I'll Shook Up is

1489
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: in the charts. Um, I me in Memphis and the

1490
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: phone rings and it's Elvis's people, and all of a

1491
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: sudden he gets on the phone, I knewly died, and

1492
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: he said, uh, I've heard your version of All Struck

1493
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Up and I think it's the best. It's my own

1494
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: and would you like and would you like to come

1495
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: to grace Land? And I went, I'm very busy right now,

1496
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: not because I was scared, because I wasn't ready and

1497
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: I figured i'd have another chance to meet him and

1498
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: I didn't. Next pivotal moment, I have to go through

1499
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: these now that I started. Nineteen seventy seven, I come

1500
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: from Japan to l A. I auditioned for Happy Days.

1501
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: Um they said okay. I met the director at the funds,

1502
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: read for the part. They said, go back to your

1503
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: hotel when we'll give you a call. We have to

1504
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: discuss you. So I've put on the TV. I'm sitting

1505
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: next to the phone waiting for them to call. TV

1506
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: is on in the background, and they called and they said,

1507
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: we don't just want you for the two part episode,

1508
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: want you for fifteen episodes. I went great, And just

1509
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: as they were saying that, the TV said, news flash,

1510
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:12,560
Speaker 1: the King is dead right. You can't write this stuff simultaneously.

1511
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: Then two or three months later I'm there to do

1512
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: my first taping of Happy Days and the director comes

1513
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: over with a little little man and he said, Susie,

1514
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: I'd like you to meet this guy. His name is

1515
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: Nudy and he's gonna be doing all your costumes for

1516
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 1: the show. That was Elvis's personal Taylor, you cannot write

1517
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. Okay, then it's not coming out

1518
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: to the end of it. Now, I'm doing my tribute

1519
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: song to Elvis et and google it when we're done,

1520
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: called Singing with Angels Um. It was done in Nashville

1521
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 1: with James Burton on guitar and the Jordanaires. Gordon Stoker

1522
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: had come out of his hotel bed to sing on

1523
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: this song. I wrote it about Elvis, so that that

1524
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: is the final, the final one, so I finally beat

1525
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: used a thing with him, and the compliment that I

1526
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: shall take to my grave is I was outside with

1527
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: James Burton, took a little break from recording, and I

1528
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: gave him my headphones and I was playing him a

1529
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: few tracks from the album I was recording and he's

1530
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: listening and he took off. He said, you know, Susy,

1531
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. I said what he said?

1532
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: You got what over said, and I went even when

1533
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: I said, now, my heart stops. I said, what what

1534
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: do you mean? He said, I can only explain it

1535
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: this way. Whatever you do, it's you. Wow. Wow, Let's

1536
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: go back to can the Can it's number one. It

1537
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: is very hard to follow up a hit. Was it

1538
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: all moving so fast you didn't think about it? Or

1539
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: were you anxious? How am I going to follow this up?

1540
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: I had no doubt I would follow it up. I

1541
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: was on a roll. My time had come. I was ready. Okay,

1542
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Like with everybody, the role eventually comes to an end.

1543
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 1: How did you deal with that? How did I just

1544
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: say say it again? You know, eventually everybody on the

1545
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:22,520
Speaker 1: chart their day and somebody else takes the throne emotionally?

1546
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: How did you deal with it? Deal with that? Um?

1547
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: I never felt like I went anywhere. I've always just

1548
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: been a working artist. I never went anywhere, So I

1549
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: I never had that syndrome. Um, what for me? Once

1550
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: you make it to a certain level and you're out

1551
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: there and you know you're playing for the crowds, and

1552
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: you're doing tours and you're all the time working, and

1553
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 1: whether you're having hits in the charts doesn't really make

1554
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: any difference because you've made your name, and then you're

1555
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: a working artist, and you're you're doing the circuit, the

1556
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: festivals and the private gigs and this and that. So

1557
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 1: I've just always rolled along. I've never felt left out

1558
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: because even in the eighties, I I keept, I kept

1559
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: changing tracks. You know, UM did did the acting, I

1560
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: did musical. Okay, wait wait, wait, before we get to

1561
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the changing, how did you feel being a Detroit girl that,

1562
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 1: prior to stumbling in none of these gigantic records in

1563
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: England crossed over in America. Now, wasn't only you the

1564
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: other it's very successful acts to talking about Slade, etcetera.

1565
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: But how did you being an American? How did you

1566
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: feel about? There was something? There was a couple of

1567
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: year period of a lot of stuff happening everywhere else.

1568
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: Knew it wasn't happening in America. I used to go

1569
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: tour there um all the time. We saw quite a

1570
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: few albums, you know, but the hit records didn't translate.

1571
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: And every time I went over, I always noticed that

1572
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: it was Linda von Stadt and the Eagles all over

1573
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the radio. Um in my documentary has explained very well

1574
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: by Mike Chapman by Debbie Harry by all these people.

1575
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: I was a little bit early. You know, they weren't

1576
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: quite ready for this bass playing leader of a rock

1577
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: band to to do it. You know that I had

1578
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: more of a cult status in America, and it wasn't

1579
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: until I did Happy Days. In fact, this is my

1580
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: own take on it, and they saw this bass playing

1581
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: girl that all of a sudden it became okay, that's

1582
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: how I see it happening. So they didn't discover me

1583
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: as Susan Quasta. They discovered me as Leather Tuscadero being

1584
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 1: played by Susan Quadrow in America at that point in time.

1585
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: Happy Days in Laverne and Shirley, which were done by

1586
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: the same people, were the number one in two shows

1587
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: they juggled. What's it like being on a number one

1588
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: television show which has international reach even beyond the records. Yeah, fantastic. Um.

1589
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: I was very It was a decision I took to

1590
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: to even try out for that part, you know, but

1591
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: I always I knew I could act, so I wanted

1592
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: to do it. One of the nicest three three three

1593
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: years of my life. I've kept good friends with Henry,

1594
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: good friends with Ron. We email all the time. Um.

1595
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: In fact, I one time Astron recently we were talking.

1596
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I was curious, I said, did I ever feel when

1597
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: I joined the show like I was a brand new

1598
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: person on the show, a new actress? He said no,

1599
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: he said, you were just in the show. It was

1600
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: like you had been there from the beginning. I can't

1601
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: figure out how that happened. It was a really natural

1602
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: fit for me, you know, pretty natural. And I love

1603
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: I love acting. It's my second love if I have one. Okay,

1604
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: do you say, both in words and in the documentary

1605
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: that you could have continued. Do you regret that you

1606
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: did not continue being on the show and having your

1607
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: own spin off? No. I. I spent a lot of

1608
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: time with Henry, and he was always talking about how

1609
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: he was always going to be the Funds, you know,

1610
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: and he's a fine actor. And that went into my

1611
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: little brain a bit. And then I thought, well, I'm

1612
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: Sushi Quatro everywhere in the world. I now Susi Quatro

1613
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: playing leather tuscadero. So do I really want to box

1614
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: myself into being that person for the rest of my life?

1615
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: And the answer was no, I did not want to.

1616
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: And I went on to do a lot of other

1617
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: different kinds of shows, you know, And I did musicals

1618
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: and you know, Midsummer Murders and ab Fab and five

1619
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 1: or six different series that I did. And I made

1620
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: the right decision at the right time. I did enough

1621
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:45,440
Speaker 1: of Leather Tuscadero. I didn't need to keep doing it. Okay,

1622
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: not long after that, you have children? Did you always

1623
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: want to have children? And did Why did you decide

1624
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: to have them at that point and what was the experience? Like,

1625
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: I always wanted to have kids. I come from big

1626
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: family myself. That was a no brainer. Who was going

1627
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: to have kids I wanted for Unfortunately, I'm too small

1628
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,839
Speaker 1: and I had two cesareans. They were kind of dangerous.

1629
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to get pregnant again. I wanted to

1630
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: have them before thirty. Then I found that I had

1631
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: trouble getting pregnant, low fertility, and I had to have

1632
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of help, and I finally got pregnant

1633
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: at thirty two and thirty four. Always going to have kids,

1634
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: but I insisted that the kids come on the road

1635
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: with me. That was one of my things I said

1636
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: to my ex. We argued about it. I said, I

1637
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: don't have kids and leave them at home. So we

1638
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: had to live in nanny and we took them on

1639
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 1: the road until they got to proper school age. Um, yeah,

1640
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: kids is great, Kids is great. They they changed your life.

1641
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: You you you have no idea what love is until

1642
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: you have a child. Wow. Did I just say that

1643
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: many perfooms. Uh, I have guilt that they did not

1644
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: spend as much time with their children growing up as

1645
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: maybe someone with traditional job. Is that enter the picture

1646
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: at all with you? No, it doesn't because I had

1647
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: arguments about it, and I insisted, and they came on

1648
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: the road, so I would get my sleep from the

1649
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: gig before on the road, and then they would come

1650
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: to spend the afternoon together. You know, I tried to

1651
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: make up for when I was home, I'm not on

1652
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: the road. I was boring. I never went anywhere. I

1653
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: stayed here in this house with the kids, so they

1654
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: were with me on the road, and when we were home,

1655
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 1: I was here. My ex used to get quiet, annoyed.

1656
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Why don't we ever go? I said, no, I'm here.

1657
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: So no, I didn't leave them when they went to

1658
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: school age, and then you couldn't keep taking them out.

1659
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: Then there was a few tourists maybe where I had

1660
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: to do a couple of weeks in Australian then they

1661
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: would lie out in their break that that happened sometimes.

1662
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: But I never deserted my kids. No, I was. I

1663
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: was a hands on mom and that was not easy

1664
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: because I was also the bread earner, so I had

1665
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: to wear eight million different hats. You know, now, a

1666
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 1: lot of children of famous people, celebrities, Uh, their childhoods

1667
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: are not easy. They end up drugs, alcohol, bad actors.

1668
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: How do you work out with your kids? They're they're

1669
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: pretty normal to um No, they haven't got they haven't

1670
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: got any problems, any addiction problems. My daughter can drink,

1671
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: she's half Scottish. Um No, No, they're fine, They're well adjusted.

1672
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: My son has had two successful albums with me. He's

1673
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: producing people now. He's a fine guitar player. My daughter

1674
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: has a good job, she's a good singer. She's got

1675
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: her my granddaughter, and she's got a foster kid. Now

1676
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: that you know, I made sure that my kids were

1677
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: as normal as possible. I didn't raise them as show

1678
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: showbiz breadths at all. Okay. In the documentary, a huge

1679
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: turning point is when you take the gig in any

1680
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: get your gun, let's kind of separate some of these

1681
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: things out. Hey, how did you make the decision to

1682
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 1: do that gig? And in the documentary that says it

1683
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: closed a for a huge riff with your first husband.

1684
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: What was going on all through that? Um? Okay, I

1685
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: had my kids. I was branching out into different bits

1686
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: and pieces. You know, you can't go on the on

1687
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: stage when you're pregnant because that's not good for the baby.

1688
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: So I had two years where I wasn't on the road,

1689
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: not all the like when I got bigger. When I

1690
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: got bigger three or four months, I was fine. Um,

1691
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: I'd wanted to And an offer came up. I was

1692
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: offered the role of Annie and Annie Gets Your Gun

1693
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: and we had to tour boat in Australia. And I

1694
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: remember saying to Lenny, this is an offer or we

1695
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: had we had an offer of a tour. It wasn't booked, obviously,

1696
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I said, I will not turn this down. I always

1697
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 1: wanted to try my hand at musicals. I love musicals.

1698
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: And Annie Gets your Gun. Wow, what a perfect fit

1699
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: for me, sharp shooting girl. You know a tom Boy?

1700
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: What a perfect fit. Um. I slid into it. Again.

1701
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't difficult. Um. I took to it like a

1702
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: duck to water. Love the songs, love the whole process

1703
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: of doing a musical, loved the discipline of it. Absolutely

1704
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 1: loved it. Um yeah wow. But my husband, and you know,

1705
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 1: he had to sit around during happy Days. Didn't like that.

1706
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: And he had to sit around during Annie. He's a

1707
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: guitar player. So that started to cause a little bit

1708
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: of a rift. If you had not taken those two

1709
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: gigs and you'd worked in the band with the marriage,

1710
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: have worked and continued, or was it going to end

1711
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: in any event? I think it was going to end

1712
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: in any event because I think I think he kind

1713
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: of drifted after the kids. I don't I don't even

1714
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: know if he wanted kids. You know, it was we

1715
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: were we were growing up heart, you know, And I

1716
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: love him dearly still I say it to my husband.

1717
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: I'll always love him. Not in love anymore, but always

1718
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 1: will love him. Um. We stopped communicating. That's the killer.

1719
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 1: So how did you tell him? I wrote a song

1720
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: called Free the Butterfly, and I brought it down and

1721
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: played it from beautiful song. You should google it, and

1722
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I thought he would get it, but he didn't. All

1723
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: he said afterwards was nice song, sues it's about the

1724
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: ending of her marriage. Um. Yeah, finally, it took me

1725
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: six years from from the time I knew that we were,

1726
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: not that I was falling out of love. It took

1727
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: me six years to go because I had kids and

1728
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm a Catholic girl, so he had he had to

1729
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 1: really think, get through and make sure one million percent

1730
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: that you were making the right decision. And then finally

1731
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I knew. And when I knew, I knew, and I

1732
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: just said, that's it, that's it. How long was that

1733
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: after you played him the song? Probably two years? Okay,

1734
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: So you're working in and get your gun. All of

1735
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: a sudden you start spreading your horizons. You're writing books,

1736
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: you're acting, you have a radio show. How does that

1737
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: all come about? And is that fit in with your philosophy?

1738
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Is it new? Because is it exciting because it's new?

1739
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: Where do you say, well, I'm a rock chick, should

1740
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: I be doing that? What's going on? I don't think

1741
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: about any of those things. Um, I'm quite comfortable as this,

1742
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: very comfortable. This is who I always will be. The

1743
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: suit stuff fits, by the way, But I am an artist.

1744
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: I gotta start five everybody. You're telling me the same

1745
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: jumpsuits you wore in the seventies. You can no, no, no, no, no,

1746
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: no, no no, no no no. Okay, for a minute, there

1747
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: you're no no no, no no no. Of course not,

1748
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 1: of course not. I would have to be you have

1749
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: to be a miracle for that. But I do have

1750
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: older ones, you know, newer ones, and they fit. But

1751
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: of course they made for me. Now, of course you're

1752
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 1: not the same size, Um, not exactly anyway. But I'm

1753
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: still pretty good. Let's let's put it this way. They

1754
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: still look good, okay. Um. I'm an artist and I

1755
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: can't help with be an artist, and I am a

1756
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: communicator and entertainer and a creator, and that's what makes

1757
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: me tick. So I have to do those things I have.

1758
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: I love doing radio. It's communicating on the air. I

1759
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: love writing, it's communicating through my words. I love writing songs.

1760
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 1: It's it's all about that for me. I have to create.

1761
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:55,919
Speaker 1: I I can't exist without creating. Okay. There's a cliche

1762
01:43:55,960 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: in the music business. It's not about the money. It's

1763
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: about the money, okay. So let's go back nicky most

1764
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: And in that era, traditionally, the acts had to cough

1765
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: up there publishing and they had lousy record deals. What

1766
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: was your experience in the seventies. It was notorious after

1767
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,839
Speaker 1: the sixties when record companies were throwing money at everybody.

1768
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: The seventies thing got very tight. So I had a

1769
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:29,480
Speaker 1: normal seventy deal, seventies deal which I be negotiated when

1770
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: we negotiating came up. Um, I never got cheated by

1771
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: Mackey was very fair with me, ironed, ironed, pretty good.

1772
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: You know. I bought my first house with cash, so

1773
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: not bad. But make Mickey put me with a good

1774
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: accountants and everything, and he was straight with me, and yeah,

1775
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I don't have to worry about money. Okay.

1776
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Needless to say, the songs that uh uh Mike Chapman wrote,

1777
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 1: the singles you don't collect on, but all of these

1778
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: other songs you just get the writer's share in the

1779
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 1: rack days or do you have any of the publishing?

1780
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Um I was signed with my publishing to Mickey, so yeah,

1781
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: I get publishing. Sure, I have published cents on the dollar.

1782
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: The old deal is the publisher owns the publishing and

1783
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: gets and the writer gets. We that we had that,

1784
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: we had that fifty fifty. But now I've now got

1785
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: seventy thirty because they do all the administration for me.

1786
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I have Butterfly Stroke Rack Publishing, and they do the

1787
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: administration for and I get it. And who is they?

1788
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: Let's assume you never worked again. You have enough money

1789
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 1: to get to the end more than any now in style.

1790
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: In style, I can drink a nice bottle of champagne

1791
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 1: every night of the week. Okay, record royalties which are

1792
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: different from publishing royalties. A lot of vacts say they

1793
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: don't get those. I don't people with hit records or

1794
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: not getting any record royalties not now right streaming? Yes,

1795
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: but are you getting any royalties from the records as

1796
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: opposed to the songs? It's hard to get. It's it's hard.

1797
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: That's hard. I get a lot, a lot from the

1798
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 1: the publishing and the PRS and all the other thing.

1799
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 1: But uh, this is a big, big wrong thing that's happening.

1800
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for the young X coming along

1801
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,799
Speaker 1: right now. Um, the streaming needs to be addressed. It's unfair.

1802
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: A lot of big acts are coming out and saying

1803
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: so PRS has just send out things to everybody. We're

1804
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 1: addressing this that the artists, you know, nobody's a lot

1805
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: of people don't buy records anymore, so you're not getting

1806
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: royalties from there, and streaming doesn't really pay you much.

1807
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: So this it's not a good business, not route for

1808
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot of artists, and it needs to be addressed

1809
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 1: and put right or people will stop making music. Okay,

1810
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 1: so you talk about the fact you need to create.

1811
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 1: You recently put out a new record. What keeps you

1812
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 1: going at this point in time? Creation? God, every time

1813
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: I write a new song, I get excited. Every time

1814
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I come up with a great line of the song,

1815
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I get excited. I was up in my bedroom the

1816
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: other night writing poetry from my next poetry book, Flying,

1817
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm Flying. I love I love creating something I can't

1818
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: explain to any better than that. And I've always been

1819
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: the same. I love lyrics, you know, and I've I've

1820
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 1: still got. Unfortunately or unfortunately, depending on which side of

1821
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 1: the fence you're sitting on, I have a lot left

1822
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: to say. I'm not done. As everybody, as generations change,

1823
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 1: the audience gets smaller. Does that bother you that you

1824
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 1: might write a book and it might reach fewer people,

1825
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: or you might play to one quarter of the audience.

1826
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: Used to play. Is that depressing at all? Or still

1827
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: you're good it hasn't happened. I mean I knew here

1828
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: as zeeve uh two thousand nineteen, just before the pandemic year,

1829
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: I played to fourteen thousand people. And here's the funny part.

1830
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm standing there doing my two hours show with an interval,

1831
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, fantastic, and I'm looking at fourteen th people

1832
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,759
Speaker 1: and it's the only time I ever thought this, because

1833
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:27,840
Speaker 1: when I'm on stage, I'm I'm in the I'm on

1834
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 1: the stage, I'm concentrating, you know, I'm there in the moment.

1835
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: If somebody sneezes, I hear um, you know, I'm I'm there.

1836
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: And I looked at all those people, and I thought

1837
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 1: to myself, very fleetingly, you know, if it all stops tomorrow,

1838
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a high. And then it stopped.

1839
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what did I say that for? Idiot?

1840
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Just like when I said, oh, depression, don't come knock

1841
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: it out my door. I gotta learned to shut my

1842
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 1: my brain, you know. But yeah, I'm still playing huge.

1843
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm I had shows in the book last year, all

1844
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: sold out solo shows with interval, which I love. Two

1845
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 1: hours I love it, take you right the way through

1846
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: everything you know, from bongos to everything. And I had

1847
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: the same book this year. Of course, a lot of

1848
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 1: them are postponed to two thousand twenty two. Um, I'm

1849
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: still pulling in the crowds. So are we gonna have

1850
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: to scrape you off the stage as you die of

1851
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 1: a heart attack at some late age or would you

1852
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: ever call it a day? I think if I ever

1853
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: ever find myself going on that stage and putting on

1854
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 1: a phony smile. I was stopped. But I do have

1855
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:45,839
Speaker 1: a famous quote which I'm going to end this interview

1856
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: with because it's my famous quote. I said it when

1857
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: I was thirty five years old. Okay, some idiot at

1858
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,879
Speaker 1: thirty five said to me, what are you going to retire?

1859
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: And I said, when I go on stage, turn my

1860
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: BA back on the audience and shake my ass. And

1861
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: their silence then I stopped. Hasn't happened yet, but a

1862
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 1: big Susie. You're unbelievable, you know you always do. Until

1863
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 1: you actually talk to someone, you don't really know what

1864
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: they're like. You know, you can tell a story, and

1865
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I understand why you're successful. You tell a great story.

1866
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 1: Even someone who knew nothing about you would be entertained.

1867
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing this. Oh well, thank you

1868
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: and thank you for that compliment. I take that that

1869
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 1: that see that goes to my heart. Thank you, thank

1870
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 1: you very much. Until next time. This is Bob Leftson