Speaker 1: I'll tell you my fare story was Carrie Lambier. I
Speaker 1: hadn't talked about a long time. Carry Lambier, Bill Lambier's
Speaker 1: daughter daughter. She was one of our power formers at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: She's fucking big.
Speaker 1: She was a beast and she was she was good
Speaker 1: and obviously I had the NBA pedigree. But I remember
Speaker 1: one of the assistant coaches going to me, He's like, Carl,
Speaker 1: go as hard as you can't do like and I
Speaker 1: could still like dunk so like, but the women's ball
Speaker 1: was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting to
Speaker 1: like using that a little bit. Yeah, but I remember
Speaker 1: going fucking toe to toe and the paint and she
Speaker 1: would kick my fucking ass. Dude.
Speaker 2: Really, they weren't allowed.
Speaker 3: We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed to dunk.
Speaker 3: You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk.
Speaker 2: And like it was.
Speaker 3: It's so funny though, because it didn't take you a
Speaker 3: second to learn how to like play against the girls.
Speaker 3: I just think it's funny too though, because our practice
Speaker 3: players is like the first ones, like you know you're playing,
Speaker 3: so sometimes you're gonna like hit someone in the boo
Speaker 3: where we're gonna hit you guys, Like in the yagone.
Speaker 2: You're posting some guy up down low and he's.
Speaker 1: Just I was also like trying to get some like
Speaker 1: lessards and I'm like putting my head in her tist like.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Okay, First Weeks, First Guys, Show Me Something Podcasts Episode
Speaker 4: thirty four.
Speaker 2: We are joined by a dear friend of mine, Carl Radkey.
Speaker 4: He's now also a podcast host himself Summer House Og
Speaker 4: and I've got it in real time?
Speaker 2: Are you calling you calling yourself an author?
Speaker 1: Carl, No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: This is awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I have to, but I'm
Speaker 1: not comfortable with that. There's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of amazing authors who are real authors. I'm just
Speaker 1: a regular random dude.
Speaker 2: That's why people love you though.
Speaker 4: But Carl did publish a book. It is called Cake Eater.
Speaker 4: You've kind of got a lot of awesome stuff going
Speaker 4: on right now. Are you more excited to have the
Speaker 4: book going around? Are you more excited to like start
Speaker 4: the pod?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they I've been working on
Speaker 1: both of these things for like almost two years, so
Speaker 1: they kind of go hand in hand together. They kind
Speaker 1: of feed each other. So I mean it's been both
Speaker 1: of them have been really fulfilling. It's super you know,
Speaker 1: super fun, very overwhelming. Some of the book stuff going
Speaker 1: on tours been really exciting. But also yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I've opened up a lot about you know, dark, difficult
Speaker 1: things in my life. It's not like a happy you know,
Speaker 1: how do your friends read? It's it's very difficult, you know,
Speaker 1: material and things I've been through. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: some of it's been amazing. But the goal from the
Speaker 1: beginning with the book was to help people, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's what's happening. So that's all that
Speaker 1: really matters.
Speaker 4: Okay, I shoot it real quick. Maybe I'm going to
Speaker 4: introduce you guys, because that's my fault.
Speaker 2: I didn't even do it.
Speaker 4: No, you're okay, Sophy, Carl, Carl, Sophie and before I
Speaker 4: go this summer, when we were filming Summerhouse, I told Carl,
Speaker 4: I was like, I might be doing a podcast with
Speaker 4: Sophie cunning Hamley.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know who that is.
Speaker 4: Carl and I live in house with a lot of
Speaker 4: dudes who aren't super big ballnoers.
Speaker 2: Carl is a Ballner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Carl is a huge She's a beast, like you
Speaker 4: gotta do it, and so I'm glad you to get
Speaker 4: to mean help.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hi Sophie, Hi Carl.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I was I love this. I was just
Speaker 2: telling Wes.
Speaker 3: I was like, I think that I just really love him, Like,
Speaker 3: I just feel like you were just a good freaking
Speaker 3: human and there's just something about you that you just
Speaker 3: want to squeeze like and but like, well done.
Speaker 2: That's why everyone's like calls him dad.
Speaker 3: But seriously, I think that you are a fan favorite
Speaker 3: for so many reasons.
Speaker 2: But something that.
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about because I think
Speaker 3: this is like so bold and courageous of you, and
Speaker 3: I like love you for it is like you're on
Speaker 3: a show that is known for like partying, partying.
Speaker 2: How do you say that word partying?
Speaker 1: Partying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, being a partier and the fact that you just
Speaker 3: choose to like be sober and now you're into running,
Speaker 3: you're an author starting your own podcast. Like I feel
Speaker 3: like you are living your best years right now and
Speaker 3: like you're mentally, physically, emotionally everything you were just like
Speaker 3: blooming and blossoming, and everyone who watches the show can
Speaker 3: see it, so like, let's dive into that big time
Speaker 3: because I don't know you, but I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 3: and I know other people when I said that we're
Speaker 3: having you on the podcast, are like, hell yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So well, thank you, thank you, thank you. If I
Speaker 1: could say anything, I feel like I get way more
Speaker 1: credit than I deserve. You know, I've I don't have
Speaker 1: it all figured out, so I appreciate the kind words,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's hard sometimes to receive such complimentary
Speaker 1: feedback because I you know, I've put I've been through
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I'm definitely I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: a fan favorite. I appreciate the notion of that, but
Speaker 1: you know, I've certainly put a lot out there for
Speaker 1: the fans to talk about over the years, some pretty bad,
Speaker 1: some pretty ugly, but you know, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: we're you know, what we're here to do is show
Speaker 1: our lives and all the all the ugly, all the
Speaker 1: bad and the good sometimes. But yeah, no, I I've
Speaker 1: been very lucky and very privileged in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways, with a lot of opportunities and a lot
Speaker 1: of things have kind of come my way since kind
Speaker 1: of turning my life around, and a big part of
Speaker 1: that was admitting that I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict,
Speaker 1: and like I had to take those steps. I come
Speaker 1: from a family that has alcoholism and drug addiction in
Speaker 1: it mental health issues. So yeah, it was important for
Speaker 1: me to kind of look in the mirror. And I
Speaker 1: also watch the show too, Sophie. So seasons one through four,
Speaker 1: I mean I hated myself, like I hated who I
Speaker 1: was and the person I was putting out. And from
Speaker 1: season five and on, you know, I've really tried to
Speaker 1: make better choices and really look in the mirror.
Speaker 4: I told Sophie before we do this, because I've done
Speaker 4: like the same press you have, Carl, that we get
Speaker 4: asked a lot of the same questions over and over
Speaker 4: and over and over again a thousand times, and I
Speaker 4: think we want to have a little more fun and
Speaker 4: ask you stuff that you've never been asked before, in
Speaker 4: this spirit of this being a sports podcast. Originally, you're
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh guy, born and raised, Pirates, Penguins, Steelers.
Speaker 2: Who am I forgetting?
Speaker 1: Uh? Pirates timans do? That's our big gree That's all.
Speaker 1: We had three but I went to Syracuse University, so
Speaker 1: I do kind of low key cheer for the sports,
Speaker 1: I mean basketball, and Syracuse has been on a downhill
Speaker 1: the last I mean ever since we joined six we
Speaker 1: joined the ACC when the Big East got kind of disbanded,
Speaker 1: you know, Georgetown, Yukon and Deleanova, Syracuse, pitt It's never
Speaker 1: been the same for the basketball team.
Speaker 2: Even old Big East football used to be sick.
Speaker 4: Oh, and they had like West Virginia, Remember they had
Speaker 4: like Steve Slayton, Like old Big East used to be
Speaker 4: so toight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, West Virginia, Miami, Virginia Tech, Miami. That's some pretty
Speaker 1: good like Thursday night ACC games.
Speaker 4: What are your first memories? Is at Pittsburgh? Like sports fan?
Speaker 4: Is it the Steelers?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you like? What is your first memory that
Speaker 2: you can recall?
Speaker 1: First memory was nineteen ninety one ninety two the Penguins
Speaker 1: won back to back Stanley Cups. Mario Lemieux, Yamer Yager
Speaker 1: lived in our little community. He would he would go
Speaker 1: to his house during Halloween and he would hand like
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, so the local players have like a candy bar,
Speaker 1: like it was like their local thing.
Speaker 2: So what was it? Though, was it like a s A.
Speaker 1: It was a yamer yogurt, peanut butter hockey fuck like circular.
Speaker 1: That sounds kind of good. Actually, it was honestly legit,
Speaker 1: and he would hand them out from his own home
Speaker 1: because he lived in like in the community, so people
Speaker 1: would trick or treat at his house and he'd hand
Speaker 1: out his own candy bar to the kids.
Speaker 2: Wait, got is that cocky as shit or is that
Speaker 2: like legit?
Speaker 1: Well, he's he's a check and he's got a personality,
Speaker 1: so he kind of got away with being like an
Speaker 1: ego like Alpha.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My first memory really of that was ninety ninety one
Speaker 1: Penguins back to back. However, I do want to flag
Speaker 1: I was born in Chicago, Illinois, and we lived there
Speaker 1: when I was very young. My first game ever was
Speaker 1: a Chicago Cubs game at Wrigley It was it was
Speaker 1: a day game because when I went to the Wrigley Field,
Speaker 1: they did not have lights for night games. It was
Speaker 1: only daytime games at regularly up until like the late nineties.
Speaker 4: Do you know that there was also an ordnance in
Speaker 4: Chicago that said that they you can't make loud noise
Speaker 4: after whatever pm.
Speaker 2: It was like seven or eight pm.
Speaker 4: So that's why the Cubs like a if you watch
Speaker 4: mon TeV they're always playing there during the day because
Speaker 4: at Wrigley they've been playing day games for so long
Speaker 4: due to like not having lights and like these weird
Speaker 4: Chicago ordinances that they like never.
Speaker 1: Got rid of. Well, like Wrigley is they like literally
Speaker 1: in a neighborhood. It's like you're watching you know, it's
Speaker 1: like north of Chicago, but it's almost like it feels
Speaker 1: like you're in someone's backyard and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: here's a baseball stadium.
Speaker 3: But guys, don't you kind of prefer like a great
Speaker 3: like seventy five eighty degree day with a slight breeze
Speaker 3: rather than a night game, Like think about it.
Speaker 1: Baseball baseball day game is yeah, epic. I would say
Speaker 1: a playoff night game it's pretty cool too where it's
Speaker 1: at like an October night game.
Speaker 2: Playoffs, you're kind of bundled up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like that. Oh yeah, Carl.
Speaker 4: What did you to Syracuse? Like, I know Syracuse is
Speaker 4: a good journalism school, and I know.
Speaker 1: Kind of was good right behind me there it is
Speaker 1: my credentials, I my my guidance counselor, uh sophomore year
Speaker 1: of high school. I did like the morning announcements. I
Speaker 1: love holding microphones. I did the sports stuff even though
Speaker 1: I played. I love like ESPN and Sports Center. I
Speaker 1: mean kind of like you guys too. I thought of
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to journalism school. It's originally my idea,
Speaker 1: and my guidance counselor wrote down like four different schools.
Speaker 1: She's like Syracuse, n y U, USC, and.
Speaker 2: The University Missouri. Probably from being honest, Missouri it's the
Speaker 2: number one journalism school in the country.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a few schools and I my
Speaker 1: uncle had actually had some friends had gone to Syracuse
Speaker 1: and something about the basketball team, the big sports, the
Speaker 1: big school. I was really excited about trying to go there.
Speaker 1: So I put all my eggs into the Syracuse basket
Speaker 1: from like junior year. That's why I knew I wanted
Speaker 1: to go there because in school the education program. But
Speaker 1: that's how I got to Syracuse. So I was recruit.
Speaker 1: I was a really good volleyball player.
Speaker 2: I was all was volleyball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was first team All Pennsylvania my senior year.
Speaker 1: I was probably the best center in I mean in
Speaker 1: the country. I was probably the top five player in
Speaker 1: the country my senior year.
Speaker 2: Are you shitting me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm so spie.
Speaker 3: Dude, I know, But like I just I feel like
Speaker 3: being in the Midwest. I think when we were growing
Speaker 3: up volleyball. All the tall guys they went to basketball,
Speaker 3: but there were so many basketball players that I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: you'd be a badass volleyball player.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you played. Did you ever play sand?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? We had a sand court in our like
Speaker 1: in our town, even though we lived in Pittsburgh, we
Speaker 1: had like this cool sand court. In the summer. We
Speaker 1: all would like a cup.
Speaker 2: D I had no idea that like makes me just
Speaker 2: love you even more? What the heck?
Speaker 1: That is so fun? This is how it came to be.
Speaker 1: I loved baseball. I loved My brother was an amazing
Speaker 1: baseball player. He you know, was world class baseball player.
Speaker 1: People knew he was a great athlete. So I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be like my brother. Yeah, And when I
Speaker 1: got to high school, I was on the freshman baseball team.
Speaker 1: I wasn't great, but I just wanted to play. And
Speaker 1: then sophomore year, I tried out for the varsity baseball
Speaker 1: team got cut. I didn't even make the JD team,
Speaker 1: So I like went home crying, essentially when I got cut.
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do now with all this free time?
Speaker 1: And one of my friends said to me, shout out
Speaker 1: to Ryan Murray. He was like, bro, if you want
Speaker 1: to dunk a basketball, try out for the volleyball team.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like all these basketball players
Speaker 1: that weren't playing the spring sport went over to the
Speaker 1: basketball team. And my sophomore year, or sorry, volleyball team.
Speaker 1: My sophomore year, we had two of our best basketball
Speaker 1: players on the but I just caught the bug and
Speaker 1: it was incredibly technical, very competitive. I love the athleticism
Speaker 1: of the jumping and the blocking.
Speaker 3: Dude, wait, the jumping that men volleyball players credit this
Speaker 3: damn world. Like, I don't think people to the credit
Speaker 3: dude basketball players is dunking, But I'm like, no, you
Speaker 3: need to watch vollyball players jump.
Speaker 2: It is insane.
Speaker 1: They were crazy. So, yeah, I caught the bug my
Speaker 1: sophomore year of high school with volleyball. I wasn't great
Speaker 1: by sophomore year, but by junior year, yes, I actually
Speaker 1: started playing. Like there's a Junior Olympics of community. I
Speaker 1: started playing volleyball at Junior Olympics and my junior year
Speaker 1: I was really really good. With my senior year, I
Speaker 1: mean I was definitely one of the best players in
Speaker 1: the state. Wow.
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because was setting the right side like
Speaker 1: the center. Actually the right side blocker and the left
Speaker 1: side hitter is the strong hitter. So technically you want
Speaker 1: your probably your smartest player and your best blocker to
Speaker 1: be on your right side. I was a good blocker,
Speaker 1: but I was super smart. Yeah, so I played. Also,
Speaker 1: we did a six to two, so I would set
Speaker 1: back row and then get front right. So I had
Speaker 1: a good arm and a good good swing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Though I graduated from Syracuse, I
Speaker 1: was recruited by you know, Penn State, Saint Francis, like
Speaker 1: Ohio State Ball. I actually went to Ball State to
Speaker 1: look good old Indiana, but I wanted a large university
Speaker 1: experience and I wasn't going to get much scholarship money
Speaker 1: from those schools. Yeah, and I don't think my dad
Speaker 1: said this, but I heard this from someone. They said, Carl,
Speaker 1: if you tear your acl day one of being at
Speaker 1: ball State or Ohio State. Do you still want to
Speaker 1: go there? Yeah? I mean the answer the answer is not.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go. I wanted to go to where
Speaker 1: the education was the best and the program for furthering
Speaker 1: my career after college made the most sense. But I
Speaker 1: got to Syracuse and I did play on the club
Speaker 1: men's volleyball team, and my freshman year I was an
Speaker 1: All American as an actually outside hitter, not.
Speaker 2: A center, right side or left.
Speaker 1: I was a left side.
Speaker 4: You've been so humble about that because I knew you
Speaker 4: played volleyball, but you have never dropped the accolades until
Speaker 4: just now.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I was legit, very legit. Yeah, we got to find eight,
Speaker 1: but nope, you'll get a kick out of there. So
Speaker 1: this is sophomore year at Syracuse. There was a gym
Speaker 1: on campus where all, like the football players would come
Speaker 1: and play pick up. The lacrosse team played pick up.
Speaker 1: I was just the regular guys, but we had like
Speaker 1: a good crew of basketball players and I was playing
Speaker 1: pick up. I mean I could dunk. I was bawling
Speaker 1: like I was a good player.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: One of the assistant coaches from the men's basketball team
Speaker 1: was there watching and pulled me aside. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to try out? I said absolutely if I
Speaker 1: went over to the try out like a week or
Speaker 1: two later, and Jim bay Him was there. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: old deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't make the team I got. I got an
Speaker 1: email about a week later, Hey Carl, I'm the head
Speaker 1: coach of the women's basketball team.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to know where this is going?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you do it? Coach coach Quentin Richardson was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we're doing this whole men's practice squad, kind of like
Speaker 1: what Yukon was doing. We wanted our.
Speaker 2: Best supposed to do that.
Speaker 3: I think, well everyone does it now, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Back in the day, it might have been like a
Speaker 3: newer thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was newer. I was one of the
Speaker 1: first ones at Syracuse to kind of do this. But
Speaker 1: I went into the meeting and it was like, you
Speaker 1: get a gatorade, put your name on it, you get
Speaker 1: a pair of shoes to all the kids show up
Speaker 1: to this thing. And my favorite story, I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: my favorite story was Carrie Lambier. I hadn't talked about
Speaker 1: a long time. Carry Lambier, Bill Lambier's daughter, daughter. She
Speaker 1: was one of our power formers at the time. She's big,
Speaker 1: she was a beast, and she was she was good.
Speaker 1: And obviously I had the NBA pedigree. But I remember
Speaker 1: one of the assistant coaches going to me, He's like, Carl,
Speaker 1: go as hard as you fucking can't do it. And
Speaker 1: I could still like dunk this. So but the women's
Speaker 1: ball was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting
Speaker 1: to like using that a little bit. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: remember going fucking toe to toe and the paint and
Speaker 1: she would kick my fucking ass.
Speaker 2: Dude. Really, they weren't allowed.
Speaker 3: We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed to dunk.
Speaker 3: You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk.
Speaker 2: And like it was.
Speaker 3: It's so funny though, because it didn't take you a
Speaker 3: second to learn how to like play against the girls.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean I was. I obviously I was excited
Speaker 1: about the opportunity because I knew how fundamental and skilled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what I didn't clock was the toughness and like
Speaker 1: the physicality of the women. I just assumed it would
Speaker 1: be a little less physical. It was actually more physical.
Speaker 3: So ever realized everyone says that everyone because I heard
Speaker 3: that too. You just have to because when guys are
Speaker 3: so much more athletic, Like I don't care what anyone
Speaker 3: says that, yes, there's a lot of athletic females, but
Speaker 3: guys are just built different, and so we, I feel like,
Speaker 3: have to be more physical. And so when our practice
Speaker 3: players come in, they're like like, shit, we got the
Speaker 3: fucking shit beat out of us today. We're like, no,
Speaker 3: we have to like to keep up with you guys,
Speaker 3: Like there's no way that you you can't. So I
Speaker 3: just think it's funny too though, because our practice players
Speaker 3: is like the first.
Speaker 2: Ones, like you know, you're playing, so sometimes.
Speaker 3: You're gonna like hit someone in the boo where we're
Speaker 3: gonna hit you guys, like in the thing someone if
Speaker 3: you're posting.
Speaker 2: Some guy up down low and he's.
Speaker 1: Just I was also like trying to like like get
Speaker 1: some like leasuarage and I'm like putting my head in
Speaker 1: her tist like.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: But I will say that the no dunking policy is
Speaker 1: the real thing, because we had like I got frustrated
Speaker 1: at one point and it was like kind of backing
Speaker 1: down and I did like a pump fake and like
Speaker 1: drop step and I can like to like step and
Speaker 1: dunk and I did it, and the coach goes, don't
Speaker 1: ever fucking do that, ship.
Speaker 2: Carl, just like fuck you females exactly.
Speaker 4: Just because it's not a part of like I don't,
Speaker 4: it's just not a part of the women's game.
Speaker 1: So they just like.
Speaker 3: Realistic, there's not anyone doing what Carl can do. Especially
Speaker 3: if I played fucking men's volleyball.
Speaker 2: There's just no way.
Speaker 1: And then I remember, this is a crazy memory, but
Speaker 1: there was a guard from Rutgers at the time who
Speaker 1: was one of the best players in college basketball. Uh,
Speaker 1: Cappy Pond. Oh my gosh, yet what she was sick,
Speaker 1: And so I would wear this a like different colored jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be Cappy for a plaque of practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Basically I just ran around like a maniac, like screens
Speaker 1: are being set. I just ran all over the place.
Speaker 1: And there was one particular person that had the guard yep,
Speaker 1: but I would play kind of that.
Speaker 2: Dude. Kapy is like one of the best players that
Speaker 2: ever crossed the w n B.
Speaker 3: A like that is in saying Carl that you know
Speaker 3: these people, this is just like blowing my damn mind. No.
Speaker 1: I remember her vividly because she was yeah, like we
Speaker 1: had to kind of prepare for that game. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: always could tell my friends and were like.
Speaker 5: Was Carl's saying we You hear that He's saying we
Speaker 5: and there no.
Speaker 3: But I will say I think that like our practice
Speaker 3: players are men who are like in female sports, and
Speaker 3: like you're in it, like you're playing or like your
Speaker 3: manager or whatever, like you have a better appreciation for
Speaker 3: how how hard, like how hard we work in like
Speaker 3: the athleticism that we have. It's different than the men,
Speaker 3: but there's still an appreciation for it. And like the
Speaker 3: fact that you're still a fan of it. I think
Speaker 3: it's because you were in it. Like I just love that.
Speaker 1: I love it right more, I mean more than Like
Speaker 1: the competitiveness was incredible. The fundamentals were I actually believe
Speaker 1: the fundamentals are better than the men. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: bouts passing and pick screens, setting screens. So the defending
Speaker 1: it was like the women I felt like were like
Speaker 1: they do it, they did it better than us, and
Speaker 1: we got away.
Speaker 3: We have to like we have to we have to
Speaker 3: pay to do the small details because you guys are
Speaker 3: just too athletic that you'd pick us apart if you
Speaker 3: don't have the right angle, if you don't have the
Speaker 3: right I don't know, defensive scheme.
Speaker 4: Like Ultimately, that's the that's the whole purpose of having
Speaker 4: the men's squad is to just kind of like really
Speaker 4: and make everything a little bit different.
Speaker 1: I'll have to send you, guys the screenshot. There's it's
Speaker 1: called it's called The Daily the Daily Orange, which is
Speaker 1: our new student newspaper, And it was like men's bast
Speaker 1: or men's team cast offs practicing with the women or something.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love the w b A still has practice squads,
Speaker 3: so you need to get on the practice squad of
Speaker 3: the Liberty.
Speaker 1: Hey, if you need an extra. Well, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: live at green Point, Brooklyn, and the Liberty are building
Speaker 1: their brand new practice facility right right outside where I live.
Speaker 4: Dude, what's written in the stars, Carl.
Speaker 3: I'm already What if I got traded up there and
Speaker 3: then actually me and carlill become like best friends.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say it like we get married.
Speaker 2: Or something, I mean, and then I love it.
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Speaker 4: One part of your Summer House, lor Carl, that I
Speaker 4: still haven't watched, like everything from the beginning, but it's
Speaker 4: that you were like mister Sales, like just love, just
Speaker 4: love sales.
Speaker 1: I like, so you graduated from ser your cues with
Speaker 1: what degree? Television radio, television, radio and film? And what's
Speaker 1: funny is in my eighth grade like yearbook, we had
Speaker 1: like like superlins, like most likely to be an NFL player,
Speaker 1: most likely to be on TV? It was it was
Speaker 1: me because I always liked I liked the mic in
Speaker 1: the camera and like a lot of my friends from
Speaker 1: my hometown and growing up aren't surprised that I'm in
Speaker 1: the TV world. They're surprised that the way it is,
Speaker 1: like yeah, Prova. They thought it might be me like
Speaker 1: hosting something or being an anchor or doing that. It's
Speaker 1: it's a little different.
Speaker 4: I think if the three of us can all agree,
Speaker 4: we have always liked holding a microphone.
Speaker 1: I think we all have a knack for say.
Speaker 2: It just comes natural. We have the face and the
Speaker 2: voice for it.
Speaker 1: I thought I was on a face for radio.
Speaker 4: But you know, no, so you graduated and then ju
Speaker 4: were you in NYC right after you graduated, like came
Speaker 4: straight here?
Speaker 1: No? No, So it's funny like when you're a junior
Speaker 1: senior at Syracuse, a lot of the alumni, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe either like in the TV film program, alumni will
Speaker 1: go to LA or go to New York and there's
Speaker 1: like a at the time, it feels like it feels
Speaker 1: like what like Reddit is. It's like a forum, but
Speaker 1: just for Syracuse University. And kids would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I live in LA. I just graduated last year. I
Speaker 1: have an open couch if anybody wants to, you know,
Speaker 1: crash my couch for two months, no problem. Like alumni
Speaker 1: helped each other out. So when I graduated from Syracuse,
Speaker 1: I moved to LA like a week and a half
Speaker 1: after graduation, one bag. I brought an acoustic guitar, like
Speaker 1: a total loser car.
Speaker 3: Like, dude, carl out of everything that you might need
Speaker 3: to go across the damn world, you brought a fucking guitar.
Speaker 1: Acoustic guitar that I like could barely play, like you know, Oasis, Wonderwall.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a dream and I wanted to
Speaker 1: I wanted to work in the TV, the TV world.
Speaker 3: That's actually hilarious. Wait, when what year did you start Summerhouse?
Speaker 1: First season of Summerhouse started filming June twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: This is ten years.
Speaker 1: Ago, dude, two years.
Speaker 2: I was a sophomore in college.
Speaker 1: I was I had just gotten back from a visa
Speaker 1: on a six day bachelor party, barely slept, and Kyle
Speaker 1: and I drove out to the Hampton. So we had
Speaker 1: no idea what the hell was happening. I know, we
Speaker 1: were already we were already doing this kind of thing
Speaker 1: with friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget when I first moved to New
Speaker 1: York in twenty thirty. So I'd been in LA for
Speaker 1: quite a while and then I came to New York
Speaker 1: and I went to dinner with some friends and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are you doing this summer. I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out in New York City And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: come out to the Hamptons. And what I had learned,
Speaker 1: you know, that's twenty somethings, thirty somethings, finance, fashion, tech,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. They were like renting a house on
Speaker 1: the weekend with like a big group of friends. So
Speaker 1: I joined a house in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen. Wow,
Speaker 1: and I did what we kind of do. I met Kyle.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the first time met Kyle last. I
Speaker 1: don't know I've ever told you this. Oh lord, it's
Speaker 1: a true story. I was at surf Lodge. Now, I
Speaker 1: was the guy back in the day. I'd get the
Speaker 1: massive bottle of rose like yeah, like it was always
Speaker 1: taller than like a five foot person.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: And I had this bottle at the table and it
Speaker 1: was like my like chumming the water fishing. It was
Speaker 1: like a luring in all the cute girls and whatever.
Speaker 1: Of course it was embarrassing. I'm not saying this is cool.
Speaker 2: No, it's cool, it's fine. No one literally, no one's
Speaker 2: judging you. No one is judging.
Speaker 1: So have this big bottle and it was one of
Speaker 1: those things it reminded me of, like it was just
Speaker 1: like I was like trying to hold cork and overwalks
Speaker 1: Kyle Cook and he's like, I think he this is
Speaker 1: what he said, but this is kind of my memory.
Speaker 1: And he's like, sick bottle dude, Okay, I get some,
Speaker 1: and I'm like what I said. I had this thing
Speaker 1: where the bottle was so big and heavy that like
Speaker 1: I could pick it up with one hand and like
Speaker 1: pour it. It wasn't easy, but it was like a
Speaker 1: douchebag move, like can you like pour it with one hand?
Speaker 1: So I got a Kyle, I go, you can have
Speaker 1: something if you can pour it with one hand. He
Speaker 1: grabs it and he like couldn't do it. So how
Speaker 1: it's done. And then I we partied, we hung out,
Speaker 1: and then I swear like a couple of days later,
Speaker 1: I was at Equinox in Soho where I lived in
Speaker 1: New York, and I was at the gym at like
Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning and I look over and
Speaker 1: here's this blonde kid that looked like the dude from
Speaker 1: Surflage and he's at the bench press, like ripping weights
Speaker 1: and getting after one. It's two plates, bro, two plates,
Speaker 1: And I literally was yo, what's up, dude, and he
Speaker 1: was like yo, And we got each other's numbers and
Speaker 1: just became friends from there. But the honest to god truth,
Speaker 1: I was at my dentist's office a year later. I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about a TV show. Nothing I was getting.
Speaker 1: I worked in sales, the west sales guy thing. I
Speaker 1: was like a really good sales rep. I worked for
Speaker 1: a medical dental company. I'd sold braces and wires and orthonics.
Speaker 1: I lived here in New York City. I worked New
Speaker 1: Jersey and all that. So one of our one of
Speaker 1: my dentists, who was a friend of Kyle's also, he
Speaker 1: would give me cleanings and I'd go in and pitch
Speaker 1: him new products. I went into his office in May
Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen. I get in the chair, I lay back,
Speaker 1: and he's like, Yo, your boys are going to be
Speaker 1: on some Bravo show. And I go what And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle and Everett are going to be on some Hampton's
Speaker 1: reality show. And in the chair, I stall the email.
Speaker 1: I lay back and I wrote Kyle and Everett an email,
Speaker 1: Hey boys, I'm a Lane. Lane was a dentist and
Speaker 1: at Lane's office. What's this show about? Yeah, Kyle emailed
Speaker 1: right back and said, it's funny you asked we're looking
Speaker 1: for another guy, say less. I called Kyle after that
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, me and him knew each other,
Speaker 1: we were friends, but it wasn't like, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we look, we had some guy back out. We're
Speaker 1: looking for one more dude to complete our house. I
Speaker 1: know you're a lot of fun and seem like a
Speaker 1: good guy. Like what do you think? And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: fuck it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Isn't it crazy the chain of events that just like
Speaker 4: because you went to surflage that one day and Kyle
Speaker 4: came up to you that one day and then you
Speaker 4: were eating out like it all leads to like, I mean,
Speaker 4: same with when I met fucking Lindsay, Like it's just
Speaker 4: like so random.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget She came home from the bar that night,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. She was like I met the
Speaker 1: coolest guy ever, and like you we're going to do
Speaker 1: a podcast together. And she had like this napkin of
Speaker 1: like a contract. Hey, you guys had drawn up some
Speaker 1: like arrangement on a piece of paper.
Speaker 4: We laughed about this the other day, Sophie, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you know this. The night I met Lindsay,
Speaker 4: I like told her because I was a Bleacher Report
Speaker 4: or whatever, and then it's just the most Lindsy thing ever.
Speaker 4: She was like, you know what would be like a
Speaker 4: good podcast, like a girl and a guy talking about sports,
Speaker 4: be like inclusive bla blah blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 4: was like, honestly, yeah, good idea whatever. And then we
Speaker 4: kept drinking and she was like, you can't steal my
Speaker 4: fucking idea and take it.
Speaker 2: To Bleacher Report tomorrow. And I was like, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I would never.
Speaker 4: So she got a bar napkin, pulled it out and
Speaker 4: like sharp eat a contract on a bar napkin, and
Speaker 4: then made me sign it.
Speaker 2: So funny and then we joke.
Speaker 4: We talked about it again the other day and she
Speaker 4: was like, boy, I guess you broke your fucking contract.
Speaker 2: You have a podcast girl up out here we are Michael,
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Speaker 3: And I want to I want to know because I
Speaker 3: didn't realize how in depth your relationship with Kyle really
Speaker 3: was or is is it like so weird to look
Speaker 3: back on the last like two years because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people because I'm not in the reality
Speaker 3: TV world, and so I've asked Wes this multiple times.
Speaker 2: It's like, are these relationships like real relationships?
Speaker 3: Like when you are on a show, is like, oh,
Speaker 3: you have to be because you're part of the show,
Speaker 3: or like do you genuinely kind of start liking your castmates?
Speaker 3: And I feel like Kyle's one that you guys have
Speaker 3: been through so much with and so like just like
Speaker 3: the first three episodes of this season, I just feel
Speaker 3: like you have just grown and matured so much, like
Speaker 3: every aspect of your life, and like now I feel
Speaker 3: like you're looking at Kyle like, hey, like you can
Speaker 3: get out of this and you can have you can
Speaker 3: blossom too. But I feel like you're in a tough
Speaker 3: spot of like him needing to realize it himself, but
Speaker 3: also you kind of being his mentor because you've been
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 1: Very solid perspective. I yeah, I mean it's interesting that
Speaker 1: Kyle's been through a lot with me on the other side.
Speaker 1: You know, before I was getting sober, Kyle had to
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of eye ups and downs. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd show up the work pretty screwed up from the
Speaker 1: night before. I infamously showed up the work forgetting my laptop.
Speaker 1: So you can put up with a lot over the
Speaker 1: years with me, and you know, we're best friends. I
Speaker 1: love the guy to death, but I definitely you know,
Speaker 1: it's been hard seeing, you know, some of these challenges
Speaker 1: that he's gone through. But I will say, like we
Speaker 1: both like when I'm having a tough time, he's there
Speaker 1: for me. When you have a tough time on there
Speaker 1: for him. But I try not to be you know,
Speaker 1: just stand back and like be a helpful person. But
Speaker 1: I've tried to voice some things that I feel like
Speaker 1: are important. But we're very different people. And what's the
Speaker 1: psycho fitness guy that I love to death? Like it's
Speaker 1: it's gotten less of that, and I'm trying to push
Speaker 1: him back into more yeahness and wellness because I think
Speaker 1: that will unlock some things for him as well.
Speaker 4: Yep, do you obviously you're like I think you're a
Speaker 4: hyper self aware person, especially now that.
Speaker 1: Just too much to my own phone, probably I know.
Speaker 2: But do you like how much do you tiptoe?
Speaker 4: Because I feel like you would worry about having kind
Speaker 4: of like the god complex now of being the sober
Speaker 4: person dealing with you know, like our dumb drunk cry
Speaker 4: baby moments and stuff. I think you do a great
Speaker 4: job of like sharing your story without being condescending towards
Speaker 4: other people. But kind of what Sophie brought up about now,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like your time to give Kyle that
Speaker 4: like brotherly advice. How do you navigate like not coming
Speaker 4: off pretentious in the like sobriety like lens.
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing. I'm glad you asked that, West
Speaker 1: because I think that's something I'm very conscious of. I
Speaker 1: think when I first got sober, I mean even you
Speaker 1: could ask Lendsey probably like I would look at people
Speaker 1: early on when I got sober, like, oh, you're just strong.
Speaker 1: Like I had to tie in mighty, like I was
Speaker 1: better than you kind of a little bit. And it's
Speaker 1: it's not a great thing to be in early sobriety,
Speaker 1: like you don't have it all figured out. I had
Speaker 1: to muffle myself a little bit and kind of step
Speaker 1: back and go, listen, whatever is it, Like whatever works
Speaker 1: best for them, that's okay. You know, not everybody's an alcoholic,
Speaker 1: not everybody's a drug addict. You don't need to insert
Speaker 1: your own story into every little thing. So I've just
Speaker 1: tried to step back. You know. I have some friends that,
Speaker 1: of course, like, deep down in my body, am I
Speaker 1: like should I say something?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I don't. I try to step back and just
Speaker 1: be a support, be a friend, and I try not
Speaker 1: to make a lot of our conversation all about sobriety.
Speaker 1: And it's one of the most important things in my life.
Speaker 1: But I want to be just a regular guy too,
Speaker 1: And sometimes I love my sober community. Sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: newly sober. It's like all you talk about.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I also want to say, though, I don't
Speaker 3: think that I think the amount of people that I
Speaker 3: know because they know I do this with Wes, that
Speaker 3: they bring you up and they're like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: really cool to see someone who is sober on the show. Like,
Speaker 3: I think you're not giving yourself enough credit because I
Speaker 3: think that you've given a lot of people inspiration who
Speaker 3: are in their late twenties early thirties, well like whatever
Speaker 3: it is to like be sober and totally be like
Speaker 3: so okay with that and like stand in full confidence
Speaker 3: to do that. So I think you need to give
Speaker 3: yourself more credit about the amount of people that you're
Speaker 3: seriously like inspiring to do that, because I know there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people who want to but they're like,
Speaker 3: oh I might not fit in, or like how am
Speaker 3: I going to go socializer? And it's like no, Carl
Speaker 3: is like the prime example, and like, I think you
Speaker 3: give a lot of people hope.
Speaker 2: So I think you need to give yourself a little
Speaker 2: bit more credit now.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's something I'm working on, is receiving
Speaker 1: of compliments and praise.
Speaker 2: I think we're all bad at that in some.
Speaker 1: Way, you know what I mean. Well, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very I feel it's not lost on me the
Speaker 1: impact that having you know me and this experience and
Speaker 1: kind of being honest about my ups and downs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's more relatable to have a group
Speaker 1: of friends that, Okay, one of the people in the
Speaker 1: group doesn't drink anymore, doesn't party like that, but he's
Speaker 1: still is social, still like to have fun. Ye. And
Speaker 1: I'm proud that I get to kind of showcase a
Speaker 1: little bit of that experience to the audience for sure,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think also I will I'm not
Speaker 1: going to speak for Kyle or Lindsay or Amanda who
Speaker 1: did spend a lot of time with me under the influence.
Speaker 1: I was a nightmare. It was a fucking pain in
Speaker 1: the ass. I was an asshole. I was rude, I
Speaker 1: was a dick. I was I was just like I
Speaker 1: was chaoic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think if anything, the way, it's well's I
Speaker 1: told my close friends, they were like, thank god, yeah
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think people love you.
Speaker 3: You don't need that stuff, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Some people, actually, I don't know if anyone needs it.
Speaker 2: But like some people feel like that's the whole identity.
Speaker 1: I thought it gave me this kind of like confidence
Speaker 1: and yeah who I thought I wanted to be. But
Speaker 1: as a result, it actually was the opposite. And I've
Speaker 1: learned it. I've learned to kind of fall back into like, no,
Speaker 1: this is just me. If you don't like me for this,
Speaker 1: then okay, no worries.
Speaker 2: You don't like me, then fuck you. It's your problem,
Speaker 2: not mine.
Speaker 5: Story. Yeah, we've talked about it. One story Carl that
Speaker 5: really like it didn't like change how I kind of
Speaker 5: thought about everything. But two summers ago and Sophie, this didn't.
Speaker 5: I don't think it made the show. But basically, the
Speaker 5: girls stole.
Speaker 4: Our costumes for like a costume party and do you
Speaker 4: say costume?
Speaker 2: Weird costume? Cost costume?
Speaker 4: Well anyway, costume, no age And okay, so they steal
Speaker 4: our costumes, we can't find them anywhere, and Carl is
Speaker 4: like tweaking out, like like he's where the fuck is
Speaker 4: my fucking costume?
Speaker 2: Fuck, everyone like losing it. And I was kind of
Speaker 2: like Carl, Carl, you good, Like we'll find them later.
Speaker 4: And Carl, to your credit, you took a breath, and
Speaker 4: you're like, as someone who is no longer drinking a
Speaker 4: part of these parties, I feel included with my outfits,
Speaker 4: with planning the party, with all of this, and that
Speaker 4: was such a big moment for me to click. Like,
Speaker 4: even without necessarily like drinking, there's still a zillion different
Speaker 4: other ways to like feel included and being be a
Speaker 4: part of things that are drinking centric, but they're not
Speaker 4: specifically like drinking activities. And when you when you told
Speaker 4: me that, you're like, this is what I this is
Speaker 4: how I like have fun and feel a part of
Speaker 4: everything and feel a part of the group. I kind
Speaker 4: of in that moment switched being like, yeah, fuck you girls,
Speaker 4: give them. Then you crashed out.
Speaker 1: Now you nailed it. I think I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say I wish they showed that moment because I I
Speaker 1: melted down, Sophie. I bought five four costumes thatching I'll explain.
Speaker 1: I bought four costumes for Kyle, Jesse West and myself.
Speaker 1: They were kind of douicy, fun American flag July fourth
Speaker 1: already outfits. I put them in the room, I go
Speaker 1: run samarants and setting up I come back. They're gone
Speaker 1: now I have nothing else to wear other than a
Speaker 1: hot dump, and I don't want to wear the hot dog,
Speaker 1: but I like tore up the house. Everybody lied to
Speaker 1: my face. Sierra specifically was like I don't have the
Speaker 1: and I was like, I know you're lying to me.
Speaker 1: I don't like you anymore. Because long story short to
Speaker 1: west point, there is something like some of my sober friends.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who says this very well. He's
Speaker 1: like Carl, just because I'm sober, it doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: don't want to go out or stop getting dressed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and getting dressed up is another element of like that
Speaker 1: feeling of you're a part of it, you're participating, you're social,
Speaker 1: you're having fun. And for me, dressing up also like
Speaker 1: I can act and play it, like acting almost as
Speaker 1: like a character and being sillier, goofy or whatever it
Speaker 1: is to dressing up, especially our theme parties. I love
Speaker 1: it because it gives me like another of just something
Speaker 1: fun to do and yeah, out of participant.
Speaker 3: So dude, you guys go balls to the walls with
Speaker 3: your outfits like.
Speaker 1: Miracle Well Wes is also gone balls ball with themes.
Speaker 1: You've got a great theme to start the summer at
Speaker 1: the country fair. You know he's he love his missourius
Speaker 1: to the to the table.
Speaker 2: What do you love? Guys?
Speaker 3: Now that we're talking about this, I have got to
Speaker 3: know everyone wants to know how you made out with Bailey?
Speaker 1: How or what not?
Speaker 2: How? But like how did it come about? Like that
Speaker 2: is so good? We can't ask that question, Sophie, Yes
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: I can ask whatever the hell I want to ask it,
Speaker 3: so if he wants to answer or not. And here's
Speaker 3: my thing is, like we have just known you, Carl
Speaker 3: for like just being like the data of the house.
Speaker 3: You're always the one who's like up running a million
Speaker 3: miles in the morning, getting everyone in bagels, like doing it, yeah,
Speaker 3: the bagels. But then we also know you as of
Speaker 3: course you and Lindsay had your little thing, so you've
Speaker 3: always like kind of been in some type of relationship.
Speaker 2: But like this is like fun, Carl.
Speaker 3: The summer is like so far fun Carl, Like you
Speaker 3: just give two fucks and I love to see it.
Speaker 3: Like so far you and Amanda this year are like
Speaker 3: fuck it, this is who we are and I absolutely
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: But like I want to know more about the Bailey sitch.
Speaker 2: That's so fun.
Speaker 1: No, we I mean it's funny watching back the first
Speaker 1: few episodes where she, you know, she's kind of crushing
Speaker 1: out Ben the Australian, which I think we're all crushing
Speaker 1: on Ben same, I mean west than I am. Ben.
Speaker 1: Ben's Ben's a fucking stunt and he he's like he's
Speaker 1: a great addition to the group and such good energy.
Speaker 1: But how did the girls kind of crush on him?
Speaker 1: Was actually kind of new new experience where like there's
Speaker 1: this other guy in the house. Everybody's like, oh wait.
Speaker 2: Jell us, were you guys like wait a second, be honest, No,
Speaker 2: I'm dealing.
Speaker 4: I've just in my I've been in my own head
Speaker 4: for two years. He's he can't have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben, I think was the perfect person for that.
Speaker 1: He's he wasn't like I don't know, He's just a
Speaker 1: good dude. And the way he handled a lot of
Speaker 1: that attention I thought was a very He's like shoy,
Speaker 1: he's like very shot, Like he gets uncomfortable when girls
Speaker 1: are like you're so hot, he like gets red and.
Speaker 3: Well he said that he grew up like in a
Speaker 3: very religious, religious, religious family, so they never really talked about.
Speaker 2: Any of that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I think that that helps a little bit of
Speaker 3: like not speaking of not being able to take a compliment.
Speaker 2: Ben, I can't compliment getting fat.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Bailey and I, you know, you'll see how
Speaker 1: the season plays out. I think it was a slower
Speaker 1: burn to get to that point. But I think Bailey's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I mean, I love her over
Speaker 1: sharing and like all the information I'm talking about, it's
Speaker 1: like it's sweet, Like she's been through some brutal dating stuff,
Speaker 1: and I give her that first dinner where she opened
Speaker 1: up about sweet green.
Speaker 2: She got a fucking did you see you got a
Speaker 2: sweet green? I saw it. But at least Carl's more
Speaker 2: like has empathetic what is that word? Empathy?
Speaker 1: Empathy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're over there going back to Jess,
Speaker 2: like two girls crying on the first dinner losers.
Speaker 1: Well, I was like, I was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with West though, like that was you know, it's
Speaker 1: unusual at the first dinner for someone to kind of
Speaker 1: go to that level of emotion, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was funny as hell. Looking back, I think I
Speaker 1: did tell Bailey though, I go, you're gonna get a speaker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the shot of Carl is him doing the fake
Speaker 4: puppy dog poutlet where he's.
Speaker 3: Like, guys, I want to start house and I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna have complete crash out, crying the whole time, emptying
Speaker 3: my whole story, and see how you guys handle it.
Speaker 1: I will, Oh, guys, that is so not like me.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 5: I remember if you if when you guys play the
Speaker 5: Liberty if Carl, I can get court side.
Speaker 2: Courtside Liberty Fever tickets in You're you got a room
Speaker 2: at the house? Hey, what else are we supposed to
Speaker 2: be talking about here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, reality, Bailey Bailey, the maakeout was definitely hot. Then
Speaker 1: I will say it was a great It was good.
Speaker 1: It was hot.
Speaker 3: I can co sign that it make it would as something.
Speaker 3: Is it weird like being in the house, like when
Speaker 3: everyone's there and you guys just do stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Is it just like like I mean, we're real friends,
Speaker 1: like we we I think we just loved having a
Speaker 1: good time. And I think the more we realize like
Speaker 1: the silly like we almost kind of egg each other
Speaker 1: on with like silly vibes or joking or being kind
Speaker 1: of ridiculous. And I think the more we spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time on camera that are off camera that
Speaker 1: you guys don't see. So we do bond. I mean
Speaker 1: even Kyle and I and lindsay like the car rides,
Speaker 1: like you don't see all the car rides, but we
Speaker 1: really hang out three hours in the car, So like
Speaker 1: there's just a lot we feel like, I know, we're
Speaker 1: kind of oh, we're all we're all here to make
Speaker 1: a great show. Like let's be ridiculous and weird and
Speaker 1: put it all out there.
Speaker 4: The other thing, though, that I've always said, is like
Speaker 4: unlike other reality TV shows where the film scenes where
Speaker 4: it's like here's dinner, make stuff happen, and then you
Speaker 4: won't see each other and you won't film until like
Speaker 4: two days lunch, like we are the second we walk
Speaker 4: in the house. It's full like fifty hours of filming NonStop.
Speaker 4: And after you've done it once and you realize, like
Speaker 4: everything I said here, like this funny moment or whatever,
Speaker 4: also don't make it. You're not like trying to be
Speaker 4: performative because nothing you want to, like nothing you plan,
Speaker 4: will be on the show, and everything you don't plan
Speaker 4: will be on it. So like it's just a very uh,
Speaker 4: you have to just kind of let your guard down
Speaker 4: and just hang out, because otherwise you'd be exhausted.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 3: I do have a question though, and this is kind
Speaker 3: of for both of you, Carl, this is off the
Speaker 3: walls to just hang tight.
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, do you guys kind of miss like
Speaker 2: Lindsay being on the show. I mean she jumps back
Speaker 2: the episode this week?
Speaker 3: Well, I know because I know she like last week,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, she doesn't have what's the baby's name, Jema? Yeah, Jimmy,
Speaker 3: she didn't have jim us, so she's gonna come and
Speaker 3: hang out. But like, do you kind of miss her
Speaker 3: like energy and just like being friends with her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Girl, absolutely, and you'll see on this season. I think
Speaker 1: I kind of have to face that feeling a lot
Speaker 1: more than I think I realized. You know, we were
Speaker 1: very close friends, best friends for four years before we
Speaker 1: started dating, and once we you know, we've been in
Speaker 1: a relationship for less than two years all in all,
Speaker 1: and not try to minimize that, but like since we've
Speaker 1: been broken up and been kind of living our own lives. Like,
Speaker 1: of course, like I miss my friendship with her, I
Speaker 1: miss some of the inside jokes. I love seeing her
Speaker 1: get along with the others, and like her friendships with
Speaker 1: the girls have been strong. She bonds really well with
Speaker 1: West and Kyle, and of course I like see those
Speaker 1: and kind of wish I had more of that. But
Speaker 1: I think you'll see on this season the inside of me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish I want I want to be
Speaker 1: closer to her in some way and be friendly, but
Speaker 1: don't want to be disrespectful. And there's still some closure.
Speaker 1: I think that needed to happen. Yep, and you'll see
Speaker 1: kind of at the end of the summer hurt Lindsay
Speaker 1: and I do talk, which I think was really powerful.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, tell us about when she brought you your mail.
Speaker 1: So this has been going on for several years now.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the beginning of it. Obviously, we were
Speaker 1: in a relationship, we broke up. I attended a Christmas
Speaker 1: party maybe five months after we broke up for our
Speaker 1: company that you know, the production company. We're a party.
Speaker 1: I showed it to the Christmas party. Everybody writes their
Speaker 1: name on like hello, my name is, puts it on
Speaker 1: your sweater or your jacket. I put my name on
Speaker 1: my shirt. I'm hanging out and overwalks one of our
Speaker 1: producers with a bag and it says, hello, my name
Speaker 1: is Carl's mail and she's like, this is for you
Speaker 1: from Lindsay and I'm like okay. And then the next
Speaker 1: event we went to, I think I might have been
Speaker 1: the reunion. She came into the green room and the
Speaker 1: reunion and gave me a little stack of mail. Then
Speaker 1: again last fall we were somewhere else, but it's been something.
Speaker 1: We had an apartment together, so she it actually has
Speaker 1: been really funny because I.
Speaker 2: Think, but the most recent one was like really cute.
Speaker 1: On my birthday, we were all together for a press
Speaker 1: thing for Serious Radio and I walked into our kind
Speaker 1: of dressing room and she was there. Everybody was singing
Speaker 1: me Happy birthday. It was really sweet. She even you know, participated,
Speaker 1: and then like a thick like here you go, bail.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Wait, Carl, what if this like brings
Speaker 3: you guys back to like you guys are both thriving.
Speaker 3: I'm just talking shit, and like the male is what
Speaker 3: brings you guys back to like getting married?
Speaker 1: That would be an unbelievable Hollywood ending to all of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I will say, she looks amazing. She's
Speaker 1: she looks hot, dude, she looks hot. She looks great.
Speaker 1: And I Kyle and I think even wester n Jesse
Speaker 1: might have caught me looking at her this past summer,
Speaker 1: maybe once or twice.
Speaker 3: But I mean that, but both of you guys really
Speaker 3: are I feel like you guys are just like really
Speaker 3: healthy in every aspect or trying to be healthy, and
Speaker 3: just like mentally, physically, emotionally, you guys are just really thriving.
Speaker 2: And that's like good to see. I know that she
Speaker 2: probably loves seeing you like that too, so like it
Speaker 2: looks really good on Lindsay for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She I mean, I I know her very very
Speaker 1: well and to see her she's just lighter and happier,
Speaker 1: and you know, just seeing her thrive, it just makes
Speaker 1: me happy deep down. But for me, like you know,
Speaker 1: I we'll see how the friendship can unfold more. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're cordial at Bravo Con and she, you know, was
Speaker 1: very sweet. We had a really fun The group of
Speaker 1: Bravo Con was awesome, Like we had a really good group.
Speaker 1: We were laughing at some of the same inside jokes.
Speaker 1: She even had some things to say to me personally.
Speaker 1: We just talked for a few minutes. So you know,
Speaker 1: my goal is at the reunion she unblocks me from Instagram.
Speaker 7: You're you're still blocked speaking into existence, manifest block.
Speaker 1: Which I understand totally. It's up to her. But I
Speaker 1: was just a manifesting maybe at the reunion and you'll
Speaker 1: take his finger and Lindsay's finger and go on.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm just an idea, But now I I wish I
Speaker 1: don't think people fully understand the bond, like the core
Speaker 1: group of us really have, and those inside jokes and
Speaker 1: those and this summer that you're watching in like the
Speaker 1: episode tonight, like there's little moments of like me and
Speaker 1: Lindsay laughing at the same thing, or Kyle me and
Speaker 1: Lindsay laughing at the same thing. That makes me so happy.
Speaker 2: Because it felt like that close to kissing it all.
Speaker 1: Now. But you'll, I mean, there was a pretty large
Speaker 1: fight that occurred and she Lindsay came in to actually
Speaker 1: calm me down, and it kind of worked.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I figured actually that that would be
Speaker 4: the best a voice of reason for you and like
Speaker 4: a super hot moment. Honestly, I just think there's so
Speaker 4: so many full circle things that happened when you do
Speaker 4: something like this and like that's one of them, I know.
Speaker 3: But the reason I asked those because like you and Sierra,
Speaker 3: there's like some dirty, little like cute moments that you
Speaker 3: guys both talk about, So I want to ask him
Speaker 3: with lindsay you and I want to engage though or
Speaker 3: together for that long.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True. Now I know some people deep down and
Speaker 1: are speculating like, oh, you guys are in much better
Speaker 1: place than that. Yeah, one step at a time. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to get back from unblocked. And I will say, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been really like the friendliness of it all is amazing.
Speaker 1: We have so many mutual friends really could like we
Speaker 1: have a core group of people that there was some
Speaker 1: awkwardness obviously for a period of time, and I tried
Speaker 1: my best to be respectful and kind of allow just
Speaker 1: some space and some healing to it. But it for me,
Speaker 1: it feels good to kind of feel like I'm maybe
Speaker 1: welcome back in the group a little bit with some
Speaker 1: of the friends. But that took some time, so I'm
Speaker 1: just glad to be where we are now. For a
Speaker 1: while it wasn't so great, but well, even like Wes,
Speaker 1: we did that panel for ninety two and hy and
Speaker 1: Lina I were making cracks back and forth between each
Speaker 1: other that night, which felt so it was like the
Speaker 1: highlight of the night for me, like and kind of
Speaker 1: like when Sierra's nice the West West.
Speaker 2: It's like I was going to say, get it. I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what I mean. Yeah, so, oh good stuff.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Well, I was saying that to
Speaker 1: Sophie being sober in the house, just like something that
Speaker 1: I think is important for maybe or listeners to know,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel very lucky that I get
Speaker 1: to still do the show. There's certainly moments where I
Speaker 1: get it, Like looking outside, you're like, wait, this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't drink. How can he do that? But I was
Speaker 1: such a terror and a pain in the ass, Like
Speaker 1: the only way I can be a part of the
Speaker 1: show is by not drinking. Yeah, and I'm present, I'm balanced,
Speaker 1: But of course, like I think the show itself, we
Speaker 1: have stupid shit that happens. People get in the fights
Speaker 1: because of alcohol. But I can still be a pick
Speaker 1: and still be a jerk or still be human without alcohol.
Speaker 1: And I think people will see those moments too where
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, like you'll get drama out of me.
Speaker 1: But it's just much healthier.
Speaker 4: I would like to say, though, Carl, your sobriety is
Speaker 4: much bigger than just summer House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally significantly bigger, much cooler, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just I take a lot of pride
Speaker 1: in being a part of this awesome show. And like
Speaker 1: I mean, Wes, you've been in a massive, massive addition
Speaker 1: to what we get to do, and I feel like
Speaker 1: you've brought a new energy to what we get to
Speaker 1: do and for me to still be a part of
Speaker 1: the season ten the way it is now, like it's
Speaker 1: unreal that we've made it this far. I mean, my
Speaker 1: dad jokes around, we've been on TV longer than Friends
Speaker 1: and Signs, which is saying crazy, that's most shows don't
Speaker 1: Most reality shows don't make it past one season. Ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of the reality shows don't make it to
Speaker 1: a second season. And we're still kicking around. So I
Speaker 1: just feel so lucky to be able to get to
Speaker 1: do it. Sure, and I a little bit more boring And.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're literally not boring like saying you saying that,
Speaker 3: like I'm still add You're dude, You're human, like everyone
Speaker 3: is that way, Like you're still human.
Speaker 2: You're no one's perfect, so who cares?
Speaker 1: Well? I read too many comments and I've been absorbing
Speaker 1: all of the nonsense. I'm the guy that I could
Speaker 1: make a hundred people smile and be the happiest. Ever,
Speaker 1: it's the one guy goes it wasn't that great, And
Speaker 1: I would just lose sleep all night for the one guy,
Speaker 1: for the one girl.
Speaker 2: You know you need to learn how to not care
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: I'm you tricks Vie, I I just don't get I
Speaker 3: work with the sports side guy, and that has.
Speaker 2: Been literally a night and day difference for me.
Speaker 3: And I promise you that I've always had like a
Speaker 3: confidence about me that like I'm going to beat my
Speaker 3: own drum, like I know my end goal, I know
Speaker 3: who I want to be and so.
Speaker 2: But I think that a lot of people can.
Speaker 3: Get in their heads, like you can question if you're
Speaker 3: doing things the right way, what your character is all that.
Speaker 3: But I've truly mastered I think the past, not mastered,
Speaker 3: but pretty damn close the past, like two or three
Speaker 3: years of like this is my word, and forgive me
Speaker 3: for not for I mean, little kids can't say this,
Speaker 3: but like fuck it, like who gives fuck? Like I
Speaker 3: literally do not care, like people are gonna love me
Speaker 3: or hate me regardless of what I do. So why
Speaker 3: would I not just do not do what I want?
Speaker 3: Like I don't want it to sound like this, but
Speaker 3: I just don't care what other people think of me.
Speaker 2: And I just it's so freeing is so fatul or
Speaker 2: is it a learned? Is that a learned?
Speaker 3: I think I think there's a little bit of natural,
Speaker 3: but like I had to relearn how to not care
Speaker 3: so much because I'm someone who is a very like passionate,
Speaker 3: fiery I love people, I care about people, but I
Speaker 3: have just really mastered the art of like I really
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, and like when I am
Speaker 3: that way, I am my best self.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, it's there's so much I
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: I have like a thirty second message that plays in
Speaker 1: the morning from Sophie, Hey, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't give a fuck. I promise you. It is
Speaker 2: so bring and you just you see, just it just
Speaker 2: is so much lighter.
Speaker 3: Things just open up when you literally don't care because honestly,
Speaker 3: these people don't know you, the people commenting, the people
Speaker 3: who are praising you, and like shitting on you.
Speaker 2: They don't know really anything about you.
Speaker 3: They know you guys as like Summerhouse, Carl, summer House West,
Speaker 3: like they don't truly know you.
Speaker 1: So like I totally and I part of I think
Speaker 1: what it's it's had me or it's allowed me to
Speaker 1: like I had to be honest, like I'm a people pleaser,
Speaker 1: which is why I feel this way. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I've had to do a lot of therapy and work
Speaker 1: on that. I'm getting better, but you know, I've after
Speaker 1: like going through a pretty public, difficult breakup, there was
Speaker 1: something that kind of within me, like I felt like
Speaker 1: for a long like literally everybody hated me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know there was I've had to do a lot
Speaker 1: of healing and work on that, but you know, I
Speaker 1: had a it was a pretty rough public thing that
Speaker 1: went on and it took me probably a good year
Speaker 1: to like finally heal and feel like myself, which is
Speaker 1: what you're watching on the current season, like in the
Speaker 1: mix and like I finally felt like myself. I get Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I need to bottle up some of that.
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham, h fuck you energy, because I.
Speaker 3: Think you also, like both of you guys, and like
Speaker 3: everyone who is in reality or just like in a
Speaker 3: platform in the public eye in general, do you have
Speaker 3: to remember like that life is not normal, like other
Speaker 3: people go through everything that we go through, but it's
Speaker 3: just not highlighted. And like every little thing, Like if
Speaker 3: everyone's life was highlighted, everyone would be getting so much shit, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? So like who cares?
Speaker 3: Like people love you guys, but you know you're gonna
Speaker 3: get shipped for it too, So just man, who cares it?
Speaker 3: We need Sophie on summer else, No, you don't.
Speaker 1: I love that season season five we had a basketball
Speaker 1: hoop and I we crushed Pig and Horse. I played.
Speaker 1: We had a good time out there.
Speaker 2: I love that I had a cool basketball hoop This year,
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for.
Speaker 1: That that episode. Oh, we had an epic.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm hoping to get make it one weekend when
Speaker 3: we play in New Yorker if I haven't off to like,
Speaker 3: come up and hang out.
Speaker 2: It'd be so fun.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta come. Yeah, we would love love
Speaker 1: to see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be good. Hey, Carl, I love you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having for the audio difficulties in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Now, thanks for putting on to me. I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of you guys. I Wes told me you guys
Speaker 1: doing that. I've been a big support. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys see I like a lot of your show me
Speaker 1: posts and things. I'm a big fan of what you
Speaker 1: guys are doing. Thanks. I think Wess is incredibly talented
Speaker 1: and he is a shining a shining light.
Speaker 2: And oh guys, you are too. Sometimes sometimes no, I
Speaker 2: think you're You're awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan, so I appreciate your support.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be in real life and I'll
Speaker 1: show you my yeah skilled, there you go. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: U show me something. Podcasts Episode thirty four with Karl
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Speaker 2: Guy to ever live. Carl, We're so thankful, love you,
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
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Speaker 2: Are you gonna say who I think an animal? Well?
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Speaker 3: No, she was seriously, I'll send you a picture of
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Speaker 3: years old. So I want to shout out our beautiful baby.
Speaker 2: So well, love yeah, sinning love to Paula.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, mom is really you know, kind of been
Speaker 3: out of shape, out of it, but she she lived
Speaker 3: a great life.
Speaker 2: You know, she was a happy horse. So yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: it was her time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, putting a horse down sad man, because they're like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't mean, I don't want to get into that.
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Speaker 2: My dad uses a forklift.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a forklift to like grab him or grab her
Speaker 3: and then like carry like it's just a whole process.
Speaker 2: So it is actually like kind of sad, you know,
Speaker 2: No it is. Yeah, yeah, she was good. We love her. No,
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Speaker 2: Miss Yea, See you next time
Speaker 1: Time