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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about

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Speaker 1: the big, bold, sometimes scary choices we make, and today

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Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with my dear friend Gabrielle Carteris, who's

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Speaker 1: made some seriously badass moves in Hollywood and in real life.

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Speaker 1: You of course know her as Andrea Zuckerman from nine

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Speaker 1: to two and oho, oh my gosh, just saying that

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Speaker 1: name gives me all the feels, all the nostalgia. But

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Speaker 1: trust me, there's so much more to her story than

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Speaker 1: what you saw on screen. Gabby is honest, bold, and

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Speaker 1: totally inspiring. Welcome my friend, gab Jen. Can you believe

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Speaker 1: it's been thirty five years since the very last episode?

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Speaker 1: Not to make you feel old, but thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Since you know what has been for me? I was

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Speaker 2: then thirty because I came to guest on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but you were at the finale.

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Speaker 3: I was at the finale.

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Speaker 1: So it's been thirty five years. So what have you

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Speaker 1: been doing for the last thirty five years?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Nothing much.

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Speaker 2: It's raising kids, having a whole new life, I mean outside,

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Speaker 2: and so much. So much has happened that book. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I could say in thirty five years, it was like

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Speaker 2: another lifetime. Like I've lived several lifetimes.

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Speaker 1: Right, that was definitely one of them.

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Speaker 3: That was definitely one of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it felt like it felt like a

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Speaker 1: lifetime too, in all.

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Speaker 3: The ways and all the best ways.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem. So not that long ago, we shared

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Speaker 1: an uber ride. We did from somewhere to the airport.

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Speaker 1: It was Chicago, okay. It was a rather long uber ride.

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Speaker 1: So we really had a nice chat and nice it was.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a chat.

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Speaker 2: Actually that was a life changing chat, and so it

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Speaker 2: was a very it was very emotional. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: you're bringing that up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was going to ask you, is it

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Speaker 1: okay if we talk about some closings?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay.

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Speaker 2: I just wasn't there, right, I didn't know what to expect, so,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Clearly bad I know, and I didn't tell you anything.

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Speaker 3: It was a great, great Uber ride.

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Speaker 1: It was a great Uber ride, and we really did

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Speaker 1: talk about some personal things, some of you know, some

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Speaker 1: stuff about the good old days, the days of us

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Speaker 1: filming our beloved Beverly Hills on a two and oh

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Speaker 1: for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: She's like, it's like still on the trauma. It's it's honest,

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Speaker 3: a good talk.

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Speaker 1: About I really have these memories coming out, right, It's

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of layers to it.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of layers.

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Speaker 1: First of all, gratitude, all gratitude because we love it.

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Speaker 1: You and I, I mean, I think all of us

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Speaker 1: at this point just have such an amazing love for

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Speaker 1: the show and appreciation and gratitude.

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Speaker 2: I actually, for me, I can't speak for me, but

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Speaker 2: it's it's shaped my life. It is literally shaped my life.

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Speaker 2: It was, and I think for all of us, right,

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Speaker 2: we're all kind of where we are right now. You

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Speaker 2: cannot attribute some of what the gifts that we have

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Speaker 2: in our lives, you cannot not attribute to the blessing

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Speaker 2: of being on that show.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, first, you were playing sixteen years old

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Speaker 1: on nine or Who and O, but you were actually

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, twenty nine and I'm actually one hundred years old. Now,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. Well that came with a lot of

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Speaker 1: public commentary, probably unwelcome scrutiny. How did you navigate that

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Speaker 1: During the filming of the show, that.

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Speaker 2: Age in the beginning nobody knew.

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Speaker 1: In the beginning, already knew. I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, was I lied?

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Speaker 1: You lied to me?

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Speaker 2: I no, I Well to you guys, you never asked

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Speaker 2: in the beginning, So I just kind of was afraid

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Speaker 2: why you thought you suspected I was older.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't even know. I didn't ask anybody.

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Speaker 3: No, we wudn't ask anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when I look back now, the things I

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Speaker 2: would have asked, Like, I'm such a different human being

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Speaker 2: than I was then, right, But No, when I started

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Speaker 2: have never would have hired me if they had not my.

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Speaker 1: Hairge A little liar, I'm a little like, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I kind of like you more now, I know, because

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Speaker 1: you're not a little devil, a little devil going on?

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Speaker 1: Was that hard for you, that age difference? And yes,

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Speaker 1: knowing it just yourself, I'm sure you felt like you

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Speaker 1: were keeping a big secret us.

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Speaker 2: So there was that when I turned thirty. I did

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Speaker 2: have the birthday party.

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Speaker 3: Did you come to San Francisco?

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Speaker 2: No, doesn't sound familiar. No, the guys came. I think

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Speaker 2: you may have came anyway. Yeah, I think that the

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Speaker 2: hardest thing for me. You know, nine o two to zero,

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Speaker 2: and we've talked about. I mean, it was a really

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Speaker 2: great show about you know, in great stories, but also

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Aaron was very clear the women what we needed to be.

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Speaker 2: You know, I remember notes I can talk about later,

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Speaker 2: but I in our industry, I had been told prior

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Speaker 2: to even nine o two one, Oh, this business is

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Speaker 2: about looks. You know, this has been you know, all

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Speaker 2: those things. So I think that being with you guys,

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Speaker 2: knowing that you were younger, particularly as the years went on,

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Speaker 2: it became harder for me. It became harder for me

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Speaker 2: when I got pregnant with Kelsey, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: was breastfeeding out my breasts were weak when you know,

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Speaker 2: needed to be feeding and I couldn't, and you guys

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Speaker 2: were like still like you know out there kind of

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Speaker 2: there was a lot I don't I say partying, because

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Speaker 2: that wasn't you know, some people did that, but it

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Speaker 2: was just a different thing.

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Speaker 3: I was different.

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Speaker 2: I was married, I was I had my baby, and

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Speaker 2: you guys were like, you know, you were out there

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Speaker 2: being younger and doing the stuff that you do when

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Speaker 3: So I had there.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of juggling for me and a

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Speaker 2: we go to do appearances and stuff, like we go

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Speaker 2: really worked hard to be who I am in my life,

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Speaker 2: like to really let myself be, to celebrate my age,

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Speaker 2: to celebrate my I mean, there's a lot and it

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, people are looking and there's

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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm not all those things. I am

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Speaker 2: other things. But I have a very difficult time at

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Speaker 2: managing it's national.

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Speaker 1: Just around when you're around the nine to two on

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Speaker 2: The nine two oh cast is the hardest for me,

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Speaker 2: particularly for the women, particularly, Like it's not I mean

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Speaker 2: when I'm with you, I don't feel that emotional like

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love you.

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Speaker 1: So I love you too, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I and I love I love our cast. It's

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Speaker 2: not it's the it's the outside looking in. I don't

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Speaker 2: like I'm not here to I'm not here to catch

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Speaker 2: I can really with all of you, I can celebrate

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Speaker 2: I love all of it. But then there is so

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Speaker 2: I just don't do that, and so it's really uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: A place where I could breathe through it.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me. It's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It really is hard people. I often ask myself and

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like, yeah, it's like family, and you

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that way sometimes because like what went on?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember times when you felt uncomfortable kind of

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Speaker 2: Like and I literally I had I've had so many

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Speaker 2: if I went to him, I would lose my job.

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00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. So I went to Luke privately

443
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: and I said, Luke, I want you to know the story.

444
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: I think that there's money that's being collected on our

445
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: behalf and we're not seeing that money. This is what happened.

446
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: And Luke was one who led the audit because he

447
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: knew they wouldn't take him off the show. And that's

448
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: where I know I have courage. I'm not stupid, right,

449
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 2: I could see the map of stuff. I just have

450
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: to find the way to get us there, right, And

451
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: it was that was really so that was a moment

452
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: that I that I don't know what everybody knows about what,

453
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 2: but that was a really big moment.

454
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel truly secure in your job than ever?

455
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: I thought every season and it was gonna be big.

456
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: I was like, right, yeah, is that normal? I guess

457
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of the life of an actor. Though they

458
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: can kill you off anytime. I guess, so I'll help you.

459
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 2: I just but I never I don't you know, what

460
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: though that also look at Yeah, I guess you're never

461
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like we're in a secure industry, right,

462
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 2: And I think because people don't really tell us everything's

463
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: going on, that it kind of makes us vulnerable, right,

464
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: kind of it's like the hook and the fish's mouth.

465
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 3: You know, you're pulled along, and.

466
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: They want us to not know things exactly.

467
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 3: They want us to be a little bit hesitant. And

468
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: I don't think.

469
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not somebody with knowledge means that I'm going

470
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: to go and sink the ship. I actually knowledge is

471
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: freedom as well, right, So I would love to And

472
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: when I work with people, I try to work much

473
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: more and you know, camaraderie. Then I'm not anybody I've

474
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: ever worked for. I always wanted to be a team effort.

475
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: I think that we're so much better again, it is

476
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 2: working together, right, So that whole feeling of divisiveness, and

477
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: that's hard.

478
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: It was hard. It's really hard. I know that it

479
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: was hard on my relationships. Did you feel like it

480
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: affected some of the relationships with the other cast members?

481
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: For you, I think you just made me quiet. I

482
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: don't know.

483
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: I probably I may have reached out differently if I

484
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: didn't feel so vulnerable. You know, it was always I

485
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: was very close. I was very close to Jason. You know,

486
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: I've always been really close to Jason and I because

487
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: we share stuff outside of the show, like you know,

488
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: and we talked a bit more about stuff, and you know,

489
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: I always will feel grateful. And you know, Marcus Binoza,

490
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: who played my husband, you know, he's still very dear

491
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: friend of mine, very dear, dear, dear friend. But did

492
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: it I guess in some ways it made it so

493
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: I didn't get drawn closer, right. There was also you know,

494
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: you talk about the good and the bad, there were

495
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: some of the stuff. And I don't mean this in

496
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: a derogatory way, but people were young, so they believe

497
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: their hype, you know, like, oh, yes, you're the best.

498
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: You're not believe in my hide, so I'll admit it.

499
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I believed it outside of being with us,

500
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: Like there's certain things where maybe because also you know, yes,

501
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: I think that there's stuff that's inherent within nine o

502
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: two one now that it was very successful, so yeah,

503
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: there's probably you know, there's stuff there. But I think

504
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: that there's sometimes that people at certain times were a

505
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: little bit more taken with themselves. Some of the things

506
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: that I would hear about it, I would be like.

507
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard to just turn off all the

508
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: things you heard on a set in any given day.

509
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 3: Woe, I mean, And it.

510
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: Was every day, every day, every day, no with al fail.

511
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: You would hear something or see something that was either

512
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: inappropriate or was unacceptable to say to someone.

513
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: Right, oh my god, Oh my god, right, oh my god.

514
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: And I think about like, we loved our set, but

515
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to compare it to. I didn't

516
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: know that those that the way people were talking was wrong,

517
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: inappropriate to be around, you know, around such young kids basically.

518
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was seventeen when I started, and Tory

519
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: and Brian were sixteen.

520
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: But it didn't just wasn't toris fifteen? Actually maybe I

521
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 2: think she was fifteen, Brian was fifteen. I think they

522
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: were fifteen. Oh my god, there were two years.

523
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I don't know. We talked about before, and

524
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: she always tells me that I'm older, so I remember

525
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: that much.

526
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, I can't remember. I'm so much older. I can't

527
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: remember that I'm older.

528
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that all that experience on that a

529
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: two and oh all the things that we've just talked about.

530
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: Do you think that led you to go into advocacy work.

531
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: I've been an advocate my entire life, actually even when

532
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: I was a child. So I think what nine O

533
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: two one oh did for me is it gave me

534
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: a voice in the public that allowed me because I

535
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: believe everybody can be an advocate. I believe, I mean

536
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: service is, you don't have to be famous to be

537
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: an ordinary people do extra things and that's what makes

538
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: them extraordinary. I really, really really really believe that. So

539
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's but I do think that

540
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: there is a benefit if you're in a position of

541
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: public I right, that you can go and use that.

542
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: You're using your voice, right, You're using it doing this

543
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: by reaching out to make it. I mean, Jenny, I'm

544
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: so proud of you. I say it all the time

545
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: so I could say it on your show. I am

546
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: so proud of you. I talk about you all the

547
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: time because I think you have just bloomed into this.

548
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: I mean, you're always lovely, that you are an exceptional

549
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: human being.

550
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: The things you're doing. I'm so proud of you.

551
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: I really am, I really really really am. And because

552
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: I'm such a mush anyway, So you guys whatever, But no,

553
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: so I think that the you know, the the show

554
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: gave me a platform. But I've always literally fight state,

555
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: like when I was little, and I little, when I

556
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: was younger, and I I wasn't allowed to vote at

557
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: the time, so then I would do performances to raise money.

558
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: I was a mine.

559
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: Second, guys, this is the much thing I forgot about

560
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you being a mime.

561
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: So I was a mime. I traveled you when I

562
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: did it.

563
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: Were you a mind for political No? So confused.

564
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: I literally joined a group. I know, I'm embarrassed because

565
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: pople want always shoot the mind.

566
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: But when I was when I was was it was

567
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: a junior, junior high or in high school, just the beginning,

568
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: and I just had joined this group of young people

569
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: who happened to be mimes. And so I literally traveled

570
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: through Europe. I was in a mine book. And then

571
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: because I wasn't allowed to vote at the time, and

572
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: there were some propositions coming up at that time that

573
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: I really thought, this is just atrocious. They wanted to

574
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: make it so anybody who went and identified a teacher

575
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: who was gay, that you could have them removed from school.

576
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: It was terrible Proposition nine, I think it was called.

577
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: So I taught a group of friends how to do.

578
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: We did.

579
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: We created these performances and we raised money for awareness

580
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: because I couldn't vote. So I've always been an advocate.

581
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: I am an advocate.

582
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I believe that about you.

583
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: It's true.

584
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: But I do think that you know, the show again,

585
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: the show really just helped to give me voice.

586
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: Is there anything after the fact that negatively impacted you

587
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: to the point that you how to go do some

588
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: real work on it.

589
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing that right now.

590
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Like therapy, Like I spend a lot of time in therapy.

591
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh and I just unpacking it all.

592
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to be going back because after

593
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: this interview it's right, no, there, you know what, it

594
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: was a great time. It's not just that, you know, now,

595
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm at a certain time in my life because I

596
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: have young daughter, you know, daughters who are young women,

597
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: and I do think that we are our lives are trauma.

598
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Whatever.

599
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: It's even if I think I'm really healthy, right, there

600
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: are things I'm sure that I give to my children.

601
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not like a yell or whatever,

602
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: but whatever that is I want to be the best.

603
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I have life, then I

604
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: should continue growing. And I feel like there's I get anxious,

605
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: you know. I want to deal with that anxiety because

606
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: I want to sleep better and I want to you know,

607
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: it's just it's not acceptable. I don't want to carry

608
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: the things I don't want anymore, and I don't know

609
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: how to unpack all of it, right, So I need

610
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: somebody who's going to help so I can develop my

611
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: tools so I could do the next thing in my life.

612
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: It's a big deal for me.

613
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's constant. The word is the evolution, the working

614
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: for the evolutions.

615
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: Right, but how lucky are we that we can?

616
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: Right?

617
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I say, if you're if you're not growing,

618
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: you're slowing.

619
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: That's not growing. You're going.

620
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 2: You're going, you're slowing, and then's right, you're going and

621
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: you're gone.

622
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: So good. You were pregnant on the sad of night

623
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: or two and now we just talked about that a

624
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: little bit. What was the reaction from the suits I

625
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: like to call them the suits when you told.

626
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Them, well, you know the story, so I know the

627
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: story a little bit. But so I Charlie and I

628
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: my husband, you know who I adore.

629
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm waited almost thirty five years.

630
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: You've been married almost thirty five years. Okay, okay, my

631
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: best coming back to that, because that's ad to.

632
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Talk about my husband. He's my best.

633
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: So, but we talked about wanting to have children. I

634
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: said that, look, I can't just the show is about

635
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: young people. And I got to talk to Aaron and

636
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: I asked to have lunch and I'm so look, as

637
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: much as I talk, I'm very.

638
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: Shy, very shy. I was petrified, very scared to have this.

639
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't was the biggest producer in the world,

640
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: my god, and he were.

641
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: Like, you know, so he was your boss, he was

642
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: my boss, and look at everything he ever did and

643
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: so and always being afraid to lose the job. I mean,

644
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: there was a lot of things like sure in that

645
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: moment to make that decision. So I asked to have

646
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: lunch with Aaron and I went to his office and

647
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: I said that, you know, Charlie and I would like

648
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: to have children. And I wanted to ask you if

649
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: it would be okay for, you know, if I got pregnant,

650
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: And he looked at me like, I can't believe you're

651
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: asking me. I thought you were going to tell me

652
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: you were pregnant. And I said no, and he said

653
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: he was like so relieved he couldn't believe. He said absolutely, said,

654
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: but I don't want to hide it. I don't want

655
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: to be behind books and I don't want to be

656
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: behind the chair. I really want to be able to

657
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: you know, high school, you know, pregnant. And he said, Okay,

658
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: that was big.

659
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: Andrea was still in high school when you got pregnant

660
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: with Jesse's that's right baby. And that was actually Charlie's baby.

661
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: That was really pregnant.

662
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: So no, that was a really big thing. And I'll

663
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: tell you this, it was really interesting. In the press.

664
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: New York Times did a whole thing.

665
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: People were like, it's disgusting that Andrea Zuckerman, who's the

666
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: smart kid in the school, that they would show this

667
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: in high school.

668
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: And then I.

669
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Wrote back in a column saying, how terrible are you

670
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: that somehow you think that because somebody's intelligent, that they

671
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: don't go and things happen in their lives and they

672
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: get to make choices in their lives. We can make mistakes,

673
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: and we can make those mistakes. Okay, we can actually

674
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: decide that we're going to move forward. We can make

675
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: it something that's not negative. How could you be so

676
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: demeaning to say, because she's intelligent, she would never let

677
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: that happen. It was a very like It was a

678
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: that was an empowering moment too, because I took a

679
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: stand in a way. It was also a very hard

680
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 2: time because the writers had no idea what to do

681
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: after that moment that became this culminating, really important woman

682
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: for Andrea. And then afterwards they had no idea how

683
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: to write her, and they were like, you know, putting

684
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: me aside and not doing things because they just didn't

685
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: know how to make it cool and fun anymore.

686
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't cool and fun.

687
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: You weren't cool and fun and sexy and all the things.

688
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: That I wasn't happy right I was, and they just

689
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: couldn't do it.

690
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I can still relate because I was pregnant. I think

691
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: you had left by the time I got pregnant on

692
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the and I didn't ask for permission. I said oh

693
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: oh and told them. And luckily because of you pioneering

694
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: the way and because you were older women and I

695
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: at that time I was twenty No, but I mean

696
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: on the show, you weren't high school anymore. No, I

697
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: was in college. No, yeah, last year of college, because

698
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: that had been season seven, which we just finished on

699
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: OMG listening to watching it back. But yeah, I I

700
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: didn't have as much fear that I would get fired

701
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: because there had also been another lawsuit about somebody that

702
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: had been fired.

703
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

704
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't remember who it was, but she was

705
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: on another one of Aaron's shows, and she fought it

706
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: and then she won. So I was like, oh, I'm

707
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: golden like they.

708
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, also, even seven years on the show.

709
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never but I'm sure that even further made

710
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: you feel isolated and different. Oh that was very hard

711
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: because I felt that way, and I did you feel

712
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: that way they had the baby. I absolutely felt like

713
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: they can't relate to me at all. Now, like my

714
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: fellow castmates are all doing their thing. I'm in the

715
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: dressing room.

716
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: You know, rest and so it was really Yeah that

717
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: if that was hard for you than for me. You

718
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: guys were all really so young, and how do I

719
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't even talk about what it was like. You know,

720
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: I had to feed the baby or I had to

721
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: It's hard for me. I wanted to be at work,

722
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to be away from my baby,

723
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: like was I being a good mom and you know,

724
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: I would bring her to set, but then I couldn't

725
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: see her, shed be in my room with a nanny.

726
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: It was like it was weird. It was just a

727
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: very isolating time. It was very hard.

728
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: I can't I wish I had.

729
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: Been able to be there for you because too, you know,

730
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: but even when I was there doing it, and I

731
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: don't know, but I couldn't even ask for help.

732
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: I didn't even know how to say.

733
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: I wish I had had the courage to say, God, Jenny,

734
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like so lost right, like I'm so I

735
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: didn't have that in me.

736
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I didn't.

737
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: That was that was the isolation of not being able

738
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: to say somebody, I just I don't know what's going on, right.

739
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm so sad. I'm so sorry that you didn't feel that,

740
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of safety with at least me.

741
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: You know, it was you guys were young. We were

742
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: just in a different place then totally. Oh man, what

743
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: if we.

744
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: Could go back.

745
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to go back then I have to

746
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: sell you. I am very happy where I'm at so

747
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

748
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: Okay, So you know there's always set romances on sets.

749
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: It's a thing. Did you ever have any set crushes?

750
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: No?

751
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: No, no one, not one? See because were you married

752
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: the whole time I was married? When did you and

753
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Charlie get married?

754
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: Charlie and I were living together when the show started.

755
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Already admitted, you know what, I have a really strong

756
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: thing who did you have a thing with who?

757
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I was young. I've met my second husband,

758
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: the father of my kids, on a set, right. Yeah.

759
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: No, I had a very strong rule for yet nine

760
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: O two one oh, because I had worked before that

761
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 2: and i've worked since. I would net First of all,

762
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: I have no interest in dating an actor.

763
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I've learned that.

764
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really big for me. I tell anyone no,

765
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: and I love actors. I mean, I'm an actor, but

766
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: that's and I would I know that. Also, I learned

767
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: really early that you know, first of all, when you

768
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: work with somebody right, you're the most vulnerable you can be. Right,

769
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: So there's always going to be intense attraction in terms

770
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: of you know what, I mean, your love for each

771
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: other is right partner in shows like in shows or

772
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: when even on My love for the guys was very intense.

773
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: I mean might for everybody because we're so vulnerable. When

774
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: you're working, you just are even if it's funny and light,

775
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: you figuring it out together, being there and being you know,

776
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: making able to act.

777
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, right and the whole like one hundred people are

778
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: just saying exactly exactly.

779
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: So I always knew this was that being on a

780
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: set for me would be a false it.

781
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: Was a false reality. Yeah, it would be.

782
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: It's a real love that I have, but I think

783
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: it's confusing love, like if I love them after in

784
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: terms of I felt something that would I always said

785
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: that would be a different thing, but it never really

786
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: happened after that, right when I leave, that moment left, Yeah,

787
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: so I knew then it wasn't but I'd done it

788
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: for a while, right.

789
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: So it it was happening all around us.

790
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: You know.

791
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: I was so surprised some of the stories. That's why

792
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm dying I know who you because I literally was

793
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: like some of the things I've heard unbelievable. No, I

794
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: actually said, no way, like are you Oh my god?

795
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: I can tell you stories even outside of the show.

796
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: The things I heard, it was like, no way, Wow.

797
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Tory dropped it on the other day. Well she didn't.

798
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't even the first time she had dropped it,

799
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: but she dropped it on og and I was like,

800
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't that she had had a relationship outside of

801
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: work with Jason. No way, I'm just telling you this now.

802
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I so terrible she would tell you

803
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: because an open book.

804
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: No, no, no, what does that do to you?

805
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: Well, how are you feel like?

806
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: I just can't It's I am black, for sure, you

807
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: would know more than I. Oh, I never I never

808
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 4: asked people what they're I didn't either.

809
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: No. Wow.

810
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like every time we all get together

811
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: there's this underlying energy of connection. Yeah that you know,

812
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: watching feeling and missing some of our castmates that aren't

813
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: with us now, Shannon Luke, it really puts it in perspective.

814
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy because watching you know how the news treated

815
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: the deaths of let's say, Luke, how the news and

816
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: the media will We'll talk about our death after work on.

817
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: I will always be a part of your story at

818
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: the very end of your life, and you will always

819
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: be a part of my story at the very end

820
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: of my life.

821
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: Regardless of what the news says, right, right.

822
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: And it's just the weirdest like feeling to have that

823
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: sort of strong connection and sometimes you know, maybe I

824
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: don't even have that connection with some of your distant

825
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: family members, but when one of us passes away, the

826
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: other people in our cast are all brought into that story.

827
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think though, that's that speaks to the family

828
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: part of it, right, because the show is the vehicle

829
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: that brought us together, but we nonetheless now regardless of

830
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: the show, we're part of each other's lives.

831
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: Right.

832
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: The show is not the defining moment. It was the

833
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: introduction and so and there was so many years that

834
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: we worked together. So yes, I think that there were

835
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: you know, important years. You know you talk about you know,

836
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: self discovery and also you know the protectionism of it all.

837
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, the world was a lot going on out there,

838
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: and we the only people who really knew was between us,

839
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: like there.

840
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: Was a whole thing.

841
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's I think that we were

842
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: beyond the show. Our relationships are now beyond that. They

843
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: bond can share something.

844
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: It's just.

845
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I've done there shows and I don't have that bond.

846
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: But I guess it was the timing, the day of

847
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: the you know, the nineties of it all, the way

848
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: things were so different, Like was the way.

849
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 3: We were seeing.

850
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the rest of the world, what what the

851
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: show meant?

852
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: Right?

853
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: You know you guys talk about that. I listened to

854
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: your you know, your podcast, and you know you talk

855
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: about what we meant at that time. That was pretty

856
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: we were that And when you talk about that's so

857
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: that's profound. And then how we ended up speaking with

858
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: each other and dealer with each other because of the

859
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: way people saw us and how did we we learned

860
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: to kind of function Also as much as there was dysfunction,

861
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: we learned to function together, like in the dysfunction, right, well,

862
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: we learned. I mean there was Look, we walked through

863
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: a room together. We're all separate, but we could. I

864
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: feel like I feel that the threat. I know that

865
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I could touch you, I could touch iron when I'm

866
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: walking through whatever, Brian, I could be yeah with everybody.

867
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: I know that that's my anchor. I know this is

868
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: that's the secret thread that in bilical court that we

869
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: all share. That's really real, right, But that's again a

870
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: product of.

871
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: The vehicle.

872
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: But I think now that's the family, you know what

873
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: I mean. I think it's just so.

874
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Special that we've all chosen to keep you know, that

875
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: base together of that family, feeling that thread.

876
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: I think how lucky.

877
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: How always when we go and do shows together, I

878
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: always get like a little bit like wow.

879
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: This is like really it's so special.

880
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: It is I because nobody with all the people who

881
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: are doing the shows whatever, there's us each other to

882
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: each other, Like I love it.

883
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: It's the best. It really does make you feel supported

884
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: somehow in a world that is crazy and hard to

885
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: really wrap your head around. Yeah, there's something so special

886
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: about that. You left the show in season five? Why

887
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: why did you leave?

888
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: I had a talk show, you know, you know what.

889
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: They didn't know how to write for me anymore. Yeah,

890
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: I really was at a time it was now.

891
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: It was like.

892
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Your character had a baby.

893
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: It's what I knew, right, Like I so, you know,

894
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: choose me. I'm going to tell you I think that

895
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: I just love that whole choose me thing. But because

896
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about that, you know, the whole time

897
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: before I come on. But it was I it was

898
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: kind of my like the money to stay. I mean,

899
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: it was the success of the show. There was a

900
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: lot I could do, but not really do creatively. And

901
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: then I was at that time, i'd been talking to

902
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: Rupert Murdoch. People have been talking about doing a talk show.

903
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: I was really like interested in doing something like that.

904
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: I had for one year when we did two hundred shows.

905
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: But I I think it was just time for me,

906
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, at that time, and so I it.

907
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: You feel like it, and I'd choose me a moment,

908
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: and at this it was.

909
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: But it was really painful. So when we went the

910
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: last day, I remember I couldn't do the last scene.

911
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: I just cried because it was saying goodbye to everybody.

912
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: When we had the wrap party, you know, I didn't

913
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: show up. I didn't come and I because I couldn't.

914
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: I was dressed. We were going to go and I said,

915
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: I just can't go. I just couldn't because I knew

916
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: because I cried, so I cry. Now it's just so

917
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: hard for me that I just I couldn't. I couldn't

918
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: manage it. We went to I said, let's just go

919
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: to dinner, and I just can't go. I don't feel good.

920
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: I just don't want to go. I was like, I

921
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: just wasn't, you know, And then you know, Paul was like,

922
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: why didn't you come?

923
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: They had a whole thing for me to do. Something

924
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't go.

925
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: I couldn't see everybody and just weep because that's what

926
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: I would do because I loved everybody and I loved

927
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: that time in my life that it was time and

928
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: it was great.

929
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: And when do you.

930
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Regret it at all?

931
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: Were there times I think I regreted leaving the group?

932
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: You know, it was hard. It was a hard decision,

933
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: I imagine it was. It would have been much easier

934
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: just to let them not do anything with me.

935
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: To stick around.

936
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wasn't happy doing that. I felt badly,

937
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I didn't want that, and.

938
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: So I did.

939
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: I always will feel like I wish I had because

940
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: it's hard to go and let go of the thing,

941
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: you know, for me, right, And I'm a ruder, you know,

942
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: like I'm the kind of person.

943
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: I love my home and I love what I know.

944
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I take a lot of chances, but I

945
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: always come back to what I have that base, and

946
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: my base was.

947
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: Gone, you know.

948
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: And it's been all the years now, I've done so

949
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: many different things, and now there's times I'm like, I'm

950
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: so glad I did it then, not because I wanted

951
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: to go through the struggle of that, you know, but

952
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: my life has been really it gave me so many opportunities.

953
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I've as a result of my leaving that

954
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 2: I want to have known.

955
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I do want to just remind everybody

956
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: that you've been married to your husband since the pilot.

957
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: That's right, just after the pilot, after the pilot. That

958
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: is very successful marriage in Hollywood or in anywhere. What

959
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: is the secret to this beautiful relationship you and Charlie share.

960
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: Luck No, I Charlie I talk about all the time.

961
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: I think it's communication. Yeah, love and ras cauche, but communication,

962
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: it is everything. You have to Charlie knows everything about me.

963
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: You have to be willing to say the things that

964
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: you know the other person might not want to know

965
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: or here like, you have to be brave enough to

966
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: I think you have to be brave. I don't think

967
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: I ever assumed that Charlie wouldn't want to hear it,

968
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: but I think that to be able to say, I

969
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: had to tell you this is you know, these are stories,

970
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: these are parts of my life, and for him, this

971
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: is Charlie like, wow, that's amazing.

972
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: I love you.

973
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: That's so great, Like he's so so great.

974
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: You found this good one.

975
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: I found a great one.

976
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: He found a great one.

977
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: We're lucky, lucky.

978
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: You went on to become an excellent leader of SAG

979
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: Aftra as the president of SAG.

980
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: After first it was sagging.

981
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: After I helped to merge that, you helped them merge,

982
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: that all came out of the I was very like,

983
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: thank you. I really that was an incredible time.

984
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: The huge accomplishment. That's incredible of all the actors, of.

985
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: All the actors and all the towns and all the.

986
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Was ahead of our thought of that. No, I was like, wait,

987
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: what can he's the president? No way, of course I'm

988
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: voting for her.

989
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: That was, well, you know this because I got in

990
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, the whole thing when I.

991
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Was so you got injured on a set, and that.

992
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: I got injured on a set when I was shooting

993
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: in Vancouver, I was partially paralyzed.

994
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: You were doing your own stunts, right, It was like, well,

995
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: what was the scene?

996
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: It was? What happened was.

997
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: It was a fight scene, but it was somebody who

998
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: was coming into the house, you know, was supposed to

999
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: be breaking in and he was just really rebped up.

1000
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: He had there were other things about him that had

1001
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: not been shared with me, and he was this an actor,

1002
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: an actor. The stay stunts already had worked out are

1003
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 2: the choreography that he got really into it and match

1004
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: too much, and it partially paralyzed me. And I had

1005
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: a movement disorder and I was I stopped speaking for

1006
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: a while. I don't think you did you see me

1007
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: at that time?

1008
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: I was so deformed.

1009
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: I was so and that was hard to be like

1010
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: that when the whole world knew me from nine o

1011
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: two one zero, and suddenly I was like, really deformed

1012
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: and I couldn't.

1013
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: I know, I've seen you when you're tired.

1014
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I go.

1015
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: But my face was really deformed, and I was. I

1016
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: remember when I came home from Vancouver because I said

1017
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: I have to go home. I have to go see it.

1018
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: You know, they wanted to put me in hospital. I said,

1019
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: you have to get me home.

1020
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I have to be home.

1021
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: And I I remember when I said, we have to

1022
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: go to we're going to go to dinner now, and Mom,

1023
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: are you sure you're going to go out?

1024
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: You want to? You know? I was really bad shape.

1025
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: And I said, this is who I am right now,

1026
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: and I have to step out now because I'll never

1027
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: step out if I don't let the world just know

1028
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: that I am. I have to be okay with that.

1029
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: That was a really big thing. But it was during

1030
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: that time that I literally because I had been working

1031
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: every day of my adult life and suddenly I couldn't

1032
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: work anymore.

1033
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 3: And in the interim.

1034
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: Of that, somebody had asked me to sit in a

1035
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: meeting at the union of AFTRA, which because we weren't

1036
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: merged yet, and then I started getting involved, and then

1037
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to merge our union because I didn't understand

1038
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: how we can have two unions representing us for the

1039
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: similar work, and yet we had to pay separate dues

1040
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: we had separate and I was like, this is crazy,

1041
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: like and so I helped to I was a part

1042
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: of the team that merged. We had tried six times before,

1043
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: and we were able to go through. We did intensive

1044
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: work and merge the unions, and then I was the

1045
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: executive vice president. And then Ken Howard was Ken He

1046
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: loved you, loved you, loved you. He was your neighbor,

1047
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: and he was president and then he died.

1048
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, while he was intern that's right.

1049
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: And then I became, you know, the interim president, and

1050
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: then became voted in and I did for six years.

1051
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: I was just going to say a couple of the

1052
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: accomplishments that you made happen that year, negotiating strong new contracts,

1053
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: establishing sexual harassment prevention and support programs in response to

1054
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: the me too movement, and securing legal protections for members

1055
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: such as the IMD law in California, and securing favorable

1056
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: agreements with major studios and streaming services. I mean, those

1057
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: are just a few of the accomplishments, but those are all.

1058
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: I didn't do that absolutely, this is.

1059
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: You had help you had.

1060
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you what an incredible staff, but

1061
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: also our members.

1062
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: I member.

1063
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: The only reason I ever have done anything of I

1064
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: think anything that I've really done is because of the

1065
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: people I'm with. And I have to tell you the

1066
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: members are absolutely inspiring.

1067
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Very passionate, very This is our livelihood. It is I

1068
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: think it's so cool that we have a union. And

1069
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: now cut two, you are the first American president of

1070
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: the Federation of International Actors. How do you feel, you know,

1071
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: what do you ever stop and be like, hey, look

1072
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: at me, I'm doing good.

1073
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: You know what, I don't.

1074
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: I think it's really I actually it's a real honor.

1075
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: I just came back from being.

1076
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: With you know, you go overseas and you have all

1077
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: these meetings and these decisions are made that affect all

1078
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: the actors in the world.

1079
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: You know what is But it's a federation. So it's

1080
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: kind of like the AFLC. It's American Federation of Labor.

1081
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: It's the umbrella to the unions around the world. And

1082
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: I have to say that that is humbling. That is

1083
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: not I don't all I am. I really and I

1084
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: say this with real being in leadership is being of service.

1085
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: It is not in any way. It's not I'm not

1086
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 2: doing the things. I'm there to go and inspire, hopefully

1087
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: help support. That's really my only thing is to people

1088
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: are doing that work, right, That is I am not

1089
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: the person. I'm there to support that work. But it's really,

1090
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: I have to say, it is a real incredible honor.

1091
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: It's really and it's humbling, and it's it's I think

1092
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: that people look at it. It's not the president like

1093
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: that right, It's not that right. It's something so much

1094
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: it's just it's so different than all that. I that's

1095
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: why I can't talk about it like that, because it

1096
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: freaks me out when you talk about it like that.

1097
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: But when people think that, right, it's it's something different.

1098
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Speaker 3: It's something I'm very honored.

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Speaker 2: The idea that they chose, you know, to be the

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Speaker 2: first you know, North American president is that was tremendous

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you had to have had just a

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00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: moment to really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I think I was just re elected for the next

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00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: four years. And I literally I was in the room

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: the other day we were in I was uh in

1107
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: the UK, and I like, I was like, my breath

1108
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: is taken away. It's an incredible honor, it really is.

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00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: And it's daunting. I mean, you know, I know, I

1110
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: don't think you want to be heavy or whatever, but

1111
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: the world is we're going through a lot right now.

1112
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: This is on a global level, not just in our country,

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like just carrying the stories and

1114
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: being able to hear what people are saying and helping

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00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: to carry that. It's intense time right now, you know,

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: and I hope it's helpful.

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Speaker 1: How do you choose the right person to speak out

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: to that's probably hard for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I think it is hard, but I think that there's

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00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: always look at we have people around us. If we

1122
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: stop for a moment, right and don't just you know,

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00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: we feel this experience, right, that's so unbelievable that it

1124
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: can shut us down.

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Speaker 1: It's like attacking it.

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00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: It is right, it's like and you start to close up.

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00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: And so I just would say to anybody who feels that,

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00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's really hard.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard. I don't want to pretend it's

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Speaker 3: not hard.

1131
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: And I know that it can be really painful and

1132
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that, but I know that you can.

1133
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: You can reach out people. You are not alone.

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Speaker 2: If somebody is doing something to you, they've most likely

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Speaker 2: done it to somebody else. And I mean, I would

1136
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: just urge you that nothing will change unless you say something.

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: You can say something. I think that's really it that

1138
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: you can. You have a right to say it.

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00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: And if it's a.

1140
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Speaker 2: Family member that you need help, you know to help,

1141
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: you say it out loud. If it's a friend that

1142
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: you need to have help, you take the help. Let

1143
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: nothing changes unless we do that.

1144
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: And I know it's hard. So I'm not throwing it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to think I just just do

1146
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: it right, but I do want to say to it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So before I let you go, okay, Gabrielle Cartera's

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Speaker 1: Kenny Garth, what was your last I choose me moment?

1149
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Speaker 1: To be here today?

1150
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 3: I choose me. I wanted to be with you. It's true.

1151
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: I was very excited, so I didn't think of it

1152
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: that way that at last I choose me moment. I've

1153
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: thought though what I did want to say when I

1154
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: thought about it, because you brought this was something brought

1155
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: up for every great thing in my life. It was

1156
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Speaker 2: because I didn't I choose me moment that the happiest,

1157
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: most fulfilling moments of my life are because I said

1158
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Speaker 2: I choose me even when it was hard. And I

1159
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: can say that from doing nine O two one zero,

1160
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: because I was offered something else, I chose me to

1161
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Speaker 2: do this show.

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Speaker 3: I Charlie.

1163
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Speaker 2: In my life, there were other things going on. Chose me,

1164
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: and I have Charlie, and I chose my children in

1165
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: terms of being able to support and love them. My friends,

1166
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 2: I choose them over certain things. I've chosen for any

1167
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Speaker 2: choice I've ever made. I think that my life has

1168
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: been made better on the hardest times sometimes, and that

1169
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Speaker 2: might not be what you wanted, but that's all.

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Speaker 1: I have, that's all I need. This is what you're

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Speaker 1: telling me. Everybody, make sure to catch our bonus episode

1172
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Speaker 1: this week because Gab is going to teach us all

1173
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Speaker 1: the great thing or two about standing up for ourselves

1174
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Speaker 1: and choosing ourselves. Thank you Gab for being here. We

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Speaker 1: love you so happy for you.