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Speaker 1: My people? I'm John Middlegoth this three and Now podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone's having a good day, a good morning, maybe

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Speaker 1: an afternoon, depending on where you're at, what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And today the Chicago Bears, Chicago Bears fired their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: I did a reaction video on YouTube, so you can

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Speaker 1: you subscribe to that right when it happened, just an

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Speaker 1: instant reaction. I'm going to talk today a little more

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Speaker 1: about just the big picture ramifications of just the Bears

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Speaker 1: aren't alone when it comes to dysfunction. The Cowboys, meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: we're going to lose their quarterback for the season, Dak

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Speaker 1: you know, ripped his hamstring off the bone going under

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Speaker 1: the knife and he's gone. So Cooper Rush, Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: and more Cowboys losses. The Giants meanwhile, are in that

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Speaker 1: conundrum of like do we bench our quarterback? So if

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Speaker 1: he gets injured, you know, if we play him he

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Speaker 1: gets injured, we're gonna owe him money next year. So

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Speaker 1: they've kind of been getting asked about that and kind

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Speaker 1: of trying to circumvent the answer. But I think I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much longer Daniel Jones has as a

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Speaker 1: might start in a couple weeks, but I'd say the

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Speaker 1: end is near. And then I want to dive in

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Speaker 1: on cough on campus as we do this every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Big story out right now is the animosity and anger

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Speaker 1: from Ohio State people on the big noon kickoff and

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Speaker 1: So I just want to got to dive into that.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't fallowed, it's a big story in the internet.

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt was tweeting a bunch about it. Brady Quinn

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Speaker 1: has made some comments, but trying to get Brady quin

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Speaker 1: to him sooner or later. But yeah, that's we will

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Speaker 1: I think we do this often, whether it's in sports,

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Speaker 1: whether it's in business, whether it's in politics, we kind

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Speaker 1: She does not resonate with people. She never has. When

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Speaker 1: some things clearly do not. It's no different coaching. You

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Speaker 1: Last week, Tarvarius Ward was not with the team. You

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Speaker 1: just certain people are more equipped to handle adversity, to

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Speaker 1: They been known as kind of a cheap franchise, but

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Speaker 1: But it all gets back so we can nitpick all

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Speaker 1: It is awful, and I don't follow it as closely

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Speaker 1: Clearly they have no they're not inclined to sell the team.

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Speaker 1: So as long as they're there, nothing's gonna change. And

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Speaker 1: They've just had good football teams. I know they've never

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Speaker 1: started winning at this level. Something about Eberflus just off.

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Speaker 1: like we're going into battle on Sunday? You know why?

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Speaker 1: Because it is a physical and mental battle. And eber

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Speaker 1: of years, it's no longer interesting. It just becomes the Jacks, right.

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Speaker 1: The Jags are just irrelevant now. The Bears have a

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Speaker 1: much bigger fan base. I'm not acting like they're on

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Speaker 1: They'll all be fired here at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: gotta be real with you. I think it's the right move.

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Speaker 1: It's not even about the first round. It's about eround.

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Speaker 1: talking like four hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money invested in three players. Who I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dak at best is like the seventh or eighth quarterback

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Speaker 1: that's at best when he's playing his best. On average,

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Speaker 1: he's probably like somewhere between ten and thirteen. Parsons I

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Speaker 1: think is a little overhyped great pass rusher, not a

431
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Speaker 1: great run player, but a really good defensive player. And CD,

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Speaker 1: you know, give or take somewhere between three and six

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. So it's not exactly like, well

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Speaker 1: we got Tom Brady, Joe Montana, and Lawrence Taylor, three

435
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Speaker 1: guys everyone would want, well, not Dak but the other two.

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Speaker 1: But you pay for it. And I think it's just

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Speaker 1: time to punt on the season. You know it already

438
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: happened to you organically. Now you can control it and

439
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: just keep losing these games. And I think the number

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Speaker 1: one question is going to be is like who is

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Speaker 1: Jerry interested in hiring? And are they interested back? Like

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Speaker 1: is he interested in Mike Rabel because I think if

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Speaker 1: he was, Vrabel would be interested back. Is there any

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Speaker 1: interest in Bill Belichick or are they just gonna want

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Speaker 1: to do some younger assistant, which I think would be

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Speaker 1: a pretty crazy pivot from a guy that Listen, we

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Speaker 1: can nitpick Mike all we want. It's hard to really

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Speaker 1: argue that he knows what he's doing right. So if

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Speaker 1: you hire Ben Johnson or Liam Kohen or all these

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Speaker 1: guys that are having incredible years as offensive coordinators, there's

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Speaker 1: no guarantee they can be a head coach, and you

452
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Speaker 1: can find yourself in a situation real fast where it's

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Speaker 1: really shitty. So I you know, the Cowboys, their only

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Speaker 1: question now is because they're they're gonna lose games. That's

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Speaker 1: they just have to show up on Sunday. They'll lose.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the coaching situation. We know the fate

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Speaker 1: of Mike. He's done. It ends and he had his opportunities.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think his first two years in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs were there for the taking at home against the

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Speaker 1: Niners and Jimmy Garoppolo like that was there, buddy. And

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Speaker 1: two years ago on the road against the Niners, they

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Speaker 1: easily they should have won that game that they were

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Speaker 1: taking a two party and Dak played shitty. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of been that. It was the kind of the story

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Speaker 1: of you know, I would say Mike's tenure in some

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Speaker 1: big games, Dak let him down, let him down a

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Speaker 1: big time and on the Giants, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's on a tough spot. I saw Joe Shane had

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Speaker 1: some quotes today basically saying like rebuilds are hard, like

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Speaker 1: we feel good about the direction we're going, which, I

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Speaker 1: what is he supposed to say? Our team sucks? If

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Speaker 1: I was a fan, I wouldn't watch us play either.

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Speaker 1: This is the worst product I think I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: since being a sports fan. This blows clearly. He's got

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Speaker 1: to be glass at full and both him and the

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Speaker 1: head coach have reiterated like it will be a football

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Speaker 1: decision based on Daniel Jones. This isn't peewee football. This

478
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Speaker 1: is a business, and you obviously misplayed your hand when

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Speaker 1: you gave Daniel Jones all that money. It was a

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Speaker 1: disaster contract, one of honestly the dumbest contracts we've ever

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Speaker 1: seen in the history of sports. Like we have seen

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Speaker 1: some big contracts and then a guy get injured, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like nothing you can do you pay a guy

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Speaker 1: who's an excellent player and then he gets hurt. It's

485
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Speaker 1: like that's unlucky. But sometimes, like you pay a guy

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Speaker 1: all this money. You see it in the NBA a lot,

487
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: like when the Wizards gave Bradley Beal two hundred and

488
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars, you're like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's

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Speaker 1: the worst contract of all time. I feel like that

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, You're like, yeah, I think that's pretty dumb.

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Speaker 1: Everyone kind of universally thought like, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that adds up, and it aged even worse. But he's terrible.

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Speaker 1: He's just not good enough. He had a couple games.

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Speaker 3: Stretched this year where you're like, okay, he's he's serviceable.

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Speaker 3: You're like trying to make excuses for Him's like, I

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Speaker 3: think you can compete with this. He's not turning the

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Speaker 3: ball over. But then over the course of time, it's

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Speaker 3: like he just gets worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: I think you gotta bench him. I think you make

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Speaker 1: a business decision right now. And if you're John Marrow,

501
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: like you gotta get involved, Like what's the point of this.

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00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: We're not winning any games with this guy. So you

503
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: could argue from a football standpoint, just go to the backup,

504
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Speaker 1: just see if that gives you a better chance to win.

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Speaker 1: And two, in what world do we see a scenario

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Speaker 1: even if we can control it, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: this guy any money where he's gonna be on the

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Speaker 1: team next year. Well, the answer to that it doesn't exist. Right.

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Speaker 1: You don't want this guy on the team next year. Right, clearly,

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Speaker 1: I think they like the guy as a person. He's

511
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Speaker 1: a bad football player, and relative to his position that

512
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Speaker 1: are starters in the NFL, you could argue he's one

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Speaker 1: of the worst. So why wouldn't you control what you

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Speaker 1: can control and just bench. That's what they should do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go on campus a little cough. On campus is

516
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Speaker 1: a fun time of year. It's kind of sad sometimes

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Speaker 1: when you look at the current time of where we're

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Speaker 1: at when it comes to the football season, like, we

519
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: don't really have that much left. Telling stuck you this

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00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: last week. Sometimes when I scroll over, I'm like, we're

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Speaker 1: already in week ten. I was looking Ole Miss is

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Speaker 1: eight and two. I'm like, God, they only got a

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Speaker 1: couple of games left. Football season's going a little too fast.

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Speaker 1: I wish, you know, we could do a slow rewind,

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Speaker 1: go back to like Week five. I like a long

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Speaker 1: football season because even sometimes like I gotta watch Monday

527
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: night football, it's still way better than not having football on.

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Speaker 1: But one topic that's pretty controversial right now in the

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Speaker 1: land of Ohio State and a television network is this

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Speaker 1: big noon kickoff and Big noon kickoff. Obviously, when Fox

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Speaker 1: got the Big Ten a couple of years ago, they

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Speaker 1: created this time slot on Pacific Standard time. It would

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Speaker 1: be a nine am kickoff, and it's dominated. It is

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Speaker 1: dominated now. Over the course of the last three years,

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Speaker 1: with all the good Michigan teams in all the good

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Speaker 1: Ohio State teams, the overwhelming majority of those games involved

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Speaker 1: those two teams. And this year, because Michigan has falling

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Speaker 1: off a cliff, the last six Big noon kickoffs have

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Speaker 1: been Ohio State. And Ohio State fans are freaking the

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Speaker 1: fuck out because they go, this is insane. Why can't

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Speaker 1: we get a night home game. They look at LSU,

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Speaker 1: they look at Texas, they look at Georgia this week

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: against Tennessee. They're getting all these night home games. And

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Speaker 1: I think from Joel Klatt, who went on this long

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Speaker 1: Twitter rant giving his perspective from the Fox side, how

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Speaker 1: well these games have done. How big this game has

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Speaker 1: been for ratings for the conference and it's all true.

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00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: And then all the Ohio State fans, well, yeah, it's

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00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: been big for the conference because you're using Ohio State.

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00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: This isn't some equitable transaction. It's not like, well we

551
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: use Iowa this week, we use Nebraska. You're just riding

552
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Speaker 1: the two big dogs. And now that Michigan and Harbaugh's gone,

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00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: fuck them, it's just Ohio State. It'd be like playing

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys or Lakers in every primetime game. When they're good,

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00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: it'd be a no brainer. But eventually it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: no one else is bringing anything to the table. And

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Speaker 1: this is how it works in the NFL, speaking of

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00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: like the Bears or the Raiders or some of these

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Speaker 1: bad teams, doesn't matter if they're bad or good, because

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: as long as the Steelers, the Ravens, the Chiefs, the Niners, right,

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Speaker 1: the Packers, the Eagles, like they keep winning over the

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Speaker 1: last three years, the Cowboys, those games get the highest ratings.

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Speaker 1: Yet everyone at the end of the year, during the

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Speaker 1: course of the year, with the payout, makes the saint

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Speaker 1: because the partnership as a whole is worth more. Now

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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State would say, well, if we went solo,

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Speaker 1: we'd be like Notre Dame. Our value is worth way

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Speaker 1: more than Rutgers. That's one hundred percent true, but the

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Speaker 1: value to the network as a group is very, very valuable.

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Speaker 1: I do understand Fox's point of view if this game

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Speaker 1: had been the night Big Ten kickoff and it went

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Speaker 1: against the SEC, because the SEC's two main time slots

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Speaker 1: are obviously the one after Big Noon I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: go on Pacific Standard time are usually a twelve thirty kickoff,

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Speaker 1: and then the night kickoff, which is four thirty. Both

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Speaker 1: those are Pacific stands times, so the late afternoon and

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Speaker 1: then the night window, which they dominate. So Fox realized

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Speaker 1: there was a gigantic opening in the morning, and it

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Speaker 1: hasn't just worked, it's dominated. So two things can be true.

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Speaker 1: This was one hundred percent the right move for the

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Speaker 1: television partner to make the highest ratings for Ohio State, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the Big Ten when they play

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Speaker 1: those teams. Also, it sucks for the fans, it really does,

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Speaker 1: because having a night game mixed in every once in

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Speaker 1: a while when you are as good as Michigan has

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Speaker 1: been in Ohio State. It is a big deal. It

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00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: is way more fun. There is something to be said

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Speaker 1: about tailgating, drinking all day in the communal aspect that

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Speaker 1: the SEC is really getting to enjoy right now. But

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Speaker 1: I do think part of and listen, Ohio State versus

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Speaker 1: Diana in two weeks, if they put that game at

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Speaker 1: seven point thirty Eastern time at night, would do well

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Speaker 1: ratings wise, but it will do better in the morning

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Speaker 1: competing against nobody because think about that morning slot, you're

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Speaker 1: not really competing against the best SEC teams ever playing

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Speaker 1: each other, and Notre Dame because usually they play at

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Speaker 1: some sort of you know, time slot in the next

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Speaker 1: two I think it's a tough one. I really do.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you have to realize

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Speaker 1: this is a fan. They need you. None of this

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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: shit would exist without us. All these sports, all the

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00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: money comes from us, especially in football. The reason they're

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Speaker 1: getting these massive television contracts is because we watch, and

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Speaker 1: as long as we watch, we don't actually really matter,

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Speaker 1: and they don't don't give a shit about us. And

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: you could argue, hell, in the NBA they lost half

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Speaker 1: their audience and they doubled their television deal, so maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just a unique time where television rights, you know,

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Speaker 1: with live programming for sports is so unique and powerful

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Speaker 1: that we don't even matter as much. But without us,

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00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: there's no money. Like that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

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Speaker 1: But so many people are watching. You can bitch and

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Speaker 1: moan on social media, but if seven, eight, nine, ten

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Speaker 1: million people watch all these morning kickoffs, they're gonna keep

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00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: doing it. Why because it's working. And part of it

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Speaker 1: is like you complain all you want. They're like Rutgers

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota bring nothing to the table, which is somewhat

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: true in terms of the massive television ratings. But your

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Speaker 1: value to these television partners is the overall inventory as

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Speaker 1: well as the cash cows. So you do need them

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Speaker 1: to fill in Fox Sports one at seven thirty at

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Speaker 1: night when Minnesota plays Iowa. That does bring value to them.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, nothing's gonna change.

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Speaker 1: And I one thing I do agree as an unbiased

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Speaker 1: like I'm not a big ten guy. It has helped

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Speaker 1: your conference having when you have a sweet game Penn State,

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00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State, when you have you know, Michigan, Ohio State

628
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: has played in that time slot forever Michigan's played a

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Speaker 1: ton of those games over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I watch you because you're not really competing against anyone

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Speaker 1: else I want to watch, So you get me as

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00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: a consumer, which if it was LS now with YouTube TV,

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00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: I get the four box. But like at night, Ohio

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00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: State Indiana or LSU Alabama if they're on at the

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Speaker 1: same time and I only have one option to watch

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Speaker 1: one game. Most people don't have multiple TVs, like myself,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm choosing LSU Alabama. So you guys have created

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Speaker 1: a niche for I would say the sport. It sucks

639
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Speaker 1: if you're an Ohio State fan you want to go

640
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Speaker 1: to the game. It probably sucks if you just want

641
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: to watch the game right and like just want it

642
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Speaker 1: to feel bigger at night. But I just don't think

643
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Speaker 1: it's gonna change. I mean unless like Ryan Day and

644
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State brass like refuse to participate. And it doesn't

645
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Speaker 1: feel like that's gonna happen anytime soon. So it's just

646
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a bunch of people complaining when the same

647
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Speaker 1: thing continues to happen. I mean, it really does. And

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Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from, Like we are as

649
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Speaker 1: important of a college football brand as anyone in the country,

650
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: and that is one hundred percent of fact. Fox needs

651
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: us really more than we need them. You could put

652
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: us on any other network at most time slots, and

653
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: we are going to move the needle. That is a fact.

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Speaker 1: But you're signing a contract with these guys, so they

655
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Speaker 1: got you by the balls, and they're gonna utilize you,

656
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: and they are utilized you, and it is working to

657
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: your benefit because more people are watching this game than

658
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: they would otherwise, which still a lot of people would watch,

659
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: but because of the less competition in a weird way,

660
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Speaker 1: it is also working to your benefit in terms of

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Speaker 1: the program. You know, one thing that's crazy the way

662
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: college football's kind of played itself out is like the

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: ACC with Miami losing and obviously Clemson falling apart and

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Speaker 1: losing some games, like they're only getting one team in

665
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Speaker 1: the Big twelve, they're only getting one team in. So

666
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Speaker 1: we have four conferences that they're whoever wins the conference

667
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: championship gets an automatic bit. But when we look at

668
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Speaker 1: the SEC and we look at the Big Ten, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the over under on that the amount of

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Speaker 1: teams of those two conferences is like seven and a half.

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Speaker 1: If I was a betting man right now, it's say

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Speaker 1: eight teams between the SEC and the Big Ten, probably

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Speaker 1: four and four get in. I'm pretty confident that when

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Speaker 1: you look at the Big twelve in the eight are

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Speaker 1: getting one team each whoever wins the conference championship game

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Speaker 1: for both conferences. So if you go four, four is eight,

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Speaker 1: two and two is ten, then you probably go Notre

678
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Dame in Boise State, and that's it. And when you

679
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: look at the Big Ten, like I think we got

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea, it's a little less jumbled than

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Speaker 1: the SEC. It's Ohio State, it's Oregon, it's Penn State.

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Speaker 1: And I think unless Indiana loses like one hundred to

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Speaker 1: nothing like Indiana's in, the SEC gets a lot more

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Speaker 1: weird because you're gonna have a ton of two loss teams,

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Speaker 1: and there are gonna be some two loss teams that

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Speaker 1: don't make it the SEC championship game. And what if

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Speaker 1: a two loss team makes the SEC championship game, like

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Speaker 1: Georgia or if Tennessee were to lose this weekend and

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Speaker 1: they have two losses I'm just using an example, or

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Speaker 1: Ole Miss or whoever, and they lose that SEC championship game.

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Speaker 1: So now they have three losses, but they go, hey,

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Speaker 1: we just weren't in this game, especially if it's a

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Speaker 1: close game. We played an extra game, so that team

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Speaker 1: with two losses didn't even make it. The SEC could

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Speaker 1: get complicated, but I do feel pretty confident that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get four teams from each conference, and the Big

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00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: twelve's kind of falling apart because BYU pulled one of

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Speaker 1: the craziest games out of their ass. You know, the

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Speaker 1: utahed was like ready to get fired. He was so mad.

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Speaker 1: Iowa States falling apart. Colorado now controls their own destiny.

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Speaker 1: I think the networks that's who they want. They want

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Speaker 1: Colorado to win out and then win the Big Twelve championship,

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Speaker 1: so do I That's what I'm rooting for. But I

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Speaker 1: also think what's cool about college football is while individual

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Speaker 1: games like ultimately USC playing LSU, whoever lost that game,

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Speaker 1: their season was very much alive, right, But it was

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00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: clear going into that BAM LSU game that someone was

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Speaker 1: playing for their playoff lives, and I believed in Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know what, Alabama doesn't look that good.

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Speaker 1: LSU obviously is coming off a bad half against text

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Speaker 1: A and M. But the games at home, their offenses

712
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Speaker 1: should be really, really good. Their defense has played a

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Speaker 1: lot better. It's just from a gambling standpoint, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how do I not take LSU as a dog at home?

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Speaker 1: And that game was over pretty fast. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: didn't even make it till halftime before it's like, this

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Speaker 1: thing's over. And I think the cool part about college

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Speaker 1: football is how these one game scenarios can kind of

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Speaker 1: define you for a while. Like ultimately, the USC game

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Speaker 1: when Brian Kelly slammed his hand didn't define him because

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Speaker 1: he came storming back. And then even that first half

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Speaker 1: against Texts A and M, it was like, God, LSU

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Speaker 1: looks like they could be a problem in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Then the second half comes, but his first half was

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Speaker 1: good enough where it's like you weren't gonna totally act

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Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly was some idiot, because if you watch

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Speaker 1: him in the first half, I think of the score

728
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Speaker 1: at halftime was seventeen to seven, but it felt like

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00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: it should be thirty to seven. LSU was destroying them,

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00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and then nus Meyer melts down and then it bleeds

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Speaker 1: right into the Alabama game, and now they have whatever,

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Speaker 1: six straight quarters of getting worked and we go from

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Speaker 1: Dubor it's like, you know, he's wearing T shirts on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. Nick Saban never would have done that. This

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: team looks like they're gonna be eight and four. They're

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Speaker 1: fucking falling apart. The Saban dynasty fields like seven years remove.

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Speaker 1: What is going on? And now it's like, oh, do

738
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Speaker 1: the math. They're gonna be ten to two and guess

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Speaker 1: where they're gonna be in the playoffs And Kaylin DUBOORR

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Speaker 1: for the second straight year with two different programs, is

741
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: gonna be playoff bound? Now it technically last year was

742
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: the final four, but you know what I mean, that

743
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: was a massive win. And I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: the rare cases where it's like bigger loss or like

745
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: worst loss for a coach or bigger win for a coach.

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Speaker 1: I think it was equal on both sides. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a devastating loss for Brian Kelly. Not because he's

748
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: gonna get fired, not because he's gonna get run out

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Speaker 1: of town. But I think the last couple of years,

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00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, people still wanted to give him the benefit

751
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: of doubt and it got your hype, your hopes hyped

752
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: up for this season. He was the guy in the

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Speaker 1: USC game, and props to him for saying, no, Lincoln,

754
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: We're not going to reschedule this game. We're playing you

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00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas. He was the one that refused to tap

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00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: out and I gave him a lot of credit for that,

757
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: and then he lost. It's football. Fuck, shit happens that

758
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: TEXA and M second half. You're like, what the hell

759
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: just happened? But you're like, hey, it's on the road.

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00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: That's one of the craziest environments ever. Elko, the coach

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00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: for A and M, was like, listen, he said that

762
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: I watched this press conference after the game. He's like this,

763
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: this this place needed a lot of help. We had

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00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot of issues here this program. We had a

765
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: lot of different things. We had a to do list

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00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: a mile long, but one thing that was not on

767
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: there was this atmosphere at this place, as they call it,

768
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: like the twelve. And it's hard to win on the

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00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: road in the SEC, but at home against a Bama team,

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Speaker 1: which I think a lot of people question, like how

771
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: good it is relative to a lot of other Bama

772
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: teams and get beat like that that one's hard to shake.

773
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Speaker 1: And it's also a big moment for de Bors, like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: you know who I've beat this year? Kirby Smart. Last

775
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: time I checked, he's under a contract for well over

776
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. Oh and Brian Kelly, Yeah, yeah,

777
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I think he signed a ninety million dollar contract. So

778
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: you do the math. I'd beat two guys that have

779
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: contracts signed that are approaching or maybe over depending on

780
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Speaker 1: the language. Two hundred million dollars. I beat him both

781
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: year one with a quarterback that I didn't pick, who's

782
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: much more of a runner than a passer. And if

783
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: you've seen me coach like Jay Cane or Michael Pennix,

784
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I want a pocket passer. That's how I call offense.

785
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: But if I got to adapt, fuck it. Thirteen million

786
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Kirby a year will kick his ass at home. Brian Kelly,

787
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: what are you paying him a year? Ten? You want

788
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: me to go on the roads to baton rouge, yeah'll

789
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: bend him over. Pretty big moment for Debor just kind

790
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: of quiets everybody, Like, guys, this dude from South Dakota

791
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of knows how to coach ball, and this is

792
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: the highest level football, you have some devastating losses. It

793
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: comes with a territory. I saw Sean Payton his press

794
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: conference after that loss to Andy Reid. He's like, the

795
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: reality is, as a football coach and as coaching in

796
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: this league, you're gonna have games like that, and hopefully

797
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: over the course of time you're on the right end

798
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: more than the wrong end, that it happens to you

799
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: more than it happens on the other end. And right now,

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00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: I would say in the Mahomes Andy era, it feels

801
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: like for the most part they have been on the

802
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: right end of the majority of them. They've had a

803
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: couple go the other way, right the Tyreek Hill play

804
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati that kind of derailed that game, and they

805
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: ended up losing at home in the AFC Championship game

806
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl against Tampa Bay when they were missing

807
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: their tackles, got boat raced. It happens. But I'd say

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00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: this for a guy that lost to Vanderbilt, which actually

809
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: i'd say age better because it's pretty clear that Vanderbilt's

810
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: a real program. Is like Caitlin knows what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: And if I was a Bama fan, I would not

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00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: trade my coach for Brian Kelly. And if I was

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00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: an LSU fan, if you gave me the option, like

814
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: would you trade to Bor for Kelly, I'd be like, yes,

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd hesitate. That's how fast shit changes.

816
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: Little Middlecoff mail bag time at John Middlecoff is the

817
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: instagram at John Middlecoff Instagram. It's crazy, I'm recording this.

818
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: It's not even five o'clock yet in the afternoon. It

819
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: just gets dark so early now. But fire in those dms.

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00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: Get your question answered here on the show. We do

821
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: one on the weekend, try to do several during the week.

822
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys know the drill. Just my Instagram.

823
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Fire in. We will start with Reginald, but he goes

824
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: by Reggie. Longtime listener, first time question regarding McVeigh and

825
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: the Rams. The team won three straight with the previous

826
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Speaker 1: setup at offensive line, the right tackle being out definitely hurt.

827
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Speaker 1: But Jackson at center when you had a rookie who,

828
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: by most accounts, PFF and some other analytics sites say

829
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: he was playing very well, and you put a guy

830
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: who had three weeks worth of practice at the position

831
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: because you signed him to a contract this offseason. At

832
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Speaker 1: the guard spot, in this case, where would you have

833
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: to pay a guy? Do you have to play a

834
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: guy because you paid rather than play the best for

835
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Speaker 1: a continuity of the unit. Did McVeigh overthink this, well,

836
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Speaker 1: Jackson the center was staffing. I mean, Stafford's I would

837
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: can call him like Peyton Manning or Joe Flacco is not.

838
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: He's six six, but he's I bet he's six three

839
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and a half and he had to reach up a

840
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: couple times. I mean on the one that he ended

841
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: up picking up on the fumble. Those snaps in the

842
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: shotgun were not great. I do think anytime you're a

843
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: GM slash coach, and I think it's fair to say

844
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: that less in McVeigh are one and the same, like

845
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: when they signed guys, Obviously they're gonna be instances where

846
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: one guy's pushing for the other guy. You know, a

847
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: player that maybe the other guy just gets convinced, but

848
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: he's not totally on board. But I think you don't

849
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: sustain success for that long without you both being on

850
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: the same page. When you do invest a lot of

851
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: money into a player, whether it's a guard or center,

852
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: whether it's a linebacker, what other whatever position, you do

853
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: for your own ego want to see it work, and

854
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: I think it's hard when a guy early in the season,

855
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: like if this was year two or three and he

856
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: had a long history for you of struggling and the

857
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: other younger player had filled in at multiple moments, then yeah.

858
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: But I think it's very fair to assume that when

859
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: you pay a guy a lot of money, he doesn't

860
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: get bench just because he got injured, especially if you

861
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: think he is a good player and has you know,

862
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: was playing well before he got hurt. I think it's

863
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: easy to second guess when you know you re put

864
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: in some starters that you paid and they don't play

865
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: as well as the younger players who were previously in there.

866
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a tough spot. I think year one

867
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: of that situation, the veteran player who's making a lot

868
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: of money gets the benefit of the doubt. I think

869
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: where you get in dicey situations is is this year

870
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: two or three of the situation, when he hasn't played well.

871
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: Then it's on the coach in the GM to be like, no,

872
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: we're just going with the young player. I think year one,

873
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: like you believe this guy is a better player over

874
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: the course of ten weeks, twenty weeks, right, so anyone

875
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: can have one better game. I'm defending him here. It's

876
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: not like I haven't broken down the film or asked

877
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: for the intel on the Rams offensive line situation. But

878
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: just watching, you know the guys struggle. Clearly their offensive

879
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: line as a whole. That unit struggled in that game

880
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: against what I would say is not the greatest defensive front.

881
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Though the young player from Penn State Miami had a

882
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: pretty sweet rush. But I don't have a problem with

883
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: reinserting a highly paid player who's I mean, we'll barely

884
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: start in November, so you still are probably pretty high

885
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: on the guy. Can we all admit now that Chase

886
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: is better than Jefferson. He's breaking all these records for

887
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: two hundred yard games, two hundred fifty yard games, and

888
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice and I believe the second most fifty to

889
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: sixty yard tds for a career at his age. He's

890
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: a lot more explosive than Jefferson. Jefferson has had way

891
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: more targets than him as well, as pure stats don't

892
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: show the whole story. But I am a fan of both,

893
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: and it's funny how everyone just says Jefferson is the best,

894
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: and there's no debate, but they never made sense to me.

895
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Curious what you think. I do believe whichever guy got

896
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: to play with Joe Burrow would just have some remarkable games.

897
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, this version, over the course of his career,

898
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: is much better player than Kirk Cousins and is obviously

899
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: dramatically better than Sam Darnold. So, like all things aren't equal.

900
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: If me and you run a race, we just run

901
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: one hundred yard dash, or we run a mile, just

902
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: me versus you. There are no variables. Hey, tomorrow the

903
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: race is at Nuon, so you know, like what time

904
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: you need to eat, what time you need to hydrate,

905
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: what time you need to start stretching like this, just

906
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: it's mono amano. I play you golf, I play you tennis,

907
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: just me versus you. Right, we're both playing the same course,

908
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: we both playing the same you know, if we give

909
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: each other the same exact tennis, rackets, football, there are

910
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: variables like who's calling your plays, who's throwing you the ball.

911
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty I'm with you. I think it's

912
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: pretty close. I think I'd have to really do a

913
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: deep dive, Like if you got the option, which guy

914
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: would you take if you were starting a team tomorrow

915
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: and you got to pick one of the two, I

916
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: would have to do a lot, like, do a lot

917
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: more research. I would not feel comfortable just going. I

918
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: would take Justin Jefferson right now. And I'm guilty of

919
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: saying Jefferson's the best wide receiver, but I think I

920
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: said when did they play? Oh, it's Thursday night. Like listen,

921
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the best wide receiver, but

922
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: I know he's a lot closer to one than he

923
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: is five in the rankings. Like Jamar Chase is an

924
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: elite dominant player. They are both game changing dominant forces.

925
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: Body types are a little bit different, right, one guy's longer,

926
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: Their games are different. I would say Justin Jefferson's more

927
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: just pure route runner. Chase is like the best version

928
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: of like a route runner, you know, DJ Moore, Deebo,

929
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: Samuel over the middle, ability to break tackles, make guys miss,

930
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: run by guys. Jefferson is like pure what you would

931
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: develop more in a lab. Chase is kind of this

932
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: new era, explosive, unstoppable force. I got no issue with either.

933
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: I'd hear both sides of the argument. I think as

934
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: of as I sit here right now not doing deep dives,

935
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: because I'm with you, it wouldn't be about the stats

936
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: my deep dive. If I was going to pick between

937
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: the two of them to like play for my team,

938
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: if I was a coach or a GM, I'd have

939
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: to do more research on the person, which clearly they

940
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: both really like football because they play their ass off,

941
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: and to just really study the tape, because again we're nitpicking.

942
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: It'd be like who do you want? TJ. Watt or

943
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Well, you couldn't go wrong either way, but

944
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: if you were really choosing one or the other, you

945
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: would have to do a deep dive. Right It's like, hey,

946
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you two homes. They're both worth nine million dollars. Well,

947
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: if you didn't get to pick, or he didn't get

948
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: to choose, you'd like, well, give me either, because even

949
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: if I don't like it, I'll just sell it. But

950
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: if you truly had to live there and they're giving

951
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: you two options, like you would probably do a deep dive.

952
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: You don't want to go check them out. So I

953
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: hear you. I do think we kind of flippingly give

954
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: Jefferson more credit than Jamar now, his stats, like you said,

955
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: are pretty hard to argue. He does get a lot

956
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: of targets, which obviously boosts the stats. But I think

957
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: when you look at Jamar Chase, yeah, I mean Jefferson's

958
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: has been a lot better. I do think Jamar is

959
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: a pretty special player, and he's having a very very

960
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: special year. He's having a year a lot like Justin Jefferson.

961
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean last year he had one hundred catches for

962
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards in seven touchdowns. Good year, previous year

963
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: eighty seven, one thousand, don't I don't have the games

964
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: played on the way. I'm looking at her right now. Again,

965
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: he's he's a fucking baller, uh, I say right now,

966
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. But I hear what you're saying. Teams find

967
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: starters and quality players in the third round all the time.

968
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: As a Nighter fan, my buddy and I are still

969
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: upset we invested a third round pick for at best

970
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: an above average kicker. Obviously, Moody had a rough game,

971
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: and I don't want to let recency bias skew this,

972
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: but if you're using a third round pick on a kicker,

973
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: you gotta be sure he's the guy in your opinion,

974
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: how egregious of an error is it taking a kicker

975
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: in the third round when there's, for example, dominic poonies

976
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: out there. Shouldn't kickers be seventh rounders or udfas. I

977
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: think this is a pretty simple answer for me. I

978
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: would say, there's a line where you can't take a kicker.

979
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: You would never take one in the first round, you

980
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: would never take one in the second round. I have

981
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 1: a hard time taking one if I'm a bad team

982
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: and I'm drafting in the top half of the third round.

983
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: I do think once you become a super Bowl team,

984
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: or once you become a high end playoff team and

985
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: you draft at the end of the third round, you

986
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: view that pick and maybe you don't have a fourth

987
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: round pick, like, what the hell's the difference of me

988
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: taking this guy at pick ninety six. Let's say I'm

989
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: pull up what his exact pick was. Then if I

990
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: were to have a fourth round pick, right, Jake Moody

991
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: was picked ninety nine, So if I'm the forty nine ers,

992
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm a pick ninety nine, Like, there's a big difference

993
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: to me taking that kicker at ninety nine and then

994
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: seventy five, because you go well, the fourth round starting

995
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: in a couple picks, and we don't have the option

996
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: to take a guy. Once you start getting that third day,

997
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: it's like whatever. If you are going to take a

998
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: kicker or a punter on the second day of the draft,

999
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: which I would say nine point nine percent is always

1000
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna be in the middle or the end of the

1001
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: third round. He's got to be a plug and play

1002
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: starter and be really good. I'm pretty sure Justin Tucker

1003
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: was an undrafted free agent, and I saw Richard Sherman

1004
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: going on this rant because like anyone with a brain,

1005
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: we him, myself and everyone else that I respect defended

1006
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel because Deebo Samuel looked at Jake Moody, who

1007
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: was drafted in the third round. His job was simple

1008
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: make kicks, and so far early in his career, including

1009
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, he has missed kicks and all if

1010
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Deebo would have said you're a piece of shit, you

1011
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: suck out have been like, yeah, that's probably not the

1012
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: ideal thing to say. In the middle of the game,

1013
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel looked at him and said, lock in and

1014
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: the whack job long snapper comes flying off the top rope.

1015
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Even Kyle acknowledged the long snapper crossed like shut up,

1016
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: he didn't. You're allowed to be critical. And the one

1017
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: thing Richard made the point of, it's pretty clear you

1018
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: can find kickers. It's the most replaceable position. It is

1019
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: easily the most replaceable position. And I don't disagree. As

1020
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: we sit here in twenty twenty five, I guess it's

1021
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: still twenty four, but you know what I mean. Brandon

1022
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: Aubrey did not play kicker in college, did not play

1023
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: college football. I don't evenk he played high school football,

1024
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: started kicking when his soccer career ended. After college, the

1025
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: dude baits on Sunday Night Football. They're like, yeah, he

1026
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: just started kicking. Well, I don't even know his story,

1027
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: but I don't want to screw that up because I

1028
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: almost said he didn't play football, but I'm pretty sure

1029
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: he did. Played college football. So he played at Arkansas,

1030
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: he played at Texas State. He was an undrafted free agent.

1031
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: He goes to play for the Michigan Panthers, which I

1032
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: would imagine as a USFL team. Professional American Football is

1033
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: a UFL team, So he's an undrafted free agent. Plays

1034
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: goes to the UFL a year later, he's just kicking

1035
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: game winner after game winner for the I don't know

1036
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: one of if not the best team were currently in

1037
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. So it's like, I take this guy in

1038
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: the third round and listen, he's coming off an injury,

1039
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: which is an ankle injury, so it's it's not the

1040
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: easiest injury to come back from if you're a kicker.

1041
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: But like I put this on Kyle and John, if

1042
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna make him active, fuck, he better be ready.

1043
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: When the previous two guys they had just had I

1044
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: don't think he'd missed a kick. So it's a major

1045
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: problem when you draft a guy and it's he does

1046
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: not need to be Justin Tucker. There there's gonna be

1047
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: a few Justin Tucker's in the history of our life,

1048
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: but he needs to be your starting kicker for multiple

1049
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: contracts and right now as through a year and a half,

1050
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: Like Jake Moody's job security is in question in the

1051
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: long snapper supporting him when he's part of one of

1052
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: the worst, if not the worst unit, the special teams

1053
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: unit for the forty nine ers in all of football.

1054
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the punter with Snowski, who they

1055
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: also drafted who's good, and I think they took Mitch

1056
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: in like the fifth round, take a fifth, take a fourth,

1057
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: take a sixth round punter. As long as he's your starter,

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: I got no issue with it. And he's a good player.

1059
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna draft a kicker, whether it's the

1060
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: third round or it's the sixth round, the fucking guy

1061
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: better be just your starting kicker. And while Moody's your

1062
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: starting kicker, they got a lot of questions for him,

1063
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: So I don't have an issue with the third round pick.

1064
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: But here's the thing with kickers. Unlike a lot of positions,

1065
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: this guy was a dominant college player and he kicked

1066
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: in the elements. Jim Harball was quoted as saying, this

1067
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Moody played at Michigan death taxes, and Moody like, this

1068
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: guy didn't miss. And then immediately he comes to the

1069
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: NFL and in the preseason he starts missing. You're like,

1070
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: holy shit, here we go. And you've seen this happen.

1071
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes when a guy loses his confidence, it can go fast.

1072
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean you see it at all. Nu Smiler nuss

1073
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: Meyer was cruising this season. He was like, is he

1074
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna be the first team all SEC quarterback, and then

1075
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: the second half of the A and M game happened,

1076
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: and then the Alabama game happened. You go, this guy

1077
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: sucks right now. That's how fast it can happen. It

1078
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: can happen to all of us, and no matter what

1079
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: we do. When you have the confidence, you feel like

1080
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: it'll never go and when you lose it, which you

1081
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: can lose very very quickly, especially as a young person,

1082
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: it feels like you're never gonna get it back. And

1083
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: that's why you watch Jake Moody. You go, he's in

1084
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: his own head. And the hard part about kickers, like, well,

1085
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: you can't. It's not like you know he's the right

1086
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: tackle or debo or you know your safety where you

1087
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: can just start screaming at like hey and you know

1088
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: dog cuss them on the sideline to get their head

1089
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: in the game. It's like, no, we got to be

1090
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: very careful. They're very fickle. If you yell too loud,

1091
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: he won't be able to hold down his food and

1092
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: then I'll miss another kick. It's like, holy shit, no

1093
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: wonder these other players like listen, you can be critical

1094
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: of like you know people has his moments, but it's

1095
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: like people's having an excellent game. I've seen him carry

1096
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: a fucking NFL team to the NFC Championship game. I

1097
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: mean over a course of two months. Like I'm sorry,

1098
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: if Debo tells you to lock in, just be like yeah.

1099
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: And even Moody was like he was right, and I

1100
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: got the long snapper like be quiet, shut up. It's like, nobuddy,

1101
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: you be quiet. Let's pretend you're a little kid at Thanksgiving.

1102
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: You sit at the little kids table, be grateful that

1103
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: there's food on your table. No one wants to hear.

1104
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: The grown ups don't want to hear from you, so

1105
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: just keep your mouth shut. That's it's not shocking that

1106
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Kyle came out like, yeah, our long snapper was wrong,

1107
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: even though Deebo Choke slammed him. Should a knee captaim.

1108
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: But again it's like, well, you can't cut him because

1109
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: where are you gonna find and these that's where the

1110
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: kickers and the long snappers and the punters. They feel

1111
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: like they got the coaches in the front office by

1112
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: the balls, because if if another position player played like that,

1113
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: it's be like, oh, we gotta bench him. It's like

1114
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: we gotta be very careful. We got a tiptoe around

1115
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: the kickers. It's like, oh my god, listen. I used

1116
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: to hang out with the kickers when I was a

1117
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: GA at prison State because while practice was going on,

1118
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: I didn't have much to do. Guess who else didn't

1119
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: have much to do. The kicker of the punter and

1120
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: the long snapper kind of kicked it on the side

1121
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: of the hill of prison State. We'd like run the clock,

1122
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: we'd blow the horn.

1123
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Speaker 4: It's meanwhile, the rest of your team is, you know,

1124
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: just battling their ass off for six months a year, injured, sweaty,

1125
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 4: it's cold, banging pads, getting yelled at, kicker, long snapper,

1126
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 4: middle cough up on the hill, cracking jokes about some

1127
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: chick that just walked by.

1128
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: Just listen to your pod on the Bear's Disaster. Is

1129
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: an overreaction for me to say that Caleb Williams will

1130
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: never be a star in the NFL. The dude doesn't

1131
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: have it. I think if he's lucky, he'll have a

1132
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: chance to be criminally overrated, the same way Trevor Lawrence

1133
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 1: has been. But he will never be in the same

1134
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: universe as mahomes Lamar Allen or Joe Burrow. I don't

1135
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: even think Andy Reid could make this guy a star.

1136
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm not even a hater. I'm a USC fan who

1137
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: wants him to succeed more than most people. But goddamn

1138
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: he is hard to watch. I've learned my lesson. You know,

1139
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: with young guys, I would say, more often than not,

1140
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: if you bet against young players. I guess I was

1141
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: going to try to make the analogy for all.

1142
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: Sports, but let's just stick to football.

1143
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: You know guys their rookie year who really really sucked.

1144
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: If you just bet on them not being a good player,

1145
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: you would be right way more often than you were wrong.

1146
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of examples of and I'm

1147
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: talking high picks, harder to judge, later round picks that

1148
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: you know they're in out of the line of not

1149
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: playing as much. But a first round pick, if you

1150
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: just said it, first round pick becomes a full time

1151
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: starter year one game one, plays the whole season and sucks.

1152
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I would say most players go on to not be good. Right. Usually,

1153
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I would say a large percentage of them pop right away.

1154
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: That are that the good ones? Right? You can see like,

1155
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: damn it's Michaeh. Parson's guy, Damn it is Nick Bosa, Miles, Garrett,

1156
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: Trent Williams, whoever. But there are a lot of examples

1157
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: of guys that struggle early and become really good players.

1158
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: So like what I bet my four oh one k,

1159
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: which is booming by the way, that he's going to

1160
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: not be a good player, I would not. I do

1161
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: think it's very very concerning though, when you struggle from

1162
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: within the pocket. So I think best case scenario for

1163
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: this to work, he's going to have to play a

1164
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: version of like Russell Wilson in Seattle. And clearly eber

1165
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: Flus didn't want him to play like that. He wanted

1166
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: him to be like a pocket quarterback. That's not what

1167
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: he is. You know. Part of a good coach and

1168
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: this is why eber Flus and Waldron are shitty coaches

1169
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: is like what does the guy do well, especially with

1170
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: a young player, Like, what does he do well? Whatever

1171
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: he does well, we need to figure out how to

1172
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: do that well. I don't know who I was listening to.

1173
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Did I read this or I listen I don't know.

1174
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: Some sports content somewhere is when Cliff became the offensive

1175
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: coordinator for Washington, and I don't know if it was

1176
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: after the draft or during the draft process, he spent

1177
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot of time at LSU with their coaching staff,

1178
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: and he really tried to hone in on the best

1179
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: plays Jaden ran as in the passing game and in

1180
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: the running game. And obviously some of those plays might

1181
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: not be in his playbook. What did he do? He's

1182
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: adapted those plays so Aiden can be successful. I never

1183
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: understand a coach who this is what we do, no

1184
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: matter what, and then you draft a player and then

1185
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: try to fit him into that scheme. Now, if you

1186
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: draft a player because you saw everything he did in

1187
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: college fits your scheme, okay, but Shane Waldron his offense

1188
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever he was asking Russell to do,

1189
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: which was much more drop back passing, is just not

1190
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: what he's gonna be. You need to get this guy

1191
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: in the move. I would say, some play action layups.

1192
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I would say, I would just get him moving, like

1193
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: dropping him back three five steps and have him feeling

1194
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: the pocket is not his strength right now and if

1195
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: it never is, then yes, he will never be a star.

1196
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: Because how did Lamar? I know Lamar wont an MVP early,

1197
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: but like, how did he become I would say these

1198
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 1: last couple of years, one of the best players we've

1199
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: ever seen in the regular season because he can dominate

1200
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: from within the pocket and he's comfortable within the pocket.

1201
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: That's one thing Russell could never do and a hard

1202
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: part for Russell. You couldn't see. You know, if Russell

1203
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: was six or four, would he be a better pocket passer?

1204
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: I believe he would. Well, what do you see when

1205
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: you watch Caleb Williams kind of looks short, Like I

1206
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: just feel like it's it hard for him to see.

1207
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: Where did Caleb measure in at the combine? I mean,

1208
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: he's a fraction over six ' one. A short offensive

1209
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: lineman is six y three, So when you factor in helmets,

1210
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: you know you got a lot of guys ahead of

1211
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: you that are six four and sixty five. Just difficult

1212
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, Drake May's big. I feel like

1213
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, I feel like he's not that much taller.

1214
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he is actually so. Jaden Daniels, Jaden Daniels is

1215
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,799
Speaker 1: more than two and a half inches taller than Caleb Williams,

1216
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: which doesn't sound like that much, but I think that's

1217
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal. I think that's a massive deal.

1218
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean, Jade Daniels a fraction below six foot four.

1219
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for like, what's Kyler doing well

1220
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: right now? Throwing on the run, Like what are the

1221
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: chances if you're a betting man right now? And who

1222
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: knows the way k Kyler's gotta stay healthy. But if

1223
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: Kyler stays healthy the next five years, I don't not

1224
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna win Super Bowls or even playoff games,

1225
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: but he's he's a good NFL player. Like you watch

1226
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: Kyler play, you go, He's got a lot of talent.

1227
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: It works. He can really play. And Kyler kind of

1228
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 1: good right away. Caleb's ever as good as Kyler Murray.

1229
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: And they're different players. I mean, Kyler is a much

1230
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: more explosive athlete. Uh, Caleb's taller, but you'd be like, well,

1231
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: everyone like circle jerks Caleb's arm. Well, I think Kyler

1232
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,879
Speaker 1: is is. Every bit is good. They got an issue,

1233
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: they do and the thing that will ruin them all

1234
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: is there were six quarterbacks drafted, and what did we

1235
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 1: say wouldn't happened? Well, if you just play the odds,

1236
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: three of them are gonna suck. It's hard to figure

1237
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: out because you never want to say this guy's gonna suck.

1238
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: This guy's gonna suck, but it is inevitable, it's unavoidable, unavoidable.

1239
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: So now you're watching, you're started doing the math. You're like, well,

1240
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Jaden, even if he's not this good,

1241
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be just pretty good. Right, And you go

1242
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: bo Nicks even if he's never gonna be a top

1243
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: five or six quarterback, like, he'll probably be a top

1244
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: fifteen quarterback. If you're a top fifteen quarterback Derek Carr's

1245
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: been starting in the NFL a decade, it's like, well,

1246
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: if you're a decade long starter and you make the

1247
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: playoffs a couple times, like, that's a hit. So you're like, well,

1248
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna miss It's early whatever bitcoin stock is right now,

1249
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know any bitcoin. Do own Cardono, which actually

1250
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: ripped lately in a couple of eve but right if

1251
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: you're a bitcoin holder right now, and especially, it's one thing.

1252
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: If you bought like in the last couple of years,

1253
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: it's been what anywhere between forty to sixty, so you

1254
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: still paid a lot if you own one full. Obviously

1255
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: you can buy fractions, but if you've just bought let's

1256
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: just say ten bitcoins. You would have to be really

1257
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: rich or have a lot of capital do that in

1258
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: the last couple of years if you just did it

1259
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: for yourself individually over the last year. So at eighty

1260
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: eight it feels really high, but it also depends where

1261
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: you bought it at. But if it's eighty eight thousand

1262
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: and you bought it at two grand, it's like, yeah,

1263
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: I spent ten thousand dollars about five coins. At two grand,

1264
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: you're feeling pretty good. You got about five hundred large

1265
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: in your crypto account. And that's what it felt like

1266
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams when they drafted him. It's like, got

1267
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: a stock sky Higks. Guy's going number one. This guy's

1268
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: a badass. It feels like his stock is I don't

1269
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: want to say it can get it's like hit rock

1270
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: bottom because it has not. I mean, we're only it's

1271
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: November twelfth, So if he continues to play like what

1272
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: we just witnessed, it could get worse. But it has plummeted.

1273
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: The worst stock I've ever purchased by a mile is

1274
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: this stock called Skills. It's basically a video game company.

1275
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm in for about seventy five large. The problem is

1276
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: when I open my e trade account, there's only about

1277
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: I looked the other day it was thirty eight hundred dollars,

1278
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: so you do the math. I'm down a lot. It's

1279
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: one of those I just tried it out to check

1280
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: very often. Luckily it doesn't change my life, but it does,

1281
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, hurt my soul, and it's it's a good

1282
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: learning lesson, and it sucks. I'm not rich enough to

1283
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: just seventy five grand disappears it's cool, I mean, it

1284
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. Pisses me off. It's like, why didn't you

1285
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: just put this in Costco or Amazon? Why why'd you

1286
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: overthink this? You know why I got greedy. I got

1287
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: greedy because I didn't want to turn that seventy five

1288
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: grand into one hundred and twenty grand. I wanted to

1289
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: turn it into like eight hundred grand. And I got.

1290
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get screwed. I got what I deserved. And

1291
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: it's something I'll think about the rest of my life.

1292
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: And I've thought a lot about it when I invest now.

1293
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: And that's just something I did within the last like

1294
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: three or four years, and it sucks. Sometimes I think

1295
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: about just if I can get it back to like

1296
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: eight grand, try to just take it out and just

1297
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: use that money to gamble on sports and just take

1298
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: an underdog one weekend, put that on an underdog and

1299
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: just try to grow it back. It's crossed my mind,

1300
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: but that's a I don't want to talk too much

1301
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: about it. I get too angry. But back to Caleb, Like,

1302
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, they spent a lot that number one pick,

1303
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: that trade, and now if like he was one hundred

1304
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: dollars stock I mean, what is he today? What is

1305
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: he today? It doesn't define your career. Stock Mart goes

1306
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: up and down, but he's probably like fifteen bucks, ten bucks.

1307
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: If they put Caleb on the open market, they would

1308
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: get dramatically less today than they would have three months ago.

1309
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: Obviously they're not going to, but like, what would the

1310
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: Raiders trade for Caleb Williams, Like they give their number

1311
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: one pick and hardpeat. They'd probably give their first end

1312
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: second round pick, but they wouldn't give like three ones

1313
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: for him, No chance you couldn't. That'd be insane. But

1314
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: in August, what would the Raiders have give if like, hey,

1315
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: the Bears were like, hey, we just drafted this guy,

1316
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: but we'll trade him to you give us your best offer.

1317
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean, what would they offer three ones? And DeVante?

1318
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: I mean they would offered a stupid amount. Things change fast.

1319
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: That's that's what I love about talking about football and

1320
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: players and coaches and teams, and so I love the

1321
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: stock market like I love the fluidity of all this,

1322
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: and we're dealing with humans. Things change so quickly. Things

1323
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: are up, things are down, like only the great players

1324
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: are like pretty consistently good every year, Like you're like, well,

1325
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: if TJ. Wats healthy, he's gonna be hot, he's gonna

1326
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: be at all pro like yep. Even some young players

1327
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: like a Sauce Gardner's the next what guy who was

1328
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: sweet that then by year three and four didn't look

1329
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: as good? Can we pump the brakes on some of

1330
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: the comps to Jalen Ramsey and Richard Sherman. Let's just

1331
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: see him have like three straight good years. That's how

1332
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: fast things change. And sometimes it's not all your fault.

1333
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: Younger players influenced by coaches, and you get derailed. Like

1334
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: I said, if you lose confidence, you get injured. But

1335
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: that's what makes this stuff so interesting. Back in June,

1336
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: I saw the Jets were favored by sportsbooks. In twelve

1337
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: of their seventeen games. I thought that was crazy and

1338
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: it offended me as a Bills fan. So as a

1339
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: fun bet, I threw one hundred dollars on their opponent's

1340
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: money line in every single one of their games, seventeen hundred.

1341
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: The man's got a little money. After Sunday's debacle in Phoenix,

1342
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: I now am up six hundred and seventy four dollars

1343
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: and I have never had more fun watching garbage football.

1344
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: So my question for the that's that's fucking awesome. That

1345
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: is that's why we do this. That is sweet. So

1346
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: my question for the pot is this. I know you

1347
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: put your money behind teams or coaches you highly respect,

1348
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: like with Debor in the Natty last year. Thanks for

1349
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: making me some money on that too. Final four Net

1350
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: Natty didn't go our way, but Final four was sweet.

1351
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: Have you ever faded or had a little respect for

1352
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: a team, coach, or player that you bet a large

1353
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: sum of money against them, regardless who they faced? Or alternatively,

1354
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: what was the most you blaze you placed mostly for

1355
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: fun that turned out to make you a lot of money.

1356
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: I would say the Washington is one of my all

1357
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: time like as much as it was for for Debor

1358
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: and Washington and the team that I thought was really

1359
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: good and how well coached they were with Ryan Grubb.

1360
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: It was a bet against Sark because at the time. Now,

1361
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: maybe SARK wins the National Championship this year, They're definitely

1362
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: gonna be in the mix. It's wide open. So my

1363
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: logic could change. Nil has changed the game. Their defense

1364
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: is better. But that bet, for as much as it

1365
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: was on Washington and their coaching staff and their head

1366
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: coach and their OC, it was a lot against Sark.

1367
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: It was a lot against Sark. I think sometimes in

1368
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know what you did, it's pretty genius

1369
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: and it worked out well for you. You gotta be

1370
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: careful about doing that, just it's such a thick league.

1371
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: You know. I was drinking on Saturday night and I

1372
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: just bet on the Panthers and I woke up. I

1373
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: was like, why did I do this? And when I

1374
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: woke up was ten oh un So I felt pretty good.

1375
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it can be very very

1376
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: difficult to just play that logic. In college sometimes it's easier,

1377
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: but then even like you're like, oh, Michigan, they're gonna

1378
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: get smoked by Indiana. Well, the bet was take Michigan

1379
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: because they covered. They lost my five. I think the

1380
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: way to do it like you did, unless betting on

1381
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: every game is shorting them on the season, taking their under. Yeah,

1382
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean I usually most of my bets are usually

1383
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: more based out of when I get aggressive positive, like

1384
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: glass half full, me believing in someone. Like last week,

1385
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: I had a pretty big bet on the Steelers because

1386
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,959
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, they're getting points this team against Washington,

1387
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: who hasn't really beat a good team, even though I

1388
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: like Washington. And I sweated that out and I actually

1389
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: cashed out on the final drive and ended up losing

1390
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: like fifty bucks because I was like, you know they're

1391
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: gonna have a walkoff few I'm out. And then when

1392
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: I cashed out right before they play to zach Ertz,

1393
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: who I thought they got lucky. I thought I got

1394
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 1: a first down. But whatever, I think it's easy. There's

1395
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: only so many opportunities. The way I viewed Washington in

1396
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: Texas last year, I don't have that feeling a lot.

1397
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: And when I've had that feeling over the course of

1398
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: my life, I have gone all in. I go back

1399
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: to college when I was watching my buddy's house over

1400
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: Christmas break and I watched the Giants play the Seven

1401
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: Paths and they easily could have won that game. I'll

1402
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: never forget being in my buddy Fry's house in this

1403
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: back TV room. He had a big screen TV and

1404
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: no seven you know those TVs. The they weren't like

1405
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: these eighty inch flat screens. They were like they looked

1406
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: like a suburban. And I just remember I thought the

1407
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: Giants were gonna beat him. And then Randy Moss catches

1408
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: the ball down the right sideline and I was like,

1409
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: I think this Giants team's pretty good. Like they match up.

1410
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: They were one of the only teams that matched up

1411
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: well with that pass team. And then somehow they made

1412
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: it to the Super Bowl. And I took all the

1413
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: money I had. I can't remember the exact amount, probably

1414
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: somewhere between like fourteen hundred and seventeen hundred, and I

1415
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: put it, you know, at the time in eight. I

1416
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: guess it would have been, you know, January of eight

1417
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: or February of eight. I don't even know what the

1418
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: site would have been bet at all. And I convinced

1419
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: a buddy to do like the same. He put like

1420
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: a grand which at the time might as well have

1421
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: been like the equivalent of one hundred grand to me.

1422
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: And we watched that game by ourselves in the living

1423
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: room and it was fucking glorious. So I would say.

1424
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: The other time I did it was when the Super

1425
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: Bowl was in San Francisco, Caroline against Denver. I'll never

1426
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: forget one. I had seen Denver play because I was

1427
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: doing the Raiders post game, so I had seen them

1428
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: live for a couple of years, and I just remember thinking, like, listen,

1429
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: I I'm not Belichick. I haven't been, you know, watch

1430
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: studying this league for fifty years. But in my short

1431
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: time around football at the time, it was you know,

1432
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: six or seven years around the NFL, seeing teams live

1433
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: like all over the league, AFC, NFC, I was like,

1434
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: this is this defense is pretty top notch. Their defensive

1435
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: line was incredible. It had DeMarcus Ware von Miller, Malik

1436
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: Jackson who was a baller, and Derek Wolf who was

1437
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: also a baller, all four of their starters. I mean,

1438
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: von Miller's a Hall of Famer. Where's a Hall of Famer?

1439
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: The two inside guys when they were healthy were dominant.

1440
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: Their secondary was elite. It had a keep to lead.

1441
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: They had drafted Roby and they had Chris Harris. So

1442
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: they had three high end corners and the one guy

1443
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: who could play the slot was awesome and honest all

1444
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: three could play the slot if you had to. And

1445
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: then their their safeties. Uh, I forget the big hitting

1446
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: safety they had, but he would, he would? Who were

1447
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: there two safeties they were? They were big hitters. And

1448
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like, you know, I kept watching the

1449
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: Panthers walk around town that week, like Monday through Saturday,

1450
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: and they were kind of screwing around, and I remember thinking,

1451
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like one team's a little more

1452
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: focused than the other. I remember that really stood out

1453
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: to me. I thought like, I don't really love the

1454
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: focus of the Panthers. Now. I didn't think Cam was

1455
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: gonna have such a bad day, but I did. Oh

1456
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: TJ Ward was a safety. TJ Ward would hit you

1457
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: so hard. He was one of the harder hitting safety.

1458
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Webster. Yeah, I mean they had oh

1459
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: Darien Stewart. Now, I just remember thinking like, I just

1460
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: think this Denver Bronco defense is elite. Peyton couldn't throw,

1461
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: but it was like, I don't think that Denver or

1462
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: Caroline's gonna be able to run and score on them.

1463
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: So I bet at the time three or four grand,

1464
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: which was an astronomical amount of money for me at

1465
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: the time, and it was all the money I had,

1466
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: and I remember feeling pretty good about it, and I

1467
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: went and it was awesome, and then Cam didn't jump

1468
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: on the play. It was sweet. I remember getting drunk

1469
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: and just I was so happy that I've been I've

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Speaker 1: made a couple of huge bets on Super Bowls that

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Speaker 1: have been pretty special in gambling, and especially a game

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Speaker 1: like I didn't care like I'm not a Bronco guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not definitely not a Panther guy, but being at

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl having money on one team and that

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Speaker 1: team dominating the game. Now, listen, I'm a forty nine

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Speaker 1: er guy. I bet a lot of money on them

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Speaker 1: last year. That really sucked. And I rooted for Andy

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen when he played the Niners, and listen,

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Speaker 1: I've been a forty nine er since I could walk.

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Speaker 1: But I just, you know, knowing Andy, I knew how

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Speaker 1: much just that meant for his legacy, and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I was cool, and it was weird. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: any money on that game, but I found myself kind

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Speaker 1: of rooting for the guy, and when it ended, I

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Speaker 1: was really happy that was not the case. He'd already

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Speaker 1: won two, he didn't need the third. Uh, And I

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Speaker 1: had five g's riding on it to try to break

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Speaker 1: even from the Ravens the previous week. God, that was ugly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle just Kyle just can't beat Andy. What

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Speaker 1: are you gonna say? Audios, have a great day, See

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Speaker 1: guys tomorrow. The volume