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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. Today, I
Speaker 1: am joined by Jeff Ogilvie as we continue our breakdown
Speaker 1: of Augusta National. Today's episode will be all about the
Speaker 1: back nine, and if you missed it, be sure to
Speaker 1: check out yesterday's on the front nine. Without further ado,
Speaker 1: here's Jeff Ogilvie. I miss a green for example, I'm
Speaker 1: already upset when I find my ball in the bunker,
Speaker 1: I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a Frida egg
Speaker 2: Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egggg,
Speaker 2: Frida egg bride egg.
Speaker 1: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 1: So you turn, you're making the turn, and then that
Speaker 1: back nine, like, what are you thinking about earlier in
Speaker 1: that back night?
Speaker 2: Well, ten and eleven and twelve, get your attention that
Speaker 2: you certainly think about where you shouldn't, but it's in
Speaker 2: your head. You really want to get through twelve. Like
Speaker 2: if you're in twelve, in good shape, you're having a
Speaker 2: good day. You know good things can happen after that.
Speaker 2: Ten is arguably, I think the second shot on ten,
Speaker 2: unless you've really smashed one down there long and down
Speaker 2: there and left and got a short one in, is
Speaker 2: maybe the hardest swing on the course for me. Down
Speaker 2: slope ball above your feet, five iron to a green
Speaker 2: that looks minuscule from up there. You're going down a
Speaker 2: pretty steep hill and it's such a beautiful environment. It's
Speaker 2: such a Ten is one of my favorite holes to play.
Speaker 2: It's a fun t shot. You're really trying to hit
Speaker 2: a really big draw, but if you don't, it's not
Speaker 2: the end of the world. You just get a really
Speaker 2: hard second shot. Every time I part ten, I was happy.
Speaker 2: And that's another swing. You have to swing free on
Speaker 2: that second shot on ten because it makes you be
Speaker 2: careful but plays a little bit longer than it looks.
Speaker 2: The green looks tiny, the right bunkers definitely no guarantee,
Speaker 2: and left anything can happen when it bounces down left
Speaker 2: under the Amelia bushes.
Speaker 1: So nine you get the downslope feed lie to slightly
Speaker 1: Alvi green. Then ten you get the downslope hook lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nine you get a downslope fade lie to a
Speaker 2: green that really it encourages a low fade the lie,
Speaker 2: but the shot requires a high draw. And ten you
Speaker 2: get the low draw lie and the shot really requires
Speaker 2: a high fade. And that's two two holes in a row.
Speaker 2: You've got that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way that green sits and the bunker that
Speaker 1: eats up that rate, it's brilliant because you got to
Speaker 1: hit something that way, yeah, or else it goes further away.
Speaker 1: And you see that every year, the ball running away
Speaker 1: from the hall that looks like it's going to be
Speaker 1: close and then it ends up thirty feet away. And
Speaker 1: I love that idea of really to play ten great.
Speaker 1: You don't have to faded into tent.
Speaker 2: It just presents like kind of want to and it
Speaker 2: lands a bit softer and it's more receptive where you
Speaker 2: have to draw it off the tee and to fade
Speaker 2: on the second shot. Yeah, ten is brilliant and ten
Speaker 2: is a I mean, it's obviously it's been talked about.
Speaker 2: The green. I guess a fair bit, but that is
Speaker 2: a really really hard green to read. It does some
Speaker 2: mysterious things, and it's always in the shade, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: shade with the odd little patch of sun, and it's
Speaker 2: a it's a really intimate spot with the crowd the
Speaker 2: patrons too. It's like it's a it's a brilliant place.
Speaker 2: I mean, ten is one of my favorite sort of
Speaker 2: environments to hit golf shots in it and play in
Speaker 2: the world. It's just a great feeling hole. But you're
Speaker 2: very happy to make part on ten and eleven clearly
Speaker 2: is it's.
Speaker 1: The most execution oriented hole, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the t shot. It got a lot narrow when
Speaker 2: they put the trees in on the right, But the
Speaker 2: first year they put the trees in it on the right,
Speaker 2: it was narrower and the trees were a bit denser.
Speaker 2: They I don't think they ever actually said that they
Speaker 2: made it wider, but I think they did. Maybe they
Speaker 2: made it wider on the left, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: it is a very wide fair way even still with
Speaker 2: the trees on the right. It's fifty yards wide. I
Speaker 2: think they posted on Instagram. I'd never seen it before.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it in that gough digest right up
Speaker 2: where they have all the gain. It used to have
Speaker 2: a principal no center lane bunker. The tea used to
Speaker 2: be behind the tenth green. Yeah, and it was almost
Speaker 2: a dog leg to the right with a center bunker,
Speaker 2: so the narrow side being on the right to get
Speaker 2: the good angle to not have to come over the water.
Speaker 2: And then most people would end up going le after
Speaker 2: the bunker and then having to go across the water.
Speaker 2: I mean that would probably be more interesting, but the
Speaker 2: scale and space isn't there for that now, you is,
Speaker 2: two short guys would drive it on the green from
Speaker 2: behind the tenth group now, so now it encourages you
Speaker 2: still to kind of drive it up the right. But
Speaker 2: really eleven, everyone's just trying to hit on the fairway
Speaker 2: because everyone just kind of wants to go thirty forty
Speaker 2: feet right of the pin two part and get out
Speaker 2: of there. Eleven and twelve are really you would take
Speaker 2: four to three there every day and run to the
Speaker 2: thirteenth seat.
Speaker 1: Hope when you hit it. You know, we see every
Speaker 1: bay bell short rate. What's that pitchhake?
Speaker 2: Really tough? The Larry my shot? Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: I mean if you go over watch practice rounds at
Speaker 2: the Masters, every group that comes through, everybody's sitting the
Speaker 2: toun of those because you know you're going to be
Speaker 2: there twice and three times, four times in a bad week,
Speaker 2: once in a good week. It's chipping at the Masters.
Speaker 2: The grass is so short and it's generally cut towards
Speaker 2: like where you are, so you're hit into the grain.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not really grainy, but it's enough to
Speaker 2: make you pay attention. Yeah, and it's incredibly quick from
Speaker 2: that's the low point of the course when everybody talks
Speaker 2: about like the grain or the slope or the pitch
Speaker 2: or everything breaks towards the red dot and there's all
Speaker 2: these theories about everything. Everything breaks towards eleventh green and
Speaker 2: the talk green. That's the low point. So that whole
Speaker 2: green is savage towards the pond on the left, So
Speaker 2: you're chipping uphill a little bit, not a lot, but
Speaker 2: enough too a really steep downslope. And the real tricky
Speaker 2: thing at the Masters, and that's probably the spot where
Speaker 2: it's most evident, is the fringes are quite slow and
Speaker 2: the greens are very fast, so you really the best
Speaker 2: way to play is to just get your sixty out
Speaker 2: of fifty six and just get some spin on a
Speaker 2: little pitch and land it on the green and have
Speaker 2: it grab and bribble down. But that's a really scary shot,
Speaker 2: especially with the thin kind of grass or the short
Speaker 2: grass and the water past it.
Speaker 1: And when you see like the greens against you on
Speaker 1: the chip, it just means like if you don't get
Speaker 1: to hit that like little fat and have it go
Speaker 1: through and be okay, right.
Speaker 2: It just has to be more precise. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: out and out. A good shot will be good off
Speaker 2: any lie, but it just is less room for error.
Speaker 2: You can't catch that blade of grass before you catch
Speaker 2: the ball, or it's going to go shorter than it
Speaker 2: would if there wasn't the grain issue. And again it's
Speaker 2: not super grainy, and it's a little bit over blown
Speaker 2: that sort of thing the grass towards the tea, but
Speaker 2: it's just enough to make you pay attention. But so
Speaker 2: you end up maybe doing that one skip like Larry Mace.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it looked a little different than
Speaker 2: his bounce two or three times on that thing. It's
Speaker 2: harder to do that now, I think, especially in a
Speaker 2: wet weeak loves. It's one of those things you want
Speaker 2: to the safe players to bump it along the ground,
Speaker 2: but you can get that wrong because the fringe catches
Speaker 2: really fast. It's a bit like over the back of
Speaker 2: fifteen too. The fringe catches the ball really quick. And
Speaker 2: if you force that just a little bit and it
Speaker 2: takes you want three bounces and it only takes two. Well,
Speaker 2: it's going to go straight in the pond. So that
Speaker 2: that and the shot from over the back of the
Speaker 2: fifteenth the two wed shots that will get your attention.
Speaker 2: They're really really tricky, but the whole forces you to
Speaker 2: hit it there almost it encourages you to hit it there.
Speaker 2: So because it kind of bail out, that's the bailout.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want hit in the pond because
Speaker 2: then you've got the drop zone over it. Oh you've
Speaker 2: got to go over the pond again.
Speaker 1: And it's like eventually you got to take the pandain
Speaker 1: on both those shots. Like if you if you bail
Speaker 1: right on eleven, you got to take the pand down
Speaker 1: on your third chat and if you bail long on fifteen,
Speaker 1: say with your second chart, you've got to take the
Speaker 1: pan down with the chip back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and eleven. I guess it's probab maybe a little
Speaker 2: untalked about. You can't shit it short of the green
Speaker 2: because anything short of the green, there's these big mounds.
Speaker 2: They just mint, they're just perfect. They're like, oh, forty
Speaker 2: thirty forty twenty hours short of the green on the right.
Speaker 2: So anything in that lands short right like where you
Speaker 2: really want to hit it, it just it can. It
Speaker 2: doesn't always, but it can bounce thirty hours to left
Speaker 2: and go in the water. So you can't go five
Speaker 2: yards short of the front edge right, which is really
Speaker 2: where you want to hit it. And it's like this
Speaker 2: course has got that everywhere that oh, this is where
Speaker 2: you want to go, but you can't. We're going to
Speaker 2: make you take this on. You have to take this
Speaker 2: on in some respect, even missing the grain to the right,
Speaker 2: you have to hit it deeper than you want, you
Speaker 2: have to hit it further than you want. It's there's
Speaker 2: so many little suddle things like that out there that's incredible.
Speaker 2: And so that's the probably hit in the right trees.
Speaker 2: There's some gaps through there, and you can get it
Speaker 2: on the green, but you have to take it over
Speaker 2: those mounds. That are short right of the green, and
Speaker 2: if it goes over the mound the wrong way, it
Speaker 2: just runs into the water. So you end up you
Speaker 2: hit those guys who get it all the way out
Speaker 2: of the twelfth teet like they're just way out there
Speaker 2: and people must be watching, what are they doing? But
Speaker 2: you can't risk that front right short of the green
Speaker 2: because it can go in the water.
Speaker 1: So then twelve's got to be scariest shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's other than they say fifteen to second chat,
Speaker 2: twelve is, Yeah, fifteen is a harder shot. Yeah, twelve is.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. It's all mostly in your head. The wind
Speaker 2: can get really weird the kind of middle pin and
Speaker 2: the left pin, and that day they have a minute.
Speaker 2: It can be a pitching wedge, and if it's not
Speaker 2: too windy, it really isn't too difficult. But once the
Speaker 2: pin gets over on that right half of the green
Speaker 2: and maybe there's a little bit there's a one club wind.
Speaker 2: That's and it's true, you have absolutely no clue where
Speaker 2: it's going from. The wind can whistle if it's coming
Speaker 2: from the right way, it can pump down the thirteenth
Speaker 2: fairway and there's a massive wall of trees behind twelve,
Speaker 2: so it seems to come down thirteenth fairway, it kind
Speaker 2: of around the bend and hit the trees and almost
Speaker 2: bounce back towards the tee. So all day, if you
Speaker 2: look at your wind map or your compass in your
Speaker 2: yardish book, you know it's supposed to be down off
Speaker 2: the left or down off the right or whatever, but
Speaker 2: it actually one minute out of every three it can
Speaker 2: play into the wind because it's bouncing off that big
Speaker 2: wall of trees and it kind of holds up the ball.
Speaker 2: So you know that. So everyone has a theory about
Speaker 2: looking at the flag on eleven or wait till this
Speaker 2: does that and then hit it. Then I haven't. I've
Speaker 2: said two or three days there two or three situations
Speaker 2: that were just like oh my god, I just what
Speaker 2: do I do? Because it's very easy to hit it
Speaker 2: in the bank over the back too, and the water
Speaker 2: is the ultimate miss because then you have to do
Speaker 2: it again, like we saw Jordan and historically lives a
Speaker 2: lot of people do that. So the right pin is
Speaker 2: tough and taking the wind out of the wind is
Speaker 2: an element that has really made the whole famous. Probably
Speaker 2: but without that the genius, especially because most golf is
Speaker 2: the right handed in the short riders in the water
Speaker 2: and long left is over the green, and a right hander,
Speaker 2: when they miss it left, it goes long, and they
Speaker 2: miss it right it goes short.
Speaker 1: And those are the misses when you're a little unsure,
Speaker 1: that cut pop up because your tempo gets a little left.
Speaker 2: And if you want to eat the Nicholas has just
Speaker 2: go over the bunk and go left to the pin
Speaker 2: and put it over. And that's a great theory. But
Speaker 2: the middle of the green is shorter than where the
Speaker 2: pin is, so if you pick that line and hit
Speaker 2: it right of that line, you're going to go in
Speaker 2: the water. So I guess a lot of people would
Speaker 2: see guys hit it, and some big names. It's the
Speaker 2: big moments of hit in the water and the right
Speaker 2: on twelve. Well, if they're trying to play the smart
Speaker 2: play and push it, it's guaranteed to be in the water.
Speaker 2: But if you're trying to go to the pin somewhere
Speaker 2: near the pin and you pull it, you're going to
Speaker 2: be on that hill or over the back. And for
Speaker 2: a left handed I think it's fifty percent easier like
Speaker 2: a half shut at least. Yeah, because their pool goes along,
Speaker 2: so ams at them. Philip barbarraiment at the middle of
Speaker 2: the green. They pull it. It gets there and they
Speaker 2: push it. It doesn't go long. So if there was
Speaker 2: no angle, if the t was twenty hours further the ride,
Speaker 2: or thirty yars further the ride, it wouldn't be much
Speaker 2: of a hole. It wouldn't be the hole it was.
Speaker 2: It'd be beautiful and famous and it'll be tricky, but
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have that kind of edge of.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's like the importance of an angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're hitting.
Speaker 1: From essentially they put it in a disadvantage angle for
Speaker 1: a right hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's genius. The front left edge would
Speaker 2: be I don't have the book in front of me,
Speaker 2: but it's probably fifteen yards short of the front right edge,
Speaker 2: and the back left edge is probably close to the
Speaker 2: front edge on the right pin. So if you go
Speaker 2: to the left hand side of the green, back edge
Speaker 2: will only just carry on the right. So it's you've
Speaker 2: got to pick your spot, pick your club. I hope
Speaker 2: you get the club right, pick your spot and hit
Speaker 2: it within your five yards either side of your target,
Speaker 2: and you're pretty much at the green every time. But
Speaker 2: If you don't, you've got long left, which is stressful,
Speaker 2: less stressful than the water, but it's and it just
Speaker 2: makes you nervous. Like it's a beautiful as I said
Speaker 2: ten eleven twelve, you just want to get to the
Speaker 2: thirteenth team at that point, like, just get me there,
Speaker 2: no carnage. Maybe you're feeling it good and maybe you
Speaker 2: make a birdie through ten eleven twelve, whatever it's happened,
Speaker 2: you know you can do it, but it's definitely the
Speaker 2: part of the course that can ruin your day the.
Speaker 1: Most Wednesday's Pad. You said that the thirteenth Tavas is
Speaker 1: the best Tavax and golf like that.
Speaker 2: It's the best place in professional golf by a long
Speaker 2: way on one of our playing fields at least, I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's just your two hundred yards probably one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty yards at least from the nearest spectator.
Speaker 2: There's maybe a Master's official back there, hiding back there,
Speaker 2: and there's a CBS guy, I think, just to make
Speaker 2: sure the camera's on a tripod. I think. I don't
Speaker 2: think he actually mans the camera, but just to make
Speaker 2: sure it's all working, and otherwise it's completely silent. And
Speaker 2: you've come off twelve. Where there's the most beautiful noise
Speaker 2: in golf is when you make a put on twelve
Speaker 2: and there's that speed of sound gap, right, You've got
Speaker 2: that three seconds until you hear the cheers and the collapse.
Speaker 2: It's just fantastic. I mean, I don't know, there's something
Speaker 2: about it that's just really rare in golf, and it's
Speaker 2: just a nice feeling. So you're back on thirteen, you're
Speaker 2: tucked away, nobody can see you, and you're looking at
Speaker 2: the most beautiful t shirt of the world. So it's
Speaker 2: like it's just a nice you're always on show. You're
Speaker 2: a goldfish at something like the Masters.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The appeal to golf, I guess from a spectator a
Speaker 2: lot of times is that they're so close to us.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's why that's just such a nice
Speaker 2: change for us, because we're two hundred yards really from
Speaker 2: the nearest fan. It's just a nice place and it's
Speaker 2: just such a good hole. We're just excited. We've just
Speaker 2: come off the toughest stretch on the course and we're
Speaker 2: about to play the funnest stretch on.
Speaker 1: The When you're playing in front of a crowd how
Speaker 1: I mean do different events like, is there like an
Speaker 1: a point where you just stop noticing them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Usually for me it's odd. But I've
Speaker 2: always found the bigger the crowd, the easier it is
Speaker 2: because it all kind of blends in. I've always found
Speaker 2: the toughest crowd the three people four people, because it's
Speaker 2: a bit more intimate and personal and they almost feel
Speaker 2: like they can talk to you, and it's a there's
Speaker 2: something kind of unnerving about two or three guys standing
Speaker 2: right near you. It's kind of I don't know. I've
Speaker 2: always found that harder than or that one guy who
Speaker 2: stands behind your put. There's one guy at the putting
Speaker 2: green and he walks around to stand right behind the
Speaker 2: line of your put to watch your part. And it's
Speaker 2: a perfectly fair thing for him to do, and and
Speaker 2: that's a great way to watch you put. But it's
Speaker 2: you notice that one guy. But you get to the
Speaker 2: ex Open, and I mean that would be a little different,
Speaker 2: but you're in the Masters and there's five thousand people
Speaker 2: on every hole. It's just a bit of a blur.
Speaker 2: It blends in and it's almost it's white noise. So
Speaker 2: it's like the noise canceling headphones. It's almost you don't
Speaker 2: notice them as much.
Speaker 1: Y's like you there's constant noise. I was playing a
Speaker 1: tournament at Beverly in Chicago, which is like over it's
Speaker 1: like you know, in the city of Chicago, major streets,
Speaker 1: and then right over Midway is flying over like all day,
Speaker 1: and it's it's gotta be the loudest course in in
Speaker 1: in America. And but then like it's so funny, you
Speaker 1: don't even notice it after a couple of horse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's like there's a few there's there's
Speaker 2: a few famous courses around the world that have the airports,
Speaker 2: and Sernandra Is, to be fair, it's kind of one
Speaker 2: of them. There's Lucas that the RAF base and there's
Speaker 2: jets all day and that kind of helps a little
Speaker 2: bit sometimes. And Tory Pines is renowned for F eighteens
Speaker 2: and f hornets and all sorts of stuff. They're flying
Speaker 2: absolutely all day, and it does create this kind of
Speaker 2: noise canceling headphones effect. It's just you don't even notice
Speaker 2: it after a bit.
Speaker 1: So then when you go back to thirteen, it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird.
Speaker 2: It is, it's really really quiet and yeah, you can
Speaker 2: hear each other talk and it's just a it's a
Speaker 2: very odd place when you play the Masters, is such
Speaker 2: an assault on your senses. There's people everywhere, there's noise,
Speaker 2: and it's such a massive week that you've got this
Speaker 2: spot on the course that's just totally silent. It's actually
Speaker 2: really nice.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about with that thirteenth T shirt?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm for me. I've always kind of struggled to
Speaker 2: hit a big drawer with a driver, so I I
Speaker 2: kind of initially initially was trying to hit threewood because
Speaker 2: a lot of guys, the longer guys, would hit three
Speaker 2: woods because it's much easier hit a hawk. And I
Speaker 2: play with Freddie early days a couple of times and
Speaker 2: he hit this great sweet draw with the three wood
Speaker 2: that was kind of I was very envious about. But
Speaker 2: it looked like the sensible way to play it. And
Speaker 2: the the trouble really because it's once you've gone left
Speaker 2: once or twice, it spooks you for a long time
Speaker 2: about going left again. So your problem really is hitting
Speaker 2: it through the fairway because that really takes out wow.
Speaker 2: Unless you get lucky in the pine straw, it brings
Speaker 2: in the risk, So I would try to hit kind
Speaker 2: of three woods with a decent draw, but give the
Speaker 2: trees a lot of air, Like the trees are very penal,
Speaker 2: and everything seems to bounce in the water from the
Speaker 2: trees every single time, or left of the water even
Speaker 2: and that's just terrible. So I generally hit three wood,
Speaker 2: and I think I ended up hitting a few more
Speaker 2: drivers trying to get a little bit more aggressive, but
Speaker 2: I I wasn't really that great, or haven't been that
Speaker 2: great in big draws of drivers, so I kind of
Speaker 2: was willing to accept like a three or four on
Speaker 2: under the green. I didn't really ever try to get
Speaker 2: much closer than that, because, as I said, you hit
Speaker 2: one left one time and you get so burnt by
Speaker 2: being left, and you just feel like you've wasted a
Speaker 2: shot or two and you've missed out on maybe the
Speaker 2: fun of shot on the course, which is the second
Speaker 2: shot that I used to give it a bit of air,
Speaker 2: and I used to block a few and then you'd
Speaker 2: be way out and you'd have to lay it up.
Speaker 2: But at least that way you don't go left. So
Speaker 2: I would just try to sort of almost back for
Speaker 2: the three would and hit kind of a low, screaming hook.
Speaker 1: That was my plan, So messing that fair away you
Speaker 1: would be really mad because you didn't get to hit
Speaker 1: the second shot.
Speaker 2: There's a funer shot on the course. For me, it's
Speaker 2: just incredible, and what people don't it's such a genius hole.
Speaker 2: It's almost the perfect golfer And if it isn't the
Speaker 2: perfect golf hole, it's probably as close as you can
Speaker 2: get to a perfect golf hole. It's strategically, the further
Speaker 2: let the closer to the water you get, you get
Speaker 2: like a threefold advantage. You get a flatter lie, you
Speaker 2: get closer to the green, and you have a better angle.
Speaker 2: The further away from the creek you are, the further
Speaker 2: from the green you are, the more the ball is
Speaker 2: above your feet, and the worse your angle into the green.
Speaker 2: And it's incredible how steeply or how much the ball
Speaker 2: is above your feet on that second shot. I think
Speaker 2: it surprises everyone for the first time when they hit
Speaker 2: the second shot and thirteen they hit a nice drive
Speaker 2: up to the middle of fairway, maybe around the corner
Speaker 2: a little bit, and they've got this four or five iron,
Speaker 2: three iron, four iron, five iron with the ball legitimately
Speaker 2: six or eight inches above your feet, and that's really
Speaker 2: quite difficult.
Speaker 1: It's going to be so hard to hit it high
Speaker 1: off that lie right.
Speaker 2: It's hard hit a high and it's also because the
Speaker 2: trouble is short left and it goes to long right
Speaker 2: the way the again, it's another angle. It's another great angle.
Speaker 2: If you had a flat lie and everything else was
Speaker 2: being was kind of different, you would want to hit
Speaker 2: a fade into that green because you could hit a
Speaker 2: shot that was basically never really going to be in
Speaker 2: the water. You can start it left with the green
Speaker 2: and kind of the shortest carry. I mean, the carry
Speaker 2: to the front edge is probably thirty yards shorter than
Speaker 2: the carry to kind of the right edge of that
Speaker 2: back right pin. So you could that safe one where
Speaker 2: you always fell. Oh well, if I hit it straight,
Speaker 2: then I'll just miss the green left. But I can
Speaker 2: kind of make burdie over there. But you have to
Speaker 2: with the ball above your feet kind of hit a draw.
Speaker 2: And so you're hanging it over the long carry and
Speaker 2: you're hanging it over the water. And yeah, it's hard
Speaker 2: to hit it high. And that shot is actually it
Speaker 2: doesn't even look at when you're standing there but the
Speaker 2: water in the creek runs quite significantly and quite fast,
Speaker 2: from the green towards rays creek, it runs back towards
Speaker 2: the teeth, so it's obviously quite uphill. A second shot.
Speaker 2: I actually can't remember we've got slopes in our books
Speaker 2: now but what it plays, but it would definitely play
Speaker 2: five ten yards longer than it measures just because of
Speaker 2: the hill. So you've got it's again like it is
Speaker 2: all the way around the course. You've got this shot
Speaker 2: that all you want to do is hit a high fade,
Speaker 2: and all of the stances trying to give you as
Speaker 2: a low drawer.
Speaker 1: And the scale of that fair away is what created
Speaker 1: the deception of the uphill on the second shot.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it just doesn't seem you feel like
Speaker 2: you kind of because you come down off the thirteenth tee,
Speaker 2: you cross the creek and you walk all the way up,
Speaker 2: You walk up to your ball quite significantly, really, so
Speaker 2: I guess it feels like you'll come back. It kind
Speaker 2: of seems like the corner is the high point. The
Speaker 2: way it all looks and the way the trees are,
Speaker 2: and trees on the right are so much higher than
Speaker 2: the trees the creek on the left. It's the second shot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that it just feels like you should be going down
Speaker 2: to the green, but you're actually still going quite significantly
Speaker 2: up to the green.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting and that makes that chat even harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it plays longer the carry it gets. Every yard
Speaker 2: you go to the right, it gets two yards further
Speaker 2: to carry, you know. It's one of those kind of deals.
Speaker 2: It's but it's such a good fun shot to pull off.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a massive green. It might be
Speaker 2: the biggest green on the course, but it looks tiny
Speaker 2: from back there on the fairway, and you never that
Speaker 2: sad when you miss the green left. But it's a
Speaker 2: really tricky chip from left. I mean it's a crazy
Speaker 2: slope green and it's got that same thing as ten.
Speaker 2: It's always in the shadows. Well, it's in the shadows
Speaker 2: from lunchtime onwards probably, So if you're.
Speaker 1: Ware you want to be, if you're playing well and
Speaker 1: you're where you want to be on the weekend, it's
Speaker 1: in the shadow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the shadows. If you're telling off anywhere
Speaker 2: remotely close to the lead, you are, and it's shadows.
Speaker 2: It's not definitively all in the shade. There's like light
Speaker 2: patches and dark patches, and like there's that ultimate hard
Speaker 2: kind of light.
Speaker 1: To read a green in that little back run off
Speaker 1: area is really tricky, spart.
Speaker 2: Right, It's yeah, it's super tricky. It's kind of quite
Speaker 2: a significant kind of dip, and the bunkers are actually
Speaker 2: quite high. The bunkers are almost above the height of
Speaker 2: the green, but the I mean it's probably only a
Speaker 2: foot or two that little kind of dip between the
Speaker 2: back edge of the green or the left edge and
Speaker 2: the back edge of the green and those bunkers and
Speaker 2: up towards the flowers. It's quite a significant dip. And
Speaker 2: it's enough that it's extremely slow to put up because
Speaker 2: it's quite a steep little hill, and it's like putting
Speaker 2: up a steep, little slow hill through the fringe and
Speaker 2: then just ultra fast all the way to the water.
Speaker 2: It's not where you want to be. It's clearly better
Speaker 2: than being in the water, and it's better than generally
Speaker 2: it's probably better than laying up even close to the creek,
Speaker 2: but it's still not really your favorite shot, especially if
Speaker 2: you're anywhere near the mix, because it's a Again, it's
Speaker 2: that that speed differential between fringe and green is so
Speaker 2: great that you want to run it through the fringe
Speaker 2: to the safety of the putter. But it's a really
Speaker 2: hard one to get right with the putter, so you
Speaker 2: kind of end up going with the wedge and if
Speaker 2: you don't get any spin on it, you don't clip
Speaker 2: it right, you catch the slope wrong. You can be
Speaker 2: thirty feet below the hole, or you can hit chip
Speaker 2: it in the water pretty easy, or lea it down
Speaker 2: where your feet are, so it's you don't want to
Speaker 2: be down there. It's better than being right, but you
Speaker 2: don't want to be down there.
Speaker 1: It gives you the ultimate reward if you take it
Speaker 1: on and pull it off the second chart.
Speaker 2: Really it does. And again it's that perfect situation that
Speaker 2: if you wanted to make five four days in a row,
Speaker 2: you would make five for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: A professional golfer playing in the Masters would never not
Speaker 2: make five if his goal was to make a five.
Speaker 2: Because there's one thousand hours of fairway to the right.
Speaker 2: You could just something way out to the right, lay
Speaker 2: it up into the biggest fairway on the court. Because
Speaker 2: it's really fourteen and thirteen fairway. You can lay it
Speaker 2: up as close to the creek as you want, left, right, anywhere,
Speaker 2: and it's really quite easy to hit the middle of
Speaker 2: that green in three shots, but you're never going to
Speaker 2: make four. So as soon as you try to make
Speaker 2: four or three, you're bring in the creek off the
Speaker 2: tee because the only the easier that it's relatively easy
Speaker 2: second shot if you're down near the creek around the corner,
Speaker 2: as I said, because it's that lie, the angle is
Speaker 2: better and you're closer to the green.
Speaker 1: The dynamics of like of where it is and knowing
Speaker 1: the back nine with where people can just make up
Speaker 1: ground like crazy on there. It even if you have
Speaker 1: a four shot lead, you kind of have to go
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's it if that's the first year or
Speaker 2: two was the fourth hole.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I was. I wanted to ask you about this.
Speaker 2: It would be completely different. Well, it would still be
Speaker 2: a great hole, and it be amazing that people would
Speaker 2: play it differently as the fourth hole because they'd probably
Speaker 2: more willing to accept not making birdie. But when it's thirteen,
Speaker 2: especially late on Saturday or Sunday, you know there's a
Speaker 2: few guys in contention. You're going to make three or four,
Speaker 2: or everybody's going to make four, it feels like, and
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys are going to make three, so
Speaker 2: you have to kind of try to make three and
Speaker 2: it's three or four. And as soon as you try
Speaker 2: to do that, that's when you bring in all the stress.
Speaker 2: And that's when it's a really anxiety building hole, right,
Speaker 2: because you have to hit two of the most high
Speaker 2: quality shots you have to hit anywhere to get that
Speaker 2: eagle part with all sorts of risk involved. When you
Speaker 2: really could just go bail out to the right, bailout
Speaker 2: to the right, have a relatively easy wedge with a
Speaker 2: big back stop to that Sunday pin, you can get
Speaker 2: it within twenty feet every time. But you can't really
Speaker 2: do that when you were in the mix and the
Speaker 2: six in front of something. I mean even three or
Speaker 2: four in front isn't enough. Really, the situation in the
Speaker 2: tournament being six holes to play, you really have to
Speaker 2: take on again. It makes you, It encourages you to
Speaker 2: take on shots that you might not necessarily want to
Speaker 2: take on.
Speaker 1: I'm going to table my question about the flip till
Speaker 1: later because I want to go through the last few
Speaker 1: before we I ask you fourteen We talked about it
Speaker 1: on the front nine and three a little bit. How
Speaker 1: there are the holes where leaders pick up the most shot.
Speaker 1: So fourteen no bunkers. Everybody always talks about no bunkers,
Speaker 1: but it has some most severe cantours.
Speaker 2: Right, it's probably the if anyone's never been there, which
Speaker 2: most people probably haven't, it's probably the green that that
Speaker 2: freaks people out the most when they see how dramatic
Speaker 2: and crazy it is. I mean, it is a massive
Speaker 2: green left to right or right to left wide. It's
Speaker 2: not necessarily that deep, it's quite I mean it's deep enough,
Speaker 2: but the first fifteen ound of the green is completely
Speaker 2: unusable because it's one of those big kind of Sinnandrews,
Speaker 2: like kind of false fronts, if you like. That's really
Speaker 2: big and severe, and it's super high on the left,
Speaker 2: and it's almost like a three tier green from left
Speaker 2: to right. So it's really high on the left, really
Speaker 2: small little level on the left, the medium kind of
Speaker 2: level in the middle, and then quite a big level
Speaker 2: down the bottom. Right.
Speaker 1: Have you played past the temper I haven't played past.
Speaker 1: You've seen that sixteenth green, right, Yeah, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of like that on the side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard anybody.
Speaker 1: Describe it like that, but that's what it clicked them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a green that you the T shirt.
Speaker 2: I think actually when they made that longer, they moved
Speaker 2: the tea back twenty or three thirty when was it
Speaker 2: either ninety eight or two thousand and five or whenever
Speaker 2: they did those two changes, it got longer. I think
Speaker 2: the T shop got a little bit easier with that,
Speaker 2: and the fact when they started cut the fairways back
Speaker 2: to the teeth, because I think in the old days,
Speaker 2: from what I hear is you had to hit a
Speaker 2: drawer to keep it on the fairway because the fairway
Speaker 2: camps very It's quite high on the left and low
Speaker 2: on the right. So anything with anything, whether it's straight
Speaker 2: or fade, is going to hit and bounce and run
Speaker 2: to the right. So now there's a little.
Speaker 1: Bit steam ridge that moves down thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same hill higher up the hill, but
Speaker 2: the same sort of slope, and you have to hit it.
Speaker 2: It's quite a big fairway now, I think it's bigger
Speaker 2: than it was before. The length actually made it a
Speaker 2: little bit easier to hit, I think, because it's quite
Speaker 2: hard to hit in the trees. Now, I mean you
Speaker 2: can run it out into the right raf, which is
Speaker 2: not ideal because it's a green you want a lot
Speaker 2: to spin into. But it went from like a hook
Speaker 2: three would I think in the old days to like
Speaker 2: just smash the driver and if you can draw it,
Speaker 2: it's definitely an advantage because again the higher on the
Speaker 2: left you get the flattery stances. So again it's a
Speaker 2: bit like thirteen in the closer on the inside of
Speaker 2: the dog leg you are the flattiest stance, and the
Speaker 2: higher up you are, so the shorter the second shot plays.
Speaker 2: But there's trees on the left that you I think
Speaker 2: dust and carry them yesterday, but generally no one can
Speaker 2: get them massive trees and you kind of have to
Speaker 2: go around them. Have you hit them. They again Augusta trees,
Speaker 2: they always bounce towards the trouble. Right Augusta trees somehow
Speaker 2: make balls bounce into the trouble, not back onto the fairway.
Speaker 2: But it's I felt, a relatively simple t shot. If
Speaker 2: you as long as you were hitting a big phasee
Speaker 2: for a right hander and get it up there to
Speaker 2: eight nine nine wirdge, you've hit a good one. And
Speaker 2: then the second shot is it changes every day with
Speaker 2: where the pin is. That famous kind of pin in
Speaker 2: the middle that they have on Sundays where anything within
Speaker 2: twenty or thirty feet left of it just goes at
Speaker 2: it just rolls towards it. That's a really fun pin
Speaker 2: to hit at when you're in the middle of the fairway,
Speaker 2: but you can get it wrong because if you miss
Speaker 2: it two feet to the right of the pin, you're
Speaker 2: going to have a sixty foot from the bottom right
Speaker 2: of the green, and that's a part that might be
Speaker 2: the slowest part of Augusta. You gotta smash it, so
Speaker 2: you don't want to do that. You can't miss the
Speaker 2: green short. If you miss a green short, it's a
Speaker 2: one in five up and down, maybe even more. And
Speaker 2: again it's a hole you want to hit a drawer
Speaker 2: into because you want the drawer to be holding on
Speaker 2: the slope when it lands, But the ball is so
Speaker 2: far below your feet on the second shot, it's really
Speaker 2: difficult hit to draw, so you end up. I usually
Speaker 2: ended up having a ball that was moving left to right,
Speaker 2: so the first bounce or the spin is kind of
Speaker 2: checking to the right, which accentuates all the slope on
Speaker 2: the green, so it's It is certainly a birdie hole
Speaker 2: with a good drive, but it's certainly a second shot
Speaker 2: that requires as much attention as any other second shot,
Speaker 2: because if you can't, if you don't get it on
Speaker 2: the right level, you're going to have a really long
Speaker 2: part or a really fast part. One O yether and
Speaker 2: you can have puts on that green that break twenty
Speaker 2: five feet from twenty five feet.
Speaker 1: The way that green sits in that ridge is perfect
Speaker 1: to make it that way too, because that whole thing
Speaker 1: kind of cascades lackened and rate, and the green just
Speaker 1: sits there, kind of carved out of it, and then
Speaker 1: you know, built up to get that little front ray part.
Speaker 2: Cascades is a great word. It does look like it's
Speaker 2: water falling down the hill a little bit. That green,
Speaker 2: it's an incredible grain. Ben crenshaw is said at a
Speaker 2: bunch of times, it's the most three partable green in
Speaker 2: the world, right, I mean, it's it's a crazy green
Speaker 2: and you just you are so conscious of not missing
Speaker 2: it short short. The first time you see it seems
Speaker 2: the miss yeah, because it's under the hole. But it's
Speaker 2: under the hole. You go up this massive false front.
Speaker 2: The biggest one Augusta by a long way, I mean heights.
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably only three feet, but it seems
Speaker 2: twelve feet above you right when you're short of that
Speaker 2: green and you have to smash the puts so hard
Speaker 2: and so far left of the hole because of all
Speaker 2: the break that it's as I said, it's probably a
Speaker 2: one in five, one in ten up and down from
Speaker 2: short of the green, So everybody knows that. And when
Speaker 2: the balls below your feet and you end up kind
Speaker 2: of carving up a bit of a fade, it's very
Speaker 2: easy to miss it short of the green, so you're
Speaker 2: conscious of that.
Speaker 1: So and that's a hard hit, that draw that you
Speaker 1: want to hit.
Speaker 2: And yeah, for me, it always was. I mean I
Speaker 2: think for everyone it's the hardest. For the comfortable drawers
Speaker 2: like Rory and guys like that, then it's probably not
Speaker 2: that big a deal. But for most people it certainly
Speaker 2: makes the shape you want to hit. The slope is
Speaker 2: exactly wrong for the shape you want to hit.
Speaker 1: Long is the mess, right long long.
Speaker 2: And right of the pin is the miss. And if
Speaker 2: you want to miss it, right of the pin, but
Speaker 2: not by very much generally, I mean that pin in
Speaker 2: the middle to get it close. You have to land
Speaker 2: it left of the pin, and it's sweep down, but
Speaker 2: you'd still prefer it to sweep down and break and
Speaker 2: end up below the hole. To the right. Long right
Speaker 2: is you can get up and down to any pin
Speaker 2: from long right. How do you miss right though it
Speaker 2: was a rady, It's difficult because you're missed to the
Speaker 2: right is generally short right. So if you can miss
Speaker 2: it to the long right, if you actually hit it
Speaker 2: straight or hit a draw pull one off, it's going
Speaker 2: to go long right, long left, and long left is
Speaker 2: a disaster. So again, it's just a very clever use
Speaker 2: of slope. Serendipitous, I think a little bit because you
Speaker 2: couldn't have built a different green there that you could
Speaker 2: only build a green that went high left to low
Speaker 2: right because the severity of the hill. But it just
Speaker 2: it just worked. And there's some incredibly impossible pins that
Speaker 2: where you have maybe there's this kind of frontish left
Speaker 2: pin which isn't really front left, but it's front left
Speaker 2: of the usable green. It's probably twenty five on the green,
Speaker 2: but it's in the first eight feet of usable green
Speaker 2: on that high left side. And if it's maybe a
Speaker 2: six foot circle that you could get it close, and
Speaker 2: if you don't, you're going to be potentially one hundred
Speaker 2: feet from the hole. If you miss at one foot
Speaker 2: right of that pin, you can potentially be not all
Speaker 2: the time, it can hang on that middle tier, but
Speaker 2: if it gets a bit of momentum off the very
Speaker 2: top tier, it goes down the middle tier and then
Speaker 2: down all the under the lower tier, and you can
Speaker 2: have one hundred foot And as I said, that's the
Speaker 2: slowest part of the Masters. And I think sometimes the
Speaker 2: slow parts are the Masters are the hard ones because
Speaker 2: you're so fearful of the one back if you smash.
Speaker 1: It, and you've been hitting themselves so aft are.
Speaker 2: There you're so I wouldn't tentative isn't the word, but
Speaker 2: conscious of not hitting it too hard, and that one
Speaker 2: it's a little bit untalked about. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of the old experienced guys talk about how slow the
Speaker 2: upper parts are of the Masters, and to me, they're
Speaker 2: always the difficult ones, because again it's always in your
Speaker 2: head to not hit it six feet past, and you're
Speaker 2: hitting it so hard, I mean one hundred sixty eighty
Speaker 2: foot ninety foot up two tiers up. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what to know ten percent kind of slow grade.
Speaker 2: It's incredible how hard you have to hit it, and
Speaker 2: it's really really hard to get yourself to hit it
Speaker 2: that hard because you just don't want that six foot
Speaker 2: on the way back, because the six four the way
Speaker 2: back you could potentially go back all the way down again.
Speaker 1: So it's a hole that really really rewards great shots.
Speaker 2: It rewards because it's really.
Speaker 1: Hard to make par if you're not in the right
Speaker 1: or it's really hard to make par even if you're
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot.
Speaker 2: Just off. Yeah, it rewards a nice tea shot. Again,
Speaker 2: it's not the most demanding tshot on the course. You
Speaker 2: gotta pay a little bit of attention, but it's a
Speaker 2: very very precise second shot to hit it close, and
Speaker 2: if you don't hit that precise second shot, you're going
Speaker 2: to have some difficulty in making power for sure.
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Speaker 1: Remember as I then you go to fifteen, which is
Speaker 1: infamous hall. I feel like just surviving it for four rounds.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like that. It depends. It generally plays
Speaker 2: slightly into the wind. Historically in all the tournaments I played,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really ever seem to get down wind. I mean,
Speaker 2: it can swirl a bit, and it can, but it's
Speaker 2: generally probably slightly into the wind, and the t shirt
Speaker 2: is relatively easy. It's just bombs away. It's not really
Speaker 2: about accuracy. It's a little bit because down the left
Speaker 2: side obviously those trees get into the mix. But it's
Speaker 2: that one of those free is the free hit at it.
Speaker 2: Really you can just tee off because if you don't
Speaker 2: smash it, it's the hole you on the tee. You
Speaker 2: do everything you can to be able to go for
Speaker 2: it too, because as hard as that second shot is,
Speaker 2: and as much trouble as there with a second shot,
Speaker 2: getting it over the water in two on dry land
Speaker 2: is preferable to anything short of water. There is nothing
Speaker 2: good short of the water. It's the hardest wedge in golf,
Speaker 2: so by a long stretch, I would say with the
Speaker 2: most train wrecks happen on the third shot generally, not
Speaker 2: the second shot or the drop after the second one
Speaker 2: goes in the water. That wedge is just beyond brutal.
Speaker 2: So you are very motivated to hit a good T shirt.
Speaker 2: And it was always never on the edge for me,
Speaker 2: but it was funny. It's one of those holes that
Speaker 2: in practice you're maybe not quite in tournament speed yet
Speaker 2: because you're not the adrenaline isn't going and stuff. I
Speaker 2: always felt like I had two forty to the pin
Speaker 2: in practice. It's like, how do people go for this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous, and like you would go for it in
Speaker 2: practice because it doesn't matter, and hitting two irons and
Speaker 2: three irons and three woods even and it's just like
Speaker 2: not the target for a three wood. But as the
Speaker 2: tournament comes on, usually by the fourteenth you've kind of
Speaker 2: pretty you're swinging it pretty hard and if you're feeling decent,
Speaker 2: you can't seem if I get it up there to
Speaker 2: two twenty like three four five iron kind of when
Speaker 2: you're playing really well, so you really really really want to.
Speaker 2: The most important thing of the day on fifteen is
Speaker 2: being able to get it on dry land for two
Speaker 2: over the pond, because it's, as I said, just the
Speaker 2: complete nightmare of a pitch shot. And then when you
Speaker 2: get it on, it's a super fun second shot to
Speaker 2: pull off. Though it's similar to thirteen, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of history involved in that because we've seen so
Speaker 2: many people hit the shot. And the pins on the
Speaker 2: right depends on the right are the easy pins. That
Speaker 2: Sunday pin on the right is the eagle pin. The
Speaker 2: I mean they've moved it. They've kind of dabbled around
Speaker 2: with the Sunday pins. It's been a bit more in
Speaker 2: the middle of the green, and Sergio's was in the
Speaker 2: middle of the green a couple of years ago and
Speaker 2: that unbelievable Shotty hit. But that back right pin is
Speaker 2: certainly the green light pin. And you would go at
Speaker 2: that back right pin with almost any club if you
Speaker 2: could get it there. I think.
Speaker 1: The slope, which you know, makes that right pin easier.
Speaker 1: It is so hard to tell on TV because it's
Speaker 1: propped up and you can't see it, But if you
Speaker 1: think about where the green's positioned, like three hundred yards.
Speaker 1: The left is thirteen green, which is you know, just
Speaker 1: running right down that slope. It's got a lighter pitch
Speaker 1: to it right to last.
Speaker 2: It's the same kind of hill. It's the general same hill.
Speaker 2: Once when you're at twelve, the way back to the
Speaker 2: clubhouse with the routing was traversing the hill. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: thirteen that's right to left, that's high on the right,
Speaker 2: lower on the left, fourteen that's high on the left,
Speaker 2: low on the right, and fifteen high on the right
Speaker 2: and low, you know, and it's it's traversing the hill
Speaker 2: kind of. That's the way to get up the hill.
Speaker 2: So the fairway on fifteen is relatively flat, but the
Speaker 2: green is really a lot, very very fast from right
Speaker 2: to left, and it's progressively shallower the further left you
Speaker 2: go on the green too, Like the back left hand
Speaker 2: side of the green seems to slope towards the back
Speaker 2: of the green a little bit down towards the water
Speaker 2: on sixteen, whereas the right hand side of the green
Speaker 2: seems a bit more receptive and a bit kind of
Speaker 2: into you. You can kind of stop a three on
Speaker 2: on the right hand side of the green on the
Speaker 2: left hands tide of the green. It seems like you
Speaker 2: can't stop a wedge. So it's kind of I don't
Speaker 2: know how to describe that in words, but it's it's
Speaker 2: an uphill kind of it lands on an upslope on
Speaker 2: the right hand shake a potato chip. Yeah, it's got
Speaker 2: a little bit of a twist, in't it. Yeah. It's
Speaker 2: like it's it's an uphill put from the front right
Speaker 2: to the back right pin, and it's a downhill part
Speaker 2: from the front left to the back left pin. You know,
Speaker 2: So it's.
Speaker 1: Hitting wedges into greens that run a little away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's one of the hardest shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The shot of the web shot, which is why
Speaker 2: you don't want to miss the fairway or neck you
Speaker 2: t shot is the instinct when the pin is on
Speaker 2: the left and I got burnt by this in two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, but the instinct is to lay it
Speaker 2: up down the right because the pin's on the left
Speaker 2: and you feel like you're going to kind of create
Speaker 2: a bit more room on the green. But the further
Speaker 2: right you are on the fairway with that wed shot
Speaker 2: from one hundred yards or eighty yards, you are landing
Speaker 2: it on that pretty significant downslope of the green from
Speaker 2: right to left, and the first bounce is so big
Speaker 2: that if you land it anywhere near pin high, it's
Speaker 2: just one bounce over the back. And we've all seen
Speaker 2: that shot a lot, that wedge that lands next to
Speaker 2: the pin and just goes bounce over the back. So
Speaker 2: you're off a downslope on that. As I said that
Speaker 2: that fairway grass that demands precision, I mean, it's not difficult,
Speaker 2: but it demands precision like it's unforgiving. It's an unforgiving light,
Speaker 2: especially with a wedge. So I initially was trying to
Speaker 2: lay it up on the right, and in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven I laid it. It was that crazy, ridiculous
Speaker 2: Saturday when it was thirty four degrees and the year
Speaker 2: is Zach Johnson won and we're all shooting over par.
Speaker 2: But I think I was somewhat in the mix, two
Speaker 2: or three behind, I think, with four holes to play
Speaker 2: on Saturday, and I wedged two in the water and
Speaker 2: I laid it up down the right and landed my
Speaker 2: sixty like on the front engine. It just spun off
Speaker 2: the greend of the water, and then I got stubborn
Speaker 2: and dropped it in the same spot, or maybe I
Speaker 2: walked up two yards or no, I didn't do that.
Speaker 2: I think the Tiger Woods thing. I can't remember whatever
Speaker 2: I did, but I just did it again because the
Speaker 2: fear of that one bounce over the back is really there.
Speaker 2: And it's such a downslope, so your wedge comes.
Speaker 1: Out low, so doesn't carry, doesn't.
Speaker 2: Powry got as far, and that first bounce is going
Speaker 2: to be such a big long bounce because it's coming
Speaker 2: in fast. You know that downslope wedge with a lot
Speaker 2: of spin. It's landing fast. It's like skidding on like
Speaker 2: it's almost like its skids a lot.
Speaker 1: When it grabs on like the second or even third bounce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first bounce, it grabs on like the third bounce.
Speaker 2: So eventually, if you lay it up, I think the
Speaker 2: true experience lays it up as far left as they can.
Speaker 1: And so that was the second time you'd played it.
Speaker 1: So this is something this is an example of like
Speaker 1: the course hadn't fully revealed itself.
Speaker 2: And I I learned it early my second Masters, and
Speaker 2: I always if I had to lay it up, then
Speaker 2: I would go out of my way to lay it
Speaker 2: up as deep to the left as I could even
Speaker 2: in the semi ralf on the left is the first
Speaker 2: cut is better than anywhere on the right, because again
Speaker 2: it's a bit like thirteen. The further left, you either
Speaker 2: flatter your stance, and if you go way left and
Speaker 2: have a distance where you can get some spin, you
Speaker 2: can even to that back left pin or that left pin.
Speaker 2: You can hit a pitch that lands twenty or thirty
Speaker 2: feet kind of right of it, yeah, and kind of
Speaker 2: spins left because it comes back down the hill and
Speaker 2: you can get it, and it's a very receptive type.
Speaker 2: It's a safe way to play the shot. But from
Speaker 2: the right, it's it's really difficult. I mean, it's really
Speaker 2: difficult to describe unless you've been there. But every yard
Speaker 2: you go to the left, the more the more receptive
Speaker 2: the green gets because the more it kind of you're turning,
Speaker 2: it becomes on an upslope.
Speaker 1: It's like when you have like a really fast downhill
Speaker 1: put that moves, how you can slow it down by
Speaker 1: hitting it into the slope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you're hitting it into this, so it's
Speaker 2: like starting the ball into the wind just slows it down,
Speaker 2: like it's the first bounce is now going to be
Speaker 2: a sensible distance, and again the further left you either
Speaker 2: flattery or stance, so now you can hit a pitch
Speaker 2: with a bit more flight. The green is quite deep
Speaker 2: on the right and really shallow on the left, so
Speaker 2: if you're at the left, you can kind of create
Speaker 2: more green depth by hitting it quite a lot right
Speaker 2: of the pin with all the depth and maybe use
Speaker 2: a bit of backspin to get it so you don't
Speaker 2: really have to risk landing it near the water when
Speaker 2: you're pitching it from the left. But still it is
Speaker 2: I think if you asked guys in the field, if
Speaker 2: it wasn't the t shot on twelve, if they had
Speaker 2: to pitch into fifteen, would be most guys least favorite
Speaker 2: shot in the course of the one they're most trying
Speaker 2: to avoid. I mean, it's inevitable. Usually once in a
Speaker 2: week you're going to have to do it. In some
Speaker 2: weeks four times. I mean Zach Johnson did it four
Speaker 2: times that year, which is outrageously good. In some years,
Speaker 2: it gets long and it's into the wind and guys
Speaker 2: are laying it up a lot, and that's when you
Speaker 2: see cartage. You guys backing the balls off the green
Speaker 2: all the time, And I guess people watching you're like, well,
Speaker 2: why these guys, Why don't these guys just hit it
Speaker 2: past the hole? But over the back is the toughest
Speaker 2: up and down of the masters probably, so it's you're
Speaker 2: damn if you do down. If you don't like it's
Speaker 2: neither option was shorts clearly terminal and long is. I mean,
Speaker 2: Phil's got that shot, but not many. It's a really
Speaker 2: from one or two yards over the back of fifteen,
Speaker 2: it's doable, but it never stops one or two years over.
Speaker 2: It just keeps running down and ten yards over the green.
Speaker 2: You've got that thing that I've been kind of describing
Speaker 2: the whole time. Is that really really slow fringe because
Speaker 2: it's quite steep and the way they cut the grass
Speaker 2: and how fast the greens are, there's some massive speed
Speaker 2: differential between the fringe and the green. So is it
Speaker 2: a one bouncer and check because if you go for
Speaker 2: two or three bounces, it generally doesn't get to the
Speaker 2: green or you've got to hit it so hard to
Speaker 2: skip it through for three bounces that you're risking it
Speaker 2: very easy to just blow it back into the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Bermuda's got a little sticky versus if it
Speaker 1: was fascue, you'd just be able to bump it right out.
Speaker 2: If it was fascual, it would be completely different, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because the speed difference would be less. It's the speed
Speaker 2: differential between green and fringe in shots like that, Plus
Speaker 2: it's quite a significant slope you end up going down,
Speaker 2: like those trees where guys end up down when they
Speaker 2: their four irons they catch the swirly wind. And that's
Speaker 2: another one where the wind really plays tricks. That second
Speaker 2: shot of fifteen or whatever reason. Maybe it's the ponds
Speaker 2: or the water or quite a lot of open space
Speaker 2: around there. The wind is very hard to get right
Speaker 2: or to trust.
Speaker 1: Chipping from back to the right side of the green,
Speaker 1: is that easier than Yeah, everything on that side of
Speaker 1: the green, there's really hard.
Speaker 2: Everything on the right hand side of the green as
Speaker 2: you play the hole from the tee is it's easier
Speaker 2: to go to that side from everywhere because behind it,
Speaker 2: even from behind it the ones on the left, those
Speaker 2: pins on the left. From behind it, it's as I said,
Speaker 2: it seems to slope from front to back over there.
Speaker 2: But it's such a shallower part of the green, and
Speaker 2: you generally when you're chipping from over the green. If
Speaker 2: the pin is left, you're right of the pin. No
Speaker 2: one really misses that left of the pin on fifteen
Speaker 2: when the pin's on the left because everyone's giving it
Speaker 2: air to the right. So if you're twenty feet right
Speaker 2: of the pin and ten yards over the green for
Speaker 2: that left pin, you've got a pitch. You've got that
Speaker 2: pitch where you've got to get the bounces right or
Speaker 2: do the fill super flop thing, and it's going to
Speaker 2: hit and break straight to the rights. It's a it's
Speaker 2: just a really hard shot.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen You're not the only guy that
Speaker 1: had that whole bitum with like Sergio last year, Cabrera
Speaker 1: a couple of years Cabrera played it like I say,
Speaker 1: ten over the whole week, and you made the cut somehow.
Speaker 1: But then you go sixteen, he's sixteen. You said that
Speaker 1: that hole may have been your favorite Master's moment ever
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven Fast sixteen. There's two days where it's the
Speaker 2: funnest hole of the course, and there's two days when
Speaker 2: it's the least fun hole. Right, just the pins, the
Speaker 2: two low pins, generally Thursday and Sunday are really fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, historically everybody knows the shot on Sunday and
Speaker 2: Thursdays really is similar to anywhere thirty or forty feet
Speaker 2: right of the pin, it's going to go towards.
Speaker 1: It's kind of where a lot of bars end up
Speaker 1: on Sunday is Thursday Thursday's pin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really fun and it's a famous shot,
Speaker 2: and it legitimately feels like if I can throw this
Speaker 2: out in that twenty thirty foot area somewhere out in
Speaker 2: the right, I'm a hold in one chance for a
Speaker 2: real chance to get it close here. Because it's one
Speaker 2: of those funnel pins, it just all seems to go
Speaker 2: towards that Sunday pin and Thursdays, like you said, the
Speaker 2: Sunday when they guys just kind of maybe come out
Speaker 2: of it a little bit and hit that kind of
Speaker 2: weak high thing, it still rolls back down the slope
Speaker 2: and it ends up where Thursday's pin is. So those
Speaker 2: days are really fun. Friday and Saturday pins generally that
Speaker 2: front right on Friday and the background on Saturday excruciatingly
Speaker 2: difficult one. The front right one on both areas again
Speaker 2: maybe six twelve foot circles, maybe six foot from the
Speaker 2: hole on Friday to stay up there in a good spot,
Speaker 2: and if you don't, you're either down the hill or
Speaker 2: you miss the green in the right and just off
Speaker 2: the right edge is okay for that Friday pin. That
Speaker 2: front right one and that front right bunk is not
Speaker 2: too bad. It's not great, it's not too bad, but
Speaker 2: generally you end up with that thirty forty foot er
Speaker 2: up the hill. And if the front right pin, if
Speaker 2: you're you've got to be careful not to miss it
Speaker 2: very much past pin high. If you're shorter pin high,
Speaker 2: that front right pin, it's a pretty much just a
Speaker 2: straight bang up the hill. It's not incredibly difficult, but
Speaker 2: every yard you get past the pin left down the
Speaker 2: bottom tier putting with that front right one, the putt
Speaker 2: can break fifteen twenty feet. You've got to it's really
Speaker 2: kind of severe because now you're putting across the tier
Speaker 2: a little bit and the tear just sweeps it to
Speaker 2: the right, and it's really easy to just have it
Speaker 2: leave it back down and put it down to the
Speaker 2: front edge.
Speaker 1: And if you miss left, it usually goes long.
Speaker 2: If you miss left, it goes along right. So again
Speaker 2: this is a genius and Augusta. It's it's really difficult
Speaker 2: to miss that one where you miss it, so you
Speaker 2: really can't where you want to miss it, so you
Speaker 2: really can't try to miss it. You really just have
Speaker 2: to like try to hit the great shot. You really do.
Speaker 2: It's always within, always with it in your mind. You
Speaker 2: don't want to be twenty five feet past the hole
Speaker 2: in the bottom tier because if you put it from
Speaker 2: from Sunday's pin to Friday's pin would be a one
Speaker 2: in ten two part. I would say, it's a part
Speaker 2: that would break twenty or thirty feet and the last
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty feet of it is straight down the hill. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really really tough, but you manage it because it's usually
Speaker 2: the front tee on Friday and it's like the nine
Speaker 2: nine or something, and if you're playing well, it sounds
Speaker 2: crazy to people, But if you're playing well in the
Speaker 2: masses and you're contending getting it within six or ten
Speaker 2: feet of the hole with a nine nine, isn't that outrageous?
Speaker 2: Like a prospect? Now, the pin on the Saturday pin
Speaker 2: that Nicholas and seventy five pin, it is an incredibly
Speaker 2: small area. I mean anything left of the pin, anything
Speaker 2: is going down the hill to Sunday's pin. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many balls can land left of that and
Speaker 2: stay up. It's an amazingly slopey green and it's a
Speaker 2: really really small area. You can hit it right of
Speaker 2: the pin and it'll stay there. But if you're hitting
Speaker 2: that right bunker, you're not going to make You're going
Speaker 2: to have to two part from forty feet for bogie.
Speaker 1: And rate of it. It's a nervy shot because you know,
Speaker 1: anything past it's.
Speaker 2: Gone, anything past it's gone. Yeah, it's just an incredibly
Speaker 2: small area. It's just one of those the Augusta on
Speaker 2: every green, really not every green, but at least half
Speaker 2: twelve of the greens have some incredibly tiny areas that
Speaker 2: them in. The high pin on six is the same,
Speaker 2: and four fourteen have these really really small it's like
Speaker 2: a blank a picnic blanket. To hit it into it.
Speaker 2: If you don't, you're going to have a long tu part.
Speaker 2: So that's pressure on the shot and against that same
Speaker 2: sort of feeling. The only way you can really hit
Speaker 2: a great shot there onto those really small pins, to
Speaker 2: hit those really precise shots is to swing it free
Speaker 2: and loose, and it's hard to get into a free
Speaker 2: and loose mindset. When you know all the bad things
Speaker 2: that can have you get protective, and the protective swing
Speaker 2: usually goes short and it dribbles down the tier and
Speaker 2: then you've got this again, an incredibly slow part that
Speaker 2: Nicholas up the hill and then seventy five part. You've
Speaker 2: got to hit it really, really hard, with the idea
Speaker 2: that you don't want to hit anywhere past the whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't want to coming back to your feet.
Speaker 2: Which we've seen a lot. Yeah. I mean I don't
Speaker 2: show that sort of stuff on TV that much, but
Speaker 2: it happens during the tournament. Quite a lot of guys
Speaker 2: will part up to that pin and it'll just roll
Speaker 2: back to your feet. It's incredible. And then Sunday and
Speaker 2: then it's the funnest pin in golf. It's brilliant fun.
Speaker 1: With the way they set it up. Sunday it's ingenious too,
Speaker 1: because twelve it's in the toughest location on the green,
Speaker 1: and sixteen they give you a chance to score it
Speaker 1: coming out.
Speaker 2: It's the easiest location. I mean, coming in thirteen is
Speaker 2: in probably one of the easiest spots on the green.
Speaker 2: But you've got to hit an incredibly two incredibly high
Speaker 2: quality shots to have that ego part. And if you do,
Speaker 2: you you earn it. You know, you really earn it.
Speaker 2: Fifteen you earn your ego part, you really do. You've
Speaker 2: got to. If you're hanging on and you're nervous and
Speaker 2: you hit fifteen green into you, you deserve everything. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is a really tough thing to do. Sixteen. It
Speaker 2: gives you a chance to make up for something you
Speaker 2: might have done on fifteen, and it gives you a
Speaker 2: chance to kind of solidify your advantage or continue your
Speaker 2: good stuff. And it's what a spectator hole. I mean
Speaker 2: that there couldn't be many better places to watch golf
Speaker 2: than sixteen on Sunday, the Masters, I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have twenty five balls when they land you think might
Speaker 2: go in. Quite often, it seems the last ten years
Speaker 2: there's been one or two hole in ones. I've been
Speaker 2: quite regularly. Every couple of years. It seems like we
Speaker 2: have a couple that's another one of those holes. It
Speaker 2: feels like they have that pin so dialed in that
Speaker 2: if they want hole in ones, they can almost orchestrate
Speaker 2: them almost they can move it four inches one four
Speaker 2: inches one way, or are the four inch one it
Speaker 2: doesn't go in four inches the other way that's the
Speaker 2: one where it might go in. It's incredible. And then again,
Speaker 2: if you hit the smart shot and you can somewhat
Speaker 2: get it under the hole, it's a relatively easy part.
Speaker 2: But if you've had it pass the hole, it's just
Speaker 2: a part. Again. I mean, you can make the put
Speaker 2: break as much as you want. I mean Tiger's chip,
Speaker 2: so if you're on the back left edge of the green,
Speaker 2: you could hit it kind of straight with a bit
Speaker 2: of speed, or you can make the put break thirty
Speaker 2: feet if you wanted to. You know, it's just one
Speaker 2: of those crazy situations. But what a hole and what
Speaker 2: an environment and the whole the whole setting there. It's
Speaker 2: just and that's the meat end of the business end
Speaker 2: of the tournament. That's usually when there's it's quite close
Speaker 2: to the fifteenth green, so you're very aware of what
Speaker 2: the people are doing on fifteen when you're playing sixteen
Speaker 2: and vice versa, and there's always action and activity.
Speaker 1: I wonder whether if there's like a correlation between the
Speaker 1: guy that hits the great shout on fifteen coming right
Speaker 1: into six because I always feel like the run comes
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen. I think it's really hard for a guy
Speaker 1: to in very I don't think a lot of guys
Speaker 1: have ever done it where they've you know, there are
Speaker 1: guys that have done it. But you get on those
Speaker 1: runs in golf, like you run through twelve, thirteen, four,
Speaker 1: then fifteen you make style, but then then there's the
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go three to two, you've seen that,
Speaker 2: and you can go three to seven, four, three to one.
Speaker 2: It's a It's an incredible place in tournament golf. Maybe
Speaker 2: kind of the coolest spot because again sixteen, if you
Speaker 2: sat on sixteen on Sunday, you can see fifteen generally
Speaker 2: for most seats probably, so you're you're very aware of
Speaker 2: two of maybe the most pivotal holes on the course.
Speaker 2: They're right in front of you. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep thinking about Sergio where he made that
Speaker 1: great part on thirteen and then fifteen. Hit a close
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen here really close, but didn't make the put.
Speaker 1: That's a tough put if you're past it.
Speaker 2: If your past it is incredibly difficult. If you're four feet, yeah,
Speaker 2: four feet, it breaks a lot. I mean, no one
Speaker 2: likes to hit four foot as much outside the hole,
Speaker 2: but you really have to just trust that it's going
Speaker 2: to break and you've got to hit it a foot
Speaker 2: outside of the hole, almost even more. Maybe sometimes it's
Speaker 2: a and again it's in the shadows. It's in the shade.
Speaker 2: You can't quite see it as clearly. You're very aware
Speaker 2: that if you let it go low, it's going to
Speaker 2: go six or eight feet past, even at no speed,
Speaker 2: very very to make the hole in one. To hit
Speaker 2: it really really close, you have to almost get it
Speaker 2: past the hole, off the tee to the right and
Speaker 2: have it come back towards it. But again, if you
Speaker 2: pull that a little bit, you're going to be long
Speaker 2: down where Tiger was or even at the back edge
Speaker 2: of the green, and you've got your You've got your
Speaker 2: work cut out just two punting.
Speaker 1: Did you play seventeen with Ay's in horror Tree?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, what was the fact of losing that?
Speaker 2: Ah, it looks quite a lot wider, But effectively, I
Speaker 2: don't think it changed it for us too much because
Speaker 2: we were generally flying eyes and how tree. By the
Speaker 2: time I played it, we were hitting the one after
Speaker 2: the one that said now or the there was a
Speaker 2: one after it that I think they planted thirty years
Speaker 2: after the eyes now tree. But that became the problem
Speaker 2: for us because it was the now tree was quite short,
Speaker 2: not quite short, but we could mostly fly it, but
Speaker 2: it was visually less intimidating when it was gone. Again, relatively,
Speaker 2: I mean the trees on the right they got introduced
Speaker 2: at some point ninety eight, was it or two thousand
Speaker 2: and five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those two.
Speaker 2: Five relatively easy t shirt, but it's a T shirt
Speaker 2: that gets your attention. And again it's another one on us.
Speaker 2: You really want to hit it hard and hit a
Speaker 2: good one because uphill, it's uphill, the ball's not going
Speaker 2: to run anywhere, and you get a big advantage for
Speaker 2: getting it to a certain distance because it's on the
Speaker 2: flat and the ball runs out a bit. But if
Speaker 2: it flies ten yard short or it just hits and stops,
Speaker 2: you can have a semi blind six sign into a green.
Speaker 1: That's from an up slope, from an up.
Speaker 2: Slope that, yeah, seventeen might be my favorite green on
Speaker 2: the course, just because I like the green. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you don't want a six sign, that's semi blind.
Speaker 2: And again, the wind is kind of whistling there's no
Speaker 2: trees anywhere to the right of the green. Say, the
Speaker 2: trees on the right of the fairway kind of end
Speaker 2: one hundred yards short of the green. So it feels
Speaker 2: like one of those spots where the wind can kind
Speaker 2: of whistle through and over the back. Again, it's an
Speaker 2: interesting green. Over the back of the right hand side
Speaker 2: is completely terrible. So when the pins are on the
Speaker 2: right half of the green, you have to miss it
Speaker 2: short of the green or short of the pin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And if the pins are on the left, you want
Speaker 2: to miss it past the hole. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: front to back green on the right, and it's a
Speaker 2: it's a back to front green on the right, and
Speaker 2: it's a front to back green on the left.
Speaker 1: It's actually one of the rare holes that work works
Speaker 1: against the lefty the green. Yeah, And so you can't
Speaker 1: really tell the wind when Rose was coming down that
Speaker 1: Sergio masters I remember Rose ended up in that front
Speaker 1: bunker to that back pin. On Sunday, there's death. This
Speaker 1: such a hard shot to hit all the way there.
Speaker 2: It is tough because again you are so conscious of
Speaker 2: over the back. Yeah, Scott hook that incredible shot nine
Speaker 2: nine from over the back what four or five feet
Speaker 2: that is. That's again it's a one in ten up
Speaker 2: and down from mine, and that's really high the back
Speaker 2: right hand side of the green and it runs down
Speaker 2: to the eighteenth tee, so it can really go a
Speaker 2: long way below the level of the surface of the
Speaker 2: green again up one of those really slow hills onto
Speaker 2: a really fast down slope. So a lot of people
Speaker 2: hit it in that front right bunker because they're just
Speaker 2: if you're between clubs, you have to pick the shorter one.
Speaker 2: You can't cruise on the longer one. You just can't
Speaker 2: because you just you can get it up and down
Speaker 2: from the front right. It's really difficult, but you can,
Speaker 2: but you just basically can't from long right. So you'll
Speaker 2: see a lot of balls either in that front bunker
Speaker 2: for those right side pins or like running off that
Speaker 2: kind of falsy front on the extreme right of the green,
Speaker 2: and that's a relatively easy up and down, so it's
Speaker 2: it's all relative on the seventeenth hold the masters, but
Speaker 2: you can do it from there, and you don't really
Speaker 2: want to be on the left hand side of the
Speaker 2: green because that's one of the greens where the whole
Speaker 2: raised creek is the low part of the course. Phenomenon
Speaker 2: is very evident. The put from the left hand side
Speaker 2: of seventeen to the right, it's it seems like an
Speaker 2: uphill part, but it's actually quite downhill. But at least
Speaker 2: it plays downhill because of the grain or the slope
Speaker 2: or raised creek or whatever it is. So you got
Speaker 2: that twenty foot of from thirty foot to forty foot
Speaker 2: from left that you feel like you have to bash,
Speaker 2: but you actually have to hit it quite a lot
Speaker 2: softer than you think. And that's when it looks uphill.
Speaker 2: Your brain gets confused when it's downhill. Now it looks uphill,
Speaker 2: but it isn't really. It might be flat, it might
Speaker 2: not be downhill, but it's certainly not uphill as it looks.
Speaker 1: That's where not having like the contour books is so
Speaker 1: big now, because.
Speaker 2: That would just tell you it's that way, That would
Speaker 2: tell you that's way. But I still think there's an
Speaker 2: element that the green books that they just you can
Speaker 2: like logically see that it's not uphill, that it's downhill,
Speaker 2: but your brain still sees what it sees, and it
Speaker 2: sees uphill. You know. That's the topic a little bit
Speaker 2: of an optical that green sometimes so it's a seventy
Speaker 2: is a really incredibly difficult, difficult green. I mean that
Speaker 2: back left pin I think they did it on Friday
Speaker 2: is a really fun pin because you can kind of
Speaker 2: filter things down in towards it, and you can miss
Speaker 2: it just over the green. You see a lot of
Speaker 2: guys will chip it in from just over the back.
Speaker 2: The whole shots from just over the back. So the
Speaker 2: left pin short is bad, long is good, the right
Speaker 2: pin short is good, long as bad again, completely changing
Speaker 2: the way you approach the second shot just by moving
Speaker 2: the pin, which is again it happens all the way
Speaker 2: around the court.
Speaker 1: That's it's neat this variety too, with how it with
Speaker 1: the other holes on the back where you know long
Speaker 1: left is mostly dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, long generally is dead, but augusta in four or
Speaker 2: five spots is kind of sneaky, and that it doesn't
Speaker 2: look like long would be decent. But in some situations
Speaker 2: long is actually pretty good and short is actually awful,
Speaker 2: And fourteen is fourteen is definitely like that, and seventeen
Speaker 2: on the left hand side is definitely like that too.
Speaker 2: I mean short on seventeen isn't on the left is
Speaker 2: an awful but it's markedly easier from past the pin
Speaker 2: on that left pin.
Speaker 1: If you didn't hit any of the greens, but we're
Speaker 1: in all the right spots, it would be pretty easy
Speaker 1: to shoot around part right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a nice chipper and you've got a
Speaker 2: decent short game, it doesn't present anything other than just
Speaker 2: a relatively normal challenge from the right miss on every hole,
Speaker 2: for every pin. There is a correct miss for every
Speaker 2: hole and every pin. It's just really difficult to work
Speaker 2: out what that miss is because it's not often what
Speaker 2: you think, and it's they're difficult spots to hit it into.
Speaker 2: It's it's often difficult to work out where the miss
Speaker 2: is at the master's and it's always difficult to miss
Speaker 2: it there. It's always difficult to miss it in the
Speaker 2: right spot.
Speaker 1: Hard to figure out, and then even harder to get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not always. They If you put the
Speaker 2: easy pin on every green, there's eight or nine pins
Speaker 2: that if you're hitting it well, you're going to have
Speaker 2: lots of short birdy parts. But there is five or
Speaker 2: six really hard pins on every single green that you
Speaker 2: could if they really wanted to, they could get the
Speaker 2: whole film shoot over par in the day. I think
Speaker 2: really if they really like went to the hardest pin
Speaker 2: on every green, it'd be incredibly difficult.
Speaker 1: Shoot underpath Yeah, hard Pendeeah. Battle of Attrition is eighteenth
Speaker 1: T shirt as claustrophobic as it looks.
Speaker 2: It's very narrow, and I've seen Jordan's it last year.
Speaker 2: He caught that tree right and it kind of stopped
Speaker 2: his great round, A bit of a black, a little
Speaker 2: bit of a I don't know, sad finish to an
Speaker 2: incredible run race shots. Did shoot sixty four, sixty four,
Speaker 2: shot sixty four with bog line and he caught that tree. Now,
Speaker 2: I've seen guys do in practice, and I think I've
Speaker 2: done a couple of guys doing the tournament, But generally
Speaker 2: it's probably wider than it appears. It's a very narrow
Speaker 2: kind of corridor and it's a tough T shot. But
Speaker 2: for me it was always one of my more comfortable
Speaker 2: T shots on the course because my miss is right,
Speaker 2: not left. My miss was always a kind of a
Speaker 2: week kind of drift to the right. If I didn't
Speaker 2: like really smash it, it would be not right, but
Speaker 2: drifting just kind of right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Feeders eat hookers eat hamburger.
Speaker 2: There you go. So and after they made it longer,
Speaker 2: I struggled to get it to the bunkers. It's two
Speaker 2: ninety or three hundred uphill to that bunker and a
Speaker 2: fair way that really it rolls about three yards because
Speaker 2: it's well, it's really steep uphill. You saw and bounce
Speaker 2: a bit more on the old days. But when they
Speaker 2: kind of started cutting every fairway back towards the tea
Speaker 2: like that, it just took it just took enough off
Speaker 2: the first bounce, so it just pretty much hits and
Speaker 2: stops on eighteen. So for me, I just aimed at
Speaker 2: the bunkers and smashed it as I could, and generally
Speaker 2: if I missed it, that would just drift off to
Speaker 2: the right middle of the fairway, and if I had
Speaker 2: it straight then it probably didn't get to the bunker.
Speaker 2: And I was fine. But the second shot I've found
Speaker 2: really difficult because again, so.
Speaker 1: That's a really hard driving hall for a gay that
Speaker 1: hiss the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Fleetwood Macaroi, that's a tough shot. Like these
Speaker 2: big drawers who struggle to move the ball left right.
Speaker 2: Jason Day, he's three wood. He doesn't really love moving
Speaker 2: the ball left right as much as he does the
Speaker 2: other way. These guys, it's quite tricky. And again the
Speaker 2: longer you get, the harder it gets. The really long
Speaker 2: guys really have to be wary of those bunkers because
Speaker 2: they're deep and they're no fun. You can hit it
Speaker 2: on the green out of them, but you just much
Speaker 2: prefer not to be in them.
Speaker 1: Seventeen is better for a fader too right to certain.
Speaker 2: Extent, probably, yeah, I mean no, especially well Eisenhow's tree
Speaker 2: kind of makes you want h to draw? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: there's again some bit of overhang on the left off
Speaker 2: the tee on seventeen to someone who's sit in the
Speaker 2: big fade. So, I mean it looks like you want
Speaker 2: to draw it off of seventeenth tee. It doesn't really.
Speaker 2: You don't need to hit it either way. On seven
Speaker 2: you can hit whichever T shirt you want, but it's
Speaker 2: your eye gets drawn to hitting a draw. Eighteen is
Speaker 2: definitely not a draw T shirt. And the second shot
Speaker 2: I was found difficult because it's a really extreme upside.
Speaker 2: You're hitting it off and hitting it up a long hill.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's one sixty, you got to the pin.
Speaker 2: It's playing one seventy five, like it's playing a lot
Speaker 2: longer than a measures and it's off up slopes. Again,
Speaker 2: my miss, particularly off upslopes. If I missed it, I
Speaker 2: missed it right. And so you miss it in that
Speaker 2: right bunker, which is very rarely a good spot. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's okay to the back right pin, oh, that kind
Speaker 2: of the back pins, but to that sunday pin, that
Speaker 2: right bunker, it seems like it would be the miss.
Speaker 2: But it's a really, really tough shot.
Speaker 1: Do you think that upslopes? The upslop's the hardest one
Speaker 1: to manage your distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, because it wants you to go short right
Speaker 2: the ball goes up in the air and ends up short,
Speaker 2: and that's one of that you don't want to be
Speaker 2: short there either. I mean it's again, there isn't a
Speaker 2: good miss on eighteen on the green. Maybe over the
Speaker 2: back on the back tier. You know, the guys just
Speaker 2: dribble the puts out of the fringe and roll it
Speaker 2: down to the hole. You see. Most guys get it
Speaker 2: up and down from over the back on eighteen. They're
Speaker 2: into that back then, but left of the green on
Speaker 2: eighteen runs down into the patrons, and that's an awful
Speaker 2: kind of spot to be and that right bunker. As
Speaker 2: I said, it's no guarantee you look off a good lie.
Speaker 2: If you could find a bit of an upslope and
Speaker 2: a good lie, it would be relatively simple bunker shot
Speaker 2: for most two guys to get it up and down
Speaker 2: from that right bunker. But you generally don't end up
Speaker 2: on the upslope, but a really perfect lie you end
Speaker 2: up on the flat or a downslope. And it's the
Speaker 2: last hole we've be around at the Masters, and you
Speaker 2: really just want to get in and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people around, and that's not really the shot you love.
Speaker 2: But again that front pin on eighteen that we've historically
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people make birdie where people hold
Speaker 2: that putt from the Marko mirror partn all those parts
Speaker 2: from twenty feet right of the pin. You've got probably
Speaker 2: a thirty foot circle to hit it like depth and width,
Speaker 2: and you'll have that part. You'll run up the tier,
Speaker 2: run back, or it'll just land and roll in. That
Speaker 2: spot will generally end up there, But if you miss
Speaker 2: that thirty foot circle, you're going to have some problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that it is like anything. It's the whole theme
Speaker 1: of the place. If you hit it in the race spart,
Speaker 1: you've got a good look.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And some days, the birdie days or the days
Speaker 2: they set up for people to go low, or the
Speaker 2: hole the specific holes when they set up to go low,
Speaker 2: you've got massive circles of areas to hit it into
Speaker 2: and the ball will go towards a hole, and then
Speaker 2: the very next day they move the pin twenty feet
Speaker 2: across theales. How they're green, and you've got absolutely minuscule
Speaker 2: targets to keep it near the hole, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 2: it repels fifty feet away from the hole all day.
Speaker 2: So it's it really is a course that just purely
Speaker 2: by the pimp positions, they can completely change the way
Speaker 2: you feel about your swing, the way you are, the
Speaker 2: putch you're going to have. It's it's every hole can
Speaker 2: play difficult, and generally most holes, not all holes, but
Speaker 2: most holes could play somewhat easy with simple pins or
Speaker 2: the fun funnel pins and the repelling pins. I mean,
Speaker 2: every hole complay just so brutally difficult. And again the
Speaker 2: genius again usually is it makes you tight and scared
Speaker 2: to miss it, and that's when you don't hit precise shots,
Speaker 2: hit in precise shots. When you do that, and that's
Speaker 2: where it catches you out. That's why you see guys
Speaker 2: like Phil and Phil win the tournament a lot because
Speaker 2: they've got that cavalier win or it doesn't matter kind
Speaker 2: of attitude. And that really is the only way to
Speaker 2: kind of truly contend that the Masses consistently is to
Speaker 2: be a little bit cavalier about it. You've got to
Speaker 2: play well, you can't miss it, but it rewards free
Speaker 2: swinging aggression.
Speaker 1: Is a great way to put it. It's that close.
Speaker 1: It kind of tightens up after sixteen, where it's a
Speaker 1: little tough clothes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. With the traditional
Speaker 2: Sunday pins, you have every chance to have four birdies
Speaker 2: in a row there or twenty eleven. I birdied twelve
Speaker 2: through sixteen. Actually you got every chance. Then you stand
Speaker 2: on the seventeen and you are you are earning your
Speaker 2: two pars. Like if you have to pile the last
Speaker 2: two holes to win the Masses, and you do, every
Speaker 2: golfer's ever played there is going to take their hat
Speaker 2: off and go well done. They are not easy pass.
Speaker 2: Seventeen is not round not that long and guys have
Speaker 2: relatively short shots in there. But it's one of those
Speaker 2: ropel pins where you really don't have a very big
Speaker 2: area to hit it in two and if you don't
Speaker 2: hit it in that area, you're going to have a
Speaker 2: really tough time making par and eighteen is kind of
Speaker 2: similar to that front pin. It's a very arniable pin,
Speaker 2: but if you miss that area, you're gonna have an
Speaker 2: awful time making power.
Speaker 1: My question, they you know, have tabled if you flip
Speaker 1: the flip the nines when they were originally done the
Speaker 1: way the first two tournaments were played would have been
Speaker 1: the front nine at the back nine and you'd almost
Speaker 1: have the reverse effect of the nines where you're really
Speaker 1: tough holes would be the middle of the back nine.
Speaker 1: But then the last three with seven being a short
Speaker 1: part four par five short part four would be almost
Speaker 1: a different dynamic, right it would.
Speaker 2: I think it would be completely different. And again, whether
Speaker 2: this was the genius of Robertson Jones kind of just
Speaker 2: seeing that, or they liked the logistics of it, or
Speaker 2: they liked the feel of the first hole rather than
Speaker 2: the tenth as a first hole, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: the tenth would be a beautiful first T shot. You know,
Speaker 2: everyone gets it running it down the hill and.
Speaker 1: It's really wide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they're both nice first holes, right, Actually they're
Speaker 2: both tricky holes, but nice T shots to get the
Speaker 2: field away again, either serendipitous or genius or a bit
Speaker 2: of both, you know, just this kind of sense and
Speaker 2: feeling that, you know what, there's more drama on this
Speaker 2: back nine, as we know it than there is on
Speaker 2: the other one. I mean, seven eight nine, there's there's drama,
Speaker 2: but there's no water, there's probably no doubles, there's there's
Speaker 2: no real double bogies. You know, the score thirteen is
Speaker 2: legitimately four to seven, the score three to seven, scoring
Speaker 2: rate fourteen is three four and five. Maybe even a
Speaker 2: six fifteen is three four five six seven. Sixteen is
Speaker 2: two to five. You know, as much more dramatic swing
Speaker 2: as you're going to get in the scores through those holes,
Speaker 2: and seven eight nine you could get par birdie par
Speaker 2: really really regularly. You probably won't see many doubles on seven,
Speaker 2: you'll see no doubles on one. The whole nine you
Speaker 2: can mess up, but it's a pretty wide fair way,
Speaker 2: and really, if you had to make par you can
Speaker 2: find a way to just kind of miss it long
Speaker 2: right of the pin and just find a way to
Speaker 2: make par right. But there's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. You
Speaker 2: can be six under or six over with a few
Speaker 2: bad swings or a few good swings. I guess the
Speaker 2: drama that's what makes the Masters is the swings and
Speaker 2: the drama, like the you're never too far back. Really
Speaker 2: with five or six holes to play on the front,
Speaker 2: you would be.
Speaker 1: The only other course that's got that kind of three
Speaker 1: whole dynamic on the back is Sawgrass with sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
Speaker 2: Sawgrass does it well too. I mean that was again
Speaker 2: the genius of peat Die. It was sixteen. It's three
Speaker 2: to seven, right, I mean it's but it's eagle to double.
Speaker 2: Seventeen is two to whatever you want, and eighteen is
Speaker 2: maybe the hardest stadium hole anywhere in the world. So
Speaker 2: you you get a chance to kind of solidify your
Speaker 2: score on sixteen, and it's just you can maybe make
Speaker 2: a Burtie on seventeen with a good shot, but you
Speaker 2: can have a train wre because the nerve most nervous
Speaker 2: where John You're ever going to have an eighteen it's
Speaker 2: just two of the best shots you've ever hit, or
Speaker 2: even a misagreen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then with the US Open, where you have
Speaker 1: the long rough, it just mutes the dispersion of scores.
Speaker 2: I think you you end up the US Opens, at
Speaker 2: least in my lifetime have been hang on for dear
Speaker 2: life and my one I was the only one to
Speaker 2: part of the last four holes in the last eight
Speaker 2: groups or something like. It's so the guy who made
Speaker 2: the most pars is the guy who won the tournament
Speaker 2: the Masters. That's never going to be the case.
Speaker 1: That dynamic of seventeen eighteen and Augusta is like the
Speaker 1: last sex at US Op.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the first, it's the last eighteen.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. It's just the perfect golf course,
Speaker 2: along with a perfect venue and conditioning and history and
Speaker 2: tradition and everything else. It's the perfect kind of in
Speaker 2: the middle of the back nine. You start the back
Speaker 2: nine like you pay attention, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 2: here's your chance. And then it's like, well, now you've
Speaker 2: taken your chance. Now you got to you've got to
Speaker 2: prove it. You've got to like reconcile your score or
Speaker 2: solidify your score, or you know you're not. You don't
Speaker 2: get away that easy. You know you've got to You
Speaker 2: can't just go five under from thirteen to sixteen and
Speaker 2: then just like fake your way in. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: going to four real golf shots in the last two
Speaker 2: in sixteen.
Speaker 1: Is the one place on the entire back nine really
Speaker 1: where you can you can hit a shot that might
Speaker 1: be average and have it turnout really good.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And there's a few again those big, those
Speaker 2: big bucket pins or those kind of you would say
Speaker 2: not repelling pins, the ones that are the balls. The
Speaker 2: pin seems to attract the ball. There's that low one
Speaker 2: on seven that they use, is the bottom one on six,
Speaker 2: There's the low one on sixt there's that middle one
Speaker 2: on fourteen. There's there's a bunch of holes out there nine.
Speaker 2: That kind of front pin. Guys can hit it pretty
Speaker 2: close from anywhere around at the border seems to get
Speaker 2: attracted towards the pin. There's a lot of opportunity if
Speaker 2: you're hitting good shots to hit it inside ten feet
Speaker 2: eight times in a day, but with shots that aren't
Speaker 2: really normally wouldn't be inside ten feet anywhere else, but
Speaker 2: you have a lot of times that week where you
Speaker 2: could hit shots that would normally be ten feet that
Speaker 2: they're fifty feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the contour. Is what's the amazing thing?
Speaker 1: Is it? A dog talked about it, and a part
Speaker 1: of Tom dok about the how he wishes as some
Speaker 1: of us. Course he coupit signs and bumps. They said, like,
Speaker 1: if you're reading this around the roank side of this contour, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's like what you were talking about with fifteen,
Speaker 1: when you're coming from the rate totally on the rong
Speaker 1: side of that versus the left if you're coming in
Speaker 1: on the on the third chat.
Speaker 2: And there's so much counterintuitive, like almost for the guy
Speaker 2: who understands strategy yet first August is almost harder.
Speaker 1: It tricks you.
Speaker 2: It tricks you because the common logic on fifteen for
Speaker 2: the left pin would be to lay it up down
Speaker 2: the right, which is what I did, and it's just
Speaker 2: completely awful over there. You want to actually be almost
Speaker 2: down in the left rough so and that happens all
Speaker 2: the way around the course like long right on fourteen.
Speaker 2: It's the same. It's kind of counterintuitive. Long left on seventeen.
Speaker 2: Long is generally bad everywhere in the world, right on
Speaker 2: fast green courses. But the third long is doable, suret
Speaker 2: is not. It's and again the slopes, the use of slope.
Speaker 2: The course is on quite a hill. The clubhouse is
Speaker 2: quite a long way above the twelfth Green. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many feet, two hundred feet, it's documented. But
Speaker 2: it's the traversing the slopes. They don't necessarily go straight
Speaker 2: up and down the hills.
Speaker 1: Middle side courses is it gets really repetitive.
Speaker 2: Up they go up and down, whereas Augusta goes across.
Speaker 2: And so the genius of Jones and Mackenzie were and
Speaker 2: everyone else who's had their kind of hands on it.
Speaker 2: Along the way, it's the slope on the fairway almost
Speaker 2: always is the opposite of the shot you want to hit.
Speaker 2: So they built greens that reward shots that the slope
Speaker 2: on the fairway is making you do the other one.
Speaker 2: And it's all the way around the course. It's as
Speaker 2: I said, it's a bit fortunate, and it's great architecture,
Speaker 2: great routing. It's just one of those kind of magic
Speaker 2: kind of coming togethers of things that just makes it
Speaker 2: really really work, and it provides an incredible golf course.
Speaker 2: For the average person to play. I mean, it would
Speaker 2: be as fun as everybody thinks it really would, because
Speaker 2: the adien handicapper once you kind of if he could
Speaker 2: get his nerves out of the way and get out
Speaker 2: of the fact that he's at the Masters, play it
Speaker 2: two or three times, sensibly he would be shooting his
Speaker 2: handicap or under it every time, with a good caddy
Speaker 2: who told him where to hit it. You can keep
Speaker 2: it out of trouble all day if you want. There's
Speaker 2: almost no force carries really, and mean twelves a forced carry,
Speaker 2: but it's a pretty short hole and fifteen you could
Speaker 2: even go around it if you wanted to. There's no
Speaker 2: real forced carries. There's no ruugh off the tee. You
Speaker 2: can hit the ball along the ground all day except
Speaker 2: for probably twelve fifteen, and you could play your handicap
Speaker 2: pretty comfortably and have a really good day. But as
Speaker 2: soon as you start trying to break your handicap by much,
Speaker 2: that's when it all gets too hard. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Every day you go on these cycles. You start conservative
Speaker 2: when you get there because you're scared to get it wrong,
Speaker 2: and you gradually realize you've got to get more aggressive,
Speaker 2: more aggresive, more aggressive, and you start thinking, I've got
Speaker 2: this place, I've got this place. And then you get
Speaker 2: aggressive and have an average day and hit a few
Speaker 2: bad shots and you have train wrecks everywhere, and then
Speaker 2: you get all the way back to the beginning and
Speaker 2: you get conservative again, and then you go through that,
Speaker 2: you get more and more confident and more aggressive, and
Speaker 2: then you go back. It just it's just eventually, the
Speaker 2: more aggressive you get that you're just going to get burnt.
Speaker 2: At some point, A guy.
Speaker 1: A batting guy I read, I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 1: I think it was Ben Corley sort of listing rounds
Speaker 1: in the sixties from guys. I think that's because from
Speaker 1: what I'm here, when you push it, if you feel
Speaker 1: it's got to be really hard after you get it
Speaker 1: one day, when you get the court, when you got it,
Speaker 1: you know, you walk off the course you got, I
Speaker 1: really got that. The next day's got to be hard,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you never seem to have the
Speaker 1: same stuff after a really great round.
Speaker 2: No, it's never quite the same as it when you
Speaker 2: have a mid sixties or relatively for everybody like that
Speaker 2: low round that four or five, six, Sunday annakeb or
Speaker 2: your level or whatever it is. The next day is
Speaker 2: really difficult, right, But.
Speaker 1: Then you're trying to get it like you got it yesterday.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. And it's and again, the holes can change
Speaker 2: so much. I mean a lot of them stay, I
Speaker 2: mean six or seven of them stay pretty much the
Speaker 2: same way of the pin is. The first is always
Speaker 2: a tough hole. Whatever happens into the grain. Ten is
Speaker 2: a tough to There's no real eazy pins on ten.
Speaker 2: There's no easy way to play ten. Eleven's the same
Speaker 2: pretty much every day, I mean a little bit different.
Speaker 2: But then you'll get holes like two, which will have
Speaker 2: really crazy tough pins and then really easy pins. And
Speaker 2: you'll get six with just the most outrageous pin high
Speaker 2: on the right and are really really the left hands
Speaker 2: tire the green. You kind of take a breath and
Speaker 2: everybody hits it close, you know. In sixteen, again there's
Speaker 2: the two easiest pins of the week at other masters,
Speaker 2: and the two hardest pins of the week might all
Speaker 2: be on sixteen, you know. And that's genius architecture, really,
Speaker 2: because you get a different challenge every day, and you
Speaker 2: think you've got sixteen worked out well, put the pin
Speaker 2: up the top. You're not gonna have it worked out,
Speaker 2: you know. It's yeah, it's brilliant, it's really good. And
Speaker 2: the variation that the variation in score from hole to
Speaker 2: hole in day to day is the sixty six on
Speaker 2: Thursday is completely different from how you have to do
Speaker 2: a sixty six on Friday because the holes that were
Speaker 2: EASi is show Thursday are probably going to be really
Speaker 2: tough on Friday and vice versa. So it's with the
Speaker 2: exception of thirteen and fifteen, I mean, they're traditionally the
Speaker 2: holes appill make birdies in the path five. But you
Speaker 2: play one hole easy one day and then the next
Speaker 2: day that those those easy ones are hard and the
Speaker 2: hard ones yesterday are a little bit easier. And it's
Speaker 2: a it's the drama, it's the fluctuat, it's the it's
Speaker 2: the range of scores that it makes you shoot on
Speaker 2: each hole that keeps it endlessly interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, endlessly interesting the way. That's a great way to
Speaker 1: describe the masters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And for the master's sake, they have
Speaker 2: there is such their advantage. One of their big advantages
Speaker 2: is they you play a tournament at the same course
Speaker 2: every year, and they pay attention to every single shot.
Speaker 2: There's people watching every part in every shot, and they
Speaker 2: understand their pins to within six inches, and they understand
Speaker 2: the weather and how soft or firmed the fairways are,
Speaker 2: the pace of the greens. They can get their subair system,
Speaker 2: the gronomy at that point, the humidity, the temperature, I mean,
Speaker 2: absolutely everything, and then they can't dictator score, but they
Speaker 2: seem to be able to create the drama that they
Speaker 2: need and the tournament to almost always ends up Sunday
Speaker 2: afternoon with unbelievable fun for the last two or three hours.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just it's an advantage of having the
Speaker 2: same course, but it's it's testament to them and hats
Speaker 2: off that they can actually they pay enough attention and
Speaker 2: they're clever enough and smart enough, and they know the
Speaker 2: game and they understand everything well enough that every year
Speaker 2: on Sunday, even if the first few days it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be a weird master is sure enough.
Speaker 2: It's five of the top ten in the world making
Speaker 2: birdies and eagles on the back nine and doubles coming
Speaker 2: down the stretch, and the sun always seems to come out,
Speaker 2: and it's like the great Shadows, and it's they it's
Speaker 2: the attention to detail that they have and the understanding
Speaker 2: of what they've got and how to and how to.
Speaker 2: They can't, as I said, they can't dictate a score,
Speaker 2: but they seem to be able to dictate a style
Speaker 2: of play, or encourage a style of play, and encourage
Speaker 2: a score line and a level of drama that no
Speaker 2: other tournament of course, seems to be able to do.
Speaker 2: It's a I mean, I say, I'm gushing like a fan,
Speaker 2: but like if the more times you come to the Masters,
Speaker 2: the more you just appreciate what they do. It's just
Speaker 2: an incredible thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's reason why everybody casual go found dey
Speaker 1: Holish is the Master.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going, I mean, I'm going pretty deep
Speaker 2: into this. I mean, it's probably not as complicated or
Speaker 2: as fancy as that. It's just a really great golf
Speaker 2: course that just allows the great players, the great players
Speaker 2: in the world, when they're playing their best, to show
Speaker 2: their skills off and to show they're like how brave
Speaker 2: they are, as I said, that kind of care free aggression,
Speaker 2: you know, like and only the best playing their best
Speaker 2: can play like that, you know, care free aggression. It's
Speaker 2: like Sergio's aida on or whatever it was in the
Speaker 2: fifteen compus. I mean, you wouldn't take that shot on
Speaker 2: at any other course, that exact shot any other tournament ever,
Speaker 2: because it's a ridiculous shot to try to hit like
Speaker 2: close to that pin on the front there. But the Masters,
Speaker 2: it just seems to bring that. They seem to be
Speaker 2: able to bring that out of the best in the world,
Speaker 2: that that kind of take it on like attitude. It's
Speaker 2: just brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it, We're gonna cut it there. That was
Speaker 1: That was awesome. I uh so, I hope everybody enjoys
Speaker 1: this they go watch it. Hopefully we got a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm sure it will be. It usually
Speaker 2: is unless the weather gets kind of weird. But uh
Speaker 2: I could talk about Augusta all day obviously.
Speaker 1: All Right, thanks for coming on.