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Speaker 2: Touchdown Trey McBride. Heck of a play by the all

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Speaker 2: world tight end Tray McBride. Oh that was nasty right there,

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Speaker 2: right slam on the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: All right. So the Wall Street Journal every year this

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Speaker 3: time of year loves to cite these workplace studies the

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Speaker 3: loss in productivity due to a certain college basketball tournament.

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Speaker 3: This year's estimate twelve billion dollars plus loss to American

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Speaker 3: employers due to a slide in productivity.

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Speaker 4: I think at this point, Paul, don't we have to

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Speaker 4: say that's that's people just doing wrote March things that

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Speaker 4: they always do because I don't know if the tournament

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Speaker 4: is as good as it used to be, so now

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Speaker 4: they're just doing it because they're used to doing it.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six percent of said respondents are expected to call

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Speaker 3: off work just to watch games and or spend about

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Speaker 3: in college basketball history.

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Speaker 4: I do have a somewhat parallel anecdote to say about

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Speaker 4: this when it comes to getting in March badness kind

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Speaker 4: of thought process. So the athletic there's a word a

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Speaker 4: word puzzle for The New York Times, and I'm forgetting

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Speaker 4: what it's called, but I do it almost every day.

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Speaker 4: But the Athletic has a version that's sports connections. Connections,

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Speaker 4: That's what it was, and the sports one is usually

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Speaker 4: a little bit easier for multiple reasons. I like to

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Speaker 4: do it in the evening before I go to bed.

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Speaker 4: I know Zach likes to do it while he's on

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Speaker 4: the clock here I've noticed a few times.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm not in that percentage of people that are

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not drawing a connection between

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Speaker 3: the absence of Danny sirek.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there you go, and I forgot about.

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Speaker 2: That and she's on assign Well, then let's not talk

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Speaker 2: about how I'm off on Thursday and Friday this week.

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Speaker 4: That's true, but you're taking PTO, so that's true. But anyways,

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Speaker 4: back to my quick anecdote here, I'm I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: these the last Night's clues, and it was there was

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to connect blah blah blah blah. And I

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Speaker 4: get to the end and I did solve it before

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Speaker 4: I made all the mistakes. But usually I get through

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Speaker 4: the sports one without any mistakes, and this one I

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Speaker 4: had three. And I realized that the last binder of

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Speaker 4: the four words was Cardinals, and that's what Arizona was

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Speaker 4: for for Arizona Cardinals, and had Louisville Cardinals and ball

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Speaker 4: steak call. I'm like, and it never even occurred to

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Speaker 4: me that that could be a possibility because I was

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Speaker 4: so far down the March madness kind of thought process.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say I got it on my

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Speaker 2: first try, but I got on my first try so sorry, Derek.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll light the lamp and on or a Zach.

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Speaker 3: Here we go finally in the birdhead. Not Darren.

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Speaker 4: One more quick March Madness Cardinals connection which I didn't

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Speaker 4: realize at the time when I was watching live. The

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Speaker 4: Dylan Darling or yeah, Dylan Darling, son of James Darling,

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Speaker 3: You remember, I was going to say Ron Darling in

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Speaker 4: Close James Darling, Cardinals linebacker back in the Denny Green days.

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Speaker 2: Well there's another parallel as well. Arkansas has Carter Knocks

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Speaker 2: see if he's gonna be healthy enough. His father, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Knox Senior, played for the Cardinals in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember that name.

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Speaker 3: Well, that didn't go in the direction I had hoped.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be totally honest. You're off the top of

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Speaker 3: in the words of Darren moments ago, back to me

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Speaker 3: responsible for more loss productivity in the Cardinals offices. March

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Speaker 3: Madness or these draft simulators that I see everyone on.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's fair, but see that it's so funny. Once

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Speaker 4: upon a time when I was growing up, my mom

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Speaker 4: to watch that. And she's like, Darren's always allowed to

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Speaker 4: watch sports. She's like, that's gonna be his job. Isn't

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Speaker 4: that kind of like the mock draft thing?

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Speaker 3: Your mom spoke that into existence really well.

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Speaker 4: At that point, I was in high school and I

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Speaker 2: But Paul, isn't this the exact point we're talking about

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Speaker 2: March Madness and how it ties to the Cardinals. These

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Speaker 2: mock draft simulators tied to the Cardinals. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this is still work.

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Speaker 3: It's true. You can justify it. You're right as getting

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Speaker 3: you ready for their draft. That is now thirty days

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Speaker 3: away and counting. I know that because of Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 3: the Burg and all that, and they've moved classes out

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Speaker 3: It's such a big deal. And here we keep getting

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Speaker 3: all these mock drafts and then you know what else

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Speaker 3: we're getting And we should have seen this coming, but

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Speaker 3: it happened seemingly every year. The late rising quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: boy right, I mean that's what this week so far

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Speaker 3: really has been signified by. Is this whole emerging Dan

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Speaker 3: Rolowski of Ty Simpson moving up the board. Not unlike

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Speaker 3: ten twelve years, Blake Bortles. There's always this late rising quarterback.

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Speaker 4: McCarthy, I mean, yes, there's always a late Is there

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Speaker 4: somebody late rising or is it just like everybody realizes

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Speaker 4: we get close. It doesn't matter what the tape said.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna need.

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Speaker 3: A quarterback in the late Only late rising quarterback. I

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Speaker 3: Would be Josh Allen, who was taking number seven overall

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Speaker 3: once upon a time, and that's the only one. But

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Speaker 3: here we are, and Ty Simpson here he comes, and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's middle around one, and now

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Speaker 3: maybe it might even be a little bit higher. And

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Speaker 3: there's at least three teams that are connected to Ty Simpson,

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Speaker 3: and the Arizona Cardinals are one of them. Zach Gershman,

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Speaker 3: are you buying it?

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Speaker 2: I I'm buying it towards the back end of the

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Speaker 2: first round, if the Cardinals wanted to trade back into

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Speaker 2: the first. But I'm not buying the hype for him

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Speaker 2: being you know, dani Roski's talking about how he could

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Speaker 2: be better than Fernando Mendoza that I'm not totally buying yet.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that it's saying too much right now,

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Speaker 2: because I know Danie Rolowski when he was on the

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Speaker 2: Pat McAfee show, was talking about how he watched the

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Speaker 2: tape of their first eight games between Fernando and ty Simpson.

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Speaker 2: But sure, but I look at the collective and for

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Speaker 2: that reason, I'm not buying ty Simpson being a high

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Speaker 2: first round pick, but a low first round pick, I'm

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Speaker 4: So you just said you said you're not buying it yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell could.

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Speaker 4: Happen between now and whenever you might buy it.

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Speaker 2: I listened to more of these mock drafts that Paul's

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Speaker 2: talking about, and you start to see it a little

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Speaker 2: bit more, and you start to think, like, Okay, some

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Speaker 2: of these experts have the ear of some of these drafts,

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Speaker 2: I think it also depends as free agency continues to

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Speaker 2: roll along, what some of the team's investments are in.

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Speaker 2: And now we're talking about the Cardinals specifically in the

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Speaker 2: first round train for Ty Simpson, then I'm not necessarily

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Speaker 2: buying it unless it's at the late twenties. I know

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Speaker 2: Field Yates today had a mock draft go out where

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Speaker 2: he did a trade with the Buffalo Bills for the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals to go back into the first round. That I

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Speaker 2: could buy. But if we're talking about the Cardinals being

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Speaker 2: like nine or ten, then I'm not buying.

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Speaker 3: So you say Field Yates and I think to myself, dang,

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Speaker 3: I forgot my oven Mitt right now, Because Field Yates

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Speaker 3: was the guy at the Combine, who to Old Danny

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Speaker 3: quarterback at number three overall, which has been the absolute

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Speaker 3: hottest of all hot takes so far. But he was

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Speaker 3: talking about ty Simpson. That was a month ago and

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Speaker 3: we have a month to go until the draft. And

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Speaker 3: for what it's worth, Orlowsky going on the air and

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Speaker 3: basically did this ninety second ran and he said, among

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Speaker 3: other things, who took over more games? Ty Simpson or

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Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza who was asked to make more NFL throws?

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Speaker 3: He's talking about fifteen to twenty yard in routes, crossing routes,

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Speaker 3: deep corners, sale routes. He said, it was Tye Simpson,

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Speaker 3: not even close when you look at the film Moments

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Speaker 3: of Panic. Who was able to perform better? He said,

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Speaker 3: filled in with Wolf last week and our special guest

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Speaker 3: Dave Pash twenty five years almost as the voice of

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals, who has called a lot of Alabama games,

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Speaker 3: and he said, for everything that brock Purty has done

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Speaker 3: a lot of brock Party games, and he figured out

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Speaker 3: I'd be a serviceable NFL backup, he said Ty Simpson

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Speaker 3: as many comps as that are drawn because they have

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Speaker 3: almost the exact same measurables and almost the exact same

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Speaker 3: arm strength supposedly good enough but not great. That he

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Speaker 3: considers ty Simpson infinitely more talented and polished than brock Party,

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Speaker 3: just based on what he's seen in college. So it's intriguing.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely intriguing. For example, I'll just throw this out there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys get this in your

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Speaker 3: draft simulators. I've yet to do one this year. But

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Speaker 3: if Jeremiah Love Daniel Jeremiah three point zero, Speaking of

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love is now going number four to the Titans,

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Speaker 3: Tennessee is the betting favorite. Vegas says. Tennessee is gonna

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Speaker 3: take Jeremiah. If you want Jeremiah Love, you got to

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Speaker 3: get in front of Tennessee. Hello, Hello, Manti asin Fort.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the Cardinals make a deal get out a number

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Speaker 3: three the back half of the top ten. Does that

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Speaker 3: ever come up in these simulations that you guys.

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Speaker 4: Do, I mean trading, Sure, that's part of the fun

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Speaker 4: of those simulations I find I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Mike Tannenbaum followed up to danie

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Speaker 3: Lutski and said he's talked to other clubs and quote

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Speaker 3: this opinion is shared by other teams as well. End

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Speaker 3: quote on ty Simpson.

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Speaker 4: See here's the thing, here's the thing that always makes

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Speaker 4: me hesitate on this stuff. First of all, do I

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Speaker 4: think other teams might feel like ty Simpson is good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: But if they're not going to draft the quarterback, who cares?

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Speaker 4: I just I am a believer in the idea that

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Speaker 3: And he has fifteen starts?

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Speaker 4: Hate it? I would. I would hate that, unless unless

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Speaker 3: So would you rather go Carson Beck in round three?

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Speaker 4: Well, make I don't. I don't want to get this

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Speaker 3: Like I just and the guy taking after him. Bo

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Speaker 4: I guess for me, I'm just I'm really I need

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Speaker 2: I think both of those guys have been in the

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Speaker 4: Again, I will push back on the rising part of it.

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Speaker 4: You're just you're making sure that you ended up getting

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Speaker 3: Right, last time I checked, dreaming is still free, right,

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Speaker 4: When we get closer to this, I'm sure I will

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Speaker 2: Where I look at this, is you need a game

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Speaker 3: I like that, Darren knows, I like that. I know

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Speaker 2: At three, I was surprised that he said that the

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Speaker 4: gotten to a second contract with their drafting team.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

436
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Speaker 3: Wow, Well, you know I don't play favorites. I mean,

437
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Speaker 3: there's no need to actually name names. If somebody wants

438
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Speaker 3: to come in front of Tennessee at number four, then

439
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Speaker 3: you know, for whatever, whatever player that you're targeting, that's

440
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Speaker 3: perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden, boom, Cardinals

441
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Speaker 3: go down to seven, eight or nine, for example, and

442
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Speaker 3: let's just say they get a Reuben Bain junior at

443
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Speaker 3: number eight. Guess what, that would be a pretty good

444
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Speaker 3: fit in Nick Rowlis's defense, where he loves the positional flexibility,

445
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Speaker 3: where even like a Zaven Collins can play a three

446
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Speaker 3: technique or five technique on certain third down. I can

447
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: see Rubmen being junior next to Walter Nolan, the Disruptive

448
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 3: Brothers some sort of nickname along that line, right, and

449
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Speaker 3: then already thinking.

450
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Speaker 4: You know he's always thinking, come on now, every week, Zacht.

451
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Speaker 3: I do this guy though, I just discovered this about

452
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Speaker 3: this this Bama offensive tackle six seven three fifty Cayden Proctor.

453
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Speaker 3: Do you realize he benched five thirty five and he

454
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Speaker 3: squats eight fifteen?

455
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Speaker 2: It's a little more than me.

456
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Speaker 4: You like to call that country strength holy cow.

457
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Speaker 3: So yeah, there's that strong baby, which made me totally

458
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Speaker 3: lose my train of thought as to where I was

459
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Speaker 3: going at.

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Speaker 4: Catch up real quick, is Zach, I'm curious. So every

461
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Speaker 4: week you you watch us on Cardinals Underground eat fifteen,

462
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Speaker 4: you eat, you eat dinner and then watch our video

463
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Speaker 4: right point?

464
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Speaker 2: So are you asking what am I going to be

465
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Speaker 2: doing for dinner now? Because that's what are you going

466
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Speaker 2: to rewatch this video? Probably not?

467
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Speaker 4: Okay?

468
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe I like to self evaluate, So I

469
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Speaker 2: like to see how I how I did?

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Speaker 4: Your dad can self evaluate?

471
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Speaker 2: I trust me. My dad's got probably got a head start,

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Speaker 2: all right.

473
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Speaker 3: You get some some free advice, you get coached up

474
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Speaker 3: by the old man.

475
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Speaker 4: Really more than a lot of levels there.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say there's a reason why this face was

477
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Speaker 2: shaved just a few days ago.

478
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Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting does it make him look younger? Older?

479
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Speaker 4: The Personally, I'm I think Zach should be rocking the beard.

480
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Speaker 4: I think he looks a little too young without it.

481
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Speaker 2: But you know, but the thing is, I look too young.

482
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Speaker 3: Here.

483
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Speaker 2: We are talking about draft prospects that are younger than me,

484
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Speaker 2: and they walk into the rear and they look five

485
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Speaker 2: years older than me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's what I was going to go with this.

487
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Speaker 3: NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 4: I tried.

489
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Speaker 2: I tried swinging it back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, earlier today did one through thirty two every single team,

491
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Speaker 3: and they ranked their needs in the draft Cardinals as

492
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Speaker 3: ordered NFL dot Com QB one, O line two, edge three,

493
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Speaker 3: Zach and I I think we put edge ahead of

494
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Speaker 3: O line. Now, Zach, I might have you go talk

495
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Speaker 3: to our own Ron Wolfley here, because he's all over

496
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Speaker 3: right tackle, right tackle, right tackle, and overall. So okay,

497
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Speaker 3: that's great, but again, if you can find that game changer,

498
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Speaker 3: who's gonna get to the quarterback? And the stat they cited,

499
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Speaker 3: which I didn't quite realize, was that over the last

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Speaker 3: six games of the Cardinals season as a defense, they

501
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Speaker 3: had eight sacks, and we do know Josh Sweatt got

502
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Speaker 3: a lot of attention the second half of last season,

503
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Speaker 3: and so with that that alone, finding a viable option

504
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Speaker 3: to keep an offensive front honest and from devoting so

505
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Speaker 3: much attention to Josh Sweat. He did that sit down

506
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Speaker 3: interview with Danny Sirek in December. He said he was

507
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: quote getting chipped into oblivion. So you got to make

508
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Speaker 3: good quote an offense pay for that, and he was hurt,

509
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Speaker 3: and he was hurt towards the back end of the season.

510
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Speaker 3: Was and I think that that's something you need to

511
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Speaker 3: know that you have other players that you could plug

512
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Speaker 3: into that number one edge rusher role. And because of

513
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Speaker 3: the versatility guys like Xavin Collins and Baron Brownie and

514
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Speaker 3: the way that you utilize them, it was great. It

515
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Speaker 3: kept defense, It kept opposing offenses having to think a

516
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Speaker 3: little bit more. But at the end of the day,

517
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Speaker 3: the number one thing you want is.

518
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Speaker 2: To have your right tackle your left tackle having to

519
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Speaker 2: think about who they have to block every single time.

520
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Speaker 2: Because when you watch the Cardinals defense, obviously you circle

521
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Speaker 2: where number three is, You look at Buddha Baker, and

522
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Speaker 2: then who's going to be coming after the quarterback and

523
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Speaker 2: when Josh Sweat was not playing at one hundred percent

524
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Speaker 2: and they were already chipping him. You need to rely

525
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Speaker 2: on somebody that's going to be on the opposite side

526
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Speaker 2: that's going to be able to generate that havoc.

527
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Speaker 3: So this whole concept of you need to fill holes

528
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Speaker 3: going into the draft because A you don't know what's

529
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Speaker 3: going to happen during the draft, and B you don't

530
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Speaker 3: want it to be a tell going into the draft

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Speaker 3: that you're waiting to snag a certain position and or player.

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Speaker 3: I'd say the Cardinals has done a pretty good job

533
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Speaker 3: of plugging the needs.

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Speaker 4: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: So now you under the draft, and it's more a

536
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Speaker 3: case of wants because you do have a viable right

537
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Speaker 3: tackle Elijah Wilkinson, for example, who started all seventeen games

538
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Speaker 3: last year. You have a couple of candidates either within

539
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Speaker 3: or free agent signings that could compete at right guard.

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Speaker 3: You obviously sign your starting left guard, Isaac Samalo. So

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Speaker 3: I mean right, I mean when you look at this

542
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Speaker 3: other than even quarterback, at least for twenty twenty six,

543
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Speaker 3: you have an experienced combo. There's nothing here that screams

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Speaker 3: all Cardinals are going to select this in the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 4: No, and you know you can. Usually you know, after

546
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Speaker 4: the first maybe the second round, it starts to veer

547
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Speaker 4: into a little bit of like, okay, that that position

548
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Speaker 4: makes a little more sense. Now, clearly there's been there's

549
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Speaker 4: always times when we get to the third day where

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Speaker 4: it's like a pick is like oh okay. But again,

551
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Speaker 4: if you're looking at a guy when you're getting to

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Speaker 4: that round and you had a guy ranked as a

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Speaker 4: third round pick and he's sitting there in the field

554
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Speaker 4: round and it's not like you have pro bowlers at

555
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Speaker 4: that position up and down, why wouldn't you take them

556
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Speaker 4: even if you don't necessarily need them right now? There's

557
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Speaker 4: nothing wrong with improving what you have. So I am

558
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Speaker 4: gonna be curious. But I do think, going back to

559
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Speaker 4: what you said, Paul, like filling those holes, like I think,

560
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Speaker 4: if they don't take position X at third overall, especially

561
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Speaker 4: like you have the flexibility to go after who you

562
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Speaker 4: think is the best player, and that's what you should do.

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Speaker 3: If the Rams hadn't done the trade for Trent McDuffie

564
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Speaker 3: and then sign the other corner from Kansas City was

565
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Speaker 3: a Jalen Watson that I mean, the Rams screaming need

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Speaker 3: in the draft would have been cornerback, and there's no

567
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Speaker 3: doubt another team that wanted desired cornerback would have traded

568
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Speaker 3: in front of them. For example, the Niners going in

569
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Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Mike Evans and now Christian kirk

570
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Speaker 3: I mean, they would have gone in needing a wide

571
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Speaker 3: receiver badly.

572
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Speaker 4: And they probably still do need a wide receiver, they

573
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Speaker 4: just don't necessarily have to take one necessarily in the first.

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Speaker 2: Round and it doesn't necessarily need to be the biggest

575
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Speaker 2: game changer come Week one.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I joked on Red Sea Report, does

577
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Speaker 3: the Niners wide receiver room come with its own specific

578
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 3: trainer to that room? Because when you look at the

579
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Speaker 3: injury history of their top three receivers, Christian Kirks missed

580
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Speaker 3: like eighteen games the last three years.

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Speaker 4: And Mike Evan's been beat up a little bit, and

582
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Speaker 4: we know about Ricky Piersoll even beyond the gunshot. Yeah,

583
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Speaker 4: but you know, I know the NFL in a lot

584
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Speaker 4: of ways is the year to year. But I mean, again,

585
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Speaker 4: if you find somebody at a position where let's say,

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Speaker 4: and I don't mean to go here because I don't

587
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Speaker 4: think they're taking Love at three. But I forget the

588
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: other kid's name from Notre Dame, the second best running back.

589
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Speaker 4: A lot of people think he's the second best running back.

590
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Speaker 4: Love's running back mate from Notre.

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Speaker 3: Dame, and a lot of Madras, by the way, have

592
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Speaker 3: him going to Seattle to replace Kenneth Wall and that's

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Speaker 3: very possible.

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Speaker 4: But if he's sitting there still for whatever reason, which

595
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Speaker 4: I don't think he will be, if he's sitting there

596
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Speaker 4: at the top of the third round, maybe you think

597
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Speaker 4: about doing it. You don't know how much James Conor

598
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: has left. We don't know exactly where Trey Benson is like,

599
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: you're looking to make yourself and God, if anybody knows

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Speaker 4: about needing depth in the running back room, it's this team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you were down to your fifth and six

602
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 3: running backs literally last year. You have a team that

603
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Speaker 3: had the fewest rushing attempts in the NFL a year

604
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Speaker 3: ago for a variety of reasons. Running back depth was

605
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Speaker 3: one of them. Whole line thirteen different offensive linemen, used

606
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Speaker 3: eight different starting offensive line combinations, and then the second

607
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Speaker 3: half of last year you got behind in a lot

608
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Speaker 3: of games and boom. Guess what you had to go

609
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Speaker 3: to the air.

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Speaker 2: And when you have a running back that could keep

611
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Speaker 2: defenses on their heels a little bit, it's exciting. It's

612
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 2: exciting to an offense you start to think about. I

613
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: know a lot of people are excited about what Jeremiah

614
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Love could be in the NFL because they see what

615
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Speaker 2: Jean Robinson could look like and how they're able to,

616
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Speaker 2: you know, transform an offense. But those type of players

617
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Speaker 2: are still available in the second round, third round, you know.

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Speaker 2: And Darren's gonna call me out here on my Penn

619
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Speaker 2: State bias, but you look at guys like k Tron Allen.

620
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Speaker 2: He's a home run hitter, physical runner, rush for over

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Speaker 2: a thousand yards, is the all time leading rusher at

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Speaker 2: Penn State. Not saying that, Darren because I went there,

623
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Speaker 2: but because I do a lot of these mock draft

624
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Speaker 2: simulators and he's available in the fourth round.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this about Jon Robinson is a fantastic player.

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Speaker 4: The Falcons haven't done anything since he's been there. I mean,

627
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Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to downplay what Jeremiah Love can be,

628
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Speaker 4: but like again, I come from the mindset of like

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Speaker 4: Zach said maybe not Penn State guys, but in general,

630
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Speaker 4: you can find running backs wherever. So like I shouldn't

631
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Speaker 4: say wherever, And I'm not saying Jeremiah Love won't be great,

632
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Speaker 4: and I'm not saying like Derrick Henry isn't a difference maker.

633
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Speaker 4: But where this team is and for how I would

634
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Speaker 4: want to build it, I just don't see that.

635
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Speaker 3: Look, if there's one tell so far based on the

636
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Speaker 3: free agent acquisitions, at least we think we know, is

637
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Speaker 3: that a the Cardinals want to run the ball. They

638
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: want to be a balanced offense, and if they're going

639
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: to beat you, they're going to beat you up. Based

640
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: on the acquisition to Tyler al Jeer, Isaac Saamalo, Jack Gibbons,

641
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: Andrew Winger, these guys are all known for a physical

642
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: brand of ball. And does it not make sense when

643
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Speaker 3: NFL dot Com comes out with their power rankings last

644
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Speaker 3: week after free agency, because of course they have to.

645
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Speaker 3: They can't help themselves to come out with power rankings

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Speaker 3: in March, and three of the top five are all

647
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Speaker 3: in the NFC West. So if you want to compete

648
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: against three of the elite teams in the NFL, you

649
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: first better figure out how to match up physically and

650
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Speaker 3: then if all of a sudden we are joking, Zach,

651
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: the last thing I really want is another analytic. But

652
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Speaker 3: somebody needs to track in the fourth quarter how many

653
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: DB's turned down tackles by Tyler al Jeer and James

654
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: Connor about to put the punch in the one two punch,

655
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if the Cardinals can run this offense

656
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: as the envision. I'm fully expecting it to be a

657
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: power rushing offense that in the fourth quarter will put

658
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: the plow down, as Wolf likes to say, and just

659
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: start grading over this secondary if you can get to

660
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: the second level, Darren, maybe that's.

661
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Something we can reach out to True Media to try

662
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: to put in the polypicks in analytic of the dam

663
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: and have it be the amount of times that defensive

664
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: backside of.

665
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: That works for me.

666
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I think I think George called it turndown service, you know,

667
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: like an auluxury hotel turndown service. You know, DB's with

668
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: their turndown service in the fourth quarter when they're just

669
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: not willing to get off a block and actually engage

670
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: at James Connor.

671
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: But those are the type of teams that wins the game.

672
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: When they are in the fourth quarter, is who's going

673
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: to out physical the opponent? And the Cardinals saw that

674
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: tons and in a large part they struggle because of

675
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: just the injuries the depth that this team was facing with.

676
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: But when you we know back in twenty twenty three

677
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four that was the motto was about

678
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: just the physicality and trying to be more brutal than

679
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: the opponent. You have to hope that with Michael Floor

680
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: in the building that you have to restore that sense

681
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: of violence and physicality, especially in the trenches, which is

682
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: why I know Wolf wikes the offensive tackle spot, but

683
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: that's why we also like the defensive side of things.

684
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, where the Cardinals are right

685
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: now reminds me of twenty twenty three, the new head

686
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: coach revamping the roster. However, and I think this bode's

687
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: a lot better than twenty twenty three. I do think

688
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: this roster is infinitely more talented than in twenty twenty three.

689
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: When you look at both sides of the ball, I

690
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 3: just think inherently there is much more talent. So are

691
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: you going to be establishing the culture of new head coach? Yes?

692
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: Are you going to be trying to restore the physicality. Yes,

693
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: these were all big boxes you checked in twenty twenty three,

694
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: including the end of that season going on the road,

695
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: beating the Steelers, beating the Eagles, and then okay, that

696
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: was you know, you're launching point to get into twenty

697
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: twenty four and year two where everyone had a comfort

698
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: level with a brand new first time head coach. I

699
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: expect all that to be be in play, but I

700
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: do think that there are infinitely more playmakers. Look at

701
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: where Trey McBride is, Look what Michael Wilson is doing,

702
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: et cetera.

703
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: Where how would you compare where this If you remember

704
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: Ken Wizenhunt's first year, I mean you'd let go Danny

705
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: Green go because you were not good the year before,

706
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: but you had a fairly talented roster. I don't know

707
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: if this roster is at that level necessarily and clearly

708
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 4: when you had Kurt Warner sitting on the bench at

709
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: that point, which which nobody knew because he was on

710
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: the bench. Like Ken wizn' hunt first year, Matt Lioner

711
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: was the starter going into that year.

712
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: And you know what, within that, there's also the comparison

713
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: that probably your two best players on that team, Larry

714
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald and Kwan Bolden, Well, Trey McBride, Michael Wilson, and

715
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: then you know, Marvin Harrison Junior gets into that mix

716
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: and pushes things. So, yes, there are some parallels, no

717
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: doubt about that. The difference is that the division.

718
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: Is so well, That's that's the huge thing. You know,

719
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 4: the division. The division in two thousand and seven, two

720
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: thousand and eight was there for the taking for the Cardinals.

721
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: The rest of the teams were mid to bad. And

722
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: right now you can argue that the rest of the

723
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: teams in the NFC West are the three best in

724
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: the NFL.

725
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: In fact, you know for everything that the extra preseason

726
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: is going to be to showcase and celebrate Larry's career.

727
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: You know, I'm guessing Michae Lafleur is all about it.

728
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, give me that extra preseason game.

729
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: You know, MANI probably figuring a more game reps, the

730
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: better to figure out, all right, who exactly has upside?

731
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: Who's worthy in this team. We know a couple of

732
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: years ago, Marvin Harrison Junior among those young guys who

733
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: were meant to not getting more preseason reps and snaps

734
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: and games, so more games, more better if it will,

735
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: I'll be.

736
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: Very curious to see who ends up playing in the

737
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 4: Fame Game.

738
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: But there's also the practices to go along with it

739
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: and all the extra time on the field, and so

740
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: we'll see. You know, the question where exactly did it rank?

741
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: And did you guys cover this? Azcardinals dot com The

742
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: number change you did? This actually was above the fold, right,

743
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: this was Legiti news.

744
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mac put it out there. Mac Wilson put out

745
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: there that he's changing his jersey number from two to one,

746
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: which we knew he was going to be changing because

747
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: well Johnson had already put out there that he was

748
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 4: changing from zero to two. So obviously this is in

749
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 4: college anymore. You weren't gonna have two guys wearing two, so.

750
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: And it would it be possible on both guys on

751
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: defense too.

752
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 4: Also, that's a good point, there's Zach I try.

753
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: But I just keep going back to after all the

754
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: news came out about Kyler, Paul askame just openly into

755
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: the air, is anybody gonna wear one? And you just

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: saying yep.

757
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 4: I might have. I might have had heads up that

758
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: that was probably.

759
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Kind of Sie, but but it does go back to

760
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: like from from mac Wilson. I feel like it's very

761
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: on brand, and maybe it's because it is his brand.

762
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Like I know you guys were talking about it on

763
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: Cardinals cover two yesterday. Because I love being the center

764
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: of the discussion between you and no it would be

765
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: That's why I'm looking directly at.

766
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: Paul and Robert were talking about.

767
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: Of course I will still call him Craig because I

768
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: still sit next to him. But you got to talking

769
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: about how one of the things I tweeted out was

770
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: mac Wilson when he first came to Arizona. A lot

771
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: of guys come in with their own brands and their

772
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: own you know, their own style. I mean Will hern

773
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: And has had me whole things and gave out a

774
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 2: bunch of hats that said the brand on it. Mac

775
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Wilson was one of one and that was his That

776
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: was his shtick and he gave the the shirts out

777
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: to everybody, and it was because of the simple message

778
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: you got to be you. And in this case, the

779
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: one of one brand now is going to extend because

780
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: he's wearing number one and he already added number one

781
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: to his rocket ship logo. So he's ahead of it.

782
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: Is that Mac Wilson Senior Incorporated. Or does he like

783
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: have a personal branding team. Does he have a marketing

784
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: team behind him?

785
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: No, I'm pretty sure Mac just he comes up with

786
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: the stuff that works for him and he loves the stuff.

787
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 4: I remember him telling me last year. The rocket ship

788
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: thing was totally him and he was telling like his

789
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: brother and like other close friends how he wanted to

790
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: be called rocket ship and they're like, no, one's gonna

791
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: call you rocket ship. And then he's like, yeah, but

792
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: now I got I got a bunch of teammates calling

793
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 4: me that. So I went and told them, like, yeah,

794
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: they're calling me rocket ship.

795
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: And the reason why he picked the name rocket ship

796
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: is because he was looking for a cardinal's emoji on

797
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: his phone and couldn't find a cardinal's emoji, so he

798
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: thought the rocket ship looked closest to the birdhead.

799
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 4: I thought that was that's that's a great story.

800
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: So earlier Zach referred to we called him CSI Gershman

801
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: because he's you know, online sleuthing and finding all these

802
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: social media posts and you know, what does it mean?

803
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: And a lot of times they're putting out into the stratosphere.

804
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: You know what it's going to happen before is officially announced,

805
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: and so that's all good. What's better is to get

806
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: Zach on the record about whether the Cardinals should get

807
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: Mac Wilson senior running mate and inside linebacker. What says you.

808
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: I totally on board with that, and I think that's

809
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: potentially where depending on what you do at right tackle.

810
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm on board for edge at number three. That's where

811
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: my focus is at now. I'm not Manti Austin Fort

812
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: and I will not be turning into card So in

813
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: my opinion doesn't necessarily matter in this case, but for

814
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: the sake of this conversation, I would love an edge

815
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: at number three, And then when you start to get

816
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: to the second and third round, that's where the likes

817
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: of Jacob Rodriguez, Jake Golday from Cincinnati, those type of

818
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: players excite me. I do think that Jack Gibbons is

819
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: a great option. What you have right now. Another year

820
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: with Cody Simon in the system is also something that's

821
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: going to be really intriguing to see. But I do

822
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: think that Mac Wilson Senior does deserve another part and

823
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: are out there and somebody else that's going to be

824
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: able to slide in when he was injured. When he

825
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: was sidelined, this defense and this team overall took a

826
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: major hit. And that's the type of player that you know, Darren.

827
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: You were retweeting Simmy yesterday talking about locker room guys.

828
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: That's Mac Wilson.

829
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: To a t.

830
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was voted a team captain seemingly out of nowhere,

831
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: at least to the media, But in the locker room,

832
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: that was a slam dunk. Even a Kalaius Campbell, who

833
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: was brand new to the team, extole the virtues of

834
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: Mac Wilson Senior. And you know, and when you see

835
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: because he's back in the news with the number change

836
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: and some of the highlights are out there. When you

837
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: see him blow up CMC Christian McCaffrey week three in

838
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: the red zone, you see him with a diving interception

839
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. He just remembers some of the highlight reel

840
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: plays and just how good he was before he stinking

841
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: went down for the last nine games of the season.

842
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: Here's where I get resistant and blowback is let's say, oh,

843
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, you take a some styles and then

844
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: on a passing down a third, obvious, second, and obvious,

845
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: then boom mac Wilson Senior off the edge. You dial

846
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: him up because two years ago I thought he was

847
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: pretty dang effective at getting to the quarterback.

848
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: Oh, he will make sure that you knew that he

849
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: was pretty dang effective getting to the quarterback when he

850
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: was out there.

851
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't need his personal hype team. I mean that

852
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: was the eyeball test. I mean, he was a problem

853
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: for offensive lines. See, I can't get any buy in,

854
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: I can't get any attraction. I'm returning to that, but

855
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: that was the case because job description, you didn't have

856
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 3: as much talent and depth in the middle linebacker room

857
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: to allow mac Wilson Senior to fly off the edge.

858
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: Cody Simon was still learning the system and he talked

859
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: about that a ton and then a Keen Davis gate.

860
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: There were some coverage issues as he was as the

861
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: weeks were starting.

862
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: To go on.

863
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think back to that game against Indianapolis Colts.

864
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones was targeting a cheme from majority of the game,

865
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: especially those middle crossing routes with Tyler Warren and with

866
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman. So I think in a lot of ways,

867
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: you didn't have the ability to have Mac Wilson Senior

868
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: come off the edge. I do think if you get

869
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: that running partner like you're talking about, then yeah, you

870
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: do have that ability to bring it back out there.

871
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 4: The victory parade Paul is going to take if somehow

872
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: Sunny Styles is the third pick is going to be

873
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: next level.

874
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: Here's a question. I want you to look at this

875
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: free agent class and I want you to give me

876
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: an unsung or underrated signing, someone that you think they

877
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: bought low, sell high, that you think is going to

878
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: have more of an impact than most people are calculating

879
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: or forecasting at this point of the what dozen fourteen

880
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: free agents? How many is it now? I'm curious who

881
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: are where you guys would go in terms of someone

882
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: you think is going to be especially well bought halfway

883
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: through the season.

884
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: Roy Lopez, it's a good one. I think he's coming

885
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: off a career high year in Detroit. He left, he's

886
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: now back in Arizona, and when he walked into the room, yeah,

887
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: he was still the same Roy that we all kind

888
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: of knew, but he also had a little bit of

889
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: confidence to him that I'm not saying was missing. He's

890
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: always very confident, but when you have somebody in the

891
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: trenches that is able to go through it and have

892
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: a smile on their face while doing it and just

893
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: left had success, tastes his success on a personal level

894
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: and can now come back. And he talked about how

895
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: one of the challenges for him was the snaps that

896
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: he was not getting all the time in Detroit, and

897
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: that was something that took him some time, was starting

898
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: to understand his role. I think now he comes back

899
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: to the room with more of a defined role. Potentially,

900
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: you don't know how long Walter Nolan, the third is

901
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: going to be out. Darius Robinson and Roy have a

902
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: very strong connection. Dante Stills as well. They're all very

903
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: tight with Roy Lopez. If he's able to make an

904
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: impact on the field, that's one thing that's what you're

905
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: hoping you sign him for. If he's able to help

906
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: elevate Darius Robinson, if he's able to unlock something else.

907
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: And Dante's stills just simply based off of going to

908
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: a new scheme for a year, coming back and taking

909
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: whatever he learned from Detroit. I think he could be

910
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: under the radar signing that can make a splash come

911
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: game days.

912
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: I'm kinda there's a couple of different, couple different names

913
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 4: that I'm looking at, but for some reason, the Jack

914
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 4: Gibbons thing really resonates with me. I'm not sure why.

915
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to see where Cody Simon is in

916
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: his second year of development. I think if nothing else,

917
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: it gives you a good battle in there over like

918
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: who could be in there. I also think wind Guard

919
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 4: could end up being a starter, like we will see.

920
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: I think when they took Rabbit Taylor Demerson, I think

921
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: they had really high hopes. I think the thought at

922
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: the time was probably like Jalen Thompson was probably gonna

923
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 4: end up playing out his contract and leaving, and then

924
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: you had Rabbit, who you could put in there. I

925
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 4: think they're probably gonna want to see a little bit

926
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: more from Rabbit and that'll be another nice camp battle.

927
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: But those two guys, I think one of them is

928
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 4: gonna end up starting or playing quite a bit of Snap.

929
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking they're a little bit under the radar

930
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, because I can't take Roy Lopez because

931
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: I do think he's the most obvious one, or.

932
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: Samlo Sam Malo, Yeah, no doubt, but.

933
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: He's signed to be a starter, so duh, yeah.

934
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's more than ten million a year,

935
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: so I'm thinking more the underrated, underappreciated, underpaid. For example,

936
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson made more than nine million last year, Andrew

937
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: Wingert is between three and four million, So you know,

938
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: you cut that position right there if he ends up

939
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: being a starter by two thirds nearly. He's got seven

940
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: years experience in the league, and I mean he's seen

941
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: most everything. He definitely has a chip on the old

942
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: shoulder pad where he thinks he's been typecast as a

943
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: box safety only. And he cites, among other things, that

944
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: play on the ball to end the game against the

945
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: Cardinals and preserve a three point win by Jacksonville, where

946
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 3: he broke up the deep fourth down pass to Xavi

947
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: Weaver from Jacoby Brissette. And he's on a one year

948
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: deal Andrew Wingert, so he's an approved year. I'll go

949
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: with this though, because last year there was a tendency

950
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: of offenses. When Dalvin Tomlinson was in the game, they'd

951
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: run outside, and when Dalvin Tominson was out of the game,

952
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: they'd run it up the gut. So what happens you

953
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: need more than one nose tackle. So Royal Lopez, good call.

954
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: But Andrew Billings, who's out of central casting for a

955
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: nose tackle? Have you seen this guy? Six three forty plus,

956
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: he's aged thirty one, he started thirty nine of the

957
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: past forty two games he's played in the last three years.

958
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: So I just think having double barrel nose tackles, whether

959
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: it's you know, third and short, fourth and goal something

960
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 3: like that, you know, to plug and play those kind

961
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: of body types in there, that's gonna be that's gonna

962
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: be really vital and something you're gonna need, especially when

963
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: you're going against stink and Seattle wants to run the

964
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: ball and we know what the Rams did, so running

965
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: the ball now. As for as for a hard segue here,

966
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: I also saw Cardinals dot Com there was a story

967
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: about AJ Green in regards to Rondelle Moore, the late

968
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 3: Rondel Moore, and I had no idea they were that close.

969
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: I had no idea.

970
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: Honestly at the time, I didn't. And if you read

971
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 4: the piece on the Player's Tribune, you understand the relationship

972
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: that AJ Green had with the late Rondel Moore and

973
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: and how tight they really were and clearly how much

974
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: Moore's suicide really has impacted. I mean, obviously it's impacted

975
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people, but obviously Aj Green, who essentially

976
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: called Rondeale his third son. It's a if you haven't

977
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: seen it, it's worth finding again Aj Green in the

978
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: Player's Tribune, you can find it online. And yeah, it was.

979
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: It was.

980
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: It was really touching in a lot of ways. Gave

981
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: a lot of details and it's and it's weird because

982
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 4: Aj Green's last year in Arizona that was not a

983
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 4: great year. That was the year Kyler blew out his knee.

984
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: That was Cliff Kingsbury's last year. JJ Watt kind of

985
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 4: ended up being the story because he was pretty successful

986
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: and he ended up retiring, but Aj Green quietly retired too.

987
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: It was just a weird year for going into a

988
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: year where everybody had a lot of high hopes for

989
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: that team and to kind of have this as the

990
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: backdrop of now when you look back on it is

991
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: it was definitely something.

992
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: The amount of respect that it's sort of low key

993
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: that Aj Green got in that locker room, you know,

994
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: as an absolute legend that a lot of guys had

995
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 3: grown up watching and it was so good the first

996
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: six or seven years of his career, the moment he

997
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: got out of Georgia, and I mean he was just

998
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: a baller for the Bengals, and everything he did he

999
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: got a lot of respect. I think, a lot more

1000
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: in that locker room players, no players than maybe necessarily

1001
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: the fans at that point of his career.

1002
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, AJ's tenure in Arizona probably ended up

1003
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: being marked by the play in the end zone against

1004
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 4: Green Bay. And that's unfortunate because he was more than that.

1005
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 4: But that's kind of how it.

1006
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: Goes sometimes, no doubt, all right, So and.

1007
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 4: So I thank you for thank you for showing up today, Zach.

1008
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: Oh, no problem, That's what I'm That's what I'm here

1009
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: for whenever you guys need.

1010
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 3: Nobody even mentioned their brackets. So that's actually I consider

1011
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: that a victory.

1012
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: Nobody mentioned their bracket bracket since the oh that's.

1013
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, and my bracket's not doing too hot

1014
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: to mention.

1015
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 3: See. I don't know if it was me joining the

1016
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: likes of Darren if I liked the idea, but I

1017
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: did not succumb to the peer pressure this year to

1018
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 3: fill out a bracket and I gotta tell you I've

1019
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: enjoyed the tournament like I have an index.

1020
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1021
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 3: Because see, like I grew up going to Santa Clair

1022
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: basketball camps. If I would have taken Santa Clair in

1023
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 3: the bracket like I did stinking lose at the end

1024
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 3: there on the half court shot, it would have ruined

1025
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: my weekend. But no, you know, I just I move on.

1026
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: Just you know, just move on, No big deal. I

1027
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: have to worry about losing a hand or hand and marketing.

1028
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: And I'm saying, hey, Calvic, don't you do this for

1029
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: a living? You know, as I'm dead last in the

1030
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: bracket pool, so I don't have to worry about that.

1031
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: So this just means Paul's not not sitting in the

1032
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 4: office watching Marchman.

1033
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: Well this also means, then, if we're taking Paul at

1034
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: his word, we should not expect you in the fantasy

1035
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: football league for next year.

1036
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: Well that one, I don't have as much of it.

1037
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 4: Just for bragging nights. So you know, okay, just for bragging, right.

1038
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm just just making just making sure he's you know,

1039
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm scatting my opponents early.

1040
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: The Polypig Skins have to defend what's been a top

1041
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: three finished three years in a row. So we just

1042
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: have to do that. So, you know what, I might start.

1043
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: Sut as he's sitting across from the Content League.

1044
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: Champion, this might be a good time to say. That'll

1045
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: do it for Cardinals Underground starring Zach Gershman, I'm brought

1046
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,360
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