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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh man, we

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Speaker 2: are talking true crime all the time. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: August twenty first, and I have to tell you our

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Speaker 2: show just went out the window.

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Speaker 3: There is breaking news happening right now.

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Speaker 2: We have been following the Menandez brothers and their journey

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Speaker 2: to parole for months and months, certainly since the show began.

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Speaker 3: And as you may or may not.

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Speaker 2: Know, Eric Menendez had his parole healing long awaited by

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Speaker 2: the way. You know, let's just set the stage for

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Speaker 2: a moment. The family of both parents want them to

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Speaker 2: be released. They are said to have been perfect citizens

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Speaker 2: behind bars. They have families and relationships that are positive

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Speaker 2: outside of the prison. And the idea was that maybe

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Speaker 2: they were overcharged because new information came to the forefront

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Speaker 2: and as a result, there was a real feeling that

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Speaker 2: they were about to go home. And as we come

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Speaker 2: on the air tonight, Eric Menndez has been denied parole denied,

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Speaker 2: which is a shock and there is so much to

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Speaker 3: What was the reason that this was denied?

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Speaker 2: And I have to say it, it is a surprise

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Speaker 2: one of those cases that had a resurgence very recently

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Speaker 2: because of the documentary that was out, the scripted show

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Speaker 3: Really raw about it. And just like this, they have

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Speaker 3: been denied. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: This is the guy, Robert Rand, the journalist who was

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Speaker 2: actually the guy who was there.

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Speaker 3: Since day one.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the letter that is at kind of the

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Speaker 2: center of this is really through Robert Rand. We've have

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Speaker 2: been on the show before. His brain must be collapsing

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Speaker 2: right now. I know he has been real time in

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Speaker 2: all of this all day, and we're so grateful to

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Speaker 2: have you here. Listen, Robert, welcome to the show. I

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Speaker 2: wish under much better circumstances. I know you're shell shocked

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Speaker 2: and we absolutely want to hear your immediate opinion.

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Speaker 4: Good evening. I am disappointed. But I'm not surprised totally.

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Speaker 4: It's very, very difficult for an inmate to appear before

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Speaker 4: first time they appear before a shape ord and that's

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Speaker 3: Pretty much never, right, So this was said to be

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Speaker 2: And you know, for those who are not aware, in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, both brothers were you know, convicted of

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Speaker 2: murdering their parents. But what we didn't know at the

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Speaker 2: time is their origin story perhaps the reason for this,

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Speaker 2: which was hideous. Right, So we know that mister Menendez,

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Speaker 2: their father, Jose Menendez, he really was, you know, doing

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Speaker 2: incredibly terrible things to them that was inadmissible in their

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Speaker 2: I think it's a clear distinction, and correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Robert. The idea is, had their origin of

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Speaker 2: And if that were the case, they would have served

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Speaker 4: Well, let me get a few backstraight, because it's been

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Speaker 4: actually since nineteen ninety three when the brothers were first

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Speaker 4: And that was a case of very unfortunate timing because

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Speaker 2: And by the way, in Hollywood, right, so OJ was

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Speaker 4: Sure, I mean the the public in general. The majority

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Speaker 3: Lost Robert mid sentence.

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Speaker 2: But just to go back to that, because I know

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Speaker 2: Robert will be calling back in listen. He's everywhere right now,

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Speaker 2: He's on CNN.

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Speaker 3: This is breaking. This is literally just real time.

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Speaker 2: We're like six minutes out of this being announced in

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Speaker 2: the press. So this is someone who's been in it

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Speaker 2: from day one. But it's a really controversial case. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that I thought was so incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 2: Body And by the way, I'm stephan Ulai Decker.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Body Move and we jumped right through it.

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Speaker 3: And Hi, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong is out this evening, TAHA producer and Robert

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Speaker 2: of course will be with us breaking down these big developments,

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Speaker 2: and we want to hear from you eight at eight

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Speaker 2: to three one crime.

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Speaker 3: Please join us, Robert. I'm so glad you're back.

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Speaker 4: I'm back. It's been a busy day and.

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Speaker 3: You're probably so you can only imagine and thank you

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Speaker 3: for being with us. We are so grateful to hear

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Speaker 3: from you again. So you were saying, so, I was saying.

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Speaker 4: So. The two juries in the first trial heard a

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Speaker 4: have been a manslaughter conviction. Eric lytell Nedas still would

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Speaker 4: and time for this case to end. You know, they

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think that's a really interesting distinction.

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Speaker 2: as though Eric and Lyel Menendez are looking for a

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Speaker 4: Robert I was actually interviewed in the Campfire and Netflix documentary,

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Speaker 4: is called Menanda's Plus Nudo Boys Betrayed and it revealed

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Speaker 4: in May of twenty three, the attorneys for Eric Malamnandez

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Speaker 4: And in that letter, Eric complained about the ongoing sexual

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you're a documentary on Peacock, by

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Speaker 2: the way, that blew the socks off of it. Right,

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Speaker 2: And then this letter time stamps it also is that accurate?

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Speaker 4: That's correct? And you know what gets you out of

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Speaker 2: And of course, and again, had they been tried, maybe

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Speaker 3: That's kind of the rub.

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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this to nauseum and

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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, this is Riley.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Riley, welcome to the show. What's your question? Hi?

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Speaker 5: I was just about the Menindez brothers.

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Speaker 6: I just want to get you guys.

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Speaker 3: And I really do believe in restorative.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the that is the crux, right that you

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Speaker 2: I think the justice we're right now, we don't thinking

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Speaker 2: No, if Kitty was and I'm projecting right now, this

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Speaker 3: Was the day. Today is the day. It's like a

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Speaker 2: It was planned, and so certainly they didn't they didn't

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for calling, and yeah, keep the

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Speaker 3: We really want to hear your opinions. Yeah, Colin, give

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why we have prison, right exactly. It's

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Speaker 2: And we also know from all sides, both mom and dad,

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Speaker 2: who they killed, by their own admission, that both parents, family, sisters, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins,

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00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: everybody is going before the court to say we want

438
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Speaker 2: the boys men released, that they are not a danger

439
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: for society. In fact, you know, Kitty Mom, you bring

440
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: up Mom, her sister is really outspoken and saying I

441
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: need to see my family together again. This is fractured

442
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: an entire generation. And because they've been so stand up,

443
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: they have served their time, they've acknowledged their guilt.

444
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Speaker 3: Is that appropriate? Right? Well, this is all very interesting.

445
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: Coming up next we have eighteen year old Kylie Monteiro's

446
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: boyfriend has pled guilty to her murder. Will unpack the

447
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: details of that case and later the shocking claims Austin

448
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: Drummond has been making from jail. What a night.

449
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: By the way, we had a whole show planned and

450
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: it is out the window, but there was a California

451
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: board denied parole for Eric Menandez just seconds before we

452
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: came to air.

453
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: And it's pretty staggering.

454
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: Remember Lyle Menendez, the other brother, is up next tomorrow,

455
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: so they're going to back to back pearoles. Does this loss?

456
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: Does that foreshadow yet another one? We also know that,

457
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: you know, these types of pearole hearings always go this way.

458
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: It's very rare for it to be a high five.

459
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: Let's go up at first bat. However, I could imagine

460
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: for the Menendez others who were once said to be

461
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: home for the holidays, remember back when they were going

462
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: to be back for Thanksgiving. That was breaking news back

463
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: in November. There was big uproar after their documentaries had aired.

464
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: There's an incredible one on Peacock that actually basically says

465
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Speaker 2: there's another victim, a Manudo member of a Menudo band member.

466
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: Who also robbery. By the way, I think we're kind

467
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: of like, exactly, we're kind of completely glossing over how

468
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: big the Minudo break was, thank you exactly. I mean

469
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: for real, like that was massive because it corroborated everything

470
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: Lyle and Eric had been sending, even outside the letter. Correct,

471
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: it was an additional layer of this was really happening,

472
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: and it happened to me too, right exactly, Now, the

473
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: guy in Menudo has no connection really to Eric and

474
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: Lyle rather than Dad. They weren't like hanging out, right,

475
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: They weren't friends. They weren't buddies. It's not like they were,

476
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: you know, trying trying to get the friends out of

477
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: prison or anything like that. There's no connection. No.

478
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: In fact, you know Jose Mendez, who was a very

479
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: prominent figure in the music business, you know, he had

480
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: this cross section with the Menudo band or you know,

481
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: it was a boy band at the time. And yeah,

482
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: for that to be revealed years later, and again we

483
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: had Robert Brandt on the show and he he made

484
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: the doc right that basically breaks this information that there

485
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: was in fact a rape claim by you know, one

486
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: of these Menudo boys who basically says that corroborates the

487
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: story of Kyle and I mean Lyle and Eric Menendez.

488
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: So what do we make of that?

489
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: I don't know why I keep putting their names together,

490
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: do I'm all kinds of riled up.

491
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: You also keep saying brand it's Robert Rand. Oh you do,

492
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: but you're having one of those. It's been a c

493
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: We're kind of frazzle, you know what I mean? So

494
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: Robert Rand, yeah, I know you and you know not

495
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: doing it, I will say.

496
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: So hopefully Robert Rand will be back with us because

497
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: again he's being pulled into a million different directions.

498
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: But real time, Boddy, what do you think?

499
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 5: Well?

500
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Speaker 3: And I just want to say, like, thank you Robert.

501
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm he's so gracious to give us even

502
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: the time he did, because he literally is the guy

503
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: I think. I don't know, people understand if it wasn't

504
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: for Robert Rand, I don't know that we would even

505
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 3: be having this conversation right now, correct, Right? So, like

506
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: he's you know, very he's he's going to be on CNN,

507
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: He's going to be on news nation. He's going to

508
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: be on like every court, every news show in the morning,

509
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: every new show. He's probably gonna be on Good Morning America.

510
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't know for sure, but I'm just

511
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: saying he's such an important piece of the menendous history,

512
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: you know, and even the current history. He's close with

513
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: the family. He he's the one who discovered this letter.

514
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: He he was literally in court on day one of

515
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: the first trial. That's how long he's been invested in

516
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: this case and reporting on this case. He's a journalist,

517
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: and so like, thank you so much for giving us

518
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: your time, because we know how frazzled he must be

519
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: right now. And I'm feeling frazzled and I'm not even Robert. Yeah.

520
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty divisive, and it's emotional because you

521
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: could imagine for the for them, the Menendez brothers, they

522
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: were you know, probably resigned to the life that they had.

523
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: And you know, we saw today at this parole hearing

524
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: that Eric Menendez is I wonder your stepdaughter, his wife, Tammy.

525
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: Tammy.

526
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: They came forward and they testified in a very compelling way.

527
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: You know, in some way, the last mile is the hardest, right,

528
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe you give up hope and then

529
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: once you have hope, it's got to be a tough

530
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: blow because suddenly, you know, I don't know what the

531
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: words are exactly. You know, this is all happening in

532
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: real time, but it's got to be like a yo

533
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: yo complicated.

534
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: Do we know like specifically why was denied? Has that

535
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: been released? No?

536
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: There was like you know, there was mention of these

537
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: phone in frat shas' as if that was you know,

538
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: by all accounts. Again, we've you know, said it earlier.

539
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, they've been extraordinary prisoners. You know, they've gotten

540
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: their education, they've given it back, they've paid it forward,

541
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: they've acknowledged their guilt, They've led very important lies.

542
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: They have love in their lives.

543
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: They have families surrounding them, even though they're in a

544
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: scenario where there are no conjugal.

545
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: Physics, et cetera. They have true love. You know.

546
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: You know, one of them, their wife went to law

547
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: school so that she can become an advocate for him.

548
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's like above and beyond. So it's complicated.

549
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: And again this doesn't mean that everyone doesn't have another

550
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: version of a story that makes their life behind bars

551
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: and reelving.

552
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: Of like the love and whatnot. Eric's stepdaughter, Sorry, my

553
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: dog is very sick. Still He's okay, I took them

554
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: to the vet, but he's still very sick. So but

555
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: that I read Talia, who is Eric Menandez's step daughter.

556
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: She was on Instagram today and saying that she was

557
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: anxious and praying. I mean, even his stepdaughter is like

558
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: a massive advocate for him, right, and they're not even related, right,

559
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: this is his stepdaughter. I don't know. I just thought

560
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: that was really kind of sweet, you know, And I

561
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: in my heart, my heart goes out to the aunt too,

562
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: who is like probably just wanting to see them. But

563
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: you know, all hope is not lost. And by the way,

564
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: what does this mean for Lyle Tomorrow?

565
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: What does this mean for Lyle Tomorrow? So you know,

566
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: if you guys have been following this case closely, we

567
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: really want to hear from you because this is one

568
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: that has brought kind of been brought into the spotlight,

569
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: as you know, well according to you know, the current

570
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: district attorney. He is saying, like, listen, we are not

571
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: trying things by podcast in documentary and you know, scripted

572
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: TV show just because there's a swell of enthusiasm about

573
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 2: a case because of a deeper dive by viewers. That

574
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily change the justice system. And I'm curious, does it?

575
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: I I, where do you? Where?

576
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: Do?

577
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Where? Does everyone sit with that? We want to get

578
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: a little meta with it.

579
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: As people who make we do ask in documentaries, we

580
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: ask ourselves this question all the time. So we're not

581
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: looking to move the needle in any direction. We're trying

582
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: to remain unbiased, but we don't expect you to be unbiased.

583
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: So make sure you come on and give us your

584
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: opinion real time now eighty eight three one crime.

585
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, do so we're talking about the Menendoz brothers. What

586
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: do you think? Like, how do you feel about this?

587
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: What do you think it means for Lyle Tomorrow? Do

588
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: you think do you think Eric should have been given parole?

589
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Like what do you want to say? Give us a

590
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: call eighty eight thirty one crime or leave us a

591
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: talk back on the Hart Radio app. So, yeah, what

592
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: does it mean for Lyle Tomorrow? I wonder, like I

593
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: wonder if Lyle is just like man, I don't know

594
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: why if I'm even going to bother now, But they

595
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: have to take each case separately, right, Like, they have

596
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: to consider Lyle's behavior in prison, right, because you were

597
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: saying there were some phone infractions. With the phone infractions,

598
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: those were eric though, right, Okay, does.

599
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 2: Everybody not have a phone in prison? I'm from when

600
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm told it's not a complicatedting, I don't know.

601
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: I know that, I know what I'll do. I know

602
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: people do they get burner phones. I don't know. There's

603
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: a high stakes case happening.

604
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm not by the way, I'm not justifying having confiscated

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: a phone. I'm just saying you can call upon infractions

606
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: if you choose to, and you're the current district attorney.

607
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: By wait, some interesting stuff, right, like, So, just to

608
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: bring anybody up to speed. In California, these guys are

609
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: being held in San Diego by way together. It's very

610
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: rare for barthers to be serving time at least in

611
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: the same facility.

612
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Speaker 4: Right.

613
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: So they've had each other, but only until only until

614
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: recently though, like only within the last ten years or

615
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: so though, right, Yeah, for ten years is a pretty

616
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: significant amount of time. Right.

617
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: So, since they've seen each other and you know, their

618
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: families are really urging for their you know, removal from prison.

619
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: We know that, and they have had each other, but

620
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: it's also rare to be back to back in hearings

621
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: like this. They were almost being tried together, but yet

622
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: now they're being parrolled separately.

623
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Speaker 3: It's so well implicated. Their first wasn't their first. Their

624
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: first hearing they had, they had a jury for each

625
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: one cost the second one they were tried together exactly,

626
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: so this kind maybe that's why the Pearle hearing is

627
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: kind of like back to back.

628
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it's interesting though, because they're being probably held to

629
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: the exact same standard. So if you guys aren't familiar,

630
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: which who's who with the Eric versus the Lyle of

631
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: it all?

632
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: Which one is older? Lyle is the older one?

633
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: So Eric, Yeah, Eric, Eric infamously is the one that

634
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: basically broke down to his then psychiatrist slash therapist, and

635
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: that sort of triggered, you know, ultimately their arrests, and

636
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: and they were separated and then kind of put together.

637
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: And what kind of became known was that dad was sexually.

638
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Abusing them and there was.

639
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Rage attached to that, and allegedly mom was looking the

640
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: other way, and they were murdered. And then the boys

641
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: went on some sort of spending spree and it was

642
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: very severally hills.

643
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Speaker 3: But that was kind of inflated, though, wasn't it? Because

644
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: I remember back in the day, I'm putting myself back

645
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: a nineteen year old body, right, I remember it was portrayed.

646
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I remember it was portrayed as like they were buying

647
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: Porsches and Jake exactly exact rolixes and whatnot. But my

648
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: understanding is that they spent like twenty grand and that

649
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: was it? Is that right?

650
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: And it was it was sort of sensationalized, which is

651
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Speaker 2: why I find it so ironic because the same argument

652
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: applies on both sides, which I'm learning myself because I've

653
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: been really divided about this. Also on the one hand,

654
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: were they convicted or over convicted or overcharged because of

655
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: this like popularity and swell and media attention and banana'sness.

656
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: How ironic that years later the same media attention is

657
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: what is up for conversation.

658
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: Now, right? And remember the OJ thing that I think

659
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: that's huge. So I would say OJ was tried in

660
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: Santa Monica, that's right, And that's basically the same area

661
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: of the California that the Menanda's brothers were tried in

662
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: and the DA suffered a massive loss. Okay, a massive

663
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: You guys don't understand if you're new to true crime

664
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: or maybe you're not. You know, you weren't born yet.

665
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: The OJ thing was such a massive, big deal. I

666
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: lived in California at the time. I remember it. OJ

667
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: was driving down the five in my city. Nicole Brown,

668
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: Nicole Brown season went to my high school, so like,

669
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, right, so she went to your high school.

670
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: She did. David did not know this. May she rest

671
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: in peace. I know the did DA suffered. I can't

672
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: underscore the massive loss. They needed this win, so I

673
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: kind of feel they did everything they could to make

674
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: sure they got what they wanted fair enough. I just

675
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: feel that way. I want to follow up on that

676
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: because this current DA doesn't really agree. He's like hard no,

677
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: he's actually never given any indication since he took over

678
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: the last guy who was like really fighting for it,

679
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: he lost, and you know, some say he was fighting

680
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: for it because the shows were so popular and that

681
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: might put him in the limelight, therefore he would win.

682
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: But the new this new guy is not feeling all woof,

683
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: and that means I don't know what we want to

684
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: hear from you.

685
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, give us a call eight to eight thirty one

686
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: crime or hit the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. And

687
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: what a night it is off to I feel like

688
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: you're in a legit newsroom right now. Yeah, it's been.

689
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: It's wild because I feel a little divided and conflicted.

690
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm totally surprised and at the same time I'm surprised.

691
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: I am I'm not surprised. I mean, I get all

692
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: sides of this one. This is a complicated one. So

693
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: please jump in join the convo. Eight aed eight to

694
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: three to one crime. Eric Menendez who he and his

695
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: brother Lyle who was set for parole hearing tomorrow. Eric's

696
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: was today and you know, of course they were serving

697
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: time behind bars for murdering their parents. Sexual abuse was

698
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: brought to the forefront and he was denied. He was denied,

699
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: And I got to say, I think there's a swell

700
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: of people who are who are surprised.

701
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: Right, we have a DM. Can I go ahead and

702
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: read it? Yes? Please do. This is to our social

703
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: media from Alicia on the Menendez brothers. That letter that

704
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: was found. I wonder when that letter was sent to

705
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: the cousin if it was a Hey, if we're going

706
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: to do this, let's cover our tracks by preparing this letter.

707
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 3: That's really interesting, and you know what, I would say,

708
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: that is actually probably something that needs to be considered. However,

709
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: the Menudo thing, the Menudo thing, came out much later,

710
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 3: and I feel like it really kind of is cemented

711
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: that it was the truth right exactly. The only thing

712
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: is if the Menudo if the Menudo thing again, if

713
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 3: if you're not familiar, he there's the boy band Menudo.

714
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: They were incredibly popular back then, like extremely popular, and

715
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: he one of the band members came forward and said

716
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: that Jose Menendez was also abusing him, so basically he

717
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: cooperated it. So if it wasn't for that, then I

718
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: would think that would have a lot more validity. But

719
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: I do believe it to be accurate exactly.

720
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: And it seemed as though initially it was Eric Menendez

721
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: who was being sexually abused by dad, mom Kitty looked

722
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: the other way. Then we learned later that Lyle, the

723
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: younger brother, also you know, being abused by Dad. He

724
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: ultimately confesses to a therapist, last psychiatrist. That person becomes

725
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: the whistle below or that basically blows open this case.

726
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: And was it divine terrible timing late eighties when OJ

727
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: nine O two one zero Beverly Hills affluence over you know,

728
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: over influenced kids who are given too much money in freedom?

729
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: Was that the story?

730
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: Or were they victims of abuse who were mischarged and

731
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: therefore there what would have been a manslaughter charge which

732
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: probably had a sentence of about twenty two to thirty years.

733
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: Would that have been appropriate if all the totality of

734
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: information was allowed in their last prial or did they

735
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: murder their parents and this is appropriate? And just because

736
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: they had a lot of public attention, should their parole,

737
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, kind of be affected by that.

738
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: It's a really good question.

739
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: You know, we had you know, Robert rand earlier, I

740
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: said brand earlier, and I apologized, I got like hot

741
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: under listen, we've been a.

742
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Little frazzled ourselves. Oh it's fine.

743
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I'm turning Lyle and Kyle into benefit.

744
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 7: But you know, listen, going to jump in and tell

745
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 7: you real quick. Robert just texted and said, unfortunately he

746
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 7: got pulled away. Of course you won't be able to

747
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 7: join us for the rest of the conversation, but he said,

748
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 7: I would love to be back on Monday.

749
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 6: Fill us in on what happens with.

750
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 3: Lyle tomorrow, that'd be great.

751
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 6: So we're going to have the inside scoop with him.

752
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: First, he adorned him, We adore him.

753
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, just to kind of paint a picture,

754
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: he was going to be here for the night talking

755
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: about this case in anticipation of there being an answer

756
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: any no universe. Were we anticipating this breaking news to

757
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: happen seconds before air. So of course Robert's being pulled

758
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: in a million directions.

759
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: Right, So keep it right here True Crime tonight we're

760
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: going to be diving into all the new headlines and

761
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: possibly talking about some other cases we don't know. We're

762
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: up in the air right now, y'all. Keep it right now, cry,

763
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm eighty eight

764
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: thirty one crime. What a night this has been.

765
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, we had a show prepared that frankly just

766
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: had went out the window all together.

767
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: New developments off the coffering. Now, yeah, this is we're

768
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: winging it at this point in it.

769
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: We are winging it and yeah, but it's like this

770
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: is what it's all about, right, So we were not

771
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: expecting the Eric Mendez parole hearing to go as sideways

772
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: a that it did. They got denied, He got denied.

773
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: Lyle Menandez is up tomorrow, so of course we'll be

774
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: discussing that on Sunday and on Monday. Robert rand the

775
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: journalist who has been here from day one following this case.

776
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: He was in the trial day one, when they were

777
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: when they first had their trial, and then the second

778
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: trial and then the third trial and the parole hearings,

779
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: and he's been in the insider. So he'll be back

780
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: with us on Monday to sort of unpack these developments,

781
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll have plenty to say of them

782
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: what happens tomorrow, So we'll be following that very closely. Also,

783
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: of course, Brian Coburger at it again, new updates.

784
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, can we just agree from this point forward,

785
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: remember you were calling, We're saying FBK I came up

786
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: with a new one. So some more complaints have been released.

787
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: So I'm calling him Brian karen Berger. He is the

788
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: biggest Karen I've ever met. Okay, Brian karen Berger. That

789
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: is his name now to all the.

790
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: Karens that must be so mad to be associated. But

791
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: like the pretend Karen, like the Wonk wonk Karen, the

792
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: wh Yeah, okay, fair so no no disrespect any of Karen, no,

793
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: of course, but the character Karen, Yes, he is a

794
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: whiny pants.

795
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: He is.

796
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: He's a little bit. He's a little bit of a whiner.

797
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: And you know, well, we'll get to it. We'll get

798
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: to it. But you know now right now, if it's okay, yes,

799
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: a talk back yesterday, great, and she asked us to

800
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: look into this, this case of Kylie. Oh yeah, the

801
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: Rhode Island case. Of course, she was in Rhode Island.

802
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: The caller was the talkback person, and she asked us

803
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: to look into the case of Kylie Monteiro, who was

804
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: a pregnant girl woman I should say, I'm sorry. She

805
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: was eighteen years old in Massachusetts. And so that's what

806
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 3: we did. Yeah, So this is the spirit of the show.

807
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: If you want us to talk about something and start

808
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: following a case, give us a call eighty eight thirty

809
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: one crime or leave us a talk back and guess

810
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: what it's going to be on the show. We're going

811
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: to research it, we're gonna start talking about it, we're

812
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: gonna start following it. That's the show. Okay, so you

813
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: haven't gone to the case since the show. Yeah, so exactly.

814
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: So just for the record, you know, something like that

815
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 2: pops up and then the rabbit hole.

816
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah it's real. Yeah yeah, so it's exciting. So yes,

817
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: tell us everything. So please discover the remains of a

818
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: pregnant Massachusetts teen at her boyfriend's home after he confessed

819
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: to stabbing her. Oh this poor girl, so Kylie Monteiro.

820
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: She's eighteen years old. She's from real booth and I

821
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm saying that right, Massachusetts, and she

822
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: was an expectant mother. She confided in friends and family.

823
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: Get this, Stephanie. She confided in friends and family that

824
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: she felt unsafe with her boyfriend. His name is Gregory Groom. Okay.

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: Shortly before she went missing on August seventh, she told

826
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: her friends and family, I don't feel safe around him.

827
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: He's like maybe giving her a feeling of bad the

828
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: way she's pregnant, which is his baby baby.

829
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: Oh right, so two weeks late, two weeks go by.

830
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: On August nineteenth, authorities discovered her remains at Groom's residence

831
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: after he confessed to stabbing her, and he led investigators

832
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: to wear her body unburied, people out in her yard.

833
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: What so this guy, and he hasn't given a reason,

834
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: but he basically he basically kills his love and his baby.

835
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: Does the baby survive? It was eleven weeks okay, so

836
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: now she was and buries her in the backyard. Yeah,

837
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: buries her in his backyard. So he was arrested. He

838
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: was arrested, obviously and charged with murder, assault and battery

839
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: and a pregnant victim, assault and battery on a family

840
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: or household member, and aggravated witness intimidation. I don't know

841
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: what does that mean. We're going to find out. While

842
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: prosecutors say that groom confessed to stat he basically said

843
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: he did it. He confessed to stabbing her multiple times

844
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: in the chest and neck, and even produced a hand

845
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: drawn map directing the police on where she was buried.

846
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: And she was buried. She was buried at his grandparents

847
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: like sprawling property. So his poor grandparents, his grandparents property.

848
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: Could you imagine your grandson buries his you know, Oh

849
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: my gosh, I can't imagine anything more grotesque. Get this.

850
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 3: This is so chilling, and oh my gosh, this poor

851
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: poor girl. In one of her communications, with her family.

852
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: Kylie sent a text message to her sister and it said,

853
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: my phone is at four percent if I die, it

854
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: was Greg.

855
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, what more could she have done? I'm

856
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: so sick of hearing this time and time again, with

857
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: these red flags raising the hand.

858
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: Getting a restraining order, which.

859
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: You know, in many ways, in some places, counts for nothing,

860
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: and they're basically saying, I don't feel safe, and this.

861
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: Is the ending. This is the ending. So she, oh,

862
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: my gosh, I just got breaking news. What where? How

863
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: are you right in front of it? You should? They just,

864
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: of course you should. They just released body cam footage tonight.

865
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: No, okay, we had to bounce to that right now. Really,

866
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: this is a crazy show. Welcome everybody to the craziest

867
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: show we've ever done. We are just flying blind and

868
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: we have to we can't.

869
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 3: We have to watch it. I can't watch it. Play

870
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: it live? Taha? Can we buy it live? No, let's

871
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: hear me. Let me finish the story. It's hard for

872
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: me to concentrate. I know me too. I listen. I

873
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: just blocked out, divided, I just blacked out. Okay, back

874
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: to it, back to it. Groom contacted authorities on August eighth,

875
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: the day after she went missing, all right, and he

876
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: reported her missing. He said that she had been at

877
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: his house but left after they engaged in an argument

878
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: about whether or not she could stay with me. She

879
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: could stay with him. She's carrying his baby. Are you

880
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: hidding me? This is terrible. She had been staying at

881
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: a homeless shelter for pregnant woman. Oh my goodness, this guy,

882
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: and apparently she wanted to stay. Hey, I know so

883
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: because they were having relationship issues.

884
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: This would have never happened to any of the general

885
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: we're surrounded by right now. This is awful. The guys, listen.

886
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: The guy's house in this sh imagine would never, ever, ever, ever.

887
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: So Kylie had been staying in a homeless shelter for

888
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: pregnant woman for the past couple of weeks due to

889
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: the relationship issues that the two had been having, and

890
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: the night before her disappearance, Kylie texted her sister about

891
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: this physical altercation she and groom had, stating that she

892
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: or that he had thrown her on the ground, pulled

893
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: her hair and strangled her.

894
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: What this is reminded me of Gabby Patito and Brian Laundry.

895
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: You know, minus the you know, being pregnant part. But yeah,

896
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: talk about asking for help, getting no help, and then

897
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: your life is ended, your unborn child gone in the wind,

898
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: and this clown buries you in the backyard out of

899
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: his grandparents. You know estate, right, I have made it

900
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: in a state. I don't know if it's just sounded

901
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: like there was a lot of land. It's like twenty

902
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: five acres?

903
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 6: Is that?

904
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: Oh? Okay? Say so? Officials conducted so the night before

905
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: she sent the text message. I think I told you

906
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: that that if she was about to die and if

907
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: something happened to her, it was him. And then officials

908
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: conducted a search of Groom's property on August fourteenth, but

909
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: they couldn't find anything. So on August nineteenth, he requested

910
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: another interview with police where he confessed. So he went

911
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: to the police and he confessed, so he would press

912
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: it must have been so much the guilty. Yeah, so

913
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: this is really really sad. So he confessed to stabbing

914
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: her twice in the neck and once in the chest,

915
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: and that's the stab wound in her chest broke off

916
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: the knife blade. Groom then detailed digging a hole to

917
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: dispose of her body. And you know once she was

918
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: about five feet deep apox constantly twenty yards from more

919
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 3: the stabbing took place. So she was stabbed outside you know, yeah,

920
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: my heart for her family. What a sickening I what

921
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: a sickening ending to what it could have been a

922
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: beautiful life? Right, I'm like, so this guy sounds like

923
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: a nut too?

924
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: Can throw Can we throw him in Section J or

925
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, where's our boy coburger that he's having a

926
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: very hard time behind bars?

927
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: Can?

928
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

929
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: Can they be buds? It's a horrific tale, and we're

930
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: so sorry. We're so sorry for her family. So a

931
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: probable call sharing is scheduled for September tenth, so it's

932
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: coming up. We are going to follow with it, of course,

933
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: to can we put that on the calendar? September tenth

934
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: is Groom's probable cause hearing?

935
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: It would be amazing and appropriate. Yeah right, So just

936
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: so everybody knows too, what a probable cause here? Do

937
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: you guys even know what it is? So? Probable clause

938
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: hearing is where it's a legal process that determines whether

939
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: or not there's sufficient evidence to justify a trial. Yeah,

940
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: how could there not be sufficient evidence? And he buried

941
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: her in the backyard, and he confessed it's just the process.

942
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: And she was pregnant and has people who love her

943
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: in a family.

944
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: What a sicko?

945
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 6: Right?

946
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: What is wrong with? What is wrong? I don't know.

947
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: I feel so hot and bothered right now. I want

948
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: to get into a fight. If you want to join

949
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: us eight eight eight three one crime.

950
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to fight you. We're not going to

951
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: fight each other. You know, We're going to band together

952
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: and be like a fight club.

953
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: Okay, are we a fight club right now that's going

954
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: to go out and fight for justice in a group

955
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: matching sweatshirts?

956
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, yes, I can pull anybody. Okay, I don't

957
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: know where to go next body, you're up? What do

958
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: we do? Listen? I also want to talk about Emily Long.

959
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard about this at all?

960
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 6: Of course, yeah, Phyllis because I've been popping.

961
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: Up Emily Long. She was thirty four years old, she

962
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: was married, they had the had children, and her husband

963
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: got diagnosed with cancer all right. She's a TikToker by

964
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: the way, all right, and he had been suffering from

965
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 3: a terminal form of brain cancer. She was documenting her

966
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: struggle with his diagnosis publicly on TikTok and the days

967
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: leading up to what I'm about to tell you, all right,

968
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: apparently it was pretty devastating this news. She's thirty four

969
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: years old, he's forty eight. They have two children, Parker

970
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: who is eight years old and Ryan, who is six

971
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: years old. By the way, totally adorable. There's what happened.

972
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: She's documenting herself on TikTok okay and she's talking about how,

973
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: you know, she spoke about her determination to overcome this

974
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: depression and create normalcy for her children, like it's so

975
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: important for her children to experience a normal childhood even

976
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: though their father has cancer, and that she's going to

977
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: make this happen. Days later, she shoots them all and

978
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: then kills herself. Horrific So a three year but there

979
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: was also a three year old child there who survived

980
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 3: the incident unharmed and is now in custody of family members,

981
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: thank god. By the way, it's just really sad. Authorities

982
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: are investigating and trying to determine the motive behind the killings.

983
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: You know, you know, they don't know if it's you know,

984
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: she didn't want to live without him, and you know,

985
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: raise two children without a father and have them experience

986
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: the sadness. We don't know yet. We just don't know,

987
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 3: but it's making a lot of headline news and whatnot,

988
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: so we thought it would be important to talk it's

989
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: real life mental health.

990
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, really was happening behind the scenes there. Do you

991
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: guys know.

992
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: How hard it is to get an appointment with a

993
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: therapist in this country. Yes, it's so difficult, let alone

994
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 3: to get one that's covered by health insurance. It takes

995
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: like I needed an appointment fairly recently, and I need

996
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: to wait months. I have months to wait months. So

997
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: let's talk about that.

998
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: So that's another big piece by the way of this

999
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: community conversation. We are not mental health professions, but we

1000
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: know them, we could get access to them, and I

1001
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: think that's an important unpack. Again, this is a family

1002
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: of four, we're losing one. Dad is already permanently ill.

1003
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: What happened to lead up to this? It is so

1004
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: unusual for a mother to take that, you know, to

1005
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: kill your own kids.

1006
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: Right right, So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna keep following

1007
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: this and find out if there's any sort of indication

1008
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: that she was suffering from something like officially or know

1009
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: what happened. Our heartbreaks for the whole entire family and

1010
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 3: the surviving chih what your mess?

1011
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Thank god you say, but still like you know, way

1012
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: to leave your you know, three year old behind right.

1013
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: It has been a crazy night. If you haven't heard already,

1014
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: Eric Menandez has been denied parole at his hearing today,

1015
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 3: his brother lyle his hearing is tomorrow. What does that mean?

1016
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: And even as we're talking.

1017
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: To you right now, there's this harrowing, terrible bodycam footage

1018
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: that is being released by law enforcement in the Idaho

1019
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: student murders. We're seeing the bodycam footage real time as

1020
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: surviving roommate and friends sort of are sharing their account

1021
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: with law enforcement. And we're also getting this inside look

1022
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: into the house. I'm not sure if we're supposed to

1023
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: and I feel a little sick and a little mad

1024
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: about it, to be honest, I'm not even sure if

1025
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: we're supposed to be seeing this. It appears that one

1026
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: of the surviving roommates is talking outside of the the

1027
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: Moscow home where for incredible college students were murdered by

1028
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: this psychopath and maniac, Brian Coberger. By his own admission,

1029
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: let's say their names, Kallie Gonzalvez, Ethan Shapin, Madison Mogan,

1030
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: and Xaner Kronodle, like, let their names knock it lost

1031
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: in the sauce. Here, we're seeing this bodycm footage of

1032
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: a frank in the morning and we're in the house.

1033
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to process this right now. Body,

1034
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: I know, you're.

1035
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: You're, you're, you're on fire. Literally, No, I don't. I

1036
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know. Listen,

1037
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: we just got it right, I don't know. We haven't

1038
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: been able to watch it yet because obviously we're on

1039
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: the show, but I just kind of scan through it

1040
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 3: very quickly, and it it's, oh my god. It starts

1041
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: out with it's everybody's outside, right, And it starts out

1042
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: outside and you can hear Dylan. She's clearly frantic and

1043
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: telling the police officers or she's recounting what happened. And

1044
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: then this goes on for about three minutes and then

1045
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: they move inside and I see Hunter by the ping

1046
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: pong or by the beer pong table, and that's all

1047
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: I've seen so far. So yeah, I don't I don't know.

1048
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: We haven't been able to watch yet, but it's devastating.

1049
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: We're definitely going to unpack this and I'm gonna watch

1050
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: it when we're when we're done here, and we'll keep

1051
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: it moving. But right now, this is just breaking. If

1052
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: you want to watch it yourself, it is on YouTube.

1053
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: The Long Crime Network has it on their YouTube channel,

1054
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: and hopefully we will be able to talk about it

1055
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: as soon as we're done watching it. So yeah, it's

1056
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: just kind of insane. So right now, though I kind

1057
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: of wanted to talk about some of the Coburger news,

1058
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: this is not a lot, but they've released a couple

1059
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: more complaints that he's made. Again, this is why I'm

1060
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: calling him Brian karen Berger. Okay, so he's made a

1061
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: couple more complaints and these are are they all have

1062
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 3: and in the same timeframe, but we only got a

1063
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: couple initially, and we've gotten a couple more now and

1064
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to read them to you again. His handwriting

1065
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: is literally the worst thing ever, but I'm going to

1066
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: read them to you. You're going to get so crazy.

1067
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: Just by the way trigger alert. This is going to

1068
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: make everybody nuts. I feel so enraged right now, and

1069
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: that's a rare feeling for me. I'm not really the

1070
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: enraged one. But really, you're very level headed, right, I'm

1071
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: so wild. This was dated on the twenty seventh, and

1072
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: he was still in medical on the twenty seventh. Okay,

1073
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: so we need to keep all that in mind. Okay.

1074
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: So this is written on the twenty seventh, and he says,

1075
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: I need access to the JPay system to access and

1076
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: complete an order created on I think it's crafted on

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00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: a full commissary menu. Comm's hungry. This clown is hungry.

1078
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: He's just exhausted and hungry from killing people. This guy

1079
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: wants his dinner and his lunch now. When attempting to

1080
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: access JPay, I am given an error that I am

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00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: not set up in the system at the Sea Block. Again,

1082
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: he's in medical at this time. Okay, at the Sea Block, Kiosk,

1083
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: may I temporarily moved in the system to do so.

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00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: Thank you for your assistance. So that's all. That's one complaint. Okay.

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00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: The next one is, okay, I did not receive my

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: lunch on seven thirty. Oh my goodness, is he talking

1087
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: about lunch right now? I hadn't eat lunch today either.

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: Guess what?

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: Because I have a job and I'm working, and we

1090
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 2: have busy lives and we're trying to contribute to the world.

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: This clown, you say, yeah, where's our lunch? Can we

1092
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: just like, can we talk to somebody and send a

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: formal complaint. Where's the butler that's going to bring body

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00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: and eye our lunches?

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: Yes? Please? If he would in prison or is he

1096
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: in camp or at a spa. Well, here's the thing again,

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: I said this last night, and I kind of stand

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00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: by it a little bit. We have decided as a

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: civilized society that prison in jail and whatnot is punishment

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01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: for crimes. We have to feed them. We can't just

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: put them in prison and let them starve. We have

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: to do them vegan meals, three meals a day.

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: You know, many accounts would suggest that one meal is

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: probably the best place for your body to be.

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01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: In a state of greatness. You know, we're eating too

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: much as a society. So really, am I super concerned?

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01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: You know many stories we hear about people that we

1108
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: know and care about that maybe are behind bars who

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: are not getting their meals on time or exactly as

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: planned or per their request. Yeah, because you're in prison,

1111
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: and that's the system and now Brian Coburger, the celebrity prisoner,

1112
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: is now putting in big requests.

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01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: I say no, right, so let me I'm gonna startover, okay.

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01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: I did not receive my lunch on seven thirty, twenty

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: twenty five, despite inquiring. Although I understand that the something

1116
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: became hectic, it was never communicated to me that I

1117
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: would be unable to receive a new bag in the

1118
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: next shift was not aware of this either, to I

1119
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: wish to access.

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Speaker 2: This as I have kindergarten. Is he actually asking for

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: a middle school lunch?

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Speaker 5: Do?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what they give you. They give you like

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: a tray. It's like a yeah, I did what? Okay?

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: Just let me finish, okay, I because it's important that

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: you hear it. The way he writes it, and the

1127
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: way he writes it is is key. Okay, this is okay.

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Speaker 3: I start over now. I did not receive my lunch

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: on seven thirty, twenty twenty five, despite inquiring. Although I

1130
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: understand that the something became hectic, it was never communicated

1131
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 3: to me that I would be unable to receive a

1132
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: new bag it The next shift was not aware of

1133
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: this either. I wish to access this as I have

1134
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: a right to this meal. Thank you, And then it

1135
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: says I have tried to solve this problem informally by

1136
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: and then he says speaking with staff several times. And

1137
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 3: then the next thing it says, I suggest the following

1138
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: solution for the problem. And he says, in the future,

1139
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: I wish to receive my lunch without exception. This could

1140
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: be accomplished by sending for the replacement as rapidly as possible.

1141
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: What a great solution. That's the whole Thank god you're

1142
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: here right. Well, listen, I would suggest you don't murder

1143
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: four people. I would tend go to prison and expect

1144
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: your vegan meal the end exclamation point.

1145
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: That story is over right. And yesterday I read the

1146
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 3: complaints that we had yesterday and he had said something like,

1147
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, if I don't receive everything on my tray,

1148
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: you're not meeting the nutritial requirements as documented by your

1149
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: own policy. And immediately immediately I was like, what I

1150
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: wonder if you know the children or the young adults

1151
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: that you murdered, you know, wonder about you violating their

1152
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: policy for you know, the right to live and the

1153
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: people that you arrassed to WOSU the policy of violating

1154
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: title line media.

1155
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: How about being a total creeper and making everybody super uncomfortable.

1156
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: And then you're taking the lives of four extraordinary human beings,

1157
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: wrecking generations of lives by for all of their families,

1158
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: all of those who knew them and loved them.

1159
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: The ripple effect of.

1160
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: That will go on for generations and generations and generations.

1161
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: And this clown feels it's appropriate to be, you know,

1162
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: upset about his meals, right, I gotta tell you the nerve.

1163
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: It feels to me like it's not sinking in entirely

1164
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: to Brian Cobroger, that he's not getting the fact that

1165
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: he was spared his life and he took a coward's

1166
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: way out by not sharing any of the details or

1167
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: any of the information for reasons we'll never know. And

1168
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 2: now he just you know, wants to be treated per

1169
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: the law for prison conduct.

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: Give me a break, right, So, in addition to the

1171
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: meal complaints, which I think, you know, I mean, listen,

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01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: I do think that we need to feed these people

1173
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: and I'm starving. I am so sorry, I am so

1174
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: hungry right now. I have missed.

1175
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: I had the lamest little you know era my gas

1176
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: station food not do the trick today.

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01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 3: If anybody's listening, I would really like some chicken taco.

1178
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: Chicken taco sounds so good right now? Oh my god,

1179
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: I went right now?

1180
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: We should all be cooking together. Where's Courtney? She's the

1181
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: best cook? Can we all be cooking together? Okay, sorry,

1182
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: but you know, I mean I do think we need

1183
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: to feed them right We put.

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01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: Orridge, porridge and broccoli only like raw broccoli. Do you

1185
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: ever watch Big Brother? Of course I watch Big Brother.

1186
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: The slop they get, yeah, they should, they should get

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: like porridge. Yeah, whatever that is.

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what porridge is, but it feels like

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: that's what Brian Coberger should be having.

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: Twice a day. I don't even know what porridge is.

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 3: I don't know it. It's what Oliver wanted. More of porridge? Please?

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01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: Can I have some mold please? Anyway? So yeah, that's

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01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: a that's the update on Brian Coberger. And you know,

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 3: I understand. Can we throw away the key? Can we

1195
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: stop hearing from Brian Coburger? By the way, I I

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01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do about the body cam

1197
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: footage right now? How do we not talk about it

1198
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 3: real time? We what do we do?

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: Well, we should talk about it. Does anybody else? Can

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: somebody else watch it live? I assume you're watching it

1201
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: real time. If any of you out there are watching

1202
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: at real time, please call an eighty eight three.

1203
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 3: One crime Please.

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm dying, Adam and Sam, I know you guys are

1205
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: watching at real time.

1206
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 6: So watching it?

1207
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's borrowing.

1208
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: So what we think we are seeing, and again we

1209
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: stand to be corrected, is Dylan the surviving roommate who's.

1210
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 3: Been through it.

1211
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: I actually hate that this is being released in some

1212
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: demented way.

1213
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: Just it's like, I don't know. I reserve the right

1214
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: to change my mind.

1215
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: Please check out the podcast Idaho Massacre Season three dropped yesterday.

1216
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: Obviously we'll be covering this. But here we are, like

1217
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 3: the morning after, there's like snow caps, you know, you

1218
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: see some snow on the ground, you see ugs, and

1219
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: she's as frantic and what she's describing as a horror movie.

1220
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: And now we're inside the house on the documentary we

1221
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: did for Peacock the Idaho student murders again, I hope

1222
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: you'll watch. We did a visual three D and Lisa Bollen,

1223
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: the amazing artist, did this of what we knew of

1224
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: that house. Obviously it's been burnt down, it's been taken

1225
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: down for many reasons, but there is no.

1226
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: Real inside look at the house.

1227
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: So what I think we're seeing right now real time,

1228
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: which of course we'll continue to cover, is is the house.

1229
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, maybe we can unpack this. If you're listening

1230
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: and you're my friend and you care about me, call

1231
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: me eight at eight thirty one Crime. You don't have

1232
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: any problems texting me, give us a call and let

1233
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: us know what's going on. I need to know what's happening. Yeah,

1234
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: keep it right here. At for Crime Tonight, we're talking

1235
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 3: true crime all the time.

1236
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: It has been a night of pure madness. Eric Menandez

1237
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: he has been denied parole. If you haven't been listening,

1238
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: please catch us on the podcast right after we've gone wild.

1239
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: And also you could always hit us up in our

1240
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: socials at True Crime Tonight show on Instagram and TikTok

1241
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: or at True Crime Tonight on Facebook, or you could

1242
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: always just leave us a talk back on the iHeartRadio app.

1243
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 3: So a body I mean, where do we start with

1244
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: this this body cam footage? Well, I put on a

1245
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 3: bad signal like if you care about us, call and

1246
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: guess what can we have somebody who cares? Our girl

1247
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: in Oakland teamed through, right, Indy, Hey girl, I love you.

1248
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for calling. I put on a

1249
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: bat signal and I said, if.

1250
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 8: You care about all right, I love when I call.

1251
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 8: Now they just go, hey Andy, okay.

1252
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like the troop was deployed. The troops

1253
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: were deployed. By the way, great job.

1254
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: Also when you're reporting and kicking us off to such

1255
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: a tragic case, even just a few nights ago, so

1256
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: you're on the front lines for us.

1257
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to give her credit at the end

1258
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: of the come on yeah.

1259
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 8: Street team basically, you.

1260
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, you're just what, You're the girl in the streets.

1261
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 3: That's right. So Indy, the body cam footage, Now, do

1262
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: you guys remember when I was when I broke and

1263
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, the body cam footage.

1264
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 3: It was because she texted it to me. So that's

1265
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: how I knew, you know, because she was like, oh my.

1266
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 8: God, I'm over here doing my thing and I see

1267
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 8: that it's released. In my heart sank. The first thing

1268
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 8: I did was text you, So yes, yeah, the bodycam

1269
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 8: footage has been released. It is censored, so you know,

1270
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 8: if the people are curious to kind of see, it

1271
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 8: is out and it is censored.

1272
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 3: So did you watch? Did you want?

1273
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 8: I'm sorry I could. I cannot wait for you. I did.

1274
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 8: I have watched some of it.

1275
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to, dare you, but yeah, I dare you.

1276
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,440
Speaker 8: It's I know, I know, it's it's heartbreaking.

1277
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 4: It's heart breaking.

1278
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking.

1279
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, seeing in the interior of the

1280
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: house just you know, real time, right, We've never really

1281
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: had that benefit yet to really see and I don't

1282
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: know if we're supposed to. This is a very divided time, right,

1283
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: so we're kind of just going with it.

1284
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 3: Live India.

1285
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm curious what your thoughts are too, because look, we

1286
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: know this is the morning after people are waking up,

1287
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: police are arriving. Nine one one has been called. There's

1288
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: been a gap in time between when the murders happened

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: and when nine one was called. You know, these surviving roommates,

1290
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: thank god they survived. You know, they got somewhere slack

1291
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: early on in social media and it was so in

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01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: my humble opinion, lame. They've been traumatized and now we're

1293
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 2: seeing this real time. Their faces seem to be blurred, thankfully.

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01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so insider. It almost feels almost

1295
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: too insider, even though of course I'm so curious and

1296
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: want to see more.

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01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: What do you make of it?

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 8: It's exactly like you said, it feels like we're not

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 8: supposed to be watching it. It feels like very a

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 8: private you know, the worst time of those roommates flags

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 8: now those roommates would never be the same. I'm listening

1302
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 8: to and reading James Patterson's book and he kind of

1303
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 8: had some inside interviews and stuff, and so you know,

1304
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 8: there are certain people that came over that morning, you

1305
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 8: know that were called and you know saw them and

1306
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 8: made the decision to call them on one one and

1307
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 8: you see all of it. You see it all play out.

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 8: You see you know, the cop I think he was

1309
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 8: playing like Morgan Wallen and like pulls up, doesn't really

1310
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 8: know what's going on. And you see them, you know,

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01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 8: you see their roommates outside, and you see the roommates

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 8: shaking and crying, and yeah.

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: You know they're wearing like it seems like they're wearing uggs.

1314
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like what it would look like after,

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01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: you know, on a Sunday morning, right, So, yeah.

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 8: One of the roommates doesn't It isn't even wearing shoes outside.

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,919
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 8: And you know, it's heartbreaking, and everyone's trying to make

1319
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 8: you know, make everyone's confused, and the roomates are trying

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 8: to tell the police what happened. And I mean even

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01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 8: the police are saying like, oh my god, oh my god.

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01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 8: You know you can't hear them kind of gasping go ahead, Yeah.

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: No, I was just gonna say, you took it out

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01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: of my mouth. It's like almost like we're seeing, you know, again,

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01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: this surviving roommate who has been through it. It's sort

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: of sort of we're kind of seeing her talking it

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01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: out real time. Right, So imagine you're waking up from

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: her sleep. You you live in a house where there's

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: a lot of activity. You're used to hearing sounds and

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01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: dogs and people in and out. It's a three story

1331
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: house or like not really a three story house, but

1332
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: kind of configured that way. You're a little scared, but

1333
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to overreact.

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah. Now it's all being realized and

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 3: we're sort of seeing that right now, I kind of

1336
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 3: scanned a little bit, you know, I only had like

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: a minute to like watch what I could, and I

1338
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: kind of scanned forward and I saw hun Her Did

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 3: you see Hunter Andy?

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's in there, and you know, he's showing the

1341
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 8: cops Banner's room, and at one point you see him

1342
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 8: just crouch down. You can tell his stomach is probably

1343
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 8: a nuts and his at one point of hands are

1344
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 8: above his head and he's just standing there and he's

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 8: everyone is trying to make sense of you know. And

1346
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 8: and one of the one of the victims that his

1347
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 8: boyfriends come over and he's like, what's going on, and

1348
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 8: you can tell everyone doesn't really want to tell him

1349
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 8: what's going on. And then you see them put him

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 8: in the cop car, and everyone's just trying to make

1351
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 8: sense of what's going on. The Other thing is people

1352
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 8: did not know that Kaylee and Maddie were home, so

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01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 8: as they're trying to describe to the police what's going on,

1354
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 8: they're like, you know, one of the roommates tells them like,

1355
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 8: Kaylee and Maddy usually sweep upstairs, but I don't know

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 8: where they are, So at this point, no one knows

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 8: that Kaylee and Maddie are upstairs yet. And that's the

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01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 8: other heartbreaking thing is you tell them you know, she's

1359
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 8: telling the cop like, you know, I don't. I don't

1360
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 8: know where care and Maddie are, but their rooms are

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01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 8: upstairs and they know we know that.

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01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 3: In our morning, Yeah, they were texting them or you up?

1363
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: Are you up?

1364
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,520
Speaker 2: Like, and they hadn't gotten a response for obvious reasons.

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: Oof.

1366
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: Right, how do you feel even just seeing as Indie like,

1367
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: having just witnessed this and watched this, you know, what's

1368
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,919
Speaker 2: your what's your as a human takeaway?

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 8: And it's it's absolutely heartbreaking. It's you know, we've heard

1370
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 8: all of these things I've been following in this case

1371
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 8: from the beginning. I know, body's been falling in the

1372
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 8: skates from the beginning, and it's kind of like all

1373
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 8: of the worst fears that you've heard, like the worst

1374
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 8: part of the rumors all of these years are turning

1375
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 8: out to be true. And it's exactly kind of the

1376
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 8: heartbreaking things that we thought were happening, and it's now

1377
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 8: it's you know, we can kind of see it for

1378
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 8: our own eyes. And then you look at the house

1379
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 8: and you and you see it's just it's a kid's house.

1380
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 8: It's a student you know, it's what my college house

1381
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 8: is still looks like, you know, really.

1382
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: Best case scenario, that's what your college house looks like.

1383
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: Right It's like there's like remnants of a fun mat

1384
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: and like everybody's in and out and it's best buds.

1385
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: Remember Cally and Maddie, they were best childhood friends.

1386
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 3: I get a little choked up.

1387
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: I get a little choked up and a little covered

1388
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: in chills right now because even just a second ago

1389
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 2: in India, I'm curious what your take on this is.

1390
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: I think I probably could read your mind. Can you

1391
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: imagine we're seeing this the real time devastation and aftermath

1392
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: of what this clown and maniac has done, and this

1393
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: guy behind bars is complaining about his meal being late.

1394
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: It is like, can we what else can we do

1395
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: to this guy? It is I feel like it is unfair.

1396
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: He didn't have to give us any explanation. He gave

1397
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: us no new information. He escaped death and the humiliation

1398
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: of a trial, a death sentence trial, I might add.

1399
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: And now he's like yipping and yappin about like his

1400
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: discomfort behind bars, and he's overtired yet we're seeing the

1401
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: body cam figure. You know, they're shaking. I'm looking at

1402
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: it right now. They are shaking, and this is it's

1403
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 2: actually too hard to watch. I always I am not

1404
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: even sure if we should.

1405
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm going it is.

1406
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 8: It's kind of ironic that he's, you know, complaining about sleep.

1407
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 3: You know, given yeah what you know what.

1408
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 8: These people were trying to do, all these people trying

1409
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 8: to do, we're sleep. And so the other thing is

1410
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 8: they bring up She's explained, you know, like Ethan doesn't

1411
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 8: live here, and he's like, well, what do you mean?

1412
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 8: And she's like, Ethan just stays here sometimes, like she's

1413
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 8: like I didn't even know if he was here, and

1414
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 8: you know, and then I think of the Chapins and

1415
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 8: how just awesome they are, and it's it's heartbreaking, the

1416
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 8: whole thing they are.

1417
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,879
Speaker 3: By the way to the the Stacey Chapman and the family,

1418
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 3: like they're so great. Don't forget Ethan Chapman was a triplet.

1419
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: He had a sister and a brother. You know, they're

1420
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 3: fraternal triplets.

1421
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: Whatever that is, Like that is a closeness and a

1422
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: loss of a threesome that cannot be understated, you know,

1423
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 2: it's like again like exclamation point, underline it, highlight it

1424
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: like that is loss that we, you know, hopefully none

1425
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: of us can relate to. Yeah, I don't know. I've

1426
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: divided about seeing this right now.

1427
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 3: But everything's censored, right, like everything's is out right. Indeed,

1428
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: you're not going to see any Okay, yeah, you're not.

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 3: Just see an human emotion that's uncensored, human emasson right right.

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 8: We do know that that Ethan and Maddie have some

1431
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 8: some gag orders kind of put in place that you know,

1432
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 8: so they're not showing the rooms and things and so yeah,

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 8: I mean it's it's still heartbreaking. I want to give

1434
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 8: it a trigger warning. It is still absolutely heartbreaking. But

1435
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,799
Speaker 8: you do not see anything, you know, graphic.

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: There is something to see, like a scene like the

1437
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: Night of Again, we've been speculating about this, you know,

1438
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: there hasn't been real insight into what this home looked like.

1439
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean again, just look yet, like a couch with

1440
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: like some you know, you know, air quotes, solo.

1441
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: Cups nearby, the beer ponka. The fact that it's not

1442
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: a recreation, it's not it's not you know, because you

1443
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: did that stuff. We did that this is this house.

1444
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1445
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: But and again, like beautiful artists did it with great

1446
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: harrowing steak, it's not the real thing seeing the real thing,

1447
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: and like the last moments.

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01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 3: You're kind of removed from it when you're recreating it,

1449
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 3: right because of course, and now you're faced with like

1450
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 3: the reality of it, and it's like, oh my god.

1451
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 3: You know, these were real people and real they were

1452
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 3: really living, they were living wow.

1453
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 8: And I mean they even show you know, Kaylee from

1454
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 8: Maddie's room and they have Halloween decorations. You know, there's

1455
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 8: candles out, and it's just there were people just like

1456
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 8: you said, yeah.

1457
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: It kind of does humanize them. And I and my

1458
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: heart goes out to the you know, the Mogan family

1459
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: that people are really saying, we don't want this stuff.

1460
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: And I don't know how I feel about it. It's

1461
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 3: so real, real.

1462
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: Time and be curious not to like throw you in.

1463
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: But I know you follow all of these cases so

1464
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 2: closely and so intently. What is your take on the

1465
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 2: Menandez brothers and maybe Eric Mendez being denied parole today?

1466
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 3: Do you have any feelings on that? Totally fine if

1467
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:21,440
Speaker 3: you don't.

1468
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 8: I do, I do, I think someone I think you

1469
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 8: guys were kind of talking about it earlier, is I'm

1470
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 8: a very If you do it for one, you have

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 8: to do it for all, right, right, And you know

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 8: if just like you said, if this has happened, I mean,

1473
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 8: this has happened, I mean more times than we all wish.

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01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 8: But there is someone in jail, in prison who very

1475
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 8: similarly probably went through the same thing. And why aren't

1476
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 8: they getting that chance? And is it for money? Is

1477
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 8: it for fame? Is it for you know, for Cloud

1478
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 8: or you know, Ryan Murphy's show or whatever it may be.

1479
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 8: And that's not fair. And the judicial system we have,

1480
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 8: we already know is not fair. And so it just

1481
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 8: kind of leaves a sabercase to my mouth because it's

1482
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 8: not fair to those who it's not fair to.

1483
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 4: Already.

1484
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 3: Indian and I are like the same person, like the

1485
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: same person. Thank you, Indy, Thank you so much for calling.

1486
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you in a few minutes. Thank you

1487
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: so much for calling. It means a lot to me.

1488
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: And what a night, an explosive night, So thanks for

1489
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: hanging with us real time. That felt and still continues

1490
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: to feel. The words aren't really coming to mind. So

1491
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: again we want to hear from you. Continue to give

1492
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: us talkbacks, leave us messages. Obviously, this conversation will continue

1493
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: on Sunday when Joseph Scott Morgan is here talking forensics.

1494
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 3: Body. I mean, I feel wiped out. I do too,

1495
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: And it's only been two hours, and I honestly, I

1496
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 3: thought we had another segment left. I know, we thought

1497
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 3: I've been in the twilight zone. We really, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just been one thing after another. But you know what,

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01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: I like it. I feel very I feel I feel

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01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: hyper connected to you, hyper connected. Listen, we're like this,

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Speaker 3: We're like exactly the idea Subpataco, right, No, it's listen.

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Speaker 3: This was a crazy night. You know, we had Robert

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: rand just a wonderful, wonderful journalist, so good get Indie,

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01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: wonderful Oakland journalist, the street on the street, Indy on

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01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: the street, Indy on Street. We just it's been a

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Speaker 3: whild night. And you know the poor victims that we

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: talked about tonight. You know, it's just been a night

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 3: and I feel like I need a bubble bath with

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01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 3: some champagne and some strawberries, maybe a mimosa. Ooh, I'm

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01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 3: in Is that? Is it too late?

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01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: For Mimosa. That sounds so fun. I'm amosa. I don't

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: even saying no, I know the same.

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't even drink.

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Speaker 5: Yet.

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01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: Chicken tako so good cereal right now, and I'm satisfied.

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01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 6: So porge, no porridge.

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01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 3: No, okay, I only like checks, So yeah, to heck

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Speaker 3: with that?

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Speaker 2: Can we all agree? We can all agree on one thing.

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Speaker 2: This world has gone nuts, This night has been nuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that we've all been together, and that

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Speaker 2: Brian Burger who cares about your hunger.

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Speaker 3: I think we all could agree with that. I agree,

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Speaker 3: And you know we have a lot coming up too, right,

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tell you everything we've got coming up,

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 3: because it's okay, there's a lot. I mean, bring a

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 3: lot to bring it, bring it, bring it, we listen.

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Speaker 3: I want to first of all, I want to thank

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01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 3: Robert for joining us today, right Robert. He provides such

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01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: good expert insight and anyone interested in the Menenda's case,

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01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 3: Robert's work is instrumental. You can read his book, The

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01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 3: Menenda's Murders, or you can watch this documentary. It's the

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01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 3: Menendez plus Menudo Boys Betrayed. So we're wishing him all

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01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: the best for Lyles hearing tomorrow. We are sending him

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01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 3: a lot of strength and he's going to be back

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01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: hopefully Monday to tell us all about it. And Sunday,

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 3: you guys, my favorite day of the week other than Tuesday.

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 3: I know you Tuesday though, So it's forensic or is

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01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: it Sunday? Neils Sunday. So for Sunday we have forensic

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: science Sunday and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan's going to

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 3: be joining us and he's going to be breaking down

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01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 3: all the latest. There's some new information about Travis Decker

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01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 3: and even more shocking forensic news with Brian Coburger against

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01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 3: one Else's body farms. We're going to do a whole

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 3: thing about body farms because I just found that so interesting.

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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 3: It's a real thing. I thought it was fascinating.

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Speaker 6: Little bit of I don't have no idea what it's.

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Speaker 3: Body farms are like the scientific ground, Okay, it's usually

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 3: outside and scientists put cadavers that have been donated by

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01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 3: people who die. Their bodies have been donated to science,

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01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 3: and they put them in conditions to see how we decay.

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01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: Like they'll put some people underwater, they'll put people in cars,

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01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 3: they'll bury some, they'll leave some exposed, and they'll monitor

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 3: things like bugs, foliage, fat, you know, like just different

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01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 3: how we decay. And it tells us a lot about

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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: how people die. So it's an important science. It's an

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01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 3: important science, and it's are you there.

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Speaker 6: Because because I'm fascinated by it, I don't want to

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Speaker 6: go to this bar.

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Speaker 3: It's it's in Tennessee. So thank you for joining us

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Speaker 3: Tonightrawberries and a Crazy Night. Join us on Sunday with

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Speaker 3: Joseph Scott Morgan and we'll see you soon. Have a

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Speaker 3: great weekend, everybody, stay safe,