1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: on your Home of the Black and Gold s O 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio, late breaking news for when we record. Yeah, 4 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: the Steelers today making a pair of moves and resigning 5 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: both Vince Williams and Josh Dobbs. You know, the signing 6 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of Williams in that period of two or three day 7 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: period at the start of free agency, when think Tyson 8 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: a little Yeah, all the news right right right, well, 9 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, Mike Hilton signs, all this stuff happening, people 10 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: were freaking out the Steelers, all these snaps off their defense. 11 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: Another starter on defense is gone. Right. I kept saying, 12 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: let's have the breaks here and let's see what happens 13 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: with all of this before sure, before we lose our 14 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: minds um And as it turns out, a little role 15 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: changes his mind. The Steelers, Vince Williams coming back to 16 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers. They resigned Cam Sutton at that same period. 17 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: It's not much different. They lost and you knew that, 18 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: and you knew you weren't. You can bring Hilton and 19 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: Sutton back. I mean that was planned for to so 20 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: really off of your defense, you've now lost. Stephen Nelson 21 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: dupri and right, right, right, and you have a in 22 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: house replacement for Hilton or Nelson. You're not both, but 23 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: one or the two with with Sutton, um, right, And 24 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: that's not unusual. I mean, that's not much different than 25 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: most years, you know, right. And they're not elite players, 26 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: they're good players. Yeah yeah, I mean they drafted his 27 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: replacement last year. You were doing the hierarchy of Steelers defenders. 28 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: He would have been four or five last year, yeah, 29 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean probably five, Yeah, in that neighborhood. A good 30 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: player on a good defense and made huge money. And 31 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: he's also you're also gonna yield a compic for that too. Um. 32 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: There was rumors that Davery Williamson was going to be 33 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: the news, so I was shocked when it was Vincent 34 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: popped up. But we were talking off the air. They're 35 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: very similar. Your hunch, I think, is how you said 36 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: it was. They probably offered both a similar contract and 37 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: whoever been on it first, great, they said, Mary Williams, 38 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: and hey, because this is the time of year. Actually, 39 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: Steven Nelson put the tweet out yesterday as and I 40 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: noticed they said essentially the teams are bargain shopping right now. 41 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you can pick up some values right now, right, 42 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: and the steers of cap space right, the head cap space, 43 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: I think the way you know, I think dollars the 44 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: doughnuts being equal. They would prefer to get Vince Williams 45 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: back because he knows the defense better for them, all 46 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: that stuff right that they said, Okay, we're gonna make it. 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna offer Vince, but we're also talking to Avery's 48 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: people in case Vince decides that he doesn't want to 49 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: come back, because that honestly, a lot of times in 50 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: situations like this, Steal has released Vince Williams because he 51 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: was making too much money much funny, right, It takes 52 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of you have to swallow your pride 53 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: a little bit then to take a lesser deal to 54 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: come back to the same team a little bit. But 55 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: such as life. I mean, they're still your friends, you 56 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: that you play with, and the familiarity, and um, who's 57 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: to say how many calls he got after getting getting 58 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: to let go. There's some rumors that I just read 59 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: a second ago, that he turned down other offers from 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: other teams. That might be true, but it's probably not 61 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: millions different. They were probably very similar to you know 62 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: one year deals that I've been successful here. I like 63 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I'm gonna have the same group coaching 64 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: me up. But I don't have to sell my house, 65 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: right right. The families involved in this stuff too in 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: personal world. And he's got a good gig. Um. Yeah, 67 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: he played a lot of snaps here. I don't know 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about this, you know, for the first time. 69 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't think this changes their draft needs at all. No. 70 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I again, if it's a one year deal, 71 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: which is I'm assuming that's what it is, I would imagine, Um, 72 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: you know, you've got Robert Spillin there again. You you brother, 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: you would you would like to upgrade that position next 74 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: to Devon Bush to the point at the very least 75 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: that if something were to happen to Bush again, you're 76 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: not putting You're you're putting a better product on the 77 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: field out there behind him. Yeah, right, right, right right. 78 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned Spilaine. I don't think this is a ringing 79 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: endorsement for him. I think he's a four, you know, 80 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: ideally a special teams guy, which is he's a very 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: good special team I think he's an NFL player. I 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: think he's Tyler Madeckevic maybe slightly defense made slightly more 83 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: athletic to Medica, but that's what he is. When I 84 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: noticed him in training camp two years ago, I said, 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: this guy's got something, you know. I think he's a 86 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: more athletic Tyler Madachavic. That's what he is. But offense 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: is not an athlete and not a modern day linebacker. 88 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: But he's very familiar. You could in his above the 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: neck play is is way better and he's just seem 90 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: so much more than those guys, much different than Bush. 91 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's obviously very accomplished. Blitzer, he stops to run. 92 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: You play the Browns and Ravens four times a year, 93 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: if not more. You know, he might start those games 94 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: and play a lot of snaps where if you play 95 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City, he doesn't, you know, I mean it depends. 96 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: But if Jamie Davis falls the second round, still taking 97 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: him right, yeah, I mean, you can stillsition And you know, 98 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Devin Bush is going into year three. What happens if 99 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, you decide he's already down the down the road, 100 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Hey we want to move on. You know, we're not 101 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: going to pick up his fifth year option or whatever happens. 102 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: More injuries. Yet you gotta have to me, you know, 103 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: And that's why they drafted Ulysses Gilbert, who was very 104 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: similar athletically to Devon Bush. He's not the player that 105 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: Devon bushes, but you hope that you had two of 106 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: those athletes, you know, those those quick, fast inside linebackers. 107 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: That's why you move Marcus Allen. I mean, but as 108 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: a safety, maybe he's not the fastest safety, but as 109 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker, he's a pretty fastest. Yeah, he's a 110 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: pretty fast inside linebacker. And I bet they do draft one. 111 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it isn't an early round. We've talked about them 112 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, we've talked about the depth at that 113 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: position in this draft. You can get guys into maybe 114 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: even the fifth and sixth round that are that are 115 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: the prospects. Coach them up and and and see what 116 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, and again you have before these two moves, 117 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: fourteen million insis of cap space. They probably don't put 118 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: much of a dent in that. With the with the 119 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: displacement and everything else, you probably probably shaved one one 120 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: point five off your something like that. We get the 121 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: dabs here in a minute, but I mean you can 122 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's good for what how many snaps Vince 123 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: might play, I mean played six plus last year the 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: year before, not as many because they don't want Vince 125 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: Williams on the field, and I think they love thirty 126 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: three forty. Yeah, there's a there's a purpose there. Yeah, 127 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: but but there's still you gotta drop someone out there 128 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: for still STAPs or whatever, and you don't know who 129 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna get in the draft. So the familiarity of 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: it all adds up. It's not a big investment, you know, 131 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it really isn't though. Um As for the Dabbs situation, 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I think that does affect what they do in the draft, 133 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: but there's no chance they sign a quarterback or draft 134 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: quarter because now they have four. Do you think i'd 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: like to see his contract? Is he guaranteed to make 136 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the team. No, that's I mean, it's it's kind of 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: like him and Haskins are fighting for that third spot. Yeah. 138 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: I guess if Haskins is a wash, you just got out. 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: He got Dobbs and you know you know who he is. 140 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: He knows the bird in the hand. Yeah, okay, Yeah, 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: I haven't given the Doabs one a lot of thought. 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: I was a little shocked when it came across, because 143 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, if if you went into it with three 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: at the very least, and after the draft is over, 145 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: you're signing a quarterback because you need a fourth on 146 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: at least four in camp, right right right, So you 147 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: probably don't do that unless somebody falls into your lap. 148 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: You know. No, I think you're right, is or any 149 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: of them practice quite eligible? Uh, with the way the 150 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: rules have changed, now you get you get four, I 151 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: believe that are who are veteran guys. I would think 152 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: that Dobbs would be Eligibleskins might be eligible. He don't know, 153 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: he may have started too many games. I don't know. 154 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'd have to look at the rules and 155 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: we usually what we do with that is at to 156 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: start a training camp. Um, Kevin Colbert will come back 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: and talk to us off the record, and we'll run 158 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: down the entire roster who who who is and who 159 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: isn't based on that year's rules because it changes from 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: year to year, and it's not there's not a website 161 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: you just go to and I'll tell you either. It's 162 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: not easy to find. But Dobbs has been Dobbs should 163 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: be practice quite eligible. Yeah, So I mean you would 164 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: think you'd like that for on the roster total. When 165 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: things roll around, they typically they typically don't. They typically 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: have the three quarterbacks and they keep them on the 167 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: active roster. The thing with Devil and Hodges a couple 168 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: of years ago was last year was different because of 169 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Good point, and Haskins might be a knucklehead, 170 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: it might not be someone they can count on, or 171 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: it might come in and look great. And that's the 172 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: other that's the other great thing about bringing Dobbs in 173 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: to feel that that fourth spot. If you're bringing in 174 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: a number four guy before he's gonna learn your offense, yes, 175 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: and you guys spend more time. You're gonna spend time 176 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: working with him. Now you can spend that time working 177 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: with Haskins and you don't have to worry about your 178 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: number four guy, and they can. They're gonna be on 179 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: equal footing. He's super smart, been around the block, knows 180 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: the offense back and forth. It's not gonna change that 181 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: much under Canada, but he does run better than all 182 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: the other ones. There's that without question. Um, there's times 183 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: during the duck period that they would have killed to 184 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: have Hodges or yeah, you know, and I think that's 185 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: the best point is, Yeah, he'll get snaps, but he's 186 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: not gonna eat into all the snaps that Rudolph and 187 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: Haskins are gonna get, you know, in week one of 188 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: the preseason things like that, they're gonna get a lot 189 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: of valuable snaps to evaluate them. Yeah. Absolutely. Um. Looking 190 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: at the big signing in the a f C North 191 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: and we talked a little bit about this one. Uh 192 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: ten million dollars for Jadeveon Clowney up to is what 193 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: I saw. Well, I think it's an eight million plus 194 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: two million incentives. That's a lot. It's a lot of 195 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: I mean, so they've they've paid. And I saw Tony 196 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Grossy put out the tweet that the Browns now have 197 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: five former number one picks on their defensive front. One 198 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: of them is one of them, Stack McKinley and yeah, 199 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 1: right right, I mean twice big whoop. Sheldon Richardson is 200 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: another one like okay, decent player, but not they have 201 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: two first overall picks. Yeah, to think of it, you know, 202 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Clowney hasn't quite lived up to that. Actually they have 203 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: three because three total on the team. Oh all right, 204 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking, And they now have I believe that 205 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: the other part of it was they have they have 206 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: ten first round draft picks on their roster. Doesn't shock me. 207 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: They've been bad forever and they had multiple for like, yeah, 208 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: but only like four of them were actually drafted by them. Okay, 209 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, having and obviously Mayfield and that's 210 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Yeah, okay, I mean it's something I 211 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: mean when in doubt, I would bring in a high 212 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: pedigree player and hope you can coach them up and 213 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: revive their career. And you know, we kind a laugh 214 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: of Clowney now for two years in a row. But 215 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: he's not bad. I mean, no, I'm not. He's certainly 216 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: certainly better than what the Browns had, Yeah, especially post 217 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Vernon injury. And you know, but I don't I don't 218 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: know how much a how much you can trust him 219 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: to be on the field. I've done at all, right, 220 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and and be is he worth that kind of money now? 221 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: They I also saw a thing where they they may 222 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: have to ask like Richardson to take a pay cut 223 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: to release him to sign Clowney. Then if that happens 224 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: and you didn't help your team, not really, and especially 225 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: especially in this draft, by the way, right, That's what 226 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, is, so, how did they set 227 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: themselves up for the draft, because nearly every mock you 228 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: see had them taking an edge guy, and there was 229 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: you should be four or five in that neighborhood that 230 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: works out Phillips or Rousseau or pay or whoever they like, 231 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: or who's Availa, whoever is. But if you're weaker at 232 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: tackle and you eliminated the end need, that doesn't line 233 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: up with the draft at all, know, I mean it's 234 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: a total opposite. Yeah, I mean, are you then taking 235 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: Christian Barmore five just because? And maybe? But that's a 236 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: little overdrafting. And is he ready to play the snaps yet? 237 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't know, He's never done it right, 238 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: right exactly. That's interesting. I mean I still think that 239 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: the lineman would be in play for them. Yeah, Clowney 240 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: could pay off big. I mean, oh, it's it's a 241 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a swing for the fence. 242 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. UM and the Browns were 243 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: doing a lot awful lot of that UM. But the 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Titans did that last year with the same guy and 245 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: it didn't work out. And it was even later in 246 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: the process. I remember last year, nobody really wanted him. 247 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: A year ago. He loomed out there for a long 248 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: time and Houston had dealt him to Seattle, and then 249 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: he loomed out there forever Titans signed him, didn't want 250 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: to bring him dollars get a lot of money, right, 251 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: and he's made again. I looked this up on money. 252 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: He's made sixty seven million dollars in his career and 253 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: now you're attacking another he'll be up to seventy five million. Now. Yeah, 254 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: and what's he what's he really done? I mean, what's 255 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: he have twenty five Saxon's career or something like that. 256 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: I'm guessing right around there. Yeah, I missed a lot 257 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: of miss games. It could pay off. He would not 258 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: be a guy I would invest in. And I think 259 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: we both agree on that. For two years running and 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: you're on four teams and four less than four years 261 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: is a red flag. Yeah, something's wrong. Like if his 262 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: if he hadn't been the first overall picking the draft, 263 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: is he gets signed to that many teams? I don't 264 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: think although m Kinley has they signed to They've they've 265 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: said they've signed their two big solutions at Edge are 266 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: signing two guys who've been on four different teams in 267 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: two years, very short at a time, and those guys 268 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the old team didn't want to bring him back. You 269 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: get to know him, you're with him every day, like, yeah, 270 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: we can live without that guy, right right, and he's 271 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: not worth it. And I you know again, you get 272 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: some of that mercenary. You know, Richardson's kind of that too. 273 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without question. I mean that's definitely who Clowny 274 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: has become. I mean, Nomakong SU's that guy. I mean, 275 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean some good players. Rivas was like that at 276 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: the end of his career. But I get it. I mean, 277 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: get all the money you can. I don't play in 278 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the player just I don't know, it could backfire. It 279 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: doesn't really move the needle for me. With the Browns, No, 280 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: I think we'll see clips today that they're the team 281 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: to beat in the North for can they challenge the 282 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs and just you know, Vegas odds will change And 283 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't do that for me. No, not at all, 284 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: not at all. Um Monday, after we were done, the 285 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman news hit everywhere, and the thing has struck 286 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: me about it. Quickly, and I wrote about it that night. 287 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: It was like the Hall of Fame put out a 288 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: thing saying Julian Edelman will be eligible for the Hall 289 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: of Fame in in They don't do that for everybody. 290 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm sure. Secondly, Julian Edelman is in 291 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: no way, shape or form a Hall of Fame player. 292 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: I agree. I had a long conversation about it yesterday 293 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: on my podcast, and in a way I feel bad 294 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: because I had a great career. Yeah, I mean I'm 295 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: not I'm not discounting what the guy didn't. Had people 296 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: coming after me on Twitter when tweeted out the story, 297 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: you're an idiot, blah blah. I'm look, I said, the 298 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: guy's a great football player, great football players. He's not 299 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. No, I mean immediately that's the 300 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: new thing, as soon as you retire, Hall of Fame 301 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: or not, you know, as opposed to he should be 302 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: in the Patriots circle absolutely absolutely and beloved him Boston forever, right, 303 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: never should buy a beer in Boston again, you know 304 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: what I mean? But the way I look at and 305 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: I think you sent me this man, it might have 306 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: been a body of mine. They compared heinz Ward's numbers 307 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: two Edelman's. Have you seen these that did the same thing. Yeah, okay, 308 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: because if you compare West Welker's numbers, that's the other 309 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: end is going to bring up, Like, I think Welker 310 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: is better than Edelman and he has better numbers, And 311 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: it was he was the pioneer there too. I mean, 312 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: he's sort of paved the way for him. Edelman's a 313 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: great player and his postseason numbers are awesome, but I 314 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: think Ward has no chance of being in the in 315 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and Ward I'd probably rather play 316 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: against Edeleman and boards are better number. It's exactly what 317 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I wrote, and I said, look, you know, I get it. Um. 318 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, I sat in that in the room a 319 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: couple of years ago and listen to Ron Board just 320 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: talking about how he was the Boston representative on the 321 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame committee talking about how those Patriot teams. 322 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: He was speaking specifically about the early YEA. So it's 323 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I think Tay Law is the 324 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: only one that's that's in from that group. Yeah, he said, 325 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: So essentially what people are saying is it was it 326 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: was Belichick's team. Brady and a bunch of slappy's on 327 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: that team because nobody else is in the in the 328 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame um And I I said, look, I 329 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: this is not an anti patriot thing. I voted for 330 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Richard Seymour for the Hall of Fame. Julian Edelman is 331 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame player. I'm sorry. Six hundred 332 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: career catches in twelve years, at no point in his 333 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: career was he considered a top five wide receiver. I 334 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: mean those slot machines put up numbers, but most of 335 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: their catches are long handoffs. I mean slots in general, 336 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: you know Welker's, Amendola's, even the Michael Thomas is the world. Now, 337 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: you've got to be a tough s o b I mean, 338 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: because you don't get pushed out of bounds by you know, 339 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: every tax I mean sometimes beef tackles follow on you. 340 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: And it's not for everyone. But what we're seeing now 341 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: from slot guys, Tyreek kills a perfect example. They'll burn 342 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: you over the top. You know, Edelman was a very 343 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: one dimensional guy and he was a long handoff and 344 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: to me, that was not you know, Hall of Fame 345 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: special place. It goes back to the Steve tasker argument, 346 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: right right, I mean, good football player, played a great 347 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: role on on on good team. But that doesn't mean 348 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: that you're a Hall of Famer. No, no, yeah, you 349 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: know somebody's gave it. Well, how is Lynn Swanna hall 350 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: of famer? If if Julian Edelman is not, Look at 351 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: the numbers. The numbers are look and teen seventy eight, 352 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: the first year that the NFL went to a sixteen 353 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: game schedule, there were four thousand yard receivers in the league, 354 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: and Steve Largent led all wide receivers. I believe with 355 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: seventy seven catches. Who who's also a Hall of Famer. 356 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: It was a completely different ballgame it was. It was 357 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean four thousand yard receivers. If that happened a 358 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, there were like four thousand yard rushers. 359 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, an argument against Swan. Don't get me wrong, 360 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: he didn't play a super long time, doesn't have great numbers, 361 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: but the great numbers for his time. Thought to say, 362 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: for what I recall, he was one of the top 363 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: five receivers without question, also on a great team. And 364 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: I do think that I understand the patriot argument of 365 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: sixties Packers, seventies Steelers, eighties, um Niners, maybe even early 366 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: nineties Cowboys, Like they're littered with Hall of Famers, But 367 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: the way the Patriots were constructed wasn't that same way. 368 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: And Free Agenc he was a thing back then. Like 369 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers wouldn't have kept Joe Green Lambert, those guys 370 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: would have been moving around right right. You can't put 371 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: the franchise tag on all of them. So you know, 372 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: the times were different. I mean, they were built. Gronk's 373 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna go and but they're not gonna have the same 374 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: percentage of them that the Steelers and those things I 375 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: mentioned will I mean, and which turnover quite frankly, I 376 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: mean Belichick's partly to blame for that, absolutely he I mean, look, 377 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: put it this way. He's not in the business of 378 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: putting guys in the whole of fame. Yeah right, He's 379 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: trying to try to win football games. If the guy 380 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: that they traded to the Cardinals, like Chandler Jones, Okay, 381 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: if Chandler Jones stays in New England, he's probably on 382 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame track right now. He'd have a 383 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowls in his name. He probably has 384 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, eighty sacks. At this point, people will be saying, yeah, 385 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones probably a Hall of Famer, and even Richard Seymour, 386 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: who we mentioned, he trades him to the Raiders right 387 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: when he started a decline for but he picked up 388 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: more than a first round picked for him. I mean 389 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: he's a big name guy, like at the Forest Buckner 390 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: type trade from a year ago. So I mean he's 391 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: up gonna stick with them super long. He's gonna bring 392 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: in a lot of guys. The league turns over a 393 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: heck of a lot faster, and Brady made a lot 394 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: of average football players great. Right, it was, Yeah, so 395 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, good football players great. You know, I get 396 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the people in Boston are are Wow, 397 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: He's he's, you know, hall of famer. I don't see 398 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: it at all national time. I mean we just devoted 399 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: five minutes talking about it. National TV shows are doing this. 400 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: He's an automatic Hall of fair Get out of here 401 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: with that crap. Especially, Yeah, who are some of them 402 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: put it? Let's put it this way. When Marquise Pouncey 403 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: retired earlier this year, Marquise Pouncey was on the All 404 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Decade Team for the Tens and at the Hall of 405 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: Fame didn't put out a thing saying, hey, Marquise Pouncey 406 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be eligible for the Hall of Fame. He's 407 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: at least as deserving, probably more so. I mean Edman 408 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: Edelman was never a Pro Bowl player, never never made 409 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl, never, never was all Pro, none, not one. 410 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was ever the best receiver on 411 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: his team if you include wrong, there's that or James White, right, 412 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he was the best receiver on 413 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: your team last year last year? Right? Word fast the 414 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: game in the league. No, he's great, but like Tory Holtz, 415 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: not in yet. Right, And that's that was my argument, 416 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: Like why heinz? Word is never He's not gonna get 417 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. He can't become a finalist 418 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: because now now people look at the numbers, like, well, 419 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: but you can't measure today's numbers versus numbers from years ago. 420 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: It was can't you can't, but you can measure. But 421 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: I know Edelman played in this era. But like who's 422 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: up this year? I think Andre Johnson's up this year? 423 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson versus Edelman? Like who do you think everyone 424 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: wants to play again? He's not even close. I mean, 425 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: and he's not even the Calvin level or the no 426 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: brainer Julio's, Larry's and somebody brought up a J. Green 427 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: like A J. Green was was has been a dominant 428 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: player for at least was the best. It has better 429 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: numbers in Edelman. If he retires, nobody's saying, well, ay, J. 430 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: Green's a slam dunk for the Hall of Fame. Bad 431 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: teams and Green was a better player, Yeah, they would 432 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: rather play against. Yeah, I mean all day long. I 433 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: mean that the taste in your mouth for Green the 434 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: last year or two aren't great, but he was top 435 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: five receiver five years in a a row at least. I mean, yeah, 436 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: that's a good example. So I just think the whole 437 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: thing is silly. And what happens It leads you down 438 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: a road to where you have to sit there. And again, 439 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for Julian Edelman as a player, absolutely, 440 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: but this is a high bar. But let's let's stop 441 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: with this crap for just I mean, come on again, 442 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: I go back to the Palacy thing. Nobody's talking this. 443 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: People in Pittsburgh talked about, you know, it's Palency a 444 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. It wasn't a national thing that you know, no, 445 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: he's not getting that, but they weren't talking about it 446 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: on NFL network and ESPN constantly, and every time you 447 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: turn a radio on that on national show centers, this 448 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: generation retired. You know again, bux Back didn't play again, 449 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: and we wouldn't hear that either, right, right, right, So 450 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't plan on going down this road. And I'm 451 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: not bashing Steelers, but I really think when you it's 452 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: the sniff test, like when you say a name to 453 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame or not. If it's a yes 454 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: right off the bat, he should be in. If he's not, 455 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: like Frankly charl Davis, I'm not sure, Bill Kawer. I 456 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: mean like there's some guys lately the last five years 457 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: that I think have gotten in that don't get the 458 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: automatic stamp of approval, and by no means would Edelman 459 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: be even to their level, you know what I mean? 460 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Like the guys that I questioned that went. I mean again, 461 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: I sat in that room a couple of years ago, 462 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: and Tory Holt doesn't get in. Reggie Wayne, I think 463 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: he's up this year. Yeah, he made it this year, 464 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: but that was his first year. He didn't get in. 465 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: He didn't get in right, they're better players, yeah, I 466 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: mean took guys at Bruce a long time, took Tim 467 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: Brown a long time, recent ones. You know, Edelman is 468 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: not close to those guys, not even in the same 469 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: and they're even a generation behind him. I mean the 470 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: receivers now are better, yeah, much better. Yeah. I mean 471 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: you just look around to Lee and again I get it. 472 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Part of it is are throwing the ball more than ever. 473 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: And his postseason numbers are true, absolutely carries a lot 474 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: of weight. You also played nineteam postseason games, which doesn't hurt. 475 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: But his numbers, his postseason number still pale in comparison 476 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: to Jerry Rice, as every receivers does. But again, that 477 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: doesn't Okay, you played on some good you played on 478 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: some great teams. Good for you. You came up big 479 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl and and and did major contribute 480 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: to those team. Absolutely you got the Super Bowl ring. 481 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: I don't. That doesn't necessarily get you a gold jacket. Yeah. 482 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: I think this is where you were going with From 483 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: the start, though, I was just kind of shocked how 484 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: the major networks, the national people. That was the immediate conversation, 485 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: not boy a great player retired in tremendous, but immediately 486 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: it goes to Hall of Fame and then it forces you. Now, 487 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: it forces you to throw dirt on the on the grave. 488 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: You're like you, no, he's not. Yeah, I mean again, 489 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: it's your be in their Ring of Honor or whatever. Tremendous, 490 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: but no he's not to that level. Yeah, you know, 491 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: I agree he is. Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lally. You're 492 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: listening to The Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We 493 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: want to thank Jacob Breck for keeping us on the 494 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: earth throughout the course of the show, and we want 495 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: to thank you for listening to this edition of The 496 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.