WEBVTT - J HOLIDAY - Bed & Breakfast Ramen

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very

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<v Speaker 1>special guests, Jay Holidays in the building.

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yay, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you really need an introduction. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find some more ways to have fun with

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<v Speaker 1>some of your hottest singles. Yeah, I like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>my one good job, but I feel like it's all

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<v Speaker 1>nothing can compare to that one text I had. I

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<v Speaker 1>had this group text before when we booked you. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, we got Jay Holiday. I had to put

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<v Speaker 1>it to bed, you know, and took everyone a whole

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<v Speaker 1>day too to get it. To get it or I

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<v Speaker 1>think just to respond damn or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sad. I was like, Yo, someone's gonna someone's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna time back right away. But I got one ha

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<v Speaker 1>high and that's all I needed. Yeah, it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was your friend, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be that would have been great.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have made a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun puns in your text.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been amazing. I mean, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, it's been a while, and I was like, who

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<v Speaker 1>can't who would I really like to sit down with?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Jay Holliday has to be on.

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<v Speaker 2>This list, But why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Though I loved it, I played your record one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million times. Well, yeah, yeah, I liked it. I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>So take me back to what you were eating when

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<v Speaker 1>you were broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Well I'm not even gonna necessarily broke, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was if this milk goes well, it starts in

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<v Speaker 2>high school, just cooking noodles as a teenager. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is beef. You know, everybody knows the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>all famous and noodles. A lot of people love chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the chicken ra I mean I think I

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<v Speaker 1>saw beef from and I said, damn, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to do chicken?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, that is not real beef.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, But this is beef. So so should I

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<v Speaker 2>not do the hot dogs because that's red meat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's red meat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, you sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean sometimes I risk one I'll eat beef

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll just get sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I can leave that out.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, tell us the ingredient.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I got cabbage here. You know what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying some green onions, that's for last. That we're just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna top it off with that. That's It's like I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really respecting the green onions. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how broken was.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I mean, this is vegetables. Vegetable is another expensive

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Cabbage and green onions don't really does cabbage count as

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<v Speaker 1>a vegetable. It's like water, What do you get from it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think? So, I mean, well, you know that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the hitting on the slice hot dogs, beef hot dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have gotten beating hot dogs. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that's all good, you know. So yeah, so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start on the cabbage because that's gonna take it a

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<v Speaker 2>little second.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is your version of gourmet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's sauced up a little bit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>really it was. It was the hot dogs in en Romen,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But as I got older then it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know what I'm saying, make it make

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<v Speaker 2>me feel like I'm actually eating the meal when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really broke.

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<v Speaker 1>When you really broke. So take me back to high school.

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<v Speaker 1>What was going on? What kind of home did you

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in? Two pair, one parent single mom.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad died when I was eleven. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I said in high school because when he was alive,

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<v Speaker 2>he was cooking all the time. My mom cooked, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was more so the U I guess, the actual

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<v Speaker 2>chef a family, you know, So we were It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>no noodles and stuff like that. But so this high

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<v Speaker 2>school she working, so you know, I'm always in the

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen with her, learning how to cook and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, were you both this was the main

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<v Speaker 1>cook did Were you guys both learning together after? Nah?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she you know, she came up in the

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<v Speaker 2>southern family, so she cooked, but my dad was just

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<v Speaker 2>bet that was more of his like a his therapeutic thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>after work. He was a mechanic, so that was more

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<v Speaker 2>uh therapeutic for him, you know what I mean. He

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<v Speaker 2>was good at it, you know. But yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just high school, me in my singing groups and my

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<v Speaker 2>mom's at work, and you know, I want to eat

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<v Speaker 2>something when I get home. So but then the carries

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<v Speaker 2>on to when I'm actually that starving artist later on

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<v Speaker 2>when I moved to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so you originally from DC from Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>DC, yeah, well the DMV area, cause I moved around.

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<v Speaker 2>We moved around a lot. Okay, yeah, we moved around

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Middle class, poor, rich, rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, I would say we was middle class. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when my dad passed away, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>my mom. You know, he was in the military, so

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<v Speaker 2>I got you know, I got benefits being his child.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean military benefits once they passed away is

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<v Speaker 2>not What kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of benefits is the military give I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to give you money. I mean they sent they

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<v Speaker 2>send you money.

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<v Speaker 1>Anymore after And did your mom reached got benefits to

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<v Speaker 1>or no or just as kids?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how the military.

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<v Speaker 2>I never was in my mom's business.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know what I got. Okay, Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a check, Yeah yeah, I got a check.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay while you were in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>When I went to high school, when I uh, when

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<v Speaker 2>I applied for college, okay, I applied to more House

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<v Speaker 2>and Clark, I got into both, decided to go to Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>Then right before school started, I was like, eh, I

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<v Speaker 2>got cold feet. Nah, it wasn't even the cold feet.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated school. Okay, I already hated school. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean school. I didn't feel like school was

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<v Speaker 2>teaching me anything. Oh, it was born. I just did

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<v Speaker 2>it cause my mom wanted me to graduate from high school.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like a right.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you applied for the colleges to a piece

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<v Speaker 1>here too.

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<v Speaker 2>In the beginning, I think, so, you know, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you come from a certain place, you're on financial aid.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, the first time I got drunk was

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<v Speaker 2>college orientation ever in life? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, but I heard college as wild, like I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>college dropout junior college. Well, I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 1>that counts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first time I got drunk was college orientation,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mom was down the street because my grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>she lived there from North Carolina, but my grandmother spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of her time down and actually in this area.

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<v Speaker 2>So my mom's at my grandmother's house and I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>drunk for the first time. So I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm getting drunk and my mom's down the street,

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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen with my mom going home? You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, I'm about to I'm about to basically

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<v Speaker 2>fuck this this financial aid up. So that was the

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<v Speaker 2>fear for me. You know what I mean. Me, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like h and it came this far without disappointing her.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I don't want to start now.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you mean mess the financial aid up?

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<v Speaker 2>Because school?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I already didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when did you realize you wanted to pursue music?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was going that was gonna be my major.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going, Oh, you're going to school for music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have dropped out. I'm talking about well but teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Rightly, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, and I still have student loans.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my group was at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I was leaving them.

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<v Speaker 2>I could get a job, we could still pursue our career.

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<v Speaker 2>I can have some money whatever, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you decide to drop out? How to Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go for it, go for it. You know if you

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<v Speaker 1>all seem little sick over the next couple of days,

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<v Speaker 1>I almost gip around it. I'll take a little nibble.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you end up dropping out of school. But

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<v Speaker 1>you said you had a group back at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my singing group. I mean I never went I

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<v Speaker 2>went to college orientation.

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<v Speaker 1>And that trunk during orientation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>I deferred for a year. You know, she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>well you don't have to decide right now. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But so so you went back to live with her? Yeah, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she make you get a day job?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? She said, but you know, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what the stipulation is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what were the stipulations?

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<v Speaker 2>If you drop you gotta get a job if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go to school right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Did she make you pay bills? I had a

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<v Speaker 1>car and she was nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember I'm getting the money for my dad. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like going a few kids in school like we

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<v Speaker 2>in the hood.

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<v Speaker 1>But how much are they breaking off these military kids?

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<v Speaker 1>You was a teenager getting like fifteen hundred dollar checks

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<v Speaker 1>probably around now, no way.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean it wasn't like I was walking around

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<v Speaker 2>in Jordan's and stuff. My parents were frugal.

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<v Speaker 1>So but the money you said was going to you.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was you spending the money on?

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<v Speaker 2>I got a car? Oh, you got my card.

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<v Speaker 1>Not you had a cardinal in high school? And clothes yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, you was flying Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Not even that though, because I had a job. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I gotta get back and forth to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're a teenager, So what's the next milestone,

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<v Speaker 1>balling teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna move out one of my group, one of

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<v Speaker 2>my group members was my roommate, and that was I

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<v Speaker 2>was about nineteen, and uh, yeah, we move out. We're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the group stuff. We lived together for about a

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<v Speaker 2>year before and I made the decision to move to Atlanta. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we left our jobs. I had two jobs at

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<v Speaker 2>the time we left our jobs. I had a corporate

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<v Speaker 2>job and then I had a part time because mind you,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been working since I graduated. I would start working

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<v Speaker 2>two months out of high school.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how doing what though.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a foul clerk at a law firm.

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<v Speaker 1>A foul clerk, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>At a law firm. So yeah, then we decided to

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<v Speaker 2>move to Atlanta. And that's where the broke starts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the started. And was your mom on board

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<v Speaker 1>with the move? She was supportive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it wasn't really her choice. I mean she

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<v Speaker 2>she my mom's a preacher, so for her, it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, all right, she knew if I put

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<v Speaker 2>my mind to it, I'll probably succeed, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she wasn't really too keen on the secondar music.

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<v Speaker 1>You played that single for her comfortably?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you do a pre face? Did you do a

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<v Speaker 1>preface to it? Like, hey, mom?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it was it wasn't overly sexual. I mean it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, if you could read and write, but still.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't overly sexual. I mean it sounded more convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>you sound like I'm your mom, and this is how

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<v Speaker 1>you're convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that sounded more like a nursery rhyme. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, well, what did your mom think?

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<v Speaker 2>She was proud. I think for more so for her

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<v Speaker 2>it was the fact that I pursued it and I

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<v Speaker 2>did it, so for her she did. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think it dawned on her what it was about, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But before until the interview

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<v Speaker 2>started coming, until the interviews and then you know people,

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<v Speaker 2>then now the subject matter of the song that talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she got a little uncomfortable. Damn. Wait, wait, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get there yet. Wait tell me how

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<v Speaker 1>before you get to the top of the mountain. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, like what transpired between you moving to

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta being broke before the singles?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so we moved into t A Anthony Anthony Tate,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony t A Tate. He he moved us to God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right there, right there, Okay, gotcha than you.

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<v Speaker 2>He moved us to Atlanta and basically he was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>he was gonna get this a deal and we was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sign and and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, the Dreamer and what was the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a good deal? Bad deal? Looking back, I

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<v Speaker 1>always hear the first deals are.

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<v Speaker 2>He was what they call a production company, like a

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<v Speaker 2>social death bad boy. So I mean, for us, we

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<v Speaker 2>made it, you know, even though that wasn't the major deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We still was like we're making the right steps. They

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<v Speaker 2>start getting us in the right rooms, you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>the right writers and the right producers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you didn't write that song. You didn't write dream

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<v Speaker 1>Road and oh Dream wrote it, freaking dream of course

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<v Speaker 1>Dream wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dream wrote that. Okay, I should probably take this

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<v Speaker 2>off because it's still system and that rough. But let

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<v Speaker 2>me just place that right there. But yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 2>moves us in the house. We do our all our

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<v Speaker 2>meetings were sitting in front of the La reads like

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<v Speaker 2>the Craig Countons and you know heads of ladies, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody was signing groups. Nobody wanted nobody wanted a group.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody was just kind of well, we like the lead

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<v Speaker 2>singer though, But me being lawyer, I'm like, no, they

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<v Speaker 2>got to take the group, which led to us not

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<v Speaker 2>getting tigned, you know, and so after trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>make that happen, it uh, it just didn't work. And

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<v Speaker 2>I but I told them, I was like, look, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a couple more meetings set up. If these

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<v Speaker 2>meetings don't work out, I'm gonna have to separate, have

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<v Speaker 2>to do my do my own thing, because I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>at that point, I was on eighty five eighty eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of the songs, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, as the lead, as the kind of lead.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you're a group, but you were the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah I was. That was what they would call

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<v Speaker 2>the reason. Yeah, but so yeah, that's done. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was just do I want to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of tired of this music. We gotta do

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<v Speaker 2>all the music because everybody in the in the industry

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<v Speaker 2>that would sign us heard what we have and need

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<v Speaker 2>to do new stuff, and I just wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we I think at that point I had just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ugrued them in the in the mental state of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I have the energy to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing all the work for everybody, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, in the group.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because in a group, everybody plays their part, but

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<v Speaker 2>I still feel like you're only as expendable as you

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<v Speaker 2>as you make yourself really in any situation that's in life.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, it was just kind of like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know if they want it as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as I do. I don't have the time to just

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<v Speaker 2>sit around and just watch them just be on PlayStation

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, like their passion wasn't as heavy

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<v Speaker 1>were you.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, they felt complacent into being like, well, we just

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<v Speaker 2>group members, you know what I mean. So for me

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<v Speaker 2>that was just kind of like what are we all

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<v Speaker 2>really here for? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 2>it went from that to we didn't that meeting didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that meeting was supposed to be with so so

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<v Speaker 2>deafit so that meeting didn't really happen, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen, and that choice was made, you know, So

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I'm about to Soft's package. Okay, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that decision was made, so that's what it was. And so,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, he moved us, TA moved us into

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<v Speaker 2>his house. So that's where we were living. So at

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<v Speaker 2>that point it was kind of like, all right, well

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<v Speaker 2>he's solo, y'all. So I knew he wasn't gonna keep

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<v Speaker 2>putting the bill for them, so everybody else have to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go. They spar so I'm there by myself

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<v Speaker 2>might end up with one of these meals on one

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<v Speaker 2>of those lights. It's not not making no money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I left my jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>And then how did your how did you deal with

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<v Speaker 1>your band meant members or did they have any negative

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<v Speaker 1>things to say about you when you guys broke up?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're adding more seasoning to it. Okay, I respect it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is got the garlic powder and powder. I respect it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very uh high end. Okay, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>just just just okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't never seen somebody season the season in, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so except for bone Thugs. Bone Thugs

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<v Speaker 1>went went to town. They was at a miracle whip

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<v Speaker 1>and mustard and male.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something else, that's something else. That's something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I think they call that the spread.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they call that.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like jail jail house whels. Probably Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks legit. It looks good. It looks really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you may may not like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm telling you just from eyeballing it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be salty. Was the last when was the last

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<v Speaker 1>time you had to.

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<v Speaker 2>See I don't use I don't use this particular brand

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<v Speaker 2>because of the salt. Yeah, oh really, because I mean

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have to use the whole pack. But

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<v Speaker 2>I figured this. You said you want it, I want

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<v Speaker 2>want that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want that one I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily eat this. But yeah, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's I had a servant something, but here.

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<v Speaker 1>We have those. We have what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>A servant something you want like a serving spoom, don't

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<v Speaker 1>burn yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I turn them off.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. You got this.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't break my noodles, which most people do, so

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<v Speaker 2>this doesn't happen. Okay, But I guess it's just deciding

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<v Speaker 2>to give you all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me, let me help you out, help me out,

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<v Speaker 1>because I try, because you should have broke the noodles.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Usually one usually one person would eat this, so

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<v Speaker 2>it would just go exactly you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>We had this discuss you got before.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go, there we go, there we separated.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry for that. For what I apologize. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a chef though by the way, I think I am,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not. This clearly proves it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I got it, I got it. There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so dogs everywhere? You know, you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have any hot dogs? And then you're good. You got

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<v Speaker 2>because you didn't really want. Now and anyway, I give

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<v Speaker 2>you some want some cabbage?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got some cabbage.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I just want to do Can I do.

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<v Speaker 1>The green on anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I was gonna yeah, and you should absolutely to

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<v Speaker 2>your So yeah. So yeah, I'm at the house by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where I guess you could say say Holliday

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<v Speaker 2>was born. That that was the beginning of my actual

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<v Speaker 2>like real solo journey. So yeah, and I was it

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<v Speaker 2>was a stand up decision, but it was a hard decision. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course than my brothers. And what's funny is we

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<v Speaker 2>just recently started a conversing again.

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<v Speaker 1>So are they like, Yo, let's let's bring the group back.

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<v Speaker 1>You I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the guys was he was always the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the funny man in the group. You know, he's gonna

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 2>always jump about it. But I know he's dead as serious.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what I mean, that's that's my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say when they when they you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's changed the subject, you'd be like, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just like, I can't wait till we all hang

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<v Speaker 2>out again and we just sing like not profect. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't ever be like, why don't you have us

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<v Speaker 1>open for you? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>They've never said that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's try this. Let's see how salty. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see how salty or unsalty. You didn't break these noodles.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't the whole the whole noodles is gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>We could just tell you haven't eaten noodles in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? I I do eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm done. I mean, it's good, the brand that

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You taste the hot dogs too.

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<v Speaker 2>I usually I usually would leave more water in there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's delicious. It's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, but no, it gets you through though. It

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>gets you through, you know. And another good one is

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<v Speaker 2>hash browns with chili and cheese from waffle House, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's another story.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to waffle House yet. Guys, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen. It's not a.

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<v Speaker 2>Crime, but that's how long you're gonna be here, you

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<v Speaker 2>should go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be here till Sunday. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get Ryan to put together the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to a club, hang out till two o'clock in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, get really drunk, go to waffle house, and then, uh,

0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.879
<v Speaker 2>that's the place. That's the only that's the real waffle

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 2>house experience, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey's also been telling me in Atlanta, you gotta go

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<v Speaker 1>to the strip clubs. I don't want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the strip clubs, but she's like, it's a whole experience

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:02.360
<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it. I mean, if you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>See that response right there, that's where my head's been living.

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like, you know, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>and that might not be your cup of tea, so

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.919
<v Speaker 2>it might just be uncomfortable for you, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a time. You know what I mean? Over real,

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>depending on the type person you know? Are you scared

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself in there?

0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Scared of myself? What you mean? You know what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been known to change people, change people.

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<v Speaker 1>I told every looks that's that tastes right there. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to get me to go to strip club.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women.

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I can tell of a woman's beautiful, but that's as

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<v Speaker 1>far as it goes.

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, she's beautiful, but it's a party. It

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 2>just depends on which one you go to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a necessity.

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<v Speaker 1>Though at first I thought she was talking about going

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<v Speaker 1>on a male strip club. I was like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see a guy in the throng.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, that's that's strip club. It's going to change the

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<v Speaker 2>whole namic of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Over real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're in Atlanta, Okay, this ain't no like up

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<v Speaker 2>North mail review type of strip club.

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Wait, they do have male strip clubs there.

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>They have one. I think it's closed now. I'm not

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 2>sure because I never went.

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 1>So no woman wants to see a guy in the thong.

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 1>This is never there's like nothing masculine about it, just

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>completely not masculine at all. But but so you're recording

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.719
<v Speaker 1>this solo album, and what's your thought process? Are you

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.680
<v Speaker 1>harder on yourself not as hard thinking everything's a hit?

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Take me to that mindset.

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It was new, you know, not being able to look

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 2>to my left for right and see my group, you

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And the fact that I made

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that decision, it's like I can't tell m you know,

0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:00.719
<v Speaker 2>because some people that leave their group sto't ness fatally prosper,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, or become successful. But now I just started

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>recording songs. I didn't even know what my sound was

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna because I've been with groups for so long and

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a song on my first album called Fatal that's

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 2>actually my group. That's one of the songs we that

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>we had, and I said, I have to keep this song.

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just I started recording songs, and then

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 2>eventually I got homesick. I'm like, I'm by myself, so

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I went home. I went to DC for like two months,

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and I almost didn't come back to Atlanta. It was

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>just one of those moms saying, eh, I can always

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 2>go back to work, you know what I mean. But

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I got in the studio while I was there and

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 2>did a song called back on My Lap. And I

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>always tell everybody this that that was like my resignation letter, like.

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm tired, and how old were you at this time?

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 3>It is.

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was tired of doing that, you know. I

0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>was tired of being broke, you know, going from having

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>two jobs to nothing, two jobs, two cause crib to

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing to chasing the dream, you know what I mean.

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I did back on my Lap, and at this time

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I was twenty three every time, okay, twenty two, twenty three.

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Of course when I came out, they said I was

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.919
<v Speaker 2>twenty one. Of course, total lie. Of course I had

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>learned to do that. But I did back in my

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>lack and I sent it to my manager and my

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>manager said, get back, get back to Atlanta. Immediately we

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 2>got work to do, because I guess at that moment

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 2>they was like he.

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Found his his voice or his.

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Thing, you know what I mean. And from there we

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 2>just started. I was like, but if I come back

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>down there, bro I need some money.

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>So that's what I was about to ask, like was

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you doing it on your own money? At that point

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>or did they send you a check or say, well,

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>what will happened? Oh?

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Did who sent me?

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>When your manager said come come back out here?

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<v Speaker 2>Nah? It was just gonna be like I had family

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta, you know, So I went to stay with

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>family for a little bit, like my aunt. My mom

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.719
<v Speaker 2>is one of eleven. So there's not too many places

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 2>on the East Coast that I can go that. I

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>ain't got nowhere to stay, you know what I mean.

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>But yes, I stayed with my aunt for a little bit,

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I told him, I said, if I came

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>back down now, I gotta get some money, bro, you know.

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 2>So he got me the gig to reference suffocate. I

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>was referencing it for a mayon.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean referencing it?

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Just singing the song so they can send it to

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>him Dream wrote it so but I guess he didn't

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>want to send his vocalus. His vocals weren't bad or nothing,

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just I guess they wanted to send it

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 2>with a different voice on it as well. I'm not

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>exactly sure. And my manager just says singing so they

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>can't sell it. Cool. So that's what I did, or

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>at least that's what I thought I was doing, and

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I got paid two hundred and fifty dollars to do that,

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 2>so I was all right, cool, I can make money

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>while we were still figuring it out. And long story short,

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 2>getting I so once I did back of my lick.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I think at that time I had fatal back in

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>my lock a song called Ghetto that ended up on

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the album, and it was a song with a ball

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 2>and MJG called city Boy that didn't make it, but

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 2>that was my demo and that's how I got.

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Signed off that demo, and then the Suffocate went to

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a Mario's crew and then but you ended up keeping it.

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>No I get I don't know if you heard it.

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know. That was just what I

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>was told that I was referencing it for him, and

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason they he didn't take it or he

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 2>never got it, or I don't. I'm not sure on

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>that part, And but that comes back and later in

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the story. It's just I did Suffocate way before I

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 2>even got signed, before I got my dual.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, So then what happens next?

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Capital signed me off that off the demo. Capital signed

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 2>me and did.

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>You get a nice check hell on. Now what was

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the deal looking like?

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Because see my deal was with Music Line, which is

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:33.199
<v Speaker 2>that's that was a Tha's company. And you know, I

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>mean production companies basically do deals with with the label,

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they're basically doing the deal where it's

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 2>like we're providing the artists. So I'm signed to Capital,

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>but you're.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Really signed to the production company. Right, Okay, I'm learning how.

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how eighty five South is.

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>You guys are production companies living all quiet over there.

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I do that a lot.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 2>But so, yeah, we doing music. I get in with

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Dark Child We Do Be with Me, which ended up

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>being the first song that we put out with the video.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Then it hit, but it didn't quite you know. It

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, there's a new artist on the scene,

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>but let's see what else he can do kind of response,

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. So they was like, Yo, we need a

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>we need a we need a single single. That's how

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>we got Bed.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>And then what was your feelings when Bed took off?

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like the song when I first heard it.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not gonna say I didn't like the song.

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>That would be a lie. I liked the song, like

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, dream wrote it, so he also referenced it,

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and but when the reference was in falsetto, like from

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>top to bot and so while I was trying to

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>record the song, I just was like, I'm not I

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>don't want to sing this whole song in falsetto. That

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>just feels stupid to me. Like not. It was just like,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>all right here, dad, that's cool. I get it. And yeah,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the engine it was just he was like, well, if

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you was singing different, how would you sing it? I said,

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 2>started from the top and that's how it came out.

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.959
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when it does good, where are you? Like?

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 1>What's your mindset? Are you cocky?

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm not gonna say I was cocky? Uh. I

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>mean it's for anybody to sit in this position and

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>sit and lie and don't say they feel a certain

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of way, you know what I mean, like they

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>would be lying.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>But tell me how you felt.

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean I felt good. I felt like I was

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a shit.

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>How was you acting? It was you acting like, hey,

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm the shit?

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Well see this thing that would be a yes saying

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and no. Because I'm very knowledgeable and like the industry

0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and contracts and stuff like that. So even in moments

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>that I might act like that, I might act like

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm cocky, or somebody might be like, why you're acting

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>ericant or whatever. I can also back it up on

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the being knowledgeable. I'm not just the artists and they

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>hated that. They hated that about me. Who's they just

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:20.479
<v Speaker 2>label people? You know, they don't like smart artists. What

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>do you mean they want you as dumb as you come?

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Were you asking questions like where's my checks? At?

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>No? No, it was just they just never could get

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>over on me. Oh, they never could change me. They

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>never could make me been to their to their will?

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>What types of things were they asking you to do?

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>That would be like been to your will?

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Just if I feel uncomfortable, I feel uncomfortable, you know.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>And it was small, it was small situations that It's

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>just like, if you treat your artists like you actually

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>care about them, would have been so easy. But when

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like you're making something so small so big. Now

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>now I have to stand on it because now I

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're not respecting the act that I'm telling

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 2>you I'm uncomfortable.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Can you give me an example.

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm growing up in church, you know, you know, when

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 2>you go to church, you gotta dress a certain kind

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>of way. And my mom was very much one of

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>those parents until I got you know, maybe seventeen fifteen, sixteen.

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, she wasn't as hard on me about it.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>But like I was in church clothes all my life.

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>So you know, when they tell me because I sing

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>R and B, I have to dress like this, I

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>don't want to dress like that, not at this moment

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>in my life. Maybe I might change my mind later,

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>who knows, but right now, you're not telling me that

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to dress that way. It's just I've did

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>it my whole life. Let me be comfortable. I did

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>this to be comfortable. Yeah, you know what I mean?

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Soo something so small, like just leave me alone about it?

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>What they want you to be? Like a sex symbol type.

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I guess if that's what you call it, I don't know,

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, And there's situations that call for that, but

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not walking around like that every day. Yeah, like

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>my wardrobe can't just slaxing buttons outs like, I get it,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>But on those moments, I know how to respect the situation.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a lot of conversations with your mom

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>about your career when you were going through a lot

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>of those.

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Things, not that I can not that I can say.

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>She would always ask and I would always tell her

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to all the positive stuff.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I never you never told her the negatives.

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just never wanted her to worry about me. Okay,

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, you know she's one of them moms.

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 2>She a praying mama too, So you know, shit, I

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>just felt like I had to call you. I felt

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>it them a spirit, you know. So the minute you

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>tell her something that she's just like, oh, that don't

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>sound too good, then it just it puts worry on her.

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I ain't want to do that too.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So during this point where you're doing extremely well,

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>was there anything outside of the labels trying to package

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you a certain way that was something that was eye

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>opening to you during that whole rise?

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I opened it in which way, cause I mean there.

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Could be you could do a negative and a positive way.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean something that it's I mean, it's real easy,

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like something like so my mom like

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I me and my mama close, but and she she

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>raised me well you know what I mean. And she

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 2>always taught me to be a leader, not a follower,

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and if you get drilled in the hell in the

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 2>head with that as a kid, you just kind of like, ah,

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I I hear you, but you know that's what she

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 2>instilled in me. Yeah, So for me, it was just like,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't tell me that I have to go left.

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah one my mother said, I didn't have to. But

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>now if you can explain to me what a compromise

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>can be going left and we get to a compromise,

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 2>while I'm comfortable, that's different. But they don't never want

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>to compromise with the artists because to them, you should.

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Be doing what we tell you, Like we know the

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>system works.

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we know this, but they're just nine times out

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 2>of ten they're trying to recreate something that they've already

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:25.720
<v Speaker 2>seen instead of just letting artists evolve like they always do.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you like? Did you like being an artist? Is

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:30.919
<v Speaker 1>it because there was a reason why you stepped away

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit, right?

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot of that was more so just business.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 3>But.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, the reason why you stepped away.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Nobody never really steps away from music because they just

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 2>want to step away from music. Sometimes it's just the

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 2>right situations aren't presenting themselves, or you know, some some

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>artists make it bad for themselves.

0:35:58.680 --> 0:35:59.479
<v Speaker 1>Some artists what.

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>They make get bad for themselves. You know. So it

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>just it depends on why people Steparwight. But for me,

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it was just I was signed to Death Jane for

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>two and a half years, and you know, you can't

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 2>you can force the label to move, but if they

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>don't really care, like if they're like, we're not gonna

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>lose anything, they're not gonna move, they'd rather let you go.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Then did they let you go or did.

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>You not asked to be released? Yeah? And that was

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that was with Death Jane. Well I did that with

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Capital and Death Cham But okay.

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Were you at Deaf Jam when Jay was running it.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I think I came. I got signed right before he

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>took over. But that was where that breakdown happened. You

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. La Re signed me and then

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>La Re left and then came in and Jay. So

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, people that run those labels, they have their

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>go to people that they already have in mind that

0:36:54.040 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>they yeah, yeah, like I'm I'm up against Rihanna, Rianna,

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Neo Dream, Kanye, like all these people were already on

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>this label. Yeah, you know, but you know they were

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they were running things. You know what I'm saying. So,

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean I can always say I was still I

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>was signing to Depth Jam, but you know a lot

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 2>of artists always wanted to be able to say that.

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 2>But and I have nothing against Depth Jam, Death Jam,

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Brand New systemhow labels running system. They didn't do me

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 2>a disservice. It was just one of those like the

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Death Jam play was more so uh uh, I'm not

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>on Capitol no more. But yeah, get this boy a

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.479
<v Speaker 2>check real quick. That's how people get checks. You signed

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 2>to a label to give you an advance there it is.

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>So what made you say I want to get released?

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh so you know during that time, I'm doing mixtapes

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that just to let people hear stuff

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>like I'm still working. You know, I'm on Depth Jam.

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 2>But they'll get to me eventually. I never nah, I

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>never said anything bad about Death Cham. But yeah, so

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 2>when I would put stuff out, you and G kept

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 2>blocking my songs because I'm technically with Universal Music. So

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dang, well, but why were.

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 1>They block and old because you got released?

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm not supposed to be putting our music. This

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>is because it's not coming through death Cham. Well, this

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 2>is before I got released, but I don't. I can

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>release whatever I want to, you know what I'm saying,

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>as long as I fulfill my commitment as far as

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>albums and stuff with the label if they if the

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 2>label asked me for an album, I need to have

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 2>an album ready.

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>But there also the flip side to that, which a

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of artists don't do, is if I have an

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 2>album ready and I said I have an album ready,

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the label is supposed to move on that too. That

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a two way street. That's how it's supposed to be.

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>So if they don't release the album, you could still

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>put out music.

0:38:58.320 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>You should be allowed to do that.

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>But but you it just depends when you when you

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>did it? Did YOUMG? You said, UMG block blocked them?

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by that? I mean.

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:14.919
<v Speaker 2>Technically property of UMG? Who blocked own? Who owns death

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Chair distribution? Dislike? Might be like YouTube and stuff like that.

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:23.240
<v Speaker 2>It is before YouTube there was a a monetization of YouTube.

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>This is when you're just like, I listen to my stuff,

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>go to my YouTube channel. People wasn't really making money

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>off YouTube at that time, but they was. I mean

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's fair. They had the right to do that.

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 1>But when you say blocking, I don't understand what did

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>they block distribution?

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Did they know they could they could have? So your

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:46.240
<v Speaker 2>song can't be played in a public form that because

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>now YouTube is like, well we can't go against Universal.

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:51.919
<v Speaker 2>We're not trying to end up in a lawsuit because

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>of that. It's it's a whole long stretch of So were.

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.439
<v Speaker 1>You at least doing shows to to make money during

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>all of this? Like how are you eating.

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>At this point? So, I mean before all of this,

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>when things at a high point, you know, I mean,

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 2>which we skipped over a lot of that, but I

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>mean it's like being on an Archaelly tour, going on

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 2>tour with Keisha call doing this the total Trade songs,

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Like I did all those tours. But when things around

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 2>the Death Jam time, it's like I'm still only known

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 2>for my first album, but I had two albums out,

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, so you know, the shows slowed down, and

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean that just happens.

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>What was like a highlight during your career where you

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 1>were like you it was a definite highlight where you

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>were like I've arrived.

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>When I did Jay Leno.

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Why particularly Jay Leno.

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because back then it was just like that

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>was the thing to do. I was one of the

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably last people to perform because I was

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 2>only like the last season. But and then I got

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>a chance to do our sing in Hall. But yeah,

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>those moments were being nominated for Grammy. I mean there's

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a list of things, like it's not just one, things

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that I never asked for. I thought that I would accomplish.

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Like my dream was to just drop a song. I mean,

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>dropped a song myself on the radio.

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>So surpassed that. And how was it listening to it

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>on the radio?

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean as well as you can imagine, I will,

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. At this point, I've heard sung listen

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>to that song. I couldn't even get put a number

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 2>on how many times. But it's there's always going to

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>be something special when you hit yourself on the radio.

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just like y'all playing me it no

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 2>matter how old it is, how knew it is, it's

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just a because the city's listening to that.

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So coming or whatever. Yeah, So coming from being a

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>preacher's kid and then getting into the industry, which is

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely not I would say, preachers, preacher kids, supportive, what

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of center center is lifestyle?

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Things?

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you do you the contrary to what you were raised?

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>There certain lines that you crossed.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of weeds smoking, It was a

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:42.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of alcohol drinking, and a lot of extracurricular activities. Yeah,

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>what they was what they would consider the world of

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 2>fornication and saying yeah, I mean it's it's the industry. Man,

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>if you're not rooted a certain kind of way, it

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>can get you. They can get you.

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Can you give examples of how it could get you.

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, man, just getting caught up into that life, that

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 2>fast life, the drugs or or whatever you know, or

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>just the fame it self. You know, fame is addicting.

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily care for it, but that's just because

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:32.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm also I'm an introvert, which don't really work well

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.959
<v Speaker 2>with what I do. But I know how to treat

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>my fans, you know, I'm very respectful to them. But yeah,

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 2>you can you can get lost in this and and

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 2>most of these people are not your friends, you know,

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 2>they're just not. But it's a it's a it's a

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a networking type of industry, you gotta hey,

0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 2>what's going on that you gotta play the game.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. I've worked like different jobs. I've worked regular

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 1>jobs and I've been in the industry, and I always say, like,

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>when I work a regular job, I walk away with

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>real friends. In the industry, it's kind of it's interesting,

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>like you could work with a team for ten years

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and walk away and those people are really your friends anymore.

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 1>It's like that chapter is closed. That's it. I mean,

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 1>to some degree, there is some level of friendship, but

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>I will say like that was like I remember doing

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>like ten years and walking away with like, wait, no,

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>one's like.

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 2>It's weird.

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, we're for each other, and it's like,

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:45.720
<v Speaker 1>oh I exited.

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the sad thing. And that's across industries, but.

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>With no Like I feel like if I worked at Walmart,

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I walk away with more friends than if I was

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in the industry. I feel like if I walk away

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 1>from the industry, then I don't walk away with the.

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Friendships because this industry and entertainment it's about being better

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 2>than the other person. It's it's stopped being about how

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 2>good and the quality of whatever it is is I

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know why, but I and I'm appreciative, especially like

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.760
<v Speaker 2>platforms like this where people can have real conversations because

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's just becapping, just too much going on,

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's people will use you and be

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:31.919
<v Speaker 2>your friend, they will befriend you for what they need

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 2>from you.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sometimes I think like when it comes to the industry,

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>there's not enough meat on the bone, so it's like

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a doggy dog world. And maybe that's why there's no

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>like real authenticity, authenticity in the friendships here.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but there are some here, There are some here.

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 2>There are some very great relationships, but those are like

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 2>one and few in between.

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I work with Nick Cannon for a

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.439
<v Speaker 1>very long time, and when I first started working with him,

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the things the way he moved didn't

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 1>make sense. But then like by the tenth year, I

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, yo, like this dude is paying attention to

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>everything in the room, like without looking, you know, And

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I started to like see, like there's like an extra

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>set of eyes you need to have. It's just a

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>sense of clarity you need to have and you gotta

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 1>pay attention to like what's not being said more so

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:28.280
<v Speaker 1>than what's being said.

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely right. God couldn't set it better myself. Yeah, I

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>mean it's so many times I could tell you that

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a better relation and you would think it's different.

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have some very good relationships, especially like

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 2>in the male R and B because that you know,

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they think that we don't know each other, we don't

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>get along or we don't talk because we all sing

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 2>R and B. But like you'd be surprised, we all

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 2>actually get along very well. But even within those group

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 2>of people, there's maybe a few I fight for and

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a few are with' you know what I'm saying. But

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:10.319
<v Speaker 2>that's because there's different relationships there, you know, and it's

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of fine. It's I ain't even gonna say it's

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard to find. It's very hard to find

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 2>people that are authentic. But that's just because, like you said,

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>it's doggy dog.

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>There's definitely doggy dog.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I want that money. I want that back.

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my mother raised me, uh, don't praise money,

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, which is probably horrible when you're thinking about

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 2>generational wealth, you know what I mean, because you kind.

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Of have to, well, generational wealth is likes I would

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>say it does starts somewhere, but I like generational wealth

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I feel like it's somebody gotta do it,

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>someone's gotta Yeah, I guess started somewhere, I guess. But

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I will say this in the testament to the industry

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 1>is that I will say that it's a male dominated space,

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 1>but shout out to the women because I do feel

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 1>like the women of the industry definitely stick together a

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 1>little bit better. I don't see as much hater raid

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in the women behind the scenes. We bought be hating

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>on y'all. Like there's a lot of manicab in the industry.

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 2>The thing though, and because it's like where's the line

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>of hate versus opinion? Now, you know what I'm saying,

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 2>because like I can call any opinion you hating. Yeah,

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:31.359
<v Speaker 2>so it's like when are you really hating? And when

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>is it still opinion? Because I feel like people are

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>allowed to their opinion, but then it's and so we're.

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>We're in a cancel culture age, so everyone's scared to

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 1>give an opinion and then and then they scared to

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>give an opinion. But the second like you give an opinion,

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 1>you a hater.

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's happened to me multiple I was just called.

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>The hater in the previous episode.

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:59.359
<v Speaker 2>To day but my brother. But yeah, it's I mean,

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so I just I literally stopped having an opinion about you.

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's really yeah, I mean because it's it's exhausting.

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>It's exhausting. Like when you're talking to people and you're

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 2>giving them your opinion, I mean they may agree with you,

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 2>they may not. When it's a world of people, that's

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>just like if you're not on that the big opinion

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of the mask, they don't want to hear that, you

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.760
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Like nobody wants to take accountability

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 2>or actually be told something is messed up.

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, yeah, I guess. I guess. So are you

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>out of the music industry in totality? Like when when

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>are we going to hear something new?

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean I predominantly do more touring than anything I've

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 2>been recently on. This just touris R and B Kickback Tour.

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 2>When Young Fly Entertainment that it's like an it's like

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 2>a never ending tour. It's just well just be bouncing

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>around all year. Wow, you know what I mean with

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>up it's the R and B mail you know, tour,

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 2>but no, I have an artist that I'm working on

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 2>right now, you know, so being independent, you know, signed

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.760
<v Speaker 2>myself to myself for whatever I do in the future,

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.479
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to do business with Holiday Music Group

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 2>because I'm I'm just not taking the other route again.

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather be the production company than that that does

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the business with the label versus me being just an artist.

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 2>So I have an artist that I'm actually about to drop.

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 2>His name is Rico Anthony. He sings, But that's my

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>focus right now.

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 1>That's after experiencing like how the labels handled you. Do

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you handle your artists with like I know what works

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and what doesn't? Or do you listen to him a

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit more because you got to see both sides.

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I tell them the truth. I'll keep it fresh, like

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I just I put them up on game, you know

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Incorporate your company, come out being signed

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to yourself that way, so.

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You're like looking out for him while doing business with him.

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, because it's you don't have to take

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 2>all of an artist's money, you know what I mean,

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Like if you believe that this artist is going to

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>do well, you know what I mean, Like if you

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:33.959
<v Speaker 2>think your artist is only going to make one hundred

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.919
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, then I can see how you might think

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 2>ten percent is why would I want ten percent? No,

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 2>we want fifty percent. Like you, just artists stay more.

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 2>They stay more themselves and create and evolve better when

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 2>you give them a platform to actually know that they're safe. Yeah,

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like some of these artists

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>just get money thrown at them, and they're like, good

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 2>because I got this.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>But so let's talk money for a second. So when

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you were at your peak of peaks, were you making

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money or was it like a similar

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>TLC type situation where you weren't making as much as

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>big as you were, Because I'm always curious about that now,

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:19.839
<v Speaker 1>especially in the world of likes.

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I was speaking good money. I mean I still make

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 2>good money, but I mean I was obviously a different time.

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>But I know I've never been in the three sixty though,

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what it feels like to not

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 2>get certain things that just are old to artists.

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like you get all your touring money, you

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>get all.

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will label will never get my tour money.

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a great deal.

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I've never been in I didn't even sign

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 2>a three sixty when I signed the death job.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I think that's right around the time when

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they started dropping those, wasn't it.

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 2>They was they were starting to come in quick. They

0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 2>was covering there quick. For sure. They was just hitting

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 2>everybody with three sixties. But yeah, so, I mean then

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it was you gotta think coming and that comes from

0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 2>my mom, like I said, was one of eleven. They

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of you know, they didn't get a

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 2>chance to build any kind of wealth growing up, so

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing to pass down to any you know

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:27.360
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So it's like now I have to

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>be that person that you know, and it ends up

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 2>being like that for a lot of people that make it.

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>So when I was making that money, I was more

0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 2>so playing catch up, whether it be for myself or

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:44.720
<v Speaker 2>taking care of my mom or you know, helping family members.

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's just were you able to invest any

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of it into something outside.

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Of the absolutely not. I mean, yeah, that's crazy.

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like generational or whenever I think generational wealth,

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I think real estate. You know. I think it was

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 1>bow Wow's mom that took a lot of his money

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.439
<v Speaker 1>and put it in real estate. When he was very

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>early off, you didn't get to do you didn't get

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to do any.

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 2>Of that or but I see when you have certain tools,

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>like your your access to things never in you know

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So I'm just not so like I've

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:20.959
<v Speaker 2>I've done movies, you know what I mean. We don't.

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't talk about a lot of interviews, but yeah,

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>like I was in a recent movie from maybe a

0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>year two though. So I'm just I'm focused on other things.

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But now being able to have the mindset of everything,

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 2>everybody's good now, and it's sad that sometimes it takes

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 2>that long for everybody to be good. Now that I

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 2>can focus on myself and actually do all of those things,

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just never I just never spent time

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to do it. It's not that I couldn't, I just

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:51.919
<v Speaker 2>it just wasn't my focus.

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>So if you're the production company, there's no need for distribution,

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 1>So there's no need to do any partnerships with labels.

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Now, right, I mean, if nobody's ever going to get Beyonce,

0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift, Chris Brown, us you're big not being signed

0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 2>to a major label. You don't think it's not.

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Gonna happen, even with the way social.

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Media can happen, even with the control everything.

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Really, I didn't know that. Why do you think that

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>because they control that much even even though these indepen

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but the independent you don't even have to Who cares

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 1>about being that big anyways? All that is the money

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day.

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you're a million then no, you

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>don't need.

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 1>To Like who wants to be Beyonce can't go into

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:40.399
<v Speaker 1>freaking mall.

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:42.560
<v Speaker 2>But the point is to spend other people's money.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, that's always been the you know, but

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying. Like, as an independent, if you

0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 1>went independent without the labels, you're gonna make way more money.

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, Oh no, absolutely. But when I say some of

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 2>these labels are so greedy. They they like to think,

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's just get this deal. They it's like

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.240
<v Speaker 2>stocks and stocks for them.

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>So if you had any advice for anybody, you would

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>you would be still be anti label. Nah.

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean every every situation that everybody gets a different deal,

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.640
<v Speaker 2>you just got to make sure that you negotiate the

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 2>right deal. You know, I've been in some great deals,

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 2>but between playing catch up with family and going through

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 2>different things with labels. You know you certain things slip

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.080
<v Speaker 2>through the cracks, you know what I mean. That's just

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 2>how it be for some people. A lot of artists

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.360
<v Speaker 2>should be overwhelming sometimes.

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 1>What advice would you give to anyone trying to get

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 1>into the game at this stage? And do you think

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you could give it?

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 2>But what I said, don't do it now I'm playing.

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to tell you you sounded hell is serious?

0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just just know what you're getting into. That's

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 2>all I can say. And that's in any part of life.

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.399
<v Speaker 2>But just know what you're getting into. Just know it's

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a dirty game. No, know your stuff, know your business,

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 2>or get some people around your team around you that

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>know it. You know, so you're not being taken advantage of.

0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Or it's so many different levels and avenues and streams

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 2>that people don't even think about because people don't think big.

0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Think big.

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Given an example of different streams.

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, why didn't anybody in my circle capitalize

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 2>on certain mattresses or the sleep number bed or or

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Cadillac or you know what I'm saying. My album was

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>called Back of My Lack, Like, why that's not my

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 2>area of business.

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, I see what you're saying. Yeah big,

0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>think big, but know your stuff.

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, know your stuff.

0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Damn did you think You didn't even think that, not

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 1>once when you were doing at the time. But now

0:57:58.160 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you look.

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Back, like, damn the way people making money now? You know,

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it's so easy now, especially with social media and the Internet.

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 2>And so that's you.

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, one of things easier with social media or harder

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 1>with social media.

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Depends on if you wanted the people that gotta buy running.

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Your page about running page?

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it. Everything can be bought, simple as that.

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I can, I can buy. I can spend the money

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>to make my page look a certain way. And then

0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>now I'm coming across your timeline and you don't even

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 2>know how mm hmm.

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Look at the social social media girl there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 2>You gotta you got you gotta spend money to make money.

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, where can people keep up with j Holiday?

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Everything you got going on my Instagram?

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Really Instagram King Holiday? Dot about say dot com k

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.720
<v Speaker 2>j I King J Holiday? Or you can go to

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Facebook Facebook, you know, bad page.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Jay Holiday and then you stay touring.

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm always I'm always on the road and like

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm working on my artists. He'll be out

0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>very soon.

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:15.520
<v Speaker 2>We got some photo shoot stuff and all that.

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 1>So oh nice. Well, I'm glad you came by and

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>blessed me. But a good meal. It's good. I'm gonna

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>finish it, guys. I don't want I don't want to

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.040
<v Speaker 1>eat all into.

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it's good. Mhmm, Okay, that's good.

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:35.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys. Thank you for tuning into another episode

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>of Eating While Broke.

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Peace.

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