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Speaker 1: playlist off with our episode on a grizzly unsolved mystery

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Speaker 1: from nineteen twenty two in Bavaria, where a family was

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Speaker 1: found murdered on their farm. It has all sorts of

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Speaker 1: weird twists and turns, and it's a genuinely mysterious unsolved case. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry Yep. This is stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this is a bonus Halloween episode

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Speaker 2: regular ad free Halloween Show.

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Speaker 1: On Halloween, the real bonus episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly where we do our traditional reading. It's all

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Speaker 2: gussied up by Jerry. But you were like, hey, since

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Speaker 2: this is Hello weekend, almost right, why don't we just

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Speaker 2: tell the story of an ex murdered family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I hope it didn't spoil it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we probably would have

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So we decided to just do a little

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Speaker 2: creepy episode this one. If you have your children, you

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Speaker 2: may want to vet this one because it's definitely about

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Speaker 2: an ex murdered family.

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Speaker 1: It don't be a sicko.

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Speaker 2: It's up to you whether or not you want to

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Speaker 2: expose them to this kind of treachery.

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Speaker 1: This is bad stuff. Are you ready for it?

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Speaker 2: If you get your German pronunciation down. By the way,

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Speaker 2: should we.

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Speaker 1: Talk about hinter kxia chang hinter k yeah, dsha.

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Speaker 2: Chang yeah, chang chung more specifically?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: The irony of all.

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Speaker 1: Why should I ever get it right at all?

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Speaker 2: The irony of all this is I was almost right

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Speaker 2: when I first said it, yeah and said I don't

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Speaker 2: such a big deal about it being correct and the

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Speaker 2: and that happens.

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Speaker 2: So dixia chang is really dsha chung sort.

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Speaker 1: Of okay, And hinter kek is kaik hinter kaifak Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: maybe we should have a sound effect when it happens,

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get spooky chuck, shall we. Yes, Because there's

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Speaker 2: It would be uh chert Celia, Toutzilia, sure tu yeah, Chertzilia.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Chuck as we'll find a lot of

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Speaker 1: Lastly, there was a little boy, two year old named Joseph,

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Speaker 1: Also the time when like people routinely died from the flu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andreas right, that was the rumor in town.

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Speaker 2: Which smacks to me of small town nineteen twenty stuff.

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Speaker 1: No, but that was definitely the rumor in town. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he apparently was very controlling of Victoria.

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Speaker 2: So Victoria was the only one supposedly that kind of

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Speaker 2: And so this is the scene here in semi Rule Bavaria.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we want to give a shout out we've given.

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Speaker 1: We found some other articles about the case itself, but

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Speaker 1: the main one that we started with was from Mysterious

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we everything else I read about it, it

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Speaker 2: So things start to get a little weird on the

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Speaker 2: I'm out of here. I quit because this house is haunted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And apparently she left pretty quickly and suddenly, and

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's an easy way to quiet the townspeople if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to cuckoo. Yeah, you don't want people

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you don't want that. That's where you drove

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Speaker 1: the line incest abuse. Sure, that's allow, but you don't

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So the maid leaves and that kind of sets the tone,

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Speaker 1: like that kicks off this season of dread. Oh that

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Speaker 2: It'd be a good name for the movie version of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: season of dread.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't believe there's not a number of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked it up. Apparently there were a couple

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Speaker 2: that weren't very big, but nothing nothing that ever start

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Speaker 1: Well, if it doesn't have him, like, who cares?

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Speaker 1: This sure, you know, maybe even Andreas Kruber, who I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because anytime you get to that point, Yeah, Jesus

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Speaker 2: And that's not the only weird thing that happened on

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Speaker 2: And there's a Chicago Tribune from nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: All right? Should we take a break?

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Speaker 2: All right, things are weird. This is in March nineteen

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Speaker 1: The last day of March nineteen twenty two, the thirty first.

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Speaker 1: But in a few days they would realize that this day,

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Speaker 2: That was free.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Andreas, the papa, daughter Victoria, and dear old Cecilia,

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Speaker 2: Oh did I miss that?

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 2: that was not the cause of death. And by all accounts,

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00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: everyone else died pretty much immediately upon receiving that pickaxe

441
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: to the head. Most of the victims were in bed

442
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 2: clothes except for Victoria and Churtsilia. They were in their

443
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: regular clothes, which seemed to indicate that it probably happened

444
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: in the evening. Some people were already getting ready for bed,

445
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: some people had not.

446
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: Yet, right, And they also think that the the groupers

447
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: were lured one by one out to the barn kind

448
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: of scooby Doo fashion.

449
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because clearly it wasn't all them killed at once,

450
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: because there was no signs of struggle, like, uh, yeah,

451
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: maybe one person went out and died and then the

452
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: other person was like, it hadn't been back for a while.

453
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: Right, and then they died and then yeah again and again. Horrific,

454
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: So there was some other there was weirdness beyond that,

455
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: beyond these the just the horrificness of the crime and

456
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: the fact that the bodies were covered up. This was

457
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: April fourth, right, They figured out that the bodies had

458
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: been killed or the people had been killed on March

459
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: thirty first, that was the last time anybody had seen

460
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: them alive. But the neighbors said, well, wait a minute,

461
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: that's really weird because we saw signs of life coming

462
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: from the farm all weekend. Yeah, there was smoke coming

463
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: out of the chimney the whole weekend. The live stock

464
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: has been fed. The dog's clearly eaten. Like, if they

465
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: hadn't been fed or cared for in four or five days,

466
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: they'd be showing signs of it by now. But you

467
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: can tell that they were tended to, yeah, like this

468
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: whole time. So what is that?

469
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: Yeah? Even the house itself, it showed evidence that someone

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: had eaten a meal there recently, or more recently than

471
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: four or five days ago. The bed looked like it

472
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: had been slept in since that time. And like we

473
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, that Pomeranian was tied up. I saw different

474
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: accounts on whether the dog was somewhat injured or not.

475
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: I did too, So let's just say the dog might

476
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: have been hurt some but ultimately was fine, right, and

477
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: like you know, wasn't killed or anything.

478
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was not injured, I think, right.

479
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: So what this all signs point to the fact that

480
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: someone killed this family and then hung out there for

481
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: a few days.

482
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: But even even more stirring is the idea that the

483
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: person who killed them may have been the one who

484
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: left the footprints, Yeah, and stayed in their house waiting

485
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: to kill them, perhaps killed them and then stayed in

486
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: the house for a few days.

487
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: After taking care of everything.

488
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, just live in the life.

489
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: Very strange.

490
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the police started looking around pretty quickly for

491
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: suspects and realizing, well, first we got to go with motive,

492
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I think, is what they said to themselves.

493
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: Sure, like occasionally it happens that there's a vagrant that

494
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: comes through and kills for money and robs. And the

495
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: thing they found out was that there was a little

496
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: bit of olden money taken from the bodies, but there

497
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: was a lot of valuable jewelry and gold coins and

498
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: other money in the house that was not taken, So

499
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: things weren't quite adding up on the robbery front.

500
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if somebody the person who killed them,

501
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: if they were planning on robbing them, they had four

502
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: days to look around and amuse themselves by robbing the

503
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: whole house blind. They certainly wouldn't leave this stuff behind.

504
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: They also found out in the investigation that Victoria had

505
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: emptied her bank account and had left a donation to

506
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: the church, but there was also a substantial amount that

507
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: just wasn't accounted for.

508
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows.

509
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: What that was never turned up lost of time, So

510
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: robbery was kind of discarded as a motive. But another

511
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: one would come to light soon. We'll talk about that

512
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: after a break.

513
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: All right, So to me, it's this guy first, is it? Yeah?

514
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: I think so we'll go ahead and talk about this dude.

515
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: There was a neighboring man, a neighbor as you might

516
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: call it.

517
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: If you man, you're a normal human, Hello, neighboring man,

518
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: how are you today?

519
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: If you're by all means, if you're a professional broadcaster,

520
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: you should say neighboring man?

521
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: All right?

522
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: Uh So his name is Lorenz Schlittenbauer, and he was a,

523
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: like I said, live nearby. He was a suitor for

524
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Victoria and she had always said, this guy's who knocked

525
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: me up Joseph's this is Joseph's father, right, And like

526
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: you said earlier, he was like for a little while,

527
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: I think he claimed paternity. But then when it when

528
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: he found out what that meant, so he had to

529
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: pay for that.

530
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: He's like, that's an English word. I didn't understand.

531
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: Exactly what is what is his paternity? So he backed

532
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: off of that claim, and later it was emerged that

533
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: she was about to sue him for paternity when before

534
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: this murder took place.

535
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: Right, So some people say, oh, well, that probably set.

536
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Him off, Yeah, because he was remarried and had a

537
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: kid that had died sadly by that point, So he

538
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: didn't want this kind of scandal on his household.

539
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Sure, and he didn't want to make the payments, right, Yeah,

540
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: especially if he wasn't one hundred percent sure it was

541
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: his kid. So if you look at the Schlittenbauer guy,

542
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: some really weird stuff starts to emerge. In addition to

543
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: that motive of not wanting to pay alimony for little Joseph,

544
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: the way he behaved in the immediate wake of the

545
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: discovery these murders was very bizarre. He was part of

546
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: the original search party that searched the house. Suspicious first thing, Yeah,

547
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: because a lot of criminals like to do that. They

548
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: like to go to the scene of the crime as

549
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: part of the search party.

550
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Right at leased on TV they did.

551
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Sure, everything I learned from the Flintstones points to this

552
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: guy being suspicious. He also immediately started disturbing the crime scene,

553
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: right like, he unstacked the stacked bodies. And when he

554
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: did it, apparently there were a couple of other guys there,

555
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: and the other guys were real shaken up by just

556
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: being in the presence of these horribly mangled bodies. Apparently

557
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: Schlittenbauer was totally fine handling them.

558
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, I got the head, you get the legs.

559
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: One of the men was quoted as saying he disturbed

560
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: everything there was to disturb, so he had no qualms

561
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: about going in there and just having his way with

562
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: that crime scene. Apparently he was super familiar with the

563
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: house itself.

564
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Which isn't necessarily a It doesn't necessarily Yeah, if especially

565
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: if he was, you know, dating Victoria.

566
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well true, I would call this part of the

567
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: body of evidence though. Okay, So he apparently went into

568
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: the house from the barns, which meant he knew they

569
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: were connected. He unlocked the front door from the inside,

570
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: which is like did he have a key or did

571
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: he know where the key was? Remember the missing keys.

572
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: And he also apparently knew the maid's room handle was

573
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: unusual and he had to lift it up to enter

574
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: and not press it down, And apparently he just went

575
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: right to it and lifted it up again. Maybe he

576
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: spent some time over there with Victoria and knew these things. Yeah,

577
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: like a lot of this can be explained away in

578
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: some ways.

579
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: They also said that the dog went nuts when he

580
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: was around. Yeah, like it's him, right, exactly, there's the murderer,

581
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: which you take, take or leave that. That seems like

582
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: local folklore to me. Yeah, the dog the murderer.

583
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And he said it was because he

584
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: had blood all over his shoes from disrupting the crime

585
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: scene and the dog was like barking at.

586
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: That, which, by the way, the two other searchers who

587
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: were with him while he was disturbing the crime scene

588
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: asked him what he was doing, and he said, he's

589
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: looking for his son.

590
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joseph.

591
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: A couple of things weird about all this, right, So,

592
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: if he's disturbing the crime scene to cover his tracks,

593
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: if he was the killer and the killer stayed behind

594
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: for several days, he had all the time in the

595
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: world to cover up his tracks, why would he do

596
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: it in the presence of a couple of fellow searchers. Weird?

597
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: And then, secondly, if he was the killer and he

598
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: was not trying to act unaware, why would he be

599
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: looking for his son in the stack of bodies when

600
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: he knew full well his son was in his room

601
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in the house.

602
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Misdirection.

603
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I guess this guy seemed like he was not very

604
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: good at misdirection.

605
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: He had no alibi for the night. Apparently, his family said,

606
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: and this is where it gets I don't want I

607
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: want to say obvious. Maybe not obvious, It gets really

608
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: suspicious to me. His family said, oh, no, he's the

609
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: night they were murdered. He's spent the night in the

610
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: barn because he knew that there was weirdness going on

611
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: over there and he was looking out for burglars. So

612
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: he spent the night in the barn that night.

613
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So he spent the night in the Gruber's barn,

614
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: is what they're saying.

615
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no, their own barn.

616
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay. Yeah.

617
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: So he apparently though had asthma. So people were like, well,

618
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: I would he spend the night in a barn if

619
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: he has Asthma's marty, right, But that was his alibi,

620
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: which is pretty weak. He only lived three hundred and

621
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: fifty meters away, which I think that's like nineteen miles.

622
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, what is it. It's like three football fields, right.

623
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked up the conversions and a half. It's

624
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: not too far. Yeah, So he could have he could

625
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: have been the one coming back and forth. Like the

626
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: fact that there were footprints leading one way doesn't to

627
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: me signify that someone spent six months hiding there. It

628
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: could have been he could have come and gone as

629
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: he pleased, right, and not been like away from his

630
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: house too long that anyone noticed. Sure, and maybe he

631
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: walked in those same footprints. Maybe he did do the Danny.

632
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, he was the one who originated the Danny.

633
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: He was Danny before Danny was even born.

634
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: That's true. Or maybe he was Danny.

635
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: Oh man, this kids keeps getting weirder and weirder. Yeah,

636
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: and the more we make up about it.

637
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: That's true. The other thing that he said that I

638
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: thought was, I mean, this is just I don't even

639
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: know if I believe this. Apparently, many years later, when

640
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: the murder was talked about in like the Bars and

641
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: the beer gardens, he would talk about it in the

642
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: first person when he speculated about the killings.

643
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't buy that necessarily, I don't either.

644
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: That sounds like something that people would make up in

645
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: a pub. Yeah, he used to say I'd killed them, right,

646
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: No one ever cared, sure, I guess.

647
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that he was the main living suspect. There

648
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: was another suspect who was brought back from the dead

649
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: to be paraded around as a suspect in this case. Yeah,

650
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: not literally in some ways, yeah, but no, not literally.

651
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: This guy's name was Carl Gabriel and he used to

652
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: be married to Victoria. Yeah, but he died in World

653
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: War One in the trenches. And the reason that he

654
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: was brought back as a possible suspect is that people said, well,

655
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: his body was never shipped back home. We don't actually

656
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: know that he really did die. Maybe maybe follow me on,

657
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: this is what they said. Maybe he came back to

658
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: reclaim his wife found out that she'd had an incestuous

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Speaker 1: relationship with his father. He snaps, he kills everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't buy this at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, they started the police, I think, and the

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Speaker 1: Munich police department really apparently went to town trying to get

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Speaker 1: to the bottom of his murder over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the other things that pointed to him,

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Speaker 2: supposedly was that in World War two, another whole war later,

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Speaker 2: supposedly some people came forward and said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we met this Russian German speaking Russian soldier that used

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Speaker 2: to claim to be the Hinto kaifect killer and we

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Speaker 2: think that that's Karl.

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Speaker 1: Right, I guess. Okay, Yeah. The thing is the Munich

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Speaker 1: police apparently spoke to some of the men who were

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Speaker 1: there when he died and they described being died. People

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Speaker 1: witnessed his death. Okay, even though his body didn't make

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Speaker 1: it back, it wasn't recovered, people saw him die all.

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Speaker 1: So it was verified that he was dyed to I guess,

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Speaker 1: at least to the satisfaction of the police.

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Speaker 2: And that was a pretty weak link anyway, because supposedly

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Speaker 2: the reason that he fled for the war was to

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Speaker 2: it was to fake his death, not why he fled

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Speaker 2: for the war, but that he faked his death to

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Speaker 2: get out of the marriage. Right, So why would he

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Speaker 2: get fake his death, get out of the marriage, come

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Speaker 2: back years later and kill them all?

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Speaker 1: Great, great question, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they answer that is he.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't or maybe it's the perfect crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nonsensical. He's listening right now.

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Speaker 2: Last it's the perfect crime? What else? Of course, when

690
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Speaker 2: they were the parents going on laying out the other

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Speaker 2: and they're talk of ghosts, I'm and I have some

692
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Speaker 2: tinfoil hat wearing people on the internet talking about paranormal

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Speaker 2: You know that it was ghosts and these strange noises

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Speaker 2: and this mysterious newspaper and all these footprints. Is because

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Speaker 2: there was some supernatural force out to get the family.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would account for the ghost.

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Speaker 2: Say that you could say that accounts for everything. Sure,

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Speaker 2: that's why it's bunk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that one's not a not a big one.

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Speaker 1: Although the Munich police very early on decapitated, had the

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Speaker 1: family decapitated and their skulls were sent for forensic analysis

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Speaker 1: and were handled by clairvoyant who apparently was not able

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Speaker 1: to come to any conclusions about their fate or the killer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and those bodies were buried headless because those heads

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Speaker 2: eventually went missing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently they kept them in the Nuremberg I guess

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Speaker 1: in their one of their city government buildings and it

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Speaker 1: was leveled in World War two. They think that's where

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Speaker 1: the skulls were lost.

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Speaker 2: They think I was mixed in with the other skulls.

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Speaker 1: It is either that or the ghost that did it.

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Speaker 2: So for the cops part, they interviewed over one hundred

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Speaker 2: suspects over the years, including the clear killer to me,

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Speaker 2: the neighboring.

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Speaker 1: Man Lawrence Schlittenbauer.

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Speaker 2: I just think it all points to him. He apparently

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Speaker 2: years later two was like, God did the right thing

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Speaker 2: with this family, like they were awful people. And he

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Speaker 2: didn't say except for my possible son, the two year old, right,

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00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: he just said all of them they deserved it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So it just kind of seems obvious to me that

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Speaker 2: it was him, because it was someone stayed there, someone

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Speaker 2: knew the house, someone took great care covering the bodies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't seem like a random burglary.

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Speaker 1: No, that is a very bizarre thing to do, to

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Speaker 1: stick around afterward unless you feel like you're within your

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Speaker 1: own safe zone. And if you lived three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty meters away, yeah, maybe you would feel safe there. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that you could retreat very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or know that, like I know, no one comes

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Speaker 2: by here, whereas if it was a burglar, they probably

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Speaker 2: wouldn't feel so comfy hanging out for days on end.

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Speaker 1: Right. So, yeah, you're right, it probably was him, but

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Speaker 1: no one will ever be able to prove it one

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Speaker 1: way or another.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't have any hard evidence.

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Speaker 1: No, and the evidence they did take a lot of

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Speaker 1: it was lost. This is nineteen twenty two, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of forensic techniques hadn't been invented

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Speaker 1: yet or were still being developed elsewhere in the world.

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Speaker 1: So in two thousand and seven a police academy in

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Speaker 1: Munich got their hands on the case. Some students did.

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Speaker 2: The Gutenberg Police Academy.

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Speaker 1: The first enfeld Brook just throughing Brook after you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why not, let's throw in another syllable that students from

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Speaker 1: that police academy investigated this crime and in Germany like,

747
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty this is an enormously famous crime. Huge there,

748
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: it's there, Jack the Ripper, for sure. It will never

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Speaker 1: be solved, it's not possible being solved. And this is

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Speaker 1: the conclusion from those students that the first in felt

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Speaker 1: Brooke Police Academy, they said, we think we know who

752
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: it is. We're not since this is unsolvable and they

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00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: will never be able to be proven. We're not going

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00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: to name the person because they still have relatives alive,

755
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: but you can guess it's the one living suspect that

756
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: anyone's ever really raised. Yeah it was probably him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't say that. That was my conclusion of their conclusions.

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Speaker 2: And then they said, thank you police Academy for your

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00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: findings And where's the guy that makes all the funny

760
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: noises with his mouth?

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00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: You know? Steve Gutenberg follows us on Twitter?

762
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Speaker 2: No way, yeah?

763
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: Really yeah at Steve gutbuck really yeah. And he is

764
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: in like a Sharknado esque movie. I'm not sure what

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00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: the name of it is, but he's in it with

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Speaker 1: the guy who does the voices.

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Speaker 2: Oh really saw his name, Michael Something made? Yeah, Michael Something,

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Speaker 2: I will say that. And I think I mentioned this

769
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Speaker 2: on the show. Maybe that's why he follows this. Steve

770
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: Gutenberg was in one of the very best episodes of

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00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: one of my favorite TV shows, Party Down And did

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00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: you ever see that show?

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00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: No? Boy?

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00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: It was good. Yeah, it was really really funny. Had

775
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: the great Adam Scott and Lizzie Kaplan and one of

776
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: my heroes, Ken Marino from the State and Martin Starr

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Speaker 2: megam Malalley.

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00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: It was great, good episode. Well.

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00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: They were caterers like cater waiters all actors and writers

780
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: and stuff in Hollywood, and each episode was its own

781
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: thing on catering event and they had one where they

782
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: showed up to Steve Guttenberg's house for his birthday party

783
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: and he pulled up and he's like, oh, man, like

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00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: I forgot to cancel. I really had the party a

785
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: couple of days ago with my friends. He's like, but

786
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: since you're all here, why don't we just have a party.

787
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: And so the waiters end up having a party with

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Speaker 2: Gutenberg and he like does some scene acting with them

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00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: and gives them great wine and he has great art

790
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Speaker 2: and he's just really really funny in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I can imagine. Yeah, dude, he.

792
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: Seems so awesome. After watching this episode, I was like, man,

793
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Goots is the best and I think they called them

794
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: goots in the show even Yeah anyway, or just good

795
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: book to shout out to party down, great great show.

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Speaker 1: And Steve Gubenberg, Yeah, do you have a listener mail?

797
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Speaker 1: Or is this too spooky? For one?

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Speaker 2: He did great work on that Bible. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: a listener to real.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you want to know more about hinter Kaifek,

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Speaker 1: you can go listen to stuff you missed in history class.

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Speaker 1: I think they did an episode that covered it as well.

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Speaker 1: You can search Mysterious universe dot org and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of other places for it. And since I said, uh,

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Speaker 1: hinter Kaifek it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 2: Before we do listener mail, we want to give a

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Speaker 2: very special thank you to Margaret and Mike and Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they step forward and helped Jerry out in a

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Speaker 2: big way as the stuff you should know Army is

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Speaker 2: often does. Sure, And it's all we're gonna say other

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Speaker 2: than big, big thanks to you guys for helping out

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Speaker 2: for real? How about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna call this listener mail squirrel shooting. Hey, guys,

816
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: been listening for about a love the show. I was

817
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: listening to the Polar Bears episode and I stopped dead

818
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: in my tracks when Chuck told a story about shooting

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00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: a squirrel. When I was about thirteen, I too, thought

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00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: I was a tough guy and wanted to hunt animals.

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Speaker 2: My grandparents lived on some land and agreed to let

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00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: my cousin I shoot a squirrel as long as we'd

823
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: agreed to skin it and eat it.

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Speaker 1: They like, they'll never do it.

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00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta love those depressionaire a grandparents like, sure,

826
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: skin it and eat it. It's all yours.

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Speaker 1: I have envisioned them as hippies, like passing a joint

828
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: like joking about how stupid their grandkids were. Wow depressionaire, Sure,

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Speaker 1: I see that one too.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we were very excited. We dressed up

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Speaker 2: in camo walked the property, because you know, you gotta

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Speaker 2: dress in camo if you're unting squirrel. Sure, eventually found

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Speaker 2: a squirrel in a tree. I should note that we

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Speaker 2: were using a pellet gun, not like a real bullet gun.

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Speaker 2: I took the first shot and hit the squirrel fell

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Speaker 2: from the tree, and much to my chagrin, he did

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Speaker 2: not die. He made a noise I hope to never

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00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: hear again. It was that awful. I had to hand

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Speaker 2: the gun to my cousin. I just could not do

840
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: it and take the other shot. We ended up skinning it,

841
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: needing it though alive. He said it tastes like chicken,

842
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Speaker 2: So why bother?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

844
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: Like we promised that we would do.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: That was the last time I considered killing an animal

847
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: for sport. I've always loved animals, so I'm not sure

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00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: where this urge came from to begin with. Actually run

849
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Speaker 2: a small online candle company now that sells dog themecandles dogs.

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Speaker 2: They donates.

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Speaker 1: We give them a lot.

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Speaker 2: I know they donate ten percent of all profits to

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Speaker 2: animal shelters and rescues. And so, Stephen, I am going

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Speaker 2: to plug your company. Yeah over my wife's candle company

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Speaker 2: even which is Mama Bath and Body.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you can go to www. Dot knox favorite k

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Speaker 2: n o x S Knox's favorite dot com and Knox

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Speaker 2: was their.

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Speaker 1: Dog in the company after that's sweet.

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Speaker 2: These are soy candles. I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: They're good made from dogs. Uh No, maybe waiting from

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Speaker 1: zoely Dal.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again for everything you do your daily listen for me.

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Speaker 2: I hope to hope you continue for years to come.

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Speaker 2: That is Stephen Steven.

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Speaker 1: Way to go, Steven, thank you for that. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you lending us share your horrible story with everybody. Uh.

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