WEBVTT - SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Hinterkaifeck Axe Murders

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everybody, and welcome to our new playlist for the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>featuring some of our best episodes on true crime. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got so many that it was hard to choose, and

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<v Speaker 1>we left a number of the all time greats out

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<v Speaker 1>because we've released them as selects. But if this floats

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<v Speaker 1>your boat, then check out some of our other true

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<v Speaker 1>crime episodes that didn't make the list, like The Yuba

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<v Speaker 1>County Five, The Body on Somerton Beach, The Missing Solder Children,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ten Dumb Criminals, among many others. We're starting the

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<v Speaker 1>playlist off with our episode on a grizzly unsolved mystery

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen twenty two in Bavaria, where a family was

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<v Speaker 1>found murdered on their farm. It has all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>weird twists and turns, and it's a genuinely mysterious unsolved case. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry Yep. This is stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say this is a bonus Halloween episode

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<v Speaker 2>in a way. You can all look forward to our

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<v Speaker 2>regular ad free Halloween Show.

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<v Speaker 1>On Halloween, the real bonus episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly where we do our traditional reading. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>gussied up by Jerry. But you were like, hey, since

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<v Speaker 2>this is Hello weekend, almost right, why don't we just

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story of an ex murdered family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it didn't spoil it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think we probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to that point eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, So we decided to just do a little

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<v Speaker 2>creepy episode this one. If you have your children, you

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<v Speaker 2>may want to vet this one because it's definitely about

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<v Speaker 2>an ex murdered family.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't be a sicko.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up to you whether or not you want to

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<v Speaker 2>expose them to this kind of treachery.

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<v Speaker 1>This is bad stuff. Are you ready for it?

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<v Speaker 2>If you get your German pronunciation down. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>should we.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about hinter kxia chang hinter k yeah, dsha.

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<v Speaker 2>Chang yeah, chang chung more specifically?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>The irony of all.

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<v Speaker 1>Why should I ever get it right at all?

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<v Speaker 2>The irony of all this is I was almost right

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<v Speaker 2>when I first said it, yeah and said I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think Chinese pronounces the X. But this one is just

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<v Speaker 2>a little more stings a little more because we made

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<v Speaker 2>such a big deal about it being correct and the

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<v Speaker 2>pronunciation wasn't correct, but we were misled on the internet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens. Still, got everything else right.

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<v Speaker 2>So dixia chang is really dsha chung sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Of okay, And hinter kek is kaik hinter kaifak Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I looked over these.

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<v Speaker 1>My German is rusty, but I think I got them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most of them. I bet you're gonna stumble on one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just hold under that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know which one you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's what's going to make it exciting. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we should have a sound effect when it happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just like a boy. Sure, okay, that'll disrupt

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<v Speaker 2>the spookiness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get spooky chuck, shall we. Yes, Because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little town in Bavaria.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>It's between the towns of Ingelstadt and Schrobenhausen. Was that

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<v Speaker 1>either one of the ones you thought I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stumble on?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean technically useduld say like stott instead of stott.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I didn't realize we're getting technical.

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<v Speaker 2>But Uh, you know you're you're not from Germany. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how an American might say.

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<v Speaker 1>It, right, And by god, I'm an American, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's much closer to vibe often. Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>one I'm just gonna ask. Every time I say something

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<v Speaker 1>in German you'll hear the sound effect. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little little tiny village, a town called Kafek and hinterfe No, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the town, the village is called Kaifek. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>ranch basically you'd call it in America a dude ranch

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even, but not really. It's just a farm called

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<v Speaker 1>hinter Kifek. It was located a little bit outside of

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<v Speaker 1>this village, in the hinter land, you might call it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this the name of this farm was hinter K Kaifek.

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<v Speaker 1>And on this farm lived a man, a woman, another woman,

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<v Speaker 1>some little kids. Yeah this is going terribly, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So the family who made up this the tendancy of

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<v Speaker 1>this farm, they were the Groubers. Yes, Andreas Kruber was

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<v Speaker 1>the father. His wife Is this the one? Okay? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let me do this then, you ready? Yeah? Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>wife's name was Cazilia Augh Gelia.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank, No, if I'm not mistaken. If you begin a

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<v Speaker 2>word with C in German and it's pronounced like a

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<v Speaker 2>like a ts yes for me, I think that would

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<v Speaker 2>be Tetzelia.

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<v Speaker 1>What that's not fair, I know, come on Germany, Tetsilia. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well let me ask you this. So Tetsilia, yeah? Am

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<v Speaker 1>I saying it right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I think tet Cilia.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's Italian. It does sound so Tetzilia is his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>H that's to be determined. Uh, their daughter Victoria. So

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a K instead of a C, is it

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<v Speaker 1>something else entirely? Or is it Victoria Victoria? Okay? And

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<v Speaker 1>there's two grandchildren. The oldest was a granddaughter. Now she

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<v Speaker 1>has an umlaut over her name, even though it's spelled otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same as her grandmother. Tatzelia. Yeah, how would

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<v Speaker 1>you say that?

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<v Speaker 2>It would be uh chert Celia, Toutzilia, sure tu yeah, Chertzilia.

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<v Speaker 1>Toutzelia and Toatzelia.

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<v Speaker 2>Tatzelia and chert Celia.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wouldn't be like Tatzilia and Tatzilia junior. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've never seen anyone name there. It just

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<v Speaker 2>seemed unusual to me. I didn't know if the first

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<v Speaker 2>name was missing, the Umlaut, or if they really named

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<v Speaker 2>her after her grandmother, but added the Umlaut. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>a story there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, Chuck as we'll find a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the details and facts of this case have been lost

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, there was a little boy, two year old named Joseph,

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<v Speaker 1>that was Victoria's son, and Victoria was widowed. She was

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. I believe at the time that we come

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<v Speaker 1>into hinter k Ifek and they all lived together relatively

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<v Speaker 1>isolated actually because they the groupers. Although they were wealthy

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<v Speaker 1>and from what I saw, held in somewhat high esteem

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<v Speaker 1>or at least treated with respect to their station, they

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<v Speaker 1>were very very much disliked as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's quite a few reasons for this. One

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<v Speaker 2>is that the paterfamilius Andreas was he was not friendly,

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<v Speaker 2>He liked to keep to himself, and apparently he was

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<v Speaker 2>very abusive to his wife and children. Yeah, children, he

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<v Speaker 2>only had one living child. Still at this point, there's

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria and we're in the wayback machine, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's nineteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. So he was abusive. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the story of the passing of his other children,

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<v Speaker 2>lost the time, lost the time. My immediate reaction was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if he was abusive and they're no longer, maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>had something to do with it. Maybe, But it was

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<v Speaker 2>a leap, a total leap.

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<v Speaker 1>Also the time when like people routinely died from the flu.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, you know, it's a good point. So he was

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<v Speaker 2>a loner, he was abusive. There was the matter of Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>the two year old daughter of Victoria Son. Yeah, she's daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where else going with that, And he

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<v Speaker 2>was rumored to have been born from an incestuous relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with her father.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Andreas right, that was the rumor in town.

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<v Speaker 2>Which smacks to me of small town nineteen twenty stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if I bought that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but that was definitely the rumor in town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a significant number of people in town who

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<v Speaker 1>either believe that or were very much aware that other

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<v Speaker 1>people believed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he apparently was very controlling of Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of to the level of being characterized as obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it could very well be true, could lost a.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, could also have not been true. And there's other

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<v Speaker 1>reports that Joseph was the son of another man in

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<v Speaker 1>town who will meet later on, who at one point

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<v Speaker 1>claimed paternity but later on said no way right, especially

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<v Speaker 1>I think when the concept of alimony payments was brought up,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, He's like, no kid was a product of

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<v Speaker 1>incests instead.

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<v Speaker 2>So Victoria was the only one supposedly that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time in town and that people

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<v Speaker 2>seem to care for much because she sang in the

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<v Speaker 2>choir apparently was a very good singer in the church choir.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is the scene here in semi Rule Bavaria.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we want to give a shout out we've given.

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<v Speaker 1>We found some other articles about the case itself, but

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<v Speaker 1>the main one that we started with was from Mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>universe dot org. Not a normal place where we would

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<v Speaker 1>get our stuff, but it's a good article.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we everything else I read about it, it

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<v Speaker 2>sort of all checked out as being the same.

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<v Speaker 1>So way to go, mysterious universe dot org. Good job,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So things start to get a little weird on the

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<v Speaker 2>farm when the maid at the farm whose name may

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<v Speaker 2>or may not be Maria. We don't know. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of here. I quit because this house is haunted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing weird noises in the attic, I'm hearing weird

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<v Speaker 2>sounds all around the place. I'm hearing footsteps. I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And apparently she left pretty quickly and suddenly, and

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<v Speaker 1>the family so much so was like, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>she was mentally disturbed.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's an easy way to quiet the townspeople if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to cuckoo. Yeah, you don't want people

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<v Speaker 2>thinking like, A, I'm abusive and b also live in

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<v Speaker 2>a haunted house.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, you don't want that. That's where you drove

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<v Speaker 1>the line incest abuse. Sure, that's allow, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want people to think you got ghosts, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the maid leaves and that kind of sets the tone,

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<v Speaker 1>like that kicks off this season of dread. Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>settles over hinter kaifek.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be a good name for the movie version of this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>season of dread.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I can't believe there's not a number of

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<v Speaker 1>like blockbuster movies about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I looked it up. Apparently there were a couple

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<v Speaker 2>that weren't very big, but nothing nothing that ever start

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<v Speaker 2>ray fines.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if it doesn't have him, like, who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>He would clearly be one of the dudes in.

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<v Speaker 1>This sure, you know, maybe even Andreas Kruber, who I

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<v Speaker 1>keep wanting to call Hans. I'm gonna go ahead and admit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see the name Druber and that's what jumps

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<v Speaker 2>to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the maid leaves, and like I said, this

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<v Speaker 1>weird things start happening. A few months later, Andreas is

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<v Speaker 1>wandering around his property around Kaife, plundering around, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just looking aimlessly for something to do. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>remember there was a snowstorm and he was looking around

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<v Speaker 1>to see, you know, if there had been any damage,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that need repairing, And he noticed that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a set of tracks in the snow. Human tracks, footprints,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a better way to call him, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>leading to the house. And they went right up to

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<v Speaker 1>the house. But he looked around and he could not

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<v Speaker 1>find any tracks leading away from the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Creepy, super creepy. Just a single set though, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like the footsteps like God carried him from

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<v Speaker 2>there at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would be a single step set.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, you know the old adage. Sure, there were

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<v Speaker 2>two sets of footprints, and then when there were only one.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that God left you. It was when he

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<v Speaker 1>was carrying you. It's right, you're sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great story whether it even if you're not religious.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta see that and be like, man, that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because anytime you get to that point, Yeah, Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>goes zing, doubt me, will you?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So, footprints leading to the house and not leading

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<v Speaker 2>away creepy, creepy, creepy. Right, He was a little creeped out,

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<v Speaker 2>so he said, let me wander around more and see

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<v Speaker 2>if I can find Well, at.

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<v Speaker 1>This point he wasn't wandering. He had purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me not wander aimlessly, but let me

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<v Speaker 2>go from room to room and barn to barn room,

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<v Speaker 2>h barnroom to barn room and find out this person

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<v Speaker 2>that is clearly on my property somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He did like a hard target search, looking for somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>either somebody hiding out on his property or evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>whoever left that track those tracks leading to his house

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<v Speaker 1>had left looking for other tracks away from house, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't find anything. He found. Yeah, nothing, no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of anybody certainly didn't find anybody, didn't There was just nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing though, that he did find that was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of off putting to him enough so that he mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it to neighbors was that on his tool shed, which

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<v Speaker 1>was separate from the barn, the tool shed had a

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<v Speaker 1>lock on it and the lock had scratched aes their

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that somebody had been trying to either break it

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<v Speaker 1>or pick it correct, and they were trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the tool shed, and he did not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is right. This is again, this is following

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<v Speaker 1>on the heels.

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<v Speaker 2>Of their.

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<v Speaker 1>Maid leaving. Yeah, because citing ghosts is the reason she left.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody has come to their farm and not left. They

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get into the tool shed. The things are

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that case, it was a ghost sighting. See

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<v Speaker 2>iti right, another accidental pun?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah was that accidental?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Okay, you didn't mean that, did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? He said that she saw a ghost sighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, I guess so the oh that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wondered, by the way, really quickly, if these footprints,

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<v Speaker 2>if whoever did that, did the old shining trick. A

0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.200
<v Speaker 2>little Danny was so smart he doubled back in his footprints.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and it worked. Oh, it worked big time. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who've seen the end of this shining can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds a lot like I've been drinking today. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't at all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen what you're drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>You're drinking water.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not the only weird thing that happened on

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<v Speaker 2>So that was in March, I'm sorry. The two more

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<v Speaker 2>weird things happened. So a set of keys go missing

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<v Speaker 2>in March. Yeah, and I don't know that one to me.

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<v Speaker 1>People lose keys, yeah, but if you're suddenly like there's

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<v Speaker 1>is there somebody like churringing around a property trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the tool shed? Now there's keys missing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I could see that, the scratchy lock. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the other final weird thing in that month, in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty two, they found a strange newspaper on the

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<v Speaker 2>porch man and I looked up because I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what strange newspaper meant. So I tried to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what the deal was, and everywhere I went just said

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was a newspaper that I couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>if it was like, was it from Russia or was.

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<v Speaker 1>It from nineteen eighty nine?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be super greaty Yeah, And all I found

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<v Speaker 2>was that it was that I could gather was that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a newspaper that they did not expect to

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<v Speaker 2>be there for some reason or another. Right, either they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't subscribe to it. Yeah, it wasn't in their town

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<v Speaker 2>or just some just random newspaper being on their porch

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<v Speaker 2>was yeah, what matters?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't find anything beyond that as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one other last thing and all this is

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<v Speaker 1>now starting to take place. Over just the course of

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days, things are getting like weirder at

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<v Speaker 1>a much faster pace. Andreas himself, who I've not taken

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<v Speaker 1>to be a very superstitious person, started to notice sounds

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the ad, the same kind of like disembodied

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<v Speaker 1>footfalls that the maid had sighted as a ghost sighting.

0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So he's sitting there like, Okay, keys are missing, somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get into tool shed. Those tracks are really

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<v Speaker 1>messing with me. And now I'm hearing things. I'm hearing

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<v Speaker 1>people in my own house.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a Chicago Tribune from nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exact, things have gotten weird.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, things are weird. This is in March nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>The last day of March nineteen twenty two, the thirty first.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, a new maid comes on the scene named

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<v Speaker 2>Maria for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one's confirmed, okay, Maria Baumgartner.

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<v Speaker 2>She on her first day on the job. It proved

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<v Speaker 2>to not be a very good first day at work

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<v Speaker 2>for one really good reason that we'll get to in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. Oh, okay, we'll tease it out a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So she comes to work, she's working. Everything's totally

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<v Speaker 1>normal as far as anyone around the hinter Kaifec farm

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, like the neighbors and all that. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>totally normal day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a few days they would realize that this day,

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<v Speaker 1>March thirty first, nineteen twenty two, was the last day

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<v Speaker 1>anyone could say for certain that they had seen any

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<v Speaker 1>of the groupers alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. So flash forward a few days April four. People

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<v Speaker 2>were a little weird. They were like, you know what,

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.960
<v Speaker 2>sirt Cilia. Uh, it was not in school.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's been to church. We missed that sweet, sweet

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:08.560
<v Speaker 2>voice of Victoria up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was highly unusual as well. Yeah, like Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>did not miss church, did not miss choir. I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 1>not only did she love to sing, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>like her one weekly excuse to get out of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that for sure. And so they said.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the male had been piling up supposedly right

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<v Speaker 2>at the post office because they didn't use stamps dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they would have if they'd had the technology. Believe me,

0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That was free.

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<v Speaker 1>So the the neighbors say, well, let's go check on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently they went I.

0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Bet other neighbors right, really, yeah, you like them that much? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And finally someone was like, yeah, we really.

0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Just let's go. Yeah, it's a neighborly thing to do.

0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 1>We're Bavarian, so exactly what we do. So that this

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<v Speaker 1>little search party goes to the house to go check

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<v Speaker 1>on things, and the house is just the whole farm

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<v Speaker 1>is just eerily quiet. Everything's just kind of there's not

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a sign of life. Yeah, there's a dog barking that

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.159
<v Speaker 1>the gruber dog was a Pomeranian. Actually, yeah, and this

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.959
<v Speaker 1>is a time of Pomeranians. We're a little bigger and stockier,

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and but barked nonetheless, just as just like any other Pomeranians. O.

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<v Speaker 1>They bigger back then and stockier, Yeah, German stock sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Pomeranian was barking its head off. It was

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<v Speaker 1>well known to be pretty just kind of a jerky

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.160
<v Speaker 1>little watchdog. But it was good for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was odd was that it was tied up

0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 1>in the in the barn. This is a house dog

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that the Gruber's kept. Yeah, that was a little weird,

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but otherwise it seemed okay. The horses and the other

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 1>livestock seemed okay and well fed or whatever. And then

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody looked a little further into the barn and they

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<v Speaker 1>made what would be the first of a couple really

0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:08.000
<v Speaker 1>really gruesome discoveries. They found some of the groupers bludgeoned

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<v Speaker 1>to death.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Andreas, the papa, daughter Victoria, and dear old Cecilia,

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.879
<v Speaker 2>the granddaughter in the barn, stacked one on top of

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<v Speaker 2>the other, bled to death, bludgeon to death only in

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<v Speaker 2>the head area.

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Largely in the head area, like the attacks were. The

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 1>attacks were definitely concentrated on their head and face.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, and they were covered with hay, not completely covered.

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<v Speaker 2>There are pictures of this, by the way, did you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the crime scene creepy? Oh yeah, and see

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.040
<v Speaker 2>them in the barn with the hay, right, very graphic,

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<v Speaker 2>So beware if you're googling that right now. So they

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<v Speaker 2>were dead and had been dead for a little while,

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 2>which we'll get to. They go inside and they find

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<v Speaker 2>poor little Joseph, just horrific two year old was found dead,

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 2>also bludgeoned to death in his cot in mom's bedroom.

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 2>And then the maid on her first day on the job,

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<v Speaker 2>was killed in her bed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Andreas, his wife said, Zelia, she was in the

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<v Speaker 1>barn as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh did I miss that?

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So four of them in the barn, two in

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 2>the house, all killed in the same manner, and all

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 2>covered up in some way. Yeah, whether it was hay

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.679
<v Speaker 2>or sheets or clothing, which is a weird thing to do.

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very weird. Although it would it would become

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 1>evident why in a little bit once they started questioning

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the neighbors.

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So, the day after the bodies were found, doctor Johann R.

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Mueler performed the autopsies in the barn, and he decided

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<v Speaker 1>that what had been used as a murder weapon was

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>a type of pick axe called a mattock. Although the

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.480
<v Speaker 1>murder weapon wasn't found for another year. Actually after that,

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the doctor concluded quite rightly that it was a mattic

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.199
<v Speaker 1>that had been used. And if you've ever seen, you know,

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like a pick axe, but the other end is like

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>blunt and wide, that's a mattic. And whoever killed the

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:29.919
<v Speaker 1>groupers and the maid did it with that, which is horrific.

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 1>It is even worse than that. Though they found in

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Zelia's hands clenched in her fists tufts of her own hair,

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>so there was evidence that she had survived for they

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>think several hours after she was attacked and watched her

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>other family members attacked, and it pulled out her own

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>hair for whatever.

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Reason, I'd say that was a good enough reason. Sure,

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Victoria showed signs of strangulation, but they did try and

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that was not the cause of death. And by all accounts,

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>everyone else died pretty much immediately upon receiving that pickaxe

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>to the head. Most of the victims were in bed

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.719
<v Speaker 2>clothes except for Victoria and Churtsilia. They were in their

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.879
<v Speaker 2>regular clothes, which seemed to indicate that it probably happened

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 2>in the evening. Some people were already getting ready for bed,

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>some people had not.

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Yet, right, And they also think that the the groupers

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>were lured one by one out to the barn kind

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of scooby Doo fashion.

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because clearly it wasn't all them killed at once,

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>because there was no signs of struggle, like, uh, yeah,

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe one person went out and died and then the

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>other person was like, it hadn't been back for a while.

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, and then they died and then yeah again and again. Horrific,

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>So there was some other there was weirdness beyond that,

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>beyond these the just the horrificness of the crime and

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the bodies were covered up. This was

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>April fourth, right, They figured out that the bodies had

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>been killed or the people had been killed on March

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty first, that was the last time anybody had seen

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 1>them alive. But the neighbors said, well, wait a minute,

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that's really weird because we saw signs of life coming

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>from the farm all weekend. Yeah, there was smoke coming

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>out of the chimney the whole weekend. The live stock

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>has been fed. The dog's clearly eaten. Like, if they

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been fed or cared for in four or five days,

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.439
<v Speaker 1>they'd be showing signs of it by now. But you

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>can tell that they were tended to, yeah, like this

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>whole time. So what is that?

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Even the house itself, it showed evidence that someone

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>had eaten a meal there recently, or more recently than

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 2>four or five days ago. The bed looked like it

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 2>had been slept in since that time. And like we

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier, that Pomeranian was tied up. I saw different

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>accounts on whether the dog was somewhat injured or not.

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I did too, So let's just say the dog might

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>have been hurt some but ultimately was fine, right, and

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 2>like you know, wasn't killed or anything.

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was. It was not injured, I think, right.

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 2>So what this all signs point to the fact that

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>someone killed this family and then hung out there for

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a few days.

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>But even even more stirring is the idea that the

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>person who killed them may have been the one who

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 1>left the footprints, Yeah, and stayed in their house waiting

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to kill them, perhaps killed them and then stayed in

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the house for a few days.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>After taking care of everything.

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just live in the life.

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Very strange.

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the police started looking around pretty quickly for

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.959
<v Speaker 1>suspects and realizing, well, first we got to go with motive,

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, is what they said to themselves.

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure, like occasionally it happens that there's a vagrant that

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 2>comes through and kills for money and robs. And the

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 2>thing they found out was that there was a little

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>bit of olden money taken from the bodies, but there

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of valuable jewelry and gold coins and

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>other money in the house that was not taken, So

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>things weren't quite adding up on the robbery front.

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially if somebody the person who killed them,

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>if they were planning on robbing them, they had four

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>days to look around and amuse themselves by robbing the

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 1>whole house blind. They certainly wouldn't leave this stuff behind.

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>They also found out in the investigation that Victoria had

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>emptied her bank account and had left a donation to

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the church, but there was also a substantial amount that

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't accounted for.

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who knows.

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>What that was never turned up lost of time, So

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>robbery was kind of discarded as a motive. But another

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>one would come to light soon. We'll talk about that

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>after a break.

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, So to me, it's this guy first, is it? Yeah?

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I think so we'll go ahead and talk about this dude.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>There was a neighboring man, a neighbor as you might

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>call it.

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>If you man, you're a normal human, Hello, neighboring man,

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>how are you today?

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>If you're by all means, if you're a professional broadcaster,

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>you should say neighboring man?

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Uh So his name is Lorenz Schlittenbauer, and he was a,

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>like I said, live nearby. He was a suitor for

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Victoria and she had always said, this guy's who knocked

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 2>me up Joseph's this is Joseph's father, right, And like

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>you said earlier, he was like for a little while,

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I think he claimed paternity. But then when it when

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>he found out what that meant, so he had to

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>pay for that.

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's an English word. I didn't understand.

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly what is what is his paternity? So he backed

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>off of that claim, and later it was emerged that

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 2>she was about to sue him for paternity when before

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>this murder took place.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, So some people say, oh, well, that probably set.

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Him off, Yeah, because he was remarried and had a

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 2>kid that had died sadly by that point, So he

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't want this kind of scandal on his household.

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and he didn't want to make the payments, right, Yeah,

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>especially if he wasn't one hundred percent sure it was

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>his kid. So if you look at the Schlittenbauer guy,

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>some really weird stuff starts to emerge. In addition to

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that motive of not wanting to pay alimony for little Joseph,

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the way he behaved in the immediate wake of the

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>discovery these murders was very bizarre. He was part of

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the original search party that searched the house. Suspicious first thing, Yeah,

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of criminals like to do that. They

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>like to go to the scene of the crime as

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the search party.

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Right at leased on TV they did.

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Sure, everything I learned from the Flintstones points to this

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>guy being suspicious. He also immediately started disturbing the crime scene,

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>right like, he unstacked the stacked bodies. And when he

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>did it, apparently there were a couple of other guys there,

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and the other guys were real shaken up by just

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>being in the presence of these horribly mangled bodies. Apparently

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Schlittenbauer was totally fine handling them.

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, I got the head, you get the legs.

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>One of the men was quoted as saying he disturbed

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>everything there was to disturb, so he had no qualms

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 2>about going in there and just having his way with

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that crime scene. Apparently he was super familiar with the

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>house itself.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Which isn't necessarily a It doesn't necessarily Yeah, if especially

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>if he was, you know, dating Victoria.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well true, I would call this part of the

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>body of evidence though. Okay, So he apparently went into

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the house from the barns, which meant he knew they

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>were connected. He unlocked the front door from the inside,

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>which is like did he have a key or did

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>he know where the key was? Remember the missing keys.

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And he also apparently knew the maid's room handle was

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>unusual and he had to lift it up to enter

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and not press it down, And apparently he just went

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>right to it and lifted it up again. Maybe he

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>spent some time over there with Victoria and knew these things. Yeah,

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of this can be explained away in

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>some ways.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>They also said that the dog went nuts when he

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was around. Yeah, like it's him, right, exactly, there's the murderer,

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>which you take, take or leave that. That seems like

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>local folklore to me. Yeah, the dog the murderer.

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. And he said it was because he

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>had blood all over his shoes from disrupting the crime

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>scene and the dog was like barking at.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>That, which, by the way, the two other searchers who

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>were with him while he was disturbing the crime scene

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>asked him what he was doing, and he said, he's

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>looking for his son.

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Joseph.

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>A couple of things weird about all this, right, So,

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>if he's disturbing the crime scene to cover his tracks,

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>if he was the killer and the killer stayed behind

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>for several days, he had all the time in the

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>world to cover up his tracks, why would he do

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it in the presence of a couple of fellow searchers. Weird?

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>And then, secondly, if he was the killer and he

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>was not trying to act unaware, why would he be

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>looking for his son in the stack of bodies when

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>he knew full well his son was in his room

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>in the house.

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Misdirection.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess this guy seemed like he was not very

0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>good at misdirection.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>He had no alibi for the night. Apparently, his family said,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and this is where it gets I don't want I

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>want to say obvious. Maybe not obvious, It gets really

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>suspicious to me. His family said, oh, no, he's the

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>night they were murdered. He's spent the night in the

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>barn because he knew that there was weirdness going on

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 2>over there and he was looking out for burglars. So

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>he spent the night in the barn that night.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So he spent the night in the Gruber's barn,

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>is what they're saying.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, their own barn.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay. Yeah.

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 2>So he apparently though had asthma. So people were like, well,

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:34.479
<v Speaker 2>I would he spend the night in a barn if

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>he has Asthma's marty, right, But that was his alibi,

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty weak. He only lived three hundred and

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty meters away, which I think that's like nineteen miles.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding, what is it. It's like three football fields, right.

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I looked up the conversions and a half. It's

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>not too far. Yeah, So he could have he could

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>have been the one coming back and forth. Like the

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>fact that there were footprints leading one way doesn't to

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>me signify that someone spent six months hiding there. It

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.839
<v Speaker 2>could have been he could have come and gone as

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>he pleased, right, and not been like away from his

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>house too long that anyone noticed. Sure, and maybe he

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>walked in those same footprints. Maybe he did do the Danny.

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know, he was the one who originated the Danny.

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>He was Danny before Danny was even born.

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Or maybe he was Danny.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, this kids keeps getting weirder and weirder. Yeah,

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 1>and the more we make up about it.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>That's true. The other thing that he said that I

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 2>thought was, I mean, this is just I don't even

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 2>know if I believe this. Apparently, many years later, when

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the murder was talked about in like the Bars and

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the beer gardens, he would talk about it in the

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>first person when he speculated about the killings.

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't buy that necessarily, I don't either.

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like something that people would make up in

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>a pub. Yeah, he used to say I'd killed them, right,

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>No one ever cared, sure, I guess.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that he was the main living suspect. There

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>was another suspect who was brought back from the dead

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to be paraded around as a suspect in this case. Yeah,

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 1>not literally in some ways, yeah, but no, not literally.

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>This guy's name was Carl Gabriel and he used to

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be married to Victoria. Yeah, but he died in World

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>War One in the trenches. And the reason that he

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 1>was brought back as a possible suspect is that people said, well,

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>his body was never shipped back home. We don't actually

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>know that he really did die. Maybe maybe follow me on,

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>this is what they said. Maybe he came back to

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>reclaim his wife found out that she'd had an incestuous

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>relationship with his father. He snaps, he kills everybody.

0:35:58.320 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't buy this at all.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, they started the police, I think, and the

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Munich police department really apparently went to town trying to get

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of his murder over the years.

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And one of the other things that pointed to him,

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>supposedly was that in World War two, another whole war later,

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>supposedly some people came forward and said, you know what,

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 2>we met this Russian German speaking Russian soldier that used

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>to claim to be the Hinto kaifect killer and we

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>think that that's Karl.

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, I guess. Okay, Yeah. The thing is the Munich

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>police apparently spoke to some of the men who were

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>there when he died and they described being died. People

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>witnessed his death. Okay, even though his body didn't make

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>it back, it wasn't recovered, people saw him die all.

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>So it was verified that he was dyed to I guess,

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>at least to the satisfaction of the police.

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 2>And that was a pretty weak link anyway, because supposedly

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the reason that he fled for the war was to

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it was to fake his death, not why he fled

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>for the war, but that he faked his death to

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>get out of the marriage. Right, So why would he

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 2>get fake his death, get out of the marriage, come

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>back years later and kill them all?

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Great, great question, Chuck.

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I think they answer that is he.

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't or maybe it's the perfect crime.

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so nonsensical. He's listening right now.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Last it's the perfect crime? What else? Of course, when

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 2>they were the parents going on laying out the other

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>and they're talk of ghosts, I'm and I have some

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 2>tinfoil hat wearing people on the internet talking about paranormal

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 2>You know that it was ghosts and these strange noises

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<v Speaker 2>and this mysterious newspaper and all these footprints. Is because

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<v Speaker 2>there was some supernatural force out to get the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would account for the ghost.

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<v Speaker 2>Say that you could say that accounts for everything. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it's bunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, that one's not a not a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the Munich police very early on decapitated, had the

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<v Speaker 1>family decapitated and their skulls were sent for forensic analysis

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<v Speaker 1>and were handled by clairvoyant who apparently was not able

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<v Speaker 1>to come to any conclusions about their fate or the killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and those bodies were buried headless because those heads

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<v Speaker 2>eventually went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently they kept them in the Nuremberg I guess

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<v Speaker 1>in their one of their city government buildings and it

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<v Speaker 1>was leveled in World War two. They think that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the skulls were lost.

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<v Speaker 2>They think I was mixed in with the other skulls.

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<v Speaker 1>It is either that or the ghost that did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the cops part, they interviewed over one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>suspects over the years, including the clear killer to me,

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<v Speaker 2>the neighboring.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Lawrence Schlittenbauer.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it all points to him. He apparently

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<v Speaker 2>years later two was like, God did the right thing

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<v Speaker 2>with this family, like they were awful people. And he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say except for my possible son, the two year old, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he just said all of them they deserved it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So it just kind of seems obvious to me that

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<v Speaker 2>it was him, because it was someone stayed there, someone

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<v Speaker 2>knew the house, someone took great care covering the bodies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't seem like a random burglary.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that is a very bizarre thing to do, to

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<v Speaker 1>stick around afterward unless you feel like you're within your

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<v Speaker 1>own safe zone. And if you lived three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty meters away, yeah, maybe you would feel safe there. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that you could retreat very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or know that, like I know, no one comes

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<v Speaker 2>by here, whereas if it was a burglar, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't feel so comfy hanging out for days on end.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So, yeah, you're right, it probably was him, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one will ever be able to prove it one

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<v Speaker 1>way or another.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't have any hard evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and the evidence they did take a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it was lost. This is nineteen twenty two, so a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of forensic techniques hadn't been invented

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<v Speaker 1>yet or were still being developed elsewhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and seven a police academy in

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<v Speaker 1>Munich got their hands on the case. Some students did.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gutenberg Police Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>The first enfeld Brook just throughing Brook after you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why not, let's throw in another syllable that students from

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<v Speaker 1>that police academy investigated this crime and in Germany like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty this is an enormously famous crime. Huge there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there, Jack the Ripper, for sure. It will never

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<v Speaker 1>be solved, it's not possible being solved. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion from those students that the first in felt

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<v Speaker 1>Brooke Police Academy, they said, we think we know who

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it is. We're not since this is unsolvable and they

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<v Speaker 1>will never be able to be proven. We're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to name the person because they still have relatives alive,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can guess it's the one living suspect that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's ever really raised. Yeah it was probably him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't say that. That was my conclusion of their conclusions.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they said, thank you police Academy for your

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<v Speaker 2>findings And where's the guy that makes all the funny

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>noises with his mouth?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Steve Gutenberg follows us on Twitter?

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<v Speaker 2>No way, yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah at Steve gutbuck really yeah. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>in like a Sharknado esque movie. I'm not sure what

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the name of it is, but he's in it with

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who does the voices.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really saw his name, Michael Something made? Yeah, Michael Something,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that. And I think I mentioned this

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. Maybe that's why he follows this. Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Gutenberg was in one of the very best episodes of

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite TV shows, Party Down And did

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>you ever see that show?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Boy?

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<v Speaker 2>It was good. Yeah, it was really really funny. Had

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<v Speaker 2>the great Adam Scott and Lizzie Kaplan and one of

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>my heroes, Ken Marino from the State and Martin Starr

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<v Speaker 2>megam Malalley.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great, good episode. Well.

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>They were caterers like cater waiters all actors and writers

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and stuff in Hollywood, and each episode was its own

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>thing on catering event and they had one where they

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<v Speaker 2>showed up to Steve Guttenberg's house for his birthday party

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and he pulled up and he's like, oh, man, like

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to cancel. I really had the party a

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>couple of days ago with my friends. He's like, but

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>since you're all here, why don't we just have a party.

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 2>And so the waiters end up having a party with

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Gutenberg and he like does some scene acting with them

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 2>and gives them great wine and he has great art

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's just really really funny in it.

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I can imagine. Yeah, dude, he.

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Seems so awesome. After watching this episode, I was like, man,

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Goots is the best and I think they called them

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>goots in the show even Yeah anyway, or just good

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 2>book to shout out to party down, great great show.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>And Steve Gubenberg, Yeah, do you have a listener mail?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is this too spooky? For one?

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>He did great work on that Bible. Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a listener to real.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, if you want to know more about hinter Kaifek,

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>you can go listen to stuff you missed in history class.

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I think they did an episode that covered it as well.

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>You can search Mysterious universe dot org and all sorts

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of other places for it. And since I said, uh,

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>hinter Kaifek it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we do listener mail, we want to give a

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<v Speaker 2>very special thank you to Margaret and Mike and Jacksonville, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks, guys.

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they step forward and helped Jerry out in a

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 2>big way as the stuff you should know Army is

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 2>often does. Sure, And it's all we're gonna say other

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<v Speaker 2>than big, big thanks to you guys for helping out

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<v Speaker 2>for real? How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna call this listener mail squirrel shooting. Hey, guys,

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>been listening for about a love the show. I was

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 2>listening to the Polar Bears episode and I stopped dead

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in my tracks when Chuck told a story about shooting

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a squirrel. When I was about thirteen, I too, thought

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I was a tough guy and wanted to hunt animals.

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 2>My grandparents lived on some land and agreed to let

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 2>my cousin I shoot a squirrel as long as we'd

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 2>agreed to skin it and eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>They like, they'll never do it.

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you gotta love those depressionaire a grandparents like, sure,

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:25.720
<v Speaker 2>skin it and eat it. It's all yours.

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I have envisioned them as hippies, like passing a joint

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>like joking about how stupid their grandkids were. Wow depressionaire, Sure,

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I see that one too.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so we were very excited. We dressed up

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 2>in camo walked the property, because you know, you gotta

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 2>dress in camo if you're unting squirrel. Sure, eventually found

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a squirrel in a tree. I should note that we

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>were using a pellet gun, not like a real bullet gun.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I took the first shot and hit the squirrel fell

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 2>from the tree, and much to my chagrin, he did

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<v Speaker 2>not die. He made a noise I hope to never

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 2>hear again. It was that awful. I had to hand

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the gun to my cousin. I just could not do

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>it and take the other shot. We ended up skinning it,

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>needing it though alive. He said it tastes like chicken,

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<v Speaker 2>So why bother?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we promised that we would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the last time I considered killing an animal

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<v Speaker 2>for sport. I've always loved animals, so I'm not sure

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 2>where this urge came from to begin with. Actually run

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>a small online candle company now that sells dog themecandles dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>They donates.

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 1>We give them a lot.

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I know they donate ten percent of all profits to

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 2>animal shelters and rescues. And so, Stephen, I am going

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<v Speaker 2>to plug your company. Yeah over my wife's candle company

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<v Speaker 2>even which is Mama Bath and Body.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can go to www. Dot knox favorite k

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<v Speaker 2>n o x S Knox's favorite dot com and Knox

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<v Speaker 2>was their.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog in the company after that's sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>These are soy candles. I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're good made from dogs. Uh No, maybe waiting from

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<v Speaker 1>zoely Dal.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again for everything you do your daily listen for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to hope you continue for years to come.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Stephen Steven.

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<v Speaker 1>Way to go, Steven, thank you for that. We appreciate

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