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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, it's all about the

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Speaker 1: pass catchers, specifically the wide receivers. Two brand new editions

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Speaker 1: plus year two for DeAndre Hopkins. Also some very big

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Speaker 1: years ahead for Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella and Keishawn Johnson.

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Speaker 1: First though, the latest on Larry Fitzgerald, the broadcaster. That's right,

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Speaker 1: you heard correctly. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode four thirty

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Speaker 1: seven and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: Murray rolls to the right throws near sight of Fritz

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Speaker 1: Bob Pitt. He's into the endzone for the touchdown. Here's

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Speaker 1: Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. Fitz has kept a low

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Speaker 1: profile since the season ended. Would you agree, I mean

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Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's kind of been out there, He's

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Speaker 1: about golf and golf podcasts. That's the only time we've

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Speaker 1: actually heard from mister Larry Fitzgerald. Well, it's not like

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Speaker 1: he went in the mountains that we haven't seen him,

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Speaker 1: and he's been around. It's just he hasn't made a decision, true,

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Speaker 1: and but he is a showing up on these golf podcasts. Well,

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Speaker 1: now Fitz is going full blown golf commentator. Turner Sports

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Speaker 1: announced that fitz will be part of the broadcast team

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Speaker 1: for the match which we've all seen Phil Mickelson and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady up against Bryson, D Sjambo and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Charles Barkley is also going to be a part of

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Speaker 1: the broadcast team. So once again we wonder, is this

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Speaker 1: the opportunity that fitz has been waiting for Next Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: July sixth, that we get an announcement from one Larry Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: or as he's been consistent all season or off season long,

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Speaker 1: just talking golf and what did Cleff tell us at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season. I think we get to

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Speaker 1: this point, he's going to take some time. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: long time. As we are sitting here on July first

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Speaker 1: training camp is now less than a month away, and

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Speaker 1: we still don't know about one Larry Fitzgerald. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's going to be in Detroit and one of his sponsors,

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Speaker 1: I believe that's the reason why. And then he's accepted

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Speaker 1: an invitation to Lake Tahoe, so you know, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: they'll be in Detroit and then they'll have to fly

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Speaker 1: to Tahoe. That tournament officially starts on the sixth, but

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Speaker 1: it ends on the eleventh, and Carson Palmer's scheduled to

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Speaker 1: be there. The list is online, so I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get any announcement. And we've said this a

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Speaker 1: we won't get any announcement. Just meet connecting dots. He

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Speaker 1: will trump the Phoenix Suns. Golf and Phoenix Suns is

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Speaker 1: what is occupying Larry Fitzgerald's time right now. And props

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Speaker 1: to the Phoenix Suns, by the way, for advancing for

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Speaker 1: just the third time in franchise history to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: A lot of cardinal players online, Kyler Murray, JJ Watte,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins all sending their props Chase Edmonds

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Speaker 1: as well, the Arizona Cardinals congratulating, and of course this

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Speaker 1: is something that we've talked about throughout this entire run,

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Speaker 1: the synergy between all these professional teams and the athletes

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Speaker 1: So I do think you're correct. As long as the

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Speaker 1: Suns are alive, there will be no announce from Larry Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 1: And there is a belief that maybe we don't get

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Speaker 1: Though that it's going to be a little bit hard,

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Speaker 1: all three. All three. Yes, he was there in seventy

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Speaker 1: that is the Larry Fitzgerald portion of this wide receiver broadcasts.

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, I think, at least

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Speaker 1: look at what DeAndre Hopkins did literally heading shoulders above

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Speaker 1: that Roy obviously was able to see when he was

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Speaker 1: working them out. Six foot four is what aj Green

430
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Speaker 1: has listed it. And I get it. You know, he's

431
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Speaker 1: in his early thirties and he'll actually turn I believe

432
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Speaker 1: it's thirty three at the end of this month, and

433
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: that's something not to be concerned with. He did play

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Speaker 1: all sixteen games last season. But much like all the

435
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Speaker 1: other players that the Cardinals I've signed this offseason in

436
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: their early thirties, there's been an injury history a pass

437
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Speaker 1: in which you've missed a number of games. So, but

438
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Speaker 1: you've always talked about you're playing on grass, you're playing

439
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: in hot weather, which is good for the joints, and

440
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: then you're practicing indoors, all that plays a factor and

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Speaker 1: how you feel and how you perform on Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: I do think if AJ Green can rediscover himself a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We talked about it with all these other

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Speaker 1: players and AJ shoot me at JJ Watt that and

445
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe you have something that you

446
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Speaker 1: didn't expect. And to hear the projection of you know what,

447
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: ninety plus targets for AJ Green, I think that does

448
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Speaker 1: speak not only to what Green is capable of, but

449
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Speaker 1: also speak to what people expect this offense to be

450
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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and personality wise, I mean I haven't

451
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Speaker 1: met Hop just because we haven't been in the locker room.

452
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Speaker 1: We've talked to him on zoom calls and everything else.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Green's going to be demanding the

454
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Speaker 1: ball and not that Hop is. But you know, when

455
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Speaker 1: you give a guy that kind of extension, he's going

456
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Speaker 1: to get his targets. To me, Green is not a

457
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Speaker 1: selfish guy. According to Roy, he said he's a really

458
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Speaker 1: good person off the field and if he can help

459
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Speaker 1: some of the younger guys, he will. And we heard

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray talk about AJ Green quotes I know a

461
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: lot of people are asleep on him and quotes, and

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Speaker 1: Murray went on to say that he expected a big

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Speaker 1: year out of AJ Green. So I do think that

464
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Speaker 1: there is confidence and obviously his ability to maintain what

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Speaker 1: he has done throughout his career and maybe even do

466
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Speaker 1: a little bit better as far as being more efficient,

467
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Speaker 1: because there's not going to be a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: on him as that number two wide receivere on the

469
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Speaker 1: other side, because if you're a safety, you've got to

470
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Speaker 1: make a choice. Is it Dhat or is it AJ Green?

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Speaker 1: Or do I have to slide towards the middle because

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Speaker 1: I'm royed about a Kirk or a Rondel Moore or

473
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Speaker 1: maybe chase Edmonds out of the backfield. All of those

474
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: play a factor here. And we did see a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of safety help over the top, especially on Hopkins's side.

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Speaker 1: I wonder just how much that will happen this year. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know Christian Kirk, you know, he's got to chip

478
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Speaker 1: on his shoulder. I mean, he hears the doubters, but

479
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: he's got to go out there and play and show

480
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Speaker 1: what he's worth. He is a free agent. But you know,

481
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: these receivers also have to block because if they're going

482
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Speaker 1: to run the football, they get to be at a block.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got green and hop on opposite sides

484
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Speaker 1: and listen, Christian Kirk, we know what he can do.

485
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Speaker 1: So he just needs to stay healthy. And you know,

486
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Speaker 1: obviously uses as motivation. But if you have Rondell More

487
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Speaker 1: on the field and he's in the slot and you

488
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: can do so many different things, that should open up

489
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Speaker 1: things on the outside. The reason why I mentioned More

490
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Speaker 1: is just because of his speed and how fluid he

491
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Speaker 1: can be in the open field. And he's one guy

492
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Speaker 1: that should get guards after catch. And I think he's

493
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Speaker 1: going to get his feet wet and get more comfortable

494
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Speaker 1: and he's returning kicks or punts and I anticipate he'll

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Speaker 1: be the guy and we'll see who the backups are. Well.

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Speaker 1: A notes on Rondell More again as we talk about

497
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: just some of the new pieces in that wide receiver's room.

498
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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland, the NFL Networks analytics expert, predicted More to

499
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Speaker 1: be the seventh most productive rookie wide receiver. But it's

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Speaker 1: what she wrote that you just referenced. Quote. More maintained

501
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: his speed after contact on inside routes at the highest

502
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Speaker 1: rates of any receiver in the FBS end of sentence,

503
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Speaker 1: and that means that you're catching the ball, you make

504
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: that first tackler miss and you're still going full speed.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't that hit doesn't slow you down, You allude

506
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Speaker 1: a tackle and then all of a sudden you're off

507
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Speaker 1: to the races. Well, you're already at full speed. So

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Speaker 1: if that is possible this season more times than not

509
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Speaker 1: in open space where the open is available, because Hopkins

510
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Speaker 1: is occupying time on one side and Green on the other,

511
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Speaker 1: then perhaps we do see aj Green or excuse me,

512
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Speaker 1: rondel Moore. Maybe not with a lot of numbers, but

513
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Speaker 1: when he is out there, he is very productive and

514
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Speaker 1: he is something or someone that defenders and defenses are

515
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Speaker 1: gonna have to pay attention to. Well, and we got

516
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Speaker 1: a chance to see him. He whears number eighty five.

517
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Speaker 1: He's five to seven, but he's got a lower thick

518
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: torso so it's gonna be hard if you're one of

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: those linebackers to try to tackle him up top. And

520
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: then you get some of those dbs that obviously will

521
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: try to tackle him with his legs, but he has

522
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Speaker 1: the ability to break some of those tackles. Again, five

523
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Speaker 1: to seven. But he's built. I mean his lower torso

524
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: is thick and his calfs are thick, and that's where

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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: I think the explosion comes from. He fills out that uniform,

526
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: the second round draft pick out of Purdue. Twenty career games,

527
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: averaged almost nine catches and ninety six yards a game

528
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Speaker 1: at Purdue. And now you do have an option at

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Speaker 1: that slot corner or if you're gonna run four wide,

530
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Speaker 1: and I know you've been big proponent of talking about

531
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Speaker 1: how many snaps we'll see with four wide receivers out

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Speaker 1: on the field with either More on one side and

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Speaker 1: Kirk on the other. As far as the slot receivers

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Speaker 1: are concerned, yeah, I still think. You know, eleven personnel

535
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: is three wide, one tight, one back. I think that's

536
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: that's almost seventy percent of the league. You know some

537
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Speaker 1: teams will use double tight ends. I anticipate pat the Patriots,

538
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and then twelve personnel they running then about thirty percent,

539
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: and then ten Perconel about twenty two percent. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's an option. I know Kingsbury's going to

541
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: be licking his chops when you when we get a

542
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Speaker 1: chance to walk by his office. He's always watching film,

543
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's trying to figure out, Okay, we

544
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: want to be a physical team at the point of attack.

545
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: We want to run the ball to set up the

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00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: play action. But if they could have no problem going

547
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Speaker 1: for wide, if you're trying to get into field goal

548
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Speaker 1: range at the first half, or you feel like they

549
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: don't have enough corners to cover you, but I don't

550
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: want it to be the base offense. Well, Cardinals last

551
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: year ran ten personnel twenty percent of the time according

552
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Speaker 1: to Next Gen Stats. That was number one by far.

553
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Speaker 1: The next closest the Buffalo Bills at just over fourteen percent.

554
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Speaker 1: But why people believe that that number might be the

555
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: same or maybe even a little higher, is because of

556
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Speaker 1: the addition of an Aj Green and Rondell More that

557
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: you have that talents in that wide receiver room to

558
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: put four receivers out there. Not because it's the offense

559
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: that you know and love if your head coach Cliff Kingsbury.

560
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Is because you have the guys on the football field

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Speaker 1: to execute what you want to do. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he had that in year one and year two. Well,

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Speaker 1: the one thing we learned from the first year and

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Speaker 1: give Cliff credit because he made some adjustments after the

565
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Speaker 1: first month of the season. Is you have when you

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Speaker 1: go four wide, usually Murray's in the gun and you

567
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Speaker 1: may have a running back next to him because you

568
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: got to protect it's protecting the edges. And when you

569
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Speaker 1: go back to maybe mid season when he maybe maybe

570
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Speaker 1: towards the third part of the season, when they were

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Speaker 1: running that mush rush, y're keeping him in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: So my only concern is if you want to go

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Speaker 1: four wide and we know Kyler can get rid of

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Speaker 1: the ball quick, we know that Rondel Moore can take

575
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: it off to the races again, I think it's there's

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Speaker 1: a time and a place for it. I just don't

577
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Speaker 1: want to become their number one offense, and I don't

578
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Speaker 1: think it will be. Actually, you'd want them to rely

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Speaker 1: on it to move the ball up and down field,

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00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: because you do have to have some semblance of a

581
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Speaker 1: run game to keep that defense on it. Well, you

582
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: got to protect Kyler Murray. Again, you can run out

583
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Speaker 1: of that. You know, if you had a running back

584
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Speaker 1: back there like a Chase Emmons where everyone thinks they're

585
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: gonna throw because it's four wide, goes right up the middle.

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Speaker 1: We know how effective he's been when he runs up

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Speaker 1: the middle. I mean, we're talking three or four touchdowns

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Speaker 1: are over twenty yards, and I want to want most

589
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Speaker 1: let's get into the three receivers that I think a

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00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: spotlight is going to be on. We've kind of touched

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Speaker 1: a little bit on Christian Kirk, But when you look

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Speaker 1: at Kirk, Isabella and Johnson make or Break seasons? Is

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Speaker 1: that two over the top? Is that two dramatic to

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Speaker 1: say about those three with respects to their futures with

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Let's start off with Keyshawn Johnson. To me,

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Speaker 1: I think he's number five. They could keep six, likely

609
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: dressed five on game day because you know usually that third, fourth,

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Speaker 1: fifth wide receivers playing on special teams. So to me,

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Speaker 1: he'd be your backup when it comes to AJ Green,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully AJ Green can stay healthy. So I think

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Speaker 1: right now, I think on paper, I think he has

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Speaker 1: the upper Andy Isabella. I don't know if he's going

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Speaker 1: to make the roster. I mean he could. He's practice

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Speaker 1: squad eligible. I guess everyone is, but I think he's

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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. Now he has a second

618
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: round pick. That means you're something sort of waiver wire,

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Speaker 1: and there's only you know, does he go somewhere else,

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: change of scenery. I don't know, but right now I

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Speaker 1: would say he's number six. But then you know guys

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00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: like AJ Richardson and Joejoe Ward they've been around for

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Speaker 1: a while and Jojo awards more of a speed guy.

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Speaker 1: He's undersize AJ Richardson not comparing, but he's got a

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00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: body like an Quon Bolden. So and again you can

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Speaker 1: side these guys. But I think Keyshawn Johnson right now

627
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: because of his size and he's got to learn to

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Speaker 1: come back and get the football. And I think Sean

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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Jefferson well obviously helped there. I think he would be

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Speaker 1: your fifth receiver. As of today, no one has said anything,

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Speaker 1: but it's the actions that we have seen that would

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00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: lead us to believe that Andy Isabella may or may

633
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: not be on this team this season, even though he's

634
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Speaker 1: entering year three. One was how last season ended. He

635
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: was inactive for three of the last four games, and

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Speaker 1: the only reason he played that one game was because

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald was out with COVID nineteen and Christian Kirk

638
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: missed a game as well. And then the drafting of

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Speaker 1: rondel Moore, which let's go back to twenty nineteen. We

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Speaker 1: heard some of the same things about Andy Isabella as

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Speaker 1: we did about rondel Moore. Same size, same talent, same

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00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: skill level. The one differences. I think rondel Moore is

643
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: built a little bit more, He's a little bit stronger

644
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: as far as Kenny withstand some of the rigors of

645
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: the NFL, which you noted earlier in today's show. But

646
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: I do think that those two things. The end of

647
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: last season when you're not active, and then they draft

648
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: someone that plays your position, and if you line them up,

649
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: they're pretty similar as far as size and numbers of

650
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: what they did at their respective schools. All of a sudden,

651
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: if you're Andy Isabella, you gotta be looking in the

652
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: mirror saying, I need to do something, and I need

653
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: to do something fast. Well. I also think we got

654
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: to give Sean Jefferson some time with him because he's

655
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: going to play in the preseason. You know whether it's

656
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: a second or third game. I mean, cli, we don't

657
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: know how much a starter is gonna play. They're not

658
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: hiding anything this year. But listen, when I watched Ron

659
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Delmore catch the ball, it's it's night and day for

660
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Randy Isabella. First of all, Isabella used to catch the

661
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: ball with his chest. Last year, David Ry told us

662
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: he was doing a much better job locating the ball,

663
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: catching with his hands, and bringing in route running. It's

664
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: not even close. And again this is all in shorts

665
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and helmets. Um they're not have they don't have pads on.

666
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, the reason why Isabella was drafted a high

667
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: is because of his speed. And then they try to

668
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: find a role for him on special teams and if

669
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe if they had better blocking, because if it's all

670
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: he needed to do was hit hit a hole. We've

671
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: seen the speed on some of the deep balls, but

672
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta have more than just you know,

673
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: one trick pony. If they can't trust you to catch

674
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: the ball, they're not going to throw it to you.

675
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's the key right there, as far as catching

676
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: the ball, whether that's a pass or whether that's a

677
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: punch or a kickoff, because we saw too many times

678
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: that ball hitting the chest first, it's got to hit

679
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the hands. It can never get to the chess until

680
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: you secure the football. And too many times, not that

681
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: it was bouncing off of him, but he just didn't

682
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: look comfortable, didn't look confident at times. And neither he

683
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: or Johnson have early flashed on a consistent basis. And

684
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: I remember that twenty nineteen draft class talking about Isabella A,

685
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Kim Butler, and Keyshawn Johnson. You know three wide receivers

686
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: that you hope that you know, one maybe two would

687
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: be able to make it. And Butther was only able

688
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: to make it past one season before he was released

689
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: and we never really even saw him because he spent

690
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: that first year on injured reserve. So there was a

691
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: lot to like about those three draft picks, we just

692
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: never saw it on the football field. And going back

693
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: to draft night, our draft weekend, I mean, one of

694
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the things that Steve Kim said about Keishaw Johnson one

695
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: of the better route runners, and then we got a

696
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: chance to see that. I think in the first month

697
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: of the season, he was getting four or five catches

698
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: a game, but all of a sudden it tailed down

699
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: because he wasn't coming back for the ball. He was

700
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: trying to catch it with his chest. In fairness to

701
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: these receivers, if somebody's draped on you, yeah you got

702
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: a body catch it. But the idea is to come

703
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: back for the ball, catch it in your hands and

704
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: try to turn up field. And that's something I think

705
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: we'll see from aj Green, just based on experience. So

706
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to give up on Keyshan, but we

707
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: know it's a numbers game. But I think right now

708
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: they're kind of looking at if if something happens, aj

709
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Green not again, We'll see what kind of camp he has.

710
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: We'll see, you know, how he's taken adjusting to the

711
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: new coach and Sean Jefferson. So but I think if

712
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: something happens to Green guests, there is going to be

713
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of drop off. But at least he's

714
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: been in the offense for a couple of years. The

715
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: third receiver Christian Kirk here, and this is the final

716
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: year of his rookie contracts. So as he said and

717
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: told to Kyloogar and an article on easy Cardinals dot

718
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: com quote, I feel like there is a lot I

719
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: want to prove to myself and there is a lot

720
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: I want to prove to the league end quotes. We've

721
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: seen Christian Kirk be very very good at times last year.

722
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: His numbers overall had the second most targets, second most

723
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: receiving yards. But when you look at what Hopkins was

724
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: able to do as far as targets and yards, that

725
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: was way too much of a gap for me, way

726
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: too lopsided between the number one wide receiver and number

727
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: two wide receiver. And credit to Kyle as well on

728
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: this mark because he actually went and looked it up.

729
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: But Hopkins had seven hundred and eighty six more receiving

730
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: yards than Kirk. That was the widest gap between a

731
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver and a number two wide receiver

732
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: in the league. You're talking about almost eight hundred yards

733
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: and that's you know, again, Hopkins is going to get

734
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: his numbers. It just it's just got to be a

735
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: little bit more balanced to where Kylin Murray can only well,

736
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to just leak at one side of

737
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: the field or one guy because there was that connection,

738
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: that chemistry between Murray and d hop It's got to

739
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: be spread out a little bit more. And I think,

740
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, even if they go eleven personnel, which is

741
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: their heavy personnel, they have a log jam. It seems

742
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: like a slot receiver and regardless of what happens with Larry,

743
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: so they could rotate Kirk and Rondell more. But when

744
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: you want to go for wide, those two, as you

745
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: pointed out when correctly is they'll be in the slot

746
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: and then aj Green will be on the outside. So

747
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find ways. But you got to

748
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: make a decision down in distance who who's the slot corner,

749
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: who are the outside corners, because I think you would

750
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: rotate him and Kirk and then ride the hot hand.

751
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: And we know on paper just what we saw, and

752
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: we watched film at least highlights at Purdue in twenty eighteen.

753
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: He's a little bit more fluid in the open field.

754
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: On Christian Kirk, I know, you know he was able

755
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: to play some outside receiver as well, But you're pretty

756
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: confident or dead set that he, if he's going to

757
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: be successful in this league, even if it's a number

758
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: two wide receiver, that he's more successful as a slot

759
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: receiver than an outside receiver. Correct, Yeah, no doubt, And

760
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: again you can move him around, but I just think

761
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of size, to me, you

762
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: can get open and the little slant plass slant pass

763
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: or a little bit of quick out. He's capable of

764
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: doing that. We've seen him take the top off the defense,

765
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: but they really didn't have another receiver to help compliment him.

766
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: On the other side. It's the consistency that I think

767
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: we're waiting to see out of Christian Kirk because you

768
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: go back to last year and he had a six

769
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: or he had a five game stretch weeks four through

770
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: nine in which he had all six of his touchdowns

771
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and had twenty catches for three hundred and forty three yards.

772
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: That was over five games. The other nine games, he

773
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: had a total of twenty eight catches for two hundred

774
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: and seventy eight yards, and seven of those catches and

775
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: seventy six of those yards came in Week sixteen against

776
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. So a little bit of a

777
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: roller coaster up and down for Christian Kirk. There's no

778
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: question he has the talent. It's making sure that we

779
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: see it's on a weekly basis. And I don't think

780
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: there were times where he disappeared a little bit. Now

781
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: was that him, was that the offense, was that opposing defenses?

782
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I just would like to see Christian Kirk now again.

783
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen now because instead of

784
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: being that second receiver, you might be that third receiver

785
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: with aj Green in the mix. But just a little

786
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: bit when we're looking at the numbers each and every week,

787
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, it's not four targets for

788
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: one catch for ten yards. There's a little bit more

789
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: involvements of Christian Kirk in this offense. Yeah, I'm going

790
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: back to Mike Clay's thing, and he's got him as

791
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: the third targeted wide receiver, very similar to numbers of

792
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore or So, like I said, I'm curious to

793
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: see if they go three wide, who's getting the majority

794
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: of the reps because I think both are capable. Clearly,

795
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Kirk's been in the system, Kyler Murray does trust him.

796
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's you know, looks at Rondel Moore and he

797
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: knows he's a weapon. So it's a good dilemma to have.

798
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: But you know, after the top four there is a

799
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: drop off. Yeah, and certainly Christian Kirk is aware of

800
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: his situation, and recently on Good Morning Football was talking

801
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: about not only his situation, which he addressed with Kylotguard.

802
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: We talked about again. That article is up on asy

803
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com, but Kirk with some interesting comments with

804
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: respects to how not just the wide receivers, but the

805
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: entire team is looking at twenty twenty one. Quote. I

806
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: think it's now or never for us, and that's the

807
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: attitude in the locker room. End quote. Now that quote,

808
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: that sound bite has been picked up and you're seeing

809
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: it on different websites. But I'll argue this, MJ, what team,

810
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: what player doesn't think that every single year you go

811
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: into a new season, even if you're talking about the

812
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean, you're if you're a player, you're

813
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: not thinking, oh, well, this is a two year process.

814
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: This is a three year process. I'm sorry, I don't

815
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: have that mindset, even if I am a rookie and

816
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the bigger picture. Fans and media and

817
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: coaches in front office. Yeah, you can take a step back,

818
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: but it is now we're never for I think every player,

819
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: every team, you have to think. That's and I think

820
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: we're kind of parsing words when we just take that

821
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: quote and say, you know, you put that on the

822
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: bulletin board and oh, it's all in for the Arizona Cardinals.

823
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: That's always has what it has to be. The thing is, though,

824
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: I think based on five wins, eight wins, and then

825
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: bringing in JJ Watt, making the trade for Rodney Hudson,

826
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: bringing in AJ Green, you know, bringing in Malcolm Butler,

827
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: who's got credibility, I think they feel something. They feel

828
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: the chemistry and the energies. I mean, I trust him,

829
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: he's in the locker room. But say they're going all in,

830
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: that's not true. And you know, obviously it's going to

831
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: come down to Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury this year.

832
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we know Kyler has made strides and Cliff

833
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I thought he made strides last year, but you know,

834
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: he's got to show that he's an innovative play caller

835
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: and stick to what works and don't try to get cute.

836
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: And I think he knows all that stuff. But I

837
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: think what they did in the off season gives them

838
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: optimism now. And Jacksonville's a little bit different because they

839
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: got a new head coach. He's on a six year deal,

840
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: you got a rookie quarterback, and they got a ton

841
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: of a cap space, but you know how many games

842
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: they gonna win. But for the most part, I think

843
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals did this off season gave this team

844
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: a lift in the locker room and a lot of optimisms, because,

845
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: let's be honest, this team showed the front office put

846
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: together a ten win team last year and they failed.

847
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: They went eight and eight. So I think that's a

848
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: good sign that that's what they're thinking, because they go

849
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: to work with these guys every single day during the

850
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: off season and the season, and they must feel like

851
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: that the moves they made can put them in conversation

852
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: who compete in the NFC West. More from Kirk on

853
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Good Morning Football. Quote, we finally feel like we have

854
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: all the pieces to put it together and really make

855
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: a push for the playoffs and for a championship. I

856
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 1: know guys in the locker room aren't expecting anything less

857
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: than that. We know what opportunity we have at hand,

858
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: and we know we have to be better. But since

859
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: coach Kingsbury has gotten here, we have gotten better every year,

860
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and now is the year. We have a young group

861
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: of core guys that have been through a lot, all

862
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: the ups and downs, and we know the opportunity is here.

863
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: We have to rise to the occasion and quotes a

864
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: lots of expectation. And that's just not us talking, that's

865
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the expectation in that locker room that Hey, for us

866
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: that have been here for three years, we've kind of

867
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: grown up within this offense, this defense with Kingsbury and

868
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph, and all of a sudden, you would hope

869
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: that this is the year that everything kind of gets

870
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: put together, because if it doesn't, there's no telling what

871
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: happens in the offseason in twenty twenty two. Couldn't Gremore,

872
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think they have a good staff.

873
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I really liked the staff and not drinking

874
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the kool aid, don't have coffee or I don't go

875
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: out and with these coaches, but I cover the team

876
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: and I try to get as much feedback as I can.

877
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: So clearly it's on the head coach to get this

878
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: team in the postseason. But ultimately I don't think Vans

879
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: gets enough credit. And a defense should be vastly improved.

880
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: Now it's a matter those guys coming together because you

881
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: are adding some new faces. Offensively, you're adding Hudson, AJ

882
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Green and Rondel Moore for the most part, So the

883
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: offense should hope should be able to carry their water

884
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: early on. But defensively, we know it's going to be

885
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: difficult in that first couple weeks of the season, just

886
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: based on the opponents. Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday

887
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Speaker 1: probab partner of the Arizona Cardinals. One. Other quick notes

888
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: on the wide receivers as far as some of the

889
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: other names, and you brought up a couple as far

890
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: as guys that are back the AJ Richardson, Joe, Joe Award,

891
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Isaac Whitney. All three of those were on the ACT

892
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: squad last season. Richardson actually ended the year on practice

893
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: squad injured reserve. He's six feet tall, Whitney six two,

894
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Ward five nine. There is a reason why those players

895
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: are still here and as far as the development is concerned,

896
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: So keep an eye on richardson Ward and Whitney and

897
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: then some of the newcomers. In addition to an AJ

898
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Green and Rondel Moore, there's Andre Butchelli, Rico Gafford, and

899
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Antoine Wesley. But Shelley spent training camp in twenty twenty

900
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs and Patriots. He had signed with the

901
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: Chiefs as an undrafted rookie free agent. He's five ten.

902
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: Gafford also five ten. He's got eight games over three

903
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: seasons in his career, all with the Raiders. And then

904
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: Wesley six foot four, and I think there's something to

905
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: be said about why he was added late in the offseason.

906
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: While he played for Kingsbury at Texas Tech, was an

907
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: All American in twenty eighteen, has not played in an

908
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: NFL game because there was time spent on the practice

909
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: squad and then a season on injured reserve. And Wesley

910
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: does have the height the six foot four like in

911
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: AJ Green and someone if you're looking for size as

912
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: an outside receiver to potentially be the backup at either

913
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: left side right side. As far as d hop and

914
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: Green our concern, Potentially Wesley could be that surprise if

915
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: he's able to show it in training camp in preseason. Yeah,

916
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: and I think his stiffics competition is going to be

917
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: Keishan Johns. You know, it's interesting. We never talk about

918
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: who's backing up Hopkins. We just go, Okay, he's gonna

919
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: play sixty five stats and Terry you know, I mean

920
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I didn't look at his snap count. I know he

921
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: wasn't on the field all the time, but you're right,

922
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: it's there is There is no one behind the hop

923
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: They'll have a depth chart, yes, and then but I

924
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: think Wesley that's on paper only. Yeah, exactly. I think

925
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: Wesley it will be competing, you know, with with Keishan.

926
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: I think Keishan would have the advantage there. But yeah,

927
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: they'll put out a depth chart and you know, they'll

928
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: list a couple of guys behind him, and usually it's

929
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: guys with size, just because that's the natural the nature

930
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: of that position. It is fascinating because yeah, DeAndre Hopkins,

931
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, he's an every down wide receiver. You don't

932
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: really hear that term, but there are sometimes when you

933
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: do see number ten on the sideline and the first

934
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: reaction is what are you doing? It's like, you know,

935
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: back in the day, let's reference Larry Fitzgerald one last

936
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: time here on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, when

937
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: whenever number eleven was not on the field, the question

938
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: is why is your best player, best skilled player not

939
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: on the football field. And you can say the same

940
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: thing about DeAndre Hopkins. Now, sometimes down in distance, you know,

941
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: if you're a goal line situation or you want a

942
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: heavy package out there, or maybe it's more of a

943
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: run play, then yeah, you pull those outside receivers off

944
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: the field. But yeah, more times than not, it's going

945
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: to be a rare sighting to see d Hoop on

946
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: the sideline. Yeah, and there's times when maybe when they're

947
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: they're up tempo offense and Kyle is trying to throw

948
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: a deep pault to him. There's times when he basically

949
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: points and get somebody checks himself out because I mean

950
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: you're asking him to run back to the huddle and

951
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: then he's running a forty yard you know, go route

952
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: or post pattern. But he doesn't do that a lot though.

953
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: It's just he wants to make sure his legs are fresh,

954
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: whether it's the first, second, third, or fourth quarter. But

955
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: there are times he'll take himself out and you could

956
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: see on the sidelines that are aware of it. He

957
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: doesn't do a lot of times, but there are times

958
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: when he runs these long routes and he's got to

959
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: catch his breath coming back because when they go up tempo,

960
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: it's not like they snap the ball twenty seven seconds,

961
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: but they kind of wait to see that what the

962
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: defense is going to do. But now you're standing there

963
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: versus running again. So Yeah, Normally he plays the majority

964
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: of the game, and I don't know if he gets

965
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: credit enough for how physical he can be because he's

966
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: hard to bring down and I think teams learn that

967
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: after that first month of the season when he was

968
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: breaking those ankle tackles running down the sidelines. Overall, this

969
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver position group has much improved on paper. I'm

970
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: very bullish about what aj Green has the potential to do.

971
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see that as far as what

972
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: might happen because you have d Hoop on the other side,

973
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: and then it's Christian Kirk and Rondel Moore. Those are

974
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: your four wide receivers and everyone else is going to

975
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: be left fighting to be you know, the fifth or sixth, seventh.

976
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, can you play special teams? Because

977
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: if you're active on game day as that fifth or

978
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: six wide receiver, well you're gonna play on special teams.

979
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: So that is kind of the wrinkle in all of

980
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: this because guys might be great receivers, but they're just

981
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: not quite in that top four. So what else can

982
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: you provide for us as a team? And special teams

983
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: is the answer. So that's why sometimes with the running

984
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: back position, Jonathan Ward is active because he can play

985
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: special teams. Do we see someone else now in that

986
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver room that we don't talk a lot about

987
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: become that guy that is always active because yes, they

988
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: can catch the ball, but they're also important on special teams,

989
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: whether that's the return game or on kickoff coverage. Well,

990
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Trench Sheerfield was one of their better gunners

991
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously the Cardinals did not tender him

992
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: and maybe he was promised I think he was that

993
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: he'll get a chance to play wide receiver. So he

994
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: was the fourth or fifth receiver. I don't know if

995
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson can handle that. And if you're Rondel Moore,

996
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: you're more going to be involved. Now he could be

997
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: on the punt team as a gunner, but really kick

998
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: return and punt return and then obviously getting a chance

999
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: to play wide receiver. So it'd be interesting to see

1000
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: who their gunners are. You want to get some fast

1001
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: guys out there that can cover punts down the field,

1002
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: and I think they have plenty of the guys on

1003
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: the roster, and that's where the Marco Wilsons would come

1004
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: in their take gallons if they make. I think Wilson

1005
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: probably has an edge just based on he can play

1006
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: both inside and outside. You want a guy like that

1007
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: on special teams to cover kicks and punts. Twelve receivers

1008
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: on the roster, and there is going to be battles

1009
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: maybe not on the top half, but certainly on that

1010
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: bottom half as far as how many receivers are kept

1011
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man rosters. So it's gonna be

1012
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: fun to see as training camp fast approaches in and

1013
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: of course we didn't have it last year, but preseason

1014
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: games might be the telling. And as far as which

1015
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: of these receivers actually makes the team outside of de

1016
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Hop Green Moore and Christian Kirk. On that note, let's

1017
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Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition Cardinals Cover two presented

1018
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, as we

1019
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: continue our position by a position breakdown leading us to

1020
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: training camp. As always, special thanks to our executive producer

1021
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Jim Almahandro. For Mike Jarecki, I'm Craig Riel Lou We'll

1022
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Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two