WEBVTT - Carl Radke on Summer House tea, sobriety, hooping vs. WNBA legends 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.960 I'll tell you my fare story was Carrie Lambier. I 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.600 hadn't talked about a long time. Carry Lambier, Bill Lambier's 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.159 daughter daughter. She was one of our power formers at 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:08.479 the time. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.520 She's fucking big. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.200 She was a beast and she was she was good 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.400 and obviously I had the NBA pedigree. But I remember 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.360 one of the assistant coaches going to me, He's like, Carl, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.040 go as hard as you can't do like and I 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.759 could still like dunk so like, but the women's ball 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.720 was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting to 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.560 like using that a little bit. Yeah, but I remember 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.400 going fucking toe to toe and the paint and she 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.600 would kick my fucking ass. Dude. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.760 Really, they weren't allowed. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.080 We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed to dunk. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.240 You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:41.960 And like it was. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.120 It's so funny though, because it didn't take you a 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.560 second to learn how to like play against the girls. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.519 I just think it's funny too though, because our practice 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.000 players is like the first ones, like you know you're playing, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.640 so sometimes you're gonna like hit someone in the boo 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.360 where we're gonna hit you guys, Like in the yagone. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.400 You're posting some guy up down low and he's. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.800 Just I was also like trying to get some like 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.160 lessards and I'm like putting my head in her tist like. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:10.400 I love it. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.720 Okay, First Weeks, First Guys, Show Me Something Podcasts Episode 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:28.360 thirty four. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.800 We are joined by a dear friend of mine, Carl Radkey. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.600 He's now also a podcast host himself Summer House Og 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.440 and I've got it in real time? 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.880 Are you calling you calling yourself an author? 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.800 Carl, No, I'm not. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:47.880 This is awesome. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.600 I mean, I feel like I have to, but I'm 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.560 not comfortable with that. There's a lot of there's a 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.120 lot of amazing authors who are real authors. I'm just 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.640 a regular random dude. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:58.680 That's why people love you though. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.760 But Carl did publish a book. It is called Cake Eater. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.360 You've kind of got a lot of awesome stuff going 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.239 on right now. Are you more excited to have the 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.360 book going around? Are you more excited to like start 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:12.760 the pod? 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.680 I mean, I feel like they I've been working on 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.720 both of these things for like almost two years, so 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.480 they kind of go hand in hand together. They kind 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.320 of feed each other. So I mean it's been both 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.480 of them have been really fulfilling. It's super you know, 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.839 super fun, very overwhelming. Some of the book stuff going 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.080 on tours been really exciting. But also yeah, I mean 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.679 I've opened up a lot about you know, dark, difficult 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.400 things in my life. It's not like a happy you know, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.040 how do your friends read? It's it's very difficult, you know, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.400 material and things I've been through. So yeah, I mean, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:46.959 some of it's been amazing. But the goal from the 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.920 beginning with the book was to help people, and I 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.040 feel like that's that's what's happening. So that's all that 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:51.680 really matters. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.959 Okay, I shoot it real quick. Maybe I'm going to 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:55.399 introduce you guys, because that's my fault. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.120 I didn't even do it. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.240 No, you're okay, Sophy, Carl, Carl, Sophie and before I 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.880 go this summer, when we were filming Summerhouse, I told Carl, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.560 I was like, I might be doing a podcast with 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:06.400 Sophie cunning Hamley. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:07.320 I don't know if you know who that is. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:08.920 Carl and I live in house with a lot of 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.839 dudes who aren't super big ballnoers. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:11.960 Carl is a Ballner. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.400 Yeah, Carl is a huge She's a beast, like you 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.360 gotta do it, and so I'm glad you to get 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:16.920 to mean help. 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.120 Okay, Hi Sophie, Hi Carl. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.320 Okay. So I was I love this. I was just 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:21.799 telling Wes. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.200 I was like, I think that I just really love him, Like, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.320 I just feel like you were just a good freaking 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.560 human and there's just something about you that you just 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.480 want to squeeze like and but like, well done. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.320 That's why everyone's like calls him dad. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.560 But seriously, I think that you are a fan favorite 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:37.720 for so many reasons. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:38.920 But something that. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.520 I want to talk to you about because I think 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.400 this is like so bold and courageous of you, and 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.680 I like love you for it is like you're on 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.240 a show that is known for like partying, partying. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.800 How do you say that word partying? 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:51.800 Partying? 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.640 Yeah, being a partier and the fact that you just 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.800 choose to like be sober and now you're into running, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.720 you're an author starting your own podcast. Like I feel 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.080 like you are living your best years right now and 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.520 like you're mentally, physically, emotionally everything you were just like 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.200 blooming and blossoming, and everyone who watches the show can 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.720 see it, so like, let's dive into that big time 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.000 because I don't know you, but I'm so proud of you, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.560 and I know other people when I said that we're 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.080 having you on the podcast, are like, hell yeah, and 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.440 I'm like, let's get into it. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.080 So well, thank you, thank you, thank you. If I 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.839 could say anything, I feel like I get way more 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.040 credit than I deserve. You know, I've I don't have 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.200 it all figured out, so I appreciate the kind words, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.880 but you know, it's hard sometimes to receive such complimentary 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.120 feedback because I you know, I've put I've been through 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.560 a lot of stuff. I'm definitely I don't think I'm 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.000 a fan favorite. I appreciate the notion of that, but 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.000 you know, I've certainly put a lot out there for 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.200 the fans to talk about over the years, some pretty bad, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.840 some pretty ugly, but you know, that's kind of what 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.640 we're you know, what we're here to do is show 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.200 our lives and all the all the ugly, all the 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.160 bad and the good sometimes. But yeah, no, I I've 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.560 been very lucky and very privileged in a lot of 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.360 different ways, with a lot of opportunities and a lot 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.040 of things have kind of come my way since kind 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.960 of turning my life around, and a big part of 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.760 that was admitting that I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.440 and like I had to take those steps. I come 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.039 from a family that has alcoholism and drug addiction in 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.159 it mental health issues. So yeah, it was important for 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.600 me to kind of look in the mirror. And I 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.039 also watch the show too, Sophie. So seasons one through four, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.080 I mean I hated myself, like I hated who I 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.839 was and the person I was putting out. And from 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.599 season five and on, you know, I've really tried to 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.320 make better choices and really look in the mirror. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.440 I told Sophie before we do this, because I've done 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.600 like the same press you have, Carl, that we get 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.560 asked a lot of the same questions over and over 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.200 and over and over again a thousand times, and I 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:50.919 think we want to have a little more fun and 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.839 ask you stuff that you've never been asked before, in 0:05:54.920 --> 0:06:00.920 this spirit of this being a sports podcast. Originally, you're 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:05.720 Pittsburgh guy, born and raised, Pirates, Penguins, Steelers. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.039 Who am I forgetting? 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.240 Uh? Pirates timans do? That's our big gree That's all. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.200 We had three but I went to Syracuse University, so 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.960 I do kind of low key cheer for the sports, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.800 I mean basketball, and Syracuse has been on a downhill 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.479 the last I mean ever since we joined six we 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.120 joined the ACC when the Big East got kind of disbanded, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.920 you know, Georgetown, Yukon and Deleanova, Syracuse, pitt It's never 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.400 been the same for the basketball team. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.920 Even old Big East football used to be sick. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.480 Oh, and they had like West Virginia, Remember they had 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.039 like Steve Slayton, Like old Big East used to be 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:43.480 so toight. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.440 Yeah, West Virginia, Miami, Virginia Tech, Miami. That's some pretty 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.560 good like Thursday night ACC games. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.680 What are your first memories? Is at Pittsburgh? Like sports fan? 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:55.599 Is it the Steelers? 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:55.719 Like? 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.440 What do you like? What is your first memory that 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.240 you can recall? 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.880 First memory was nineteen ninety one ninety two the Penguins 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.720 won back to back Stanley Cups. Mario Lemieux, Yamer Yager 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.680 lived in our little community. He would he would go 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.040 to his house during Halloween and he would hand like 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.720 in Pittsburgh, so the local players have like a candy bar, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.280 like it was like their local thing. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.600 So what was it? Though, was it like a s A. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.920 It was a yamer yogurt, peanut butter hockey fuck like circular. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.720 That sounds kind of good. Actually, it was honestly legit, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.960 and he would hand them out from his own home 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.240 because he lived in like in the community, so people 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.840 would trick or treat at his house and he'd hand 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.480 out his own candy bar to the kids. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.360 Wait, got is that cocky as shit or is that 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:43.960 like legit? 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.000 Well, he's he's a check and he's got a personality, 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.080 so he kind of got away with being like an 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.280 ego like Alpha. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:52.720 Yeah. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.920 My first memory really of that was ninety ninety one 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.840 Penguins back to back. However, I do want to flag 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.480 I was born in Chicago, Illinois, and we lived there 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.880 when I was very young. My first game ever was 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:10.200 a Chicago Cubs game at Wrigley It was it was 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.680 a day game because when I went to the Wrigley Field, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.240 they did not have lights for night games. It was 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.320 only daytime games at regularly up until like the late nineties. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.720 Do you know that there was also an ordnance in 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.840 Chicago that said that they you can't make loud noise 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.280 after whatever pm. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:28.560 It was like seven or eight pm. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.040 So that's why the Cubs like a if you watch 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.080 mon TeV they're always playing there during the day because 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.480 at Wrigley they've been playing day games for so long 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.200 due to like not having lights and like these weird 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.320 Chicago ordinances that they like never. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.600 Got rid of. Well, like Wrigley is they like literally 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.040 in a neighborhood. It's like you're watching you know, it's 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.240 like north of Chicago, but it's almost like it feels 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.040 like you're in someone's backyard and then all of a sudden, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:51.239 here's a baseball stadium. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.600 But guys, don't you kind of prefer like a great 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.079 like seventy five eighty degree day with a slight breeze 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.120 rather than a night game, Like think about it. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.360 Baseball baseball day game is yeah, epic. I would say 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.600 a playoff night game it's pretty cool too where it's 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.040 at like an October night game. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.880 Playoffs, you're kind of bundled up a little bit. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.679 Oh yeah, I like that. Oh yeah, Carl. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.719 What did you to Syracuse? Like, I know Syracuse is 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.920 a good journalism school, and I know. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.560 Kind of was good right behind me there it is 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:30.880 my credentials, I my my guidance counselor, uh sophomore year 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.240 of high school. I did like the morning announcements. I 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.920 love holding microphones. I did the sports stuff even though 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.800 I played. I love like ESPN and Sports Center. I 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.000 mean kind of like you guys too. I thought of 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.960 I wanted to go to journalism school. It's originally my idea, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.080 and my guidance counselor wrote down like four different schools. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.839 She's like Syracuse, n y U, USC, and. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.080 The University Missouri. Probably from being honest, Missouri it's the 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:57.960 number one journalism school in the country. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.480 So yeah, there was a few schools and I my 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.000 uncle had actually had some friends had gone to Syracuse 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.560 and something about the basketball team, the big sports, the 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.480 big school. I was really excited about trying to go there. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.600 So I put all my eggs into the Syracuse basket 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.080 from like junior year. That's why I knew I wanted 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.920 to go there because in school the education program. But 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.880 that's how I got to Syracuse. So I was recruit. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.360 I was a really good volleyball player. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.080 I was all was volleyball. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.120 Yeah, I was first team All Pennsylvania my senior year. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.080 I was probably the best center in I mean in 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.960 the country. I was probably the top five player in 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.240 the country my senior year. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:38.440 Are you shitting me? 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:44.520 Yeah? Yeah, I'm so spie. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.320 Dude, I know, But like I just I feel like 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.679 being in the Midwest. I think when we were growing 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.040 up volleyball. All the tall guys they went to basketball, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.680 but there were so many basketball players that I was like, dude, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.400 you'd be a badass volleyball player. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.200 And the fact that you played. Did you ever play sand? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.200 Oh? Absolutely? We had a sand court in our like 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.199 in our town, even though we lived in Pittsburgh, we 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.120 had like this cool sand court. In the summer. We 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.360 all would like a cup. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.800 D I had no idea that like makes me just 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.400 love you even more? What the heck? 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.560 That is so fun? This is how it came to be. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.320 I loved baseball. I loved My brother was an amazing 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.680 baseball player. He you know, was world class baseball player. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.559 People knew he was a great athlete. So I always 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.640 wanted to be like my brother. Yeah, And when I 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.280 got to high school, I was on the freshman baseball team. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.000 I wasn't great, but I just wanted to play. And 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.199 then sophomore year, I tried out for the varsity baseball 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.280 team got cut. I didn't even make the JD team, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.080 So I like went home crying, essentially when I got cut. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.560 What am I gonna do now with all this free time? 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.760 And one of my friends said to me, shout out 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.520 to Ryan Murray. He was like, bro, if you want 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.840 to dunk a basketball, try out for the volleyball team. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.960 And it was kind of like all these basketball players 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.480 that weren't playing the spring sport went over to the 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.480 basketball team. And my sophomore year, or sorry, volleyball team. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.360 My sophomore year, we had two of our best basketball 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:10.640 players on the but I just caught the bug and 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.679 it was incredibly technical, very competitive. I love the athleticism 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.320 of the jumping and the blocking. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.360 Dude, wait, the jumping that men volleyball players credit this 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.080 damn world. Like, I don't think people to the credit 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.520 dude basketball players is dunking, But I'm like, no, you 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.040 need to watch vollyball players jump. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.080 It is insane. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.440 They were crazy. So, yeah, I caught the bug my 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.199 sophomore year of high school with volleyball. I wasn't great 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.240 by sophomore year, but by junior year, yes, I actually 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.440 started playing. Like there's a Junior Olympics of community. I 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.319 started playing volleyball at Junior Olympics and my junior year 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.319 I was really really good. With my senior year, I 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.520 mean I was definitely one of the best players in 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:51.880 the state. Wow. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.160 But I. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.920 Well, it's funny because was setting the right side like 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.680 the center. Actually the right side blocker and the left 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.640 side hitter is the strong hitter. So technically you want 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:07.800 your probably your smartest player and your best blocker to 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.880 be on your right side. I was a good blocker, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.839 but I was super smart. Yeah, so I played. Also, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.160 we did a six to two, so I would set 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.679 back row and then get front right. So I had 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.720 a good arm and a good good swing. But yeah, 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.440 I was gonna say. Though I graduated from Syracuse, I 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.800 was recruited by you know, Penn State, Saint Francis, like 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.520 Ohio State Ball. I actually went to Ball State to 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:38.160 look good old Indiana, but I wanted a large university 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.160 experience and I wasn't going to get much scholarship money 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.000 from those schools. Yeah, and I don't think my dad 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.760 said this, but I heard this from someone. They said, Carl, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.760 if you tear your acl day one of being at 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.319 ball State or Ohio State. Do you still want to 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.240 go there? Yeah? I mean the answer the answer is not. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.280 I wanted to go. I wanted to go to where 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.880 the education was the best and the program for furthering 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.920 my career after college made the most sense. But I 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.400 got to Syracuse and I did play on the club 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.920 men's volleyball team, and my freshman year I was an 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.920 All American as an actually outside hitter, not. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.840 A center, right side or left. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.640 I was a left side. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.480 You've been so humble about that because I knew you 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.680 played volleyball, but you have never dropped the accolades until 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:24.160 just now. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:24.680 No. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.640 I was legit, very legit. Yeah, we got to find eight, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.440 but nope, you'll get a kick out of there. So 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.680 this is sophomore year at Syracuse. There was a gym 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.080 on campus where all, like the football players would come 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.000 and play pick up. The lacrosse team played pick up. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.240 I was just the regular guys, but we had like 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.120 a good crew of basketball players and I was playing 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.960 pick up. I mean I could dunk. I was bawling 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:46.960 like I was a good player. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:47.480 Yep. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.560 One of the assistant coaches from the men's basketball team 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.400 was there watching and pulled me aside. He said, hey, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.440 you want to try out? I said absolutely if I 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:57.800 went over to the try out like a week or 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.200 two later, and Jim bay Him was there. Yeah, the 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:01.720 old deal. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:02.520 Yeah. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.720 I didn't make the team I got. I got an 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.280 email about a week later, Hey Carl, I'm the head 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.000 coach of the women's basketball team. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.200 Oh you want to know where this is going? 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:17.440 Yeah? Did you do it? Coach coach Quentin Richardson was like, Yo, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.400 we're doing this whole men's practice squad, kind of like 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.000 what Yukon was doing. We wanted our. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:24.960 Best supposed to do that. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.400 I think, well everyone does it now, but I don't know. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:28.680 Back in the day, it might have been like a 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:29.520 newer thing. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:29.920 I don't know. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.320 I think it was newer. I was one of the 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.040 first ones at Syracuse to kind of do this. But 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.400 I went into the meeting and it was like, you 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.680 get a gatorade, put your name on it, you get 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.480 a pair of shoes to all the kids show up 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.560 to this thing. And my favorite story, I'll tell you, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.840 my favorite story was Carrie Lambier. I hadn't talked about 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.000 a long time. Carry Lambier, Bill Lambier's daughter, daughter. She 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.680 was one of our power formers at the time. She's big, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.440 she was a beast, and she was she was good. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.600 And obviously I had the NBA pedigree. But I remember 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.560 one of the assistant coaches going to me, He's like, Carl, 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.080 go as hard as you fucking can't do it. And 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.760 I could still like dunk this. So but the women's 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.880 ball was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.400 to like using that a little bit. Yeah, but I 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.400 remember going fucking toe to toe and the paint and 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.400 she would kick my fucking ass. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.920 Dude. Really, they weren't allowed. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.280 We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed to dunk. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.440 You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.160 And like it was. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.360 It's so funny though, because it didn't take you a 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.760 second to learn how to like play against the girls. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.600 Absolutely, I mean I was. I obviously I was excited 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.760 about the opportunity because I knew how fundamental and skilled. Yeah, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.200 but what I didn't clock was the toughness and like 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.880 the physicality of the women. I just assumed it would 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.120 be a little less physical. It was actually more physical. 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.240 So ever realized everyone says that everyone because I heard 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.800 that too. You just have to because when guys are 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.600 so much more athletic, Like I don't care what anyone 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.480 says that, yes, there's a lot of athletic females, but 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.560 guys are just built different, and so we, I feel like, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.480 have to be more physical. And so when our practice 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.160 players come in, they're like like, shit, we got the 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.080 fucking shit beat out of us today. We're like, no, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.080 we have to like to keep up with you guys, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.639 Like there's no way that you you can't. So I 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.880 just think it's funny too though, because our practice players 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:15.280 is like the first. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.680 Ones, like you know, you're playing, so sometimes. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.880 You're gonna like hit someone in the boo where we're 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.520 gonna hit you guys, like in the thing someone if 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.520 you're posting. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.280 Some guy up down low and he's. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:28.360 Just I was also like trying to like like get 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.200 some like leasuarage and I'm like putting my head in 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:31.120 her tist like. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:35.520 I love it. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.000 But I will say that the no dunking policy is 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.760 the real thing, because we had like I got frustrated 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.240 at one point and it was like kind of backing 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.480 down and I did like a pump fake and like 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.240 drop step and I can like to like step and 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.120 dunk and I did it, and the coach goes, don't 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.400