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Speaker 1: Savannah Humoller, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to holidays. We are not there on Monday. We're
Speaker 3: here on Tuesday at the Star. Savannah and myself are here.
Speaker 3: Bill Jones is off to spring training with the Texas Rangers.
Speaker 3: Everson Walls is out of town and he never tells
Speaker 3: us where he's going, so we always assume he's going
Speaker 3: to somewhere secret spot in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's.
Speaker 3: Following up an Oppenheimer or what, but he's not here.
Speaker 3: But we have a special guest with us today, Robert Blackwell,
Speaker 3: former director of video for the Dallas Cowboys, and good
Speaker 3: to have.
Speaker 2: You with us.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: And we understand that Robert, after he retired finally following
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty season, has now gotten into doing a
Speaker 3: podcast of his own Real Football two ease, Real.
Speaker 4: Real Football Stories with Reel r Eel like a real film.
Speaker 4: Very good.
Speaker 2: That's awesome And where can we find that?
Speaker 4: It's everywhere Spotify, Apple, Amazon.
Speaker 3: Okay, And we're glad to have him with us on
Speaker 3: this day.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, I don't know if we would have.
Speaker 3: Done this well, I think, Savannah, what do you think
Speaker 3: we could have done it?
Speaker 5: I feel like we could have done it.
Speaker 6: We were talking about, you know, trying to find a
Speaker 6: special guest we want to have the show, and producer
Speaker 6: Supreme texted us last week and said, we have Robert Blackwell,
Speaker 6: so we're excited to have you.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So anyway, just to catch everybody up on a little
Speaker 3: bit of Cowboy news over the weekend or actually it
Speaker 3: was Friday, I think when everybody else had off.
Speaker 2: We had a long weekend.
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer, who's back as the Cowboys defensive coordinator. They
Speaker 3: rounded out the defensive staff, hiring one final familiar name,
Speaker 3: Greg Allis as assistant defensive line coach in charge.
Speaker 2: Of defensive ends.
Speaker 3: Paul gunn Is going to be the defensive run game
Speaker 3: coordinator or former defensive coordinator for Cincinnati and the Raiders,
Speaker 3: and he's been coaching for twenty years and had been
Speaker 3: with Mike in Cincinnati and Minnesota and then former NFL
Speaker 3: player seventeen years.
Speaker 2: Jeff Zagonia has.
Speaker 3: Come in and he will be the defensive line coach
Speaker 3: and he had done that as an assistant or a
Speaker 3: head defensive line coach last with the Washington Commanders. So
Speaker 3: the Cowboys needed to complete their staff. And as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, I ran into Greg Ellis on Friday.
Speaker 3: He was very happy to be here. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: you remember did you turn his card in in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did. I was representative for the draft from
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight until the COVID year, so thirty two years,
Speaker 4: thirty two years. I went to the draft, build out
Speaker 4: the tournament, and you were.
Speaker 3: And what people don't understand a lot about the draft
Speaker 3: is the Cowboys Draft. The whole organization is here. Uh
Speaker 3: And in the days I guess before I don't know
Speaker 3: when it would have started, but Robert would be the
Speaker 3: Cowboy representative at the draft. They would call him on
Speaker 3: the hotline phone and he would take the card up
Speaker 3: to the commissioner.
Speaker 4: Well, you really don't. It's a misnomer. You don't take
Speaker 4: the card anywhere. You fill out the card and they
Speaker 4: have representatives there and they'll take it and then they
Speaker 4: run to the next table and tell whoever's next who
Speaker 4: you took before it's announced, right, because as soon as
Speaker 4: your card goes in, the clock starts for them, right,
Speaker 4: you know, and they may wait three or four minutes
Speaker 4: before they announced.
Speaker 2: So you didn't have to run up. Now, you don't
Speaker 2: ride bathlessly, you.
Speaker 4: Don't run anywhere. One time we did give them the
Speaker 4: card and snatch it back. You know, you're not supposed
Speaker 4: to do that, but we did snatch it back because
Speaker 4: they wanted to change.
Speaker 2: And then one year or wasn't it late or close
Speaker 2: to being late?
Speaker 4: One year was a time ran out?
Speaker 5: When was that?
Speaker 4: I think it was when we wound up taking Roy
Speaker 4: Williams because they were training. We were trying to do
Speaker 4: something and time ran out. And as soon as they
Speaker 4: say Dallas passes, every cameraman in the area is standing
Speaker 4: right in front of your table with a lens in
Speaker 4: your face and you're just staring at them, you know,
Speaker 4: And we didn't, I mean, nobody jumped ahead of us.
Speaker 2: We've got to pick in, yeah, yeah, but that was
Speaker 2: a close call, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but my first three drafts on Mike Urban,
Speaker 4: troygg Minims fist.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you did well right there.
Speaker 5: Okay, Robert.
Speaker 6: So I was listening to your podcast yesterday, just kind
Speaker 6: of getting prepared to talk to you today.
Speaker 5: So you did.
Speaker 6: Forty seasons, eight hundred and thirty five games that you shot.
Speaker 6: How did you keep track.
Speaker 2: Of all that?
Speaker 5: That's a long time?
Speaker 4: Just add it up.
Speaker 2: You added it up.
Speaker 4: Did you have to go back and get the media,
Speaker 4: gad and you add it up? So eighty one was
Speaker 4: eighty one was my first season, and I didn't miss
Speaker 4: a game until I had tested positive for COVID. Wasn't
Speaker 4: really sick and was really over it in that twenty
Speaker 4: twenty season, But there was like three or four of
Speaker 4: us that week tested positive and they didn't want us
Speaker 4: to go the following week, and I knew I was
Speaker 4: going to retire at the end of the season, so
Speaker 4: I said whatever. So it was like maybe eight hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty consecutive gamest Cowboys game.
Speaker 3: My consecutive streak ended when I had a foot infection
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and I had spent a week in
Speaker 3: the hospital and they let me off on out on Friday,
Speaker 3: and the opener was on Sunday and it was an
Speaker 3: away game, and I was thinking, nah, I probably shouldn't
Speaker 3: go to this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have your all your games counted up?
Speaker 3: I had done everyone from eighty nine on until that
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen season opener. Yeah, regular season and playoffs and
Speaker 3: so Robert and I and there's not many left here.
Speaker 2: Would have been with every.
Speaker 3: Head coach, right, I didn't wasn't here when Clint Murkison
Speaker 3: was here. Murkison was still the owner, so every owner
Speaker 3: and every g outright.
Speaker 4: When I first started, he was starting to become ill.
Speaker 4: He was on a cane. Then he went to a
Speaker 4: walker and a wheelchair pretty fast. Yes, he was the owner.
Speaker 4: When I started, I was hired Textu Ram hired me
Speaker 4: to be the assistant in the coaching film department with
Speaker 4: sixteen millimeter film, right, and my boss was Bob Friedman
Speaker 4: at the time, and we shot sixty milimeter film. We
Speaker 4: had a processor in the basement at sixty one sixteen
Speaker 4: North Central down there, and people asked, where's your office.
Speaker 4: I said, we'd go in the parking garage underneath, walk
Speaker 4: in the doors and go passed where they keep the trash.
Speaker 4: Turn to the left and we're down there. It was
Speaker 4: a little, nice little office. We had a great machine.
Speaker 4: But right did that for five years, and then we
Speaker 4: switched over videotape and kind of slowly then morphed into
Speaker 4: a combination of tape and digital. And now it's all digital.
Speaker 2: So when the.
Speaker 3: Practice facility was at Forest and Abrams, you weren't there.
Speaker 2: Your office was at the well everybody.
Speaker 4: Everybody was at the coaches and everybody was at Central, Central,
Speaker 4: Central and Yale.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think SMU owns the building now, right, And we
Speaker 4: would drive seven and a half miles to practice, come back,
Speaker 4: process the film. And if the coaches weren't upstairs, if
Speaker 4: they were upstairs back in their officers, I'd take them
Speaker 4: up there. If they weren't, I would drive. I lived
Speaker 4: kind of over by the practice field. I would drive
Speaker 4: and had the code to the door and I would
Speaker 4: just set the film inside the door. So when they
Speaker 4: came in the next morning.
Speaker 6: What was what was the process of the film then
Speaker 6: versus how simple it is now?
Speaker 4: Well, everything everything back then was mechanical. The film mechanically
Speaker 4: went through the camera. It mechanically went through the processor,
Speaker 4: you rolled it up on a reel and what you had.
Speaker 4: It was very expensive to make a copy of film,
Speaker 4: so whatever you shot, you had one copy, and the
Speaker 4: coaches had to share. You know, I'll take this, you
Speaker 4: take that when you're done, give it to me. So
Speaker 4: they shared back then. They don't share it anymore.
Speaker 3: So, if I remember correctly, you guys after games had
Speaker 3: to process it and then were you responsible for shipping
Speaker 3: it to.
Speaker 4: The back Then back then you traded your game with
Speaker 4: your next two opponents. So we had to process the
Speaker 4: film and then break it down and then make two
Speaker 4: or three copies of that film. So it took after
Speaker 4: a game, after we got back to the office, it
Speaker 4: took five hours to get all that done. So it
Speaker 4: took a while. Even even road.
Speaker 5: Games when you just mail it to a team, well, no, you.
Speaker 4: Don't mail back then, you had to you put it
Speaker 4: in a fiber film box and I would take it
Speaker 4: to the airport and I would either go to Delta
Speaker 4: Dash or American Airlines Priority Parcel or whatever, and we
Speaker 4: would put it on a flight to that city and
Speaker 4: they had theirs coming on a flight.
Speaker 2: To us, and you had to go to the airport
Speaker 2: to pick it up.
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of times I would go to the airport,
Speaker 4: drop it off and say, well, they're they're playing's going
Speaker 4: to land in two hours, and I'd just stay there.
Speaker 4: Why would I drive all the way back from DFW
Speaker 4: back down to Central and all the way back right,
Speaker 4: you know? And it was a funny story. Boy, my
Speaker 4: boss and and Nate Fine, who was the original film
Speaker 4: guy forever at the Redskins. They did not like each other.
Speaker 4: And we would ship the film to Dulles and tell
Speaker 4: him it's going to National and he he would he
Speaker 4: would call and say where's the film? We go? Oh,
Speaker 4: it went to National, sorry, and then he would tell
Speaker 4: us it's on a flight, and it's not on that flight,
Speaker 4: it's on the one after that, you know. So they
Speaker 4: were always playing games with each other.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know if you know,
Speaker 3: but Dulles and National were not close note or not.
Speaker 2: No, it was at least an hour right drive.
Speaker 4: And their offices are close to Dulles.
Speaker 3: Right right, that's right, because I remember going there to
Speaker 3: do some stuff at their practice facility and it was
Speaker 3: real close to Dulles. So Dulles, if I remember, was
Speaker 3: north of the capital you got me. National was almost
Speaker 3: in watched it was in Washington.
Speaker 4: It's almost by the wall. It's just the river. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean when you fly in to National, you
Speaker 2: came over the Potomac.
Speaker 4: Uh, you have to make that turn if you're coming
Speaker 4: the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're down like really low.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden and we knew it
Speaker 4: and people were going to hold on right and you
Speaker 4: just make a right turn like crazy and you're on
Speaker 4: the runway.
Speaker 3: So uh, talking about developing film, So explain to everybody
Speaker 3: your process once you got to Valley Ranch, because it
Speaker 3: ended up Savannah. Part of that process was our original
Speaker 3: office for the website.
Speaker 4: So what happened though when we moved, we actually took
Speaker 4: the processor to Valley Ranch, built a really nice state
Speaker 4: of the art lab, used it one year.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 4: That was one year. One year we went to Video Tech.
Speaker 4: If we had known all that was going to happen,
Speaker 4: we could have left it down on Central and gone
Speaker 4: down there pros and just brought it back out.
Speaker 3: So our office it was there was two levels. It
Speaker 3: was an upstairs and a downstairs. Right was the downstairs.
Speaker 4: You're talking about that little space we gave you back
Speaker 4: in the back. What that was you when you have
Speaker 4: the process, so you have to have the chemicals have
Speaker 4: to be replenished while it's running, and you trickle that
Speaker 4: through a little meter, little gauges and you you just
Speaker 4: how fast the replenishers going in. But we had these
Speaker 4: fifty gallon drums in the upstairs area that and so
Speaker 4: gravity just fed it down. And then underneath where you
Speaker 4: walk down, underneath there was where we kept they were
Speaker 4: called cubes of the developer that you had to mix
Speaker 4: up to put in there. So that was just the storage.
Speaker 4: But once we vacated that area, you guys took that over.
Speaker 4: It was a nice hill area underneath, right, and then
Speaker 4: you went upstairs it was it was a cool little area.
Speaker 3: So the upstairs had these tubes right, were trickling the
Speaker 3: chemicals down below. So our office was upstairs. We had
Speaker 3: three desks up there, and then downstairs was it considered
Speaker 3: the black the dark room or no, that was just
Speaker 3: where we stored Oh, that was the storage. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that turned into Brad Sham's office and then our first
Speaker 3: office to do podcasts from.
Speaker 2: Oh really back in the day.
Speaker 3: And it was no windows, it was just no it
Speaker 3: was all tiled just too dark, right, and then they
Speaker 3: put to make the sound better, they put carpet.
Speaker 4: It was all just gray tile, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: And you shut the door.
Speaker 3: And there were times when we'd come back from away
Speaker 3: games and it'd be late, and I think our first
Speaker 3: my first radio hit was at like eight or eight thirty,
Speaker 3: and so we'd get back from the East Coast or
Speaker 3: the West coast three or four in the morning.
Speaker 2: I just go down there and sleepy, that was mine.
Speaker 3: You gotta do what you gotta do, right, Yeah, but that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was pretty spartan back then, right, it was as
Speaker 3: it compared to what it turned off.
Speaker 4: Please, Yeah. I mean the funny thing about the Forest
Speaker 4: Lane facility. If you walked in the door, you kind
Speaker 4: of turned to the right, and it was all the
Speaker 4: lockers and they were just wooden, and they weren't very wide.
Speaker 4: They were really crammed in there. And then you went
Speaker 4: up the whole a little bit and it was a
Speaker 4: very small training room. And you went up a little
Speaker 4: bit farther and buck By Cannon had his equipment area
Speaker 4: tiny tied. I don't know how you did it tiny,
Speaker 4: But if you went to the left, there was what
Speaker 4: they called the meeting rooms. But they were just those
Speaker 4: accordion doors that magnet magnet together, so if you were
Speaker 4: in there talking, then the person next room could hear
Speaker 4: you talking. You know, there was no so it's crazy.
Speaker 7: That's all they had.
Speaker 4: And that whole building, the entire building, would fit inside
Speaker 4: the locker room at Valley Range. That's how big Valley.
Speaker 2: Range it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because I remember the team meeting room
Speaker 3: at the practice facility. They were sitting in those elementary
Speaker 3: school desks like you know, the one where you kind.
Speaker 5: Of come in from the where it's kind of like
Speaker 5: hooked together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go, two hundred and fifty pound guys sitting
Speaker 2: in them little desks.
Speaker 4: When I started, if you were two sixty five years
Speaker 4: too big to be an off right line right, you know,
Speaker 4: all you too big.
Speaker 3: That's why when Nate got there it was it was
Speaker 3: a revelation because Tom didn't want a three hundred pound
Speaker 3: offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: I remember the day he came, when we first saw him,
Speaker 4: it was a training can, training can of one thousand oaks,
Speaker 4: you remember they were there were I think it was
Speaker 4: a weightlifting period, and so Randy White overlifting weights and
Speaker 4: they drive up you know, he had to drive over
Speaker 4: to the practice field, right, you could walk, but yeah,
Speaker 4: and he got out of they were talking to him,
Speaker 4: and Randy just stopped and was looking at him, you know,
Speaker 4: just looking at me, and went over, how much do
Speaker 4: you weigh?
Speaker 3: Actually, Randy had a lot to do with them keeping nate,
Speaker 3: because when they finally got on the practice field, he
Speaker 3: told the coaches.
Speaker 2: Hey, this this guy's got something.
Speaker 3: Even though yeah he's you know, got nicknamed the kitchen
Speaker 3: right away that he had something. But yeah, what two
Speaker 3: sixty might have been Tom Rafferty, Yeah that was considered large.
Speaker 4: Yeah in the day. Now it's a linebacker.
Speaker 2: So at the old practice facility, did you have a
Speaker 2: tower to go up?
Speaker 4: And we had it was only it wasn't even one
Speaker 4: hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Right, It was maybe forty before the motel had got there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had the building and it had that old,
Speaker 4: dilapidated painted cowboy blue fence around a metal fence, and
Speaker 4: at the far end when you walked outside, we had
Speaker 4: a scaffold that you walked up. It wasn't even it
Speaker 4: wasn't even more than twenty five thirty feet high. Today
Speaker 4: forty is like a minimum. Oh really, yeah, it was
Speaker 4: low and they shot one camera. It's all they shot today.
Speaker 4: I think when I left we were shooting ten right. Wow.
Speaker 4: So when I came, we had a handheld sixteen milimeter
Speaker 4: camera and Coach Stallings, I had all those great guys.
Speaker 4: When I first came, Coach Stallings had me come and
Speaker 4: I would shoot the dB one on one from the ground.
Speaker 4: I'd be behind the wide receiver. He'd go out and
Speaker 4: I'd shoot that. So that was the first second camera
Speaker 4: we ever shot.
Speaker 2: How did you ever get into the video part of football?
Speaker 4: Well? I have a degree in cinematography and photography from
Speaker 4: Stephen F. Austin, and while I was in college, I
Speaker 4: actually produced a film for US Fishing Wilife Service. I
Speaker 4: took a year off school because one of the professors
Speaker 4: that I was friends with got me into that and
Speaker 4: produced that film for Fishing Wilife Service and through the
Speaker 4: grant had a sixteen millimeter camera and I did another
Speaker 4: film in the summer of seventy six with one of
Speaker 4: the professors. Very interesting. We traveled to the Western United States,
Speaker 4: went to every major Indian reservation archaeological site in the
Speaker 4: US Western It was unbelievable, unbelievable what we did. But anyway,
Speaker 4: and so I came back to Dallas after graduate and
Speaker 4: my professor down there, who I still talk to today,
Speaker 4: he hooked me up with another guy who was a
Speaker 4: little older than me, and we shared a studio space
Speaker 4: in Snyder Plaza and just did product stuff and it
Speaker 4: was still photography and I had that and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: I have this camera. I needed to do something with it.
Speaker 4: So I called Joe Boring. Remember Joe, No, he was
Speaker 4: a scout. He always scout. Joe Boring, Yeah, still with us.
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 4: He was the last. He was a junction boy, and
Speaker 4: he was the last four sport letterman at Texas A and.
Speaker 2: Mhow and he was there.
Speaker 4: He was a head coach at Garland at that time. Right,
Speaker 4: So I called Joe and I said, who films your games?
Speaker 4: What's the deal with that? And I told the story
Speaker 4: on the podcast in episode one. He said, well, one
Speaker 4: company has the contract to do almost every high school
Speaker 4: in DFW area. It was called Educational Enterprises and it
Speaker 4: was down off Dragon Street by industrial fellow that owned
Speaker 4: it was named Jake Milton. So I got on the phone.
Speaker 4: I called Jake, explained to him the situation. He goes yeah,
Speaker 4: let me come out. I'll drive out where your office
Speaker 4: is and we'll talk about it. So he comes out
Speaker 4: and we talk and he goes, I could really use
Speaker 4: use you to do that, you know, because I had
Speaker 4: my own camera and knew what I was doing, And
Speaker 4: so I started shooting high school games. And he said,
Speaker 4: I just got the contract to shoot SMU football and basketball,
Speaker 4: so you can do that. So I shot all the
Speaker 4: years Dickerson and James for at SMU. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was my first football was doing that Texas Stadium.
Speaker 4: They played at Texas Stadium. So through that there was
Speaker 4: a gentleman named Roland Rainey who he actually runs the
Speaker 4: Cotton Bowl now I guess he still does. He was
Speaker 4: the facilities director at SMU, and when I didn't have
Speaker 4: anything going on at Snyder Plaza, which is right next
Speaker 4: to SMU, I'd go over to Hombee Stadium and hang
Speaker 4: out with those guys and just you know, talk. And
Speaker 4: one day he's and he shot. Roland actually shot and
Speaker 4: we shot like I think we shot three or four
Speaker 4: cameras at SMU game. And one day I'm sitting there,
Speaker 4: he goes, Hey, I'm going over to the Cowboy office.
Speaker 4: Do you want to go, and I said sure, so
Speaker 4: I got in the car. We drove over there. He
Speaker 4: walked down the basement. He goes and doing something with
Speaker 4: mister Friedman and Bob, how you doing? I meet you
Speaker 4: and we left. A year later, Jerry Zimmerman, who was
Speaker 4: one of the part time camera guys, was going to
Speaker 4: go start going to work for NFL Films and Bob
Speaker 4: calls rolling and goes, I need a guy. I need somebody.
Speaker 4: He goes, well, call Robert. He can do it. So
Speaker 4: he called me. I went over and talked to him
Speaker 4: and rest shot the eighty one season and at the
Speaker 4: end of the year, he goes, do you want to
Speaker 4: help me with the quality control editing at the end
Speaker 4: of the year, And I go sure. So that was it.
Speaker 4: Home and away game never made a resume in my life.
Speaker 2: Really, wow, Home and away games, Oh, every game. When
Speaker 2: you first started, every game, every game, every game, so
Speaker 2: you were there for the catch. That was my first
Speaker 2: year practice.
Speaker 4: My first year was the catch when we lost the
Speaker 4: championship game in San Francisco, right, So the when we
Speaker 4: beat them about ten years later, that was payback for me. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's pretty cool, all right, we'll take a
Speaker 3: right Here on mick Shots was our special guest Robert Blackwall,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, former director of video and Savannah and I
Speaker 3: will continue to hold down the fort here on Mickshots.
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Speaker 3: As we continue here on mix Shots at Savannah A.
Speaker 3: Mickey and Robert Blackwell's our special guests since Bill Jones
Speaker 3: decided that going to spring training is more important than
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned the nineteen eighty one game, and that
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Speaker 3: Pick a collegiate quarterback that stood out and give him
Speaker 3: an a Legends Award.
Speaker 2: And the Legends Award went to Danny White.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, how about that?
Speaker 3: And I was fortunate enough to be there and it
Speaker 3: was good hooking up with Danny. They give him a
Speaker 3: really nice trophy. It's a bust of Davy O'Brien and
Speaker 3: then a plaque on the bottom on the stand with
Speaker 3: your name and the year you're inducted into it, and
Speaker 3: Danny was in town and we had a great conversation.
Speaker 3: You know, he still does the Compass radio podcast analyst,
Speaker 3: and he's been doing it for about, I don't know,
Speaker 3: eight years, maybe something like that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so I have a story about that.
Speaker 4: When we went to play the preseason game in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that game was my eight hundred consecutive game, really, and
Speaker 4: so we're on the sideline and he was there doing,
Speaker 4: you know, getting doing pregame stuff, and I told him,
Speaker 4: I go, this is my eight hundred consecutive game. He goes, really,
Speaker 4: and I go, yes, and you were quarterback at number one.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, Oh.
Speaker 2: He's the eighty one.
Speaker 4: Made him feel really, he just went, you got to
Speaker 4: be kidding me, I said, no, eighty one.
Speaker 7: Eddie was.
Speaker 3: He was pretty funny because it's a black tie affair.
Speaker 3: And so when he was doing the press conference, he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: he goes, I had to pull this thing out of
Speaker 3: mothballs because I figured, no more awards for me, no
Speaker 3: more black tie affairs. Eddie goes, I still had my
Speaker 3: tucks back in the day. And I think people forget
Speaker 3: because you know, he ends up talking about he went
Speaker 3: to three led the Cowboys, so he took over for
Speaker 3: Roger Staubach. Staback retired after the seventy nine season. Danny
Speaker 3: became the starting quarterback in eighty and took them to
Speaker 3: three consecutive NFC title games.
Speaker 2: They lost them, so they never got to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: And everybody who kind of remembers him as well, he
Speaker 3: couldn't get us to the super Bowl. And it's kind
Speaker 3: of ironic now because if the Cowboys went to three
Speaker 3: consecutive NFC title games today, that would be a big deal.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Right back then, it was ah, you can't get it.
Speaker 4: And it was only one measuring stick, right, that was it.
Speaker 3: And so that was the eighty one game, the NFC
Speaker 3: title game, the catch game with Everson By.
Speaker 4: A funny story about that. We shot two in zone cameras.
Speaker 4: Back then Jack Murray who worked at remember yet Chandlid
Speaker 4: as a sports film guy, he would shoot games with
Speaker 4: us good travel I remember that. So we went to that.
Speaker 4: We had played them earlier in the year, right in
Speaker 4: the regular season. I don't remember where we were at
Speaker 4: that point, but for the championship game, we shot out
Speaker 4: of a suite on that lower ring.
Speaker 2: Level at Candlestick Park, right, and they had.
Speaker 4: Fans in there, they'd sold the seats San Francisco. They're
Speaker 4: in there throwing, yelling, scream and throwing popcorn and everything.
Speaker 4: We're trying to shoot the game. It was it was crazy.
Speaker 6: So on your show you had talked about the process
Speaker 6: of after a game and getting the team the footage.
Speaker 6: What was the process back in the day like for
Speaker 6: being able to shoot the game, process the film and
Speaker 6: then shoot it out to all the players.
Speaker 4: Well, you didn't shoot it out to all the players exactly.
Speaker 4: There was There was maybe two copies of the game
Speaker 4: and it was the real It was a reel of offense,
Speaker 4: a reel of defense, and a real of special teams.
Speaker 4: And that was it.
Speaker 5: And you would edit every walk they get it all together.
Speaker 4: Well, you edited the games you received from the other people.
Speaker 4: You didn't really edit your stuff till the end of
Speaker 4: the year. The coaches would take the complete copy of
Speaker 4: the game play one to the last play, and they
Speaker 4: would put on the projector and that's what they would show.
Speaker 4: You know, there was no really no pull these out.
Speaker 4: Pull that out. Now, when we got opponents film, you
Speaker 4: couldn't cut up their film because that belonged to them,
Speaker 4: So we had to make like a couple of copies,
Speaker 4: process those, and then we would have a sit down
Speaker 4: and edit. We'd have eleven reels here, put the film on,
Speaker 4: look at the viewer, put it in the viewer, and
Speaker 4: if it was the first and ten, put on the
Speaker 4: first and ten reel, it was second, six second or
Speaker 4: two to three second, six four. So he had all
Speaker 4: these different categories all the way down to goal line.
Speaker 4: And you first play first and ten, second, six, you
Speaker 4: put on the reel and when you got and you
Speaker 4: do the second game. When you did that, you would
Speaker 4: take those eleven reels, put some leader on the front,
Speaker 4: and take them upstairs, and that's what they would watch.
Speaker 4: That's all they had.
Speaker 6: Now, would you say, coaches, video now is more demanding
Speaker 6: based on how the NFL is these days.
Speaker 4: It's just gotten crazy with data. I think that's the
Speaker 4: biggest deal. PFF data everything. It's all data driven. You know,
Speaker 4: the video is just the video. And you know people
Speaker 4: talk about nowadays about making cut ups, and you don't
Speaker 4: really make a cut up. You make a computer file
Speaker 4: that tells the computer to play this play first, didn't
Speaker 4: play this play, And they're all in the server and
Speaker 4: it's not making anything, it's just playing those plays out
Speaker 4: in the order you tell them to play it.
Speaker 2: So when when did you guys transition? What year did
Speaker 2: things changing?
Speaker 4: Eighty six? The league went videotape? Okay, and that was
Speaker 4: the year we went to London to play right and
Speaker 4: the preseason game. I think I remember about that. That's
Speaker 4: when the verdict came down. Yes, you know, and everybody
Speaker 4: we were over there when the verdict came down. We
Speaker 4: were in London and mister Shram, you know, he's all
Speaker 4: nervous about it. And it comes down. They goes a
Speaker 4: verdict we lost, and he goes what he goes, Yeah,
Speaker 4: they awarded them one dollar.
Speaker 2: You know, were you in the hospitality room when that
Speaker 2: phone call came in?
Speaker 3: I may have been, yeah, because so we're in this
Speaker 3: high hospitality room and the commissioner, Pete Roselle calls to
Speaker 3: get text to tell him what Robert just said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we lost and they awarded him one dollar.
Speaker 3: H It was a lawsuit by the USFL and they
Speaker 3: were hoping to make some money out of it. And
Speaker 3: so the judge says, yeah, they're right, but the punishment's
Speaker 3: going to be the nfl.
Speaker 2: Owes them one dollar.
Speaker 3: Right. So text is on he's on the phone with
Speaker 3: Roselle and we happened to be in the at that time,
Speaker 3: and we weren't prepared to write anything, so we started
Speaker 3: scratching notes on napkins, right and and and Texas going oh,
Speaker 3: this is so great.
Speaker 2: And he's going on and on and he's real loud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was never loud.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's oh, Pete, I love you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the best thing.
Speaker 3: And finally when he when he hung up, Texas wife Marty,
Speaker 3: she goes, hey, text, if we opened the windows the queen.
Speaker 2: Can hear you? He was saying, it was just celebrating.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that was before the game, right, yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: for the game that was that was amazing.
Speaker 2: So so that was when you guys started with eighty six.
Speaker 4: Eighty six and we didn't know, we didn't know what
Speaker 4: to do. We had cases made, these brilliant, nice cases
Speaker 4: made for every piece of equipment we had, and we
Speaker 4: took them. We took the whole thing to London and
Speaker 4: you had to make a carne as you still do,
Speaker 4: which lists every piece of equipment, where it was manufactured,
Speaker 4: what the value is, had to be on that show.
Speaker 4: Every single scene you took.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 4: Yes, So when we landed and Buck buck by kennan
Speaker 4: equipment guy, had to do the same thing with everything
Speaker 4: he took. So when we landed, Buck and I went
Speaker 4: to customs and everybody else takes off. We were there,
Speaker 4: I don't know how long that three, four or five hours,
Speaker 4: and they would make him open a player bag and
Speaker 4: look at every thing that's in it, you know, because
Speaker 4: they I don't know what, I guess they don't you
Speaker 4: bring things in, you know, especially the electronic stuff we had,
Speaker 4: you know, because it was it was worth a lot
Speaker 4: of money, could be used anywhere, you know, So that
Speaker 4: that was crazy.
Speaker 5: So for you working all these years, what would you
Speaker 5: say was your favorite time of year?
Speaker 8: Draft?
Speaker 6: You've done so much at the drafts every single year,
Speaker 6: training camp, in season, what what was your kind of
Speaker 6: favorite portion of the year.
Speaker 4: I guess really your favorite anybody's favorite portion would be
Speaker 4: if you're in the playoffs. You know, just because and
Speaker 4: I say this a thousand times on my podcast, We're
Speaker 4: not the only people that work hard. We're not the
Speaker 4: only people that work long hours. We're not the only
Speaker 4: people do this. I'm just telling you the stories of
Speaker 4: what it's like, because I have people that started in
Speaker 4: the sixties and seventies on my show, tell tell them
Speaker 4: what it was like back then. So but just you
Speaker 4: start the season and the NFL is really funny. Doesn't
Speaker 4: matter how you end. Everything's renewed in July. Everybody has
Speaker 4: a chance. You know, some people really don't, but they
Speaker 4: don't realize it, you know. But you go through that,
Speaker 4: and you go through the training camp. We used to
Speaker 4: go to training camp. I was there seven weeks in
Speaker 4: Thousand Oaks. One week to set up and we were
Speaker 4: there six weeks. I can tell you a little bit
Speaker 4: about that earlier or later. But you go through the
Speaker 4: season and the season is like monotonous. It's like groundhog Day,
Speaker 4: you know. You know, every Monday, you know what you're doing. Tuesday,
Speaker 4: we're doing this, Wednesday, we're doing this, Thursday, we're doing this,
Speaker 4: and you do all that, and once you make the playoffs,
Speaker 4: then that's kind of a reward, you know, for all
Speaker 4: that hard work, and you feel bad for the guys
Speaker 4: that don't. But that's the best time of year, is
Speaker 4: the playoffs because even though it's sudden death, you're still
Speaker 4: it's a reward for all the work you've done.
Speaker 2: So when you got there.
Speaker 3: They made the playoffs in eighty one, made them in
Speaker 3: eighty two, eighty three, got eliminated.
Speaker 2: Early by the Rams, and then went in the hole.
Speaker 2: And then eighty four is when I showed up.
Speaker 3: And that was the first year they didn't qualify for
Speaker 3: the playoffs since nineteen sixty five. They started in sixty
Speaker 3: six and made the playoffs or winning seasons. I shouldn't
Speaker 3: say they missed the playoffs in seventy four, but all
Speaker 3: the other years in between they were in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Well, the league wasn't very big back then either.
Speaker 2: Right, fewer teams, yes, and other teams weren't.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys were kind of ahead of their time back
Speaker 3: in the early eighties when it draft and things like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean before I started going to the draft
Speaker 4: in eighty eight and everybody when I started working, there
Speaker 4: might have been twenty five people working. And when the
Speaker 4: draft would come, everyone would go into scouting and everyone
Speaker 4: had a job to do during the draft, and that
Speaker 4: those years, the draft went around the clock, right, I
Speaker 4: didn't stop. So we're there and everybody talks about the
Speaker 4: computer and all that stuff. I never saw that. There
Speaker 4: was all books. Walls of books were written reports and
Speaker 4: when somebody who get drafted, you had to go get
Speaker 4: his book, pull his part of the book out, put
Speaker 4: it in a folder, fell out this sheet, tear that off,
Speaker 4: give that to this person that went around the table,
Speaker 4: and then they put it with where whatever team drafted him.
Speaker 4: It was very mechanical. It wasn't yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: it was a computer involved in what we were doing there.
Speaker 2: Did you have a favorite draft?
Speaker 4: It's just the first I went in eighty eight, and
Speaker 4: then when eighty nine came and Jerry bought the team,
Speaker 4: Stephen and Charlotte were with me at the draft just
Speaker 4: to see, and I think they became bored very fast,
Speaker 4: because I described being at the draft as hours and
Speaker 4: hours of sheer boredom interrupted by a few seconds of
Speaker 4: terror when you're on the.
Speaker 2: Clock, right, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Because you're just setting it most of the day, you're
Speaker 4: just setting there.
Speaker 3: You know, back then it was it was well, at
Speaker 3: one point it was seventeen rounds before it went to twelve.
Speaker 4: Luckily, when I started was the first was when they
Speaker 4: started making it two days right, right, it didn't have
Speaker 4: to go round the clock. But what what's funny is
Speaker 4: you're you're you're sitting there and it's just all this
Speaker 4: is going on and you just have to observe. And
Speaker 4: it was. We were in a ballroom very Marquee on
Speaker 4: the sixth floor. There might have been up in the
Speaker 4: balcony one hundred people. When when I first started, that
Speaker 4: was it? Yeah, and now it's it's it's not it's
Speaker 4: a TV.
Speaker 3: Thing because they didn't let every time Dick and Harry
Speaker 3: into watch.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like a combine.
Speaker 4: Combine was this big secret thing and we were we
Speaker 4: have to go shoot the combine every years, big secret thing.
Speaker 4: You couldn't get in. You couldn't get in another selling seats.
Speaker 4: It figured out they could make a buck.
Speaker 3: So how much interaction would you have uh with the
Speaker 3: players when the season started or whatever time?
Speaker 4: You're with him all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: We we would Uh. I really like Russell Maryland. I
Speaker 4: still talk to him. Tony Tolbert. I still go to
Speaker 4: lunch with Tony every once in a while. But uh,
Speaker 4: and I would uh when I was working, I would
Speaker 4: help Troy out with stuff for his broadcast so we
Speaker 4: could look so, you know, stay in touch with him, right,
Speaker 4: you know, and might see Mike every now and then,
Speaker 4: Mike Carvan. But h Randy White, I live in Prosper
Speaker 4: Randy White lives out there, running to him every now
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 2: So is he still in his still same place, same place?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That Uh. We went and did an interview with him
Speaker 3: one year it must have been I don't know, five, six,
Speaker 3: seven years ago. And uh, he has cattle, you know,
Speaker 3: he's got he's kind of he's got all this land,
Speaker 3: but everything's growing up around his place.
Speaker 4: Well he has it. He's like two houses, yes, and
Speaker 4: he has some property a few acres. And next door
Speaker 4: to him is this mansion known by Tory Hunter.
Speaker 8: Oh is that who?
Speaker 2: It's huge, right, Tory hunters baseball?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And I remember one year the cattle were all over
Speaker 3: the place and on the back side of his land
Speaker 3: is this it's a huge another huge mansion, right, And
Speaker 3: I said, those people should have to pay for the atmosphere, right,
Speaker 3: because it's free, right they get and and he was
Speaker 3: talking about the cattle, and I said, well, can you
Speaker 3: get them over here so we can get a shot
Speaker 3: with you and the cattle in the background.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh yeah, hang on.
Speaker 3: So he goes in the other barn or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and he gets some sort of treat that the cattles love.
Speaker 3: He throws it out there and here comes. It's a
Speaker 3: stampede to get to the fence where we were standing
Speaker 3: because they had got their treats, right, but it's surrounded.
Speaker 3: At that time, they were getting ready to build a
Speaker 3: like two hundred homes across the street or something. Right,
Speaker 3: they all did it now, right, Yeah, that was Yeah,
Speaker 3: Randy would be a favorite of everybody. Okay, let's take
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Speaker 6: Real Football Stories. What inspired you to begin this podcast?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm really good friends with Mike Perkins. Who is
Speaker 4: He's the video guy at the Jaguars. His father's Ray Perkins.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, okay, coach the.
Speaker 4: Giants played for Bear Bryant, coach Dalla, and we were
Speaker 4: just talking. He's younger, he's in his fifties and we
Speaker 4: were just talking that we need to every well be
Speaker 4: back up every year. Started a few years ago, we
Speaker 4: started we have a reunion every year that try to
Speaker 4: get all the old guys to come to in Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: He hosted the Jaguars host that we go in the
Speaker 4: owner suite, I have lunch, we do all this stuff.
Speaker 4: It's a two day, a three day deal. And we
Speaker 4: were talking that all these guys are here and we're
Speaker 4: all telling the stories. We said, we need to document this,
Speaker 4: you know, before it's gone. Yeah, you know, because these
Speaker 4: are guys that were from the sixties, seventies, you know,
Speaker 4: have all these stories. So we said, we need to
Speaker 4: do a podcast. So he's kind of my silent partner
Speaker 4: in the background, and I just wanted to document all
Speaker 4: these guys before their stories are gone, you know, because
Speaker 4: you know, there's football fanatics everywhere, you know, like I
Speaker 4: have listeners in twenty six different countries, you know, around
Speaker 4: the world. It was amazing, you know. But my first
Speaker 4: guest the first episode was me and and Friedo was
Speaker 4: my producer to start with. Yeah, Friedman tragically passed away
Speaker 4: in October, and so the first was about me talking.
Speaker 4: But my first guest was Al tremmell Al was eighty
Speaker 4: five at the time, and he was the original film
Speaker 4: guy hired by Vince Lombardi at the Packers in sixty four,
Speaker 4: sixty three, sixty four. So he came on and we
Speaker 4: talked about the Ice Bowl. He was at the Ice Bowl,
Speaker 4: Super Bowl one, Super Bowl two. So I just kind
Speaker 4: of went from there and we went to a roundtable
Speaker 4: that's kind of out of control. We had. I had
Speaker 4: six guys and we just everybody's just telling stories and
Speaker 4: ragging on each other, and we talk about the combine.
Speaker 4: We talk about the draft because we all went to
Speaker 4: the draft. I went to the draft. I was representative
Speaker 4: for thirty two years, and all of us, there was
Speaker 4: about maybe ten or twelve video guys that went to
Speaker 4: the draft. I guess we were the responsible people. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but anyway, and the one podcast that I
Speaker 4: really like is I talked to Jim Ponds, who was
Speaker 4: the started with the original film guy with the Jets.
Speaker 4: He started in their mail room at the Jets and
Speaker 4: said two or whenever it was, and then they needed
Speaker 4: somebody to want to hire an in house film guy
Speaker 4: because every back then all the teams contracted the film
Speaker 4: work out, you know. So they wanted to bring it in,
Speaker 4: so they hired He said, I can do it, So
Speaker 4: they hired him. And uh, the interesting story about him,
Speaker 4: he hired John Sider, which was a friend of his
Speaker 4: a few years later, to be an assistant. They were
Speaker 4: both rock and rollers. Jim Pons who played with the
Speaker 4: Turtles from sixty seven to seventy and he played with
Speaker 4: Frank Zappa. They toured, They toured with the Doors, and
Speaker 4: so we did a we did a football we did
Speaker 4: a Jets podcast, and then we did a rock and
Speaker 4: roll podcast because John Sider was assistant. Was a drummer
Speaker 4: for Spanking Our Gang. Then he was the drummer for
Speaker 4: the Turtles for a while and then he went with
Speaker 4: another band. So we told rock and roll stories for
Speaker 4: an episode. It was really good.
Speaker 3: So you need to get a hold of the Rock
Speaker 3: and Roll Hall of Fame, it said that stuff to him,
Speaker 3: or Pro Football Hall of Fame too. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure the history of the video stuff would be fascinating
Speaker 3: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: In fact, they just included video or film or video people, equipment, people,
Speaker 4: pr and trainers in the Award of Excellence at the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. So we had four or five people
Speaker 4: go in last year.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I didn't realize that bub B Kennan went
Speaker 2: in last year. And so is there a wing.
Speaker 4: There's a right outside of the theater there's a big
Speaker 4: Award of Excellence area and they put your name there. Huh.
Speaker 4: We had five guys go in, two of them posthumously,
Speaker 4: and well one couldn't make it all went in for
Speaker 4: the Packers, right, he just couldn't travel. He was eighty
Speaker 4: seven now. And Mickey Dugich, who was the original film
Speaker 4: guy in the NFL for the Rams Nicest guy in
Speaker 4: the world, he went in posthumously. He's he passed away
Speaker 4: several years ago.
Speaker 2: So you had never done anything like this, like podcast stuff,
Speaker 2: no radio, no TV.
Speaker 4: No, it's not hard.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the greatest thing in the world. You get
Speaker 2: paid to talk, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you just give your opinion. It's like the
Speaker 4: thing about my podcast is if you go to sports podcasts,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say all of them, but ninety five
Speaker 4: percent of them are people that never did anything, never
Speaker 4: did They just like to talk and they want you
Speaker 4: to hear their opinion, right right, Well, that's not what
Speaker 4: I do I'm gonna let you talk to people who
Speaker 4: were there, who did it for thirty forty years, you know,
Speaker 4: and they're going to tell you what it was like
Speaker 4: back then. Jimpon's again with the Jets. Four coaches when
Speaker 4: he started, that's all. They had, four coaches. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, if you ever go back and look at the
Speaker 3: media guides from the early sixties, the Cowboys didn't have
Speaker 3: that many instant coaches.
Speaker 4: When I started in eighty one, there might have. There's
Speaker 4: probably maybe ten, right, maybe normal Allen, you know, he
Speaker 4: was the forerunner of a quality control right guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and not very many. But when I started,
Speaker 4: Ernie Stalkner, Jim Myers, Jerry Tubbs, Jean Stallings, you know,
Speaker 4: all those guys, you know. And I tell the story
Speaker 4: all those old guys. When we were in Thousand Oaks
Speaker 4: at training camp, they would go to this place called
Speaker 4: the Velvet Turtle. Yeah, I remember, I remember at a bar. Yes,
Speaker 4: And every once in a while, Dick Nolan and Ernie
Speaker 4: would say, come on, you're going with us tonight, and
Speaker 4: they would go. I wasn't young, I was in my
Speaker 4: early thirties, but they would take me and they would
Speaker 4: just sit there and drink and just tell these stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it was just amazing, which was
Speaker 2: back in the day. I'm gonna forget the name of
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 3: Texts used to go out all the time with the writers, right,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, the Black something like you had Velvet Turtle.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the Black Bear or whatever.
Speaker 3: It was the bar, and if you were out at night,
Speaker 3: you always wanted to go there because Texts would be
Speaker 3: there holding court and basically arguing with the writers who
Speaker 3: was right and who was wrong.
Speaker 2: It's different days, right.
Speaker 4: I tell you a story I haven't told in the podcast.
Speaker 4: In the dormant one thousand Oaks, right Canale Hall, I
Speaker 4: was in the dorm with the coaches, almost one dorm.
Speaker 4: My door was here.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I roomed with Bob, my boss, and Al Lavan, right,
Speaker 4: the running back coach. But so I had a bed
Speaker 4: up kind of by the door there. One night late
Speaker 4: and I hear these two guys are arguing outside and
Speaker 4: they're not yelling at each other, and I figure out
Speaker 4: it's Text Shram and Jim Dent and they were just
Speaker 4: going at it. And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I'm standing by the door, thinking because his text
Speaker 4: door was right across the hall from Mone. So I
Speaker 4: think I'm just gonna said, if it comes physical, I'm
Speaker 4: up to open the door and go out there. And
Speaker 4: so it never. They kept you on and finally they
Speaker 4: calmed down and went in and he left. And I
Speaker 4: told that story to Rush Russell and who did the
Speaker 4: Cowboy Weekly. He was more or less invented the Cowboy
Speaker 4: Weekly newsletter. I told that him years and years ago,
Speaker 4: and he said, I was standing next to text I
Speaker 4: was about to grab Jim.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was there, were you? It was eighty six
Speaker 2: and they were gonna sign herschel Walker and.
Speaker 3: I was standing there and we were talking to Texts,
Speaker 3: and Jim thought that herschel Walker was in Texas office.
Speaker 3: So we were in the lobby area and then Texts
Speaker 3: had that office there and his bedroom, and Jim goes, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going in there. You got herschel Walker in there,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I got nothing, nothing, And.
Speaker 2: The Weekly guy he's standing there, and he goes he
Speaker 2: finally broke him up. He had to step in between, right.
Speaker 3: And so the next morning, in the lobby ay of
Speaker 3: that dorm, they had like breakfast stuff and the media
Speaker 3: could go in there and whatever.
Speaker 2: So we're in there first thing in the morning and
Speaker 2: Text walks in and he goes, hey, Jim, you want
Speaker 2: to come into my office?
Speaker 3: Note just like that, right, And it was like bygnes
Speaker 3: or by God see text with just the next day
Speaker 3: everything's back to normal. But they were they almost came
Speaker 3: to blows. You're exactly right, it was. It was amazing. Well,
Speaker 3: this has been a fun, fun day for us, and
Speaker 3: I appreciate Robert, you coming in and we were able
Speaker 3: to do this and again, uh, let them know how
Speaker 3: to find real sports.
Speaker 4: It's real Real Football Stories is the name of the podcast,
Speaker 4: and reel is spilled r E E L like a
Speaker 4: reel of film. And it's on Amazon, Spotify, Apple, all
Speaker 4: the podcasts platforms.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that sounds like fun, and uh, we may
Speaker 3: have something else we need to listen to right now.
Speaker 5: It's been a pleasure, Robert, thanks.
Speaker 4: For being with us.
Speaker 3: Appreciate and hopefully we have our gang back together next Monday.
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