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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guests, Jay Holidays in the building.

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Speaker 2: What's what's up?

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Speaker 3: Yay, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you really need an introduction. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to find some more ways to have fun with

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Speaker 1: some of your hottest singles. Yeah, I like, I have

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Speaker 1: my one good job, but I feel like it's all

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Speaker 1: nothing can compare to that one text I had. I

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Speaker 1: had this group text before when we booked you. I

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Speaker 1: was like, we got Jay Holiday. I had to put

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Speaker 1: it to bed, you know, and took everyone a whole

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Speaker 1: day too to get it. To get it or I

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Speaker 1: think just to respond damn or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I was sad. I was like, Yo, someone's gonna someone's

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Speaker 1: gonna time back right away. But I got one ha

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Speaker 1: high and that's all I needed. Yeah, it was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If I was your friend, I.

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Speaker 2: Would be that would have been great.

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Speaker 1: That would have made a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun puns in your text.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been amazing. I mean, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Though, it's been a while, and I was like, who

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Speaker 1: can't who would I really like to sit down with?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, Jay Holliday has to be on.

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Speaker 2: This list, But why is that?

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Speaker 1: Though I loved it, I played your record one hundred

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Speaker 1: million times. Well, yeah, yeah, I liked it. I liked it.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to what you were eating when

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Speaker 1: you were broke.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Well I'm not even gonna necessarily broke, because

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Speaker 2: it was if this milk goes well, it starts in

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Speaker 2: high school, just cooking noodles as a teenager. You know.

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Speaker 2: So this is beef. You know, everybody knows the thing,

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Speaker 2: all famous and noodles. A lot of people love chicken.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love the chicken ra I mean I think I

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Speaker 1: saw beef from and I said, damn, I forgot.

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Speaker 2: You want to do chicken?

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Speaker 1: No, no, that is not real beef.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, But this is beef. So so should I

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Speaker 2: not do the hot dogs because that's red meat.

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Speaker 1: That's red meat.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, you sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean sometimes I risk one I'll eat beef

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Speaker 1: and then I'll just get sick.

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Speaker 2: Because I can leave that out.

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Speaker 1: All right, tell us the ingredient.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I got cabbage here. You know what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying some green onions, that's for last. That we're just

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Speaker 2: gonna top it off with that. That's It's like I was.

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Speaker 1: I was really respecting the green onions. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how broken was.

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, this is vegetables. Vegetable is another expensive

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Cabbage and green onions don't really does cabbage count as

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Speaker 1: a vegetable. It's like water, What do you get from it?

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Speaker 2: I think? So, I mean, well, you know that's not

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Speaker 2: the hitting on the slice hot dogs, beef hot dogs.

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Speaker 2: They could have gotten beating hot dogs. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: that's all good, you know. So yeah, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: start on the cabbage because that's gonna take it a

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Speaker 2: little second.

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Speaker 1: So this is your version of gourmet.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's sauced up a little bit. I mean,

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Speaker 2: really it was. It was the hot dogs in en Romen,

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Speaker 2: you know. But as I got older then it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know what I'm saying, make it make

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Speaker 2: me feel like I'm actually eating the meal when I'm

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Speaker 2: really broke.

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Speaker 1: When you really broke. So take me back to high school.

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Speaker 1: What was going on? What kind of home did you

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Speaker 1: grow up in? Two pair, one parent single mom.

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Speaker 2: My dad died when I was eleven. So that's why

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Speaker 2: I said in high school because when he was alive,

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Speaker 2: he was cooking all the time. My mom cooked, but

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Speaker 1: So I mean, were you both this was the main

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Speaker 2: bet that was more of his like a his therapeutic thing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: after work. He was a mechanic, so that was more

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Speaker 2: just high school, me in my singing groups and my

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Speaker 2: mom's at work, and you know, I want to eat

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Speaker 2: something when I get home. So but then the carries

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Speaker 2: on to when I'm actually that starving artist later on

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Speaker 2: when I moved to Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so you originally from DC from Washington.

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Speaker 2: DC, yeah, well the DMV area, cause I moved around.

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Speaker 2: We moved around a lot. Okay, yeah, we moved around

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Speaker 1: Middle class, poor, rich, rich.

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Speaker 2: Nah, I would say we was middle class. And then

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Speaker 2: you know, when my dad passed away, it was just

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Speaker 2: my mom. You know, he was in the military, so

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Speaker 2: I got you know, I got benefits being his child.

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Speaker 2: But I mean military benefits once they passed away is

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Speaker 2: not What kind.

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Speaker 1: Of benefits is the military give I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to give you money. I mean they sent they

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Speaker 1: Anymore after And did your mom reached got benefits to

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Speaker 1: or no or just as kids?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the military.

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Speaker 2: I never was in my mom's business.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know what I got. Okay, Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: You got a check, Yeah yeah, I got a check.

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Speaker 1: Okay while you were in high school.

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Speaker 2: When I went to high school, when I uh, when

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Speaker 2: I applied for college, okay, I applied to more House

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Speaker 2: and Clark, I got into both, decided to go to Clark.

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Speaker 2: Then right before school started, I was like, eh, I

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Speaker 2: got cold feet. Nah, it wasn't even the cold feet.

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Speaker 2: I hated school. Okay, I already hated school. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean school. I didn't feel like school was

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Speaker 2: teaching me anything. Oh, it was born. I just did

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Speaker 2: it cause my mom wanted me to graduate from high school.

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Speaker 2: So it's like a right.

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Speaker 1: But then you applied for the colleges to a piece

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Speaker 2: In the beginning, I think, so, you know, but you know,

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Speaker 2: when you come from a certain place, you're on financial aid.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, the first time I got drunk was

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Speaker 2: college orientation ever in life? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow, but I heard college as wild, like I'm a

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Speaker 1: college dropout junior college. Well, I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time I got drunk was college orientation,

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Speaker 2: and my mom was down the street because my grandmother

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Speaker 2: she lived there from North Carolina, but my grandmother spent

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Speaker 2: So my mom's at my grandmother's house and I'm getting

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Speaker 2: drunk for the first time. So I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 2: if I'm getting drunk and my mom's down the street,

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with my mom going home? You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I'm about to I'm about to basically

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Speaker 2: fuck this this financial aid up. So that was the

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Speaker 2: fear for me. You know what I mean. Me, it

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Speaker 2: was like h and it came this far without disappointing her.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I don't want to start now.

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Speaker 1: But what do you mean mess the financial aid up?

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Speaker 2: Because school?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I already didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: Now when did you realize you wanted to pursue music?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going that was gonna be my major.

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Speaker 1: I was going, Oh, you're going to school for music. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you should have dropped out. I'm talking about well but teacher.

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Speaker 2: Rightly, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like, and I still have student loans.

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Speaker 2: And then my group was at home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I was leaving them.

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Speaker 2: I could get a job, we could still pursue our career.

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Speaker 2: I can have some money whatever, you know.

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Speaker 1: So so you decide to drop out? How to Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I almost gip around it. I'll take a little nibble.

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Speaker 1: So you you end up dropping out of school. But

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Speaker 1: you said you had a group back at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my singing group. I mean I never went I

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Speaker 2: went to college orientation.

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Speaker 1: And that trunk during orientation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I deferred for a year. You know, she was like,

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Speaker 2: well you don't have to decide right now. Cool.

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Speaker 1: But so so you went back to live with her? Yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Did she make you get a day job?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? She said, but you know, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what were the stipulations?

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Speaker 2: If you drop you gotta get a job if you're

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Speaker 2: not going to go to school right now?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Did she make you pay bills? I had a

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Speaker 1: car and she was nice.

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Speaker 2: Remember I'm getting the money for my dad. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I'm like going a few kids in school like we

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Speaker 1: But how much are they breaking off these military kids?

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Speaker 1: You was a teenager getting like fifteen hundred dollar checks

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Speaker 1: probably around now, no way.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it wasn't like I was walking around

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Speaker 2: in Jordan's and stuff. My parents were frugal.

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Speaker 1: So but the money you said was going to you.

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Speaker 1: So what was you spending the money on?

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Speaker 2: I got a car? Oh, you got my card.

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Speaker 1: Not you had a cardinal in high school? And clothes yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, you was flying Okay.

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Speaker 2: Not even that though, because I had a job. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta get back and forth to work.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you're a teenager, So what's the next milestone,

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Speaker 1: balling teenager.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna move out one of my group, one of

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Speaker 2: my group members was my roommate, and that was I

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Speaker 2: was about nineteen, and uh, yeah, we move out. We're

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Speaker 2: doing the group stuff. We lived together for about a

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Speaker 2: year before and I made the decision to move to Atlanta. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we left our jobs. I had two jobs at

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Speaker 2: the time we left our jobs. I had a corporate

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Speaker 2: job and then I had a part time because mind you,

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Speaker 2: I've been working since I graduated. I would start working

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Speaker 2: two months out of high school.

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Speaker 1: That's how doing what though.

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Speaker 2: I was a foul clerk at a law firm.

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Speaker 1: A foul clerk, okay.

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Speaker 2: At a law firm. So yeah, then we decided to

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Speaker 2: move to Atlanta. And that's where the broke starts.

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Speaker 1: That's where the started. And was your mom on board

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dream wrote that. Okay, I should probably take this

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah I was. That was what they would call

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Speaker 2: Well, because in a group, everybody plays their part, but

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Speaker 2: I still feel like you're only as expendable as you

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Speaker 2: But for me, it was just kind of like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like their passion wasn't as heavy

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Speaker 2: Also, they felt complacent into being like, well, we just

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Speaker 2: that point it was kind of like, all right, well

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Speaker 1: And then how did your how did you deal with

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Speaker 1: Oh you're adding more seasoning to it. Okay, I respect it.

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Speaker 1: This is got the garlic powder and powder. I respect it.

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Speaker 2: This is very uh high end. Okay, you know what,

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Speaker 2: See I don't use I don't use this particular brand

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Speaker 2: I figured this. You said you want it, I want

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Speaker 1: I don't want that one I want.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily eat this. But yeah, you know, so

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Speaker 2: I turn them off.

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Speaker 2: I didn't break my noodles, which most people do, so

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Speaker 1: Let me, let me help you out, help me out,

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Speaker 1: because I try, because you should have broke the noodles.

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Speaker 2: Man. Usually one usually one person would eat this, so

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Speaker 2: it would just go exactly you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: We had this discuss you got before.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, there we go, there we separated.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for that. For what I apologize. I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got it, I got it. There we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, so dogs everywhere? You know, you don't even

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Speaker 2: because you didn't really want. Now and anyway, I give

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got some cabbage.

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Speaker 2: Right, I just want to do Can I do.

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Speaker 1: The green on anything?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I was gonna yeah, and you should absolutely to

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Speaker 2: And that's where I guess you could say say Holliday

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Speaker 1: So are they like, Yo, let's let's bring the group back.

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Speaker 1: You I'm good.

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Speaker 2: One of the guys was he was always the uh,

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, that's that's my brother.

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Speaker 1: What do you say when they when they you know

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Speaker 2: He's just like, I can't wait till we all hang

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Speaker 1: They don't ever be like, why don't you have us

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: They've never said that.

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Speaker 2: That's never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's try this. Let's see how salty. Let's

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Speaker 1: see how salty or unsalty. You didn't break these noodles.

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Speaker 1: I didn't the whole the whole noodles is gonna be.

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Speaker 2: We could just tell you haven't eaten noodles in a while.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I I do eating.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm done. I mean, it's good, the brand that

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Speaker 1: You taste the hot dogs too.

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Speaker 2: I usually I usually would leave more water in there,

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Speaker 2: but you.

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Speaker 1: It's delicious. It's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's true, but no, it gets you through though. It

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Speaker 1: I haven't been to waffle House yet. Guys, I think

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Speaker 2: Crime, but that's how long you're gonna be here, you

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be here till Sunday. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to get Ryan to put together the list.

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Speaker 2: Go to a club, hang out till two o'clock in

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Speaker 2: that's the place. That's the only that's the real waffle

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Speaker 1: Stacey's also been telling me in Atlanta, you gotta go

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Speaker 2: It's it. I mean, if you want to.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, you don't have to

442
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: and that might not be your cup of tea, so

443
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: it might just be uncomfortable for you, but it's a

444
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: it's a time. You know what I mean? Over real,

445
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: depending on the type person you know? Are you scared

446
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: of yourself in there?

447
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Scared of myself? What you mean? You know what it is?

448
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't.

449
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: Has been known to change people, change people.

450
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: I told every looks that's that tastes right there. She's

451
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: been trying to get me to go to strip club.

452
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women.

453
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: I can tell of a woman's beautiful, but that's as

454
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: far as it goes.

455
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: I'd be like, she's beautiful, but it's a party. It

456
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: just depends on which one you go to.

457
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm good.

458
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: It's not a necessity.

459
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: Though at first I thought she was talking about going

460
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: on a male strip club. I was like, but I

461
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: don't want to see a guy in the throng.

462
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: Nah, that's that's strip club. It's going to change the

463
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: whole namic of the night.

464
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: Over real.

465
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in Atlanta, Okay, this ain't no like up

466
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: North mail review type of strip club.

467
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: Wait, they do have male strip clubs there.

468
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: They have one. I think it's closed now. I'm not

469
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: sure because I never went.

470
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: So no woman wants to see a guy in the thong.

471
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 1: This is never there's like nothing masculine about it, just

472
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: completely not masculine at all. But but so you're recording

473
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: this solo album, and what's your thought process? Are you

474
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: harder on yourself not as hard thinking everything's a hit?

475
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: Take me to that mindset.

476
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: It was new, you know, not being able to look

477
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: to my left for right and see my group, you

478
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And the fact that I made

479
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: that decision, it's like I can't tell m you know,

480
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 2: because some people that leave their group sto't ness fatally prosper,

481
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, or become successful. But now I just started

482
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: recording songs. I didn't even know what my sound was

483
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: gonna because I've been with groups for so long and

484
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: there's a song on my first album called Fatal that's

485
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: actually my group. That's one of the songs we that

486
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: we had, and I said, I have to keep this song.

487
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I started recording songs, and then

488
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: eventually I got homesick. I'm like, I'm by myself, so

489
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: I went home. I went to DC for like two months,

490
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: and I almost didn't come back to Atlanta. It was

491
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: just one of those moms saying, eh, I can always

492
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: go back to work, you know what I mean. But

493
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: I got in the studio while I was there and

494
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: did a song called back on My Lap. And I

495
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: always tell everybody this that that was like my resignation letter, like.

496
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm tired, and how old were you at this time?

497
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: It is.

498
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was tired of doing that, you know. I

499
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: was tired of being broke, you know, going from having

500
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: two jobs to nothing, two jobs, two cause crib to

501
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: nothing to chasing the dream, you know what I mean.

502
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: I did back on my Lap, and at this time

503
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: I was twenty three every time, okay, twenty two, twenty three.

504
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: Of course when I came out, they said I was

505
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: twenty one. Of course, total lie. Of course I had

506
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: learned to do that. But I did back in my

507
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: lack and I sent it to my manager and my

508
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: manager said, get back, get back to Atlanta. Immediately we

509
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: got work to do, because I guess at that moment

510
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: they was like he.

511
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: Found his his voice or his.

512
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: Thing, you know what I mean. And from there we

513
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: just started. I was like, but if I come back

514
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: down there, bro I need some money.

515
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: So that's what I was about to ask, like was

516
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: you doing it on your own money? At that point

517
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: or did they send you a check or say, well,

518
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: what will happened? Oh?

519
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: Did who sent me?

520
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: When your manager said come come back out here?

521
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: Nah? It was just gonna be like I had family

522
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, you know, So I went to stay with

523
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: family for a little bit, like my aunt. My mom

524
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 2: is one of eleven. So there's not too many places

525
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: on the East Coast that I can go that. I

526
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: ain't got nowhere to stay, you know what I mean.

527
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: But yes, I stayed with my aunt for a little bit,

528
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: and uh, I told him, I said, if I came

529
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: back down now, I gotta get some money, bro, you know.

530
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: So he got me the gig to reference suffocate. I

531
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: was referencing it for a mayon.

532
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: What do you mean referencing it?

533
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Just singing the song so they can send it to

534
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: him Dream wrote it so but I guess he didn't

535
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: want to send his vocalus. His vocals weren't bad or nothing,

536
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: it was just I guess they wanted to send it

537
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: with a different voice on it as well. I'm not

538
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: exactly sure. And my manager just says singing so they

539
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: can't sell it. Cool. So that's what I did, or

540
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: at least that's what I thought I was doing, and

541
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: I got paid two hundred and fifty dollars to do that,

542
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: so I was all right, cool, I can make money

543
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: while we were still figuring it out. And long story short,

544
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: getting I so once I did back of my lick.

545
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: I think at that time I had fatal back in

546
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: my lock a song called Ghetto that ended up on

547
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: the album, and it was a song with a ball

548
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: and MJG called city Boy that didn't make it, but

549
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: that was my demo and that's how I got.

550
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: Signed off that demo, and then the Suffocate went to

551
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: a Mario's crew and then but you ended up keeping it.

552
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: No I get I don't know if you heard it.

553
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. That was just what I

554
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: was told that I was referencing it for him, and

555
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: for whatever reason they he didn't take it or he

556
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: never got it, or I don't. I'm not sure on

557
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: that part, And but that comes back and later in

558
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: the story. It's just I did Suffocate way before I

559
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: even got signed, before I got my dual.

560
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So then what happens next?

561
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: Capital signed me off that off the demo. Capital signed

562
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: me and did.

563
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: You get a nice check hell on. Now what was

564
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: the deal looking like?

565
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Because see my deal was with Music Line, which is

566
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: that's that was a Tha's company. And you know, I

567
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: mean production companies basically do deals with with the label,

568
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: you know, and they're basically doing the deal where it's

569
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: like we're providing the artists. So I'm signed to Capital,

570
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: but you're.

571
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Really signed to the production company. Right, Okay, I'm learning how.

572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I think that's how eighty five South is.

573
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Right.

574
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: You guys are production companies living all quiet over there.

575
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I do that a lot.

576
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: But so, yeah, we doing music. I get in with

577
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: Dark Child We Do Be with Me, which ended up

578
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: being the first song that we put out with the video.

579
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Then it hit, but it didn't quite you know. It

580
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: was like, oh, there's a new artist on the scene,

581
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: but let's see what else he can do kind of response,

582
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: you know. So they was like, Yo, we need a

583
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: we need a we need a single single. That's how

584
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: we got Bed.

585
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: And then what was your feelings when Bed took off?

586
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: I didn't like the song when I first heard it.

587
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna say I didn't like the song.

588
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: That would be a lie. I liked the song, like

589
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: I said, dream wrote it, so he also referenced it,

590
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: and but when the reference was in falsetto, like from

591
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: top to bot and so while I was trying to

592
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: record the song, I just was like, I'm not I

593
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: don't want to sing this whole song in falsetto. That

594
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: just feels stupid to me. Like not. It was just like,

595
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: all right here, dad, that's cool. I get it. And yeah,

596
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: the engine it was just he was like, well, if

597
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: you was singing different, how would you sing it? I said,

598
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: started from the top and that's how it came out.

599
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: Okay, So when it does good, where are you? Like?

600
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: What's your mindset? Are you cocky?

601
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: Like?

602
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm not gonna say I was cocky? Uh. I

603
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: mean it's for anybody to sit in this position and

604
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: sit and lie and don't say they feel a certain

605
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: kind of way, you know what I mean, like they

606
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: would be lying.

607
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: But tell me how you felt.

608
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: I mean I felt good. I felt like I was

609
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: a shit.

610
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: How was you acting? It was you acting like, hey,

611
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm the shit?

612
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: Well see this thing that would be a yes saying

613
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: and no. Because I'm very knowledgeable and like the industry

614
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: and contracts and stuff like that. So even in moments

615
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: that I might act like that, I might act like

616
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: I'm cocky, or somebody might be like, why you're acting

617
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: ericant or whatever. I can also back it up on

618
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: the being knowledgeable. I'm not just the artists and they

619
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: hated that. They hated that about me. Who's they just

620
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: label people? You know, they don't like smart artists. What

621
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: do you mean they want you as dumb as you come?

622
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Were you asking questions like where's my checks? At?

623
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: No? No, it was just they just never could get

624
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: over on me. Oh, they never could change me. They

625
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: never could make me been to their to their will?

626
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: What types of things were they asking you to do?

627
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: That would be like been to your will?

628
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Just if I feel uncomfortable, I feel uncomfortable, you know.

629
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: And it was small, it was small situations that It's

630
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: just like, if you treat your artists like you actually

631
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: care about them, would have been so easy. But when

632
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: it's like you're making something so small so big. Now

633
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: now I have to stand on it because now I

634
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: feel like you're not respecting the act that I'm telling

635
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: you I'm uncomfortable.

636
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example.

637
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm growing up in church, you know, you know, when

638
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: you go to church, you gotta dress a certain kind

639
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: of way. And my mom was very much one of

640
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: those parents until I got you know, maybe seventeen fifteen, sixteen.

641
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: You know, she wasn't as hard on me about it.

642
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: But like I was in church clothes all my life.

643
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: So you know, when they tell me because I sing

644
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: R and B, I have to dress like this, I

645
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: don't want to dress like that, not at this moment

646
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: in my life. Maybe I might change my mind later,

647
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: who knows, but right now, you're not telling me that

648
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: I have to dress that way. It's just I've did

649
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: it my whole life. Let me be comfortable. I did

650
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: this to be comfortable. Yeah, you know what I mean?

651
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Soo something so small, like just leave me alone about it?

652
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: What they want you to be? Like a sex symbol type.

653
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: I guess if that's what you call it, I don't know,

654
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: you know, And there's situations that call for that, but

655
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm not walking around like that every day. Yeah, like

656
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: my wardrobe can't just slaxing buttons outs like, I get it,

657
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: But on those moments, I know how to respect the situation.

658
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Did you have a lot of conversations with your mom

659
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: about your career when you were going through a lot

660
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: of those.

661
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: Things, not that I can not that I can say.

662
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: She would always ask and I would always tell her

663
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: to all the positive stuff.

664
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: I never you never told her the negatives.

665
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just never wanted her to worry about me. Okay,

666
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know she's one of them moms.

667
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: She a praying mama too, So you know, shit, I

668
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: just felt like I had to call you. I felt

669
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: it them a spirit, you know. So the minute you

670
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: tell her something that she's just like, oh, that don't

671
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: sound too good, then it just it puts worry on her.

672
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I ain't want to do that too.

673
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: Okay. So during this point where you're doing extremely well,

674
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: was there anything outside of the labels trying to package

675
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: you a certain way that was something that was eye

676
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: opening to you during that whole rise?

677
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: I opened it in which way, cause I mean there.

678
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: Could be you could do a negative and a positive way.

679
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean something that it's I mean, it's real easy,

680
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: but it's just like something like so my mom like

681
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: I me and my mama close, but and she she

682
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: raised me well you know what I mean. And she

683
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: always taught me to be a leader, not a follower,

684
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: and if you get drilled in the hell in the

685
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: head with that as a kid, you just kind of like, ah,

686
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: I I hear you, but you know that's what she

687
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: instilled in me. Yeah, So for me, it was just like,

688
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that I have to go left.

689
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah one my mother said, I didn't have to. But

690
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: now if you can explain to me what a compromise

691
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: can be going left and we get to a compromise,

692
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: while I'm comfortable, that's different. But they don't never want

693
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: to compromise with the artists because to them, you should.

694
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Be doing what we tell you, Like we know the

695
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: system works.

696
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know this, but they're just nine times out

697
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: of ten they're trying to recreate something that they've already

698
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: seen instead of just letting artists evolve like they always do.

699
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Do you like? Did you like being an artist? Is

700
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: it because there was a reason why you stepped away

701
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: for a little bit, right?

702
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: A lot of that was more so just business.

703
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: But.

704
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Well, the reason why you stepped away.

705
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: Nobody never really steps away from music because they just

706
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: want to step away from music. Sometimes it's just the

707
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: right situations aren't presenting themselves, or you know, some some

708
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: artists make it bad for themselves.

709
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: Some artists what.

710
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: They make get bad for themselves. You know. So it

711
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: just it depends on why people Steparwight. But for me,

712
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: it was just I was signed to Death Jane for

713
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: two and a half years, and you know, you can't

714
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: you can force the label to move, but if they

715
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: don't really care, like if they're like, we're not gonna

716
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: lose anything, they're not gonna move, they'd rather let you go.

717
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Then did they let you go or did.

718
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: You not asked to be released? Yeah? And that was

719
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: that was with Death Jane. Well I did that with

720
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: Capital and Death Cham But okay.

721
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Were you at Deaf Jam when Jay was running it.

722
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: I think I came. I got signed right before he

723
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: took over. But that was where that breakdown happened. You

724
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. La Re signed me and then

725
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: La Re left and then came in and Jay. So

726
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: you know, people that run those labels, they have their

727
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: go to people that they already have in mind that

728
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: they yeah, yeah, like I'm I'm up against Rihanna, Rianna,

729
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: Neo Dream, Kanye, like all these people were already on

730
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: this label. Yeah, you know, but you know they were

731
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: they were running things. You know what I'm saying. So,

732
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean I can always say I was still I

733
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: was signing to Depth Jam, but you know a lot

734
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: of artists always wanted to be able to say that.

735
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: But and I have nothing against Depth Jam, Death Jam,

736
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: Brand New systemhow labels running system. They didn't do me

737
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: a disservice. It was just one of those like the

738
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: Death Jam play was more so uh uh, I'm not

739
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: on Capitol no more. But yeah, get this boy a

740
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 2: check real quick. That's how people get checks. You signed

741
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: to a label to give you an advance there it is.

742
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: So what made you say I want to get released?

743
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: Oh so you know during that time, I'm doing mixtapes

744
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: and stuff like that just to let people hear stuff

745
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: like I'm still working. You know, I'm on Depth Jam.

746
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: But they'll get to me eventually. I never nah, I

747
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: never said anything bad about Death Cham. But yeah, so

748
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: when I would put stuff out, you and G kept

749
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: blocking my songs because I'm technically with Universal Music. So

750
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, well, but why were.

751
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: They block and old because you got released?

752
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: Because I'm not supposed to be putting our music. This

753
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: is because it's not coming through death Cham. Well, this

754
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: is before I got released, but I don't. I can

755
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: release whatever I want to, you know what I'm saying,

756
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: as long as I fulfill my commitment as far as

757
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: albums and stuff with the label if they if the

758
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: label asked me for an album, I need to have

759
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: an album ready.

760
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

761
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: But there also the flip side to that, which a

762
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: lot of artists don't do, is if I have an

763
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: album ready and I said I have an album ready,

764
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: the label is supposed to move on that too. That

765
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: it's a two way street. That's how it's supposed to be.

766
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: So if they don't release the album, you could still

767
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: put out music.

768
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: You should be allowed to do that.

769
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: But but you it just depends when you when you

770
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: did it? Did YOUMG? You said, UMG block blocked them?

771
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? I mean.

772
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: Technically property of UMG? Who blocked own? Who owns death

773
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Chair distribution? Dislike? Might be like YouTube and stuff like that.

774
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: It is before YouTube there was a a monetization of YouTube.

775
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: This is when you're just like, I listen to my stuff,

776
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: go to my YouTube channel. People wasn't really making money

777
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: off YouTube at that time, but they was. I mean

778
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: and it's fair. They had the right to do that.

779
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: But when you say blocking, I don't understand what did

780
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: they block distribution?

781
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: Did they know they could they could have? So your

782
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: song can't be played in a public form that because

783
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: now YouTube is like, well we can't go against Universal.

784
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: We're not trying to end up in a lawsuit because

785
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: of that. It's it's a whole long stretch of So were.

786
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: You at least doing shows to to make money during

787
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: all of this? Like how are you eating.

788
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: At this point? So, I mean before all of this,

789
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: when things at a high point, you know, I mean,

790
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: which we skipped over a lot of that, but I

791
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: mean it's like being on an Archaelly tour, going on

792
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: tour with Keisha call doing this the total Trade songs,

793
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: Like I did all those tours. But when things around

794
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: the Death Jam time, it's like I'm still only known

795
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: for my first album, but I had two albums out,

796
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: you know, so you know, the shows slowed down, and

797
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, I mean that just happens.

798
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: What was like a highlight during your career where you

799
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: were like you it was a definite highlight where you

800
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: were like I've arrived.

801
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: When I did Jay Leno.

802
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Why particularly Jay Leno.

803
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, because back then it was just like that

804
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: was the thing to do. I was one of the

805
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, probably last people to perform because I was

806
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: only like the last season. But and then I got

807
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: a chance to do our sing in Hall. But yeah,

808
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: those moments were being nominated for Grammy. I mean there's

809
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: a list of things, like it's not just one, things

810
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: that I never asked for. I thought that I would accomplish.

811
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: Like my dream was to just drop a song. I mean,

812
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: dropped a song myself on the radio.

813
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: So surpassed that. And how was it listening to it

814
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: on the radio?

815
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean as well as you can imagine, I will,

816
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: That's the thing. At this point, I've heard sung listen

817
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: to that song. I couldn't even get put a number

818
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: on how many times. But it's there's always going to

819
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: be something special when you hit yourself on the radio.

820
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like y'all playing me it no

821
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: matter how old it is, how knew it is, it's

822
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: it's just a because the city's listening to that.

823
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: So coming or whatever. Yeah, So coming from being a

824
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: preacher's kid and then getting into the industry, which is

825
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: definitely not I would say, preachers, preacher kids, supportive, what

826
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of center center is lifestyle?

827
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: Things?

828
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Did you do you the contrary to what you were raised?

829
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: There certain lines that you crossed.

830
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: It was a lot of weeds smoking, It was a

831
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: lot of alcohol drinking, and a lot of extracurricular activities. Yeah,

832
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: what they was what they would consider the world of

833
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: fornication and saying yeah, I mean it's it's the industry. Man,

834
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: if you're not rooted a certain kind of way, it

835
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: can get you. They can get you.

836
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: Can you give examples of how it could get you.

837
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh, man, just getting caught up into that life, that

838
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: fast life, the drugs or or whatever you know, or

839
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: just the fame it self. You know, fame is addicting.

840
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily care for it, but that's just because

841
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 2: I'm also I'm an introvert, which don't really work well

842
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 2: with what I do. But I know how to treat

843
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: my fans, you know, I'm very respectful to them. But yeah,

844
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: you can you can get lost in this and and

845
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: most of these people are not your friends, you know,

846
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: they're just not. But it's a it's a it's a

847
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: it's a it's a networking type of industry, you gotta hey,

848
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: what's going on that you gotta play the game.

849
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: It's funny. I've worked like different jobs. I've worked regular

850
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: jobs and I've been in the industry, and I always say, like,

851
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: when I work a regular job, I walk away with

852
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: real friends. In the industry, it's kind of it's interesting,

853
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: like you could work with a team for ten years

854
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: and walk away and those people are really your friends anymore.

855
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: It's like that chapter is closed. That's it. I mean,

856
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: to some degree, there is some level of friendship, but

857
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: I will say like that was like I remember doing

858
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: like ten years and walking away with like, wait, no,

859
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: one's like.

860
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: It's weird.

861
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, we're for each other, and it's like,

862
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: oh I exited.

863
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the sad thing. And that's across industries, but.

864
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: With no Like I feel like if I worked at Walmart,

865
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I walk away with more friends than if I was

866
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: in the industry. I feel like if I walk away

867
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: from the industry, then I don't walk away with the.

868
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Friendships because this industry and entertainment it's about being better

869
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: than the other person. It's it's stopped being about how

870
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: good and the quality of whatever it is is I

871
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: don't know why, but I and I'm appreciative, especially like

872
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: platforms like this where people can have real conversations because

873
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of it's just becapping, just too much going on,

874
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: you know, and it's people will use you and be

875
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 2: your friend, they will befriend you for what they need

876
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: from you.

877
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes I think like when it comes to the industry,

878
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: there's not enough meat on the bone, so it's like

879
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: a doggy dog world. And maybe that's why there's no

880
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: like real authenticity, authenticity in the friendships here.

881
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but there are some here, There are some here.

882
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: There are some very great relationships, but those are like

883
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: one and few in between.

884
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: You know.

885
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I work with Nick Cannon for a

886
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: very long time, and when I first started working with him,

887
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the things the way he moved didn't

888
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: make sense. But then like by the tenth year, I

889
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: was like, yo, like this dude is paying attention to

890
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: everything in the room, like without looking, you know, And

891
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I started to like see, like there's like an extra

892
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: set of eyes you need to have. It's just a

893
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: sense of clarity you need to have and you gotta

894
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: pay attention to like what's not being said more so

895
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: than what's being said.

896
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. God couldn't set it better myself. Yeah, I

897
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: mean it's so many times I could tell you that

898
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: I have a better relation and you would think it's different.

899
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I have some very good relationships, especially like

900
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: in the male R and B because that you know,

901
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: they think that we don't know each other, we don't

902
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: get along or we don't talk because we all sing

903
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: R and B. But like you'd be surprised, we all

904
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: actually get along very well. But even within those group

905
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: of people, there's maybe a few I fight for and

906
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: a few are with' you know what I'm saying. But

907
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: that's because there's different relationships there, you know, and it's

908
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: kind of fine. It's I ain't even gonna say it's

909
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: kind of hard to find. It's very hard to find

910
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: people that are authentic. But that's just because, like you said,

911
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: it's doggy dog.

912
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: There's definitely doggy dog.

913
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: And you know, I want that money. I want that back.

914
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean, my mother raised me, uh, don't praise money,

915
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean, which is probably horrible when you're thinking about

916
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: generational wealth, you know what I mean, because you kind.

917
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: Of have to, well, generational wealth is likes I would

918
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: say it does starts somewhere, but I like generational wealth

919
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: because yeah, I feel like it's somebody gotta do it,

920
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: someone's gotta Yeah, I guess started somewhere, I guess. But

921
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: I will say this in the testament to the industry

922
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: is that I will say that it's a male dominated space,

923
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: but shout out to the women because I do feel

924
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: like the women of the industry definitely stick together a

925
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: little bit better. I don't see as much hater raid

926
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: in the women behind the scenes. We bought be hating

927
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: on y'all. Like there's a lot of manicab in the industry.

928
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: The thing though, and because it's like where's the line

929
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: of hate versus opinion? Now, you know what I'm saying,

930
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: because like I can call any opinion you hating. Yeah,

931
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: so it's like when are you really hating? And when

932
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: is it still opinion? Because I feel like people are

933
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: allowed to their opinion, but then it's and so we're.

934
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: We're in a cancel culture age, so everyone's scared to

935
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: give an opinion and then and then they scared to

936
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: give an opinion. But the second like you give an opinion,

937
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: you a hater.

938
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's happened to me multiple I was just called.

939
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: The hater in the previous episode.

940
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: To day but my brother. But yeah, it's I mean,

941
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: so I just I literally stopped having an opinion about you.

942
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh it's really yeah, I mean because it's it's exhausting.

943
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: It's exhausting. Like when you're talking to people and you're

944
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: giving them your opinion, I mean they may agree with you,

945
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: they may not. When it's a world of people, that's

946
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: just like if you're not on that the big opinion

947
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: of the mask, they don't want to hear that, you

948
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like nobody wants to take accountability

949
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: or actually be told something is messed up.

950
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, yeah, I guess. I guess. So are you

951
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: out of the music industry in totality? Like when when

952
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: are we going to hear something new?

953
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: No?

954
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean I predominantly do more touring than anything I've

955
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: been recently on. This just touris R and B Kickback Tour.

956
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: When Young Fly Entertainment that it's like an it's like

957
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: a never ending tour. It's just well just be bouncing

958
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: around all year. Wow, you know what I mean with

959
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: up it's the R and B mail you know, tour,

960
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: but no, I have an artist that I'm working on

961
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: right now, you know, so being independent, you know, signed

962
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: myself to myself for whatever I do in the future,

963
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do business with Holiday Music Group

964
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm just not taking the other route again.

965
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: I'd rather be the production company than that that does

966
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: the business with the label versus me being just an artist.

967
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: So I have an artist that I'm actually about to drop.

968
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: His name is Rico Anthony. He sings, But that's my

969
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: focus right now.

970
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: That's after experiencing like how the labels handled you. Do

971
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: you handle your artists with like I know what works

972
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: and what doesn't? Or do you listen to him a

973
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: little bit more because you got to see both sides.

974
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: I tell them the truth. I'll keep it fresh, like

975
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: I just I put them up on game, you know

976
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: what I mean. Incorporate your company, come out being signed

977
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: to yourself that way, so.

978
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: You're like looking out for him while doing business with him.

979
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because it's you don't have to take

980
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: all of an artist's money, you know what I mean,

981
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: Like if you believe that this artist is going to

982
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: do well, you know what I mean, Like if you

983
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 2: think your artist is only going to make one hundred

984
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, then I can see how you might think

985
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: ten percent is why would I want ten percent? No,

986
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: we want fifty percent. Like you, just artists stay more.

987
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: They stay more themselves and create and evolve better when

988
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: you give them a platform to actually know that they're safe. Yeah,

989
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like some of these artists

990
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: just get money thrown at them, and they're like, good

991
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: because I got this.

992
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: But so let's talk money for a second. So when

993
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: you were at your peak of peaks, were you making

994
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money or was it like a similar

995
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: TLC type situation where you weren't making as much as

996
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: big as you were, Because I'm always curious about that now,

997
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: especially in the world of likes.

998
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: I was speaking good money. I mean I still make

999
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: good money, but I mean I was obviously a different time.

1000
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: But I know I've never been in the three sixty though,

1001
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: so I don't know what it feels like to not

1002
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: get certain things that just are old to artists.

1003
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you get all your touring money, you

1004
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: get all.

1005
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will label will never get my tour money.

1006
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a great deal.

1007
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've never been in I didn't even sign

1008
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: a three sixty when I signed the death job.

1009
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but I think that's right around the time when

1010
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: they started dropping those, wasn't it.

1011
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: They was they were starting to come in quick. They

1012
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: was covering there quick. For sure. They was just hitting

1013
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: everybody with three sixties. But yeah, so, I mean then

1014
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: it was you gotta think coming and that comes from

1015
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: my mom, like I said, was one of eleven. They

1016
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: had a lot of you know, they didn't get a

1017
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: chance to build any kind of wealth growing up, so

1018
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: there was nothing to pass down to any you know

1019
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's like now I have to

1020
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: be that person that you know, and it ends up

1021
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: being like that for a lot of people that make it.

1022
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: So when I was making that money, I was more

1023
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: so playing catch up, whether it be for myself or

1024
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 2: taking care of my mom or you know, helping family members.

1025
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's just were you able to invest any

1026
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: of it into something outside.

1027
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: Of the absolutely not. I mean, yeah, that's crazy.

1028
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: I'd be like generational or whenever I think generational wealth,

1029
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: I think real estate. You know. I think it was

1030
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: bow Wow's mom that took a lot of his money

1031
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: and put it in real estate. When he was very

1032
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: early off, you didn't get to do you didn't get

1033
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: to do any.

1034
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: Of that or but I see when you have certain tools,

1035
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: like your your access to things never in you know

1036
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I'm just not so like I've

1037
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 2: I've done movies, you know what I mean. We don't.

1038
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't talk about a lot of interviews, but yeah,

1039
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: like I was in a recent movie from maybe a

1040
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: year two though. So I'm just I'm focused on other things.

1041
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: But now being able to have the mindset of everything,

1042
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: everybody's good now, and it's sad that sometimes it takes

1043
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: that long for everybody to be good. Now that I

1044
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: can focus on myself and actually do all of those things,

1045
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: you know, I just never I just never spent time

1046
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: to do it. It's not that I couldn't, I just

1047
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: it just wasn't my focus.

1048
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: So if you're the production company, there's no need for distribution,

1049
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: So there's no need to do any partnerships with labels.

1050
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: Now, right, I mean, if nobody's ever going to get Beyonce,

1051
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, Chris Brown, us you're big not being signed

1052
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: to a major label. You don't think it's not.

1053
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: Gonna happen, even with the way social.

1054
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: Media can happen, even with the control everything.

1055
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't know that. Why do you think that

1056
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: because they control that much even even though these indepen

1057
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: but the independent you don't even have to Who cares

1058
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: about being that big anyways? All that is the money

1059
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.

1060
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're a million then no, you

1061
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: don't need.

1062
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: To Like who wants to be Beyonce can't go into

1063
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: freaking mall.

1064
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: But the point is to spend other people's money.

1065
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's always been the you know, but

1066
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Like, as an independent, if you

1067
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: went independent without the labels, you're gonna make way more money.

1068
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: Now, Oh no, absolutely. But when I say some of

1069
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: these labels are so greedy. They they like to think,

1070
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: all right, let's just get this deal. They it's like

1071
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 2: stocks and stocks for them.

1072
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: So if you had any advice for anybody, you would

1073
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: you would be still be anti label. Nah.

1074
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean every every situation that everybody gets a different deal,

1075
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: you just got to make sure that you negotiate the

1076
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: right deal. You know, I've been in some great deals,

1077
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: but between playing catch up with family and going through

1078
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: different things with labels. You know you certain things slip

1079
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: through the cracks, you know what I mean. That's just

1080
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: how it be for some people. A lot of artists

1081
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: should be overwhelming sometimes.

1082
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: What advice would you give to anyone trying to get

1083
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: into the game at this stage? And do you think

1084
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: you could give it?

1085
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: But what I said, don't do it now I'm playing.

1086
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell you you sounded hell is serious?

1087
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: No, it's just just know what you're getting into. That's

1088
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: all I can say. And that's in any part of life.

1089
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Speaker 2: But just know what you're getting into. Just know it's

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Speaker 2: a dirty game. No, know your stuff, know your business,

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Speaker 2: or get some people around your team around you that

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: know it. You know, so you're not being taken advantage of.

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Speaker 2: Or it's so many different levels and avenues and streams

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Speaker 2: that people don't even think about because people don't think big.

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Speaker 2: Think big.

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Speaker 1: Given an example of different streams.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, why didn't anybody in my circle capitalize

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: on certain mattresses or the sleep number bed or or

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Speaker 2: Cadillac or you know what I'm saying. My album was

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Speaker 2: called Back of My Lack, Like, why that's not my

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00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: area of business.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I see what you're saying. Yeah big,

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Speaker 1: think big, but know your stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, know your stuff.

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Speaker 1: Damn did you think You didn't even think that, not

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Speaker 1: once when you were doing at the time. But now

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Speaker 1: you look.

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Speaker 2: Back, like, damn the way people making money now? You know,

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Speaker 2: it's so easy now, especially with social media and the Internet.

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Speaker 2: And so that's you.

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Speaker 1: Know, one of things easier with social media or harder

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Speaker 1: with social media.

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Speaker 2: Depends on if you wanted the people that gotta buy running.

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Speaker 1: Your page about running page?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. Everything can be bought, simple as that.

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Speaker 2: I can, I can buy. I can spend the money

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Speaker 2: to make my page look a certain way. And then

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Speaker 2: now I'm coming across your timeline and you don't even

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Speaker 2: know how mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Look at the social social media girl there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you got you gotta spend money to make money.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, where can people keep up with j Holiday?

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Speaker 1: Everything you got going on my Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Really Instagram King Holiday? Dot about say dot com k

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Speaker 2: j I King J Holiday? Or you can go to

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Speaker 2: Facebook Facebook, you know, bad page.

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Speaker 1: Jay Holiday and then you stay touring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always I'm always on the road and like

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm working on my artists. He'll be out

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Speaker 2: very soon.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: We got some photo shoot stuff and all that.

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Speaker 1: So oh nice. Well, I'm glad you came by and

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Speaker 1: blessed me. But a good meal. It's good. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: finish it, guys. I don't want I don't want to

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Speaker 1: eat all into.

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Speaker 2: No, it's good. Mhmm, Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys. Thank you for tuning into another episode

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Speaker 1: of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 2: Peace.

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