WEBVTT - Ep. 104: Bear Grease [Render] - Confidence Men, Missouri Turkeys, and Fried Catfish

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where

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<v Speaker 1>we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by FHF Gear,

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<v Speaker 1>American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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<v Speaker 1>to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the bear Grease Render Podcast, where we break

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<v Speaker 1>down the actual bear Grease podcast. Our documentary style audio

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that is in depth, research polished, produced intriguing stories

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<v Speaker 1>about rural American life and on the bear Grease Render,

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<v Speaker 1>we gather around an eclectic group of people to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the previous week's podcast. So welcome to all you knew

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<v Speaker 1>people I have with me today. Brent Reeves, Lauren Molton

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<v Speaker 1>of Meat Eater, longtime Meat Eater videographer, and Big Dirty

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Gardner also pretty long time videographer of meat Eater.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it feel to be here?

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<v Speaker 2>It feels wonderful, especially when you have freshly killed the

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<v Speaker 2>big old Missouri turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, we're going to get into that. Brent was

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<v Speaker 1>telling me just a minute ago. He was singing a song,

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked him how many live concerts he's been

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<v Speaker 1>to in his life? Give me the top three best

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<v Speaker 1>concerts that you've ever been to?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my gosh, I would have to say Whaling Jennings

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<v Speaker 2>Win and where nineteen eighty two, Pine Bluff Convention Center,

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<v Speaker 2>Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Wow. Uh? Eagles really when the Eagles

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<v Speaker 2>came back ninety something? I don't remember, okay, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was at war Men Worial Stadium in Little Rocky Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>So Whaling Jennings Eagles number three. I'm going to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you guys this gosh on three.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Tom Petty, Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty, When did you see Tom Petty?

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<v Speaker 2>Saw Tom Petty the last year he was touring. I

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<v Speaker 2>may be partly responsible for him dying, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty's dead is a hammer, Okay, he is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And now tell me about I asked Brent if he'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever been if he'd ever seen Elvis, and he said no.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the chance to see him a year before

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<v Speaker 2>he died, and tickets were left dollars and mamas that

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't afford tote all of us, so we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to go. But I'm thinking she could have left

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<v Speaker 2>everybody home with me and her. How old were you

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been, that would have been in I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have been eleven eleven? Okay, cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Lord, Yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Live concerts do you go? Have you been to some

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<v Speaker 1>live concerts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh top two.

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<v Speaker 3>As I was a younger guy, I went to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of concerts, and then I've worked the concerts scene

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<v Speaker 3>through the last fifteen years. Work at the venue venue

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<v Speaker 3>at the brewery that I worked at, so we had

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<v Speaker 3>tons of big names come through there. Crosby, Stills, nashuh,

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<v Speaker 3>Widespread Panic. I don't know, millions of decembris, a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of concerts. But if you're asking me favorites, I don't know, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>this is gonna shed some light on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh, I'll just.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can pinpoint favorites. Ok, favorites,

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<v Speaker 3>That is hard. But the first show I ever saw

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<v Speaker 3>with Steve Miller band that was pretty cool. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was about fourteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Then saw Eric Clapton and Stevie ray Bond's last show

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<v Speaker 3>there at Elpine Valley, Wisconsin. That was pretty incredible. Went

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<v Speaker 3>to a bunch of Grateful Dead shows when I was

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<v Speaker 3>in high school. Okay, that was fun, Dave. So they say,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>It the best concert I've ever met, too, it was

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<v Speaker 4>probably I don't remember it much because I I think

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<v Speaker 4>I was only three years old, wow, three, and my

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<v Speaker 4>parents were real into country music and Garth Brooks came

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<v Speaker 4>to the state Fair. My parents had me decked out.

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<v Speaker 4>I was reel into Garth at the time. Parents had

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<v Speaker 4>decked me out and you know, my little cowboy uniform,

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<v Speaker 4>and we had like really good seats, like fifth or

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<v Speaker 4>sixth row. Some lady gave me a rose to give

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<v Speaker 4>to Garth, and my parents put me on the shoulders

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<v Speaker 4>some bodyguard that was about seven feet tall, and he

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<v Speaker 4>walked me up to the stage and everybody's like giving

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<v Speaker 4>Garth gifts and stuff. And I hand him this rose

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<v Speaker 4>and he waves to somebody on the side of the

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<v Speaker 4>stage and the guy brings out a guitar. He signed

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<v Speaker 4>it and gives it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>No wow, yeah, yeah, that's still got it.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like a setup for Dave to tell.

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<v Speaker 5>You, man, my wife, if we kill for that guitar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>well it's for sale some loans, you know, for the

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<v Speaker 5>right price.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you were three years old, decked out in

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<v Speaker 1>your your western wear. Yeah, Garth Brooks gave you a

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<v Speaker 1>sign of guitar.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sir, that's money. Yeah, still at my parents' house.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it for real?

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<v Speaker 2>For so?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd sell it for the right price, right give ballpark.

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<v Speaker 4>Garth's got to retire though, you know, I think he's

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<v Speaker 4>probably still giving out guitars, so I gotta make sure he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're looking at ten grand plus.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably, yeah, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I would you take nine?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, probably not, Probably wouldn't take.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, would you sell it for twenty?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>So we're looking okay, folks between ten and twenty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There, specifically to my wife, So you might as well

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<v Speaker 2>say alexis.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of okay, Oh highest better.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's good. So later we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the new the new Burgers series called con Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're that's the direction that we're going. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get there, Brent Reeves, longtime longtime burg Grease

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<v Speaker 1>Render guy and friend of mine. You have a new

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<v Speaker 1>Meet Eater podcast out.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>It is crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>What were they thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this country life with me? Brent Reeve, Brent Reeves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tell so tell us what this country life is

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<v Speaker 1>a Well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be about just hunting, fishing, just general country living.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything that goes on, if it can be thought of

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<v Speaker 2>or it's happened in rural America, it's on the list

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<v Speaker 2>and it's fair game and we're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>that and we're gonna be talking about things that will

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<v Speaker 2>air quotes help you beat the system.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me the structure of the podcast, because it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the structure of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll start out with like I'm gonna do a little

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<v Speaker 2>intro and talk about tell folks what we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about in the main subject, and then I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>tell a story, like a five minute story, something happened

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<v Speaker 2>in my life to me or about me or someone

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and it may relate to the subject we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, it may not. It may just be a

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<v Speaker 2>story I like to tell, and then we'll get into

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<v Speaker 2>the main subject and get that covered. The whole thing's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna last about twenty minutes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very short listen and it's a monologue monologue

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<v Speaker 1>with the Brent, and it's going to cover country skills.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you listen to it, you're going to gain

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<v Speaker 1>a country skill, but you're also going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great stories. And it's funny. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>comedy bit, but it's designed to be funny, entertaining stories

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<v Speaker 1>that teach you a country skill that will help you

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<v Speaker 1>beat the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's uh, and they're all true. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>making up any of it. It all happened to me

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<v Speaker 2>or someone I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should go ahead and tell them what

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<v Speaker 1>some of the episodes are. I think we can leak

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<v Speaker 1>that information. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them be like how to train, how to

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<v Speaker 2>pick out a squirrel dog where you go to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>how to catch catfish on the troidline.

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<v Speaker 1>So one episode is how to transcroll Dog. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you'll see, how to transcrod off. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it, you're gonna hear us some great couple

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<v Speaker 1>of unique story worries about Brent's life in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel dog world and his dad's stories. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to go into how to find a squirrel

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<v Speaker 1>dog how to train it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've had a habit. I can remember everything

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<v Speaker 2>but math and anything time but that we're talking, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are talking, I'll remember a story. I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>reminded of a story, and then we go off on

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<v Speaker 2>a tangent and I'll tell a five minutes story about

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<v Speaker 2>something that happened. That's more or less how that thing's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. I'm going to start out with the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to start Then we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>start with the subject of what we're going to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>Say it's finding a squirrel dog where you go to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and I'm gonna give you tips on how

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, and then through there, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>throw in some anecdotal stuff that has happened to me

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<v Speaker 2>or my dad or my friends or something that will

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<v Speaker 2>relate to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So another episode is how to run a trot line,

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<v Speaker 1>so country skills. You need to know how to run

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<v Speaker 1>a trot line. There's a podcast on duck camp etiquette,

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<v Speaker 1>so how to handle you yourself if you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>duck camp because Brent was an outfitter for twenty six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a podcast on what a country man needs to

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<v Speaker 1>carry in his pockets and it's a whole podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>about what you have in your pockets. Very interesting. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a podcast about how to buy a pickup truck, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>your one day, your son is going to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to need a truck, and if he listens

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast, he's going to have a leg up

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<v Speaker 1>on knowing the ins and outs, what the way people

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<v Speaker 1>treat their trucks, the way they handle selling a truck,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is going to give him a skill that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to need. Very valuable. Okay, So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of stuff it is. But it's fun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And so and if you subscribe to beggar As, you're

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<v Speaker 2>automatically going to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's on this feed. So if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, you're subscribe most likely to the Bear Grease

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<v Speaker 1>podcast feed and it'll be on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is big news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Big news, big news.

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<v Speaker 4>Soon it might be Bear Grease on the This Country

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<v Speaker 4>Life feed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's probably what's gonna happen. Probably what's gonna happen, Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we come up with the name of This

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<v Speaker 1>Country Life?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember we were sitting in a restaurant you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting at Herman's Steakhouse and Fville, So.

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<v Speaker 2>You missed in in my wife tablecloths.

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<v Speaker 1>This this place is a famous steakhouse. It's in Fayetville, Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>Fable is a nice town. You would drive past Herman's

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<v Speaker 1>and you would think that it was an abandoned building.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like a bomb shelter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's an old house. Yeah, that sets in

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<v Speaker 1>a part of town that has now been developed. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there's just this old house sitting on the road

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<v Speaker 1>and they've actually fixed it up a lot from what

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, yeah, twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been on a staple for people going to

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<v Speaker 2>razorback games for years.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that you would drive past it and

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<v Speaker 1>it's clear that it was once a residential house and

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<v Speaker 1>now all this big stuff is growing up around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they have, you know, this like neon sign that

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<v Speaker 1>says Hermans, and the parking lot will just be full

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<v Speaker 1>of cars. And it's a steakhouse. And you go in

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<v Speaker 1>there and there's these red table red checker tablecloths and

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<v Speaker 1>they give you salting crackers and salsa. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard that? Have you ever had that before?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, I never have either. Have you ever had it before?

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<v Speaker 2>Hermans is only place I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>They give you a big bowl of fresh salsa and

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<v Speaker 1>salting crackers like a Mexican restaurant. We give you chips

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<v Speaker 1>and sausage, and then you order steaks and whatnot. And

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<v Speaker 1>Missy and I were eating dinner with Brent and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife at Herman's yep at Herman and then what happened Brent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you looked up and said you ought to do

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast, and I thought, what in the world about?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all I know is just country living is

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<v Speaker 2>all I know about? And you said, there it is

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<v Speaker 2>right there. It kind of evolved from that in that conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we started putting some stuff together, getting some ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>and it came together pretty pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we we had we had an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>this country life and yeah it all. I bet the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is pretty close. The finished version of it is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty close to what we developed at that table that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and I can't take Misty and Alexis were.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much, so, very much so. Yeah, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>me and you. No, they had the ideas about just

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<v Speaker 2>like the format and the length and whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be talking to people or just talking, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just it grew from that. It didn't grow much from that.

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<v Speaker 2>We just kind of refined it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So let us know what you think of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. It's going to come out every Friday, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be weekly every Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a sneak peek on the boat yep, and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was all. It was great. You should

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<v Speaker 3>take a listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, man. It's a lot of fun doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a lot of good folks working on it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in Missouri at Turkey Camp. We've come up

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<v Speaker 1>to a place that Brent has hunted for last twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years, five plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You got some family, you got some friends up here

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<v Speaker 1>that's been kind of like family to you for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And this morning you killed a turkey. You and

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<v Speaker 1>Big Dirty We did tell me about.

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<v Speaker 2>It, man, Win. As you know, the wind was blowing

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<v Speaker 2>this morning as hard as it could blow, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And on our fourth setup, on the second turkey that

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<v Speaker 2>we sat down on, we finally got him to hear us.

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<v Speaker 2>We had we'd snuck into a place and in this

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<v Speaker 2>field where this turkey was, and he was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just over a terrace row from us. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a little bit of topo up here,

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<v Speaker 2>so it allowed us to get up to the edge

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<v Speaker 2>to where we thought this turkey was. And Dave actually

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<v Speaker 2>slipped up around some cedar trees and looked over that

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<v Speaker 2>ter stroke and see that turkey down in there. This

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<v Speaker 2>is nine twenty at that time, and he said he

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<v Speaker 2>was just gobbling his brains out. And he come back

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<v Speaker 2>and sit down and grabbed a camera and we started

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<v Speaker 2>calling it. We had a lull in the wind enough

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<v Speaker 2>that I could get some called out to him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he answered, and then it was just as fast as

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<v Speaker 2>he could struck coming to us. And of course he

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<v Speaker 2>seen the decoyd and he came right on in there

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<v Speaker 2>and went They had a little boxing match out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I told Dave when I shot him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was boxing that Jake Decoy. The bad thing about

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<v Speaker 2>it is that he went to glory thinking that that

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<v Speaker 2>Jake killed him.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. So Lauren and I this morning had a

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<v Speaker 1>we should have been in the same situation. We were

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<v Speaker 1>hunting the edge of a big cor cornfield and the

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<v Speaker 1>birds they roosted in the spot we didn't think they were,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we were kind of set up in the timber.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't in the timber. They were out on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of this cornfield. So right at daylight, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just about fly down time, we kind of got out

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<v Speaker 1>and put a decoy out about twenty yards in the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of this big field. Two adult gobblers and several

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<v Speaker 1>jakes go out into this cornfield and they're just around

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<v Speaker 1>a little hump from us. We can't see them, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're goblin. And I start and I've got decoys out

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<v Speaker 1>and we're on the edge of the timber and everything's good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I start calling. They answered, They answer, the answer,

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<v Speaker 1>the answered. Just the harder I called, the more I called,

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<v Speaker 1>I was calling my mouth calling a slate call, the

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<v Speaker 1>more they got fired up. And sure enough we just

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<v Speaker 1>hear him getting closer and closer, big gobbler, and finally

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<v Speaker 1>we see him strutting out there at probably two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty yards and he sees the decoy and here

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<v Speaker 1>he comes, just running, and I mean, we just think, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a jake, a half struck jake, in a

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<v Speaker 1>sit down hen and he sees him and everything's good,

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<v Speaker 1>and he comes up over the hill and is running

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<v Speaker 1>and then but directly behind him are four jakes about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty yards behind him. That the closer he gets to us,

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<v Speaker 1>he comes into one hundred yards, and I think those

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<v Speaker 1>jakes spooked him because he stopped and he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>started looking behind him, and then he cut hard and

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<v Speaker 1>made a big loop and just kind of disappeared, and

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<v Speaker 1>those jakes ended up coming in. Uh, they didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>all the way in, but Uh, Anyway, the more I

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<v Speaker 1>think about Lauren, I think that it's possible that they

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<v Speaker 1>they saw us. What do you think, or just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like we were head pretty good. We were by some

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<v Speaker 1>falling logs and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we were concealed pretty well. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, who knows. It could have been any but

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<v Speaker 3>this bird.

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<v Speaker 1>So the big gobbler peels out and then the jakes

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<v Speaker 1>come in to probably one hundred yards and just and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really trying to call them in, and they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fade off, and then we start calling again

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<v Speaker 1>and that same gobbler comes back. The jakes are gone,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now he's coming back alone, and I think, oh, good, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll got him, got him. He comes back in to

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty yards and stands in the same

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<v Speaker 1>spot for no less than twenty five minutes and just

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<v Speaker 1>gobbles every time I call, every time a crow calls,

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<v Speaker 1>every time another turkey gobbles and just stands there and

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<v Speaker 1>watches our decoys for thirty I mean, for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought to myself, this is going to be this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to take a long time for him to

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<v Speaker 1>ever get here. And he finally skirted off and around

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<v Speaker 1>got onto this other field. We circle all the way

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<v Speaker 1>around him, like walk probably close to a half mile

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<v Speaker 1>to get complete the opposite side of him, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>losing the jake. I think he's afraid of the Jake decoy,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think. So I just stake out the

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<v Speaker 1>single hen and think, oh man, he'll come now, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm on the opposite side of him the way

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of was wanting to go, it was great

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<v Speaker 1>called and uh he gobbled, gobbled, gobbled, gobbled, but never

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<v Speaker 1>would move an inch, just sat on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>that field, just watching where we were, and we're just

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<v Speaker 1>gobble at us. And then he just walked away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't there's a hard to kill right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Two year old turkey probably that's been roughed up by

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<v Speaker 1>Jake's I mean it's on private land, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like he's been messed with. We're the first part people

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<v Speaker 1>to hunt that place this year, right, So I can't

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<v Speaker 1>understand it, but uh yeah, these field turkeys to kill

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<v Speaker 1>him in the timber Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard. It's really hard. It's fine to see him,

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't. And if you're calling, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times, you know, I'm not a fan of decoys,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you're hunting fields, got to have them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because when they get to where they can see where,

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<v Speaker 2>they know where that calling is, and they can tell

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<v Speaker 2>within you know, a turkey can tell within a foot

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<v Speaker 2>where that racket's coming from. And they don't see a

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<v Speaker 2>hen there. Yeah, they ain't coming. Lots of times they ain't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we got one more day here, we got

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<v Speaker 1>one more day.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna talk about it. Wendy Tuesday. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna embarrass you.

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<v Speaker 2>You ain't gonna embarrass me.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, tell them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tuesday morning, it all worked out, worked out great,

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<v Speaker 2>just like we thought it was going to. Had turkey

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<v Speaker 2>goblin on the roost. He answered us from the roost,

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<v Speaker 2>flew down from the roost, and we watched him on

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<v Speaker 2>film walk two hundred and fifty yards, gobbling and strutting

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<v Speaker 2>every step of the way, all the way into thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five yards. I'm having a flashback right now and when

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled the trigger the first time and the second time,

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<v Speaker 2>what's he doing? As far as I know, he's still

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<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he flew to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he did.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we spoke him this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we walked under one this morning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean on the same limb.

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<v Speaker 1>So so I was up about thirty yards in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods let's just say north of Brent because it was uphill,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea was I was going to call a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit back in the timber and this bird was

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<v Speaker 1>going to come through this field. And it worked out

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we couldn't have drawn it up any better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would, I would learn that Brent thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was overcalling way too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was about to have a stroke.

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<v Speaker 4>I was sitting there just shaking no stop.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was thinking about being miked up. I thought, well,

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.760
<v Speaker 2>they're going to listen to this and I'm not just

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<v Speaker 2>shaking my head.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, you know that's the problem with turkey hunting

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<v Speaker 1>with people. There are about one hundred ways to skin

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<v Speaker 1>a cat. And you know who the person that I've

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<v Speaker 1>hunted with that calls, he would call more than my

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<v Speaker 1>If I had a ten year old Baron Neukem with

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<v Speaker 1>a box call, Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Who that was.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilber Primo. They down there, they say that he'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>yelp marks on one after he kills him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know that's how they when they started out,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's some of their first videos of what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the people are going to say, we called

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<v Speaker 2>too loud and we called too much. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised by or I was mentored by some

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<v Speaker 1>really well Scott Brown's really who I would say, taught

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 1>me a lot about turkey. Henton Gary Nukomb taught me

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<v Speaker 1>the foundations of turke Inton. But Scott Brown taught me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about turke Hinton. And man, he'd he'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>yelp a three note yelp and sit there and have

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<v Speaker 1>him come in. I mean, but we're hunting public land

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<v Speaker 1>tough turkeys. Yeah, and I mean pretty much. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>if a turkey knows where you're at, you don't need

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to be calling to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My dad, my brother's dad and law mister Billy Bryant,

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<v Speaker 2>who mentored all of us on how to on how

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<v Speaker 2>to kill turkeys, and he's killed a passle of them.

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<v Speaker 2>It was three yips and lay your call down.

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>He said, you know, if that turkey ever answers you,

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<v Speaker 2>you stay at that tree sometime during the day, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come by there.

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's Keith killed a lot of turkeys just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Well, I knew you. I knew you thought I

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>was calling too much. And then word on the street

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 1>is I don't call enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I heard that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's another hunts in Missouri.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he was like that dude doesn't call enough. Man,

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I was calling at that turkey like crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you were Wilbury and Primost this morning.

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>We did that morning before when our friend was with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Great guy.

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh and so you know, anyway, me.

0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And Dave did that this morning. We were letting it rip.

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh like it. Hey, oh really, So we had

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>this conversation yesterday because Brent said you called way too

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 1>much and it worked great except for his shooting exactly.

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 1>And then and then the next day the word on

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the street was I didn't call enough. That's all I

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.239
<v Speaker 1>can say about that, And so Brent was like, uh,

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Brent was what did you say? You h I'm trying

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.240
<v Speaker 1>to remember how it all went down. Anyway, we were

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about calling and anyway about the reason why you

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>called so much up here. Well, somebody told you at

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the gas station that, oh, you got to call these turkeys.

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Up Oh yeah, he did. I was getting a tire

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>fixed he told me.

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what he said, you got to call these turkeys

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>up here. Well, this morning, when those birds were out

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>in that cornfield, I've never called so much of my life.

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I was calling with two calls at the same time.

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even waiting for one to finish. I mean,

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they thought something bad was going on. And the more

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I did it, the more they got fired up and

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>came yeah. I mean maybe they're.

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's some truth to it.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, so you missed the turkey at thirty five yards.

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>We're not exactly sure what happened.

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I think my shotguns shooting a little local.

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you were using some shells that we decided

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>we don't like.

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't like them. I'm shooting. I went back

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to my old favorites this morning.

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You're shooting some number nine bismuth. Yeah, and in there

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>it's not tungsten tungsten. Yeah, And it was just a

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>that number nine is a very small pellet and I

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>mean you yeah, anyway, we did, we decided after we

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>we decided we didn't like that.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like the number five. That's what I went

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 2>back to this morning and it worked. Five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Con Man, Lauren? What does so? The title

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of this series is, it's called con Man, and it's

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>about a man named Asa Carter. If you hadn't listened

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast, this isn't gonna make any sense. You

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>need to go back and listen to the episode titled

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>con Man The Education of Little Tree And what what

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.439
<v Speaker 1>does con Man mean? Lauren?

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Con Man is a confidence man short for confidence man,

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 3>but the definition is a man who cheats or tricks

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 3>someone by gaining the trust or persuading them to believe

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 3>something that's not true. Mm hmm ah. Lots of fun

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 3>little other words that go along with con Man, like

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 3>what was it? Uh, they're all listed here. Another word crook, hustler, swindler, bunko, bilker, bilkerker.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you ever heard that day like you built somebody

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 2>out of some money. You gotta watch those.

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 3>Old grift hustle, bunko. I've never heard of bunko either, swindle,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 3>flim flam, gaffle, bamboozled. And then the victims of those

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>people are mark suckers, stooges, mugs, rubs, or gulls. Okay, okay,

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 3>but confidence man is kind of the deal confidence man.

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so as Carter. He could have been called

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things, but con man is a pretty

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>good description of what he did the last part of

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>his life when he became Forrest Carter. And on the

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>next episode, the whole thing is about Forrest Asa Carter,

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's about why he did what he did, some

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 1>of the details of his life, the details of the ruse.

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just a pen name, and I think that's

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>what this first episode gave a little bit of information

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>on the author of the Education of Little Tree, Forrest Carter,

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>who wasn't Forrest Carter at all, but was actually Aci Carter.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>And then we revealed that Asad Carter was a vehement

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>white supremacist and had a radio broadcast produced over one

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred radio episodes that were very kind of wild, you know,

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>racial stuff. And he had a print publication he led

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>his own sect of the KKK that was called the

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Original Sons of the Confederacy. So it was like he

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>was like saying, hey, the normal guys, aren't that aren't

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the real deal, Like we're the real deal. And he

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was a speechwriter for George Wallace, which we revealed on

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. And but he wrote this book under this name,

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Forrest Carter, and it wasn't just a pen name. We'll

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>learn that wasn't just a pen name. He actually turned

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>into Forrest Carter. It changed his life, changed the way

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that he talked, changed, the way that he dressed. Was

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Forrest Carter to everyone. And then he died when he

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>was fifty four. But he wrote The Education of Little Tree,

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>which is essentially an adolescent book. It's kind of like

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a where the Red Fern Grows book, and it was

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>really a unique situation that rarely happens in literature, very

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>rare that a book would posthumously, like after the death

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of the author, would go on the New York Times

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>bestseller list. So the book was published in nineteen seventy

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>six originally and it just had minimal fame or minimal

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it didn't do that well. I think they printed five

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>thousand books at some university press, and then the book

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>began to just have this like grassroots grassroots exposure. And

0:29:55.520 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>then it was reprinted in nineteen eighty eight somebody else,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and then in nineteen ninety one it went on the

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>New York Times bestseller list and was put on Oprah

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Winfrey's Book club list, and it was on trajectory to

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>be an American classic, American adolescent classic, like Where the

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Red Fernt Grows. Kids were reading it in schools all

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>across the country. It was this book that was just

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>full of wisdom, moral lessons, and it was intriguing to read.

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.959
<v Speaker 1>And it was written by this man that was a

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Cherokee Indian that was believed and so the story was

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>just fantastic and people loved it. And then I'll give

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you a little spoiler alert. Doctor Dan T. Carter, my

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>guest on the podcast Relation No relation to Asa Carter.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>You guys thought that was a little confusing, all the

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Carter's card this Carter that, which is true. But Dante Carter,

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I went to his house in North Carolina. Incredible guy,

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>very very nice guy. He's eighty one years old, sharp

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>as attack, like just very very intelligent, very you know,

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>he's just he's just all there. And he he is

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the one who exposed Forrest Carter in nineteen ninety one

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.719
<v Speaker 1>with an op ed that he wrote in the New

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>York Times, and and it was it was like, what

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>who is this guy?

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Hold the phone?

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And it was before internet, so it was easier

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to do that because there was this you know, there

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of people that knew, people that knew,

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>really knew as of Carter, knew what was going on.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's not like they could go on Facebook and

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>tell everybody, oh yeah.

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>What you mean. It easier to keep it quiet, yeah.

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Or or they were telling you know. So he said

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>that when Barbara Walters in the nineteen seventies interviewed Forrest Carter,

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>which is wild and there are Dan T. Carter says

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>that there are zero audio recordings or video of that.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Because I asked him I said, hey, where can I

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>find that? And he said it doesn't exist. He said,

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>back during the seventies, the Good Morning America Show, they

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>literally were erasing tape. They would film something and after

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a certain period of time they would erase the tape

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and like reuse it again. And you can't go on YouTube.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:37.479
<v Speaker 2>You can do.

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, somebody find it. It's not there, but there's

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>no video because I was gonna look at that interview

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and it was Forest Carter, the Cherokee Indian talking to

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Barbara Walters.

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was before VCRs, before any of that recording

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 3>capability at home.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and it was there that he uh uh

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>like they said Dan Tea Carter said that the lines

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>lit up at at the Good Morning America Show saying hey,

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not Forrest Carter, that's Ace of Carter. And they

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>were just like, nah, that's not true. This guy's legitimate

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and there's no way for them to type it in

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and check this guy out. What do you think of that?

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that day?

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty wild, can't help it couldn't happen today, that's

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>What are the implications do you think of This is

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>a question everybody. Never before have We've never lived in

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a world where people had this much access to information.

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it makes you wonder what kind of stuff

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>has gone on forever before about the year two thousand, with.

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>People anything that anybody could get away with. Yeah, that's

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 2>what's gone on. I'm sure it's since the first fellow

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>wanted to trick the other one.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sure it's much much more difficult to be

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 3>a confidence man now.

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna do a new show called Modern con Man.

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>H wild.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, what stood out to you guys about this episode?

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>So many wild things and and I'm I'm I'm talking

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot here. You know, the section of the speech

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>from George Wallace. I debated on putting that in there.

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I asked a couple of people if I should put

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it in there, and they were like, yeah, put it

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>in there.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a historical rights.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's it's historical, and this is

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>these are tales that need to things that need to

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>be talked about and discussed. Yeah, I'll tell you what

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I got from that from from the first part. Now,

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll only be solidified by the second part. Obviously,

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't heard it yet, but people, for that guy

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 2>to be to live that double life, for him to

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>write such a poignant story and touching, heartfelt story. People

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>are inherently good, and they choose to be bad. He

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>chose to hate other races other than his own. He

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>chose to be that way. But he obviously had something

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>inside him that would fuel that story his mind to

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>be able to create such a such a great story,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was a great story.

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a great that's a great way to

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>say it.

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree. And the big question in my mind

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 3>the whole time was is are they seeking some sort

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 3>of redemption? Like are you in repentance for all the

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 3>negative things that you were doing before? Because he wasn't

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>the only one, right, I mean, Wallace kind of repented

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 3>after as well.

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yourself back.

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>A lot of his. He's trying to like fix his wrongs.

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, So you're saying a question in your mind is

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>was Forrest Carter quote unquote the way for Asa Carter

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to repent for what.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 3>He did a little bit? Yeah, I mean to go

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>as far as changing your identity and talking differently and

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 3>pretending to be someone completely different you're looking to to

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 3>get rid of that past life.

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's the question that we're going to talk

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>about on the next episode a lot. Because so where

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>this came from was when Steve Vanella listened to our

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Where the Redferns Grows podcast where we talked about Wilson Rawls,

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>who was the author, this incredible author of Where the

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Red Fern Grows. He was kind of a one hit

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:50.959
<v Speaker 1>wonder author and he in the research I've I've found

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that he had gone to prison more than once. Was

0:36:54.600 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 1>wild and that was not talked about when that book

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 1>came out. It was not talked about at all. And

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and the crimes were were minor, I mean it was

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>not It was larceny of domestic stock, domestic chickens, which

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that may not be the full story. You typically don't

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>send someone to prison for stealing chickens. So and there

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>were and then there was an armed up, not armed

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but there was some burglary, so you know, I mean,

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it was clear the guy had a rough early life.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 1>It was when he was in his twenties, but then

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>he ends up writing this book. And so the question

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>was was this book away for him to kind of

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>fix his past? And it seemed possible this one, I

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't want to. I don't want to give

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>away too much. But it's way more complicated when you

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 1>hear the whole story. And that's why it's called con

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Man and not redemption Man, because it gets pretty wild.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>It gets pretty wild the more you look into you know.

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>But that is a great question, great question. What stood

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>out to you, Lauren about the about the podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a giant twist. You know, I wasn't anticipating

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 3>that he was part of a the KKK, you know,

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 3>that was what are you talking about? Like, how do

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you bridge the gap from an author of Cherokee supposed

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Cherokee Nations to KKK? What are you talking about?

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, it is a wild twist, isn't it?

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Wild twist?

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:31.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>And you gotta wonder about the motivations, like I don't

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, like everybody's got their their motivations. So that

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 3>was the big takeaway. What what in the world motivated

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 3>this guy? And and you know, obviously it was a

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 3>pretty uh well renowned writer ahead of time. It's writing

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 3>speeches and so movies. Yeah, it's mind blowing.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.320
<v Speaker 2>That was crazy.

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, were you expecting that no, So he wrote The

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Outlaw Josee Wales, which he titled his book Gone to Texas.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.479
<v Speaker 1>But Clint Eastwood took the book and turned it into

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>a movie called The Outlaw Josee Wales, And that was

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Clint Eastwood's breakout movie. Which is wild because it to

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>be a screenwriter and to write a movie. And he

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't write the movie, but to have a book made

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>into a movie, it's a big deal. There was presumably

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a fair bit of money he made from that. And

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>then but The Outlaw Josee Wales is an interesting story

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>because the protagonist, the guy that you can't help but love,

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.720
<v Speaker 1>is a Confederate soldier. Do you remember the story, Brent?

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever watch that movie?

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 2>The movie? Yeah, one hundred times.

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the Do you remember the story?

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So I remember the story. Yes.

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Basically, it's the end of the Civil War and there

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 1>is like one band of Confederates that are hiding out

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that haven't haven't haven't given up, uh, and they're the

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Union army is trying to hunt down these these rebels

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's a the captain comes to all these Confederate

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>rebels and says, hey, guys, the war's over, like, we

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>got to give ourselves up. If we give ourselves up

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to this camp down here, everything's gonna be okay. They're

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna let us go. It's not gonna be a big deal.

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>And all the guys agree to go except for Josie Wales,

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's like, I ain't going. And well,

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>all those guys go down there, and it turns out

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.839
<v Speaker 1>it's a trap. Yeah, the the Confederate General that all

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 1>these guys trusted had been paid off. And they go

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>down there and rather than giving them what do you

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>call it when you're you're forgiven of crime, clemency brether

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 1>giving them clemency, they kill him. They kill all these guys.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>And Jesse Wales is up in the mountains and he

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>hears the gunfire and he sees what's happening and he

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>goes down and anyway, the whole thing is this Confederate

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>soldier that you know has been burned by the system

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and everybody cheated him, and he goes into Comanche country.

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>So and and it's always about the hating the establishment.

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>That was that that's in everything that Ace had touched

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>was that the government will burn you. And oh, it

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 1>gets so wild in this next episode because you're going

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to see how that fits back into this deep racism

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:52.439
<v Speaker 1>that he he bought into. It'll all make sense. But Dave,

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>what stood out to you about it?

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 4>I thought, Yeah, I mean I had the same question

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 4>these guys. Was his uh was in this looking for redemption?

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 4>But the story with I'm totally spacing on the guy's name. Now,

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 4>who had the key to the songbox?

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Coon Jack?

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 4>Coonjack?

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 4>And I wonder if in a way, like he was

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 4>trying to use coon Jack as like a metaphor for.

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Himself, tells tell us about Coonjack?

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 4>He you know, uh, he had been fighting his whole

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 4>life and and.

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>This was a story that this is inside the book

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>The Education of a Little Bit. Yes, the grandfather was

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 1>telling little Tree, who's the little grandson, a story from

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 1>his childhood, and he tells the story of this old

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 1>man named coon Jack.

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 4>So go ahead then, Yeah, and Konjack had been fighting

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 4>his whole life and now was just and uh, the

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 4>end of it was, you know, you have to know

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 4>someone or he loved him after that because he knew

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 4>who he was, right, you know, knew where he came

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 4>from and kind of understood him and so and that

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 4>was the whole uh yeah, trying to put that thought

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 4>together now, you know. So then it was really interesting

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 4>that he put that in there, being this clan leader, right,

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 4>like you have to know somebody to love him. And

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 4>then like so it was just like I wonder if

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Konjack was kind of a metaphor for himself. But then

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 4>also like yeah, so, yeah, he's really interesting.

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>He thinks Koonjack basically grew up in the Civil War

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and then the government took his land and he stayed

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and fought for his land. And so Konjack is this

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 1>old man embittered that wants to fight everybody, and he

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.720
<v Speaker 1>wants to fight the He pulls a he basically shows

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a pistol at church when the guys he said, there

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>have been people talking bad about him. By the way,

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>picked up he had the key to the songbook box.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>And so coon Jack flashes a pistol in church and says, hey,

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll use this on anybody that says I'm doing this wrong.

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 1>And Grandpa's dad, Little Tree's great grandfather stands up and

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>just just smooths the situation over, gives a lot of

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>dignity the coon Jack and says we're so sorry. You've

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 1>done a fantastic job at the songbook box, you quepe

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>doing it, and the way that he handles it with

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>such wisdom and grace and empathy is pretty touching. And

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>that's why it's so wild to read all this stuff

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.879
<v Speaker 1>from that written basic carter because this guy, I mean,

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have made up that story. That would have

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>shown the deep intricacies of somebody that's really broken and hurt,

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and a very understanding, empathetic response to that brokenness that

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>actually should help the broken person. Because the great grandfather

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>stands up and goes, coon Jack, you're doing a great job.

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>We love you, and then Grandpa, great Grandpa. It's kind

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of confusing, but basically the old man then tells the

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>young boy, we love people. You can only love someone

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>if you understand him. So this is what's going on

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 1>with coon Jack, and we love him.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like and it made a statement that that you know,

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 2>why why did he get to upset over that? And

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 2>he's he said that the key to this home box

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 2>is all he has. Yeah, so that was his that

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>was his reason for being his his focus in life

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and something that he could call his own and have

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>have power over it because he he lost his land,

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>he lost the war, you know everything, He had lost everything,

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>his whole life, and you know it would be different

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 2>if this was a true story. But this can't mate

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff up. Yeah, that's that's what gets me.

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that, I mean, a beautiful way to explain something

0:45:58.880 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 2>like that.

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the book, I was the hardest part of

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>a podcast like this is trying to find you know,

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't read the whole book on the podcast. That

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 1>would have been cool if just every single person that

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>listened to this podcast had read the whole book. Couldn't happen.

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So I just cherry picked maybe like four or five

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>sections to read that stood out to me. If you'd

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>have read it, Brent, I promise you, you wouldn't have picked

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the ones that I picked. Like those weren't even the

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>high points. Because when I interviewed Steve Ranella, who's a

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>guest on the podcast and a main player on the

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>next podcast too, he was talking about stuff that I

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't even remember in our talk. He would go, but

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 1>what about the story about that? And I'd be like, oh,

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that, Like you know, so you just

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>pick up on different things and so I was just

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to like highlight these places where you see that

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>this author was connected authentically to human nature and what

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be really genuine love and empathy for people.

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, there's our wild question is how do

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 1>you get access to that? I thought it was such

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a great to me. It made sense because Steve said

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 1>when he reads the book the Things about Nature, it's

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>full of really great stuff. Fox hunting, you know, they

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>trap turkeys. They there's a lot of stuff about nature

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:31.479
<v Speaker 1>and the mountains and predation and the way. I read

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the part about the Way on the podcast. There's a

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>section called the Way, and the Way is the Cherokee

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>descriptor of the way of life. And he talks about

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>how the hawk catches the slow quail so that the

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>slow quail doesn't make more slow quail, so only the

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 1>fast quail survive. And then the hawk most of the

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>time catches the mice and the rodents that raid the

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>nests of the quail, and so talcon the hawk it

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>actually helps the quail. And that's the way. The way

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he talks to Little Tree about white tailed deer management,

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>which totally goes against what we would do today, but

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 1>he told. He told little Tree to not shoot the

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>biggest deer, but to shoot the smallest one, to shoot

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the smaller, weaker deer, and let the let the big

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:27.080
<v Speaker 1>ones go, he told, he said, only take what you need.

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 1>And he said the reason there are wars and their

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.799
<v Speaker 1>strife in the world is because people take more than

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:38.320
<v Speaker 1>they need, and they spend their lives trying to protect

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the excess. And he said, if people only took what

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.320
<v Speaker 1>they needed, we wouldn't have all these problems.

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 2>In the world. Who can argue with that?

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And and and they call that the way and and

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and then this is like a writing thing that when

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you see it, you're just like you want it, Little

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Tree says, And I knew that, Grandpa, and I knew

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>something that most people didn't. He always was throwing that

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>in there, that they just kind of had this thing

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that like they had this thing figured out and the

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world didn't. And h and so Steve

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>had said, I'm kind of on a rabbit trail there.

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>But in that as as Asa Carter described the natural world,

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>he Steve was like, that guy had been in the mountains,

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that guy had been fox hunting, that guy had plowed

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 1>with a mule. That guy had grown corn, That guy

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:36.399
<v Speaker 1>had had picked ripe watermelons to understand what they're ripe.

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 1>That guy had made moonshine or been been around moonshine,

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's he said that was authentic. Well, when I

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>read the stuff about empathy and human nature, it's like

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:54.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy was deeply in touch, more probably than most,

0:49:54.600 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 1>more than me, with with with how people operate, which

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Darren lots of questions. It's kind of fascinating. Who is

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy? Why was he so crazy? How could he

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>do that? How was he connected to that kind of

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>authenticity but still connected with all this wild stuff?

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:11.439
<v Speaker 2>He was.

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Very intriguing, very intriguing, Yeah, for sure.

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.240
<v Speaker 4>And then how do we grapple with that today?

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 4>Like, how do we take that book today? And like

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 4>do we just blacklist it or do we you know,

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 4>take the book for what it is, but you know,

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 4>recognize that it's not autobiographical and.

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It was very who was it?

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Look at who was written by?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so what do you think, Dave, if you

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<v Speaker 1>had kids, what do you let your kids read it?

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing what you know?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, probably, but you know I'd like to

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<v Speaker 4>wait until they're maybe a little bit older, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they can kind of so you can kind of understand

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<v Speaker 4>and start to explain some of the complexities of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, explain like who this guy was in what

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<v Speaker 4>this book is and what it's not. Yeah, you know,

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 4>it's not a historical piece. It's not. But it's a

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<v Speaker 4>story and it has good lessons in it. But this

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:20.840
<v Speaker 4>guy that wrote it did some terrible things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah. What about you, Lauren? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, you know, do you tell him

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<v Speaker 3>who the author really was? Do you give him the

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<v Speaker 3>book and just have them experience it for what it

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<v Speaker 3>is and don't say anything. Yeah you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe later bring that up or share the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>with him, so that that is their education and enlightenment

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.399
<v Speaker 3>after reading the book. Yeah, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think, Brent?

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<v Speaker 2>What? To me, a good story is a good story,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have to buy into his politics or

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<v Speaker 2>his philosophy on life, or his judgment of other people's

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>if I'm if if that story is a good story

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and entertaining, I don't care who wrote it, because I

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 2>don't go anything further than the last page. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the time to put that book down and pick up

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<v Speaker 2>another one. To me, that is, and I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any problem at all reading it to my children because

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<v Speaker 2>anything that if that book is the way you say

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and I trust your judgment that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>poignant story about life of a little person. It's fictional.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not made out to be autobiographical. That I is

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<v Speaker 2>that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's he wrote it as like based on a

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<v Speaker 1>true story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well then then then then I would start the

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>book off that this is not true, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is just a this is just a fun story, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweetie, I want you to read this book. It was

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<v Speaker 1>written by a con man.

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<v Speaker 4>Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how I look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the bigger question we get into into the

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<v Speaker 1>second episode. You should have just skipped this render and

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 1>listened to the second. But we talk about does character

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 1>matter because and the bottom line is that in some

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 1>places it does. In some places, well, well, the character

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>matters everywhere. What I'm saying is, could you get something

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<v Speaker 1>from a source that lacked character because the the book

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>standing alone and somebody might read it and have problems

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 1>with something, you know, uh, that other people wouldn't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not like I buy into the the

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 1>cosmology of the Native Americans. I mean that's there, that's

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>their stories and stuff just about the creation of the

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.359
<v Speaker 1>earth and all this stuff. Like I'm not I'm not

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>getting behind that. But what I am saying is that

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.880
<v Speaker 1>it there. The book has legitimately got some great stuff

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in it, but there are places in life where you

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 1>don't want anything from something that comes from a very

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 1>flawed source. And we're going to talk about that kind

0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>of stuff on the next podcast. Lots of foreshadowy, lots

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>of foreshadowing on this one, lots of foreshado. But no

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<v Speaker 1>I would. I would let my kids read the book. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether I would tell them about it right away or not,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because it's so hard to read the book,

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.879
<v Speaker 1>and I've spoiled it for everyone. But it's so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to read the book with this knowledge and really take

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<v Speaker 1>in the book as you would if you knew nothing,

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 1>if you didn't know anything, you just read it, you

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 1>would you would might come away with with different conclusions

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:58.919
<v Speaker 1>about it. But but nobody was. You don't be mad

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<v Speaker 1>at me because you weren't going to read this book

0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:05.440
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three, because that's a joke. You're supposed

0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 1>to laugh. Yes, it was on my book list. No

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:13.400
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't, because it was the blacklisting of that book

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<v Speaker 1>when Oprah took it off her book list in two

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, and when which was years after it

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>came out, which is kind of interesting. It took a

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:28.000
<v Speaker 1>while for it to like trickle through the world. It

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>people just haven't read it. And so I on the

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 1>podcast talked to Steve about how I had a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>time finding an academic person that would talk to me. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>now Dan T. Carter talked to me about Asa Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>But Dante Carter is not necessarily an expert on the

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 1>book The Education at Little True. Typically you can find

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 1>an academic expert on a piece of literature, for instance,

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.799
<v Speaker 1>on Where the Red Fern Grows. I interviewed a guy

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Arkansas that was like, heck, yeah,

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>this is this is in my field of literature. You know,

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 1>have students read this book, Yes, I will talk to you.

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>We sent out emails everywhere and just got nothing from anybody.

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 1>And at first, well the one person that did respond said, hey,

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, this book has been blacklisted, right, And I

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, that's why I want to talk about it.

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:24.839
<v Speaker 1>And but so I couldn't understand if people didn't want

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to do it because it was blacklisted, or if because

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 1>it was blacklisted nobody read it and knew about it.

0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.759
<v Speaker 1>There's two reasons why people wouldn't have emailed me back.

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<v Speaker 1>You understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you resolve that in any fashion? None?

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's totally anecdotal because you know that there'll

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.879
<v Speaker 1>probably be people that write in and be like, well,

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm a literature professor and would have been glad to

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 1>have talked to you. But the typical amount of work

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that we put into trying to find the best sources

0:56:55.440 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 1>for interviewees about topics and and we do, me and

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 1>me and Isaac, We put a lot of work into

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.879
<v Speaker 1>finding really great guests. We could not find on this one.

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:09.279
<v Speaker 1>We were like scratching our heads. Steve was actually like

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>option B. Steve Vanella was like the B team. I

0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, well okay, Steve, go ahead, No he and

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he was fantastic. Was Steve's idea originally this podcast. Steve

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>read this book back in college and then he he

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 1>after listening to Where the Red fern Grows said, Hey,

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you ought to do one on educational litlty. I didn't

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>know about the book. Steve knew you. I never heard

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of it, and uh no, Steve was great man. He read,

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 1>he re read the book, and so he was coming

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>hot off of rereading the book and he did better

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>than an academic. Well he Steve is a literary I'd

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>call him a literary expert in most most most types

0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>of literature. He's able to critique it and so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he was fantastic. H Well, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Closing thoughts, looking forward to the next episode. If if

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 2>there is a bigger twist coming in the second episode

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:15.400
<v Speaker 2>as there was in the first, if it was three episodes,

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be able to.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Take it, wouldn't be able to take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was It was cool. It's definitely got me

0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:22.960
<v Speaker 3>hooked and wanting to listen to the second.

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd like to read the book too. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>wonder if is it hard to find?

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<v Speaker 1>No You get by on Amazon.

0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 4>It's going to be on the New York Times bestseller

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 4>list again.

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Podcast No shoot Man, you can get it on They're

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.240
<v Speaker 1>giving them away for free on paperback man on Amazon

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get we're trying to liquidate these things. Well, hey,

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 1>listen to this Country Life with Brent Reeves. It's going

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to be great. You've already heard one episode that's come

0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 1>out before this one, but it's going to be every

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Friday we'll be able to hear it. Thank you guys

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>for listening to the bear Groase Render, and we'll see

0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you next time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna eat some catfish.

0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're about to fry some catfish and turkey breasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the grease Hig