1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: we're joined by Senator Eric Schmidt, author of the new 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: book The Last Line of Defense, How to Beat the 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Left in Court. From exposing big tech censorship in Missouri 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: versus Biden, to fighting woke ideology and open borders, he 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: shares battle tested strategies for conservative victories in court. 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: So we'll dive into his book. We'll tackle the Russia hoax. 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: We'll also explore why the courts are the ultimate battleground 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: for America's freedoms. Let's get to it with Senator Eric Schmidt. Well, 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Senator Eric Schmid, it's great to. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Have you on. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: We were just talking about how I had you on 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: when you were the Missouri Attorney General and then also 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: after you've been elected. So it's great to see all 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the amazing things that you've been doing. And I'm looking 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: forward to digging into this book that you're out with now. 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: So appreciate you making the time, sir. 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great to be back with you, Lisa. 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: So do you think it'd be fair? 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: So the book's The Last Line of Defense, How to 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: Beat the Left in court. Is it fair to say 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: that the left is more litigious than the right tends 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: to be? 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, And I think for a long 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 4: time conservatives kind of seated a lot of that territory. 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: I mean, look, the more lawyers are left leaning than 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: right landing for a long time, even when I was 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 4: in law school in the late nineties or stil this 30 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: discussion of a living constitution, all this nonsense. But I 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 4: think conservatives now and why I wrote the book the 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 4: last line of defense, we need to be prepared to 33 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 4: fight on all fronts, and the courtroom is another one 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 4: of those fronts. So you've got the legislative fights that 35 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 4: are always out there, You've got the court of public opinion. 36 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: Of course, you've got the executive branch. But the courts, 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: I think are really important. And what this book is 38 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 4: the Last line of Defense, How you beat the left 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: in court, which you can get on Amazon right now. 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: It's really kind of a field manual from the front 41 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: lines of the battle against the left wing law fair machine. 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: And when I was Attorney general in Missouri, so when 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: President Trump was out of office and you saw the 44 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: COVID lockdowns and the vaccine mandates and the. 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: Open borders and the. 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: DEI struggle, sessions, and the ESG requirements and the censorship regime. 47 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 4: We stood up and we fought back and we won. 48 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 4: We took the vaccine mandate case the Supreme Court, we won. 49 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: We had the student on debt forgiveness scam that would 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 4: cost half a trillion dollars of taxpayers. 51 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: We took that to the Supreme Court. We won. 52 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: We filed in Missouri versus Biden, which was the censorship case. 53 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: They exposed it before Elon Musket even bought Twitter. And 54 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: so this book really is kind of a playbook for 55 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: how we fight back and how we win the future. 56 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: So it's about those stories. It's about what was it. 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: Like to take the deposition of Anthony Fauci, What came 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: out of that, Elvis Chan, who was this FBI agent 59 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: who was pre bunking the Hunter Biden laptop story even 60 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: though they had it in lining these social media companies, 61 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: What was all that like the landscape, what did it 62 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: look like, and what were some of the decisions we 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: made to fight back. But more importantly, I think it 64 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: just sort of it puts the marker down that for 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: conservatives in the future, we got to be willing to. 66 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: And this isn't written for lawyers. I mean, I hope 67 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: lawyers read it. I hope ags read it, but this 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: is really for you know, your audience, the people who 69 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: were engaged every day kind of a behind the scenes 70 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: view of what this thing's all about. 71 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a lawyer, so that's good, we're not. 72 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: So I always appreciate things being in layman's terms, you know, 73 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: talk about I believe it was Missouri versus Biden, the 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: you know what you had reference previously with the Biden 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: walk us through, like the censorship that you were saying, 76 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: and sort of what we discovered through your lawsuit against 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the Biden administration over censorship. 78 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: Well, if you remember, you know, just something seemed off. 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: You would see Jim Jimsaki at the podium saying things 80 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: like we're flagging this for Facebook, and Biden would say 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: things like they need to do more, they're killing people. 82 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: And then they floated this idea of a disinformation Governance board. 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: You remember this as just Orwellian where the government was 84 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: going to decide what the truth was and what you 85 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: could see here. And so we figured this was kind 86 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: of the tip of the iceberg. So we just made 87 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: a decision. I, as a trained general, said you know 88 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: what we're going to do. We're going to sue these 89 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: people for violating the first of them rights of citizens 90 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: because they have to be censoring people. 91 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: And so we gathered all the public data that was 92 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: out there, all. 93 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: The statements, what we knew, we knew people had been deplatformed, 94 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: and what we sought then a strategic decision. Normally, when 95 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: you follow lawsuit like that and you're trying to stop 96 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: the government from doing something, you seek an injunction right 97 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: away that basically tells them they have to stop. What 98 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: we did instead was we knew we were going to 99 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: be called conspiracy theorists. We knew it was going to 100 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: be labeled a lawsuit just to get attention or something 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: like that. So we asked the court for discovery first, 102 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: and the court granted it. And what we found was shocking. 103 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: And this was when my eyes were really kind of 104 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: opened up, because we got documents, emails, text messages, read 105 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: thousands of pages of this stuff where there were these 106 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: special secret portals set up between high rank and government 107 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: officials and senior executives at Facebook at Twitter telling them 108 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: you need to take this down and they. 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: Go do it. 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: You had the CDC giving words and phrases to these 111 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: social media companies if this is uttered deep platform throttle 112 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: these people. I mean, so we all know that the 113 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: government can't do that, right the government. The first amend 114 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 4: protects the government from doing it, But they also can't 115 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 4: outsource that either. And that's what we discovered in this case. 116 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: It was really mind blowing, and it was this leviathan 117 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: of agencies. 118 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: It wasn't just one person. 119 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 4: This was the CDC, this was SISA, which is the 120 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: Cybersecurity arm, it was the FBI, it was the White House, 121 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: and they're you know, they're just working methodically to suppress 122 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: American's speech and that's illegal in this country. And so 123 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 4: we decided to do something about it. And then of course, 124 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 4: you know, Elon Musk buys Twitter and you got the 125 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: Twitter files, and then we have congressional hearings. But before 126 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 4: any of that, it took our lawsuit and the discovery 127 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: to kind of flesh a lot of this out, and 128 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 4: we took some depositions along the way, which is. 129 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Also sort of ironic, but I'm sure kind of gives 130 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: you a chuckle. And you hear the left now talking 131 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: about Texas redistricting, which is something that's happening right now 132 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: that like that's a threat to democracy, but not what 133 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: you just outlined. 134 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: The whole point about it law. 135 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 4: And that's also I talk about in the last line 136 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: of defense. 137 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: The book that you can get on Amazon is they 138 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: have their own playbook, right and COVID. 139 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: If anything, I believe that power doesn't necessarily corrupt, but 140 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: power does reveal, and I think COVID in particular expose 141 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: the worst tendencies as kind of petty totalitarianism of the 142 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: left of what they would do if they had control. 143 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 4: You got to remember, like if you take the DeLorean 144 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: back in time, here, like there was police tape around 145 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: playgrounds like they were you know, we see some school 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: districts of fifty plus school districts in Missouri to stop 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: their mask mandates for kids and to punish kids who 148 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: then didn't want to wear masks, they would put them 149 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 4: in the middle of the gym on a stage to 150 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: launched by themselves. Like these are grown adults doing this stuff, 151 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 4: and it's totally wild, it's totally crazy. But their playbook 152 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: is you have an emergency, real or imagined, you aggregate power, 153 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: you do the other ring of people who disagree with you, 154 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: and then you silence the send. And so it's up 155 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: to us to see when that's happening and have the 156 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: courage to stand up. I think what people are really 157 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: looking for are just kind of rit large here, is 158 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: they want authentic leadership. And to this day, Lisa in Missouri, 159 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: when I'm like at the grocery store or a ballgame 160 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: or something, what the most common comment I will get, 161 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: other than you're really tall, is. 162 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: You aren't really tall though, right, but is. 163 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for standing up for our kids. You know, 164 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: like that was a weird time and not a lot 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: of people wanted to kind of stand out, and we 166 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: sue these school districts and kids and parents will really 167 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: appreciative of that. But anyway, so it's just kind of 168 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: lessons learned from that. But more importantly, we've got our 169 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: own playbook now and we want and I wanted to 170 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: share that in the book Last Line of Defense, how 171 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: to Beat the Left and Court. 172 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Well, and we're saying the left really try to use 173 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: at least particularly I mean, I know there's a Supreme 174 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Court ruling about it, but really trying to use some 175 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: of these injunctions, these nationwide injunctions to shut down President Trump, 176 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: particularly on what he's trying to do with the border 177 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: and like deport all these illegal aliens that were allowed 178 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: under the past four years of the bid adminstration. I know, 179 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson, I think it was in two thousand. Merch 180 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five said that something like seventy percent 181 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: of all injunctions against presidents since two thousand were against 182 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: President Trump, and ninety two percent of those were from 183 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Democrat appointed judges. So like, how do we counter that, 184 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, countering the left really trying to 185 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: use the courts to shut down President Trump's immigration efforts. 186 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: It's a great question, and if people are interested in that, 187 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: I do think the book will be illuminating because I 188 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: think that the central issue in fighting back, because you've 189 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: got to be tough to do it. You've got to 190 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: fight back like this Solstener General of the United States now. 191 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: John was my solicitor general in Missouri. So we're populating 192 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: the ranks now with people who know how to fight 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 4: and win. And I think President Trump was the one 194 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: that ushered in this kind of new era of the 195 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 4: Republican Party. Anyway of being tough and fighting back. But 196 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: the good news is, even though you will see some 197 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: of those district court random district court decisions, by and large, 198 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 4: as those cases have made their way up to the 199 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: appellate courts and certainly the Supreme Court, that they've been struck down. 200 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 4: So whether it's on programming or personnel, think of like 201 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: USAID stuff or the ability to fire people, they can 202 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: do that. And the courts have weighed in on that. Immigration, 203 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: on deportations, remember they made a big deal with Judge 204 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: Bosberg and all that. But ultimately the Supreme Courts slapped 205 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: those guys down and they can move forward with deportations. 206 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: And then on nationwide injunctions, the Supreme Court about a 207 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: month ago said, yeah, can't you've been abusing these nationwide injunctions. 208 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 4: That's not what these are fords for the parties involved, 209 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 4: not one district court judge in a corner of the 210 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: country deciding policy or foreign policy for that matter, for 211 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: the President of the United States and the whole country. 212 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 4: So I think what's happened is people have wised up. 213 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 4: We're not afraid to fight. We have a composition now 214 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: in the courts of enough judges in key positions that 215 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: rule on the law as it is, not how they 216 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: want it to be. 217 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: And that's a huge shift from thirty years ago. 218 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: Like thirty years ago, you still had a really liberal 219 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: Supreme Court that believed in a living constitution that it 220 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 4: just meant whatever you wanted to mean. In the left 221 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: and the Democrats knew they had a super legislator at 222 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: the end of the day that would just try to 223 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: arrive at a result. That has changed. And so since 224 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: that's changed, we got to know what the rules are 225 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: and we got to know how to fight back. And 226 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 4: again that's what the Last Line of Defense book is 227 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 4: all about. 228 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: I agreed on fighting power with power, and I think 229 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: that's something that you know, we didn't do as much. 230 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: And you're right, like President Trump sort of introduced this 231 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: more like muscular conservatism, you know you did as Attorney 232 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: general in Miserury. And we're seeing that from Governor DeSantis 233 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: as well and some of these other red state governors, 234 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: really fighting power with power. But I guess, you know, 235 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: my only concerned about all of it, and I just wonder, 236 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: like how much are we see getting too much power 237 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: to like the judiciary, and you know, like does Congress 238 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: need to step up and take back control of powers 239 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: because obviously like separation of powers, it's very important, and 240 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, I worry that like judges are sort of 241 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: dictating laws in the country versus Congress, and so like 242 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: I guess what's your you know, like what do you 243 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: make of that? 244 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: And like what can we do? 245 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like if are we blurring 246 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: sort of like the separation of powers here? 247 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 4: Like think of it this point here. Yeah, here's how 248 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: think about I think there's two points to make. The 249 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: first is if you really think about what these fights 250 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 4: are about that end up in the judiciary. Like, let's 251 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: just take the student loan to deff forgiveness case. Right, 252 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: we saw we had standing because Missouri had a student 253 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: loan servicing agency that the bureaucrats didn't what means sue. 254 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 4: It didn't matter I suit anyway because I was a 255 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: training general and you could do it. But we sued 256 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: we had standing, and we want what would we really 257 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: doing there? It wasn't the court saying that the president 258 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: it's a good idea or not. They were saying Congress 259 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: hasn't passed the law that gives you the ability to 260 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: do it. So to your point, that's Actually, what we 261 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: are fighting for, what the Democrats are fighting for in 262 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: the judicial system, is for one judge to say, yeah, 263 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: it doesn't really matter if Congress said something or not. 264 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 3: We're deciding that this is the right thing to do. 265 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: If you listen to Judge Justice Jackson, and you know, 266 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: and even her own liberal colleagues on the Supreme Court 267 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: or criticize her, she basically just wants to kind of 268 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: weigh in on policy matters. That's not the role of 269 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: a judge, you know, that's not the role of judge. 270 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 4: So I think we are fighting for what does the 271 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 4: Constitution say about this, What do the laws pass by 272 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: the legislature, the Congress say about it? 273 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: It's an expression of will to people. 274 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: The second part of the answer, I think is Congress 275 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 4: does need to do a better job of sort of 276 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 4: reasserting itself. Think of the administrative state that's gained so 277 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 4: much power over the years. Part of that's because Congress 278 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 4: has said, oh, I voted for the greatest bill in 279 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 4: the world, but I can't believe this agency did that. 280 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 4: So one of the things we need to do is 281 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: make our laws more prescriptive, not give us much deference 282 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: or authward to these agencies, because if you think about it, 283 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: it's really counter to the to the idea of our republic. 284 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: Our republic's based on self government and accountability. If you 285 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: hand over so much responsibility to a faceless bureaucrat that 286 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 4: nobody's ever heard of, that person's not accountable to anybody. 287 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: So I think to be true to kind of our 288 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: founding and what this separation power is all about, the 289 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: article one branch or, Congress needs to be more specific 290 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 4: and if an agency, by the way, wants to do something, 291 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: Congress should have to red lighted or green light it, 292 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: right Like if you say we want to regulate this 293 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: because it's going to have this kind of economic impact 294 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 4: before it can go intof fect, Congress should should have 295 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: to vote on it. And that's a more structural reform 296 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: that's harder to get to. But the right answer. 297 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick commercial break more with 298 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: Center Eric Schmidt. On the other side, Justice Brown kind 299 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: of lost me when she couldn't define what a woman 300 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: is like I tend to ignore people who you know 301 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: or as a nonsensical is that But on the student 302 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: loan forgiveness, I mean Biden knew, I mean, don't you 303 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: think that Biden knew that inevitably a court would strike 304 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: it down. 305 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: Like it was just it was for like with a 306 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: glant election ploy. 307 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Right, it was just to try to get younger voters 308 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: to say, hey, look I'm doing this before. I think 309 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: it was before the midterms if I remember correctly, it was, right, 310 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't it Like it was kind of like a cynical 311 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: election ploy. 312 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: Right? It was. 313 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: And in the book Last Line of Defense, I start 314 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: the chapter by talking about when people run for class president, 315 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: the things that they promise. That's kind of what it 316 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: was like. But but remember what he said with the 317 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: Supreme Court when we won. He said, well, the Supreme 318 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: Court said I couldn't. I'm gonna do it anyway, So 319 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: he tried to kind of get around it. So for 320 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: all of the like President Trump's not going to follow 321 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: court orders, which of course he has followed every single 322 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: court order, Biden was the one saying, I'm just going 323 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 4: to ignore it. But yeah, I think it was an 324 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: election ploy. 325 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: But here's the. 326 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: Truth of the matter, which we get into in the 327 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 4: book too, is that case the Supreme Court oral arguments, 328 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: it all came down to standing, like does somebody have 329 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: the right to sue who has been injured by this 330 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: right who has been injured by it because you have 331 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: that's what standing is. 332 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: And if Missouri, if we would not. 333 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: Have filed that lawsuit the case, would they would have 334 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: let it go like it would have happened, because it 335 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: would say, well, nobody has standing who's brought a lawsuit 336 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: against and that we can rule against Biden on. But 337 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: because we had a loan servicing agency that we argued 338 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: was going to lose money because if you wipe away 339 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: all this student loan debt, you know, that's what this 340 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 4: entity does. That gave us standing and that's why we won. 341 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of the cool part about 342 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 4: the book. The last line of defense that people can 343 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: order right now is it breaks down some of those 344 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 4: things that you know, like are kind of in passing. 345 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: In a twenty four hour news cycle, but kind of. 346 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: Breaks down like why did that happen and what are 347 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 4: the implications of that moving forward? 348 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, I know one issue that you address that 349 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: we've sort of seen in an alarming way is wilk 350 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: ideology in schools, and you know, depending on the state 351 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: and depending on the school system, you know, where they're 352 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: like kids can go to a teacher and be like 353 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm trans and like the teachers are not going to 354 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: go and tell the parent and just sort of like 355 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: this lack of parental rights and parents being sort of, 356 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, kept out of the business of their kids. 357 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: It's really like this fight over who owns the kids? 358 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: Right is is it like the state? Is that the 359 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: school or the parents? So I guess what do you 360 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: talk about in the book there? And like what can 361 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: parents try to do to reclaim their power over their 362 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: own kids. 363 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: Well, I'll just give you an example. This is in 364 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: Middle America. This is in Springfield, Missouri. Okay, this is 365 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: not like New York City. This is Springfield, Missouri. Some 366 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: parents were concerned that, like some of this stuff was 367 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: happening in their schools, this kind of woke ideology, and 368 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: they asked for documents from the school, like, hey, was 369 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: there some presentation about this in the school district? 370 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: Wouldn't give it to them. 371 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: A state legislator then said, hey, I would like to 372 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: see these two and they said, well, that's going to 373 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: cost you one hundred and twenty thousand dollars for all 374 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: the printing costs. Right, That's how we became aware of it, 375 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: and then once we found out about it, I said, okay, 376 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 4: well we're in charge of enforcing these laws, you're going 377 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: to provide the documents. And then once once we found 378 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: what was actually being part of this this these trainings, 379 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: it was again as shocking. There there are teachers essentially 380 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: being taught to divide the room by race that they 381 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: wanted to They wanted to push down this oppression matrix, 382 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: all these kind of like the gender person man and 383 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 4: all this kind of weird stuff that they wanted to 384 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: keep hidden from parents. And I think by the act 385 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: of us exposing it and we sued them for hiding it, 386 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: it turned over that school board like that was the power. 387 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: Of the information. 388 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 4: And if you think about it, that no investigative journalist 389 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 4: from you know, a liberal rag was going to pursue that. 390 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: We had to do it in the AG's office because 391 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: they know their their interests are aligned. They're the you know, 392 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: the left coalition, which you know, like during COVID when 393 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 4: we would sue for mass mandates, they would say, you know, 394 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: they would have some quote unquote verified team or fact 395 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 4: checkers say well, actually, masks are very effective, and they 396 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: had no studies to back it up, right, They had nothing, 397 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: and I was being interviewed by reporters who literally were 398 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: still not allowed in the newsroom. They were in their 399 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: cars with masks on their face, interviewing me about, you know, 400 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: trying to get school districts to stop force masking kids. 401 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 4: They were asking me questions like why are you trying 402 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 4: to harm children? And it was just a wild and 403 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: crazy time. And I don't think we should forget about it, 404 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 4: Like I think there's a tendency to kind of like 405 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: memory hohole all that stuff, But we shouldn't because that's 406 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: what they did with a little bit of power that 407 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 4: they had at that moment. And we're on the other 408 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 4: side of the fever dream now. But part of the 409 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 4: reason why I wrote the Last Line of Defense, How 410 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: to Beat the Left and Court, was that we got 411 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: to document this and we have to have a playbook 412 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 4: because it won't be the last time you referenced this 413 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: threat to democracy thing. Look, they justified unprecedented lawfare against 414 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: the former president who as soon to be President again, 415 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, to go after him, to try to throw 416 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 4: him in jail for the rest of his life, to 417 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: bankrupt his family, all because he was a quote unquote 418 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: threat to democracy was all bs. But that's their playbook, 419 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: and if we want to win, we got to know 420 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: how to fight. 421 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: So that's why we wrote the book. 422 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: And I want to get to that point in just 423 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: a moment. But something I just thought of with COVID. 424 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: So I had Senator Ram paul on and he said 425 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: that Bryden signed Anthony Fauci's pardon with an autopen, and 426 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: so if he wants the Department of Justice to charge 427 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Fauci for lying before Congress and test the autopen on 428 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: the pardon theory in court in the courts, what do 429 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: you make of that strategy? 430 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: Is that sort of like a plausible. 431 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: Direction that all of this like Biden investigation stuff will 432 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: go in or you know what? 433 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I chaired the subcommittee on the Constitution in 434 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: the Judiciary Committee. We actually had a hearing on the autopen. 435 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: We were the first ones to have a hearing. You know, 436 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 4: there's a lot of people looking at it. DOJ's looking 437 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 4: at it, the House looking at it, the Senate's looking 438 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: at it. And the central question is, well, there is 439 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: two One is no president has ever done prospective pardons, right, Like, 440 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 4: basically he was pardoning family members and other people in 441 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: his administration for things. 442 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 3: That they hadn't been charged with. That's never been done before. 443 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: So the power of a president to pardon is pretty expansive, 444 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: but it probably doesn't include that, and he was doing that. 445 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: But to your question specifically, we you know, had experts 446 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: in their field coming and talk about it. Think of 447 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 4: it this way, like if you have a contentious family 448 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 4: dynamic and the matriarch or the patriarch passes away and 449 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: you have a will, a dispute about the will, right, 450 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: the most important question that's going to be asked, and 451 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: there's some change in the will at the last minute, 452 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: like the deathbed kind of changed, You're going to ask, well, 453 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: was that person of sound mind? Did they know what 454 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: they were doing? And if the answer to that is no, 455 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: it's null and void, right, it doesn't. It's the change, 456 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: doesn't it did not effect suited. The same would be 457 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 4: true here with the autopin, like if he doesn't know 458 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 4: what he's doing, that would that would negate the pardons. 459 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 4: And then also you know we are we are actually 460 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: seeking documents from the archivist, who happens to be Marco 461 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: Rubio by the way, right now, he's got like a. 462 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: Thousand, so many jobs. 463 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 4: I saw him itself, so I got a letter coming 464 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: your way, not as Secretary of State, but as the 465 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 4: archivist of the United States. 466 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: He's lucky, he's lucky. He looks so young. He's a 467 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: lot of jobs. 468 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 4: But basically, there should be a paper trail, like for 469 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: every time that autopin was used, there should be a 470 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: paper trail what for. And there's some speculation. I actually 471 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: I think a whistleblower has come forward and said that 472 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: he was just being presented, like here are the kinds 473 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: of things you would be signing for, like and not 474 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 4: individual pardons. Well, individual that's very important because when you're 475 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 4: pardoning somebody like he did for murder or rape or whatever, like, 476 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: it's about that individual instance. Like it's not like you 477 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: pardon everyone who ever got a conviction for marijuana possession 478 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 4: or something, right Like, it's got to be about the person. 479 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: So that's another reason why I think what they were 480 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: doing at the end was so flawed and right for 481 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: legal challenge because we just never saw anything like it, 482 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: and you probably had this, you know, the staffer competition. 483 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 4: You know, at the end of like what you could 484 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: actually get autopen to sign what crazy nonsense? Could you 485 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 4: actually get the autopen to sign? And who knows that 486 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: Biden was even knew what was going on, which is. 487 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: You know, really concerning. 488 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: And also just concerning, like obviously this is the guy 489 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: who's like, you know, in charge of the nuclear codes and. 490 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like yeah, like world War three, right. 491 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got no idea like who he doesn't 492 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: even know his name? You know, it's like, well weekend 493 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: at Bernie's presidency, you know, on the weaponization of government 494 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: against President Trump and all the documents that have been 495 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: put out with it from the Trump administration about the 496 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: Russia hoax. 497 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: Do you think, I mean, is anything ever going to 498 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: be done about it? Though? 499 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: Because I mean I know that there are like, you know, indictments. 500 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's be any indictments, but there's 501 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: been there are what are the criminal charge it referred 502 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: criminal charges or whatever it is. But like, do you 503 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: think anything's actually going to be done about it? Because 504 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: I think, like so many people are used to like 505 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: all this chatter and noise, and we hype things up, 506 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: and we over promise and we underdeliver, and then the 507 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: base is just really frustrated feeling like they've kind of 508 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: been had you know, Yeah. 509 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 4: No, I I yes, I get that question a lot, 510 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: and I do think knowing what we know now from 511 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: the disclosures from. 512 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: Tulsa Gabbard, which, by the way, if you. 513 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: Want to understand why they were so hell bent on 514 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: President Trump never getting back in office again. 515 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: This would be exhibit A because they knew they had 516 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: something to hide. 517 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 4: It could also explain by the way the mar Lago 518 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: raid that they were so obsessed with with guns drawn 519 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: and going through the first ladies, you know, underwear drawer 520 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 4: like it's crazy. But answer your question, yeah, I think 521 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: there should be indictments, and I think they probably will come. 522 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: And now you know, from the legal perspective, Biden probably has. 523 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: An immunity from the Trump case from when he was 524 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 4: in office, and then you have the key player, but 525 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: there's no immunity for like a presidential candidate. There's no 526 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: which was what Hillary Clinton. There's no immunity for Clapper, 527 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: there's no immunity for Brennan, and there's no immunity for Comy. 528 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: I would say those three are the most likely. 529 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 4: If there's going to be indictments, and I think there 530 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: should be that would get pulled into that, and the 531 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: theory would go, yeah, the statute of limitations may have expired. 532 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: But a conspiracy charge is different. Conspiracy is when you 533 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 4: like the fuse here and something happens much further down 534 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 4: the road and you don't even necessarily have to be 535 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: intricately involved with what happened at the end of the rainbow. 536 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: But if you began this. 537 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 4: Conspiracy to defraud the people of the United States, I 538 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,120 Speaker 4: think they can and probably should be held accountable to that. 539 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 4: And I think that's what we're gonna see. 540 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 541 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like giving insight in field he 542 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 4: or anything. I just suspect that there's enough out there 543 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: now in that indictments are gonna come in. 544 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: Criminal referral is what I was trying to think of. 545 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: And you know, and the more logo thing was really interesting. Well, 546 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: one I loved how Milania Trump, like if your guys, 547 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: so you might not have paid as much attention to this, 548 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: but like during her first inauguration, she has this like 549 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: really beautiful, like soft blue like Ralph Lauren outfit, and 550 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: like looked really happy and cheery and like you know, 551 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: light and then during this last inauguration, she'd like the 552 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: VS for Vendetta hat and this like super tailor and 553 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: suit and like even in her first lady portrait this 554 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: time around, she's like at the desk in a suit, 555 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: like looking like I'm you know, I'm coming for you, 556 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: Like I've got your number right. So it's like you 557 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: can just see the difference between like her first the 558 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: first inauguration, the way she was dressed and interacting. Even 559 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: her first portrait, like she's like smiling, it's all like 560 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: soft and hat and then like the second one, it's like, 561 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, you mess with. 562 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: The wrong family. 563 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the difference in his two portraits, like you know, 564 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: the side by side on his two portraits, and then 565 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 4: of course you had the mug shot in between, which 566 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 4: was like this great rallying cry. I mean, I think 567 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 4: they they still can't. This part explains partly why the 568 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: Democrats are so lost. They put they went all in 569 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 4: on trying to demonize half the country and essentially destroy Trump, 570 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: his family and MAGA, and they lost. Like they went 571 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: all in on that, that was their streat, and they lost. 572 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 4: And now they didn't just lose the electoral map, they 573 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 4: lost the popular vote and. 574 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 3: Now they don't know what to do. 575 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: They don't have a messenger, they don't have a message, 576 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: and they're still trying to kind of like deal with 577 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 4: the Trump Arrangement syndrome. 578 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 3: And I don't think they've hit rock bottom yet. 579 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 4: And I think again, President Trump has taught us what 580 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: it means to kind of fight back in this historic comeback. 581 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: And you know, like I said, you know, when I 582 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: was Attorney General Missouri and you know, he was out 583 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: of office and. 584 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: We had to kind to hold the line. 585 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 4: That's kind of how viewed my job in hindsight now 586 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 4: and right about in the last line of defense how 587 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: to beat the left and court, which you can get 588 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 4: on Amazon, is it was a crazy time and we 589 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: held the line until the cavalry could arrive. And that's 590 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 4: what happened in November twenty twenty four. The people spoke up, 591 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 4: and thank god, they did well. 592 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: And I think the problem for the left too is 593 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: they were exposed as hypocrites because then we found out 594 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden had all these classified documents and like, including 595 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: from his time in the Senate, which is like really 596 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: really illegal because he must have probably taken them out 597 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: of like a skiff and he didn't have the authority 598 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: to declassify, Like you know, president is the ultimate declassifier 599 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: or classifier of documents, and so like, you know, the 600 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: I feel like the Trump stuff was more gray area 601 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: because you know, the president does have the ultimate authority, 602 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: but then he also had classified documents from being a 603 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: vice president who doesn't have the same authority. 604 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, and then. 605 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: They basically like coordinated with Biden's team, and like there 606 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: was no show of force, there was no like showing 607 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: up guns blazing, and like what he did was that 608 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: thousand times worse than the gray area that they try 609 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: to put President Trump in. 610 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, well and think about it. It was also in 611 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 4: his garage. These boxes were in a garage. Well, hunter 612 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 4: Biden was standing like the guy who could have been 613 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: compromised by foreign governments, you know, like that's just another 614 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: layer to it. And if you remember the only well 615 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: what they said was the reason they didn't charge him 616 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: was is he wasn't competent to stand trial. Like that's 617 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: what Robert Hurr said, He said, this guy's too far 618 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: gone to stand trial. I mean, yet he was still 619 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: president United States. And so at the time I wrote 620 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: a letter calling on all the cabinetmbers, you know, to 621 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 4: invoke the twenty fifth Amendment, because if he can't stand trial, like, 622 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: how is he making these important decisions. Of course, they 623 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: did nothing, which then was later exposed, you know, in 624 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: the debate, and they were hiding all this from the 625 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: American people. You know, you had again that the three 626 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 4: days after President Trump announces he's running again, what happens. 627 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: You have Assistant DA in Atlanta meet with the White 628 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 4: House Council. You have the number three person of DJ 629 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: go to Alvin Bragg's office, you have Jack Smith appointed 630 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 4: and goes down this to try to throw him in jail. 631 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it was a very coordinated effort to make 632 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 4: sure this man never got back into the White House. 633 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 4: And I just think they still can't believe it happened. 634 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: And I was an earlier in early indoors for a 635 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 4: President Trump, maybe the first or second senator. And the 636 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: reason why, first of all, I think that the man 637 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 4: connects in such a unique way with the American people. 638 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 4: And I went up to his trial in New York 639 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: and I went back with him to Butler after the 640 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: second time. And it is a singular political figure I've 641 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 4: never seen anything like it. I mean, I just turned fifty, 642 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: so it's young for the Senate, but I don't know 643 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: how young that really is. So I just never see 644 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: anything like it. And I think his connection with the 645 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: American people is pretty unique. And what we're able to 646 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: do now, think about it in Congress, to hold these 647 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 4: very slim majorities, to move an agenda, it's really because 648 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: of his ability to come back and harness the hopes 649 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: and the desires of the American people. And I think 650 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: everyone's responding to that, and that's a good thing. 651 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: We were only ten years old in Mason. We're going 652 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: to say fifties, very young. 653 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: A quick break. 654 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social 655 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: media or maybe send it to a friend or a 656 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: family member. 657 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: Stay with us. 658 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting now because we're saying, Letitia James potentially be 659 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: in some major hot water over mortgage fraud allegations, and 660 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: the same thing with Adam Schiff, Like I believe in 661 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: some documents she said her dad was her husband, and 662 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: so you know, there's maybe a little bit of projection. 663 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: With all of that stuff from them, do you yeah. 664 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 4: Well, I think again, I thought they were playing for keeps. 665 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: They were trying to put him away. They knew what 666 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 4: he They never forgave him for coming down the escalator 667 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: in the first place, and so they concocted this made 668 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: up Russia Gate thing to try to well not to 669 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: try to but to spy on him when he was 670 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 4: a candidate to try to derail his first term. Then 671 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: they use the Russia hoak stuff for the censorship stuff, 672 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 4: which we outlined in the book Last Line of Defense. 673 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: When we followed the Missouri versus Biden. 674 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: Lawsuit, we found out that this whole like Russia misinformation 675 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: thing was there was there fig leaf for all the censorship. 676 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: They would say, oh, this is misinformation or the laptop's 677 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 4: misinformation or you know whatever. They just used it for everything, 678 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: and then they continued that narrative to say this guy 679 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: was a threat to the country. We got to stop 680 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 4: them and the links that they went to. Thank God though, 681 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 4: and this is I think it's affirming for the Republic, 682 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 4: is that the American people sat in their own jury 683 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: box and watched all this play out, and they rendered 684 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 4: their own verdict, and they they wanted reform and they 685 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 4: wanted him back. 686 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: So, you know, the did give me comfort. You talk 687 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: about sores backed prosecutors. I guess, like, why do you 688 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: think George Soros wants to be such a destabilizing force. 689 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's like this hedge fund guy. Is it ideology? 690 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: Is it like financially motivated? 691 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: Like what do you. 692 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: Think is behind his desire for such disruption across the 693 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: country and destabilization. 694 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 4: Well, if you, if you kind of are, show you 695 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: the history of Marxism. What you really need for societal 696 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 4: change is a people to sort of lose confidence in 697 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 4: everything and kind of chaos, you know, And so COVID, 698 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: think about think about what COVID was like. People couldn't 699 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 4: interact anymore, You couldn't go outside unless unless you were 700 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: protesting quote unquote systemic racism. Then they made an exception 701 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 4: for you and people. I think was that at that 702 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 4: point in that summer, people knew it was all bs. 703 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: But that's what Soro see arbitrage. 704 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 4: The system was relatively inexpensive to finance these local prosecutors 705 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: because there's only one person in that county or that 706 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 4: city who can prosecute crime. 707 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 3: That one person. World needs a. 708 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 4: Hell of a lot of social workers, I guess, But 709 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 4: you only get one prosecutor to make charging decisions, and 710 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: if you could corrupt that system, then people would look 711 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: around and they would see violent crime and they would 712 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 4: want something very different than kind of what we have. 713 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: And I think he views that as his inrun to 714 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 4: change the system, to flip it over, and to have 715 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 4: this kind of neo Marxist regime in the tip of 716 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: the spirit where these prosecutors that he was funding. And 717 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 4: you know, I think I hope people are kind of 718 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 4: waking up to this. I think again we're moving on 719 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 4: a little bit from that. But that fever dream that 720 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: we were in for at least four years was just 721 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 4: it was defined by this you know, lockdowns and you 722 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 4: know social unrest and an expansive regime in the White 723 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 4: House that just was didn't care about individual liberties, that's 724 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 4: for sure. So so anyway, I mean, again, why I 725 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 4: wrote the book, I'm not you know, we had one 726 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 4: of those in Saint Louis. I wrote the book Last 727 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: Line Defense. We took on the kN Gardner, who was 728 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 4: a local Sores funded prosecutor. If you remember, in Saint Louis, 729 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 4: she went after the mccloskey's who dared to come out 730 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 4: and defend their home as the rioters were coming by 731 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: like that was a flashpoint, and those people were on 732 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 4: their way to the mayor's house a Democrat mayor to 733 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 4: protest outside her home and terrorize her family. And along 734 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 4: the way they passed the mccloskey's home, and it was 735 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 4: a private street and there's that, you know. Thankfully, the 736 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 4: confrontation didn't get you know, violent in that way. But 737 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: she decided instead of charging a lot of the rioters 738 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: that summer, that who she was going to charge were 739 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 4: the mccloskey's And so we stepped in and said no, 740 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: in Missouri, we have the castle doctrine. People can defend 741 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 4: their life and their property and there was nothing wrong. 742 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 3: With what they did. 743 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 4: So anyway, you just had these flashpoints along the way 744 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 4: that I think we're instructive, and again, what the book 745 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: is really about is to kind of walk through the 746 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 4: behind the scenes, what was that like, What was it 747 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 4: like dealing with Soros prosecutor. In fact, we had a 748 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 4: case where I prosecuted through a quirk of a conflict 749 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 4: of interest, took kind of a you know, when you're 750 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 4: attorney general trying a case yourself. 751 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: Not many people do that, and. 752 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 4: There's a lot of risk associated with it, But I 753 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 4: tried a murder case in the city of Saint Louis, 754 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 4: and my message when we got the verdict was there 755 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 4: is somebody in this town who cares about the people 756 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 4: and their safety, right. And so there's just a lot 757 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff in the book that I 758 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: think people who aren't lawyers, who track this stuff daily, 759 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 4: who listen to your show, are going to appreciate. Because 760 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 4: there was so much on the line, we were able 761 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 4: to fight back and win. But more importantly, now we 762 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 4: can't forget those lessons, right, There's going to be more fights, 763 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 4: whether it's like climate alarmism, when they say, oh, there's 764 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 4: some emergency and you can't you know, drive this kind 765 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 4: of car anymore. And you know, we just have to 766 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 4: have the willing to push back, willingness to push back 767 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: and fight back. 768 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: And then before we go, you know, what do you 769 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: hope people take away from the book? 770 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: What's the call to action here? You know, how do 771 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: we protect freedoms moving forward? 772 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? 773 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 4: I mean this is this isn't just like history. It's 774 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 4: a playbook. It's concrete, it's actionable. I think Left Wing 775 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 4: Lawfair is one of the most important stories of the 776 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 4: second Trump administration, and this is how we beat them, 777 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 4: and a lot of it just comes down to courage, 778 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 4: it really does it. We got the law on our side, 779 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 4: we have common sense on our side that people are 780 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 4: with us. We just have the courage to fight on 781 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 4: all fronts. And that's why I wrote The Last Line of. 782 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 2: Defense, Center Eric Smith. 783 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: The Last Line of Defense, How to Beat the Left 784 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: and Court is out. Now go get it, Senator. Really 785 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: very interesting stuff, very interesting book. Really enjoyed this conversation. 786 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you making the time, sir, Thanks Lisa. 787 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 1: That was Senator Eric Schmidt, author of the new book 788 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: The Last Line of Defense, How to Beat the Left 789 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: and Court. Really interesting conversation. Appreciate him for making the time. 790 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 791 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: but you can listen. 792 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: Throughout the week. 793 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: Also want to bike my producer John Cassio for putting 794 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: the show together. 795 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: Until next time.