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Speaker 1: Real celebrity joined the Breakfast Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela, Ye, Charl,

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Speaker 1: I mean the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We

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Speaker 1: have a special guest in the building this morning, doctor

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Speaker 1: Boys Watkins. Come on and so what's happening in brother,

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Oh? Everything's good, longtime Pola mine. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been having a conversation for the past two weeks

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Speaker 1: about financial I call it illiteracy, you know, ever since

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Speaker 1: mister Damon Dash left, you know, and it's parked up

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Speaker 1: a good conversation in our community just about finances, and

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Speaker 1: you know, entrepreneurship investing, its investing in self empowerment. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to reach out to a financial expert that

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Speaker 1: I know, doctor Boys Watkins. Now, for people who aren't

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Speaker 1: familiar telling why you're a financial expert, we'll have a

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Speaker 1: PhD in finance and a tough finance for about twenty

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Speaker 1: years University of Kentucky, Indian University, Syracuse University, etc. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I know a lot about money. I

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Speaker 1: know what it's like to not have any money. UM.

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Speaker 1: I used to really want money. That's why I major

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Speaker 1: in finance. I wasn't even really supposed to go to college.

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Speaker 1: I figured that if I study money learned about money,

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Speaker 1: somebody would pay me money to talk about money. But

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Speaker 1: then I really also learned how money can be used

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Speaker 1: as a tool not just to liberate you, but it

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Speaker 1: can also enslave you. I mean, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of multimillionaires in our community that are scared of their

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Speaker 1: own shadow, that are just afraid of everything, afraid to

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Speaker 1: be controversial, etc. And I think sometimes if you look

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Speaker 1: at money in the wrong way. Money, money, it's powerful,

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Speaker 1: like fire or like a drug. Like fire can either

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Speaker 1: burn you and your family alive. A drug can either

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Speaker 1: heal you and make you better or can turn you

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Speaker 1: into an addict. So that relationship with money, I think

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Speaker 1: is important because most of us think about money several

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Speaker 1: times a day every day. And you wrote several books

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Speaker 1: on finances as well. Yeah, yeah, you know. I wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called Black American Money. I have another book

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Speaker 1: coming out called It Takes a Village to Raise the Bar,

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Speaker 1: a New paradigm for Black America, and it's basically talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, just ways to think about money in ways

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Speaker 1: that that money can really be the next step in

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Speaker 1: our civil rights movement, you know, because you know, if

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Speaker 1: you have political power without without any economic power, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of like having a driver's license but not having

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Speaker 1: a car. You know, like you're not gonna go anywhere

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Speaker 1: unless somebody else wants you, wants to give you a ride,

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Speaker 1: and then at that point you're still only gonna go

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Speaker 1: where they want to take it. Now, question Dame Dash.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned that earlier. What did you think of Dame

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Speaker 1: Dash his interview? You know what, um I describe him

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Speaker 1: as a breughly fresh air you know, yes, well, you

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Speaker 1: know what I liked. Here's what I like about Dame.

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Speaker 1: I liked the energy that Dame comes with, Like I

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Speaker 1: like to me, I think that that so many black

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Speaker 1: not something that just recently happened. It's been happening for

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Speaker 1: one hundreds of years. That I liked the idea of

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Speaker 1: just having a call to manhood and kind of saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, we can do better, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I think with Dame it's interesting because you know, he's

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Speaker 1: I like about Dame. I think Dames started a conversation.

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Speaker 1: have someone that you have to answer to. You have

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. A lot of people don't get this.

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Speaker 1: and you grow that, and you grow that over several generations.

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Speaker 1: Now it's massive, and I think we have to ask

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Speaker 1: great grandchildren, great great grandchildren. What are you passing playing

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Speaker 1: growing up, I didn't learn about being an entrepreneur or investing.

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Speaker 1: My parents didn't they My pops was a police officer

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Speaker 1: you get a chance to feel that power of a boss, Um,

428
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Speaker 1: it goes far deeper than the money. If you're doing

429
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,679
Speaker 1: it just for the money, I think you're missing like

430
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,960
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the equation. I mean, I don't love money.

431
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I studied capitalism and finance. I

432
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,320
Speaker 1: know all about that. But it's just I breathe easier

433
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 1: every day I get up. I don't just crawl out

434
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,639
Speaker 1: of bed. I bounce out of bed, right. Um. You

435
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,880
Speaker 1: know it's so I think everybody should get a chance

436
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 1: to feel this, and I think we got. We definitely

437
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,640
Speaker 1: start with our kids, you know, and and and don't.

438
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,399
Speaker 1: And there's no excuse to say, well, I don't understand entrepreneurships.

439
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,240
Speaker 1: I can't teach us to my kids. The best university

440
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280
Speaker 1: in the history of the world is called Google dot

441
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Speaker 1: com and YouTube dot com. You can literally go to

442
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: YouTube University and learn everything you want to know. We

443
00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 1: actually have a website called Financial Juneteenth as well that

444
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,240
Speaker 1: people can go to. But that's one of a billion

445
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 1: that random YouTube videos. Boys are out there too, Okay,

446
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 1: there all right, there you go. Okay, well I got

447
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,680
Speaker 1: the endorsement for Charlotte Magne. Thank you, brother. But you know, yeah,

448
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,160
Speaker 1: but all seriousness, like I mean, the information is out

449
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 1: there and sometimes really sometimes it's something small. Um. It

450
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Speaker 1: might be something like just saying to your kids, yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: one day makes you own your own business. If you

452
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,920
Speaker 1: say that a few times a year to your child,

453
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 1: will hold on to that, you know. Um, I knew

454
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Speaker 1: a guy. I know, a guy who's a twenty seven

455
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 1: year old millionaire, and that's what he said. He said.

456
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Speaker 1: My dad did not, Um, you know, he didn't have

457
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Speaker 1: his own business, but he just always said to me,

458
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,239
Speaker 1: you should have your own business. He didn't explain how

459
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, he just said, this is

460
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Speaker 1: what you should do. So that's what I did. And

461
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 1: now he's doing really well. You know. And my dad

462
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 1: was a cop like like your dad, and so we

463
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 1: understood the value of hard work. Um, you know, I

464
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Speaker 1: don't know about your dad. My dad was a very

465
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Speaker 1: tough guy. He was a Vietnam vent and he did

466
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Speaker 1: and I think the reason that I don't have a

467
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Speaker 1: big problem with Dame Dad said, is because my dad

468
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Speaker 1: has a little bit of that in him. Like my dad,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, he was straight up pump me. You know

470
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Speaker 1: when when when I got to feeling sorry for myself

471
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Speaker 1: or like all the world won't do this for me,

472
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Speaker 1: do that for me. And and if you if you

473
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Speaker 1: sort of sift through that energy that you're that you're

474
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Speaker 1: receiving that might bother you or assault your masculinity, you realize, Okay,

475
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Speaker 1: maybe he has a point because at the end of

476
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Speaker 1: the day, nobody really cares that much about you in

477
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Speaker 1: this world. He's absolutely right about empolierment. He's absolutely right.

478
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Speaker 1: But you know what, it was my dad that actually

479
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Speaker 1: made me become an entrepreneur because, like you said, my

480
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Speaker 1: dad would was a police so he was very hard

481
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Speaker 1: on me. And him being so hard at me, I

482
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Speaker 1: didn't want to work for anybody. I would never wanted

483
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: to have a boss like that, That's what it. So

484
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Speaker 1: I started doing mixtapes and started on my own and

485
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Speaker 1: sell them because I didn't want a boss. And for me,

486
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Speaker 1: like I told Dane, radio was my passion. I love it.

487
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Speaker 1: Like now people get up and you said, you get

488
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Speaker 1: that bounce in the morning. I'm not tired. I enjoy

489
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Speaker 1: coming to work. It's not a day when I'm like,

490
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Speaker 1: damn it, I got to come to work. When I

491
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Speaker 1: missed work too many days, I start fidgeting, like I'm like,

492
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Speaker 1: I gotta get to work. I start calling Charlemagne, like

493
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Speaker 1: what you're doing? Calling you like what you're doing when

494
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Speaker 1: you were at you know, because I love this job.

495
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: But it's back with what you said. There's a lot

496
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Speaker 1: of people that don't need to be entrepreneurs, that don't

497
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Speaker 1: have that in their heart. So that people who need

498
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Speaker 1: to invest, what can they invest in? Because that's something

499
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Speaker 1: that people just don't know. They don't they're scared of

500
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Speaker 1: the stock market, so they don't know what they can

501
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Speaker 1: invest in. They hear about the stock market going up

502
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Speaker 1: and down. They feel like real estate is too much

503
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Speaker 1: money to put ten percent down a five percent down

504
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Speaker 1: on a home. So what would you advise for that

505
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Speaker 1: person that doesn't want to be an entrepreneur, or doesn't

506
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Speaker 1: have the time, or has kids, that just wants to

507
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Speaker 1: invest their money. What would you tell them to put

508
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Speaker 1: their money and something that can make money, not just

509
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Speaker 1: a bank where they're gonna make two percent or you know,

510
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Speaker 1: out of one hundred years something that they could possibly

511
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Speaker 1: make some money. Well, you know, when I first got

512
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Speaker 1: started investing, UM, I put my money in mutual funds UM.

513
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Speaker 1: And it's not complex. If you just go to your

514
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Speaker 1: bank and say, you know, can you show me some

515
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: mutual funds I can invest in, They'll show you what

516
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Speaker 1: to do. They even have scenarios where you can set

517
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Speaker 1: up a drip where you take a little bit of

518
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Speaker 1: your paycheck. It could be ten dollars, fifty dollars, whatever,

519
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Speaker 1: and it goes into account over time. And I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that there go a lot off you if

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Speaker 1: you do like a four one K like a tax

522
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Speaker 1: divers type thing or four or three buh. You know

523
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Speaker 1: that that can be the start of kind of thinking

524
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Speaker 1: about investing. And that's what I do. I mean, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: I had money going into my retirement account and believe

526
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Speaker 1: it or not, actually what I did finally leave my

527
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Speaker 1: job and start my own business. UM my retirement account

528
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Speaker 1: which I built up over the years. Uh, it kind

529
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Speaker 1: of played like it was. It played the role of

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Speaker 1: a small bank for me, because sometimes you can't get

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Speaker 1: the capital you one. Sometimes a bank won't lend it

532
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Speaker 1: to you and you just don't have it. Um, so

533
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Speaker 1: sometimes I borrow against myself whatever. And and what I

534
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: found too, though, was that there are so many opportunities

535
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: when it comes to investing in the black community, so

536
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: many opportunities that have just overlooked and uh and and

537
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Speaker 1: literally I was able to double and triple my money

538
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. You know, so so bank stuff, yeah, just

539
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: well just off of us to find your portfolio. Yeah. Well,

540
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: now the mutual fund part that is diversification. Like a

541
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Speaker 1: mutual fund is not something where you're picking the stock

542
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Speaker 1: or trying to pick the right stock at the right time.

543
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Speaker 1: You your money's invested in thousands of stocks and and

544
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Speaker 1: and really I just put my money in and I

545
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Speaker 1: just made sure I had a certain like balance as

546
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Speaker 1: far as risk, you know, not too much risk, not

547
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Speaker 1: too little. And then I just left it alone. But

548
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: that's not that's longevity. Most especially African Americans, they want

549
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: that money now, like they don't want to wait twenty

550
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Speaker 1: years down the line to see that money flip something,

551
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: don't sell crack with something with more risks, Like what

552
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Speaker 1: do you advise because you know, I have my money

553
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Speaker 1: in mutual funds in bonds, but you look at that

554
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Speaker 1: money black my kids to see that, you know what

555
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean. But what can they invest in now, to say,

556
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Speaker 1: you know what, here, try this or look at this,

557
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: or maybe this might be for you where I can

558
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: make a quicker flip. Well, two things. One, um, there

559
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: are billionaires being created every day on the Internet. I mean,

560
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you these Silicon Valley cats or whatnot.

561
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got it figured out that, you know,

562
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: they create value very it's very quickly, with very little

563
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: capital investors. Sometimes apps all those stuff, all that social

564
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: media apps with Snapchat, Twitter, yep, yep. And then uh,

565
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, on top of that, you know, I would say,

566
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Speaker 1: partner with someone that identifies the need and help fill it.

567
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: It might be something as simple as, uh, my friend

568
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: bakes cookies really good, and when she goes to work

569
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Speaker 1: and brings her cookies, everybody loves them. So what you

570
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: bought that? Guys in cookies, self cookies, cookies, cookies. Oh yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: I mean cookies. I don't know, I don't know. I

572
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: like cookies. I like cookies. My son sells cookies. Well,

573
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, so so a lot

574
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Speaker 1: of times, you know, I can tell you I've made

575
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Speaker 1: most of my money like that, just identifying a little

576
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Speaker 1: need and and and you know, if I have a

577
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Speaker 1: friend that wants to do something and they need five

578
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars to get started, I invest our own half

579
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the company or whatever, and then you know you can

580
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Speaker 1: make money that way. Um. You know, most of my

581
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: money has been built from small businesses I created, you know,

582
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: online and offline, as opposed to the long term stuff

583
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: of the stock market. So I think people should do

584
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: both a little bit both. That would be real realistically, right. So,

585
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: now you open up a business, who do you hire

586
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: to run your business? Who do you hire as your employees? Uh? Well,

587
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't hire African Americans? Or do you hire people

588
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: that best suit the job? I think you do both. Um.

589
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of of hiring black people. Um,

590
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, because because people tend to hire people like them.

591
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: A lot of times people think it's a race issue

592
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: with the employee discrimination, but actually it's just like, no,

593
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Speaker 1: I'm just hiring people who are I relate to right

594
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Speaker 1: and to me. Yeah, and sometimes black people we're the

595
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Speaker 1: only ones who kind of fall for that that lie

596
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: that that we shouldn't love our love people that are

597
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Speaker 1: like us and support our own community. Um, if you

598
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Speaker 1: go to like Jewish communities and Arab could be I

599
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: mean they aren't hooking up their family members first and foremost.

600
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Now now, at the same time, you know, you don't

601
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: want to hire relatives who are going to screw up

602
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: your company or or ruin your relationship by doing a

603
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: bad job. So there are some relatives I would never

604
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Speaker 1: hire in the million years. But but I'm always when

605
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Speaker 1: I have an opportunity, I look to the people around me. First,

606
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: I take care of people in my circle, in my family,

607
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: blood family or not right. And then if I can't

608
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Speaker 1: find somebody in my family, then I might go outside

609
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: of that this company or sites like old desk and

610
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: elands where you can find contractors at a good price,

611
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: stuff like that if you don't have a lot of money.

612
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: But but I'm a big fan of supporting your own

613
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Speaker 1: I mean, why why wouldn't we do that? I mean,

614
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: that's that's really essential to survive. A lot of people

615
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: are scared around, a lot of I think a lot

616
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: of African Americans are scared to hire our own and

617
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: are fearful around. You know, It's one of those things

618
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Speaker 1: that's like you're scared of yourself. And I see that

619
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Speaker 1: a lot. You know, I think sometimes the biggest supporters

620
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Speaker 1: of white supremacy are black people. Actually, um, you know,

621
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Speaker 1: we truly believe that we are a flawed brand of society.

622
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Speaker 1: We some of us, you know, we really we say

623
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: things about ourselves that are disparaging many of us because

624
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: we don't have we don't always have a culture to

625
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: connect to. Remember, a lot of black history doesn't even

626
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: start for many of us before slavery. We don't. We

627
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: have no clue what happened to us before we arrived

628
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: on slave ships. So for many of us, we might assimilate,

629
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Speaker 1: latch our minds onto attaining acceptance within, say, white institutions,

630
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: as a sign of progress. Right, we'll say something like, okay, well,

631
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Speaker 1: so and so was the first black man to get

632
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Speaker 1: into Harvard and I'm very proud of that, which fine, okay,

633
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: harding proud of Harvard, right right, right, right, right. But

634
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, right, you know, you don't really

635
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: hear white folks saying, well, this is the first white

636
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: man to get into more House. They don't care. They

637
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: don't consider assimilation or acceptance by us to be a

638
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: step up, but we consider assimilation acceptance by them to

639
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Speaker 1: be a step up. And I just don't think that

640
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: that's a healthy way to think. I look at things

641
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: like that, I'm like, it's not the black president that's

642
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: making progress. Harvard is making progress because they're probably accepting

643
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: us exactly exactly and and I mean and we're I

644
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: mean we are such as strong and capable people, I

645
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: mean intellectually, physically, and otherwise. You know, even if you

646
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: look at sports, you know, like there there really is

647
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: no sort of white version of Shaquille O'Neal, no white

648
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: version of Kobe Bryant. I think that there is something

649
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: about the fact that we survived hundreds of years of

650
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: the most brutal torture ever dropped on any group of

651
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: human beings on the planet. And I think that's what

652
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: makes people fear us. And so if you fear something,

653
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: if you are a trainer of a big elephant and

654
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: you know that elephant could crush you in a second,

655
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: what do you do. You have to control the elephant's

656
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: mind from the very beginning and make him think you're

657
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: the boss. And I think that's kind of what happens

658
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: to us. I think that we're trained to hate ourselves

659
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: so much we will kill each other, we will you know,

660
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: dog each other out, we won't support each other. And

661
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a problem empire. Well, you know what,

662
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think if I think that Lee

663
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: Daniels to some extent is might be this and all

664
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: of us, you know, I mean, you know, don't get

665
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: me wrong. I'm not saying I'm not hating on people

666
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: that enjoy the show. I'm not attacking people who work

667
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: on the show. But here's the thing. Black men are

668
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: the most incarcerated group of people on the plan. I mean,

669
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: there's no we incarcerate more black men in America than

670
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: South Africa did during the height of apartime. And if

671
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: if apartime was considered the most racist regime in history

672
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: and we had cars wereting more black men than they did,

673
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: what does that say about America? Right? So, given that

674
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: that is true, many of those incarcerations occur, many of

675
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: those men are innocent, and women as well. Um it occurred,

676
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Well not everybody, that's what they say. That's what everybody said.

677
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: They're not they don't say, but but there in so

678
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: many cases they are. Everybody in jail. But right, But

679
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: every week on You're Black World, we're writing about some

680
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: brother that went to prison in nineteen eighty two for

681
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: something he didn't do, did thirty years and then they

682
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: gave him half a million dollars or something like that's

683
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: gonna make it better. One brother, in fact, got got

684
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: nine million because he was sent to prison for rape

685
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: he did not commit. Uh, but he was raped many

686
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: times in prison. Called it called HIV in the process. Yes, yes.

687
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: And on top of that, the prosecutors a year later,

688
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: year after they incarcerated him, found the guy who committed

689
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: the crime, locked him up, but didn't release him and

690
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: kept him in prison for thirty years and he had

691
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: a newborn daughter. This is a kind of a posity.

692
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Is the kind of holocaust really that we're dealing with.

693
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: So in the light of that, with that is the

694
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: backdrop of all of this, we have to understand in

695
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: many cases, when that brother goes before that all white

696
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: jury and many a lot of times a prosecutor to

697
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: get a conviction, all he's gotta do is paint some

698
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: picture of this black man being a thug. That's why

699
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: George Zimmerman was released because they showed pictures of Trayvon

700
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: smoking weed, like, oh, he was a thug. We know

701
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: George Zimmerman was the real thug, right, Jordan Davis when

702
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: he got murdered from playing his music too loud, they

703
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: painted him as a thug in the courtroom. There are

704
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of time he got. He

705
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: got his time, thank god, thank god. But then you

706
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Brian Banks, the football player who was falsely accused of rape,

707
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: who lost his whole career because of that, the accusation.

708
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: His attorney told him, he said, Brian, you are a

709
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: big black man. If you go in front of that

710
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: all white jury, they are gonna send you to prison.

711
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get justice because you're a big black man.

712
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: That's why he took the police. A lot of brothers

713
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: go to prison for taking the police. We know this, right.

714
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: So the question that I asked myself, right, let me go,

715
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the empire. The question I asked myself is,

716
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: if you've got this all white jury, many of whom

717
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: don't even have any black friends, don't know a whole

718
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: lot of black people, why is it so easy to

719
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: convince them that this black man is a scary perception? Right,

720
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: perception which comes from many times in media. So in

721
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: my opinion, it doesn't mean that I hate Empire. I

722
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: saw it's a good show, but I said, you know,

723
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: I have to be a constricentious objector to the consistent

724
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: the portrayal of black men as criminal, thug, gangster type people,

725
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: because that's not who we are. I agree with you,

726
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: but this is my thing too. Art reflects life, right,

727
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: and I feel like guys like Lee Daniels, they're only

728
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: showing us one POV of African Americans. They're not showing

729
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: the guys like you. They're not showing we need more

730
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: stuff like Salm was showing guys like Martin Luther King Jr.

731
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: We don't need any more slave movies. No, we could

732
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: do it. We could do it out the thug experience.

733
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: We've heard that numerous amount of times in music and movies.

734
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's necessarily Lee Daniel's fault. He's

735
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: just showing us one POV of African Americans. Yeah, And

736
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: in my opinion, when I look at the trail of

737
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: Lee's work, he's showing kind of a very consistent POV

738
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: that kind of shows this kind of the basement of

739
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: black life just the most the worst, most disgusting things

740
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: that happened in the black community. When I looked at Precious,

741
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean I was depressed when I walked out African

742
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: American horror movie, right, it was like, what the hell

743
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: is this? Man? Like, are you serious like that? Like

744
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: this poor girl was getting crapped on the whole movie.

745
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I hate it. And then it's here's the thing. When

746
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: I found out it was I thought it was real.

747
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: But then when I found out it wasn't real, I

748
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: was like, damn, you could have a happy ending that least. Yeah,

749
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it minds me of Quentin Tarantino.

750
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: His movies are so sick that you're just like, man, like,

751
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: what did you go through as a child. So I

752
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: literally studied Lee's background, like I read his Wikipedia page

753
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: in detail and trying to just understand it. If you

754
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: look at Lee's background, He's experienced some horrible excuse my

755
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: French and not mean my bad Okay, you know he's

756
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: he's gone through some terrible things, and you know the

757
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: trauma of the abuse, being uh, you know, denied love

758
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: by his family. He talks about his sister as an

759
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: obast crack addict, and I think that when you go

760
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: through that kind of trauma as a as a as

761
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: a as a black person, which a lot of us do,

762
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: you can somehow associate your blackness with just the very

763
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: worst things that can happen, you know, in a society.

764
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: So what do you do? Then? Then you somehow might

765
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: be convinced that maybe on the other side of town,

766
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: where the white folks live, that that's the paradise, that's

767
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: where you want to be, that's where life gets good.

768
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: And I think that that's unfortunate because I think there

769
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: are a lot of healthy experiences that occur in the

770
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: black community, and I don't see those portrayed as regularly immediate. Yes,

771
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: I love black, but this is the problem. Though. You

772
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: look at Empire, right or love and hip hop and

773
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, this is not positive for

774
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: my people, but it's gonna make me a lot of money. Right,

775
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: then this is this is the problem. You say, Well,

776
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: if I don't make it, somebody else gonna make it.

777
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: So why don't I make it and make the money.

778
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Why we can't just look at it as entertainment like

779
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: how you said about white people. Because I make the money,

780
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I could put the money into positive things. And maybe

781
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: help do you. Maybe he's doing it, maybe he's not.

782
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: But I look at some things like that where you know,

783
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: you look at your Love and hip Hop and it's

784
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: an FT up show, and you look at Empire and

785
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: there's so many stereotypes. It pisses me up sometimes, like

786
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: they're fighting in telecops, Like it's so stereotypical that when

787
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I walk out my house, I feel like my neighbors

788
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: are looking at me, like, you know, VI is right.

789
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: But how you said about white people. They don't look

790
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: at white people getting into moor House as an accomplishment.

791
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Do you think they look at their own entertainment and

792
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: say quin Tarantino's bad for white people? If stuff he

793
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: makes all the music there? Well, people are mad about

794
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Italian White people get upset and like how we do

795
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: well well affecting our people. Well, I think the whites

796
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: have the luxury. Again, this this does come back to

797
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: white privilege and a white supremacy to some extent. I mean,

798
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: because they own the media outlets, they get such a

799
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: diverse array of portrayals. But but I have a lot

800
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: of friends in Hollywood. I'm sure you do too, who

801
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: will say, you know, I get tired of going into

802
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: auditions and having them tell me to be the black

803
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: woman with the attitude, swing my talk loud, etc. Or

804
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I get tired of being asked to be the black

805
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: man who portrays the thug. I remember I was very

806
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: proud of Idris Elba because he took a standing was saying, like,

807
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: their certain roles, I just will not play, even for

808
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry. And he was in the Tyler Perry movie,

809
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: um and and and So. The thing about media to

810
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: me is that media is just one of the most

811
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: powerful forms of propaganda known to man. I mean right,

812
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean it is, yes, I mean Hitler used media,

813
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: uh to justify the persecution and the abuse and the

814
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: slaughter of the Jews. All you gotta do is you

815
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: paint them as menaces to society, as these fundamentally dysfunctional people,

816
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: these these these the almost like almost like roaches and

817
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: maggots that you have to exterminate, and then people will

818
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: sign off on allowing you to exterminate them. H Well,

819
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue that that's not what's been consistently

820
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: happened with black people. I mean, even when we were

821
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: being lynched on a regular basis, they didn't just lynch

822
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: black people just for being black. They would always have

823
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: an excuse. It would always be, well, he was he

824
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: touched that white woman, or or he stole some cookies

825
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: or back to cookie cookies right right, right, I guess

826
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I want I'm gonna eat some cookies after. I know, right,

827
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I need some cookies. But you know, so so so,

828
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, I think

829
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: that you know, a lot of what we're seeing in media,

830
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: we have to not make sure we don't fall for

831
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: this idea that it's just entertainment. That's how propaganda works,

832
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: is you convince people that's just entertainment and nothing is

833
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: just entertainment. But most of the time there's an agenda.

834
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Even even Lea and this producers said that, you know,

835
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: our goal is to blow the lid off homophobia in

836
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: the black community. They understand that entertainment does have an

837
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: impact on the way people think. That's what I actually

838
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: said when I heard him say that statement. I said,

839
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: I think, Lee, Lee, you care more about homophobia than

840
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: what we do. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Well,

841
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: I ain't tripping off it like that, But the problem

842
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: is it is, especially in our community, we idolize that

843
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: and like Charlemagne says all the time, you know, we

844
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: we like to go to the schools and talk to

845
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: the kids. But you know, growing up in Queens, I

846
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: see my dad and I see my dad work mad

847
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: over time to make sure my Christmas was great and

848
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: spent a lot of money to put me in Catholic school.

849
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: But then I would see all the drug dealers driving

850
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: up the block working an hour or two and they

851
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: have the expensive cause, the nice jewelry the women, and

852
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: I think for our community, we look at that as

853
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: making it. We don't look at the at the family

854
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: as I had my mother and father in the household,

855
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: and I had my father there on Christmas and my

856
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: father never went to jail. You know, we don't look

857
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: at that. So when you see some of these movies,

858
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about some of these movies minutes to society,

859
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, and what's tell the movie that you just

860
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: said the other day that you boys in the hood

861
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Jews hues and uh, what'snice movie movies? We love, we

862
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: love watching it and we enjoy watching those type of movies.

863
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: I never gave a damn bout Tony Monte. Besides coming

864
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: to America. I can't really think of a propertive. It

865
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: was Bill Cosby a different world. None of that was

866
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: positive to me because Martin Martin did right and and

867
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: and he loved he loved a black woman too. I

868
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: mean that's that's important as well. Absolutely that on TV.

869
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: What do we have now? You know, it seems like

870
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: now it's interesting because they just did an article that

871
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I was talking about in Deadline, right and they were

872
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: saying that, um, right, now, the pendulum might have swung

873
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: a bit too far in the opposite direction. Is too

874
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: few roles. Before there were too few roles for actors

875
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: of color in Hollywood. But now, according to this article,

876
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: basically fifty percent of the roles and a pilot have

877
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: to be ethnic and the mandate goes all the way

878
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: down to guest parts. And basically what they're saying now

879
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: is it just swung too far in the other direction.

880
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there could be progress. I mean

881
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: I think that people being more sensitive to m just

882
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: here's the thing. The reason I like Blackish is not

883
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: because I believe that everything is cotton, candy and cupcakes.

884
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: It's because Blackish allows black people to be human. We're

885
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: very diverse. Heterogeneous people. You know, some of us are nerdy,

886
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: some of us, you know, some of us are scandalous

887
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I just like to see stuff that

888
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: where where you're being black is not the first thing

889
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: that people will understand about your character. Right. In fact,

890
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: when when I went to South Africa this week or

891
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, I love the fact that that

892
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: people didn't care that I was black because everybody was black.

893
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: You know, at that point people want to know more

894
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: about who you are as a person. But sometimes in America,

895
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the first thing people know is I'm a black guy

896
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: and they and it comes with all this baggage and

897
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: all these expectations and stereotypes, and I think that's a

898
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: heavy burden for all of us to carry. I mean,

899
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: that's like that in the media too, because like I'm

900
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: the type of person if I see a situation happening

901
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: between a police officer and a young black male, I

902
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: don't think this is a white police officer black male. First.

903
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: The first thing I think is what happened? Absolute scenario first,

904
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, I just jump to it, Oh he was

905
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: why he was? Absolutely? I mean that's that's what we

906
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: would call critical thinking, which we have to do. I mean,

907
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: and it's really important because we got so many cases

908
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: that are being revealed now of black people being shot

909
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: by the police, and I think the biggest mistake we

910
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: can make is assumed, is assuming that every white cop

911
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: just wakes up with a bloodthirst and wants to kill

912
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: black man who wants. I don't want that kind of fit.

913
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: I found myself paranoid and scared, like WHOA, Yeah, no,

914
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: profiling does. Absolutely, it's very very real. And I would say,

915
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: I would say envy can say, I'll be with your dad.

916
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I assume you knew some cops that worked with your

917
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: dad on the force. Um. I know from my experience,

918
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I saw the good and the bad. I mean, I've

919
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: seen cops that that just were good people that wanted

920
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: to help and think about it. I mean, a good cop,

921
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, has a really tough job because you have

922
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: to care about problems that are not yours. You. You know,

923
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're helping people get a cat

924
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: out of a tree or help you know it just

925
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: help somebody find directions of you know, just little things

926
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: that that a lot of us don't really want to do.

927
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: And then you're putting yourself in harm's way. But then

928
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: you've got those cops who do abuse their authority. There

929
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: are many reasons to be afraid of cops. We live

930
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: in a society where people assume that cops are innocent

931
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and that if you are the quote unquote criminal, that

932
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: somehow the cops should get the benefit of the doubt

933
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: about what happened, right. And what also makes it difficult

934
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: is when you had bad experiences with cops, that makes

935
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: you not trust cops period, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean

936
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I think good cops should be taking the lead in

937
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: terms of helping weed out bad cops, you know, because

938
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: because it hurts it hurts all of them. I mean,

939
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, because we need good cops in the world,

940
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: in our community. I don't think anybody want to live

941
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: in a world without police officers. That's because I don'tee

942
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: a black cop and be like he's good, and see

943
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: a white cop and be like he bad. I just

944
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: see cops period and be like I'm staying with yeah, yeah, yeah,

945
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean you know that that blue wall of silence

946
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: is real. Cops are are, you know, threatened in many

947
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: any way, sometimes threatening even with death for speaking up um,

948
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's it's the system that it really

949
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: is the culprit there, so because you're just as likely

950
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: to be abused by a black cop as by a

951
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: white cop in many cases up So that's what we

952
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: kind of have to deal with and not get so

953
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: caught up in the black and white and not caught

954
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: up in this idea that that that that every Rick

955
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: cop who shoots a black man somehow is a bad,

956
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: evil person. I don't think cops just get up wanting

957
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: to kill people every day. That's just my theory. But

958
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: it's also media though too, because you know, I look

959
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: at my son, you know, and we live in a

960
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: nice area in Jersey, So what he sees is what's

961
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: on TV. So when you when you look on Channel

962
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: twelve with Channel one or the news channel, all you

963
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: see is young African American on TV doing bad. They

964
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: never show positivity, never show positive. They'll say, eight people

965
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: shot in Newark, this is what the suspect looks like.

966
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Eight people shot in Patterson, two people shot in the Bronx,

967
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: two people shot in Brooklyn. So my son starts to

968
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: see African Americans as bad, but you gotta show them different.

969
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: Right now. I've never been the type to put that

970
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: much casche into the media entertainer. But my mother and dad.

971
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there that don't have

972
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: parents raising them, and they all raised from media and

973
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: raised from music. There's a lot of kids out there

974
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: like that makes it difficult, that's what. And it's very dangerous.

975
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, what we what we

976
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: still I think have not quite figured out, is that

977
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: the mass and cars ration epidemic that started in the

978
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: seventies has obliterated the black family. This whole seventy two

979
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: percent of black children being born without a father in

980
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: the house. That didn't really start until so many fathers

981
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: were being sent to prison in marginalized. I'll give you

982
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: one example. There's a guy no Chicago, Mario Lloyd, sold

983
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: some cocaine. Never killed anybody, at least, you know, he

984
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: wasn't convicted for anything killed somebody if he sold cocaine.

985
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: There you go, Well, maybe a woman that overdosedbody could

986
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: have killed somebody for that cold. We gotta stop saying that, Yes, okay, okay,

987
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: fair enough, he sold he sold cocaine. Uh. People were

988
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: hurt by this, right absolutely. But here's the interesting thing.

989
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: When they when the fans, uh took him away. Uh,

990
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: they locked him. They gave him fifteen life sentences for

991
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: for non violent first time offense. They locked up his mother,

992
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: They locked up his sister, and they locked up his brother.

993
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: So the question is when you right, excuse there you go.

994
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: So when you lock up an entire family, what happens

995
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: to those kids? I mean, twenty years later, Mario's son

996
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: gets murdered in the same neighborhood that his father used

997
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: to deal drugs in. You need those all models there.

998
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: You You can't think a community is gonna prosper when

999
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: you're killing off all the men. If you know nothing,

1000
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: that is what happened. If you would have never sold

1001
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: code And I mean I used to sell it though,

1002
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: but it's just that simple. Yeah, but but but but right,

1003
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree breaking the law is wrong, we

1004
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: all we all agree on that. But the punishment has

1005
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: to fit the crime. I mean, fifteen life sentences. I

1006
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: don't understand that. You know, another brother, Joel Pageon got

1007
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: forty years for possessing a grandma crack. I mean, come

1008
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: on now, and if you really want to see, if

1009
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: you really want to see people breaking the law, if

1010
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: you really want to see people possessing drugs go to

1011
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: a college campus on the weekend. But I guarantee you

1012
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: they will never raigin a college campus the way they'll

1013
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: go up in the hood and lock everybody up. And

1014
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: not only that, you said people shouldn't sell drugs, And

1015
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be a tough statement, but

1016
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: I understand that at times like like you said, you

1017
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: just named a young man, I got to take care

1018
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: of his his grandmother, his mother, and his brother. He's

1019
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: the man of the house. And you say, get a job.

1020
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: But McDonald's making nine dollars. Now it's not going to pay. That.

1021
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Part of what makes that hard community that the environment.

1022
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: If everybody around you is doing something and that's how

1023
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you were raised, and that's what everybody's doing. Sometimes it's

1024
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: hard because well I don't understand. I don't understand it

1025
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: because I've seen the outcome. The outcome is jail, a

1026
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: death right. That's it, right, that's it. So that's why

1027
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand if sandity is doing the same thing

1028
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: over and over expected to the results. But I know

1029
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: people who have said, listen, I grew up in a

1030
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: terrible neighborhood. That's what everybody's doing. That's what every all

1031
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: my role models were doing that everybody around me. That

1032
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: just seem normal. And so that's what makes it, I

1033
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: think difficult sometimes for people. And then you give him

1034
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: fifteen consecutive life sentences and he never has a chance

1035
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: to do something else or experience something else to get

1036
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: a second chance. But there's always Jamal that didn't get

1037
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: the life sentences that made the money, Charlomagne. There's the

1038
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: Charlomagne that I don't think people getting the type opportunities

1039
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: nor more, you know. And and here's another interesting thing.

1040
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know when you talk about that scenario

1041
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: working at McDonald's, um, I live on the South side

1042
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: of Chicago, and a lot of those kids just cannot

1043
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: find jobs anywhere. Um. In fact, there are some neighborhoods

1044
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: where a black youth or black man especially has an

1045
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: easier time getting a gun than he has of getting

1046
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: an education or getting a decent job, you know. So

1047
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I think that is part of part of the issue

1048
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: as well. And then I think a fundamental question to

1049
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: really ask is we know teenagers are fun are just

1050
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: pretty stupid a lot of times, you know, not not

1051
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: dumb in terms of but a lot of us did

1052
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: dumb stuff when we but antisocial stuff. Right. So the

1053
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: question to me is, you know, what's the cost of

1054
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: making a mistake? Right? Uh? You know, why is it

1055
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: that for some people in our society, like you look

1056
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: at somebody like a George Bush. That's why I was

1057
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: talking about what I actually wrote, because what if George

1058
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Bush were a black man? Because I literally said, I said,

1059
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: thank you, brother, I appreciate that. I said, So, you

1060
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: know what would have happened if George Bush were a

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00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: poor black kid in Cabrini Green Projects in Chicago and

1062
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: made the same mistakes he made the right exactly, he

1063
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: was still be there, he'd be dead, or he'd be

1064
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: in president. He certainly would never have had a chance

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00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: to become president and make up for his mistakes. Right.

1066
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: So so I think that for some for some of us,

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00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: actually become president and make more mistakes. But ahead, well

1068
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: there you go. Well yeah, I mean like, well, he's

1069
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: a war criminal. I mean we know that, right and

1070
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: and and so you know, to me, I think that

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00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: we have to really question why we have a society

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00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: where for certain people, one mistake the age of seventeen

1073
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Speaker 1: or eighteen can destroy you. For life. You know, my

1074
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: my my old my older brother figure. He was really

1075
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: my uncle's like my older brother. You know. I remember

1076
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: when he went to prison at seventeen. And I don't

1077
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: know what happened when he was in prison, but I

1078
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: know bad things can occur, and and all I know

1079
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: is that when he came out he just wasn't right mentally.

1080
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: You know, he only did two years. But prison is

1081
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: such a nightmare. I mean, people are being tortured in prison.

1082
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: Think about I mean, you're rape getting raped, and we

1083
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: make jokes about that. That's not funny. Rape is not funny.

1084
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: It's not right. You know, it's okay, it's okay, is

1085
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: a little funny something. No, No, that's a nightmare, right,

1086
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a nightmare. It's torture. It's a human

1087
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: rights abuse. And so if we put people through that

1088
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: and then we think, oh, somehow you're gonna come out

1089
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: and be rehabilitated, we know that's not gonna happen, and

1090
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: your marginalized for life, you can't get a job. I mean, really,

1091
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: the truth here is that we live in a country

1092
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: now where where incarceration has become profitable. So I think

1093
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: now we have a country where people don't really want

1094
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: you to get away from the stock market, the market,

1095
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: the private prisons exactly exactly come up. Pay off man.

1096
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: I glad play one more Dame played a saving money

1097
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: clip because you know, doctor doctor boys Watkins is a

1098
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: jack of all trades, but he's really good at finance

1099
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: on it and nine to fives aren't good because you

1100
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: look you hustling fourth weekend. You never worked your way

1101
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: up to a position. You didn't. I never had a job,

1102
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: but you didn't jump out the t I flipped from

1103
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: the w yes from the womb. I was damned das

1104
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: the day I was born. But you didn't have everything

1105
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: that you have now from the wound. The way I

1106
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: got it was not by a job. I got it

1107
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: by putting up my own money. Like one day I

1108
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of money, and then the next day

1109
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't you know why, because I put it all

1110
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: in the street. You keep saying, you know you just started.

1111
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: You didn't, No, dog, I've always flipped. I don't put

1112
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: up money saving moneys for suckers. To me, I have

1113
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: so much confidence in me that I flipped, And twenty

1114
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: years later, I'm still a boss, and you still got

1115
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: a job. I would love to close on this. Um.

1116
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I think that the goal of being a boss is

1117
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: a good objective to have. I don't think everybody has

1118
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: to be Dame Dash. Um. You know, there are many

1119
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: people who are bosses who have philosophies that might differ

1120
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: from Dame. Um. I like the way he just he

1121
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: awakened the Sleeping Dragon with with just bold commentary. I mean,

1122
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Dame Dash is dam Dash. He's always going to be

1123
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: that person, um. You know, but there's no jay Z

1124
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: without Dame Dash. We know that that type of thing, um,

1125
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: and I give him. We have to give him credit

1126
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: for that, right. His his desire to take risk uh

1127
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: sometimes has led to tremendous fortune and sometimes him misfortune.

1128
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: But remember, you know, you can't dis Dame's commentary per

1129
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: se just because he's not always doing as well as

1130
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: he might have hoped. Because remember Donald Trump declared bankruptcy

1131
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: four times, right right, so so souckers right now, the

1132
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: idea of saving money being for suckers. Um, No, I

1133
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: mean come on that that that you can't say that,

1134
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: But I would say that that simply saving money doesn't

1135
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: make sense. I think saving the right saving and investing

1136
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: is really the best approach, right. So the idea at

1137
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day is find ways to keep

1138
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: your money in your pocket and put it into things

1139
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: that are going to empower you. Eventually, your money has

1140
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: to start working for you and everybody can do it.

1141
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Get out of what I would call the slave mentality.

1142
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: And slave mentality to me is when when you will

1143
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: go work ten twelve hours a day because somebody told

1144
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: you to come to work and they're gonna give you

1145
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: a minimum wage paycheck. But when it comes to working

1146
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: half of that time to achieve goals for yourself, whether

1147
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: to be educationally or entrepreneurially or whatever, you can't put

1148
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: it in the time. You ain't got time. You wanta

1149
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: go get turned up, you want to watch basketball, wives

1150
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that doesn't make sense to me. Why

1151
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: why would you spend more time building somebody else's dream

1152
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: and no time building your own. That makes no sense

1153
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: to me. Always tell interns, interns, be like, well, how

1154
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: do I have time to go to school and have

1155
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: a job and do an internship? It's not one hundred

1156
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: and sixty eight hours in a week time? And what

1157
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: you want to invest time? It's right period, There you

1158
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: go there. Do you have it? Doctor boys Watkins. We

1159
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate the invitation in New York because,

1160
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: I mean, financial literacy is something that I think more

1161
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: of us need, especially after what I've heard the past

1162
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I have absolutely the dumbest financial tips

1163
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: from people. I'm like, y'all have no clue what y'all

1164
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: talking about. Well, well, I respect you guys, and Charlotage,

1165
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: I've always respected you, back back when we just stuffed

1166
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: with Wendy show Man. You you always, Charlomagne always respected

1167
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: me even when nobody else did. And that's why I

1168
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: loved this brother. Thank you, Thank you brother. Alrighty, it's

1169
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, Doctor Boys Watkins