1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glazer, welcome ingang two Unbreakable, a mental 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: health podcast with Jay Glazer. Luckily I'm Jay Glazer. For 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: those who have walked this walk and me for a while, 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: I've talked very openly about my experience in Thailand this 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: year when I went out on a mental health journey 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: if you will, mind body, spirit, and I came across 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: the place called Kamalia. And that's why I did this 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: work that I've been talking about so much. And I said, 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: you know what, it happened this podcast instead of me 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: just talking about what I've learned out there at Kamalia. 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: So I said, why don't we bring a little Thailand 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: to the Unbreakable podcast right now? And with it, I 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: want to bring in the founders here, John Karna Stewart 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: from Kamalaia. Appreciate you joining me. Thank you. We're honored 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: to be here. Jay, thank you so much. So tell 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: me how you came about. So Kamalia saved my life. 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: It ought me to really heal the inner child in me. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: What people may not know is right before I went 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: to Kamalia. The Mayo Clinic was telling me they didn't 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: think I was going to make it this year because 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: of inflammation, and all my tests were showing that I 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: was gonna have a heart attack, and my cholesterol was 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: through the ceiling. My inflammation markers were showing that I 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: was not going to make the football season, and I 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: had to do something dramatic, and I knew I needed 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: to go somewhere and get help, and I needed someplace 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: where I was going to get help, like I said, mind, body, 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: and spirit and learn how to heal myself from the 31 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: inside out instead of just throwing you know, Western pharmaceuticals 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: at myself. I came upon Kamalia. How did you all 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: and why don't we describe Kamalia to people out there? 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: And how did you come up with Kamalia? Thank you Jay. 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: The story of Kamalia goes back quite a way because 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: I was a monk in an Indian tradition. I lived 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: in the Himalayas for twenty six years, and I was 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: a monk for sixteen years living in a remote part 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: of the Himalayas and learning really the service that helping 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: people is what really makes us happy. And it was 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: during that time that I met Karina. She came from 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: Princeton University. She flew over to India to do a 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: meditation retreat with my teacher, and I met her at 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: that time, and both of us spent our life studying 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Asian traditions and trying to pick up or not just trying, 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: but picking up some of the missing pieces that we 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: have now in the West about community and relationship to 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: nature and how to really find that deeper part inside 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of ourselves that gives us true health and happiness. And 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: I think that Kamalaya is We describe it as a 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: wellness sanctuary because you were there, Jay, It's really you 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: enter and you're basically entering another realm where you're really 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: immersed in nature, where the architecture allowed you to feel 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: close to the elements. You're not camping by any means, 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: but that sense of your senses are engaged. You're smelling 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: and hearing and touching, and you're stimulated by all your 57 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: senses to be very present. And then we provide the 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: food that promotes healing. You talked about inflammation, so the 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: nutrition concept has a lot of science behind it, but 60 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: at the same time, it's incredibly enjoyable. You're not you 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: don't feel like you're depriving yourself because I think with humans, 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: the pleasure principle is really strong. I mean, that's just 63 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the way it is. And so we create this environment 64 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: where it's really easy to step in more deeply into 65 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: practices and habits and choices. It sounds simple, but it's 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: a very multilayered ecosystem. It's what I would call a kamelon. 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I think I'm your typical person who came out there. 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: When I say, when I went out there, I'm like, Okay, 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: what are the restaurants around there? I'm going to tie 70 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: it on vacation and you know where else am I 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: going to go? And then all of a sudden, you 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: guys like no, no, if there's no TVs, there's you 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: don't really leave the property. I'm like, wait, well what 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, you kind of put your cell 75 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: phone in the safe, and I'm like, put my cell 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: phone in the safe. And it takes about five days 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: to really start. Well, it took me five days I 78 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: think to learn how to unplug. The digital detox was 79 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: as bad as anything else I did. Yes, yes, yes, 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: So you're you're touching on a really important point, which 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: is depending on what culture you're coming from and depending 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: on how the pace of your life, it takes anywhere 83 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: from three to five days to sort of for all 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: that I'm going to say. It's like letting out the 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: internal pressure enough that you actually arrive. And the lack 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: of technology is part of it, you know, the digital 87 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: detox is one part. For sure. There no TV's in 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: the room, but there's so much that is happening with 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: the physical activities and the classes and the treatments, and 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: without you realizing it, you're quite I engaged you, and 91 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: you don't miss what's not there. Initially it's an adaptation, 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and the guests to come a land noticed, oh that's 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: a newcomer. They don't have some you know. I saw 94 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: that five six days in. You know again, I went 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: in with this scowl, and then all of a sudden, 96 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: five days in, six days in, I would see people 97 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: show up at the same scowl, going oh that was me. Wow, 98 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: I was like that, and I noticed the wrinkles started 99 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: going my eyes a little bit more. But first line 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: that I heard there, so I got up. You guys, 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, you had like dinner waiting for me, and 102 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: an anti inflammatory food. Now, let me just go into this. 103 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Before I went, I did three different blood tests to 104 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: find out what foods were causing me inflammation. An inflammation 105 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: could be itchiness, could be you know, and could put 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: stress in our hearts, could be allergiess just so many 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: different things, and there were things that you would never 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: ever imagine. And if I didn't do, come alive like 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: and I do the same. I own a gym, called 110 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: them breakable. We have a nutritionist who does one of 111 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: the three blood tests that you guys do for inflammation, 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: but turns out that the things that cause me the 113 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: most inflammation are spinach, lemon, green apples, like things that 114 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: are so incredibly healthy and they're killing me. Right. But 115 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't think people understand even the food part of it. 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: And the food part is so important to you. Tell 117 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: everybody out there who can't afford to go to kamalaya, 118 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: are there anything that hey, you know that basically these 119 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: can help anti inflammation wise or inflammatory. That's take them out. 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: So most people know. But I'll repeat it because I 121 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: think it needs to be said. But sugar, and every 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: form of refined sugar needs to be eliminated if you're 123 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: going to reduce inflammation. And we know it, we hear it, 124 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: but it's hidden in so many different ways in our 125 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: salad dressings, in you know, sauces that people use, So 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: it's not just sugar adding sugar, but the desserts, the 127 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: processed food. So reading the labels and just really making 128 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: it a point to reduce the amount of sugar in 129 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the diet is probably the first thing. Right up there 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: with that are the wrong kinds of fats, and we 131 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: hear that also, but the trans fats really really really 132 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: are very damaging and inflammatory for most people. Those would 133 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: be like right at the top of the list. The 134 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: quality of fats that we eat affect the cellular membranes, 135 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: affect our brain, and we're talking about mental health. There's 136 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: also physiological components to mental health. So I would say 137 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: probably those two things will have the grat Yeah, So 138 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, the healthy fats are, of 139 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: course the olive oils and the coconut oils and butter. 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: But if you want the butter to be very clean 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: and pure organic, not full of hormones and antibiotics, grass 142 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: fat which is costly, and nuts and seeds and avocado, 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, in their natural form, right, it is as 144 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: much as possible rather than extracted. When we improve the 145 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: quality of our fats and we reduce sugars, the amount 146 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: of inflammation that is reduced in the body is dramatic 147 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and that affects our mental health. See people think of 148 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: inflammation as you know, I have a headache or my 149 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: joint sir, or I'm sort true, heart disease absolutely true, 150 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: autoimmune disease, true, But the impact on our mental health 151 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: from inflammation is also very well documented and a close correlation. 152 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: So this has a huge impact on our sense of life, 153 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: on what it feels like to be about your second 154 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: brain exactly. But God is the second brain, and it 155 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: starts very very young. I mean, studies have been done 156 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: that children from the age of twelve to fifteen, and 157 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: they're they're eating lots of French fries and lots of 158 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: bad fats, and the children who are eating salads and 159 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: more fresh foods, their intellectual development, their IQ development of 160 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the difference is like twenty to thirty percent already as 161 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: a youth. So we start doing this to ourselves very young. 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my own experiences again 163 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: rises For about ten years, I was on an injectable 164 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: and a pill just to stop or slow the spread down. Yeah, 165 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and so it didn't clear it up. We're just slowing 166 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: the spread. I went out Kamalaya. I took these inflammatory 167 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: foods out, the refined sugar, these kind of fats and 168 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, the foods that I realized were acting as 169 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: an inflammation for me. I just took these out. Within 170 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: seventeen days, my psoriasis was completely cleared up and is 171 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: still cleared up to this day. Incredible. Yeah, you've hurt 172 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: the phrase, and you know, I'm sure you've hurt the phrase. 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: And people are more and more familiar with the frase 174 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: that food for healing and food is medicine. It's real, 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: it's absolutely real. And by contrast, food can be poison. 176 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: Whatever you're allergic to, it's going to be a poison 177 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: and it's not the same for everybody. So food allergy 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: testing is brilliant. What other foods are great anti inflammatory 179 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: for people? Well, I think the gingers. Again, if you're 180 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: not allergic, let's just say broadly, let's right, yes, broadly, 181 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: that would be great. Ginger is a super anti inflammatory 182 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: cinnamon is incredible at resensitizing as to insulin at a 183 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: cellular level. Tumor in my book is one of my 184 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: favorites because it works on the liver and on inflammation, 185 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: so helping the liver also metabolize better. Rosemary is also excellent. 186 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: These are all earths that are easy to include in 187 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: our food and our diet and teas. The Omega three fats, 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: so eating fish at the highest quality like sardines as 189 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: opposed to bigger fish. But salmon is famous for it, 190 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: but getting real wild caught salmon is an issue nowadays 191 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and the salmon qualities a little less. So. The Omega 192 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: threes are excellent anti inflamatories, one of the best, and 193 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: they have a tremendous mental health benefit for the same 194 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: reason for the anti inflammation properties and the brain needs 195 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: a lot of these healthy fats. Those would be at 196 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: the top of my list. You guys also use a 197 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: lot of supplement out there. When I did my tea 198 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: DOX program, what the supplements do you love that can 199 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: help mental health watch? Those are some of the Omega threes, 200 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: THNN and green tea. If you notice we take you 201 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: off coffee and that kind of stimulation, but you are 202 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: allowed green tea which does have caffeine, but it also 203 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: is a CNN which is very calming to the nervous system. 204 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: So though it has some caffeine, it also is an 205 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: inside and minerals magnesium, calcium, all the minerals, especially magnesium, 206 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: is also very calming to the nervous system. I recommend 207 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: Roiba's tea, which is m is amazingly high in minerals, 208 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: so it's calming. And another supplement that is used by 209 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: some people is Gaba gammaino gutter caium. We do it 210 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: as a mulberry leaf tea. We kind of way, I 211 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: prefer to do it as much as possible in its 212 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: natural state. When we can't find it in its natural state, 213 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: then we will see. Yeah, yeah, I've used gaba. I've 214 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: used magnesium to kind of calm down my nervous system 215 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: a bunch. Obviously the Americas, you guys kind of got 216 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: me on that a little bit. I want to, you know, 217 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: kind of go back to something that we started with 218 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: here and I realized and we just glazed over this. 219 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: We started this whole conversation with John you saying that 220 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: you were monk in India, all those years. It happened 221 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: from my graduation night in California from high school that 222 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: I met. I met an Indian man who told me 223 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: that there was a master in the Himalayas who could 224 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: answer all my questions and that could understand really who 225 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: I was. And I was so amazed at the idea 226 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: that that was even possible that I ran away from 227 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: home to go to India. So really that's how it started. 228 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: Did your parents think you're going off to college or 229 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: the army or something that he had done off my rocker? 230 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: They thought I had done off my rocker. Hells tell 231 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: me they are not experience. I arrived into the Himalayas 232 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: and I had to walk a half a day into 233 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: a remote part of the Himalayas where my teacher was 234 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: living on a little hillside beside a ribbon. And when 235 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: I met him, I just kind of talk. I was 236 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: walking up this river and talking myself out of the 237 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: whole idea that maybe this wasn't the right idea, this 238 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: was a little too remote for me. But then I 239 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: met him and I touched him, I mean I shook 240 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: his hand, and the experience was just kind of overwhelmed me. 241 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: And he told me that he had been waiting for me, 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: and that I should shave my head, and he put 243 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: me in a cave and that night, that night he 244 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: spoke to me, he spoke to the all the students 245 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: around him, and said that this young man had come 246 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: from the from the western countries. He's come from a 247 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: wealthy western country, and he's come here to take care 248 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: of you, and he will be your doctor from now on. 249 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: And so the day I arrived, I was his guest, 250 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: and the next morning I was his host. And for 251 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: the next sixteen years I took care of everybody who arrived. 252 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: I built schools, I built hospitals, starting out carrying just 253 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: rocks and building things out of rocks and mud and 254 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: grass roofs all the way up till we built big 255 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: concrete buildings and eventually a road. We had no electricity, 256 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: And I learned to live by through the relationship with 257 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: myself and other people. And you know, so month life 258 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: was getting up at three o'clock in the morning, bathing 259 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: in a cold river, spending three or four hours practicing 260 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: prayer and meditation, then doing a whole day of hard work, 261 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: eating only one time a day, and really learning that 262 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: service makes you happy, and that how to focus your energy, 263 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: how to focus your breath. One of the first things 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: he taught me was the breathing exercises and that I 265 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: had to do that every day. It became a cornerstone 266 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: and foundation block for my knife. And then he just 267 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: day by day cleaning out all the emotional stuff that 268 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: I had buried when I listened to you talk and 269 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: a few things that we've shared on the phone in 270 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: the past and all of us have, it's all buried 271 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: inside there. And then you do this work and this 272 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: day by day you peel off all the layers until 273 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: they're not obstacles anymore. What was the happiest part of 274 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: being I'm sure people gonna listen and say due date 275 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: once a day and bathed in a cold river and 276 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: out to you know, sit there and pray for four hours, 277 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: which it's not add conducer but hard work. But it 278 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: sounds like you were happy when you were there. I 279 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: was the happiest of my whole life. And the first 280 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: happiness was that you made such a difference to other 281 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: people's lives. I mean, when I went into the jungle 282 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: there that was a community of people who lived in 283 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: a barter community, they didn't have money, they didn't have 284 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: electricity or roads, and we made such a difference to 285 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: their lives. And I tell you, when you have the 286 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: memory of somebody looking at you with gratitude and saying 287 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: thank you to you, that is more precious than any 288 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: memory of getting a new watch or a new car. 289 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: I tell you, it's good. It's the ultimate. I also 290 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: met Kamina there. He came from Princeton University, walked up 291 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: those riverbed and we met, and I wrote letters to 292 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: her for eleven years when she left. And then later 293 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: my teacher said to me, now you've done all of this. 294 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: I've taught you through experience. Now go get married and 295 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: build something, and only then you'll really understand what I 296 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: taught you. And I went to America found Karina, and 297 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: then we created Kamalaya. And that's my God. So that's 298 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: I guess I should say. My teacher said to me, 299 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: people come to me to see miracles, but I will 300 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: teach you how to create them. And he taught me, 301 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: through focusing my energy and doing good things, that I 302 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: could create anything in this life. I got the woman 303 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: that I wanted and build Kamalaya. So those are how 304 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: do you make miracles come true. That's amazing. In my 305 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: book that I wrote, Unbreakable, I write these. I wrote 306 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: about these pillars that get me through our mental health issues, 307 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: and one of them is exactly what you're talking about, 308 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: being of service. Being of service when I'm in the gray, 309 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: being of service gets me to come through that gray 310 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and see the blue. And it's it's being of service 311 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: can come in so many ways in your way is beautiful. 312 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: And I just want to add Jay that also, I 313 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: suffered terrible health crisiss at the time that we were 314 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: starting Kamalaya. Just before we started Kamalaiya, I was given 315 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: only ninety day is to live. I had my liver 316 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: shot from hepatitis that I had gotten when I was 317 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: a kid and carried it all those years in India 318 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: without knowing it. And Koreaa took care of me, made 319 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: my health protocols and and I came back from that. 320 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: That's how we started coming live. It was kind of 321 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: like we have a new life, and do you start 322 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: it for you as much as anything? Oh yeah, absolutely. 323 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: We've had about fifty thousand people come through our programs. Now, 324 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: how many is that? About fifty thousand people? Have been 325 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: through our programs. Now, wow, amazing is there any of 326 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: those people? Are just stories that resonate more for you, 327 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I'd say, oh my god, this one. Wait, wait till 328 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: I tell you this one. We have a million of them. Oh, 329 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: you have so many people. I think your story, Jay. Honestly, 330 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: I didn't know all of the little details. You know, 331 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: Johnny should a little bit, but you know, you had 332 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: physical things, and you had emotional and like you said 333 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: about your inner child and then the mental I mean 334 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: that you you're the poster child. You know, there are many, many, 335 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: many people whose lives have been irrevocably changed for the better. 336 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: And you can hear from John's story that's you know. 337 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: I chose to be a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine 338 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: for very same reasons, wanting to make a difference, wanting 339 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: to make a contribution wherever we would be in the world. 340 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: And Kamalaya is the blessing in our lives that we 341 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: get to offer to others. You know, that's really where 342 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: we come from. I don't know if I told you this, 343 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: but the very very very first day I come and again, 344 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: you guys came my soup the night before and I 345 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: got the next morning, and because I also have sleep issues, 346 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: I went out there for your sleep program. You have 347 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: a sleep program to teach us how to sleep, because 348 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: I've been I'm ambient for thirty years. And the very 349 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: first interaction I had, I go to breakfast and then 350 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: I go to do a meditation, which my previous attempts 351 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: at meditating did not go well. And that's the add 352 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: And I walk in and the monk who is leading 353 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: it looks at me and says, oh, you're a lot 354 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: of pain. How to start loving yourself? And I'm kind 355 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: of looking like this dude's talking to me. It's just me. 356 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: So I wore it. I wore the trauma and the 357 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: and wore the pain and I'm like my face pretty clearly. 358 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: But when he said it to me, I just started crying. 359 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: Of course, it's incredible that he just said it right 360 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: to you like that, you know, it was the right moment. Yep. Yeah, 361 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: there was a lot of moments that that I you know, 362 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: I cried and I you know, shared with people and 363 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: one of the things I'd learned and I did sit 364 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: for a few days, and it was amazingly one of 365 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: the things they taught me. They said hey, we want 366 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: you to sit in your pain. And I said, I 367 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: sit my pain every day. And I wasn't very nice 368 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: to your monks, by the way, at first, because I 369 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: was so self loathing. Yeah, and I think a lot 370 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: of people come out there and they want answers now right, 371 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: and then when I don't get the answer, I'm looking 372 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: for him now, yeah, frustrate. So they said, you know, 373 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: we want you to sit in your pain for a 374 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: few days. And I said, I sit in my pain 375 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: every day. They said, no, you experience your pan every 376 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: day like you don't sitting it. We want you to 377 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: sit in it and grieve it and heal it. And 378 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: I didn't understand what they were talking about until I did. 379 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I sat there and I said, okay, what I mean? 380 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: And I just started thinking about the worst things that 381 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I have gone through one and then I said, when 382 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: you sit in your pain, and I called myself Jason 383 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: growing up, not Jay. So we want you to to sit 384 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: in your pain, really feel it, and hold little Jason's 385 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: hand and put your arm around him and show him 386 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: compassion because it doesn't feel like he's at me. That 387 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: was I've repeated this story to half the NFL and 388 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: You've seen the baddest dudes and the crap planet cry 389 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: when I tell them this, And I learned that from 390 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: your people. That's powerful and beautiful and so healing, so healing. 391 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: We I feel that our mentors are just the greatest 392 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: healing balmb what they offer the wisdom, and they're so gentle, gentle, 393 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: just like when you're sharing it. You know, we could 394 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: feel that kindness that you felt for little Jason, And 395 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: I would say that the invitation is there for our 396 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: guests when they come to step in because it's a 397 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: very non threatening environment. I mean, you might have been 398 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: looking for answers and where were they an impatient But 399 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: the minute he said that to you, it struck a 400 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: chord and it was said in a such a kind 401 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: way that there was no resistance to that that gentle hand. 402 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what we all need more of. I 403 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: really really do. Yeah. I think we could do it 404 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: for each other, like you don't have to be a 405 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: monk to just exactly no day today, when when we're 406 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: talking about what can help, I really believe we can 407 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: talk about you know, the herbs, We can talk about 408 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: many things, but being kinder to ourselves, which then extends 409 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: to being kinder, gentler to others. We can still be 410 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: rough and tumble, we can still do all that stuff, 411 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: but it's okay sometimes to wear a different hat. I 412 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: know what just me the most in my life is 413 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: the gentleness of people's humanity because people come and drop 414 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: their armor. We like to say, people drop their armor 415 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: they feel safe. And in those first three or four 416 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: days when you're going through the transition, arriving there and 417 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: you realize it's actually safe to become vulnerable, that each 418 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: guest becomes the teacher of each guest. Yeah, and then 419 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: we find out how wonderful we all are because we're 420 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: not fighting with the world. We're surrendered to it. And 421 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: then relationships, many friendships get made it coming ad that 422 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: become lifelong friendships. And I experience that, and it's so 423 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: odd for me because I live in a world here 424 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: where i'm my life is an under a microscope, so 425 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: I am and I have social anxiety. So when I 426 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: go out, even though I seem like the life of 427 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: the party on TV and I am the life of 428 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: the party with my crew, I don't talk to anybody 429 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: when I go out. I'd stay away. I tend to 430 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: pull away. If I'm on a party, I really pull away. 431 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: And I work with the guy here near Michael Stray 432 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, said to him one day, why 433 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: don't we become the guys that who used to want 434 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: to be seeing in the middle of the bar, And 435 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: now we're hiding in the back of the bar. And 436 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: that's how my life is. And a Kamalaya day four 437 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: or five, I just started talking to people and no 438 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: one cared who I was. The ego part for me 439 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: went away, and when I was able to check that ego, 440 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: I just started talking to people again like a normal 441 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: human being. And I appreciate that that It was a 442 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: gift for me to just connect with people again, because 443 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: now with social media, people talk to you differently. They 444 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: talk to you the way they tweet at you, and 445 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: at least that's when that's most of my interaction with 446 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: people now are what are people tweeting about me? What 447 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: are they saying about me? And then people talk to 448 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: you the same kind of bombastic way now And Kamalaia 449 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: was just such a wow. What a difference for me 450 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: to just connect with humans again. How about that to 451 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: not look at my phone anymore and instead look up 452 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: and like, wow, just connect with humans again. That was 453 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: That was magical for me, and it's incredibly healing. We 454 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: are social beings, right, and so anything that enriches the 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: social interactions, whatever that takes, it's helpful. We talk about 456 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: what's helpful putting away the digital toys periodically taking breaks, 457 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: like the quality of our live interactions are more meaningful 458 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: and more real, like you said, being fully human again, 459 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: instead of whatever we become when we're on our phones 460 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: and our technology all the time. Our teacher said to me, 461 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, people come here to learn how to be spiritual, 462 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: but my job is to teach you how to become human. 463 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: I always thought that was that was it, That was 464 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: that was enough. I guess some of my struggles too, 465 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: were when I came back, I was on the plan 466 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: for a while and then I fell off. What are 467 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: some tools I could use to remain human? If you 468 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: will outside Kamalaya, I think if we prioritize, since we've 469 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: been talking about our relationships, I would say that I 470 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: would say, really priorities the quality over the quantity of relationships, 471 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: whether it's that one person that you can touch base 472 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: with on a regular basis where you feel you can 473 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: be the version of yourself that you've touched into and 474 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: you want to keep alive. I think that's really important 475 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: that buddy, that life partmates. Yes, your teammates, that's it, 476 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: the one or two, But it's about the quality. It's 477 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: about the intimacy and vulnerability. You know, to talk about 478 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the things you talk about is incredibly vulnerable, really, and 479 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: so that's important number one. Number two, I think the 480 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: daily ritual. I heard your interview with Michael Felt, which 481 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: I thought was fabulously beautiful. We both did. It's super 482 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: and you share there that you do your your little 483 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: morning practice of breathing right and you're doing a bit 484 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: of meditating. And again it's not quantity, it's the quality. 485 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: You're doing a few minutes, but you're doing it regularly. 486 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: The breathing, the gratitude, the remembering what's good in our lives. 487 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: So whatever that is, whichever one of those little practices, 488 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: but make it stick, make a little commitment to it. 489 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: It's a daily thing and you build from that. And 490 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: I personally would say for me the number three is 491 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: do eliminate the things in terms of what we take, 492 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: what we ingest, what we drink, what we eat, that 493 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: our inflammatory for us, whether it's like in your case, spinach, 494 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: the green apples, the lemons. In my case, definitely, I 495 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: highly recommend the sugars and the transa get them out gluten. 496 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: Huge connection between the microbiome and the brain and gluten 497 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: inflammation markers. And then I just want to draw on 498 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: something that John in his all those years in the 499 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: remote Himalayas spend time in nature. He was immersed in nature, 500 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: and the jungles Kamalaia is just full jungle nature. Spend 501 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: time in nature. Really just spend a little bit of time, 502 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: even in the middle of winter. You can see a 503 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: nature film or photographs of nature that helps us and 504 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: our mental health and well being. Denmarkist an amazing work 505 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: on mental health by just immersing people who are literally 506 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: so depressed they're catatonic. Immersing them in nature thirty days 507 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: in a row and they start to be able to 508 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: be functional again. I mean just nature. Yeah, So there 509 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: are little things we can do instead of you know, 510 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: driving right up to your office, park it a few 511 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: balks away and walk through that, you know, little patches 512 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: green love that love that John Well, I think that's 513 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: reconnecting with nature. Reconnecting with your friends, doing a little 514 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: bit of breathing, you know, breathing as you're doing those 515 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: breathing exercises. Now, very simple breathing exercises, starting with something 516 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: so simple as just sitting quietly, taking in a very long, slow, 517 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: deep breath and exhaling it at about twice the length 518 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: that you inhale to, like inhale with four breaths and 519 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: exhale with aid. Doing that three or four times, it 520 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: completely resets you and connects you back with what's going 521 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: on inside of you. It turns you from an outer 522 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: experience to an inner experience. And we know and the 523 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: science shows that just a little bit of work with 524 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: your breath drops your cartazol levels by twenty to thirty percent. Wow, 525 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: that's something people need to do, like five times a day, 526 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: just five minutes, five minutes, five times a day. You know, 527 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, before you're going to 528 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: go home to see your wife and kids, that you 529 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: breathe a few minutes in the car so that when 530 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: you get home you can enjoy them instead of bringing 531 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: the office home with you when you have a rough 532 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: interaction anytime during the day, sitting for a couple of minutes, 533 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: two or three minutes is enough sometimes if you do 534 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: it as a regular practice to completely just take those 535 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: stressors away and bring us back to a heartful moment, 536 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: because in the end, life is a bunch of heartbeats. 537 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: That's what we have, That's what brings it be need 538 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: is it also a way It's just hey, let's calm 539 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: our nervous system down. Yes, right, No, breathing is the 540 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: only way we have to calm our nervous system. Breathing 541 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: is the one the one tool that we have. But 542 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: we can always just right, it's always at our disposal. Yeah, 543 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: it's always there, right, We don't have to go and 544 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: find a magnesium where the green tea or right whatever, 545 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: right right, right, right, right right before I let you go, 546 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: give us anything that we've missed her that maybe you 547 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: want to impart. For our listeners, I would say gratitude. 548 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: We're grateful that you came and took the chance to 549 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: experience something like Kamalai a halfway around the world, and 550 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: we're super grateful to be able to talk about it 551 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: with you, that you've shared so much of your journey 552 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: with people to help and let we get the opportunity 553 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: to share a tiny little bit. And I think gratitude 554 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: is one of those keys, really, truly, deeply, gratitude is 555 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: one of those keys that unlocks a lot of possibility 556 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: out of the dark places. I just learned something today 557 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: about not only when I when I'm doing my gratitude list, 558 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: which you guys taught me out there to write my 559 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: gratitude list, but then also write the feeling next to 560 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: something I'm grateful for. So this makes me happy, this 561 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: makes me, you know, this made me feel secure, This 562 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: made me feel lifted up, this made me feel powerful. 563 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: Then just put a feeling next to it. Beautiful. Yeah. 564 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: One other thing is when we compare ourselves as we're 565 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: as we're human beings, we're always comparing ourselves to other 566 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: things and other people. So when we compare ourselves in 567 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: terms of our station in life, always look down because 568 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: then you can realize how lucky you really are. And 569 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: when you're comparing yourself to your achievements in life, always 570 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: look up so you realize how far there is to go. 571 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: I love that well. I appreciate both you. I'm really 572 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: excited to see the two of you. You know. The 573 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: incredible part is, you know, for look God has blessed 574 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: me where where I do have the memes to go 575 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: to a place like I'm alive, but God has also 576 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: blessed me or I have a voice to then teach 577 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: others what I learned with my own pain, to try 578 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: and help others through theirs. I really appreciate you. God 579 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: bless you both. Let's walking this walk together. It's a 580 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: great honor. Thank you.