1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Guess What's happening on Ruthie's Table four on the twenty 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: second of October, our brand new series with exciting guests. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Just last week I interviewed Elton, John Greta, Gerwig, Ian 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: McKellen and Guillermo del Toro. Go to Apple, Spotify, iHeart, 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. See you in two weeks. 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Sitting here in the River Cafe on a sunny Monday morning, 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: with chefs in the kitchen making ravioli, with hiroles and 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: waiters laying tables in the garden, the uncertain world we 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: live in feels miles away. The artist and filmmaker Steve 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: McQueen does not separate the world of beauty and the 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: world of suffering in any of his work political oppression, slavery, 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: sexual inequality. Steve and I met in nineteen ninety nine 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: when he won the Turner Prize for his radical video art, 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: and we once had dinner together with President Obama. It 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: was clear that the only person President Obama was interested 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: in talking to with Steve McQueen, and he didn't want 18 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: to share him with anyone else. Now, a few years later, 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I finally have Steve McQueen all to myself, and being 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: a generous person, will share him with you. Steve and 21 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: I share a hero in Paul Robeson. We share the 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: same concerns for equality and justice and food, and today 23 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: we're going to talk all about that and more. Thank you, Steve, 24 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for inviting me. Tell me about growing up 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: in London. You lived with your parents in West London 26 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: and what did you eat? 27 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we grew up. I grew up having a firstyship 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: with book West London. My relationship with food really starts 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: with the market. I was the kid who was carrying 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: the bags behind their mother, you know, because basically I 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: would have to go with her because you know, I 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: was the sort of detra pair of hands to carry 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: the shopping back home. Food was a way of actually 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: getting to go London because if someone had said to 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: my mother there's you know, you could get so and 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: so seabas in this market for this amount of money, 37 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: she will be there. So people used to talk about 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 2: where can they get particular kind of food and fresh produce? 39 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, where was your mother born? 40 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: My mother was born in Trinidad, but she grew up 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: in in Grenada and my father was born in Grenado. 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: How old were they when they came to London. 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: My mother was about fourteen fifteen, I think's about fifteen 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: when she came to London. I think in the early sixties, 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: and my father was a little bit older. I think 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: maybe it was about twenty one. 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't know when. I think he came early sixties too, 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: but not not at the same time. 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: And so do you think her mother had taken her 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: to the market. As you say, the market does introduce 51 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: us to a culture, that introduces us to a city. 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: It's the first place I always go when I go 53 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: to any town in any city in any country. But 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: tell me more about the smells of the market and 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: what it looked like for you and your mother's experience 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: of the market. 57 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: Well, in fact, what happened was that a lot of 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: joity of people for coming from west in this headline, 59 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: and they grew their own food, you know, and look 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: after you know, the animals and so forth and whatnot. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: And fishing was a big part of the culture too, 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: because obviously my mother lived on the coast InCred a 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: place called Siteers and was a very big fishing spot there. 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's called a fishing village. Food was very 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: much directly sort of to do with who they were. 66 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: So when they came to London, of course looking for 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: good food was very important. And you know we used 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: to go to all kinds of bloody markets all over London. 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: I so I said, I met up with it. 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: I missed my football focus on a sacle because I 71 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: had to go to the market with my mum. It 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: was something which I remember, and it was all different cultures, 73 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: you know, it was, didn't you You had the sort 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: of you know, the Londoners and the White Londoners and 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: the Indian, you're the Jewish. You had all kinds of people. 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: It was fabulous. It was really kind of coolbe. 77 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: When you would come home from the market. What would 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: you eat? What would they cook from the market? 79 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: Oh, if you get dashing, you know, spinach? You know 80 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: again you know you cook? I mean my my my 81 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: favorite was like a nice stewed chicken. I'm not a 82 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: special thing. I'm rote just you know, Oh my god, 83 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: what was it? A beautiful It's like a nice stew fish. 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: And I used to love what was this this one thing? 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: I used to not very much. Was a vegetable? 86 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: What was it? It was? I love, I love. 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it was all kinds of exotic stuff. I 88 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: mean I say exotic because it was familiar to me. 89 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: But my friends, my white friends, and what was that was? 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: This was this? Yeah? 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: Who cooked in the house? 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: My mother cooked, My father cooked. My father was a 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: good cooked too. He took pride in the Christmas hand. 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: That was his job. 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: There was a particular way of cooking, part way that 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: came from because his uncle was a butcher in the 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: West Indies. 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: So there was a particular way of cooking the hand. 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: I can't even prescribe it now, but it's close, all 100 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: into indented in all everywhere. 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: It was almost like sort of a ror movie. Marvelous. Yeah, 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: great cooks, great cooks. 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Did you cook with them? Was it a family affair? 104 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Would you all cook together? 105 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I love being with my mother in the 106 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: kitchen because somehow I love to help out. I love 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: to sort of be I don't know, I love to 108 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 2: love that. So I can't say that I'm a great cook, 109 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: but I was a very good shoe chef. I am a 110 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 2: bit of a neat and tidy person. 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Would they entertain would friends come over? Did was there 112 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: that feeling. 113 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: When people did come over? It was? It was a 114 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: lot of family and fair and well. I think most 115 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 3: of the things I used to do with the people's 116 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: come over with them would just listen because. 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: There was always boys that would come out that my 118 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: parents will never talk to us about, of course, but 119 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: always because adults will talk to adults. 120 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: So therefore and find out about sort of how what 121 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: was going on? 122 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Or when you left this very comforting family meals where 123 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: you were cooked for and you ate together. What was 124 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: that like when you left home? Where did you live? 125 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: I was actually nearing you, guys. Actually I was in Fulham. 126 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: I was just around the corner from me. I was 127 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: with this girlfriend and she was great. She was a 128 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: very important girlfriend of mine. Your name was a Nuke. 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: She was a Swiss. And then she had discovered this restaurant, 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: this place called Malati, the Indonesia place and so, which 131 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: was delicious, It was gorgeous. And that was my first restaurant, and. 132 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: She that was your first restaurant. 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: I think that was one of my first restaurants. I 134 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: think I was about nineteen years old. 135 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: And after that, the restaurants become part of your social life. 136 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: Did you love restaurants? 137 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 138 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: I mean what's great about I mean, now, I suppose 139 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: in London it wasn't so when when I was growing up, 140 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: we didn't have that was the world, I think. And 141 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: to be introduced to the world through food and of 142 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: course good company, that's always the main ingredient for going 143 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: to a restaurant, So that was wonderful. And then we 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: got to know. So we've got a lot of restaurants 145 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: and so we got to know I remember during that time, 146 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: this is early nineties, early nineties. Yeah, and also in 147 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: East End too. 148 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about in arts school? Was that revelation? 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 150 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you know canon bit of cheese blaodiel and baget. 151 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: I mean that was that was kind of like interesting 152 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: because again there was an addition to wet in this cheese, 153 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: I mean was crappy cheese. You know, you can imagine 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: a sort of a big block of something which they 155 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: called cheese. But getting to know cheese was interesting during 156 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: my time at Foundation at Chelsea. 157 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a kind of interesting life change, isn't it. 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Between this going to the market with your mother and 159 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: carrying the bag and coming home and cooking, and then 160 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: sitting down and eating, and then having independence and having 161 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: to fend for yourself and discover life out there. Did 162 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: you go home? Would you return home for the home 163 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: cooked meal? 164 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: Yes? I used to love going home for food. 165 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: My goodness, I said, Oh, oh, my goodness, I used 166 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: to love it. 167 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: It's just it's just to sort of. Yeah. 168 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: It was difficult because at first it was how do 169 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: I cook? What do I cook? I was on the phone, 170 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: my mom, Mom, how do I do this? 171 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: Mom? Do I do this? My mad I do that? 172 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: So a lot of calls about making sort of soups 173 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: and things like that, and how do I season them? 174 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Because I think it For granted, I used to be 175 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: a shoe hip, but I wasn't really looking. It wasn't 176 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: really studying. Yeah, so a lot of phone calls. 177 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Basically back then, the River Cafe Cafe is ready for autumn. 178 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: Pumpkin and chestnut souper tolo dispinacci polenta and almond cake 179 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,239 Speaker 1: and why not a telephonino, one of our favorite cocktails, 180 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: were open from nine to nine, just steps away from 181 00:08:52,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: the River Cafe. See you there, Welcome back to River Cafe. 182 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Table four. In each episode, my guest reads a recipe 183 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: they have chosen from one of our cookbooks. We chose 184 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: spinach and peas. So would you like to go for 185 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: it and tell the world how to make it? 186 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: One kilogram fresh peas in their pods, extra virgin olive oil, 187 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:32,479 Speaker 2: one garlic clove, peeled and diced. One dried red chili crumbled, 188 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 2: one kilogram with spinach, washed, tough stalks removed. 189 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Pard the peas and blanche them with plenty of boiling water. 190 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: In Italy, no one ever cooks vegetables. 191 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: I'll only pasta. 192 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: So rather than blanching these peas, boil them so that 193 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: they almost melt together with spinach and the olive oil. 194 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: Gorgeous. So, now, Steve, here we are and we're going 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the series that has just been on 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: television that we've all watched and been so moved by. 197 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: Small Acts. You tell the story of a local restaurant 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: constantly harassed by the police. Is that a memory or 199 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: is that? Can you tell me about the restaurant, the 200 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: politics and the series. 201 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: Sure well, The Mangrove Restaurant was a restaurant run by 202 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: Frank Kritchlow in lamber Grove on All Saints road, and 203 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: he opened a restaurant in nineteen sixty eight, and it. 204 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: Was a sort of home away from home restaurant. 205 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: You can imagine, as I said before, other people wanting 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: the sort of the taste of home and had a 207 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: vibrancy of having sort of like many people wanted to 208 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: sort of come to a place to eat and to 209 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: sort of commune with each other. 210 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: So it was a place of refuge. 211 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: In it in a way, you know, the vibe that 212 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: came out of there, and it was just one of 213 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: those places which became very infectious if people wanted to go. 214 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: It was it was it was something which was which 215 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: was which was on the scene, and unfortunately the police 216 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: and the authorities that be obviously didn't like what was 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: happening at this place because again it was you know, 218 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: it was people from the Western Ears, it was working 219 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: class people, it was the thinkers, it was sort of 220 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: activists were coming and also the whole eploy. 221 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 3: So all these people. 222 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: Coming to this spot and talking over food, having ideas, 223 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: and obviously that was something which the authorities didn't like, 224 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: and therefore they tried to disrupt, disrupted as much as 225 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: they could. You know, it was a case of the 226 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: people not wanting certain ideas having a foothold in the UK, 227 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: and they thought that the Mangrove was a place where 228 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: those ideas could sort of take roote. 229 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: There's something about doing that kind of discussion as well 230 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: over food. And one of the things that I see 231 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: in the restaurant is that somehow being out of your house, 232 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: being away from your domestic life, being looked after, gives 233 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: you the chance to really focus on a conversation. Do 234 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: you find that in a restaurant? 235 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 236 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And there's a sense of I don't know what 237 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: is it purpose, you're there, your present, there's another person 238 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: there in present, but also actually just a listen. It's 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: just a case of being in an environment where you are, 240 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: you know, you feel comfortable in order to say things 241 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: and listen. 242 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: And also I've talked to various people in business and 243 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: in film and creating movies or making deals. I mean 244 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: when I always quote is Michael Kine who said that 245 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: he never did a deal for a movie in America 246 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: that didn't take place in a restaurant, and he said 247 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: that was very Hollywood. Do you work in restaurants? Do 248 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: you'd like to meet people that you're going to work 249 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: with in a restaurant. 250 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: First, I love it, but that doesn't happen often. 251 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's sort of it's a classy 252 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: way to do anything, isn't it. 253 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 3: And also I love it because growing up in the 254 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: art world. 255 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: What was wonderful about growing up in the art world 256 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: is that artists never paid for dinners, never, because you're 257 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: the artist. And it was amazing. In fact, I think 258 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: that's how I grew up in food in an and 259 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: interesting way. It was through the art world. It's completely 260 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: different to the film world. I mean, you know the 261 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: fact that you you know, you might get crappy sangwich, 262 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: you're you're you're lucky. 263 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: But in the art world, it was always the best wines. 264 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: It was always the best food. 265 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: You know, if it was an opening or even a meeting, 266 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: it was always the best restaurant. 267 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: And that was a huge education. Absolutely. 268 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: I was thinking about making movies and the movies you've made, 269 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: and of course here we are talking about food and 270 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: eating and the joy of being taken care of through food. 271 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: And then I think of the movie that you know 272 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: it was so earth shattering, which was Hunger. And so 273 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about a movie called hunger and the state 274 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: of hunger, and somebody put their principles and politics above comfort. 275 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: Does a political act actually starved themselves? So what was 276 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: it like making a movie that was the absence of 277 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: food as a political statement? 278 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it was again it's food is 279 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: an interesting thing that you know. 280 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: I related to that in a way that of being 281 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: a child, in the way that you know, often the 282 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: only power a child has is frailing to eat. His 283 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: or her mother saying you're not leaving this table until 284 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: you finish that plate, and the child sort of, you know, 285 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: refusing to eat, and then you're sent off the bed, 286 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: you know. And it's interesting because you know what the 287 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: clothes you wear that as a as a child of 288 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: a sudden age, what time you go to bed, what 289 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: food you eat, is chosen by your parents. And the 290 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: whole idea that this child, the power this child has 291 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: is to refrain to eat. 292 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: That was my. 293 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: Relationship in some ways to Bobby Sands and Hunger Stright, 294 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: that the power that person had was referring to eat 295 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: ever since it was a child. I remembered asking my 296 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: mom when I saw this image of Bobby's hands on 297 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: television with a number oneth his image and asking my mother, 298 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: what's what's what is that? How oldest person is? Because no, 299 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: thats how many days this person has been a hunger strike. 300 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: So there was an immediate relationship with the story and 301 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: it was, yeah, it was It was difficult, but I 302 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: think Michael Fans been there. You know why cars is 303 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: Bobby Sands was tremendous and that was a bond up, 304 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, we have to this day. 305 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: It was a real kind of a labor of love. 306 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: And what are the food scenes in your movies? In 307 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: twelve years a Slave, there's a scene, isn't there at 308 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: the dinner table? 309 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: I seem to remember, Yeah, there's lots of I think 310 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: there's lots of food in my films. I mean you 311 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: can see after that his shame. The two characters Brandon 312 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: any sort of possible girlfriend or at this dinner table 313 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: and this waiter, annoying waiter comes in every five seconds 314 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: to interrupt them. I remember that from having lots of 315 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: dinners in New York and every five seconds and what 316 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: becomes in the middle of something was getting bigger. You 317 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: know how conversations are they have to get to that point, 318 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's always it was commercial bloody breaks every 319 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: five seconds, start from scratch every five minutes, so you're 320 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: didn't make for a good eating experience. 321 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: I put that in the movie What do You Eat 322 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: on a Film? 323 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: So? 324 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: Do you hate stopping for lunch when you're filming? 325 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: No? 326 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic. I mean, what was so wonderful 327 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: when I started filmmaking? And hunger and shame and obvious. 328 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: It's like all the actors and all the crew eat together. 329 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: They people in their buddy trailers and the act crap, 330 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: everyone lead together. There's something about communal eating and it's 331 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: about weed. It's such a unifying thing to see, you know, 332 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: the hear and makeup and the camera department and tubing 333 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: up for food and sitting at the table together and 334 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: talking about the film or talking about things. 335 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: When there's a camaraderie. 336 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: It's only time often when you're sort of on set 337 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: together that you had that sort of time, as you know, 338 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: when when you're sitting together eating and it's fun. 339 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: It's fun. I love it. 340 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: Year three is an exhibition that was at the Tate 341 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: and I went to see it three times because every 342 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: time I went back I saw something, something different in 343 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: the expression of a child, of a teacher. It really 344 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: told the story of the world we live in through 345 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: these photographs. And one of the issues that I think 346 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: is very important is that when we had the lockdown 347 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: a year ago, one of the things we learned that 348 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: when children were denied school, they were also denied food, 349 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: and they were denied food at lunchtime, which might have 350 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: been their only meal of the day. And the idea 351 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: that we have a society that children depend on having 352 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: their food away from the home because of the poverty 353 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: in the home is appalling and shocking and distressing everything else. 354 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I mean I had schooled us, which I 355 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: paid for by my mother. That's why today I like 356 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: hot meals. I love the hot lunches, I mean, and 357 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: they were vital. They were vital. There were children I 358 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: know for a fact that that was the main meal 359 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: of the day, if not the only meal of the day. 360 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: And this is with our bottle of milk in the 361 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: morning before missus snatcher took it away from us. 362 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love school meals in that way. Also, just 363 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: because we're such a good laugh in the canteen, you know, 364 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: I associate food in school with good times and I 365 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: can even remember the smell of it, the canteen and 366 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: the noise and the cutlery banging them together, and it's 367 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: so important. You know. 368 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: Also, people have to sort of really tip the hat 369 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: to Marcus l Ashford and what he did in the 370 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: sense of, you know, getting the government to sort of 371 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: stand down twice about the school meals because you know 372 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: it can This is you know, if we can't look 373 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: after people we can't afford to eat, then I don't 374 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: know who we are as human beings. That it took 375 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: a footballer to do. That is kind of a bit 376 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 2: you know. There you go, everyone has got a step up. 377 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: In your own way. 378 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: I suppose if people aren't doing their job properly, that 379 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: meaning the government. And also don't forget this again, it's 380 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: just one of those things I feel that, you know, 381 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: everyone is unfortunately not brought into this world equally. But 382 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: if you just give someone the possibility a little bit 383 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: of a shaft of life, one doesn't know where that 384 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: might lead them to. So, yeah, the fact that people 385 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: actually have a millionaire stomach, you know in Britain, Yeah, 386 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: it's more than important. One thing I was very shocked 387 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: by when I was shooting in Chicago. Shooting widows was 388 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: how I didn't see a grocery store and a black neighborhood. 389 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: I didn't see any greens in a black neighbor You know, 390 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: there wasn't a green grocer's, but there was always some 391 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: sort of fast food place where people eat. So people 392 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: are losing this sort of heritage of food. People are 393 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: not aware of the food and nourishment and possibilities within food, 394 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: and food is politics in a way, it reverts back 395 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: to what we were talking about right at the beginning 396 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: of a conversation. It starts with like, in a way 397 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: markets because markets, a lot of markets are on the threat, 398 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: a lot of markets have closed. So this sense of 399 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: community's sense of comarder in a sense of sort of 400 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: love of food and love of each other is being 401 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: sort of erased in the sort of you know, working 402 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: class areas. I mean, you get these markets, but they're 403 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: so they're kind of like posh markets, aren't they. There's 404 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: sort of farmers' markets they call them, and you know, 405 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: the food is so expensive, so and I again I 406 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: feel that they're becoming kind of food deserts in a 407 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: way where kids are growing up on fast food and 408 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: not being introduced to sort of love food in a way. 409 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: So that's something which I'm a bit sort of concerned about. 410 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, food is a connection, and food is a memory, 411 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: and food is giving and sharing, and food is political 412 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and social, and it's also comfort. It's something that we 413 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: go to and we need comfort. And so I suppose 414 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: Steve mc queen, what would you say is the food 415 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: you would go to if you needed comfort? 416 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: For me, the comfort food that I very much love 417 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: and I appreciate is often the cold day, you know, 418 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: and you come in and it's my mum's chicken soups, 419 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: westernion chicken soup, which has the bones in it and stuff, 420 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, you suck on the bones, and it's the 421 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: sort of you know, it's the time, it's the garlic. 422 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: It's all kinds of stuff, you know, the secret ingredients 423 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: when she wants you to want toll me. The dumplings, 424 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: a bit of potatoes, a bit of peas. 425 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: It's wonderful. 426 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: So those are the kind of things I really love. Yeah, 427 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: and I could hear my dad sucking the bones right. 428 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: Now my head. Yeah, it was. 429 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: It was a wonderful, you know, having those dinners together 430 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: on those cold days. I remember it was it was beautiful. 431 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: It was beautiful and lots of great memories. My dad's 432 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: not anymore. So when I often do think about him, 433 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: I do think about him, and actually I do think 434 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: about him. Christmas and the Ham, of course, and Christmas. 435 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: Christmas breakfast was a big thing. Hot cocoa. 436 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: My dad would make a bake. 437 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: A bake is a kind of a flat bread, West 438 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: Indian flat bread in the morning and and oh my god, 439 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: how can I how can I not say this? Fish 440 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: cakes my mother's fish cakes. Oh my god, my mother's 441 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: fishcakes on the Christmas morning and she's making these little 442 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: bakes which was sort of like a like a. 443 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: Bread you'll fry and oil. Oh my god. 444 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: And even my daughter ittually when my mom comes up 445 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: as yours, asks Granny please make fishcakes for me because 446 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: it's a West Indian fishcakes such as it's gorgeous. And 447 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: of course you know that there's never anything left for 448 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: me when I get home. But you know, it's just 449 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: I think, really, what you've done actually is actually given me. 450 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: I mean, fact's what love is rock, not even loves rock. 451 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: That's what the whole of Small Acts was based on. 452 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: The foundation of all of that was based on food 453 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: and memory, because it's what's so fascinating. I'm rambling on 454 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: it again myself. But it's smell is the most antaste, 455 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: is the most potent sources of memory, not the photographs. 456 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: Photographs is only telling you so much because you know, 457 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: it cuts out what's beyond the frame is not present, 458 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: it's not visible going on wrapping. 459 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: No, don't it's beautiful, but it is what it does. 460 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: There are people who say, I never remembered that until 461 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: we started talking about the food, and that brought back 462 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: the memory. I had somebody whose father had left home 463 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: and he would when he saw his children on the weekends, 464 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: he would suddenly start cooking for them. And he said, oh, 465 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I've ever told anybody 466 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: that story, But now I remember my father actually is 467 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: a way of his guilt or his love just started cooking, 468 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: you know. And I think, what you just when you 469 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: choose your comfort food, you start thinking about your father 470 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: and your mother, and you think about the memories and 471 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that it's so potent, isn't it. I had I thought 472 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: it would be interesting, But what it really brings home 473 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: over and over again is the connection that food has 474 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: for us for memories. 475 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, forget about this island this, I'm telling you. 476 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: You've done it, mate, Smell and til you've done it. 477 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, you've done it. It's all to do 478 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: with you. 479 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership 480 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: with Montclair