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Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. We were like, well, let's just do

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast hosted by Buzznight.

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Speaker 2: Buzz speaks with musicians and gets the scoop on their

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Speaker 2: new projects. Austin John Winkler is an American rock vocalist

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Speaker 2: and songwriter best known as the original lead singer for

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Speaker 2: the band Hinder. During his time with the group, he

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Speaker 2: helped them create their breakthrough album, Extreme Behavior in two

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Speaker 2: of an Angel. Today, Austin's here to chat about his

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Speaker 2: musical journey and his brand new band, The Founder, and

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Speaker 2: the new EP Walking Dead. Austin John Winkler joins Buzz

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Speaker 2: Night on the Taking a Walk podcast right now.

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Speaker 3: Austin John Winkler, thanks for being on Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Good he be good to be here. Boys. Thank you man.

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Speaker 3: So, since the podcast is call Taking a Walk, we'd

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Speaker 3: like to ask this question. At the beginning of every episode.

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Speaker 3: We pose to our guests if you could take a

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Speaker 3: walk with somebody living or dead. Could be somebody involved

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Speaker 3: something or someone personal to you. Who would it be

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Speaker 3: and where would you take a walk with them?

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Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's a good question. I think I'd want

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Speaker 1: remembered something that he gave me advice. You know, it

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Speaker 3: Where do you think you'd be walking with him?

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Speaker 1: Oh, on the beach man, somewhere, I don't know, something

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Speaker 3: You'd get something that you hadn't learned about life out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 3: Where does a walk for you come into your day,

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Speaker 3: But does it make you look at stuff differently now?

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Speaker 3: The impact that you are making by being so transparent

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, it's it's amazing to read comments and

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Speaker 3: So you reached this point, which was pretty much. The

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Speaker 1: the raw side, because there's so many rock records out

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Speaker 1: and rock bands out now doing the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how heavy we can get everything. And it's

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Speaker 1: to me, it sounds like what the exception of a

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Speaker 1: else is just seems like boo And that's like I

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Speaker 1: so heavy and the melodies are gone, and you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why, that's why I wanted to pursue something a

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Speaker 1: little more like still kind of sexy rock and roll,

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Speaker 1: but a little more raw. And yeah, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the gist of what the Founder became.

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Speaker 3: So go through some more of the tracks and how

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I think that there's a song on there,

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Speaker 1: the last track on the EP, called The Fall, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a very personal song and it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: how there's maybe a little bit of anger and definitely

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Speaker 1: hurt in it, and it's it's one of those songs

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Speaker 1: it takes you to a place and I've got nothing

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Speaker 1: but amazing feedback on that song and I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: So's that's awesome. Yeah, that's great. So envision going out

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Speaker 3: and where you're going to be and the kind of

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we're about to announce it this week,

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Speaker 1: mean I'm going out with some some two other bands

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Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna start playing some clubs and I'm

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's gonna be It's gonna be some some

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Speaker 1: raw rock and roll. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so great. Well, congratulations on it. And closing,

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Speaker 3: so any dream collaborations that you might think about that

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Speaker 3: road or is it really just important to savor this moment,

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Speaker 3: stay healthy and you know, keep your your eyes on

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, I I mean I haven't ever

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Speaker 1: thought about collabse at all. Like I think you're I

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Speaker 1: think you kind of hit it on the head with

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Speaker 1: me kind of staying focused and you know, really really uh,

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Speaker 1: I can, and just you know, it's it's just something

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Speaker 1: super special for me and I'm really looking forward to.

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Speaker 3: Well. I'm so honored that you would be on and

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Speaker 3: that you would share your story, you would try to

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Speaker 3: help others by sharing your story, and that now you've

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Speaker 3: found that you know creative, you know fire and passion

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Speaker 3: again with your new music. So I couldn't be happier

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Buys. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being on Taking a Walk, Austin.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, buddy.

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