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Speaker 1: Ben, I don't have much voice. I don't have much voice.

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Speaker 1: But hey, you see me in this white shirt. Don't

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Speaker 1: not look angelic?

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Speaker 2: Uh? And jel, I know you too well to ever

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Speaker 2: feel like you'll be angelic, So just normal. Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: try to play you back from the dark side. They

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Speaker 2: got me, so maybe we'll get you too.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you can't make jokes about that, man?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: Because okay, we can't make jokes about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're in a clear a little bit. Hey, Ben, So,

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Speaker 1: how's everything I was? I was life, I was everything.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks now we did this. Hey,

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Speaker 1: the reception to us doing our podcast again was very

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Speaker 1: very good. I enjoyed that. I like people seem to

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Speaker 1: be happy that you were back with In reality, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times you pissing them off.

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Speaker 2: Bit you would be well, you know what you know

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Speaker 2: I pissed them off is because you know it's your

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Speaker 2: fault you make me say the things. Although I would

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Speaker 2: like you could I address the controversy for the last time,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, because you know, well, okay, so well, two things.

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Speaker 2: Number one, heel that you just died, are you're still

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Speaker 2: going to be a hater, and it's like, okay, number one,

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Speaker 2: I don't really I wasn't really making an opinion. I

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Speaker 2: was making a statement of facts. So and also, just

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Speaker 2: because you die doesn't mean you can't live anymore. What

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Speaker 2: do you mean, Well, I made a statement of fact

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Speaker 2: about nath Dieza's record, and I said it's average, and

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Speaker 2: so like, I'll just give you an example if you said,

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Speaker 2: if Daniel said, hey, Ben, what was your record in

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Speaker 2: the ufc SA, it was one and two? You know what,

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Speaker 2: it's below average. That is below average. There's just there's

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Speaker 2: just no way to spend that. And that wasn't I

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Speaker 2: came in when I was retired. I thought three guys

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Speaker 2: two is not a good record. It's just pretty Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why we're debating that.

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Speaker 1: Can you accept that? Can you and you accept that freely?

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Speaker 1: Not a problem? No? I mean like, but do you

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't.

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Speaker 2: They did threaten a lung lung transparent patient. That was

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Speaker 2: You didn't say he didn't say long transplants and long

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Speaker 2: long wait wait wait wait.

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Speaker 2: The Louise fight, he said something Louise, I don't care

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Speaker 2: for a long, transparent patient. I'll slap you or something,

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Speaker 2: which I found to be hilarious. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: like I was.

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Speaker 1: No Louise Sin the tweet, they went at.

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Speaker 2: You, That's what I saw. I didn't look too much

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Speaker 2: it's just a statement of fact, that's it. No, I

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Speaker 1: Bro, A bet did you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They got you?

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Speaker 1: It was good. Am I that fat?

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Speaker 1: And but wait, I mean I am fat. I get it.

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Speaker 1: I've put on some weight since I stopped fighting.

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Speaker 2: I think you started working out again, aren't you the

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Speaker 2: You're not that fat?

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Speaker 1: Showed the video, Louise. I mean, Ben, that's crazy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know what's really messed up is the Russians and I.

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Speaker 1: We have this great relationship where we make jokes. We pull,

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Speaker 2: Now, let me see a little bit. Yep, that's the tweet.

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Speaker 2: It was real. I was I was right.

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Speaker 1: He said he's gonna slap you next time he's seen you.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I've been sad before.

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Speaker 1: Why do you give me across quick? The ideas too?

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Speaker 2: But we can't let him slap It's okay by that time,

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna base whether or not he's good jiu

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Speaker 2: Right, my friend knocked out Nate, your friend knocked out?

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Speaker 1: I remember that now. Yeah, bro, we just keep picking.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I just you just you just you're back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben, where I'm happy for you, man, that makes

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Speaker 1: I can imagine. It was one of the best feelings

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Speaker 2: Well, twin I was, I had such a great day

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Speaker 2: and I'm just firing two weeks away because see, Iowa

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Speaker 2: it only works good listen, And since you're a bully,

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Speaker 1: I was like, get out of my VIP section. You

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Speaker 1: You said that earlier. Yet the person that I know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean the statement of fact is some

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Speaker 1: I'm actually happy, I hope on a daily basis his

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Speaker 1: That's what people don't understand, like I think, I don't.

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Speaker 1: But he is fighting, right, he is fighting. So I

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Speaker 1: But can I count on John Jones. Can't have Jones

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing, right, Joel's is smart inside the outgoon,

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Speaker 1: Now that statement you just made, would that be considered selfish?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's smart and it's but you know,

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Speaker 2: he was lying to Dance's Dane, I'm gonna come back

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Speaker 1: You remember what? But do you remember it? Now? This

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Speaker 1: Asphal fight. That was a situation greed. I don't call

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Speaker 2: Well, that's by that's by a trusting right, That's that's

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Speaker 2: I do. I do not. I do not classify that

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00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: as selfish.

435
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: I do because, like you, gotta make sure. I always

436
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: believe this, and I believe this was just about everything

437
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: that I do. You leave it better than you found it,

438
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: whether but.

439
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: Data did not operate like that. I mean, like, listen, Dana,

440
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: I love Dana, good or bad, but he he didn't

441
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 2: be really dirty. Think about how we're talking one fifty five.

442
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 2: Think about what he's doing to uh arment right now.

443
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: But listen, think about this right, this is just me.

444
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: You leave it better than you found it, at least

445
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: you try to. I do, because there's gonna be someone

446
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: behind you right that may need it more than you did.

447
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: Whether you're going into your high school wrestling team, leave

448
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: the program better or you're going into a job. The

449
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: next person should find that job in a great place

450
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: that you left it. Always leave it better than you

451
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: found it. You don't believe, and that would be the

452
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: case if.

453
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: You and I were buddies. But we have maybe different

454
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: feelings about the UFCU. A lot warmer. You've been there

455
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: for a long time to care you. You have a

456
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: great job with them. Me obviously, I have a very

457
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: mixed bag. I appreciate the opportunity, but if you've watched

458
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: out Data Operates, it is a very transactional business. If

459
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: you can do something for the company, he'll push you,

460
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: and if you can't, he's kind of freaking ruthless. Like

461
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: he's really really can be ruthless, and you know, as

462
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: a businessman, that's his right to be able to be ruthless.

463
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: I don't really hold that against him, but that doesn't

464
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: mean I'm not going to acknowledge it as what is true.

465
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: And so now that John is treating it transactionally also

466
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: and to another guy we're probably talk about tonight, We're

467
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: going to talk for a long time. Apparently Connor is

468
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: treating it very transactionally also, Well, he said, now he

469
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: is right. But I mean, Honor's been kind of in

470
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: and out and you know, kind of came back for

471
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: who fought Seroni and then he thought that and he

472
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: just appeared again. You know, he's kind of been But

473
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: so I think a lot of these guys, you know,

474
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: like you brought up a high school team or a

475
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: college team, they don't feel the same sense of warmth

476
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: or duty they feel like you havec is a transactional

477
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: entity to them.

478
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I understand. I don't think we'll agree

479
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: on this, but you're right, you know, I really don't.

480
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make it a point that I

481
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: still will not change my thought that it'll be hard

482
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: to separate yourself from the greatness Ben. I don't corner

483
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Ben general.

484
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: I think I think you're right. I think John rather Tom.

485
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: Or in wrestling matches, I generally try not to sit

486
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: in the corner if I don't have to wait. Why not,

487
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: just because when I think, like too many people are

488
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: like on you, like the kids they need their coach.

489
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: But let's try to Like you've been in such a

490
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: big personality in wrestling the whole time you're coaching, they're

491
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: talking about Ben asking, been asking, Ben asking annoying.

492
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,479
Speaker 2: That's annoying.

493
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: By that's I've given up it, Like it's just killing

494
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: Warberts on the match, just killing himself. That gives the

495
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: best kids in the country, everybody's watching, but you're talking

496
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: about Ben as.

497
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: I agree that's it's unfortunate. But on that one, I

498
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: just I don't really see a easy solve, uh solve

499
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: for that one? Yeah, Hey, lets talk about fifty five

500
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: I want to talk about.

501
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Armond's not getting the title fight. The boss said

502
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: the other day the reason is because he headbutted Dan.

503
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: It was I don't know why I did that. That

504
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: was really dumb.

505
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: You behind it?

506
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean this is.

507
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: One of those things.

508
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is one of those things that's

509
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: very again transactional. If Dana is a businessman, Patty pimblet

510
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: winning the title is the best outcome? Is there? Popular?

511
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: You don't have a super super popular I mean I

512
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: guess maybe Tom assmall super popular, you know, British fighter

513
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: type guy. You can really put juice him up a lot,

514
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: and Arman is not going to create the same response.

515
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: I don't believe why Armond eating food get millions of fuse.

516
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: He eats food, he gets millions of views. I don't know.

517
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't think he thinks about that.

518
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: I think Dana was mad about when he pulled out

519
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: the one time.

520
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: You can't possibly think that he's holding onto that a

521
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: year later when he's like that and waited as a

522
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: backup fighter.

523
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: I definitely he is. And you know, it's probably one

524
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: of those things like if something that someone does something

525
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: you always have that in the back of your mind,

526
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: that that's the thing, and you know, so that stays

527
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: in his mind. The head butt was he proas, shouldn't

528
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: have done that. That was probably not a great idea

529
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: on his part. I have no idea. I have no

530
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: idea whatsoever. But you know, it's like, yes, we made

531
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: a few mistakes. But this guy, man, he sure has

532
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: been good and he's kind of been, you know, moderately dominant,

533
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: and he's beat a bunch of good guys. It feels

534
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: like he's the obvious number one at that weight class.

535
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: He has a history where he had a decision with Makachev.

536
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: It feels like a long time ago. I don't know

537
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: when that was.

538
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was, it was in Russia,

539
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: the fight on the week's notice and went to the decision.

540
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it feels like they're purposely

541
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: skipping over him. It's nice that ilia sounds like he's

542
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: gonna come back fast because we can get this on

543
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: the road then, right, So the two fifty five is

544
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: a fight. Next week, they fight, they get a winner.

545
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: The UFC's obviously hoping for Pimbleic because there's a longer

546
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: shelf life.

547
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: Ilius said he's back in like April.

548
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: That's Miami perfect, right, So then you pop Ilia back

549
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: in against Patty or Justin and then you get armand

550
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: in their idea, you know, not too far after that,

551
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: maybe a early fall or something like that, so we

552
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: can we can resolve this. Ideally, that's what happens. I

553
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: think that's I don't.

554
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Think for a second that Iliot's are poor. You fights

555
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: in April and fights again in the fall.

556
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: Really, that's only twice in a year.

557
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when did ily you fight twice?

558
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: Look at it now, you got me see, I'm looking

559
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: at records again. I actually feel like she was moderate

560
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: act for a while.

561
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the beginning. I don't think he fights off anymore.

562
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Let me see, he fought once in twenty five. He

563
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: did fight twice in twenty four October and February. He

564
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: fought once in twenty three. He fought twice in twenty two,

565
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: once in twenty one, twice in twenty twice in nineteen,

566
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: twice in nineteen. So mostly twos are ones. To what

567
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: I can find, he has never fought. Oh my god,

568
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: he's never fought three times in a year. That's nuts.

569
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: Even in the beginning.

570
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: No, he fought two and twenty fifteen, two and twenty sixteen,

571
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: did not fight in twenty seventeen two and twenty eighteen

572
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: two and twenty nineteen two and twenty twenty one two

573
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: one two one so many wait, wait you hear that

574
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: one two one two one. We'll do for two.

575
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: It might be two. If doesn't pattern right, Maybe maybe

576
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: it's the pattern people try to People try to poles

577
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: or paint that as if Ilia isn't fighting because now

578
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: he's the champ. But it sounds like that's just the

579
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: way that he's his career since the very beginning, where

580
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: he's like he's not gonna over extend himself to make

581
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: sure everybody else feel good about what they're doing. But

582
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: armand Rookian Wall, the UFC may not be in a

583
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: chord with most people thinking the fighters though, have him

584
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: on their mind, he said. Patty pan Was said, it's

585
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: annoying that people are saying, I'm ducking Arman. I've never

586
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: been to fight against Arman. If I was ever offered

587
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: that fight, I would have punched his head in by now.

588
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: That's what the US. But you know, the UFC does

589
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: other people they know, hey, Patty, we ain't gonna make

590
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: you feel like a bitch. We ain't gonna make it

591
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: turn it down offered to you.

592
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: But he's said he want to do that to you.

593
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: But he's saying he wouldn't have turned it down. But

594
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: they don't even want to make him turn it down.

595
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: How many of these beat how many of these guys?

596
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: Do you think Armor beats how many of the light weights?

597
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Or I'm talking Gage she the Pouria and Patty.

598
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: Pimblet, Well, I just saw. I think he beats Pimblet

599
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: and Gai Chee for sure, and I think him. I

600
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: think very highly of Tapuria. I've said that many times

601
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: on the show, So I think I think that one's

602
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: a toss up to me. But someone made the point

603
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: earlier about how how much older that lightweight division is,

604
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: so we're gonna get it, probably a turnover relatively soon,

605
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, Holloway, Gee Chee Hooker. A lot of you

606
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: guys are older. So I think we're gonna get a turnover,

607
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: h you know, relatively soon here where there's a bunch

608
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: of new guys. Juice neupped division.

609
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I think about this situation, and I know what's unfortunate

610
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: that Illiot thea Pooria is going through personal issues and

611
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: we wish him all the best. I love though that

612
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: he's saying he's gonna come back very quick and get

613
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: back to work. You know, it feels like the UFC

614
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: believe and supports him in what he's going through, because

615
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times they will just take the belt off.

616
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Someone Dana said, hey, I'm gonna.

617
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: Wait for what it's it's just a marital dispute.

618
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: But he said because before it was open ended, right,

619
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: we had no idea when he was coming back. Elliot's

620
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: are poor You told fans this April return date. It

621
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like he did an interview. He did this on

622
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: like Twitter or something where he's answering questions and said

623
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I'll be back in like April or May. If he

624
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: fights in May, by the way, that would be one

625
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: of the bigger May pay.

626
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: Per views or wait, there's no pay per view anymore, right.

627
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: Not pay per view? All right, I'm gonn get a

628
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: little used to. That would be one of the bigger

629
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: UH cards, you bigger number of events numbered events in

630
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: a while, and maybe because for a while May has

631
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: been UH having fights that weren't the best. Remember one

632
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: like it was UFC three to oh one was in May,

633
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: the UFC Canada with the man the new dat fall.

634
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't travel.

635
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: I can't remember that.

636
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Damn schedule, get.

637
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: I do it. It was like the main car generally

638
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: is one that comes back a little bit right, because

639
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: it's the one that's right after Miami that normally gets

640
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: blown up really really good.

641
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Hey, did you realize you've seen our back to back weekends?

642
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.

643
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet you're going to them. I

644
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: didn't realize that. What the heck?

645
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: It's uh, next weekend in Vegas the following weekend in Australia.

646
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: For Australia, you're too famous. You should stop going to Australia.

647
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: It's too far away, too much flight. I like, I like,

648
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: I like Australia, actually love. I love Sydney. But that's

649
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: a lot that's travel for you.

650
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: But Perth is Perth is on the no travel list.

651
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't like to go to Perth.

652
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: But Sydney, well that's the one that's all the way

653
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: on the other side, right.

654
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Say, le's just go to austin Sydney. It's only like

655
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: ten hours. It's not that bad.

656
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: No, but you no, wrong. I think it's sixteen, Luis, please,

657
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: I'm a geographer. I'm looking it up right now. I'm

658
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: on fire.

659
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Ben's got this mental clarity, and he's back to being annoying.

660
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: He's back to fourteen and a half to fifteen and

661
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: a half hours.

662
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I was, really it's far wrong.

663
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, you probably don't map. You're probably in first class.

664
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Before I let you go. Who wins Justin or Patty?

665
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm cheering for Justin Patty.

666
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

667
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: He he's for sure getting better. I wasn't in president

668
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: a long time ago. I thought he lost to who's

669
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: the guy trained at rufus Sum He's a scrapper, short stocky.

670
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I know you talk about the name right now.

671
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, but so I did th'k he was that good?

672
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: But he's he is significally better, right, And he's a

673
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: lot younger than Justin. Justin's like he's getting close. He's

674
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: a little younger than me. So he'srobab getting close to forty.

675
00:32:59,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

676
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: I'll probably go Patty. Unfortunately, I want just to wim.

677
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Patty pebble be Jared Gordon.

678
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: Jared Gordon.

679
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: That's and that was that fight where people were mad

680
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: at him. Because he thought, yeah, it was crazy, be

681
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: a great fight. This this lightweight division is always fun

682
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: right now, it's even.

683
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: We got we got one topic off. I'm wearing you

684
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: out tonight. See I told you my my energy back.

685
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: We got Connor versus George at the White House. Do

686
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: you think this is going to happen? I have been

687
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: on record for I don't know how many you are

688
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: saying Contord's not gonna fight. I think it'd really be

689
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: funny if he if he came to Jesus and that

690
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: made him fight, because you know, Jesus probably doesn't care

691
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: about fighting, but I guess it gives him a platform.

692
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: You never know, that would be funny if that.

693
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Was the case. I was saying, but why why did

694
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: they just say no? Chandler?

695
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for my.

696
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, was gonna sayment at

697
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: this point? Do you have to give it to Mike?

698
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean he has waited and waited for Connor McGregor.

699
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Dana again, Listen. I accept Dana for

700
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: who he is, but he sees what he sees it,

701
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: which I kind of feel like it's weird. I mean,

702
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: what I would be thinking if I was dating is

703
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: how do I give it to someone who can take

704
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: the juice from Connor and then keep it going Because

705
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: George is also a little bit older, right, and Chandler's

706
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: a little bit older also, both of them are, so

707
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, I would be thinking like, how how can

708
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: I it kind of infight someone? Maybe he's in his

709
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: early thirties, right, so maybe that person has a handful

710
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: of years left. But yeah, I mean, Michael has pretty

711
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: much been a great company guy. I think he's taking

712
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: every fight they've said he's not at all. He's done it.

713
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: Always put on all exciting fights, and I think one

714
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: of his fights has been boring. Obviously, his record has

715
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: not been outstanding, but it was like it just felt like,

716
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: if Connor comes back, that's what's happening. Michael waited around,

717
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: I want to say the first time he waited was

718
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: like two years yep. So it's like, yeah, I just

719
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: seems kind of not right.

720
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: It's almost like you have to just fight and hope

721
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: because I honestly believe that if you'd have been fighting

722
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: more frequently, the worst he would have done, the closer

723
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: he would have gotten to the McGregor fight, because I

724
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: think McGregor wants the one that he can beat. He

725
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: wants somebody to beat, right, And if I'm the UFC,

726
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: I want to see Connor McGregor and get a victory

727
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: on the South lawna at the White House, because again,

728
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: that's your biggest star having his moment on the biggest

729
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: fight card of all times.

730
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: But I just wait, hold on, Daniel. But what you

731
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: said earlier about John is you know you got to

732
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: pass it on. So it's like this is when again

733
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: where Dana's actually kind of in a tough spot. You know,

734
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: I guess I feel you're kind of picking on.

735
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Connor's not gonna but but Connor's not gonna not fight again.

736
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: If I think that if he makes it back, he'll fight, Okay,

737
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be three four times. I

738
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: think that he will fight, but at least once more

739
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: than once. I think he'll fight more than once. I

740
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: believe that.

741
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's because that's right, that's your ideal

742
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: cases he comes back for you get him for two

743
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: or three or four more. Otherwise if he doesn't, if

744
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: you think you're getting inim for one, you try to

745
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: get him to, you know, again, feed him to someone younger,

746
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know who that's going to be exactly.

747
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: I mean that, right, that would be a big one.

748
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

749
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Give give him someone who's young, a little younger maybe

750
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: late twenties, early thirties, got some shelf life in him,

751
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: and he's gonna get out there another ten times for

752
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: you or something. Yeah, I got one cool not I'm

753
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: not a fan of this guy, picked on him many

754
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: times machadad Gary, Yeah, because that would be like, yeah.

755
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing though, right, I think if you

756
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: think started thinking Machattle Gary, you start thinking, hey, is

757
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: it machadd Gary? Or does Machadald Gary go fight one

758
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: more time to earn his title fight? Or does the

759
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: fight over Connor get the title fight? Yes, you think

760
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: it does?

761
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: I think it does. I think because I think part

762
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: of what we were just talking about Patty Pima a

763
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: part of who gets the title shot? We actually talked

764
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: about this episode last episode also is part of who

765
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: gets a title shot? Is who do people care about?

766
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Hey? Ben really fast com McGregor said he's renegotiating because

767
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: there's no more pay per view model. What's fair though?

768
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: How do you find a fair market value for a

769
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: guy like Conor McGregor, who every time he fought, he

770
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: moved the line for what a pay per view sales was.

771
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: There was never a bottom line for a guy like

772
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor. How do you make a fair value for

773
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: a guy whose whole business was rooted in pay per viewing?

774
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: Because and because now, I mean because the other thing

775
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: you're saying is what you see to deal deals with

776
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: it seven.

777
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: Years, seven years, seven seven years, seven million.

778
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: So there is no way in hell Connor mcggor is

779
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: still fighting when they got to renegotiate this. So they're

780
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: gonna renegotiate in six years, they're gonna start renegotiating. Connor

781
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: is not around them.

782
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: He won't.

783
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: There's no way in hell, right, So it's almost like

784
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: Connor's value to It's not like you see gets paid

785
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: more if Connor moves the needles, So you can't pay

786
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: him that much because it's like Connor, you're not really

787
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately, you're you're gonna be retired in six years.

788
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: It's impossible.

789
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: You're not.

790
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna move the needle on our next negotiation.

791
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: That's it's a tough sell because you're asking me to

792
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: spend money that I'm not gonna get back.

793
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: You'll get me a bigger viewership, but it necessarily won't

794
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: lead to more revenue.

795
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, or because I gotta because I gotta keep that

796
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: going for but six more years.

797
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: But he's still but he still elevates the gate every time.

798
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: Well, but but there's a problem. What's the problem there?

799
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: But there's still a lot of money to be made, right,

800
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: But the gates, his gates are gonna always be bigger

801
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: than everybody else.

802
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: But you're forgetting right now, you know, you know what

803
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: they said, right what there is no gate at the

804
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: White House. They're not selling tickets. Yeah, you can't even

805
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: selling tickets.

806
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, So you common will have the gyms that

807
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: he thought he has.

808
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, because yes, you I mean,

809
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: to your point, you're correct. If Connor fight's in New York.

810
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: City or some ten million dollar gate, almost.

811
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: Probably maybe more right.

812
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Because they did well. His last gate in Vegas, I

813
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know, it was crazy.

814
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: I think it was more than that McGregor highest gate. Boom,

815
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: let's see Connor BER's highest gate. Yeah, he did no

816
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: seventeen million, seventeen his gate. Oh my gosh, Oh my god. Dude,

817
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: I totally forgot. Oh my, I'm for going braining here.

818
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Dal His gate for the Chandler fight was twenty million

819
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: before the fight.

820
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: Yeah before he pulled out. Before the fight got camps

821
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: twenty million. He still has a lot of bargaining gyms

822
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: because there's no one else it has a twenty million

823
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: dollar gate, man.

824
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: Nobody, So what's the fair number?

825
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: Twenty million to walk the octagon.

826
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: But if they can't sell, they can't sell tickets.

827
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: Of course, not so stupid, All right, Ben, I got

828
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you guys on the next one. Hey, guys, we got

829
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: the clear minded Ben asking. I'm begging call me until

830
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: the next one. Piece