WEBVTT - The Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the co pilot seat of this small Cessna

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<v Speaker 1>plane and we're circling the Bolivian Amazon. Beside me, pilot

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<v Speaker 1>sweating because we're looking for a place to land and

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<v Speaker 1>we can't find one. The weather was bad and and

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot was nervous, and it was it was quite exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind me. Is this guy just been a day ago?

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<v Speaker 1>This German accou hunter named Volker Lahman. Bolker looks a

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<v Speaker 1>bit like the German director Werner Herzog. Sounds like him too.

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<v Speaker 1>The more dangerous or tricky the situation dance of the

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<v Speaker 1>kalmar Get. It's two thousand ten, and Folker's letting me

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<v Speaker 1>tag along. If you searches for a holy grail while

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<v Speaker 1>cocao tree that gives us chocolate. Coco's native to the Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's farmed all over the tropics, mostly in Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years before our trip, Focus stumbled upon an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible variety of wild cow in Bolivia and he turned

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<v Speaker 1>it into this mind blowing chocolate. So now there's a

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<v Speaker 1>gold rush for these magic beans, and Volker's hope is

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<v Speaker 1>to stay one step ahead. There's an indigenous group in

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<v Speaker 1>the forest of the Europare. Rumor has it they have

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of wildcata cell So the plan is fly in,

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<v Speaker 1>find a landing strip, take a dugout canoe to the

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<v Speaker 1>Eurokari village, strike a deal below us. The jungle looks otherworldly.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing is steaming, miss rising to form these

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<v Speaker 1>immense thunderheads, and the thunderheads are dropping ropes black rain

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<v Speaker 1>back to the forest. At one point we punched through

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<v Speaker 1>a storm and water comes spitting through the vents of

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<v Speaker 1>the plain. Shoot a glance at the pilot, like what,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just waves me off. It's getting hard to

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<v Speaker 1>tell what to worry about and what not to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>For that, all I can do is counting vulgar because

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<v Speaker 1>he's been navigating the Amazon for twenty years. This part

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<v Speaker 1>of Olivia is all rainforests and grasslands. It's also a

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<v Speaker 1>major cocaine flyaway. The rivers are dotted with these homemade

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<v Speaker 1>landing strips and small planes swoop in, pick up the drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and head for Brazil. Those landing strips are super convenient

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to get into the deepoots quickly, which

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<v Speaker 1>we do, but it's also super dangerous. Hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 1>get shot in the Amazon every year for all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons. Just being an environmental activist is enough, But

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<v Speaker 1>stumbling upon a cocaine lab that's one of the surest

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<v Speaker 1>ways to make it happen. But when you need a

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<v Speaker 1>landing strip, you need a landing strip. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's the rainy season and everything is fly it.

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<v Speaker 1>The rivers have risen like thirty feet, The trees are

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<v Speaker 1>in standing water, the ground is gleaming like a mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>At last, there's a strip near a small cabin on

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<v Speaker 1>the river, but it's really short. The rain swamped part

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<v Speaker 1>of the landing strip, and the landing strip was homemade. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not official landing strip. The pilot swoops down to

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<v Speaker 1>get a closer look, and he doesn't like what he sees,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither do I. He pulls back up and circles

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<v Speaker 1>the area looking for alternatives, but there are no alternatives.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot keeps circling back to that original strip. He's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to psych himself up, and for all I know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're running well on fuel. Get vulcars still sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>like it's another day in the park. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>making me more nervous because I can tell that his

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<v Speaker 1>appetite for risk is a lot higher than mine. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the pilot banks the plane towards that strip. For second,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, this must be another reconnaissance run, because

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would. Oh no, he's going for it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The ground is rising in front of us fast. So

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<v Speaker 1>I grabbed the handle above the door, tucked my head

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<v Speaker 1>and brace and we hit actually hits the wrong word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's super soft thanks to all that spongey ground. So

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<v Speaker 1>we break hard and slammed the stop spraying puddles, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, holy sh it, we made it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed my back and hop out. Vulkers behind me and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, hello Amazon. It's a cathedral. When you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, there's these massive trees that are dripping thick fines.

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<v Speaker 1>There's flocks of actual parrots screeching through the canopy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then from that little cabin up ahead, four guys emerge

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<v Speaker 1>and they're holding rifles. There were like one guy coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the second, and the third and the fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were surrounding us. And I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the pilot and he said, I have to leave

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<v Speaker 1>because of the weather, and you know, nobody said anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he turned around this plane and off he

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<v Speaker 1>off he went, and then I realized, oh, we are

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of some people we don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>was nervous. I am trying not to make any fast

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<v Speaker 1>moves because these guys are twitchy. Everything they say confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>my worst fears. They're watching the place for their boss,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a Columbian man, and we've just landed on his

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<v Speaker 1>private runway without permission. And I've been in the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>for all five minutes, and I'm starting to wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm not really cut out of this cacao anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I can do is look over vulgar and think,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the hell you got this from Kaleidostoe and

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<v Speaker 1>I podcasts. This is Obsessions Wild Chocolate. I'm Rowan Jacobson,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter one, The Hunt. So one thing I should explain

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<v Speaker 1>is that I'm a food writer, but not a normal

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<v Speaker 1>food writer. I don't write cookbooks or restaurant reviews. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing I do is harder to explain. This is

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<v Speaker 1>All Things Considered from NPR News. I'm Melissa Block. Listen

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<v Speaker 1>to how Rowan Jacobson describes a temperamental mollusk. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of think of these as the Sean pen of oysters

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<v Speaker 1>like very intense and memorable, but you wouldn't want have

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<v Speaker 1>him every day. Rowan Jacobson talks about oysters the way

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<v Speaker 1>a lover might recall his favorite conquests. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about the after globe. See what I mean. My

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<v Speaker 1>call is to bring amazing ingredients to life, to use

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<v Speaker 1>intense sensory experience as a wormhole to jump into a

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<v Speaker 1>universe of exotic landscapes, diverse traditions, revelations, and obsessions. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine, I was writing a book about

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<v Speaker 1>the world's best ingredients, and I was working on chapter

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<v Speaker 1>about chocolate. Chocolate, of course, is on anybody's shortlist of

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<v Speaker 1>great ingredients, as it should be. It's our most complex food.

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<v Speaker 1>It has more than six hundred different flavor components. If

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<v Speaker 1>you think of flavor as a kind of language away

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<v Speaker 1>the world communicates to us through our senses, then chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>is like epic poetry. It speaks in these lush, rhythmic

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<v Speaker 1>phrases that sweep over us and sometimes sweep us away

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<v Speaker 1>at good chocolate does. But the stuff you find in

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<v Speaker 1>your typical candy aisle that's more brain fart than epic poem.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just not that much chocolate in your average chocolate bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and the quality is nothing special. Just like great wine

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<v Speaker 1>requires great grapes, epic chocolate requires the very best cacalbeans,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are really hard to find. For decades, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>outside the Amazon was really looking for them. Now that's change.

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<v Speaker 1>A new wave of extreme chocolate makers is seeking out

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<v Speaker 1>the best of the best and using it to make

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<v Speaker 1>the most intensely delicious chocolate that has ever been made,

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate that is so different from what has come before

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<v Speaker 1>that the experience is like some sort of drug. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, I was tasting my way through these

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<v Speaker 1>trippy bars from my book, and it kept coming across

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<v Speaker 1>rumors about the trippiest of them all. Supposedly it was

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<v Speaker 1>the first bar in history that wasn't made out of

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<v Speaker 1>farm to cacab This one was all wild, sourced from

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon rainforest itself, and it tasted like nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>had come before. Well. Summoning all of my journalistic skills,

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<v Speaker 1>I managed to track down a bar. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>order it from Switzerland and it cost me twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>bucks was shipping, but a week later the FedEx truck

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<v Speaker 1>dropped the hot little box on my porch and I

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<v Speaker 1>tore it open. The bars cloaked in snazzy Swiss wrapping,

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<v Speaker 1>slid off the sleeve and part of the gold foil

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal a thin plank of chocolate embossed with a feather.

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<v Speaker 1>I snapped off a shard, placed it on my tongue,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bottom fell out of the room. It melted

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<v Speaker 1>like silk, not a trace of bitterness. There's these notes

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<v Speaker 1>of dried fruit and pipe smoke dancing through my sinuses.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like finding an old chest in your grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>attic and sticking your nose inside and breathing in the centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>It was delicious, for sure, but that was almost beside

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<v Speaker 1>the point for something else going on, something metaphysical. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have the word for it. All I can

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<v Speaker 1>say is, compared to all the chocolate I've known, this

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<v Speaker 1>one tasted real. I wanted more of this wild chocolate,

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<v Speaker 1>this wild experience, and I resolved to find someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could lead me into this thicket of flavors. What I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have known at the time was that seeking the

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<v Speaker 1>answers to those questions was going to lead me into

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<v Speaker 1>the rainforest again and again in the shadowed laws, civilizations,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the company of some extraordinary people obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>making god level chocolate. It was frequently going to leave

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<v Speaker 1>me soaked, bitten, miserable, and miles from the nearest bed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was going to expose me to chocolate's dark history

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<v Speaker 1>of exploitation and environmental destruction. But it was also going

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<v Speaker 1>to show me cocow's sacred side and how can we

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<v Speaker 1>used to protect the rainforest. But on that day in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, I just wanted to know if the

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<v Speaker 1>story was true, if this mythical wild cacao really existed.

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<v Speaker 1>The chocolate maker said it was being supplied from Bolivia

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<v Speaker 1>by a man named Vulgar Layman. And that's how I

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<v Speaker 1>met the Herzog of coco hunting over Skype. Hello. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>When I told him that people I asked had never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of wild cacao, he just laughed. He said, most

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<v Speaker 1>people in the business have never even seen a cocountry,

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<v Speaker 1>much less step foot in the rainforest. Basically, they were idiots,

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<v Speaker 1>not close to being on his level. I go at

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of the pank. Everybody behind me, No, still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to catch me. Somehow not possible. I like the intensity

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to have swagger. He said, he was taking

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<v Speaker 1>a trip into your car a territory in search of

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<v Speaker 1>new sources. So why not come and see for myself

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<v Speaker 1>what type of details you want me tool send you?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the plant, the logistics. Yeah, I just want just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where you want me and when? Basically, um, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll run it by the podcast people who are interested.

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<v Speaker 1>They give you money, yeah, hopefully they I'll make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they can cover my my flights and so on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then little money and for the steaks and beers

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<v Speaker 1>and oh yeah, okay, yeah, I pictured that's paddling up

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<v Speaker 1>a river, joining in wild chocolate ceremonies, rivers of molten

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<v Speaker 1>deliciousness pouring down our chins. That was the plan anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Are there snakes to worry about? They are? Okay. That

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<v Speaker 1>was age very large crocodile, which brings me back to

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<v Speaker 1>that landing strip. We're staring at these twittery guys with guns,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know what they're thinking. For two white dudes

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<v Speaker 1>to drop out of an airplane in this region means

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<v Speaker 1>one of two things. Either they think we're undercovered DA

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<v Speaker 1>or they think we're traffickers, and either way is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like that it was close to the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>and they needed some money to buy food and booze.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said myself, okay, they have a need to

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<v Speaker 1>give money, and we have the need to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So he says, no problem with guys, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the landing feed and the guys just look at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally one says five thousand bolivianos, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>seven fifty bucks. And I'm thinking, oh my god, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good deal. We've definitely got enough to swing that.

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<v Speaker 1>And before I can get there, Bulker says, stone faced, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have that much. I said, look, I am myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm poor. And he started looking at me and like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what what a story, you know? And they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look, I represent a small project and and

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing with Cacao. We're dealing with the indigenous Jura

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<v Speaker 1>care people. I'm listening to Votres explanation and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell how persuaded these guys are. Just then Vulgar pulls

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<v Speaker 1>out five hundred bilianos, which is only seventy five bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and offers it up. I take a deep breath and watch,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy relaxes and takes the money, and then

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<v Speaker 1>his buddies relax and suddenly the whole five changes and

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<v Speaker 1>they invite us to sit down and have a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're making small talk. He actually want a tool,

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<v Speaker 1>give me as a gift a book. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>beat up John Grisham paperback someone had left behind. It

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<v Speaker 1>was in English. So they us part and I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>keep it. You know, we want to travel light until

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<v Speaker 1>use the money and think of her much and see

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<v Speaker 1>you there you go how to win friends and influence

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<v Speaker 1>people in the Amazon. After paying off our new friends,

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<v Speaker 1>Bolker and I make our way down to the river.

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<v Speaker 1>Two guys are waiting for us in a long, skinny

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<v Speaker 1>dugout with an outboard on the back. Aurelio has a

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<v Speaker 1>white gambler hat, a mustache, a cigarette, and a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Talked into the bow of the canoe full cowboy vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back of the boat, the pilot Dante, a

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<v Speaker 1>big guy with the scruppy beard, a huge wad of

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<v Speaker 1>coca leaves stuffed into his bulgian cheek. We threw our

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<v Speaker 1>stuff into the middle of the canoe and wedge ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in between, trying not to capsize the thing. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>here goes nothing. Any last words before we launched the voyage,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't never have last words. This is not the

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<v Speaker 1>end at all. I want to taste of some of

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<v Speaker 1>thing a thousand years before Europeans crossed the Atlantic, the

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<v Speaker 1>Maya we're already growing cacao all over Central America and

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<v Speaker 1>using it for rituals and ceremonies. Maya people are the

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<v Speaker 1>forced people. Known people used it, concurvated, domesticated it and

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<v Speaker 1>for us. But it's a gift from the heavens above.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Julio's the key. He's a man and elder. I

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<v Speaker 1>met and belieze. Julia has a chocolate company, but he

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<v Speaker 1>also does demonstrations of traditional Mayan chocolate making. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>way of teaching others what cacow means to his people.

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<v Speaker 1>We stood in his dashed hut just off the highway

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<v Speaker 1>while trucks rattled by as he toasted cacow beans over

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<v Speaker 1>a wooden fire, then ground them between two stones to

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<v Speaker 1>form a paste. Then he mixed the paste with hot

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<v Speaker 1>water and whipped the drink into a froth. This is

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<v Speaker 1>how his mother did it before him, and her mother

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<v Speaker 1>before her, sharing the drink and burning the beans on

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<v Speaker 1>an altar is believed. This is our belief that the

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<v Speaker 1>prayers that we're seeing, the tanks that we're saying, to

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle, to the rainforest, to the wind, to the breeze,

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<v Speaker 1>to the mountains, to the soil, our ancestors would feel

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<v Speaker 1>it would take it. And this is what we strongly

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<v Speaker 1>believe the connection is with between the upper world on

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<v Speaker 1>the the lower world where we are to it. So

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<v Speaker 1>for usc is essentially it's food. He's like talking about

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<v Speaker 1>food being a religious experience, but traditionally the creation and

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<v Speaker 1>consumption of chocolate is just that. Needless to say, that

0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>was lost on the first European to encounter cacao, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Christopher Columbus. It was August and Columbus was

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<v Speaker 1>on his fourth and final voyage to the New World.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd blown it on the whole passage to India. Thing

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<v Speaker 1>he hadn't found any big stores of gold, his ships

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<v Speaker 1>were in tatters, and after his last voyage he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>carted back to Spain and shackles. He needed a big score,

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<v Speaker 1>and miraculously, off the coast of Honduras he got it.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge mind trading canoe more than a hundred feet long,

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<v Speaker 1>laden with cloth axes, war clubs, corn beer, and what

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<v Speaker 1>looked like almonds. Columbus hauled them eye on their cargo

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<v Speaker 1>on board, and when some of those alm and spilled,

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<v Speaker 1>the mind merchants freaked. Glumbus's son wrote that they scrambled

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<v Speaker 1>for them as if their eyeballs had fallen out. Obviously,

0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to the Maya, these weird almonds were precious. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>a master explorer desperate defined treasure, wouldn't you go ashore

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<v Speaker 1>and see if there's any more of these things lying around?

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<v Speaker 1>If Colemus had, he'd have learned that the eyeballs rolling

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<v Speaker 1>around his deck were cacao beans, and they were the

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<v Speaker 1>lifeblood of Mayan culture. Everybody had a few trees in

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<v Speaker 1>their backyard, some people had whole forests. No wedding or

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<v Speaker 1>holiday was complete without a round of hot chocolate whipped

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<v Speaker 1>into a froth with a nice head of phone. The

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<v Speaker 1>dried beans could last for years, so they were the

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<v Speaker 1>coin of the realm. According to records from the fift hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>one coco bean to get you it to molly, three

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<v Speaker 1>an avocado for a salamander, and eight a rabbit or

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<v Speaker 1>a prostitute. Cocaw is still used as currency in some places.

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<v Speaker 1>Julio Saki says that when he was growing up and

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the nineteen seventies, cacao was cash. My mom

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<v Speaker 1>mused to send me as she heard that somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>got a fresh neat coming in from the jungle. She

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<v Speaker 1>would send me over to treat to buy that meat,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially with that half kilo of coca beats, and the

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<v Speaker 1>owner never refuses it. They would say, oh wow, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's your meat. The point is cocao was the

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<v Speaker 1>sacred heart of Mine society and Aztec society. The Aztec

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<v Speaker 1>emperor Montezuma was known to drink fifty cups of chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of a single meal. When Spanish conquistadors

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<v Speaker 1>rated his treasure vaults, they found nine hundred and sixty

0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>million cacal beans sitting inside. It was the Fort Knox

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<v Speaker 1>of the New World, and Spanish quickly claimed it as

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<v Speaker 1>their own. Soon they'd taken over the whole cocao operation.

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<v Speaker 1>But they never learned to love chocolate until they began

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<v Speaker 1>pouring sugar into it. Then they introduced it to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and the craze began. Chocolate houses sprang up from England

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<v Speaker 1>to Austria. They were basically the Starbucks of their day,

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<v Speaker 1>and Spanish controlled the entire trade. For all the talk

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<v Speaker 1>of Elderado, the real treasure they found was chocolate. For

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<v Speaker 1>a while, all the cocoa in the New World came

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<v Speaker 1>from traditional varieties that had great flavor, But as demand exploded,

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<v Speaker 1>supplies got tight. The old orchards just couldn't keep up.

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<v Speaker 1>So the chocolate industry planted cacou all over the tropics,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in West Africa, where labor was unfortunately cheapest of all,

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<v Speaker 1>and the industry planted whatever hybrid varieties produced the highest yields,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how they tasted, because back then nobody paid

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<v Speaker 1>extra for flavor. A bean was a bean. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>saying in West Africa, Mark Christian, one of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>leading chocolate critics, there's no cemetery for cocoa beans, which

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<v Speaker 1>means it doesn't matter every single one of them. We

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<v Speaker 1>sell them because no matter how good are bad they are,

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<v Speaker 1>Nestlee's or whoever, you know, he's gonna get their hands

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<v Speaker 1>on them. And then they'll standardize the flavor by smearing

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<v Speaker 1>it with big vanilla. Maybe it'll go into milk chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>or whatnot. You know, there are lots of ways to

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<v Speaker 1>mask it, and they're fine with it because it's about volume, volume,

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<v Speaker 1>but not taste. And that's still true. But now a

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<v Speaker 1>few Indiana Jones style cocao hunters like Vulgar are trying

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<v Speaker 1>something new. They're raising money for expeditions and scouring the

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<v Speaker 1>jungles for cacao with real flavor, flavors that have been

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<v Speaker 1>lost for centuries, or in some cases, new flavors no

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<v Speaker 1>one has ever tasted before. The funny thing is this

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<v Speaker 1>new way of thinking about chocolate. It's really just the

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<v Speaker 1>old way of thinking about chocolate. It always was the

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<v Speaker 1>gold of the forest. We finally got to this city

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<v Speaker 1>called Boca, which is mouth of Acre, the Acre River,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was dry season. It was August. That's Louisa Abram,

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<v Speaker 1>the new rock star of wild Chocolate at twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>fresh out of culinary school, she launched her chocolate company

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<v Speaker 1>and began looking around for source of fantastic cacaw. She

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<v Speaker 1>heard a rumor that a tiny co op deep in

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon had a stash to sell, so she charted

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<v Speaker 1>a skinny boat and made the trip. The river was

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<v Speaker 1>so dangerous, Oh my gosh, like I've never saw so

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<v Speaker 1>many trunks and so many like obstacles. Rivers in Amazonia

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<v Speaker 1>are filled with buried tree trunks just waiting to impale

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<v Speaker 1>your boat. It can be treacherous. But they made it

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<v Speaker 1>through the big river and then they turned down a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny stream just wide enough for the boat, and they

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<v Speaker 1>followed it wherever. It was six hours in the little

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<v Speaker 1>like stream. Suddenly you see like this big ass bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Humanous if you would, and you're like, something's here. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a town of eight people in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle. It was called Mapia, which means heaven, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very particular sort of heaven. We had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea when we got there. They build the co

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<v Speaker 1>op to sustain the Santo Daimi Community Center. DAM is

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<v Speaker 1>a religion based in part on ayahuasca, a drink brewed

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<v Speaker 1>from psychedelic plants that triggers visions and euphoria. It's part Catholicism,

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<v Speaker 1>part paganism. It's practitioners drink ayahuasca in group rituals that

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<v Speaker 1>involve chanting and dancing that goes on all night long.

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<v Speaker 1>They believe the ayahuasca, or dim as they call it,

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<v Speaker 1>brings the spirit of the divine into them. The farest

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<v Speaker 1>around Mapia were filled countries, and the beans were one

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<v Speaker 1>of the community's main sources of income. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect way to make a little money while leaving the forest. Intact,

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<v Speaker 1>Louis loved the idea of working with wild cacao and

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<v Speaker 1>using it as a way to support the dame A

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<v Speaker 1>community and to protect their sacred forest. She began making

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<v Speaker 1>regular visits to the community, slowly learning their ways and

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<v Speaker 1>winning their trust, but she knew that to really be

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<v Speaker 1>in sync with them, she needed to experience the ayahuasca.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for them, it was important that I could

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<v Speaker 1>see them outside of being a labor force. I could

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<v Speaker 1>see them as people. I knew that I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on going there, so I said to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the leaders in the community, can I be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the ceremony tonight. He was so surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>he invited the whole community, eighty people. And I was afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie. I was a little bit afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I take this, it's gonna mess up my

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<v Speaker 1>mind for my whole entire life. That night, the people

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<v Speaker 1>gathered in the church with guitars and drums. The church

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<v Speaker 1>is not a church that like we know, with like

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<v Speaker 1>four walls, nothing like that. It's open, so you can

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>here the environment. As the night sounds of the forest

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<v Speaker 1>filtered into the church. Everyone lined up to receive communions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thick drink, almost like a smoothie, and you

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<v Speaker 1>take it like a shot, and it tastes earthy, bitter.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, you don't feel nothing, and then it started.

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<v Speaker 1>I started really feeling different, feeling lighter, feeling happier, feeling

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<v Speaker 1>more aware of the sounds of the forest. There was

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<v Speaker 1>this frog making this sound, everyone singing, moving to rhythms,

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>them dancing, and closing my eyes and feeling that union

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with all the women singing and the men playing the guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>The noises start becoming a sea of colors, different colors,

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<v Speaker 1>and like a brushstroke of like purple, pink, and then

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>green neon and then light bloom. It's just synestisia, the

0:27:56.000 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>waves of color coming towards to me and going backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>And then fourty minutes later we take another shot. I

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<v Speaker 1>took three shots. Hour after hour. They keep saying, keep dancing,

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and the dime is rising within them. It starts becoming

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<v Speaker 1>like more fluid, and you just like feel euphoria. But

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you know that your energy is

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 1>resignating towards the person that it's by your side, and

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the same with that person, and you're dancing the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't feel higher. And then the dima is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>flowing through everyone and everything, emerging, the people and the

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>animals and the vines and the trees into one unified being.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone surrounding you, and the forest they were one. Afterwards,

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>she lay in her hammock, floating in the darkness, and

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>she knew she had been changed forever. Here's a confession.

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<v Speaker 1>There are times on this journey when I thought, hold on, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you people doing? What am I doing? Usually

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<v Speaker 1>these moments come when I'm hanging in some hammock in

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle, nursing my bug bites and dreaming about a

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>shower or facing down another dinner of dry fried paranya.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's face it, this is a crazy way to make

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<v Speaker 1>a living loan sharks on one end, jaguars on the other,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if you do everything right, you could better

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>money waiting tables. Sometimes I think a cow is edible gold,

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I think it's fool's gold. But you know what,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>people keep committing their lives to this and it has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with money. So what's the draw. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an easy one. I remember when I first chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>in my mouth, it was like it was like a drug.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, oh my god, Like I was just

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>so amazed. This was like, you know, a classic symphony orchestra.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's really good chocolate like that, the world screeches

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to a halt and the heavens let loose. Kind of

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>crazy that a bunch of crust seeds can do that

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to you. But like I said, chocolate is epic poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives voice to the rainforest in the language your

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>senses understand perfectly. I never had a chance to experience

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the sense of dimes eremony like Louisa, But the more

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>time I spent chasing chocolate in the Amazon, the more

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I didn't have to ayahuasca. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>part of the well spring, all part of the library

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<v Speaker 1>of transcendence that this most endangered and mysterious of places

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<v Speaker 1>still holds. So we took off and we were just

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<v Speaker 1>floating on on the river of the river was quite

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<v Speaker 1>high and calm. The turtles normally sit on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the river bank, on a on a on a little

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<v Speaker 1>trunk and jump in the water when you passed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in a dugout canoe with Vulkers sitting behind me. We're

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<v Speaker 1>headed to the Urquari village, three hours downstream. It's our fixer,

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<v Speaker 1>Ralio's recommendation. He's been selling the vulcan for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Volker said he was looking for new supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>Ralio suggested we meet with the uk Arre. We glide

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<v Speaker 1>over the brown water, leaving the heat and bugs behind

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the moment. Pink river dolphins surface around

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<v Speaker 1>us with little gasps. At last, I have time to breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>Around a bend, we come upon a surreal scene. There

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<v Speaker 1>were people going with canoes into the forest which were

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<v Speaker 1>flooded and tried to get the pods from the trees,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I I saw it, and I saw, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very unusual situation. We pick a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of pods ourselves and crack them open on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat and scoop the white pulp into our mouths.

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<v Speaker 1>It's delicious, sweet and sour, like lemonade. We spit out

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<v Speaker 1>the raw seeds, which won't taste like chocolate until they

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<v Speaker 1>get fermented and roasted. Ulcer's eyes are shining as we

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<v Speaker 1>passed more boats and trees in the flooded forests, and

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<v Speaker 1>I start to understand why he's here chasing chocolate, Why

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<v Speaker 1>anyone would take on such an impossible challenge, Because this

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<v Speaker 1>place is unlike anywhere else, and he wants to protect it.

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<v Speaker 1>And in wild cocao, he thinks he's found away. Dante

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<v Speaker 1>hands me his coca pouch and I stuff a fistful

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<v Speaker 1>leaves into my cheek and has the alkaloids trickle into

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<v Speaker 1>my bloodstream and feel like God just bumped up the

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<v Speaker 1>pop on my monitor. Thunder rolls over the jungle. Howler

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<v Speaker 1>monkeys roar in response, and as we melt into the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>I wedged myself into the bow of the boat next

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<v Speaker 1>to Aurelio's rifle and lean back against the curved wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere around the next bend lies revelation, the essence of

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon. And I'm not wrong, but be careful what

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<v Speaker 1>you ask for. So the rain has just been pounding

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<v Speaker 1>all my long, and the river is now as the

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<v Speaker 1>rivers reclaimed all the land like, there's just water everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no dry land to little walk on. We're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to head back up river and very just gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>full of massive trees tearing down stream. Um and said,

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<v Speaker 1>moving so fast. I'm not sure the boat's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do it, but we'll see. This season on Obsessions,

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<v Speaker 1>wild chocolate, chocolate sort of forms this vortex that sucks

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<v Speaker 1>you in. I had no idea what this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be, and you keep getting deeper deeper into it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're lost. What should we do. I can conquer chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>like I can be the Queen of wild chocolate. There's

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<v Speaker 1>always this risk of complete boss. It wasn't always money, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but now there's no more money. Basically this like disgruntled

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<v Speaker 1>guy and his family surrounded the building armed with machetes.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard all sorts of things that you know, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>got shot over this, and I don't like guns, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you saw the stacks of cash in our office.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I think all this for a damn bar of chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild Chocolate is a Kaleidoscope production with I Heart Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>hosted and reported by me Ron Jacobson and produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Shane mckeit at Nice Marmot Media. Edited by Kate Osborne

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<v Speaker 1>and Gesh how To Goudar, sound design and mixing by Soundboard.

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<v Speaker 1>Original music composition by Spencer Stevenson, a k a Botany

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<v Speaker 1>production help from Bahi ni Short from My Heart Are.

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<v Speaker 1>Executive producers are Katrina Norval and Nikki Etart. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Laura Mayor Costas, Lenos Oswallas and Aaron Kaufman, Will Pearson,

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<v Speaker 1>conel Burne, Bob Pittman, Daria Daniel and the team at

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