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Speaker 3: want to get his thoughts on Amazon taking Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 3: I know he was a proponent of Amazon getting it,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but Netflix. What he thinks about Netflix getting it?
Speaker 3: He was a proponent of Amazon getting it the last
Speaker 3: time we talked on the show. We'll get his thoughts
Speaker 3: on that. We have the lineup for Dark Side of
Speaker 3: the Ring, making it a return to Vice TV. We
Speaker 3: actually have a ten show lineup. We'll get to some
Speaker 3: of the names that are on the docket for this year.
Speaker 3: We have John Cena announcing that he would love to
Speaker 3: wrestle his final WWE match in England. And we have
Speaker 3: Kazuchko Okada leaving New Japan Pro Wrestling without putting over
Speaker 3: somebody from this generation. Got a ton of other stuff
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Speaker 3: Tom Lawler, how are you, sir?
Speaker 7: I am doing good. What a overload of information there, Mike,
Speaker 7: much like there is NonStop in the world of professional wrestling.
Speaker 7: You mentioned Dynamite tonight. You mentioned NXT last night, which
Speaker 7: I did watch the Hulu version. I snuck it in there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: The final match of Kazuchka Okada and Corrican Hall a
Speaker 7: very emotional time in front of the fans and backstage
Speaker 7: for the New Japan wrestlers.
Speaker 3: The It was emotional for me hoping that he would
Speaker 3: put Fajeta over on the way out. I'll say that
Speaker 3: I knew he wouldn't, but.
Speaker 7: Come on, I cannot believe. I cannot believe anyone thought
Speaker 7: still that Okada was going to lose to Mikey Nichols,
Speaker 7: Shane Haste or Fujiita. Hey, listen, Fujina. Fujina is zero
Speaker 7: and two against me. Do you think he's beating Okata.
Speaker 3: Look to me, it's the explanation, exclamation point on the
Speaker 3: bad year that they had booking Kazuo Okada and how
Speaker 3: he did not put anyone over, whether their name was
Speaker 3: Kato Kiemia or whether it was Shooter, or whether it
Speaker 3: was Suji or anybody not even in a tag team encounter.
Speaker 3: So I knew he wasn't going to put Fajita over,
Speaker 3: but it was, you know, the hope and maybe the slight,
Speaker 3: you know, possibility that he slips on a banana peel.
Speaker 3: But I guess his l is going to have to
Speaker 3: come at the hands of Hiroshi Tanahashi, or does it?
Speaker 3: Does he lose to ton of Hashi, Does he lose
Speaker 3: to Ace President before he departs for North America?
Speaker 7: I think he wins?
Speaker 3: Really really? Is that not then really getting into some
Speaker 3: sort of malpractice if you're the new president of New
Speaker 3: Japan and the company itself and Gato the booker who
Speaker 3: has got enough going against him, frankly in my opinion, but.
Speaker 7: I believe that's not his final match.
Speaker 3: It's still does he lose to Tanahashi? He doesn't lose
Speaker 3: to Tanahashi, I.
Speaker 7: Don't think so, Oh my god. But I'm quite often wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, he is going to show up, but they have
Speaker 3: the ceremony dates or they have something going on at
Speaker 3: the end of February, right the twenty second, the twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: I think he said he's he's going to be making shows.
Speaker 3: I believe those days, am I? Am I crazy about that?
Speaker 3: Did I?
Speaker 7: I believe that's true. There's also been announced a new
Speaker 7: girlas of Destiny versus Old Gorillas of Destiny matchup with
Speaker 7: LP and Hiccoleo taking on Toma Tonga and Tonga Loa.
Speaker 7: It's another interesting match.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: Are we going to see Tamatonga as a good brother?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, that's probably the best slot for him,
Speaker 7: I would imagine, both for him and for all the
Speaker 7: people involved, you know what I mean. He's still got
Speaker 7: plenty left in the.
Speaker 3: Tank, absolutely, and it's brand new for people here. I
Speaker 3: mean he really is when he gets right down to it,
Speaker 3: especially to that fan base. He's brand new.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And there was no one that had aj Styles
Speaker 7: back despite what the club said, unless we find out
Speaker 7: that they were beat up and left laying by the
Speaker 7: blood line once again. Backstage, nobody came to aj Styles
Speaker 7: aid on SmackDown as two plus million people worldwide.
Speaker 3: So he's the Ridge Holland of SmackDown. He's got to
Speaker 3: do it all himself. You saw NXT last night, you
Speaker 3: know that reference Ridge Holland all alone facing Gallus by himself.
Speaker 7: You know what didn't make Earth? What did not make
Speaker 7: the Hulu version?
Speaker 3: What's that.
Speaker 7: Ridge Holland and Gallas.
Speaker 3: Well, there was no match or anything like that, but
Speaker 3: there was a a promo that he cut backstage with
Speaker 3: Kelly Kincaid where he talked about facing Gallas. He had
Speaker 3: his cup of coffee in his hand and he talked
Speaker 3: about facing Gallas all on his own, and he walks
Speaker 3: off and then she sat there shocked. So maybe that
Speaker 3: Ridge can hook up with AJ at some point. And
Speaker 3: you know, it would be better for AJ if they
Speaker 3: were partners, because then the risk of him getting hurt
Speaker 3: would go down. But up, Thank you, thank you, filthy,
Speaker 3: You're very welcome. All right. Dark Side of the Ring
Speaker 3: officially making its return to Vice TV in March. This
Speaker 3: story up on the main page of the website. Was
Speaker 3: announced today that season five of Dark Side of the
Speaker 3: Ring will premiere on Tuesday, March fifth, ten pm Eastern Time.
Speaker 3: Ten episodes in the season, The topics that will be
Speaker 3: covered Gentleman Chris Adams, sensational Sherry Martell, Bam Bam, Terry Gordy,
Speaker 3: Black Saturday, Vince McMahon's purchase of Georgia Cha being Chip
Speaker 3: Wrestling in nineteen eighty four leading to WWF getting the
Speaker 3: six ZHO five Saturday night time slot. Chris Colt, which
Speaker 3: is something, the Sandman, Earthquake, Harley Race, Buff Bagwell and Brutus, Beefcake,
Speaker 3: Filthy and maybe time that we get the third member
Speaker 3: of Team Filthy, Greg the Hammer Valentine on to talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about Beefcake and he can talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about Beefcake's wife, which I've heard they don't
Speaker 3: like each other very much, but that bay be a
Speaker 3: story for a different time. What do you think about
Speaker 3: this line up here? And there are some names that
Speaker 3: are from my generation growing up, like Chris Adams and
Speaker 3: Black Saturday and you know some things like that, you
Speaker 3: know you're a little younger, Do those names stick out
Speaker 3: to you? Do those stories about have they traveled through time?
Speaker 3: About how crazy Chris Adams was?
Speaker 7: Brother? What you read that list off? All I could
Speaker 7: think to myself was we or scrape in the bottom
Speaker 7: of the barrel. Here is what we have left for
Speaker 7: Dark Side of the Ring. I want to hear some scandals.
Speaker 7: I want to hear about some nefarious doings by unscrupulous characters.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna hear that.
Speaker 7: I don't think this is at the level of anything
Speaker 7: that we've seen in the past seasons.
Speaker 3: The Erics, well, yeah, yeah, the Von Erics. I mean
Speaker 3: we've had some We've had some heavy stuff. We've had
Speaker 3: New Jack, We've had you know, the the bizarreity that
Speaker 3: was the life of of Eddie Graham and Matt Bourne.
Speaker 7: We had from h Double hockey Sticks.
Speaker 3: We had Marty Jannetti, we had you know, we had
Speaker 3: we had that one. Look, Chris Adams is a story
Speaker 3: that I think, you know, coming off the Von Erics movie.
Speaker 3: Now maybe the time I'm to actually lead off with
Speaker 3: that one, because he was a world class story and
Speaker 3: yes he was in many other territories, but he has
Speaker 3: got some of the nastiest stuff, including a prison stint
Speaker 3: he had to do for headbutting a co pilot I
Speaker 3: believe it was of a plane that ended up getting
Speaker 3: him arrested, and a notorious drinker and drugger Chris Adams was,
Speaker 3: so I have a feeling that that is going to
Speaker 3: be quite the interesting story when it comes to him.
Speaker 3: Terry Gordy Again, that's an interesting story I think as
Speaker 3: well too. That again, when you look at the name
Speaker 3: dark Side of the Ring, there was a dark side
Speaker 3: over Terry Gordy.
Speaker 7: Where's a story about Ricky Dozan? Well, you know, there's
Speaker 7: plenty of things that they could talk about, and instead,
Speaker 7: just like just like us, there's scrape at the bottom
Speaker 7: of the barrel.
Speaker 3: They are, they are, and you are the Chris Cult
Speaker 3: of the show. Dothy Don Waller. We'll be back. Rustum's
Speaker 3: over live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Throwing things around over here, Mike semper Viv Filthy Tom
Speaker 3: Lawler here with your Wrestling Observer Live. I just look
Speaker 3: down at the chat here, the Twitch chat, people talking
Speaker 3: about what would be better stories, what are going to
Speaker 3: be good stories? DJ Cowboy Chris Adams has a darker
Speaker 3: story than you might suspect. Yes, he does. Everybody. That
Speaker 3: is going to be a very very dark story. That
Speaker 3: is for absolutely sure. You know, Ashley Massaro, you know,
Speaker 3: that is probably one that I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: it's if people are willing to talk about that one.
Speaker 3: You know, that's one that obviously, with the name Dark
Speaker 3: Side of the Ring did not end very well. Art
Speaker 3: Bar would be very interesting as well too. You know,
Speaker 3: Art Barr is one of those guys that I'm always surprised,
Speaker 3: and I get it because he was such a star
Speaker 3: in Mexico and he was Eddie Guerrero's friend. But I'm
Speaker 3: surprised he his past and some of his past transgressions
Speaker 3: get you know, kind of dusted under and we celebrate
Speaker 3: Art Bar a lot more. Hey, look, Dom's wearing his
Speaker 3: shirt and all that sort of stuff. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I was always kind of shaky with him, but he
Speaker 3: probably would make a pretty good one too. Tom. I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, for you what are some ones
Speaker 3: that really stick out and you go, you know, they
Speaker 3: probably should do this as opposed to Harley Race or
Speaker 3: Buff Bagwell or Brutus Beefcake.
Speaker 7: You know, we were talking during the break, as we
Speaker 7: sometimes do, and I know that they did a history
Speaker 7: of FMW, but you know, kind of in the same
Speaker 7: vein as one along the lines of Ricky Doz and
Speaker 7: I think you could have one about Hayabusa. You could
Speaker 7: have one about and this also stems from FMW in
Speaker 7: a way. You could have Shinya Hashimoto stealing for Yuki's
Speaker 7: wife after his funeral. There's a number of things the
Speaker 7: Noah Exodus, of course, which had major ramifications business wise
Speaker 7: and personal wise for a lot of wrestlers.
Speaker 3: R F running away from Perverted Justice, still running shows
Speaker 3: here he is people still uh doing signings for him
Speaker 3: and whatnot. Oh, it's just you know, not to say anything,
Speaker 3: just pointing that out, but uh, you know, plenty of
Speaker 3: things could end up on Dark Side of the Ring.
Speaker 3: We should problem.
Speaker 7: You and I could end up on there one day, Mike,
Speaker 7: if we play our cards correctly.
Speaker 3: And we get Brian thrown under the bus, I guess
Speaker 3: we possibly could be on there. They could come to
Speaker 3: us and talk about that. Look, you have the right
Speaker 3: idea of why have they not done dark Side of MMA?
Speaker 3: They did a deal about the UFC, did they not
Speaker 3: about in the nineties? Dark Side Vice of the nineties?
Speaker 3: Dark Side of the nineties? They did something? I mean,
Speaker 3: if you think about it, I mean, MMA, there are
Speaker 3: so many stories Tom that we just we know because
Speaker 3: we've been around for so long, in fans for so
Speaker 3: long and around it. You know, that took place in
Speaker 3: the nineties that people today have no idea about. And
Speaker 3: there are just so many stories from the nineties and
Speaker 3: before that nobody really knows about. I mean, it sounds
Speaker 3: terrible to say, but much like boxing, I mean, MMA
Speaker 3: is a pretty ripe world to have a dark side
Speaker 3: series about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, any sport in which one competitor, Gary Goodrich,
Speaker 7: perhaps as one of by twisting another man's genitals with
Speaker 7: his foot back in the nineties, I think any sport
Speaker 7: that contains a finish like that deserves to have a
Speaker 7: dark side series about it.
Speaker 3: And we said it felt like crunchy peanut butter, do
Speaker 3: you remember that? That's what he said. That's what Gary
Speaker 3: Goodrich said. And the thing is, and this is gonna
Speaker 3: sound terrible, I don't know if Gary Goodwich would remember
Speaker 3: saying that, and because he's had so much damage. And
Speaker 3: that's another thing about that series that you could do
Speaker 3: with so many of those guys from that Pride era,
Speaker 3: which in some ways was spectacular, but my god, the
Speaker 3: amount of punishment these men took and how they went
Speaker 3: into fights, yeah, when they absolutely should not have.
Speaker 7: And we talked about just names during the break as well,
Speaker 7: like Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr, Phil Baroni, Unfortunately Randman, Kevin Randleman,
Speaker 7: Stephan Bonner. There's a number of guys and there's a
Speaker 7: number of incidents as well. Lee Murray, the most notorious
Speaker 7: perhaps criminal in the history of the world, was a
Speaker 7: UFC fighter. There's a number of incidents, a number of characters.
Speaker 3: Well, the Hickson Gracie Yogi Ajo's story is not you know,
Speaker 3: is only really known for if you've really been following MMA.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people may not know that
Speaker 3: story anymore. And really, I mean Hickson Gracie alone as
Speaker 3: a as a figure for a story could be very interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for those of you that don't know what Mike's
Speaker 7: talking about, yog and Joe, who was a UWF wrestler,
Speaker 7: flew over to the US to do a dojo challenge.
Speaker 7: He went to Hickson's dojo and wanted to fight him,
Speaker 7: and they fought behind closed doors and the only photographs
Speaker 7: after the event are of yog and Joe just absolutely
Speaker 7: destroyed beating up looks like a member of the Goonies
Speaker 7: instead of his normal self.
Speaker 3: Baby Ruth. Oh, it's terrible, absolutely terrible. Mister two hundred
Speaker 3: Yogian Joe was never the same again after that, that
Speaker 3: is for sure. I mean, hey, look, Akure ma Ada,
Speaker 3: could you do one show on him? I mean one
Speaker 3: show was enough for the American fan base. I mean
Speaker 3: you gotta ease him in slowly. But I mean, if
Speaker 3: this was a Japanese series, you might be able to
Speaker 3: do six parks on Maida, couldn't you.
Speaker 7: CML versus Deep.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Alberto del Rio Das Carras Junior fighting with
Speaker 3: a mask on in Pride against Marco crow Cop. You
Speaker 3: know that's something that again, you know, unless you were
Speaker 3: around in the what was it the two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: two thousand and six, I guess that fight took place.
Speaker 3: I can't even remember anymore, but that seems like it's
Speaker 3: lost in time now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one of the early Pride bushetos if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: Hey, super Porky at in Mma fight?
Speaker 7: Sure did El Solar fought Suzuki? Yeah, there were a
Speaker 7: number of Lutradors and we didn't even touch upon the
Speaker 7: Mexican scene. When we were talking about what could be
Speaker 7: on Dark Side of the Ring. So yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't think that the series it self needs to be
Speaker 7: put to rest, but I think they could have done
Speaker 7: a better job this season or choosing subjects.
Speaker 3: Be interesting to see how all of it plays out,
Speaker 3: and that is going to begin on March fifth, Tuesday,
Speaker 3: March fifth for people who have Vice TV. Unfortunately with
Speaker 3: YouTube TV, of all of the channels that they have,
Speaker 3: Vice is not one of them, So I'll have to
Speaker 3: figure out another way to see those shows.
Speaker 7: Where does Dark Side eventually end up, Mike? Does it
Speaker 7: end up on Peacock? Does it end up on Hulu?
Speaker 7: Does it end up on maybe Netflix? Perhaps maybe somebody
Speaker 7: with all those subscriptions out there can let me know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you find out where that does end up. I
Speaker 3: know it's available for purchase through YouTube after the fact.
Speaker 3: But speaking of all of these streaming services, Tom, the
Speaker 3: last time you were on, we talked about what if
Speaker 3: Raw went to a streaming service, and I expressed my
Speaker 3: concerns over it. I gotta be honest, a lot of
Speaker 3: those concerns, I mean, in all reality go bye by
Speaker 3: because of the amount of money that they're going to
Speaker 3: bring in. I mean If they kill RAW, no big
Speaker 3: deal for the amount of money you got. If you're
Speaker 3: time to do something later, you can do something later.
Speaker 3: But I don't think they're going to kill RAW. And
Speaker 3: it ended up being on Netflix, which is a platform
Speaker 3: that Nick con had talked about wanting to get one
Speaker 3: of the WWE shows onto, and he has done that.
Speaker 3: Now it looks like it's going to be a much
Speaker 3: broader deal than just RAW. Obviously globally, it's going to
Speaker 3: encompass all of the shows and premium live events at
Speaker 3: some point. But you had talked about preferring Amazon as
Speaker 3: a landing spot for Raw. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 3: them actually moving to streaming? Going to Amazon and we're
Speaker 3: going to Netflix, And are you disappointed about that?
Speaker 7: I wouldn't said disappointed, but I thought that with the
Speaker 7: success that Amazon had seen with the NFL and having
Speaker 7: live programming on there, that they would have, you know,
Speaker 7: been the front runner. And I'm not the only one
Speaker 7: that thought that. I was surprised when I woke up
Speaker 7: and I saw that Netflix was the eventual landing space.
Speaker 7: But like you mentioned, Mike, even if they kill RAW
Speaker 7: by moving it to Netflix, they're making so much money
Speaker 7: and by moving NXT to the CW network, They've opened
Speaker 7: themselves up to a completely new audience that perhaps they
Speaker 7: wouldn't have otherwise. So I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 7: idea to take this risk, if you can call it that.
Speaker 7: You know, one of the biggest things that I'm in
Speaker 7: true by now is the UFC has a right steal
Speaker 7: that will be up somewhat soon. And is this a
Speaker 7: glimpse into the future of what the UFC will do?
Speaker 7: Will they divest their shows like they did in the past,
Speaker 7: Where we'd have UFC on Fuel, you'd have programming on Spike,
Speaker 7: they'd show up on Fox. I believe every once in
Speaker 7: a while. Are we gonna move back to something along
Speaker 7: those lines? ESPN now has the co leader I guess
Speaker 7: in mixed martial arts, the PFL and Bellator Union at
Speaker 7: least on their programming networks. So do we see the
Speaker 7: UFC move away from ESPN? Do we see the UFC
Speaker 7: stay on ESPN and also add or move some of
Speaker 7: their programming to other networks? You know, the Netflix stock
Speaker 7: went way up today. Are other company's gonna see that
Speaker 7: and say, hey, we want a piece of this programming?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really there's still some there. Again, it's
Speaker 3: fascinating for so many reasons that obviously don't have anything
Speaker 3: to do with inside the ring, which drives people nuts.
Speaker 3: But I'm really interested in that aspect of it and
Speaker 3: what happens with the WWE network, because we're going to have,
Speaker 3: as it stands right now, at the end of the year,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a lame duck spot for raw and
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show, Mike semperviv Filthy, Tom Lawler
Speaker 3: here with you Wrestling Observer Live. Big boss Man Brian
Speaker 3: Alvarez will be back on the show tomorrow. We will
Speaker 3: be joined by Lance Storm tomorrow. We'll be making the
Speaker 3: hot tag from Filthy. Will be here tomorrow, unless Brian's
Speaker 3: not here again tomorrow and we get another late text,
Speaker 3: but we'll see how that goes tom Before the break,
Speaker 3: I was talking about just being very enthralled with this
Speaker 3: deal and what the possibilities could be for the WWE network,
Speaker 3: which is going Their deal with Peacock is up in
Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty six, which means they're going to
Speaker 3: be doing a lot of negotiations one would assume this
Speaker 3: year and towards the end of the year we know
Speaker 3: what the deal is going to be. When it comes
Speaker 3: to raw having a lame duck period, and I talked
Speaker 3: about it with Brian. To me, the smart idea is
Speaker 3: to put that show in its lane duck form on Peacock,
Speaker 3: because I'm sure Peacock would want the numbers. You know,
Speaker 3: they already have it anyway, they already have another WWE property.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they would want those numbers for two months,
Speaker 3: and I'm nick con I'm sure I want them to
Speaker 3: have those numbers as well too, because I'm still shopping
Speaker 3: during that time my rights and what's going to happen
Speaker 3: with them, And I think with Netflix now being involved
Speaker 3: in this, like you were mentioning, when it comes to ESPN, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's great to have ESPN there for programming and content.
Speaker 3: But one of the biggest advantages that you have is
Speaker 3: you have an incredible library, much like the WWE library,
Speaker 3: and then you also have that little addendum of the
Speaker 3: fact that you can sell pay per views as well too.
Speaker 3: But you know, I wouldn't think I had not thought
Speaker 3: about the UFC before this deal in their library being
Speaker 3: shopped around really to anyone other than Disney ESPN. But
Speaker 3: this really does open the door for that.
Speaker 7: Not only the library, but the UFC Fight Pass still
Speaker 7: exists and still shows a number of regional MMA promotions,
Speaker 7: regional grappling promotions, college wrestling as well. And I don't
Speaker 7: know what the subscription numbers are for UFC Fight Pass,
Speaker 7: but I would hate to see those avenues of you know,
Speaker 7: money go away for these regional promotions. I would hate
Speaker 7: to see less coverage of MMA across the board. So
Speaker 7: I hope that fight Pass doesn't go the way of
Speaker 7: the dinosaur. I hope it doesn't even get swallowed up
Speaker 7: by one of the bigger streaming networks. But you know,
Speaker 7: I'm sure it's not the highest priority on TKO Holding's
Speaker 7: list right now.
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely going to be a priority though, you know,
Speaker 3: as it goes along, because once this NBA deal gets settled,
Speaker 3: we're gonna know how much money everybody has left over,
Speaker 3: because it seems as if WBD really wants it, but
Speaker 3: doesn't want all of it because it's so damn expensive.
Speaker 3: Thing same thing with Disney, ESPN, same thing with other
Speaker 3: people wanting to get their hands in. They all want
Speaker 3: a piece of it, like it's the NFL, but nobody
Speaker 3: can afford to have all of it. So a huge
Speaker 3: amount of money is going to get spent there. And
Speaker 3: obviously that's important when it comes to AW because it
Speaker 3: doesn't seem as though aw's deal is going to get
Speaker 3: done until the NBA's deal finally gets all wrapped up,
Speaker 3: So we'll have to keep our eye on that as
Speaker 3: we keep moving along. AW actually does have a show tonight,
Speaker 3: as we we mentioned earlier on Adam Copeland against Minora
Speaker 3: Suzuki in the Cope Opland Cope Open Challenge. I knew
Speaker 3: it was going to do that. Will not repeat, not
Speaker 3: go picture and picture tonight on Dynamite tomm Are you
Speaker 3: excited about this? Tony Khan has announced it it will
Speaker 3: go commercial free, just like Samoa, Joe and Hook last week.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 7: Well, in a world where the term dream match is
Speaker 7: thrown around quite frequently and means very little in many cases,
Speaker 7: I would actually classify this as a dream match because
Speaker 7: never once when Edge was in the WWE and Suzuki
Speaker 7: was in New Japan. Did I imagine that these two
Speaker 7: would share the square circle? But now that it's scheduled,
Speaker 7: I can't think of it being any less than awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, are you? I don't know ever thought
Speaker 3: about it either, And I don't hate it. I wish
Speaker 3: it could have happened five years ago. I think it
Speaker 3: could have been a lot more entertaining. And I'll say this,
Speaker 3: I've seen Manora Suzuki do Minora Suzuki so many times now,
Speaker 3: and I'm always happy when he comes over. I mean
Speaker 3: I was there live when he wrestled Janelle. I mean
Speaker 3: I've seen him wrestle so many people that were so
Speaker 3: happy to wrestle him. And when he comes over to
Speaker 3: the States or he does matches like this, I mean
Speaker 3: that's what it's about. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 3: I hate the matches, boring this old guy whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: Like Nah, I get it for the people that are working,
Speaker 3: and I get it for the fans of these guys.
Speaker 3: But like I have seen every incarnation of this match.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they could do differently here, but
Speaker 3: it is something different, I mean, that's for sure. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw collision on Saturday night,
Speaker 3: But like they just threw this up at the end
Speaker 3: of the show as the Blackpool Combat Club Kingston or
Speaker 3: Tees match was going on. It just popped up on
Speaker 3: this screen and it like you popped the announcers. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you saw that or not, but it
Speaker 3: was like, I would have made a bigger deal out
Speaker 3: of this, and obviously they have on social media since.
Speaker 3: But a funny way to to mention that you're doing
Speaker 3: this as the open challenge.
Speaker 7: What else is on the show?
Speaker 3: Mike ae W Trio's champions The Acclaimed and Billy Gunn
Speaker 3: defending against Brian Cage and the Gates of Agony, the
Speaker 3: former ro Oh World six Man Tag team champions. There
Speaker 3: is that the.
Speaker 7: Gentleman who lost those belts to Billy Gunn in the
Speaker 7: acclaims new partners coincidentally Bullet Club Gold.
Speaker 3: Do you like the Bang Bang Scissor Gang.
Speaker 7: You know, if Juice is out for a while and
Speaker 7: it appears that that's the case, why not you know,
Speaker 7: we know White, I don't know, was he a heel
Speaker 7: against m JF.
Speaker 3: He's then well no, no, not in my world. But
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 7: It's a difference ever since Card Blade showed up. This
Speaker 7: guy has had been a heel.
Speaker 3: I do like card Juice. Card Juice is a nice
Speaker 3: addition to the group. No No Paper Champion. See what
Speaker 3: I did there. When it comes to Samoa Joe, who
Speaker 3: I would keep the R or the R o H,
Speaker 3: I would keep the AW World title on him forever.
Speaker 3: As it stands right now, we are going to have
Speaker 3: an appearance from him. We're going to hear from him
Speaker 3: his top two kid, two of the top contenders for
Speaker 3: his title, Hangman Out in Page and Swerve Strickland will
Speaker 3: also be wrestling. Swerve will russell Jeff Hardy because he
Speaker 3: is still in one piece after facing Darby Allen this
Speaker 3: past Friday, and Hangman Out in Page will wrestle Penthal
Speaker 3: Zero Meadeo. So there is that Any thoughts on the
Speaker 3: title scene or any of those matches.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I am a big fan of Hangman, Swerve, and
Speaker 7: Samoa Joe, all fighting to be the top star, the
Speaker 7: big man on campus, the top dog, the sweetest tooth,
Speaker 7: the most twisted metal, whatever you want to call it
Speaker 7: of AW. The more Samoa Joe the better, The more
Speaker 7: Hangman the better, the more Swerve the better. These guys
Speaker 7: have been great all of them for the past half
Speaker 7: a year, and I think that these are the three
Speaker 7: guys that should be in the title scene in AW.
Speaker 3: Right now, I agree one hundred percent. And I like
Speaker 3: magnum Ap. I like this new version of Hangman Page. Look,
Speaker 3: I know there's I get it with the millennial cowboy thing.
Speaker 3: I understand all of that stuff. Look, I believe that
Speaker 3: Hangman out in Page more than any other wrestler is
Speaker 3: the heart and soul of AAW When he gets right
Speaker 3: down to it, that guy is AW and everything that
Speaker 3: it represents, and he represents all of their fans, and
Speaker 3: I think he does a great job. It's still pro wrestling,
Speaker 3: and sometimes you still got to, like, you know, kick ass,
Speaker 3: and it's time for this guy to kick ass, especially
Speaker 3: basically being emasculated at the hands of Swerve Strickland. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's what happened with this whole deal with Swerve coming
Speaker 3: into his house and violating is his child and violating
Speaker 3: the home and all that sort of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, and then to lose, to lose after drinking
Speaker 3: this dude's blood. Come on, Hangman out in Page needs
Speaker 3: to be a badass and rebuilding him into that will
Speaker 3: be go a long way. And frankly, I know everybody
Speaker 3: wants to see Penta spots and I don't hate Penta
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I don't love him as much
Speaker 3: as a lot of people do. But all that stuff,
Speaker 3: take the glove off. How about hang Man just punches
Speaker 3: him in the face. How about that? How about that?
Speaker 3: We don't need a fifty to fifty match between these
Speaker 3: two guys of Hangman out in page is going to
Speaker 3: be going for the title. Have him kick a lot
Speaker 3: of ass, because I swear I assume Swerve is gonna
Speaker 3: kick Harty's ass.
Speaker 7: I believe practically the punch to the face is illegal,
Speaker 7: so maybe that's why hang Man shouldn't do it. But
Speaker 7: you get one at least right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, it's like, you know, a fine he can take
Speaker 3: him and choke him for four seconds, pull him off,
Speaker 3: and then keep choking them and keep doing that until
Speaker 3: he's he's he's he's near he's near death, and then
Speaker 3: you can put him away with a Buckshot lariat or
Speaker 3: something like that. Wardlow faces off against Tramperetta. Probably gonna
Speaker 3: be a bad day for Trumperetta. He's going to get
Speaker 3: killed thunder Rosa against Red Velvet. I thought thunder Rosa
Speaker 3: looked great. I enjoyed the match with Queen Amannada on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I'm a thunder Rosa fan. I hope she can acclimate
Speaker 3: herself into the mix well, and I hope that they
Speaker 3: can figure out something to do with her here. But
Speaker 3: Thunder Rosa and Red Velvet looks like Velvet may take
Speaker 3: her second straight loss. Coming back Tom seems like they're
Speaker 3: going to probably do a.
Speaker 2: Lot of.
Speaker 3: Red Velvets, feels, at least right now, and we'll see
Speaker 3: how this match with Rosa goes. I think maybe she's
Speaker 3: going to be on a little bit of a losing
Speaker 3: streak here to kind of build her up and change
Speaker 3: her character.
Speaker 7: Seems to be a common theme that you can rely upon,
Speaker 7: and especially after I mean, it's not like she's a
Speaker 7: featured character week after week, but now she's been popping
Speaker 7: back up, been losing matches, So yeah, I would think
Speaker 7: there's some sort of character metamorphosis coming our way. Do
Speaker 7: we have anything announced with Tony Storm.
Speaker 6: We do.
Speaker 3: We're taking of character metamorphosis timeless. Tony Storm and Diana
Speaker 3: Parrazzo are going to have a face to face if
Speaker 3: you didn't see the programming from this weekend. Timeless Tony
Speaker 3: Storm has owned up to the fact that, yes, she
Speaker 3: does remember Deanna Parrazzo. Yes, does remember that she's a
Speaker 3: technical wizard, remembers their time in the Land of the
Speaker 3: Rising Sun. I don't remember Deanna being in stardom at
Speaker 3: the same time Tony does. But then again, my memories
Speaker 3: bad and all that stuff doesn't matter. But they did
Speaker 3: some They did some explain in there.
Speaker 7: I believe they did Russell like seven years ago to
Speaker 7: the day, maybe out of Parazzo's return.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You just had that one queued up you looking at cache.
Speaker 7: May it might have been for the SWA belt.
Speaker 3: Not sure, I'll be that is an amazing memory. The
Speaker 3: only thing I really remember from Tony Storm off the
Speaker 3: top of my head was the fact that she won
Speaker 3: the Princess Tournament, uh one of those years over there
Speaker 3: before she came back to the States. But yeah, Tony, Tony,
Speaker 3: Indiana Parazza will have a face to face and then
Speaker 3: and actually I don't know what order this is going in,
Speaker 3: but this is the last thing I have listed here.
Speaker 3: And then Sting and Darby Allen are going to speak
Speaker 3: I'm sure having a response for Matthew and Nicholas from
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 7: Tom, I'm sure we're heading towards the matchup that a
Speaker 7: lot of people are gonna complain about.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna grow your mustache out like that? Why
Speaker 3: don't you grow a mustache out? Hey, a little while
Speaker 3: since you had one.
Speaker 7: Vince McMahon's mustache is gone. So I was wondering, are
Speaker 7: the young bucks gonna follow suit?
Speaker 3: You need to bring back you need to bring back
Speaker 3: the damn the B seven mustache.
Speaker 7: I don't know too much Toxic Masculinity for me. You
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Speaker 3: Here, found wherever you find Toxic Masculinity podcast. We'll be
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Back on the show, Mike simper Vv, filthy, Tom Lawler
Speaker 3: here with you. I thought Tom was working me there
Speaker 3: towards the end of that last segment talking about Dan
Speaker 3: Severn and Don Fry and Toxic masculinity. But there is
Speaker 3: a Toxic Masculinity Podcast. Dan and Don's Toxic Masculinity Podcast,
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Speaker 7: We don't even put ourselves over. What are you doing
Speaker 7: putting over? Don Fry and Dan Severn.
Speaker 3: Here's why. Here's why, Tom, because we talk about your adventures,
Speaker 3: especially in the state of Ohio wrestling. Well, guess what
Speaker 3: on episode here that I have not heard of? Double
Speaker 3: D's in Your Face. Dan talks about recently doing some
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Speaker 3: Robin Quivers from the Howard Stern Show. The guys also
Speaker 3: talk about their strangest purchases, some of their best pickup lines,
Speaker 3: and give some dating advice. Oh boy, now I remember
Speaker 3: Don Fry appearing on the press Who Power Hour and
Speaker 3: scaring the crap out of me via phone.
Speaker 7: An there was an ask Don Fry segment. Sorry, yes,
Speaker 7: but on inside dating advice. All right, fine, I'm in.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to do a review of this that
Speaker 3: you know that may be the very first ever Wrestling
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Speaker 3: with Dave and Bryan Tonight probably just talk about the
Speaker 3: NXT that we didn't talk about at all today and
Speaker 3: tonight's aew dynamite. Tom, do you have anything to say
Speaker 3: to our fine listeners before we get out of here?
Speaker 7: Thank you for spending the last hour with us.
Speaker 10: May God have mercy on your soul, for Producer John,
Speaker 10: for Producer Dom, and for all of us here.
Speaker 3: We shall talk to you again after a while.
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