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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Kaboom Clark, and

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Speaker 2: there's Chuck Wow Bryant, and Jerry's not here. She's a

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Speaker 2: dud and this stuff you should know about bomb disposals.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and specifically a dud meaning a thing that

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Speaker 1: doesn't go off right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a dud.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're a kid playing with fireworks and

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Speaker 1: you light one through it at your friend. Nothing happens,

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Speaker 1: and you start crying because it's a dud.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I don't have two cents to waste, black cat,

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Speaker 2: give me my two cents back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're a kid, two cents matter back in

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Speaker 2: the eighties.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: You can put that together with three other cents and

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Speaker 2: buy yourself a stick a butter.

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Speaker 1: Throw it at your friend.

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Speaker 2: So we should shout out. Speaking of friends, are Newish

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Speaker 2: writer Kyle Houkstra, who's writing for us from the UK

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Speaker 2: makes us an international podcast of mystery, and he helps

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Speaker 2: us out with this one. It's a pretty interesting topic

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Speaker 2: if you ask me, and I don't remember where I

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Speaker 2: got the idea, but it's been on the list for

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Speaker 2: a little while and I finally pulled the trigger mechanism

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: No, wow, you're in a roll today.

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Speaker 2: I guess. So that's one way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Had you just seen the hurt Locker or something.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen the hurt Locker. Really, yeah, you check

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 1: It's great movie.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I know, I've heard nothing but good things. I

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Speaker 2: just have not ever gotten around to seeing it. I'm

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Speaker 2: not crazy about war movies. The last war movie that

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Speaker 2: I saw that I really liked was probably Uncommon Valor.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, see like terrible war movies.

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Speaker 2: No, are you crazy, that's one of the best war

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Speaker 2: movies of all time. Oh okay, you don't like an

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Speaker 2: Uncommon Valor?

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Speaker 1: I mean I liked it as a kid in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: But I mean it was very much that I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's regarded as one of the great war movies.

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Speaker 2: You don't think it'd hold up now, huh?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think it would hold up as

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Speaker 1: an eighties war movie.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was a guy in it, Gene Hackman.

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Speaker 1: Randall Tech Cobb, he was Patrick Swayze. Yeah, okay, great movie.

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Speaker 2: It was a great movie. So yes, But no, I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen hert Locker I from what I understand, it's

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Speaker 2: about as accurate a depiction of how bomb disposal technicians

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Speaker 2: or EOD technicians explosive ordnance disposal technicians, I should say,

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Speaker 2: for those who don't know the lingo, it's about as

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Speaker 2: accurate as is what they do. Is is that correct?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never done that job, so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but judging from reading this, it seemed pretty spot on.

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Speaker 1: And I know that Catherine Bigelow makes heck of a movie,

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Speaker 1: so I'm in her corner no matter what.

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Speaker 2: What else does she made besides Zero Dark.

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Speaker 1: Thirty, Well, she did movies. I mean those two were

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Speaker 1: kind of later in her career as far as like

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Speaker 1: did a movie, a vampire movie called Near Dark back

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Speaker 1: in the day. It was great. Oh yeah, and yeah

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Speaker 2: That's the trilogy Near Dark, the hurt Locker, and Zero

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vampire's Bombs and Osama bin Laden.

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Speaker 2: So okay, so we're talking about people who go near bombs,

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Speaker 2: where say there's a lot of people are real estate

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Speaker 2: They walk up to bombs that have not yet did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that can be you know, a military personnel

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Speaker 1: Kyle points out is that, you know, it's always and

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Speaker 2: What's horrif is that when new bomb technology comes out,

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Speaker 2: like they don't know until after somebody's died. Essentially, that's

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Speaker 2: that's often the case, that's how their bomb's gone off, right,

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Speaker 2: But often it's like if it's if say, like it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and since I mentioned that, we've got to throw

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Speaker 1: Kyle some love because he inadvertently came up with his

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Speaker 1: first band name for the show mm hmm, because in

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Speaker 1: describing that back and forth of technology and racing against

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a pretty good band name.

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Speaker 2: Sure what kind of music?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's got to be some sort of like emo, right.

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Speaker 2: I guess I could also see like trance or drone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it too. Youre better at that than me,

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Speaker 1: I should ask you.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. That's not true, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Well. I feel like we each have our part. I

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Speaker 2: All right, well let's move on, we'll both take the

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, should we cover some of the history,

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Speaker 2: What was really surprising to me is that that bomb

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Speaker 2: ways they did that was through bombing campaigns. So essentially,

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Speaker 2: as you'll see, like you said, the pendulum of development

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Speaker 2: at the time, dynamite, which is a stable form of

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Speaker 2: kind of pendulum of development you were mentioning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so dynamite comes along. It's a big sort of

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Speaker 1: named Vivian durang Majindi. What was the Finnian Dynamite campaign

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when you think of bomb disposal, we

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Speaker 2: There's also like finding bombs, there's identifying the kind of

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Speaker 2: he was celebrated for that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. He was the first head of the explosives

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Speaker 1: basically any kind of explosive activity, like literally explosive activity, right,

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is going on in the third or

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Speaker 1: I can see Reddit now, my friend, what's up with

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Speaker 1: Josh doing Italian names? Now after sixteen years?

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Speaker 2: Right, you can take it?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no. Which you don't do is go

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Speaker 2: So take it. I think you can under the right circumstances.

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Speaker 2: And the circumstances are these do that Italian accent as

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Speaker 2: Christopher Walkin doing Sammy Davis Junior doing the Italian accent.

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Speaker 1: My brain just broke all right, So we're in nineteen

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Speaker 1: Threw that and in there it's just sort of strange.

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Speaker 2: Abs are made in the kitchen was their slogan.

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Speaker 1: So they uncovered a plot to blow up Saint Patrick's

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Speaker 1: New York City. They basically let this thing go off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, during mass. Yeah, they they went ahead and let

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Speaker 2: the bombers light the fuse.

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Speaker 2: you said, like, it's still pretty much standard around the

437
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: world today.

438
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, they're not very effective for car bombs obviously,

439
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: so more and more car bombs started to be used.

440
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: Like again, once something is sort of figured out and

441
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: you figure out a better way to defeat it, the

442
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: enemy morphs, and so car bombs became sort of and

443
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: are still just a big problem worldwide because car bombs

444
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 1: are mobile obviously, and they're huge, Like you can have

445
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: a two hundred to three hundred pound bomb hidden in

446
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: a that's not very big without even seeing it. So

447
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: of course they had to develop even newer technology and

448
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: we all knew it was going to go this way.

449
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: But eventually robots would come onto the scene.

450
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm impressed you didn't say robots. Thanks.

451
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: That's Hodgman Steele.

452
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, one of the technologies that came out of

453
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: that is the early prototypes or proto robots used today

454
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: were called wheelbarrows. I think the first one was made

455
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: out of a lawnmower motor and essentially you could put

456
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: say something like a pigstick and then maybe a video

457
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: camera on there and go approach a car, and some

458
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: of the ones that came later you could use this

459
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: robot to hook toe ropes up to move the car

460
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Speaker 2: out of the area to someplace safer to blow it up.

461
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: And I think something like four hundred wheelbarrows were destroyed

462
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: just between nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy eight, now,

463
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: which gives you an idea. That's six years. That's just

464
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: the ones that were destroyed. That's how many bombs were

465
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: laid around Northern Ireland, but also in Europe and England

466
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: to somewhat lesser extent during that period, during the Troubles

467
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: which ran all the way to ninety eight, I think

468
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: there was a lot of bombs going off around there

469
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: at the time. So the more bombs there were, the

470
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: more quickly they had to develop these techniques to counter

471
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: bomb measures too. That's what was going on. It was

472
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: just a huge laboratory and pressure cooker at the same time.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair, I think the purpose mostly for

474
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Speaker 1: the wheelbarrow was to blow it up, So I don't

475
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: think there were a ton of wheelbarrows that made it

476
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Speaker 1: out alive, you know.

477
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, all right, Still four hundred there is a

478
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: lot of bombs in six years.

479
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: Oh totally. There was a well, I guess we should

480
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: just sort of give the general breakdown of how this

481
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: might work back then, and it's not too dissimilar from

482
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: how it works now. But you would initially, you know,

483
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: get the call that there's a suspected device to this,

484
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: this team or the specialists, they would the first thing

485
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: they do is clear the area. They try to get people,

486
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, they figure out what they think might be

487
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: the blast zone, get as many people as far away

488
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: from that area as possible, and then you get that

489
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: robot out. If the robot can't do the job, then

490
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: you have to get a person in a bomb suit

491
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: in there. We'll talk about bomb suits a little bit

492
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: more later. And then they go in and they explode

493
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: this thing if it's real.

494
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's another thing. Kyle found this BBC documentary

495
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: on the bomb squads working in Northern Ireland at the

496
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: time from nineteen seventy four and everything has a real

497
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: clockwork orange look to it still, but they find a hoax.

498
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: But at the end of it they're working on like

499
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: a real live bomb and they just have the audio

500
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: of the guy who you know, is now inside this

501
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: building trying to figure out what kind of bomb they're

502
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: dealing with, and you just hear his breath and it

503
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: just gets like more and more quickened and like like

504
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: it sounds not quite like he's going to hyperventilate, but

505
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: he's breathing way harder than the normal average person does.

506
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: And it's really just kind of stirring at the end there,

507
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: Especially for a fifty year old hour long BBC documentary.

508
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: You should see the hurt Locker then. Okay, that that

509
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: turns you on.

510
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it turned me on, it is

511
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: the right way to put it, but yees I definitely

512
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: noticed it.

513
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an anxiety inducing film for sure. It's very

514
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: very tense as you would imagine.

515
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll check it out.

516
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Sure you don't have to, man.

517
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: I mean, are you one of the financiers of the.

518
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Movie or you know, just suggesting very related to this topic,

519
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: you know?

520
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: Sure?

521
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: So IEDs again, we did a full episode on these

522
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: about eleven years ago, so we don't need to really

523
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: go through what all those are. But they are improvised

524
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: explosive devices. And the scary thing about IEDs, like this

525
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: is what you had in the boss of marathon bombing

526
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: is is like it could be almost anything, like a

527
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: pressure cooker, a pipe bomb, could be you know, something

528
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: just sitting in a backpack on the corner. So those

529
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: are that's you know, incredibly frightening to face that kind

530
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: of reality.

531
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, so that's something that say, like a

532
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: public safety bomb disposal tech would be more likely to

533
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: deal with, rather than say like a military grade bomb

534
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: being left somewhere. That would probably be more like a

535
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: military person that was dealing with that. But I also

536
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: saw one other thing that people in public safety have

537
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: to deal with are illegal fireworks. I didn't even know

538
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: there was such a thing as illegal fireworks.

539
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Did you You mean, like the firework itself is illegal

540
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: in a legal state.

541
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: I think the impression is that they're homemade, okay, or

542
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: they're so powerful that they're not legal.

543
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. I think as a kid,

544
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: we all heard rumors of like in one hundreds and

545
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: in one twenties, it probably didn't even.

546
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: Exist, right, A black cat. The size of your forearm.

547
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: Also on those IEDs, especially in the case of Boston

548
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that video we saw. You know, one thing you don't

549
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: think about is when you find out that there is

550
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: like a bomb, you know, or a tip that there's

551
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: a bomb somewhere, and you clear out an area, like

552
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things can look like a bomb at

553
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: that point, because he was like, you know, people drop

554
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: their backpack, they get out of there there, you know,

555
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's a lot of things laying around,

556
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: or it could be like the mailbox, you know, so

557
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: they have to check out like everything.

558
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I noted that too. That was pretty interesting. Another

559
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: thing that they'll do is they'll pre sweep areas, say

560
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: like there's a political rally or something like that, you

561
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: can pretty much bet that there's a bomb squad that

562
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: moved through the area already and swept it for bombs. Also,

563
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: one of the other big jobs that they have, Chuck,

564
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: is they will identify like evidence of bombs. They'll help

565
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: people gather evidence. They'll be like, that's a part of

566
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: a bomb, that's part of bomb. And the more that

567
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: they can collect, the more information they can take back

568
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: to the lab and figure out about the bomb, the

569
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: bomb maker, the country that it came from. And the

570
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: more they can do that, the more they can learn

571
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: to counter them as well.

572
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you know I mentioned that in the seventies,

573
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of the protocol of how you would go about

574
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: this on the scene basically being the same today. Like

575
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: some of the only differences today is like they have

576
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: X rays now, so yeah, you know, just like in

577
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: the doctor's office, they'll go and put a plate behind

578
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: the bomb and take an X ray of it. And

579
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: that has been a real game changer in being able

580
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: to look inside this thing safely and see what's going on.

581
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

582
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: And the other thing too that the guy in the

583
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: video really wanted to drive home is they want to

584
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: spend as less as little time around that bomb as possible.

585
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: So like if you're going in, you don't want to

586
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: go in with a couple of things and be like, oh,

587
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: let me go back and get this now and try this.

588
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Like they want to go in there one time and

589
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: have everything at their disposal on hand to assess and

590
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: evaluate and decide how they're going to disrupt this thing.

591
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as it stands, because you almost exclusively across

592
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: the board, every bomb disposal unit's going to take an

593
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: X ray first, you have to put a person in

594
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: danger at least at some point. Ideally after they take

595
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: the X ray, they get the heck out of there,

596
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: and then they never go back again. It's the robot

597
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: that's sent in, the wheelbearer or whatever to handle the

598
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: whole thing with, say like some sort of disruptor, like

599
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: a pigstick or something. Right, But if, like you said,

600
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: the robot can't get to it, it's up the stairs,

601
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: it's over some weird debris, it's just in a place

602
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: where the robot can't get to it, that person's going

603
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: to have to go back in and deal with this directly.

604
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like this is frightening when you think about,

605
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: like you have to go in to get that X ray.

606
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: And two out of the three methods for a bomb

607
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: potentially going off are threats to you at that moment.

608
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: If it's a time bomb and you have some bad

609
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: luck with your timing, you could be exploded. If it's

610
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: a remote controlled bomb, you could very easily be exploded.

611
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: The only one that you're I guess, relatively safe from

612
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: if you're doing your job really, really carefully, is victim

613
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: initiated or like a booby trap or something. So you

614
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna want to disturb it. Basically, you're

615
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna want to be really really careful when you're laying

616
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: when you're doing that X ray.

617
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. All right, Chuck, I say we come

618
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: back and we talk about some of the technology that

619
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: these very brave people are using when they do this crazy,

620
00:33:46,840 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. Let's do it, all right, man. So, as

621
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: we promised, we're going to talk about some of the

622
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: technology that bomb disposal technicians use. We already talked about

623
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: the robot and we mentioned the bomb suit a little bit,

624
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: but I think you can go into it a little

625
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: more because they're fairly complex.

626
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and uncomfortable. There are variations. You know, they'll

627
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: gauge what kind of level of suit you need, like

628
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: lighter versus heavier. But if you've got on the full

629
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: heaviest kevlar plated collar, protected, helmet visor wearing suit, it

630
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: is clunky. You do have use of your Fingi's so like,

631
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you're a one of these

632
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: kind of specialists, one thing you're going to have to

633
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: really consider is that you may at some point be

634
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: living your life without or hands right at the very least.

635
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: But they are fairly effective. I mean they're pretty clunky,

636
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: but like the heat is the biggest problem, especially you know,

637
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you're disrupting a bomb, let's say in

638
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the Middle East in the middle of summer or something

639
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: like that, they don't last long in those So the

640
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: very latest technology has actual cooling units. They all used

641
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: to have fans, but now they have actually coolant that

642
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: says they can withstand like any amount of heat for

643
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: an hour.

644
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

645
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think they want to be in there

646
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: for more than an hour anyway, So hopefully that's helped

647
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: a lot.

648
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing that I saw that a lot of

649
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: them don't have, though, is like communication equipment, because you

650
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: usually use radio and you can accidentally set off a

651
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: bomb that's radio controlled, so they often don't have any

652
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: sort of calm equipment in there. I also saw, and

653
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: I don't know this is not from a legitimate source

654
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: or vetted source. How about that it's either on Core

655
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: or Reddit. No offense to either of those sites, but

656
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: where somebody who presented themselves as a bomb technician essentially

657
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: said if you're yes, if you're dealing with a pipe bomb,

658
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: maybe illegal fireworks something like that, you're probably gonna wear

659
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: a bomb suit if you have to diffuse it yourself.

660
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: Not a robot, but at bomb bomb, you probably aren't

661
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: going to go to the trouble of wearing a suit

662
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: because that bomb will kill you if it goes off,

663
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: whether you're wearing a suit or not. And those suits

664
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: are definitely made to protect your against shrapnel. Projectiles. A

665
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: lot of them are literally bulletproof because they're they're so

666
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: tough and made of such thick kevlar and ceramic plates

667
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: and all that. But the overblast, the shockwave that's produced

668
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: is what can It can give you crushing injuries just

669
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: from hitting you that hard if you're very close to

670
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: a blast radius. So putting all that together, I couldn't help.

671
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: But wonder if they were if they were correct, or

672
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: if they were just talking jive.

673
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, there is something called blast long. It's very common injury,

674
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: and it's basically, you know, like you said, getting just

675
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: smashed in the chest with an invisible, you know, wrecking ball.

676
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: So it's an internal injury. But that's one of the

677
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: most common and those suits, you know, they obviously stop

678
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: projectiles and stuff, but they also decreased that blast wave impact.

679
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: It's you know, they're made to do that. So I

680
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: would be surprised if the just sort of the rules

681
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: around it were like, yeah, he's just not gonna wear

682
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: it today.

683
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: That was my take too, It's like, are you are

684
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: you really allowed to just say that yourself. But also

685
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're in such short supply that it's

686
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: like do whatever you want. Man, Like, just hats off

687
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: to you for even trying this. They're expensive, Yeah, they're

688
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: like thirty five grand, but I stopped and thought about it.

689
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: That's because probably it's local and federal governments buying them,

690
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: so I'm sure they're marked.

691
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Up, you know, yeah, you probably make one of those

692
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: for a couple hundred bucks.

693
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: I bet sure. I also saw some of them have

694
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: spinal protection, so that if you're blown back by the

695
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: blast wind, the actual wind that's pushed out from the blast,

696
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: and you land on your spine, you're not automatically going

697
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: to get a spinal injury.

698
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's cool, because that guy in the video

699
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of indicated that the back was the least protected.

700
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: I saw that. But this is on a site for

701
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: a manufacture of actual blast suits bombs.

702
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: Did you ever think they're just trying to sell you suit? Josh,

703
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, naive.

704
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little kind of hokey. It looked

705
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: like it was like a drawing of a tuxedo on

706
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: the front of it.

707
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the other, you know, piece of technology we

708
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about is the it was called

709
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: the disruptor. Those pigsticks or disruptors. There are all kinds

710
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: of disruptors, from things that use you know, sound to water,

711
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: that that bottler thing. You know, I tried to understand

712
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: what he was talking about in that video, but I

713
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: was a little little confused.

714
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: So essentially, which one the bottler? Yeah, so it's the

715
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: same thing as the others, except the pig stick and

716
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: the other one that shoots everything in like a v wedge.

717
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: It's it's not it's not like a hyper located on

718
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: a certain area. Okay, it blows out in a circle.

719
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: It's multidirectional. Again, the same key is it's spreading water

720
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: and it blows up so fast that it can disable

721
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: the trigger before it can fire. All. It's that's what

722
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: disruptors do essentially.

723
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, there's also you know, they're they're bomb carriers

724
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: that just sit on the back of a pickup truck.

725
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, they're bolted to a pickup truck or pumby

726
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: or whatever.

727
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: Or a cyber truck.

728
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, I saw one in the wild the

729
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: other day for the first time.

730
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what'd you think. I was just like, it's

731
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: just the.

732
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Dumbest looking thing to drive around in that I've ever

733
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: seen in my life. That's what I thought.

734
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I get that a lot of people do.

735
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: There's a subreddit called cyber stuck, and the whole thing

736
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: is just totally dedicated to making fun of people who

737
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: drive cyber trucks and all of the woes that they

738
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: have from driving a cyber truck.

739
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty finny if you've got one.

740
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: You know.

741
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to yuck or you. Everyone has different tastes,

742
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: but let's just say it's not my taste.

743
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

744
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was well aesthetically. So these bomb carriers,

745
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, it's kind of just a big, like,

746
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, heavy chamber to put a bomb in to

747
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: carry it somewhere else.

748
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: Yes, And like I think they can. I've seen that

749
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: some of them can hold up to ten kilograms of

750
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: TNT the equivalent of that, right, Yeah, so like you

751
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: could blow up you could put twenty something pounds of

752
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: dynamite in this thing and blow it up, and the

753
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: thing will be like that's all you got. It'll like

754
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: get belched or something like that. It's just amazing that

755
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: we can make something that can can that kind of

756
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: violent force. Yeah, for sure, I'm just impressed by those things.

757
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: One other thing that I saw that it really stuck

758
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: out to me is like you would think that that

759
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: bomb disposal experts are paid like basketball stars and they

760
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 2: are not. Like the average bomb tech makes about fifty

761
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year in the UK or the US.

762
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's wrong.

763
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I just wanted to go on record as

764
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: saying that I support bomb techts being paid through the roof.

765
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's just another example of job

766
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: you do. Does it necessarily equate to money you make?

767
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Right?

768
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: You know, as far as the fairness scale goes, yeap,

769
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: So unexploded ordinances. I keep saying ordinances, ordinance without any right.

770
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to say that right for me. But like

771
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: we said, those are bombs from past wars that have

772
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: not gone off. I think you already mentioned that World

773
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: War Two has a lot of these still scattered across Europe.

774
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: And these are really dangerous because you know, these things

775
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: degrade over time in every way you can imagine, from

776
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: the fuses to the primers to you know, parts resting

777
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: out and stuff like that. So it's you know, it's

778
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: literally sometimes a bomb just waiting to go off, and

779
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: you never know when that might be.

780
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: Right, and this happens, I mean sometimes it goes off

781
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: and kills people, as recently is two thy ten, twenty

782
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: twenty three. I think in that twenty ten incident it

783
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: was in Germany. Three three bomb techs were killed in

784
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: that explosion. Yeah, and again this is World War two ordinance.

785
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Like imagine being a pilot who drops a bomb, it

786
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: doesn't go off, You go home, you return from the war,

787
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: you buy a house in the suburbs, you have a

788
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: pick of fence, a family, you grow old, you die,

789
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: and then thirty years after that, after you're buried, somebody

790
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: comes along and that bomb you drop blows up and

791
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: kills them completely outside the context of war. That happens

792
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: in Europe.

793
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens all over the world.

794
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, that's well put.

795
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Because you know, more recently in the nineteen seventies with

796
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: the wars in Indo China, I think Kyle found the

797
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: stat two million tons of munitions were dropped between sixty

798
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: four and seventy three, and of the two hundred and

799
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: seventy million cluster bombs dropped, thirty percent may have failed

800
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: to detonate. That's over eighty million cluster bombs potentially still

801
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: scattered about that area.

802
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not including all the land mines that

803
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: were purposely laid and not cleared too, man, unbelievable. Yeah,

804
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: and kids get killed by that, the kids in I Rack.

805
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: I saw between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two, five

806
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: hundred and nineteen kids were either killed or injured in

807
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: a rock from unexploded ordinance. And then the United States

808
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: has its own stockpole problems too. I saw that we

809
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: dumped millions of pounds of bombs when when the stockpiles

810
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: got too big they were, and the stuff was getting old,

811
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: they just dumped it off the coast in the east

812
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: and the west.

813
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: That's just how can that be allowed?

814
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: It was, well, it was stopped being allowed in nineteen seventy.

815
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: But it's not like they went back and got every

816
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: fished everything out, which is funny because it does get

817
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: fished out once in a while in a fishing net

818
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: and apparently Lake Erie had Camp Perry, which was a

819
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: proving ground from munitions, and just like in war when

820
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: you're shooting off a bunch of munitions to test them,

821
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: some of them aren't going to aren't going to blow up,

822
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: right then, So apparently Lake Erie is littered with unexploded

823
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: ordnance as well.

824
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: That we talked about. When wasn't it a nuclear bomb

825
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: off the coast of Savannah, right?

826
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? From I think the early fifties, didn't it.

827
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: Did they find that thing recently? Yeah?

828
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: I think they did, and they were like, it's too

829
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: it's too dangerous to move. We're just gonna cross our

830
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: fingers if I'm not mistaken.

831
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't remember because I feel like we got

832
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: email because we talked about that a long time ago.

833
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made the they made the call that it's

834
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: really just Tybee Island that's in danger in there, like

835
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: Tybee Island.

836
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: That's so mean.

837
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: Okay, since I just made fun of Tybee Allen, I'm

838
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: just kidding Tybee. Uh, it's time for listener mail. I say, you.

839
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: Know who loves Tybee jas Jerry does.

840
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: She's a Tybee person and she's.

841
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: Not here today, so she'll hear this when she uh,

842
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: or maybe she won't, who.

843
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: Knows, No, she'll be doing something else.

844
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: All right, So you said listener mail, right, Yeah I did.

845
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this. I have to do it. Friend.

846
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I have to do this Minecraft correction.

847
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because the emails. And this is one where

848
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: I just tried and tried and tried to tell you

849
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: that that wasn't right, and you stuck to your guns.

850
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Hey sure, Hey, guys, been listening for her almost as

851
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: long as I played Minecraft a little over a decade.

852
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Josh repeated the point that there is one seed per

853
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: game copy, but Minecraft has more to offer than you think.

854
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: You can make as many worlds as you want concurrently,

855
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: and even pick your seed. It's gotten so popular that

856
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: entire websites are dedicated to seed sharing. That sounds gross.

857
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: If someone finds an interesting seed with something like an

858
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: island inside a volcano close to your spawn point, they

859
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: will often share the random string of characters that produce

860
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: that seed so others can generate that same world. There

861
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: was also a sarcastic comment made about kids learning that

862
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: the ancient ones built underwater cities. I don't think it

863
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: was sarcastic. I think it was clever quip.

864
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: Probably sarcastic. It's sardonic. It was sardonic.

865
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: Okay, but this is actually true, guys. Tons of ancient

866
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: settlements in real life are currently under the water because

867
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: the coastline changes over time, we tend to build near

868
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: bodies of water.

869
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely true on both counts. Thank you and for day

870
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: that is Nathan, Nathan, that was great. That's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to us about as long as you've

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Speaker 2: been playing mine. That is high praise as we take it.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for so gently correcting me even though

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Speaker 2: I got it so wrong long.

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Speaker 1: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: If you want to be like Nathan and gently correct us,

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Speaker 2: we're always up for that. You can send it via

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Speaker 2: email to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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