WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - The Second Nine at Augusta National

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<v Speaker 1>tdomirortrade dot com slash Friday Egg member SIPC. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. Today, I

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<v Speaker 1>am joined by Jeff Ogilvie as we continue our breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>of Augusta National. Today's episode will be all about the

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<v Speaker 1>back nine, and if you missed it, be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>check out yesterday's on the front nine. Without further ado,

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<v Speaker 1>here's Jeff Ogilvie. I miss a green for example, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already upset when I find my ball in the bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a Frida egg

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egggg,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg bride egg.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.

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<v Speaker 1>So you turn, you're making the turn, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>back nine, like, what are you thinking about earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>that back night?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, ten and eleven and twelve, get your attention that

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<v Speaker 2>you certainly think about where you shouldn't, but it's in

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<v Speaker 2>your head. You really want to get through twelve. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in twelve, in good shape, you're having a

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<v Speaker 2>good day. You know good things can happen after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten is arguably, I think the second shot on ten,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you've really smashed one down there long and down

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<v Speaker 2>there and left and got a short one in, is

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the hardest swing on the course for me. Down

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<v Speaker 2>slope ball above your feet, five iron to a green

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<v Speaker 2>that looks minuscule from up there. You're going down a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty steep hill and it's such a beautiful environment. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such a Ten is one of my favorite holes to play.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fun t shot. You're really trying to hit

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<v Speaker 2>a really big draw, but if you don't, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the world. You just get a really

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<v Speaker 2>hard second shot. Every time I part ten, I was happy.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another swing. You have to swing free on

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<v Speaker 2>that second shot on ten because it makes you be

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<v Speaker 2>careful but plays a little bit longer than it looks.

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<v Speaker 2>The green looks tiny, the right bunkers definitely no guarantee,

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<v Speaker 2>and left anything can happen when it bounces down left

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<v Speaker 2>under the Amelia bushes.

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<v Speaker 1>So nine you get the downslope feed lie to slightly

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<v Speaker 1>Alvi green. Then ten you get the downslope hook lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Nine you get a downslope fade lie to a

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<v Speaker 2>green that really it encourages a low fade the lie,

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<v Speaker 2>but the shot requires a high draw. And ten you

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<v Speaker 2>get the low draw lie and the shot really requires

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<v Speaker 2>a high fade. And that's two two holes in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the way that green sits and the bunker that

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<v Speaker 1>eats up that rate, it's brilliant because you got to

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<v Speaker 1>hit something that way, yeah, or else it goes further away.

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<v Speaker 1>And you see that every year, the ball running away

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<v Speaker 1>from the hall that looks like it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>close and then it ends up thirty feet away. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love that idea of really to play ten great.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to faded into tent.

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<v Speaker 2>It just presents like kind of want to and it

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<v Speaker 2>lands a bit softer and it's more receptive where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to draw it off the tee and to fade

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<v Speaker 2>on the second shot. Yeah, ten is brilliant and ten

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<v Speaker 2>is a I mean, it's obviously it's been talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>The green. I guess a fair bit, but that is

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<v Speaker 2>a really really hard green to read. It does some

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious things, and it's always in the shade, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>shade with the odd little patch of sun, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a really intimate spot with the crowd the

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<v Speaker 2>patrons too. It's like it's a it's a brilliant place.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, ten is one of my favorite sort of

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<v Speaker 2>environments to hit golf shots in it and play in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It's just a great feeling hole. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>very happy to make part on ten and eleven clearly

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<v Speaker 2>is it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The most execution oriented hole, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the t shot. It got a lot narrow when

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<v Speaker 2>they put the trees in on the right, But the

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<v Speaker 2>first year they put the trees in it on the right,

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<v Speaker 2>it was narrower and the trees were a bit denser.

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<v Speaker 2>They I don't think they ever actually said that they

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<v Speaker 2>made it wider, but I think they did. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>made it wider on the left, I'm not sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is a very wide fair way even still with

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<v Speaker 2>the trees on the right. It's fifty yards wide. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they posted on Instagram. I'd never seen it before.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen it in that gough digest right up

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<v Speaker 2>where they have all the gain. It used to have

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<v Speaker 2>a principal no center lane bunker. The tea used to

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<v Speaker 2>be behind the tenth green. Yeah, and it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>a dog leg to the right with a center bunker,

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<v Speaker 2>so the narrow side being on the right to get

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<v Speaker 2>the good angle to not have to come over the water.

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<v Speaker 2>And then most people would end up going le after

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<v Speaker 2>the bunker and then having to go across the water.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that would probably be more interesting, but the

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<v Speaker 2>scale and space isn't there for that now, you is,

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<v Speaker 2>two short guys would drive it on the green from

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<v Speaker 2>behind the tenth group now, so now it encourages you

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<v Speaker 2>still to kind of drive it up the right. But

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<v Speaker 2>really eleven, everyone's just trying to hit on the fairway

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone just kind of wants to go thirty forty

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<v Speaker 2>feet right of the pin two part and get out

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<v Speaker 2>of there. Eleven and twelve are really you would take

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<v Speaker 2>four to three there every day and run to the

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<v Speaker 2>thirteenth seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope when you hit it. You know, we see every

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<v Speaker 1>bay bell short rate. What's that pitchhake?

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<v Speaker 2>Really tough? The Larry my shot? Yeah, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if you go over watch practice rounds at

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters, every group that comes through, everybody's sitting the

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<v Speaker 2>toun of those because you know you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there twice and three times, four times in a bad week,

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<v Speaker 2>once in a good week. It's chipping at the Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>The grass is so short and it's generally cut towards

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<v Speaker 2>like where you are, so you're hit into the grain.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not really grainy, but it's enough to

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<v Speaker 2>make you pay attention. Yeah, and it's incredibly quick from

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<v Speaker 2>that's the low point of the course when everybody talks

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<v Speaker 2>about like the grain or the slope or the pitch

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<v Speaker 2>or everything breaks towards the red dot and there's all

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<v Speaker 2>these theories about everything. Everything breaks towards eleventh green and

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<v Speaker 2>the talk green. That's the low point. So that whole

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<v Speaker 2>green is savage towards the pond on the left, So

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<v Speaker 2>you're chipping uphill a little bit, not a lot, but

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<v Speaker 2>enough too a really steep downslope. And the real tricky

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<v Speaker 2>thing at the Masters, and that's probably the spot where

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<v Speaker 2>it's most evident, is the fringes are quite slow and

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<v Speaker 2>the greens are very fast, so you really the best

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<v Speaker 2>way to play is to just get your sixty out

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty six and just get some spin on a

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<v Speaker 2>little pitch and land it on the green and have

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<v Speaker 2>it grab and bribble down. But that's a really scary shot,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with the thin kind of grass or the short

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<v Speaker 2>grass and the water past it.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you see like the greens against you on

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<v Speaker 1>the chip, it just means like if you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to hit that like little fat and have it go

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<v Speaker 1>through and be okay, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It just has to be more precise. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>out and out. A good shot will be good off

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<v Speaker 2>any lie, but it just is less room for error.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't catch that blade of grass before you catch

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, or it's going to go shorter than it

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<v Speaker 2>would if there wasn't the grain issue. And again it's

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<v Speaker 2>not super grainy, and it's a little bit over blown

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing the grass towards the tea, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's just enough to make you pay attention. But so

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<v Speaker 2>you end up maybe doing that one skip like Larry Mace.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it looked a little different than

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<v Speaker 2>his bounce two or three times on that thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>harder to do that now, I think, especially in a

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<v Speaker 2>wet weeak loves. It's one of those things you want

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<v Speaker 2>to the safe players to bump it along the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can get that wrong because the fringe catches

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<v Speaker 2>really fast. It's a bit like over the back of

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen too. The fringe catches the ball really quick. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you force that just a little bit and it

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<v Speaker 2>takes you want three bounces and it only takes two. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to go straight in the pond. So that

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<v Speaker 2>that and the shot from over the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>fifteenth the two wed shots that will get your attention.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really really tricky, but the whole forces you to

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<v Speaker 2>hit it there almost it encourages you to hit it there.

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<v Speaker 2>So because it kind of bail out, that's the bailout.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't want hit in the pond because

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got the drop zone over it. Oh you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to go over the pond again.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like eventually you got to take the pandain

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<v Speaker 1>on both those shots. Like if you if you bail

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<v Speaker 1>right on eleven, you got to take the pand down

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<v Speaker 1>on your third chat and if you bail long on fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>say with your second chart, you've got to take the

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<v Speaker 1>pan down with the chip back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and eleven. I guess it's probab maybe a little

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<v Speaker 2>untalked about. You can't shit it short of the green

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<v Speaker 2>because anything short of the green, there's these big mounds.

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<v Speaker 2>They just mint, they're just perfect. They're like, oh, forty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty forty twenty hours short of the green on the right.

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<v Speaker 2>So anything in that lands short right like where you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to hit it, it just it can. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always, but it can bounce thirty hours to left

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<v Speaker 2>and go in the water. So you can't go five

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<v Speaker 2>yards short of the front edge right, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>where you want to hit it. And it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>course has got that everywhere that oh, this is where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go, but you can't. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make you take this on. You have to take this

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<v Speaker 2>on in some respect, even missing the grain to the right,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to hit it deeper than you want, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to hit it further than you want. It's there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many little suddle things like that out there that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's the probably hit in the right trees.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some gaps through there, and you can get it

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<v Speaker 2>on the green, but you have to take it over

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<v Speaker 2>those mounds. That are short right of the green, and

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<v Speaker 2>if it goes over the mound the wrong way, it

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<v Speaker 2>just runs into the water. So you end up you

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<v Speaker 2>hit those guys who get it all the way out

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<v Speaker 2>of the twelfth teet like they're just way out there

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<v Speaker 2>and people must be watching, what are they doing? But

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<v Speaker 2>you can't risk that front right short of the green

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<v Speaker 2>because it can go in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>So then twelve's got to be scariest shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's other than they say fifteen to second chat,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve is, Yeah, fifteen is a harder shot. Yeah, twelve is.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. It's all mostly in your head. The wind

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<v Speaker 2>can get really weird the kind of middle pin and

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<v Speaker 2>the left pin, and that day they have a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be a pitching wedge, and if it's not

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<v Speaker 2>too windy, it really isn't too difficult. But once the

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<v Speaker 2>pin gets over on that right half of the green

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe there's a little bit there's a one club wind.

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<v Speaker 2>That's and it's true, you have absolutely no clue where

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<v Speaker 2>it's going from. The wind can whistle if it's coming

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<v Speaker 2>from the right way, it can pump down the thirteenth

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<v Speaker 2>fairway and there's a massive wall of trees behind twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>so it seems to come down thirteenth fairway, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of around the bend and hit the trees and almost

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<v Speaker 2>bounce back towards the tee. So all day, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at your wind map or your compass in your

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<v Speaker 2>yardish book, you know it's supposed to be down off

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<v Speaker 2>the left or down off the right or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>it actually one minute out of every three it can

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<v Speaker 2>play into the wind because it's bouncing off that big

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<v Speaker 2>wall of trees and it kind of holds up the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know that. So everyone has a theory about

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the flag on eleven or wait till this

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<v Speaker 2>does that and then hit it. Then I haven't. I've

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<v Speaker 2>said two or three days there two or three situations

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<v Speaker 2>that were just like oh my god, I just what

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<v Speaker 2>do I do? Because it's very easy to hit it

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<v Speaker 2>in the bank over the back too, and the water

0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.320
<v Speaker 2>is the ultimate miss because then you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it again, like we saw Jordan and historically lives a

0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of people do that. So the right pin is

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<v Speaker 2>tough and taking the wind out of the wind is

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<v Speaker 2>an element that has really made the whole famous. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>but without that the genius, especially because most golf is

0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the right handed in the short riders in the water

0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and long left is over the green, and a right hander,

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<v Speaker 2>when they miss it left, it goes long, and they

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<v Speaker 2>miss it right it goes short.

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<v Speaker 1>And those are the misses when you're a little unsure,

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<v Speaker 1>that cut pop up because your tempo gets a little left.

0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.320
<v Speaker 2>And if you want to eat the Nicholas has just

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<v Speaker 2>go over the bunk and go left to the pin

0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and put it over. And that's a great theory. But

0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the green is shorter than where the

0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.640
<v Speaker 2>pin is, so if you pick that line and hit

0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.080
<v Speaker 2>it right of that line, you're going to go in

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<v Speaker 2>the water. So I guess a lot of people would

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<v Speaker 2>see guys hit it, and some big names. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>big moments of hit in the water and the right

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<v Speaker 2>on twelve. Well, if they're trying to play the smart

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<v Speaker 2>play and push it, it's guaranteed to be in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're trying to go to the pin somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>near the pin and you pull it, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on that hill or over the back. And for

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<v Speaker 2>a left handed I think it's fifty percent easier like

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<v Speaker 2>a half shut at least. Yeah, because their pool goes along,

0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.520
<v Speaker 2>so ams at them. Philip barbarraiment at the middle of

0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the green. They pull it. It gets there and they

0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.280
<v Speaker 2>push it. It doesn't go long. So if there was

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<v Speaker 2>no angle, if the t was twenty hours further the ride,

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<v Speaker 2>or thirty yars further the ride, it wouldn't be much

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<v Speaker 2>of a hole. It wouldn't be the hole it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be beautiful and famous and it'll be tricky, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have that kind of edge of.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's like the importance of an angle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you're hitting.

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<v Speaker 1>From essentially they put it in a disadvantage angle for

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<v Speaker 1>a right hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's genius. The front left edge would

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<v Speaker 2>be I don't have the book in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's probably fifteen yards short of the front right edge,

0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.719
<v Speaker 2>and the back left edge is probably close to the

0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.480
<v Speaker 2>front edge on the right pin. So if you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the left hand side of the green, back edge

0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.200
<v Speaker 2>will only just carry on the right. So it's you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to pick your spot, pick your club. I hope

0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you get the club right, pick your spot and hit

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<v Speaker 2>it within your five yards either side of your target,

0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.360
<v Speaker 2>and you're pretty much at the green every time. But

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't, you've got long left, which is stressful,

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<v Speaker 2>less stressful than the water, but it's and it just

0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.600
<v Speaker 2>makes you nervous. Like it's a beautiful as I said

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<v Speaker 2>ten eleven twelve, you just want to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>thirteenth team at that point, like, just get me there,

0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.840
<v Speaker 2>no carnage. Maybe you're feeling it good and maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>make a birdie through ten eleven twelve, whatever it's happened,

0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you know you can do it, but it's definitely the

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<v Speaker 2>part of the course that can ruin your day the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most Wednesday's Pad. You said that the thirteenth Tavas is

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<v Speaker 1>the best Tavax and golf like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best place in professional golf by a long

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<v Speaker 2>way on one of our playing fields at least, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's just your two hundred yards probably one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty yards at least from the nearest spectator.

0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.240
<v Speaker 2>There's maybe a Master's official back there, hiding back there,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a CBS guy, I think, just to make

0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.079
<v Speaker 2>sure the camera's on a tripod. I think. I don't

0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.040
<v Speaker 2>think he actually mans the camera, but just to make

0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.120
<v Speaker 2>sure it's all working, and otherwise it's completely silent. And

0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.360
<v Speaker 2>you've come off twelve. Where there's the most beautiful noise

0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.040
<v Speaker 2>in golf is when you make a put on twelve

0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and there's that speed of sound gap, right, You've got

0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.200
<v Speaker 2>that three seconds until you hear the cheers and the collapse.

0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just fantastic. I mean, I don't know, there's something

0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>about it that's just really rare in golf, and it's

0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.760
<v Speaker 2>just a nice feeling. So you're back on thirteen, you're

0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 2>tucked away, nobody can see you, and you're looking at

0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.160
<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful t shirt of the world. So it's

0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's just a nice you're always on show. You're

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<v Speaker 2>a goldfish at something like the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The appeal to golf, I guess from a spectator a

0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of times is that they're so close to us.

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.640
<v Speaker 2>And I guess that's why that's just such a nice

0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.240
<v Speaker 2>change for us, because we're two hundred yards really from

0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the nearest fan. It's just a nice place and it's

0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.680
<v Speaker 2>just such a good hole. We're just excited. We've just

0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.200
<v Speaker 2>come off the toughest stretch on the course and we're

0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.880
<v Speaker 2>about to play the funnest stretch on.

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<v Speaker 1>The When you're playing in front of a crowd how

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<v Speaker 1>I mean do different events like, is there like an

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<v Speaker 1>a point where you just stop noticing them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Usually for me it's odd. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>always found the bigger the crowd, the easier it is

0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.600
<v Speaker 2>because it all kind of blends in. I've always found

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest crowd the three people four people, because it's

0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.080
<v Speaker 2>a bit more intimate and personal and they almost feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they can talk to you, and it's a there's

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<v Speaker 2>something kind of unnerving about two or three guys standing

0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.040
<v Speaker 2>right near you. It's kind of I don't know. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always found that harder than or that one guy who

0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.640
<v Speaker 2>stands behind your put. There's one guy at the putting

0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.880
<v Speaker 2>green and he walks around to stand right behind the

0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.320
<v Speaker 2>line of your put to watch your part. And it's

0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.280
<v Speaker 2>a perfectly fair thing for him to do, and and

0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a great way to watch you put. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>you notice that one guy. But you get to the

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<v Speaker 2>ex Open, and I mean that would be a little different,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're in the Masters and there's five thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>on every hole. It's just a bit of a blur.

0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.280
<v Speaker 2>It blends in and it's almost it's white noise. So

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like the noise canceling headphones. It's almost you don't

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<v Speaker 2>notice them as much.

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<v Speaker 1>Y's like you there's constant noise. I was playing a

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<v Speaker 1>tournament at Beverly in Chicago, which is like over it's

0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.680
<v Speaker 1>like you know, in the city of Chicago, major streets,

0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and then right over Midway is flying over like all day,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's gotta be the loudest course in in

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<v Speaker 1>in America. And but then like it's so funny, you

0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.440
<v Speaker 1>don't even notice it after a couple of horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. It's like there's a few there's there's

0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a few famous courses around the world that have the airports,

0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and Sernandra Is, to be fair, it's kind of one

0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120
<v Speaker 2>of them. There's Lucas that the RAF base and there's

0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.320
<v Speaker 2>jets all day and that kind of helps a little

0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:57.360
<v Speaker 2>bit sometimes. And Tory Pines is renowned for F eighteens

0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and f hornets and all sorts of stuff. They're flying

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely all day, and it does create this kind of

0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.160
<v Speaker 2>noise canceling headphones effect. It's just you don't even notice

0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:06.800
<v Speaker 2>it after a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So then when you go back to thirteen, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it's really really quiet and yeah, you can

0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.200
<v Speaker 2>hear each other talk and it's just a it's a

0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.240
<v Speaker 2>very odd place when you play the Masters, is such

0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.160
<v Speaker 2>an assault on your senses. There's people everywhere, there's noise,

0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's such a massive week that you've got this

0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>spot on the course that's just totally silent. It's actually

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<v Speaker 2>really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you thinking about with that thirteenth T shirt?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm for me. I've always kind of struggled to

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<v Speaker 2>hit a big drawer with a driver, so I I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of initially initially was trying to hit threewood because

0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys, the longer guys, would hit three

0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.119
<v Speaker 2>woods because it's much easier hit a hawk. And I

0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 2>play with Freddie early days a couple of times and

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<v Speaker 2>he hit this great sweet draw with the three wood

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of I was very envious about. But

0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.960
<v Speaker 2>it looked like the sensible way to play it. And

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.680
<v Speaker 2>the the trouble really because it's once you've gone left

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.480
<v Speaker 2>once or twice, it spooks you for a long time

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.040
<v Speaker 2>about going left again. So your problem really is hitting

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it through the fairway because that really takes out wow.

0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Unless you get lucky in the pine straw, it brings

0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.720
<v Speaker 2>in the risk, So I would try to hit kind

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.399
<v Speaker 2>of three woods with a decent draw, but give the

0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:38.199
<v Speaker 2>trees a lot of air, Like the trees are very penal,

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and everything seems to bounce in the water from the

0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 2>trees every single time, or left of the water even

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and that's just terrible. So I generally hit three wood,

0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and I think I ended up hitting a few more

0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 2>drivers trying to get a little bit more aggressive, but

0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I I wasn't really that great, or haven't been that

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<v Speaker 2>great in big draws of drivers, so I kind of

0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.320
<v Speaker 2>was willing to accept like a three or four on

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 2>under the green. I didn't really ever try to get

0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.239
<v Speaker 2>much closer than that, because, as I said, you hit

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:07.959
<v Speaker 2>one left one time and you get so burnt by

0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 2>being left, and you just feel like you've wasted a

0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.240
<v Speaker 2>shot or two and you've missed out on maybe the

0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.760
<v Speaker 2>fun of shot on the course, which is the second

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.640
<v Speaker 2>shot that I used to give it a bit of air,

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and I used to block a few and then you'd

0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.600
<v Speaker 2>be way out and you'd have to lay it up.

0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.560
<v Speaker 2>But at least that way you don't go left. So

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I would just try to sort of almost back for

0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the three would and hit kind of a low, screaming hook.

0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.679
<v Speaker 1>That was my plan, So messing that fair away you

0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.160
<v Speaker 1>would be really mad because you didn't get to hit

0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the second shot.

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a funer shot on the course. For me, it's

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:44.440
<v Speaker 2>just incredible, and what people don't it's such a genius hole.

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It's almost the perfect golfer And if it isn't the

0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:48.879
<v Speaker 2>perfect golf hole, it's probably as close as you can

0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:55.320
<v Speaker 2>get to a perfect golf hole. It's strategically, the further

0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.400
<v Speaker 2>let the closer to the water you get, you get

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 2>like a threefold advantage. You get a flatter lie, you

0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.439
<v Speaker 2>get closer to the green, and you have a better angle.

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.399
<v Speaker 2>The further away from the creek you are, the further

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.159
<v Speaker 2>from the green you are, the more the ball is

0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 2>above your feet, and the worse your angle into the green.

0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:19.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's incredible how steeply or how much the ball

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.719
<v Speaker 2>is above your feet on that second shot. I think

0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.679
<v Speaker 2>it surprises everyone for the first time when they hit

0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the second shot and thirteen they hit a nice drive

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.440
<v Speaker 2>up to the middle of fairway, maybe around the corner

0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and they've got this four or five iron,

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 2>three iron, four iron, five iron with the ball legitimately

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.919
<v Speaker 2>six or eight inches above your feet, and that's really

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 2>quite difficult.

0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be so hard to hit it high

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 1>off that lie right.

0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.159
<v Speaker 2>It's hard hit a high and it's also because the

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.400
<v Speaker 2>trouble is short left and it goes to long right

0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 2>the way the again, it's another angle. It's another great angle.

0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>If you had a flat lie and everything else was

0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.800
<v Speaker 2>being was kind of different, you would want to hit

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.720
<v Speaker 2>a fade into that green because you could hit a

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.280
<v Speaker 2>shot that was basically never really going to be in

0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the water. You can start it left with the green

0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and kind of the shortest carry. I mean, the carry

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to the front edge is probably thirty yards shorter than

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the carry to kind of the right edge of that

0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 2>back right pin. So you could that safe one where

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>you always fell. Oh well, if I hit it straight,

0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 2>then I'll just miss the green left. But I can

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.919
<v Speaker 2>kind of make burdie over there. But you have to

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>with the ball above your feet kind of hit a draw.

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And so you're hanging it over the long carry and

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you're hanging it over the water. And yeah, it's hard

0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>to hit it high. And that shot is actually it

0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even look at when you're standing there but the

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.719
<v Speaker 2>water in the creek runs quite significantly and quite fast,

0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 2>from the green towards rays creek, it runs back towards

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.879
<v Speaker 2>the teeth, so it's obviously quite uphill. A second shot.

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.119
<v Speaker 2>I actually can't remember we've got slopes in our books

0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>now but what it plays, but it would definitely play

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.040
<v Speaker 2>five ten yards longer than it measures just because of

0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the hill. So you've got it's again like it is

0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 2>all the way around the course. You've got this shot

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that all you want to do is hit a high fade,

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.679
<v Speaker 2>and all of the stances trying to give you as

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a low drawer.

0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>And the scale of that fair away is what created

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the deception of the uphill on the second shot.

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, it just doesn't seem you feel like

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you kind of because you come down off the thirteenth tee,

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you cross the creek and you walk all the way up,

0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 2>You walk up to your ball quite significantly, really, so

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess it feels like you'll come back. It kind

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.439
<v Speaker 2>of seems like the corner is the high point. The

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 2>way it all looks and the way the trees are,

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.159
<v Speaker 2>and trees on the right are so much higher than

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the trees the creek on the left. It's the second shot. Yeah,

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 2>that it just feels like you should be going down

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to the green, but you're actually still going quite significantly

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>up to the green.

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.160
<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting and that makes that chat even harder.

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it plays longer the carry it gets. Every yard

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>you go to the right, it gets two yards further

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to carry, you know. It's one of those kind of deals.

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>It's but it's such a good fun shot to pull off.

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really a massive green. It might be

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the biggest green on the course, but it looks tiny

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>from back there on the fairway, and you never that

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>sad when you miss the green left. But it's a

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 2>really tricky chip from left. I mean it's a crazy

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 2>slope green and it's got that same thing as ten.

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>It's always in the shadows. Well, it's in the shadows

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 2>from lunchtime onwards probably, So if you're.

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Ware you want to be, if you're playing well and

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you're where you want to be on the weekend, it's

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 1>in the shadow.

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's in the shadows. If you're telling off anywhere

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>remotely close to the lead, you are, and it's shadows.

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not definitively all in the shade. There's like light

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>patches and dark patches, and like there's that ultimate hard

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of light.

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.479
<v Speaker 1>To read a green in that little back run off

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>area is really tricky, spart.

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's yeah, it's super tricky. It's kind of quite

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 2>a significant kind of dip, and the bunkers are actually

0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>quite high. The bunkers are almost above the height of

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 2>the green, but the I mean it's probably only a

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 2>foot or two that little kind of dip between the

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>back edge of the green or the left edge and

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the back edge of the green and those bunkers and

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>up towards the flowers. It's quite a significant dip. And

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it's enough that it's extremely slow to put up because

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.879
<v Speaker 2>it's quite a steep little hill, and it's like putting

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 2>up a steep, little slow hill through the fringe and

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>then just ultra fast all the way to the water.

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not where you want to be. It's clearly better

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>than being in the water, and it's better than generally

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it's probably better than laying up even close to the creek,

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>but it's still not really your favorite shot, especially if

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>you're anywhere near the mix, because it's a Again, it's

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 2>that that speed differential between fringe and green is so

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>great that you want to run it through the fringe

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to the safety of the putter. But it's a really

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 2>hard one to get right with the putter, so you

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of end up going with the wedge and if

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't get any spin on it, you don't clip

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>it right, you catch the slope wrong. You can be

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty feet below the hole, or you can hit chip

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:00.360
<v Speaker 2>it in the water pretty easy, or lea it down

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>where your feet are, so it's you don't want to

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>be down there. It's better than being right, but you

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be down there.

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>It gives you the ultimate reward if you take it

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 1>on and pull it off the second chart.

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Really it does. And again it's that perfect situation that

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to make five four days in a row,

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you would make five for the rest of your life.

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>A professional golfer playing in the Masters would never not

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 2>make five if his goal was to make a five.

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Because there's one thousand hours of fairway to the right.

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 2>You could just something way out to the right, lay

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>it up into the biggest fairway on the court. Because

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it's really fourteen and thirteen fairway. You can lay it

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 2>up as close to the creek as you want, left, right, anywhere,

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's really quite easy to hit the middle of

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>that green in three shots, but you're never going to

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>make four. So as soon as you try to make

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>four or three, you're bring in the creek off the

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>tee because the only the easier that it's relatively easy

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>second shot if you're down near the creek around the corner,

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>as I said, because it's that lie, the angle is

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>better and you're closer to the green.

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>The dynamics of like of where it is and knowing

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the back nine with where people can just make up

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>ground like crazy on there. It even if you have

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a four shot lead, you kind of have to go

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, that's it if that's the first year or

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>two was the fourth hole.

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I was. I wanted to ask you about this.

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>It would be completely different. Well, it would still be

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 2>a great hole, and it be amazing that people would

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>play it differently as the fourth hole because they'd probably

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>more willing to accept not making birdie. But when it's thirteen,

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>especially late on Saturday or Sunday, you know there's a

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>few guys in contention. You're going to make three or four,

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>or everybody's going to make four, it feels like, and

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys are going to make three, so

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you have to kind of try to make three and

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>it's three or four. And as soon as you try

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 2>to do that, that's when you bring in all the stress.

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's when it's a really anxiety building hole, right,

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.400
<v Speaker 2>because you have to hit two of the most high

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>quality shots you have to hit anywhere to get that

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 2>eagle part with all sorts of risk involved. When you

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>really could just go bail out to the right, bailout

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>to the right, have a relatively easy wedge with a

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>big back stop to that Sunday pin, you can get

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>it within twenty feet every time. But you can't really

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 2>do that when you were in the mix and the

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>six in front of something. I mean even three or

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 2>four in front isn't enough. Really, the situation in the

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.239
<v Speaker 2>tournament being six holes to play, you really have to

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 2>take on again. It makes you, It encourages you to

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>take on shots that you might not necessarily want to

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 2>take on.

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to table my question about the flip till

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>later because I want to go through the last few

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>before we I ask you fourteen We talked about it

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.360
<v Speaker 1>on the front nine and three a little bit. How

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>there are the holes where leaders pick up the most shot.

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>So fourteen no bunkers. Everybody always talks about no bunkers,

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>but it has some most severe cantours.

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's probably the if anyone's never been there, which

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:09.199
<v Speaker 2>most people probably haven't, it's probably the green that that

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>freaks people out the most when they see how dramatic

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and crazy it is. I mean, it is a massive

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>green left to right or right to left wide. It's

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily that deep, it's quite I mean it's deep enough,

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>but the first fifteen ound of the green is completely

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>unusable because it's one of those big kind of Sinnandrews,

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>like kind of false fronts, if you like. That's really

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>big and severe, and it's super high on the left,

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's almost like a three tier green from left

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to right. So it's really high on the left, really

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>small little level on the left, the medium kind of

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>level in the middle, and then quite a big level

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>down the bottom. Right.

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Have you played past the temper I haven't played past.

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>You've seen that sixteenth green, right, Yeah, so it's kind

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of like that on the side.

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never heard anybody.

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Describe it like that, but that's what it clicked them.

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's a green that you the T shirt.

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I think actually when they made that longer, they moved

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the tea back twenty or three thirty when was it

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>either ninety eight or two thousand and five or whenever

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>they did those two changes, it got longer. I think

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the T shop got a little bit easier with that,

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and the fact when they started cut the fairways back

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 2>to the teeth, because I think in the old days,

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>from what I hear is you had to hit a

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>drawer to keep it on the fairway because the fairway

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>camps very It's quite high on the left and low

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>on the right. So anything with anything, whether it's straight

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 2>or fade, is going to hit and bounce and run

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 2>to the right. So now there's a little.

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Bit steam ridge that moves down thirteen.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the same hill higher up the hill, but

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the same sort of slope, and you have to hit it.

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>It's quite a big fairway now, I think it's bigger

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>than it was before. The length actually made it a

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit easier to hit, I think, because it's quite

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>hard to hit in the trees. Now, I mean you

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>can run it out into the right raf, which is

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 2>not ideal because it's a green you want a lot

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to spin into. But it went from like a hook

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>three would I think in the old days to like

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>just smash the driver and if you can draw it,

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely an advantage because again the higher on the

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 2>left you get the flattery stances. So again it's a

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>bit like thirteen in the closer on the inside of

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the dog leg you are the flattiest stance, and the

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>higher up you are, so the shorter the second shot plays.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>But there's trees on the left that you I think

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>dust and carry them yesterday, but generally no one can

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>get them massive trees and you kind of have to

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>go around them. Have you hit them. They again Augusta trees,

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>they always bounce towards the trouble. Right Augusta trees somehow

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>make balls bounce into the trouble, not back onto the fairway.

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>But it's I felt, a relatively simple t shot. If

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>you as long as you were hitting a big phasee

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>for a right hander and get it up there to

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>eight nine nine wirdge, you've hit a good one. And

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>then the second shot is it changes every day with

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 2>where the pin is. That famous kind of pin in

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the middle that they have on Sundays where anything within

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty or thirty feet left of it just goes at

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>it just rolls towards it. That's a really fun pin

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to hit at when you're in the middle of the fairway,

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>but you can get it wrong because if you miss

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>it two feet to the right of the pin, you're

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>going to have a sixty foot from the bottom right

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of the green, and that's a part that might be

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the slowest part of Augusta. You gotta smash it, so

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to do that. You can't miss the

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 2>green short. If you miss a green short, it's a

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 2>one in five up and down, maybe even more. And

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>again it's a hole you want to hit a drawer

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>into because you want the drawer to be holding on

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the slope when it lands, But the ball is so

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 2>far below your feet on the second shot, it's really

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>difficult hit to draw, so you end up. I usually

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>ended up having a ball that was moving left to right,

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>so the first bounce or the spin is kind of

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>checking to the right, which accentuates all the slope on

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the green, so it's It is certainly a birdie hole

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>with a good drive, but it's certainly a second shot

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that requires as much attention as any other second shot,

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>because if you can't, if you don't get it on

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the right level, you're going to have a really long

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>part or a really fast part. One O yether and

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you can have puts on that green that break twenty

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>five feet from twenty five feet.

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>The way that green sits in that ridge is perfect

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to make it that way too, because that whole thing

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of cascades lackened and rate, and the green just

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>sits there, kind of carved out of it, and then

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, built up to get that little front ray part.

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Cascades is a great word. It does look like it's

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>water falling down the hill a little bit. That green,

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 2>it's an incredible grain. Ben crenshaw is said at a

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>bunch of times, it's the most three partable green in

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the world, right, I mean, it's it's a crazy green

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and you just you are so conscious of not missing

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>it short short. The first time you see it seems

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the miss yeah, because it's under the hole. But it's

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>under the hole. You go up this massive false front.

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>The biggest one Augusta by a long way, I mean heights.

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's probably only three feet, but it seems

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>twelve feet above you right when you're short of that

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>green and you have to smash the puts so hard

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and so far left of the hole because of all

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the break that it's as I said, it's probably a

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>one in five, one in ten up and down from

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>short of the green, So everybody knows that. And when

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the balls below your feet and you end up kind

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 2>of carving up a bit of a fade, it's very

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>easy to miss it short of the green, so you're

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>conscious of that.

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So and that's a hard hit, that draw that you

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>want to hit.

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, for me, it always was. I mean I

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>think for everyone it's the hardest. For the comfortable drawers

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>like Rory and guys like that, then it's probably not

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that big a deal. But for most people it certainly

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>makes the shape you want to hit. The slope is

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 2>exactly wrong for the shape you want to hit.

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Long is the mess, right long long.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And right of the pin is the miss. And if

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you want to miss it, right of the pin, but

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 2>not by very much generally, I mean that pin in

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the middle to get it close. You have to land

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it left of the pin, and it's sweep down, but

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd still prefer it to sweep down and break and

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 2>end up below the hole. To the right. Long right

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>is you can get up and down to any pin

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 2>from long right. How do you miss right though it

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>was a rady, It's difficult because you're missed to the

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>right is generally short right. So if you can miss

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it to the long right, if you actually hit it

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>straight or hit a draw pull one off, it's going

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 2>to go long right, long left, and long left is

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a disaster. So again, it's just a very clever use

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 2>of slope. Serendipitous, I think a little bit because you

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have built a different green there that you could

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 2>only build a green that went high left to low

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 2>right because the severity of the hill. But it just

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>it just worked. And there's some incredibly impossible pins that

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>where you have maybe there's this kind of frontish left

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>pin which isn't really front left, but it's front left

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>of the usable green. It's probably twenty five on the green,

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 2>but it's in the first eight feet of usable green

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>on that high left side. And if it's maybe a

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>six foot circle that you could get it close, and

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>if you don't, you're going to be potentially one hundred

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>feet from the hole. If you miss at one foot

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>right of that pin, you can potentially be not all

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 2>the time, it can hang on that middle tier, but

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>if it gets a bit of momentum off the very

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 2>top tier, it goes down the middle tier and then

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 2>down all the under the lower tier, and you can

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>have one hundred foot And as I said, that's the

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 2>slowest part of the Masters. And I think sometimes the

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 2>slow parts are the Masters are the hard ones because

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you're so fearful of the one back if you smash.

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.959
<v Speaker 1>It, and you've been hitting themselves so aft are.

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 2>There you're so I wouldn't tentative isn't the word, but

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 2>conscious of not hitting it too hard, and that one

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit untalked about. I think a lot

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 2>of the old experienced guys talk about how slow the

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>upper parts are of the Masters, and to me, they're

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>always the difficult ones, because again it's always in your

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>head to not hit it six feet past, and you're

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>hitting it so hard, I mean one hundred sixty eighty

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>foot ninety foot up two tiers up. I don't even

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>know what to know ten percent kind of slow grade.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible how hard you have to hit it, and

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>it's really really hard to get yourself to hit it

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that hard because you just don't want that six foot

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>on the way back, because the six four the way

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>back you could potentially go back all the way down again.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's a hole that really really rewards great shots.

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>It rewards because it's really.

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>Hard to make par if you're not in the right

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>or it's really hard to make par even if you're

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong spot.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Just off. Yeah, it rewards a nice tea shot. Again,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it's not the most demanding tshot on the course. You

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 2>gotta pay a little bit of attention, but it's a

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>very very precise second shot to hit it close, and

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>if you don't hit that precise second shot, you're going

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to have some difficulty in making power for sure.

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0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Remember as I then you go to fifteen, which is

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>infamous hall. I feel like just surviving it for four rounds.

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that. It depends. It generally plays

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 2>slightly into the wind. Historically in all the tournaments I played,

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really ever seem to get down wind. I mean,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 2>it can swirl a bit, and it can, but it's

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 2>generally probably slightly into the wind, and the t shirt

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 2>is relatively easy. It's just bombs away. It's not really

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>about accuracy. It's a little bit because down the left

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 2>side obviously those trees get into the mix. But it's

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>that one of those free is the free hit at it.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Really you can just tee off because if you don't

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 2>smash it, it's the hole you on the tee. You

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>do everything you can to be able to go for

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>it too, because as hard as that second shot is,

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and as much trouble as there with a second shot,

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>getting it over the water in two on dry land

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is preferable to anything short of water. There is nothing

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>good short of the water. It's the hardest wedge in golf,

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 2>so by a long stretch, I would say with the

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 2>most train wrecks happen on the third shot generally, not

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the second shot or the drop after the second one

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>goes in the water. That wedge is just beyond brutal.

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So you are very motivated to hit a good T shirt.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And it was always never on the edge for me,

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>but it was funny. It's one of those holes that

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in practice you're maybe not quite in tournament speed yet

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>because you're not the adrenaline isn't going and stuff. I

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>always felt like I had two forty to the pin

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 2>in practice. It's like, how do people go for this

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous, and like you would go for it in

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>practice because it doesn't matter, and hitting two irons and

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>three irons and three woods even and it's just like

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 2>not the target for a three wood. But as the

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>tournament comes on, usually by the fourteenth you've kind of

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty you're swinging it pretty hard and if you're feeling decent,

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.240
<v Speaker 2>you can't seem if I get it up there to

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>two twenty like three four five iron kind of when

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you're playing really well, so you really really really want to.

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>The most important thing of the day on fifteen is

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>being able to get it on dry land for two

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 2>over the pond, because it's, as I said, just the

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 2>complete nightmare of a pitch shot. And then when you

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>get it on, it's a super fun second shot to

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>pull off. Though it's similar to thirteen, and there's a

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of history involved in that because we've seen so

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 2>many people hit the shot. And the pins on the

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>right depends on the right are the easy pins. That

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Sunday pin on the right is the eagle pin. The

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean they've moved it. They've kind of dabbled around

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>with the Sunday pins. It's been a bit more in

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the green, and Sergio's was in the

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>middle of the green a couple of years ago and

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that unbelievable Shotty hit. But that back right pin is

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 2>certainly the green light pin. And you would go at

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 2>that back right pin with almost any club if you

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>could get it there. I think.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 1>The slope, which you know, makes that right pin easier.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It is so hard to tell on TV because it's

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>propped up and you can't see it, But if you

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>think about where the green's positioned, like three hundred yards.

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 1>The left is thirteen green, which is you know, just

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.479
<v Speaker 1>running right down that slope. It's got a lighter pitch

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:02.479
<v Speaker 1>to it right to last.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 2>It's the same kind of hill. It's the general same hill.

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Once when you're at twelve, the way back to the

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 2>clubhouse with the routing was traversing the hill. Yeah, So

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>thirteen that's right to left, that's high on the right,

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>lower on the left, fourteen that's high on the left,

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 2>low on the right, and fifteen high on the right

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 2>and low, you know, and it's it's traversing the hill

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of. That's the way to get up the hill.

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 2>So the fairway on fifteen is relatively flat, but the

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>green is really a lot, very very fast from right

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 2>to left, and it's progressively shallower the further left you

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>go on the green too, Like the back left hand

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 2>side of the green seems to slope towards the back

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 2>of the green a little bit down towards the water

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 2>on sixteen, whereas the right hand side of the green

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>seems a bit more receptive and a bit kind of

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>into you. You can kind of stop a three on

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>on the right hand side of the green on the

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>left hands tide of the green. It seems like you

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 2>can't stop a wedge. So it's kind of I don't

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>know how to describe that in words, but it's it's

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 2>an uphill kind of it lands on an upslope on

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the right hand shake a potato chip. Yeah, it's got

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a twist, in't it. Yeah. It's

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's an uphill put from the front right

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>to the back right pin, and it's a downhill part

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 2>from the front left to the back left pin. You know,

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's.

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Hitting wedges into greens that run a little away. Yeah.

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's one of the hardest shots.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The shot of the web shot, which is why

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to miss the fairway or neck you

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>t shot is the instinct when the pin is on

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 2>the left and I got burnt by this in two

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven, but the instinct is to lay it

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>up down the right because the pin's on the left

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>and you feel like you're going to kind of create

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a bit more room on the green. But the further

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 2>right you are on the fairway with that wed shot

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 2>from one hundred yards or eighty yards, you are landing

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it on that pretty significant downslope of the green from

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>right to left, and the first bounce is so big

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>that if you land it anywhere near pin high, it's

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>just one bounce over the back. And we've all seen

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that shot a lot, that wedge that lands next to

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the pin and just goes bounce over the back. So

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you're off a downslope on that. As I said that

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>that fairway grass that demands precision, I mean, it's not difficult,

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>but it demands precision like it's unforgiving. It's an unforgiving light,

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 2>especially with a wedge. So I initially was trying to

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>lay it up on the right, and in two thousand

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and seven I laid it. It was that crazy, ridiculous

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Saturday when it was thirty four degrees and the year

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>is Zach Johnson won and we're all shooting over par.

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>But I think I was somewhat in the mix, two

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>or three behind, I think, with four holes to play

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, and I wedged two in the water and

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I laid it up down the right and landed my

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>sixty like on the front engine. It just spun off

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the greend of the water, and then I got stubborn

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and dropped it in the same spot, or maybe I

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>walked up two yards or no, I didn't do that.

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I think the Tiger Woods thing. I can't remember whatever

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>I did, but I just did it again because the

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>fear of that one bounce over the back is really there.

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's such a downslope, so your wedge comes.

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Out low, so doesn't carry, doesn't.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Powry got as far, and that first bounce is going

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to be such a big long bounce because it's coming

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>in fast. You know that downslope wedge with a lot

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 2>of spin. It's landing fast. It's like skidding on like

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like its skids a lot.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>When it grabs on like the second or even third bounce.

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first bounce, it grabs on like the third bounce.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>So eventually, if you lay it up, I think the

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:30.919
<v Speaker 2>true experience lays it up as far left as they can.

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And so that was the second time you'd played it.

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>So this is something this is an example of like

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the course hadn't fully revealed itself.

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And I I learned it early my second Masters, and

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I always if I had to lay it up, then

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I would go out of my way to lay it

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>up as deep to the left as I could even

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>in the semi ralf on the left is the first

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:57.439
<v Speaker 2>cut is better than anywhere on the right, because again

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a bit like thirteen. The further left, you either

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 2>flatter your stance, and if you go way left and

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 2>have a distance where you can get some spin, you

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 2>can even to that back left pin or that left pin.

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>You can hit a pitch that lands twenty or thirty

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>feet kind of right of it, yeah, and kind of

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>spins left because it comes back down the hill and

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 2>you can get it, and it's a very receptive type.

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.359
<v Speaker 2>It's a safe way to play the shot. But from

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the right, it's it's really difficult. I mean, it's really

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 2>difficult to describe unless you've been there. But every yard

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you go to the left, the more the more receptive

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the green gets because the more it kind of you're turning,

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 2>it becomes on an upslope.

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like when you have like a really fast downhill

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 1>put that moves, how you can slow it down by

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>hitting it into the slope.

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you're hitting it into this, so it's

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like starting the ball into the wind just slows it down,

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 2>like it's the first bounce is now going to be

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 2>a sensible distance, and again the further left you either

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 2>flattery or stance, so now you can hit a pitch

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 2>with a bit more flight. The green is quite deep

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 2>on the right and really shallow on the left, so

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 2>if you're at the left, you can kind of create

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>more green depth by hitting it quite a lot right

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of the pin with all the depth and maybe use

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 2>a bit of backspin to get it so you don't

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>really have to risk landing it near the water when

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you're pitching it from the left. But still it is

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I think if you asked guys in the field, if

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the t shot on twelve, if they had

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>to pitch into fifteen, would be most guys least favorite

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.479
<v Speaker 2>shot in the course of the one they're most trying

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 2>to avoid. I mean, it's inevitable. Usually once in a

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>week you're going to have to do it. In some

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>weeks four times. I mean Zach Johnson did it four

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 2>times that year, which is outrageously good. In some years,

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it gets long and it's into the wind and guys

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 2>are laying it up a lot, and that's when you

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 2>see cartage. You guys backing the balls off the green

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 2>all the time, And I guess people watching you're like, well,

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 2>why these guys, Why don't these guys just hit it

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 2>past the hole? But over the back is the toughest

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 2>up and down of the masters probably, so it's you're

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 2>damn if you do down. If you don't like it's

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>neither option was shorts clearly terminal and long is. I mean,

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Phil's got that shot, but not many. It's a really

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:03.320
<v Speaker 2>from one or two yards over the back of fifteen,

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>it's doable, but it never stops one or two years over.

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>It just keeps running down and ten yards over the green.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 2>You've got that thing that I've been kind of describing

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. Is that really really slow fringe because

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>it's quite steep and the way they cut the grass

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>and how fast the greens are, there's some massive speed

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 2>differential between the fringe and the green. So is it

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>a one bouncer and check because if you go for

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>two or three bounces, it generally doesn't get to the

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>green or you've got to hit it so hard to

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 2>skip it through for three bounces that you're risking it

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 2>very easy to just blow it back into the water.

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Bermuda's got a little sticky versus if it

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>was fascue, you'd just be able to bump it right out.

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 2>If it was fascual, it would be completely different, Yeah,

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>because the speed difference would be less. It's the speed

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 2>differential between green and fringe in shots like that, Plus

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.839
<v Speaker 2>it's quite a significant slope you end up going down,

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like those trees where guys end up down when they

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>their four irons they catch the swirly wind. And that's

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 2>another one where the wind really plays tricks. That second

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 2>shot of fifteen or whatever reason. Maybe it's the ponds

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 2>or the water or quite a lot of open space

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>around there. The wind is very hard to get right

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 2>or to trust.

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Chipping from back to the right side of the green,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>is that easier than Yeah, everything on that side of

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the green, there's really hard.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Everything on the right hand side of the green as

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you play the hole from the tee is it's easier

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.359
<v Speaker 2>to go to that side from everywhere because behind it,

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>even from behind it the ones on the left, those

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>pins on the left. From behind it, it's as I said,

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it seems to slope from front to back over there.

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's such a shallower part of the green, and

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you generally when you're chipping from over the green. If

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the pin is left, you're right of the pin. No

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 2>one really misses that left of the pin on fifteen

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 2>when the pin's on the left because everyone's giving it

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>air to the right. So if you're twenty feet right

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of the pin and ten yards over the green for

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that left pin, you've got a pitch. You've got that

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.319
<v Speaker 2>pitch where you've got to get the bounces right or

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 2>do the fill super flop thing, and it's going to

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:09.919
<v Speaker 2>hit and break straight to the rights. It's a it's

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>just a really hard shot.

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've seen You're not the only guy that

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>had that whole bitum with like Sergio last year, Cabrera

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years Cabrera played it like I say,

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>ten over the whole week, and you made the cut somehow.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>But then you go sixteen, he's sixteen. You said that

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>that hole may have been your favorite Master's moment ever

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven.

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Twenty eleven Fast sixteen. There's two days where it's the

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 2>funnest hole of the course, and there's two days when

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>it's the least fun hole. Right, just the pins, the

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 2>two low pins, generally Thursday and Sunday are really fun.

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, historically everybody knows the shot on Sunday and

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Thursdays really is similar to anywhere thirty or forty feet

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>right of the pin, it's going to go towards.

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of where a lot of bars end up

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday is Thursday Thursday's pin.

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's really fun and it's a famous shot,

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and it legitimately feels like if I can throw this

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 2>out in that twenty thirty foot area somewhere out in

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the right, I'm a hold in one chance for a

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>real chance to get it close here. Because it's one

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 2>of those funnel pins, it just all seems to go

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 2>towards that Sunday pin and Thursdays, like you said, the

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Sunday when they guys just kind of maybe come out

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 2>of it a little bit and hit that kind of

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 2>weak high thing, it still rolls back down the slope

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 2>and it ends up where Thursday's pin is. So those

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.360
<v Speaker 2>days are really fun. Friday and Saturday pins generally that

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>front right on Friday and the background on Saturday excruciatingly

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>difficult one. The front right one on both areas again

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe six twelve foot circles, maybe six foot from the

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>hole on Friday to stay up there in a good spot,

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and if you don't, you're either down the hill or

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:54.839
<v Speaker 2>you miss the green in the right and just off

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the right edge is okay for that Friday pin. That

0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.320
<v Speaker 2>front right one and that front right bunk is not

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 2>too bad. It's not great, it's not too bad, but

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 2>generally you end up with that thirty forty foot er

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 2>up the hill. And if the front right pin, if

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 2>you're you've got to be careful not to miss it

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>very much past pin high. If you're shorter pin high,

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 2>that front right pin, it's a pretty much just a

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>straight bang up the hill. It's not incredibly difficult, but

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 2>every yard you get past the pin left down the

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 2>bottom tier putting with that front right one, the putt

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>can break fifteen twenty feet. You've got to it's really

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of severe because now you're putting across the tier

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and the tear just sweeps it to

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the right, and it's really easy to just have it

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>leave it back down and put it down to the

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:36.359
<v Speaker 2>front edge.

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>And if you miss left, it usually goes long.

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:40.840
<v Speaker 2>If you miss left, it goes along right. So again

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 2>this is a genius and Augusta. It's it's really difficult

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to miss that one where you miss it, so you

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.000
<v Speaker 2>really can't where you want to miss it, so you

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 2>really can't try to miss it. You really just have

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.839
<v Speaker 2>to like try to hit the great shot. You really do.

0:50:55.040 --> 0:51:00.080
<v Speaker 2>It's always within, always with it in your mind. You

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be twenty five feet past the hole

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>in the bottom tier because if you put it from

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 2>from Sunday's pin to Friday's pin would be a one

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 2>in ten two part. I would say, it's a part

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 2>that would break twenty or thirty feet and the last

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.359
<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty feet of it is straight down the hill. Yeah,

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>really really tough, but you manage it because it's usually

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the front tee on Friday and it's like the nine

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 2>nine or something, and if you're playing well, it sounds

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 2>crazy to people, But if you're playing well in the

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>masses and you're contending getting it within six or ten

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>feet of the hole with a nine nine, isn't that outrageous?

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Like a prospect? Now, the pin on the Saturday pin

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that Nicholas and seventy five pin, it is an incredibly

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 2>small area. I mean anything left of the pin, anything

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:49.480
<v Speaker 2>is going down the hill to Sunday's pin. I don't

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 2>know how many balls can land left of that and

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>stay up. It's an amazingly slopey green and it's a

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>really really small area. You can hit it right of

0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the pin and it'll stay there. But if you're hitting

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 2>that right bunker, you're not going to make You're going

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.799
<v Speaker 2>to have to two part from forty feet for bogie.

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 1>And rate of it. It's a nervy shot because you know,

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>anything past it's.

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Gone, anything past it's gone. Yeah, it's just an incredibly

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 2>small area. It's just one of those the Augusta on

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>every green, really not every green, but at least half

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:22.359
<v Speaker 2>twelve of the greens have some incredibly tiny areas that

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 2>them in. The high pin on six is the same,

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>and four fourteen have these really really small it's like

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a blank a picnic blanket. To hit it into it.

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 2>If you don't, you're going to have a long tu part.

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's pressure on the shot and against that same

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of feeling. The only way you can really hit

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 2>a great shot there onto those really small pins, to

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.439
<v Speaker 2>hit those really precise shots is to swing it free

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and loose, and it's hard to get into a free

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and loose mindset. When you know all the bad things

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 2>that can have you get protective, and the protective swing

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 2>usually goes short and it dribbles down the tier and

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>then you've got this again, an incredibly slow part that

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas up the hill and then seventy five part. You've

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 2>got to hit it really, really hard, with the idea

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that you don't want to hit anywhere past the whole.

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you don't want to coming back to your feet.

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Which we've seen a lot. Yeah. I mean I don't

0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>show that sort of stuff on TV that much, but

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>it happens during the tournament. Quite a lot of guys

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 2>will part up to that pin and it'll just roll

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 2>back to your feet. It's incredible. And then Sunday and

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 2>then it's the funnest pin in golf. It's brilliant fun.

0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>With the way they set it up. Sunday it's ingenious too,

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 1>because twelve it's in the toughest location on the green,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and sixteen they give you a chance to score it

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:34.959
<v Speaker 1>coming out.

0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the easiest location. I mean, coming in thirteen is

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 2>in probably one of the easiest spots on the green.

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 2>But you've got to hit an incredibly two incredibly high

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.480
<v Speaker 2>quality shots to have that ego part. And if you do,

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you you earn it. You know, you really earn it.

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen you earn your ego part, you really do. You've

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:58.120
<v Speaker 2>got to. If you're hanging on and you're nervous and

0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you hit fifteen green into you, you deserve everything. I mean,

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>that is a really tough thing to do. Sixteen. It

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 2>gives you a chance to make up for something you

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:10.960
<v Speaker 2>might have done on fifteen, and it gives you a

0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>chance to kind of solidify your advantage or continue your

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. And it's what a spectator hole. I mean

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>that there couldn't be many better places to watch golf

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 2>than sixteen on Sunday, the Masters, I mean, you're gonna

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 2>have twenty five balls when they land you think might

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.359
<v Speaker 2>go in. Quite often, it seems the last ten years

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:30.880
<v Speaker 2>there's been one or two hole in ones. I've been

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 2>quite regularly. Every couple of years. It seems like we

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 2>have a couple that's another one of those holes. It

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 2>feels like they have that pin so dialed in that

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>if they want hole in ones, they can almost orchestrate

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.160
<v Speaker 2>them almost they can move it four inches one four

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 2>inches one way, or are the four inch one it

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:47.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go in four inches the other way that's the

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 2>one where it might go in. It's incredible. And then again,

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>if you hit the smart shot and you can somewhat

0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 2>get it under the hole, it's a relatively easy part.

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.360
<v Speaker 2>But if you've had it pass the hole, it's just

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>a part. Again. I mean, you can make the put

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 2>break as much as you want. I mean Tiger's chip,

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:05.799
<v Speaker 2>so if you're on the back left edge of the green,

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you could hit it kind of straight with a bit

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of speed, or you can make the put break thirty

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>feet if you wanted to. You know, it's just one

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 2>of those crazy situations. But what a hole and what

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 2>an environment and the whole the whole setting there. It's

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.880
<v Speaker 2>just and that's the meat end of the business end

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of the tournament. That's usually when there's it's quite close

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to the fifteenth green, so you're very aware of what

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the people are doing on fifteen when you're playing sixteen

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>and vice versa, and there's always action and activity.

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I wonder whether if there's like a correlation between the

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.279
<v Speaker 1>guy that hits the great shout on fifteen coming right

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 1>into six because I always feel like the run comes

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen. I think it's really hard for a guy

0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to in very I don't think a lot of guys

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 1>have ever done it where they've you know, there are

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 1>guys that have done it. But you get on those

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.919
<v Speaker 1>runs in golf, like you run through twelve, thirteen, four,

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 1>then fifteen you make style, but then then there's the

0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen run.

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can go three to two, you've seen that,

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 2>and you can go three to seven, four, three to one.

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:17.439
<v Speaker 2>It's a It's an incredible place in tournament golf. Maybe

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of the coolest spot because again sixteen, if you

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 2>sat on sixteen on Sunday, you can see fifteen generally

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 2>for most seats probably, so you're you're very aware of

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 2>two of maybe the most pivotal holes on the course.

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.320
<v Speaker 2>They're right in front of you. It's incredible.

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I keep thinking about Sergio where he made that

0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>great part on thirteen and then fifteen. Hit a close

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixteen here really close, but didn't make the put.

0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough put if you're past it.

0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 2>If your past it is incredibly difficult. If you're four feet, yeah,

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 2>four feet, it breaks a lot. I mean, no one

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 2>likes to hit four foot as much outside the hole,

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 2>but you really have to just trust that it's going

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 2>to break and you've got to hit it a foot

0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:57.919
<v Speaker 2>outside of the hole, almost even more. Maybe sometimes it's

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 2>a and again it's in the shadows. It's in the shade.

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 2>You can't quite see it as clearly. You're very aware

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that if you let it go low, it's going to

0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 2>go six or eight feet past, even at no speed,

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 2>very very to make the hole in one. To hit

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 2>it really really close, you have to almost get it

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 2>past the hole, off the tee to the right and

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>have it come back towards it. But again, if you

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>pull that a little bit, you're going to be long

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:27.080
<v Speaker 2>down where Tiger was or even at the back edge

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 2>of the green, and you've got your You've got your

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 2>work cut out just two punting.

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you play seventeen with Ay's in horror Tree?

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, what was the fact of losing that?

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Ah, it looks quite a lot wider, But effectively, I

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think it changed it for us too much because

0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>we were generally flying eyes and how tree. By the

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>time I played it, we were hitting the one after

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the one that said now or the there was a

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 2>one after it that I think they planted thirty years

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.880
<v Speaker 2>after the eyes now tree. But that became the problem

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.440
<v Speaker 2>for us because it was the now tree was quite short,

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 2>not quite short, but we could mostly fly it, but

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 2>it was visually less intimidating when it was gone. Again, relatively,

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean the trees on the right they got introduced

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:18.000
<v Speaker 2>at some point ninety eight, was it or two thousand

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and five.

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of those two.

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Five relatively easy t shirt, but it's a T shirt

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that gets your attention. And again it's another one on us.

0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 2>You really want to hit it hard and hit a

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 2>good one because uphill, it's uphill, the ball's not going

0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to run anywhere, and you get a big advantage for

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 2>getting it to a certain distance because it's on the

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 2>flat and the ball runs out a bit. But if

0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.440
<v Speaker 2>it flies ten yard short or it just hits and stops,

0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 2>you can have a semi blind six sign into a green.

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 1>That's from an up slope, from an up.

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Slope that, yeah, seventeen might be my favorite green on

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the course, just because I like the green. But yeah,

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want a six sign, that's semi blind.

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 2>And again, the wind is kind of whistling there's no

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.440
<v Speaker 2>trees anywhere to the right of the green. Say, the

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>trees on the right of the fairway kind of end

0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards short of the green. So it feels

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 2>like one of those spots where the wind can kind

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:13.040
<v Speaker 2>of whistle through and over the back. Again, it's an

0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>interesting green. Over the back of the right hand side

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 2>is completely terrible. So when the pins are on the

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 2>right half of the green, you have to miss it

0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 2>short of the green or short of the pin. Yeah,

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And if the pins are on the left, you want

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to miss it past the hole. It's a it's a

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:28.760
<v Speaker 2>front to back green on the right, and it's a

0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a back to front green on the right, and

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a front to back green on the left.

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>It's actually one of the rare holes that work works

0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 1>against the lefty the green. Yeah, And so you can't

0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 1>really tell the wind when Rose was coming down that

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Sergio masters I remember Rose ended up in that front

0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>bunker to that back pin. On Sunday, there's death. This

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 1>such a hard shot to hit all the way there.

0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 2>It is tough because again you are so conscious of

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>over the back. Yeah, Scott hook that incredible shot nine

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 2>nine from over the back what four or five feet

1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that is. That's again it's a one in ten up

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and down from mine, and that's really high the back

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>right hand side of the green and it runs down

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to the eighteenth tee, so it can really go a

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.160
<v Speaker 2>long way below the level of the surface of the

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.920
<v Speaker 2>green again up one of those really slow hills onto

1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 2>a really fast down slope. So a lot of people

1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 2>hit it in that front right bunker because they're just

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're between clubs, you have to pick the shorter one.

1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>You can't cruise on the longer one. You just can't

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 2>because you just you can get it up and down

1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 2>from the front right. It's really difficult, but you can,

1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 2>but you just basically can't from long right. So you'll

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.400
<v Speaker 2>see a lot of balls either in that front bunker

1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:37.080
<v Speaker 2>for those right side pins or like running off that

1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:39.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of falsy front on the extreme right of the green,

1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's a relatively easy up and down, so it's

1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.000
<v Speaker 2>it's all relative on the seventeenth hold the masters, but

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you can do it from there, and you don't really

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 2>want to be on the left hand side of the

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:52.439
<v Speaker 2>green because that's one of the greens where the whole

1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:55.280
<v Speaker 2>raised creek is the low part of the course. Phenomenon

1:00:55.680 --> 1:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>is very evident. The put from the left hand side

1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 2>of seventeen to the right, it's it seems like an

1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:07.800
<v Speaker 2>uphill part, but it's actually quite downhill. But at least

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>it plays downhill because of the grain or the slope

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.040
<v Speaker 2>or raised creek or whatever it is. So you got

1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:14.959
<v Speaker 2>that twenty foot of from thirty foot to forty foot

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.000
<v Speaker 2>from left that you feel like you have to bash,

1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 2>but you actually have to hit it quite a lot

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:23.040
<v Speaker 2>softer than you think. And that's when it looks uphill.

1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Your brain gets confused when it's downhill. Now it looks uphill,

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:28.280
<v Speaker 2>but it isn't really. It might be flat, it might

1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:33.880
<v Speaker 2>not be downhill, but it's certainly not uphill as it looks.

1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.680
<v Speaker 1>That's where not having like the contour books is so

1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:39.280
<v Speaker 1>big now, because.

1:01:39.080 --> 1:01:41.240
<v Speaker 2>That would just tell you it's that way, That would

1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:42.960
<v Speaker 2>tell you that's way. But I still think there's an

1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 2>element that the green books that they just you can

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.160
<v Speaker 2>like logically see that it's not uphill, that it's downhill,

1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.040
<v Speaker 2>but your brain still sees what it sees, and it

1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:59.360
<v Speaker 2>sees uphill. You know. That's the topic a little bit

1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:05.360
<v Speaker 2>of an optical that green sometimes so it's a seventy

1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:07.720
<v Speaker 2>is a really incredibly difficult, difficult green. I mean that

1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.440
<v Speaker 2>back left pin I think they did it on Friday

1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 2>is a really fun pin because you can kind of

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.240
<v Speaker 2>filter things down in towards it, and you can miss

1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:14.520
<v Speaker 2>it just over the green. You see a lot of

1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:16.120
<v Speaker 2>guys will chip it in from just over the back.

1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:20.920
<v Speaker 2>The whole shots from just over the back. So the

1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:23.720
<v Speaker 2>left pin short is bad, long is good, the right

1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:27.480
<v Speaker 2>pin short is good, long as bad again, completely changing

1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:30.400
<v Speaker 2>the way you approach the second shot just by moving

1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the pin, which is again it happens all the way

1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:33.320
<v Speaker 2>around the court.

1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:38.600
<v Speaker 1>That's it's neat this variety too, with how it with

1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the other holes on the back where you know long

1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:42.520
<v Speaker 1>left is mostly dead.

1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, long generally is dead, but augusta in four or

1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:50.280
<v Speaker 2>five spots is kind of sneaky, and that it doesn't

1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:53.280
<v Speaker 2>look like long would be decent. But in some situations

1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:55.560
<v Speaker 2>long is actually pretty good and short is actually awful,

1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.960
<v Speaker 2>And fourteen is fourteen is definitely like that, and seventeen

1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:00.840
<v Speaker 2>on the left hand side is definitely like that too.

1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean short on seventeen isn't on the left is

1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:07.200
<v Speaker 2>an awful but it's markedly easier from past the pin

1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:07.880
<v Speaker 2>on that left pin.

1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:12.000
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't hit any of the greens, but we're

1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:14.520
<v Speaker 1>in all the right spots, it would be pretty easy

1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to shoot around part right.

1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're a nice chipper and you've got a

1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:22.720
<v Speaker 2>decent short game, it doesn't present anything other than just

1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>a relatively normal challenge from the right miss on every hole,

1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:28.439
<v Speaker 2>for every pin. There is a correct miss for every

1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:30.959
<v Speaker 2>hole and every pin. It's just really difficult to work

1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.040
<v Speaker 2>out what that miss is because it's not often what

1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:36.640
<v Speaker 2>you think, and it's they're difficult spots to hit it into.

1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:44.400
<v Speaker 2>It's it's often difficult to work out where the miss

1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:47.800
<v Speaker 2>is at the master's and it's always difficult to miss

1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:50.880
<v Speaker 2>it there. It's always difficult to miss it in the

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<v Speaker 2>right spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to figure out, and then even harder to get to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not always. They If you put the

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<v Speaker 2>easy pin on every green, there's eight or nine pins

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're hitting it well, you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>lots of short birdy parts. But there is five or

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<v Speaker 2>six really hard pins on every single green that you

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<v Speaker 2>could if they really wanted to, they could get the

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<v Speaker 2>whole film shoot over par in the day. I think

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<v Speaker 2>really if they really like went to the hardest pin

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<v Speaker 2>on every green, it'd be incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoot underpath Yeah, hard Pendeeah. Battle of Attrition is eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt as claustrophobic as it looks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very narrow, and I've seen Jordan's it last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He caught that tree right and it kind of stopped

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<v Speaker 2>his great round, A bit of a black, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a I don't know, sad finish to an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible run race shots. Did shoot sixty four, sixty four,

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<v Speaker 2>shot sixty four with bog line and he caught that tree. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen guys do in practice, and I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>done a couple of guys doing the tournament, But generally

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably wider than it appears. It's a very narrow

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<v Speaker 2>kind of corridor and it's a tough T shot. But

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<v Speaker 2>for me it was always one of my more comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>T shots on the course because my miss is right,

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<v Speaker 2>not left. My miss was always a kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>week kind of drift to the right. If I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like really smash it, it would be not right, but

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<v Speaker 2>drifting just kind of right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Feeders eat hookers eat hamburger.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. So and after they made it longer,

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<v Speaker 2>I struggled to get it to the bunkers. It's two

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<v Speaker 2>ninety or three hundred uphill to that bunker and a

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<v Speaker 2>fair way that really it rolls about three yards because

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<v Speaker 2>it's well, it's really steep uphill. You saw and bounce

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more on the old days. But when they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of started cutting every fairway back towards the tea

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<v Speaker 2>like that, it just took it just took enough off

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<v Speaker 2>the first bounce, so it just pretty much hits and

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<v Speaker 2>stops on eighteen. So for me, I just aimed at

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<v Speaker 2>the bunkers and smashed it as I could, and generally

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<v Speaker 2>if I missed it, that would just drift off to

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<v Speaker 2>the right middle of the fairway, and if I had

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<v Speaker 2>it straight then it probably didn't get to the bunker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was fine. But the second shot I've found

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<v Speaker 2>really difficult because again, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really hard driving hall for a gay that

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<v Speaker 1>hiss the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for Fleetwood Macaroi, that's a tough shot. Like these

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<v Speaker 2>big drawers who struggle to move the ball left right.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Day, he's three wood. He doesn't really love moving

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<v Speaker 2>the ball left right as much as he does the

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<v Speaker 2>other way. These guys, it's quite tricky. And again the

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<v Speaker 2>longer you get, the harder it gets. The really long

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<v Speaker 2>guys really have to be wary of those bunkers because

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<v Speaker 2>they're deep and they're no fun. You can hit it

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<v Speaker 2>on the green out of them, but you just much

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<v Speaker 2>prefer not to be in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventeen is better for a fader too right to certain.

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<v Speaker 2>Extent, probably, yeah, I mean no, especially well Eisenhow's tree

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<v Speaker 2>kind of makes you want h to draw? Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>there's again some bit of overhang on the left off

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<v Speaker 2>the tee on seventeen to someone who's sit in the

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<v Speaker 2>big fade. So, I mean it looks like you want

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<v Speaker 2>to draw it off of seventeenth tee. It doesn't really.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to hit it either way. On seven

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<v Speaker 2>you can hit whichever T shirt you want, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>your eye gets drawn to hitting a draw. Eighteen is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not a draw T shirt. And the second shot

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<v Speaker 2>I was found difficult because it's a really extreme upside.

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<v Speaker 2>You're hitting it off and hitting it up a long hill.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if it's one sixty, you got to the pin.

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<v Speaker 2>It's playing one seventy five, like it's playing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>longer than a measures and it's off up slopes. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>my miss, particularly off upslopes. If I missed it, I

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<v Speaker 2>missed it right. And so you miss it in that

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<v Speaker 2>right bunker, which is very rarely a good spot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay to the back right pin, oh, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the back pins, but to that sunday pin, that

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<v Speaker 2>right bunker, it seems like it would be the miss.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a really, really tough shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that upslopes? The upslop's the hardest one

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<v Speaker 1>to manage your distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, because it wants you to go short right

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<v Speaker 2>the ball goes up in the air and ends up short,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one of that you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>short there either. I mean it's again, there isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>good miss on eighteen on the green. Maybe over the

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<v Speaker 2>back on the back tier. You know, the guys just

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<v Speaker 2>dribble the puts out of the fringe and roll it

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<v Speaker 2>down to the hole. You see. Most guys get it

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<v Speaker 2>up and down from over the back on eighteen. They're

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<v Speaker 2>into that back then, but left of the green on

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen runs down into the patrons, and that's an awful

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<v Speaker 2>kind of spot to be and that right bunker. As

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's no guarantee you look off a good lie.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could find a bit of an upslope and

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<v Speaker 2>a good lie, it would be relatively simple bunker shot

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<v Speaker 2>for most two guys to get it up and down

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<v Speaker 2>from that right bunker. But you generally don't end up

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<v Speaker 2>on the upslope, but a really perfect lie you end

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<v Speaker 2>up on the flat or a downslope. And it's the

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<v Speaker 2>last hole we've be around at the Masters, and you

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<v Speaker 2>really just want to get in and there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people around, and that's not really the shot you love.

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<v Speaker 2>But again that front pin on eighteen that we've historically

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot of people make birdie where people hold

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<v Speaker 2>that putt from the Marko mirror partn all those parts

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<v Speaker 2>from twenty feet right of the pin. You've got probably

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty foot circle to hit it like depth and width,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll have that part. You'll run up the tier,

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<v Speaker 2>run back, or it'll just land and roll in. That

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<v Speaker 2>spot will generally end up there, But if you miss

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<v Speaker 2>that thirty foot circle, you're going to have some problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that it is like anything. It's the whole theme

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<v Speaker 1>of the place. If you hit it in the race spart,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a good look.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And some days, the birdie days or the days

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<v Speaker 2>they set up for people to go low, or the

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<v Speaker 2>hole the specific holes when they set up to go low,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got massive circles of areas to hit it into

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<v Speaker 2>and the ball will go towards a hole, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the very next day they move the pin twenty feet

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<v Speaker 2>across theales. How they're green, and you've got absolutely minuscule

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<v Speaker 2>targets to keep it near the hole, and if it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>it repels fifty feet away from the hole all day.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it really is a course that just purely

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<v Speaker 2>by the pimp positions, they can completely change the way

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about your swing, the way you are, the

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<v Speaker 2>putch you're going to have. It's it's every hole can

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<v Speaker 2>play difficult, and generally most holes, not all holes, but

1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:13.640
<v Speaker 2>most holes could play somewhat easy with simple pins or

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<v Speaker 2>the fun funnel pins and the repelling pins. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>every hole complay just so brutally difficult. And again the

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<v Speaker 2>genius again usually is it makes you tight and scared

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<v Speaker 2>to miss it, and that's when you don't hit precise shots,

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<v Speaker 2>hit in precise shots. When you do that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where it catches you out. That's why you see guys

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<v Speaker 2>like Phil and Phil win the tournament a lot because

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<v Speaker 2>they've got that cavalier win or it doesn't matter kind

1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:41.680
<v Speaker 2>of attitude. And that really is the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of truly contend that the Masses consistently is to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little bit cavalier about it. You've got to

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<v Speaker 2>play well, you can't miss it, but it rewards free

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<v Speaker 2>swinging aggression.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a great way to put it. It's that close.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of tightens up after sixteen, where it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little tough clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you get thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. With the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday pins, you have every chance to have four birdies

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<v Speaker 2>in a row there or twenty eleven. I birdied twelve

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<v Speaker 2>through sixteen. Actually you got every chance. Then you stand

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<v Speaker 2>on the seventeen and you are you are earning your

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<v Speaker 2>two pars. Like if you have to pile the last

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<v Speaker 2>two holes to win the Masses, and you do, every

1:11:25.160 --> 1:11:26.920
<v Speaker 2>golfer's ever played there is going to take their hat

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<v Speaker 2>off and go well done. They are not easy pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen is not round not that long and guys have

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<v Speaker 2>relatively short shots in there. But it's one of those

1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:38.439
<v Speaker 2>ropel pins where you really don't have a very big

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<v Speaker 2>area to hit it in two and if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>hit it in that area, you're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>really tough time making par and eighteen is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>similar to that front pin. It's a very arniable pin,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you miss that area, you're gonna have an

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<v Speaker 2>awful time making power.

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<v Speaker 1>My question, they you know, have tabled if you flip

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<v Speaker 1>the flip the nines when they were originally done the

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<v Speaker 1>way the first two tournaments were played would have been

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<v Speaker 1>the front nine at the back nine and you'd almost

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<v Speaker 1>have the reverse effect of the nines where you're really

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<v Speaker 1>tough holes would be the middle of the back nine.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the last three with seven being a short

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<v Speaker 1>part four par five short part four would be almost

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<v Speaker 1>a different dynamic, right it would.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would be completely different. And again, whether

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<v Speaker 2>this was the genius of Robertson Jones kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that, or they liked the logistics of it, or

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<v Speaker 2>they liked the feel of the first hole rather than

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<v Speaker 2>the tenth as a first hole, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the tenth would be a beautiful first T shot. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone gets it running it down the hill and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really wide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's they're both nice first holes, right, Actually they're

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<v Speaker 2>both tricky holes, but nice T shots to get the

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<v Speaker 2>field away again, either serendipitous or genius or a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of both, you know, just this kind of sense and

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<v Speaker 2>feeling that, you know what, there's more drama on this

1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:12.040
<v Speaker 2>back nine, as we know it than there is on

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<v Speaker 2>the other one. I mean, seven eight nine, there's there's drama,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no water, there's probably no doubles, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>no real double bogies. You know, the score thirteen is

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<v Speaker 2>legitimately four to seven, the score three to seven, scoring

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<v Speaker 2>rate fourteen is three four and five. Maybe even a

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<v Speaker 2>six fifteen is three four five six seven. Sixteen is

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<v Speaker 2>two to five. You know, as much more dramatic swing

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<v Speaker 2>as you're going to get in the scores through those holes,

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<v Speaker 2>and seven eight nine you could get par birdie par

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<v Speaker 2>really really regularly. You probably won't see many doubles on seven,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see no doubles on one. The whole nine you

1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:59.120
<v Speaker 2>can mess up, but it's a pretty wide fair way,

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<v Speaker 2>and really, if you had to make par you can

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<v Speaker 2>find a way to just kind of miss it long

1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:03.800
<v Speaker 2>right of the pin and just find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>make par right. But there's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. You

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<v Speaker 2>can be six under or six over with a few

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<v Speaker 2>bad swings or a few good swings. I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>drama that's what makes the Masters is the swings and

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<v Speaker 2>the drama, like the you're never too far back. Really

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<v Speaker 2>with five or six holes to play on the front,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be.

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<v Speaker 1>The only other course that's got that kind of three

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<v Speaker 1>whole dynamic on the back is Sawgrass with sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Sawgrass does it well too. I mean that was again

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<v Speaker 2>the genius of peat Die. It was sixteen. It's three

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<v Speaker 2>to seven, right, I mean it's but it's eagle to double.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen is two to whatever you want, and eighteen is

1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe the hardest stadium hole anywhere in the world. So

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<v Speaker 2>you you get a chance to kind of solidify your

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<v Speaker 2>score on sixteen, and it's just you can maybe make

1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:57.960
<v Speaker 2>a Burtie on seventeen with a good shot, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can have a train wre because the nerve most nervous

1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:01.920
<v Speaker 2>where John You're ever going to have an eighteen it's

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<v Speaker 2>just two of the best shots you've ever hit, or

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<v Speaker 2>even a misagreen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then with the US Open, where you have

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<v Speaker 1>the long rough, it just mutes the dispersion of scores.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you you end up the US Opens, at

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<v Speaker 2>least in my lifetime have been hang on for dear

1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:27.680
<v Speaker 2>life and my one I was the only one to

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<v Speaker 2>part of the last four holes in the last eight

1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:32.680
<v Speaker 2>groups or something like. It's so the guy who made

1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the most pars is the guy who won the tournament

1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.240
<v Speaker 2>the Masters. That's never going to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>That dynamic of seventeen eighteen and Augusta is like the

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<v Speaker 1>last sex at US Op.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the first, it's the last eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't know. It's just the perfect golf course,

1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:57.360
<v Speaker 2>along with a perfect venue and conditioning and history and

1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:02.479
<v Speaker 2>tradition and everything else. It's the perfect kind of in

1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the back nine. You start the back

1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:07.840
<v Speaker 2>nine like you pay attention, and then it's like, well,

1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:10.679
<v Speaker 2>here's your chance. And then it's like, well, now you've

1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:12.680
<v Speaker 2>taken your chance. Now you got to you've got to

1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:16.720
<v Speaker 2>prove it. You've got to like reconcile your score or

1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.080
<v Speaker 2>solidify your score, or you know you're not. You don't

1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.360
<v Speaker 2>get away that easy. You know you've got to You

1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>can't just go five under from thirteen to sixteen and

1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:27.960
<v Speaker 2>then just like fake your way in. I mean, you're

1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:30.760
<v Speaker 2>going to four real golf shots in the last two

1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:31.839
<v Speaker 2>in sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the one place on the entire back nine really

1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:38.559
<v Speaker 1>where you can you can hit a shot that might

1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:41.840
<v Speaker 1>be average and have it turnout really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, And there's a few again those big, those

1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:49.840
<v Speaker 2>big bucket pins or those kind of you would say

1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:52.760
<v Speaker 2>not repelling pins, the ones that are the balls. The

1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:54.880
<v Speaker 2>pin seems to attract the ball. There's that low one

1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.160
<v Speaker 2>on seven that they use, is the bottom one on six,

1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:01.040
<v Speaker 2>There's the low one on sixt there's that middle one

1:17:01.080 --> 1:17:04.519
<v Speaker 2>on fourteen. There's there's a bunch of holes out there nine.

1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:06.439
<v Speaker 2>That kind of front pin. Guys can hit it pretty

1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:09.400
<v Speaker 2>close from anywhere around at the border seems to get

1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:13.360
<v Speaker 2>attracted towards the pin. There's a lot of opportunity if

1:17:13.360 --> 1:17:15.799
<v Speaker 2>you're hitting good shots to hit it inside ten feet

1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:18.800
<v Speaker 2>eight times in a day, but with shots that aren't

1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:23.160
<v Speaker 2>really normally wouldn't be inside ten feet anywhere else, but

1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of times that week where you

1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.720
<v Speaker 2>could hit shots that would normally be ten feet that

1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:27.559
<v Speaker 2>they're fifty feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the contour. Is what's the amazing thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? A dog talked about it, and a part

1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of Tom dok about the how he wishes as some

1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:43.040
<v Speaker 1>of us. Course he coupit signs and bumps. They said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're reading this around the roank side of this contour, yeah,

1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and that's like what you were talking about with fifteen,

1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:51.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're coming from the rate totally on the rong

1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:53.479
<v Speaker 1>side of that versus the left if you're coming in

1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:54.920
<v Speaker 1>on the on the third chat.

1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And there's so much counterintuitive, like almost for the guy

1:17:58.800 --> 1:18:02.679
<v Speaker 2>who understands strategy yet first August is almost harder.

1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:03.720
<v Speaker 1>It tricks you.

1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:07.479
<v Speaker 2>It tricks you because the common logic on fifteen for

1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the left pin would be to lay it up down

1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the right, which is what I did, and it's just

1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.080
<v Speaker 2>completely awful over there. You want to actually be almost

1:18:14.120 --> 1:18:16.439
<v Speaker 2>down in the left rough so and that happens all

1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:18.679
<v Speaker 2>the way around the course like long right on fourteen.

1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.479
<v Speaker 2>It's the same. It's kind of counterintuitive. Long left on seventeen.

1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Long is generally bad everywhere in the world, right on

1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:29.840
<v Speaker 2>fast green courses. But the third long is doable, suret

1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:37.360
<v Speaker 2>is not. It's and again the slopes, the use of slope.

1:18:37.400 --> 1:18:39.640
<v Speaker 2>The course is on quite a hill. The clubhouse is

1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.400
<v Speaker 2>quite a long way above the twelfth Green. I don't

1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:48.240
<v Speaker 2>know how many feet, two hundred feet, it's documented. But

1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:52.200
<v Speaker 2>it's the traversing the slopes. They don't necessarily go straight

1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:53.160
<v Speaker 2>up and down the hills.

1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Middle side courses is it gets really repetitive.

1:18:57.200 --> 1:18:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Up they go up and down, whereas Augusta goes across.

1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:04.280
<v Speaker 2>And so the genius of Jones and Mackenzie were and

1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.160
<v Speaker 2>everyone else who's had their kind of hands on it.

1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Along the way, it's the slope on the fairway almost

1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:15.439
<v Speaker 2>always is the opposite of the shot you want to hit.

1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:20.280
<v Speaker 2>So they built greens that reward shots that the slope

1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:23.719
<v Speaker 2>on the fairway is making you do the other one.

1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:29.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's all the way around the course. It's as

1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's a bit fortunate, and it's great architecture,

1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:39.679
<v Speaker 2>great routing. It's just one of those kind of magic

1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of coming togethers of things that just makes it

1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:47.360
<v Speaker 2>really really work, and it provides an incredible golf course.

1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:49.120
<v Speaker 2>For the average person to play. I mean, it would

1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:52.439
<v Speaker 2>be as fun as everybody thinks it really would, because

1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the adien handicapper once you kind of if he could

1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:55.639
<v Speaker 2>get his nerves out of the way and get out

1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:58.320
<v Speaker 2>of the fact that he's at the Masters, play it

1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:00.439
<v Speaker 2>two or three times, sensibly he would be shooting his

1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.599
<v Speaker 2>handicap or under it every time, with a good caddy

1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:04.640
<v Speaker 2>who told him where to hit it. You can keep

1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.120
<v Speaker 2>it out of trouble all day if you want. There's

1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:08.599
<v Speaker 2>almost no force carries really, and mean twelves a forced carry,

1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:11.120
<v Speaker 2>but it's a pretty short hole and fifteen you could

1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:13.160
<v Speaker 2>even go around it if you wanted to. There's no

1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:16.320
<v Speaker 2>real forced carries. There's no ruugh off the tee. You

1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:18.200
<v Speaker 2>can hit the ball along the ground all day except

1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:22.200
<v Speaker 2>for probably twelve fifteen, and you could play your handicap

1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty comfortably and have a really good day. But as

1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:26.439
<v Speaker 2>soon as you start trying to break your handicap by much,

1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:29.639
<v Speaker 2>that's when it all gets too hard. And that's the thing.

1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Every day you go on these cycles. You start conservative

1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.240
<v Speaker 2>when you get there because you're scared to get it wrong,

1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and you gradually realize you've got to get more aggressive,

1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:41.479
<v Speaker 2>more aggresive, more aggressive, and you start thinking, I've got

1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:44.200
<v Speaker 2>this place, I've got this place. And then you get

1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:45.960
<v Speaker 2>aggressive and have an average day and hit a few

1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:47.920
<v Speaker 2>bad shots and you have train wrecks everywhere, and then

1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:49.080
<v Speaker 2>you get all the way back to the beginning and

1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:51.240
<v Speaker 2>you get conservative again, and then you go through that,

1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you get more and more confident and more aggressive, and

1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:56.400
<v Speaker 2>then you go back. It just it's just eventually, the

1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:58.439
<v Speaker 2>more aggressive you get that you're just going to get burnt.

1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:01.160
<v Speaker 2>At some point, A guy.

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<v Speaker 1>A batting guy I read, I can't remember who it was.

1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Ben Corley sort of listing rounds

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<v Speaker 1>in the sixties from guys. I think that's because from

1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:15.880
<v Speaker 1>what I'm here, when you push it, if you feel

1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:18.800
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be really hard after you get it

1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:21.479
<v Speaker 1>one day, when you get the court, when you got it,

1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you walk off the course you got, I

1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:26.479
<v Speaker 1>really got that. The next day's got to be hard,

1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:29.519
<v Speaker 1>because if you don't, you never seem to have the

1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.360
<v Speaker 1>same stuff after a really great round.

1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:33.800
<v Speaker 2>No, it's never quite the same as it when you

1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:37.240
<v Speaker 2>have a mid sixties or relatively for everybody like that

1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>low round that four or five, six, Sunday annakeb or

1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:41.560
<v Speaker 2>your level or whatever it is. The next day is

1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:42.559
<v Speaker 2>really difficult, right, But.

1:21:42.520 --> 1:21:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Then you're trying to get it like you got it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. And it's and again, the holes can change

1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.240
<v Speaker 2>so much. I mean a lot of them stay, I

1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:52.920
<v Speaker 2>mean six or seven of them stay pretty much the

1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:54.559
<v Speaker 2>same way of the pin is. The first is always

1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a tough hole. Whatever happens into the grain. Ten is

1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a tough to There's no real eazy pins on ten.

1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:00.720
<v Speaker 2>There's no easy way to play ten. Eleven's the same

1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:02.679
<v Speaker 2>pretty much every day, I mean a little bit different.

1:22:02.680 --> 1:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>But then you'll get holes like two, which will have

1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>really crazy tough pins and then really easy pins. And

1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.920
<v Speaker 2>you'll get six with just the most outrageous pin high

1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:13.639
<v Speaker 2>on the right and are really really the left hands

1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:16.400
<v Speaker 2>tire the green. You kind of take a breath and

1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody hits it close, you know. In sixteen, again there's

1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:22.080
<v Speaker 2>the two easiest pins of the week at other masters,

1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and the two hardest pins of the week might all

1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:27.920
<v Speaker 2>be on sixteen, you know. And that's genius architecture, really,

1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.840
<v Speaker 2>because you get a different challenge every day, and you

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>think you've got sixteen worked out well, put the pin

1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:34.519
<v Speaker 2>up the top. You're not gonna have it worked out,

1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's yeah, it's brilliant, it's really good. And

1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the variation that the variation in score from hole to

1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:44.960
<v Speaker 2>hole in day to day is the sixty six on

1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Thursday is completely different from how you have to do

1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:49.439
<v Speaker 2>a sixty six on Friday because the holes that were

1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>EASi is show Thursday are probably going to be really

1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:55.880
<v Speaker 2>tough on Friday and vice versa. So it's with the

1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:58.559
<v Speaker 2>exception of thirteen and fifteen, I mean, they're traditionally the

1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:01.680
<v Speaker 2>holes appill make birdies in the path five. But you

1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>play one hole easy one day and then the next

1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:07.000
<v Speaker 2>day that those those easy ones are hard and the

1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>hard ones yesterday are a little bit easier. And it's

1:23:09.840 --> 1:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>a it's the drama, it's the fluctuat, it's the it's

1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the range of scores that it makes you shoot on

1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:19.559
<v Speaker 2>each hole that keeps it endlessly interesting.

1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, endlessly interesting the way. That's a great way to

1:23:23.920 --> 1:23:24.960
<v Speaker 1>describe the masters.

1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. And for the master's sake, they have

1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:33.160
<v Speaker 2>there is such their advantage. One of their big advantages

1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:36.759
<v Speaker 2>is they you play a tournament at the same course

1:23:36.840 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 2>every year, and they pay attention to every single shot.

1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:44.240
<v Speaker 2>There's people watching every part in every shot, and they

1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>understand their pins to within six inches, and they understand

1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:51.360
<v Speaker 2>the weather and how soft or firmed the fairways are,

1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the pace of the greens. They can get their subair system,

1:23:54.400 --> 1:23:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the gronomy at that point, the humidity, the temperature, I mean,

1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>absolutely everything, and then they can't dictator score, but they

1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:09.080
<v Speaker 2>seem to be able to create the drama that they

1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:13.679
<v Speaker 2>need and the tournament to almost always ends up Sunday

1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:17.160
<v Speaker 2>afternoon with unbelievable fun for the last two or three hours.

1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're just it's an advantage of having the

1:24:19.400 --> 1:24:21.639
<v Speaker 2>same course, but it's it's testament to them and hats

1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:24.400
<v Speaker 2>off that they can actually they pay enough attention and

1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>they're clever enough and smart enough, and they know the

1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:30.120
<v Speaker 2>game and they understand everything well enough that every year

1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.360
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, even if the first few days it's like, oh,

1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.080
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a weird master is sure enough.

1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>It's five of the top ten in the world making

1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:38.800
<v Speaker 2>birdies and eagles on the back nine and doubles coming

1:24:38.800 --> 1:24:40.840
<v Speaker 2>down the stretch, and the sun always seems to come out,

1:24:40.880 --> 1:24:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's like the great Shadows, and it's they it's

1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the attention to detail that they have and the understanding

1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.599
<v Speaker 2>of what they've got and how to and how to.

1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:53.679
<v Speaker 2>They can't, as I said, they can't dictate a score,

1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:55.400
<v Speaker 2>but they seem to be able to dictate a style

1:24:55.439 --> 1:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of play, or encourage a style of play, and encourage

1:24:57.960 --> 1:25:02.080
<v Speaker 2>a score line and a level of drama that no

1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>other tournament of course, seems to be able to do.

1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:07.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a I mean, I say, I'm gushing like a fan,

1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:11.479
<v Speaker 2>but like if the more times you come to the Masters,

1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the more you just appreciate what they do. It's just

1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>an incredible thing.

1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's reason why everybody casual go found dey

1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Holish is the Master.

1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're going, I mean, I'm going pretty deep

1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.479
<v Speaker 2>into this. I mean, it's probably not as complicated or

1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.360
<v Speaker 2>as fancy as that. It's just a really great golf

1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>course that just allows the great players, the great players

1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:33.160
<v Speaker 2>in the world, when they're playing their best, to show

1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:36.080
<v Speaker 2>their skills off and to show they're like how brave

1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:40.680
<v Speaker 2>they are, as I said, that kind of care free aggression,

1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:43.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, like and only the best playing their best

1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:46.599
<v Speaker 2>can play like that, you know, care free aggression. It's

1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:48.320
<v Speaker 2>like Sergio's aida on or whatever it was in the

1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>fifteen compus. I mean, you wouldn't take that shot on

1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:54.639
<v Speaker 2>at any other course, that exact shot any other tournament ever,

1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>because it's a ridiculous shot to try to hit like

1:25:56.720 --> 1:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>close to that pin on the front there. But the Masters,

1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it just seems to bring that. They seem to be

1:26:01.680 --> 1:26:03.400
<v Speaker 2>able to bring that out of the best in the world,

1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that that kind of take it on like attitude. It's

1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:08.519
<v Speaker 2>just brilliant.

1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's it, We're gonna cut it there. That was

1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>That was awesome. I uh so, I hope everybody enjoys

1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>this they go watch it. Hopefully we got a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I'm sure it will be. It usually

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<v Speaker 2>is unless the weather gets kind of weird. But uh

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<v Speaker 2>I could talk about Augusta all day obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, thanks for coming on.