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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: for everybody today when we have Krystal. We have a

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Speaker 1: lot of huge stories this morning. So indeed, we do

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Speaker 1: have a big show to get to huge developments coming

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Speaker 1: out of Ukraine. We're going to leave the show with

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Speaker 1: that is just a moment. Also, all the details about

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Speaker 1: the massive crackdown on those remaining protesters up in Canada

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Speaker 1: and whether similar protests could be coming to the US.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of sort of security state fearmongering about

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Speaker 1: this at the moment, so we'll give you those details there. Also,

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Speaker 1: this is a pretty bombshell revelation that certainly fuels like

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Speaker 1: some of the worst conspiracy theorists out there, but is

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Speaker 1: something that is worth taking note of. The CDC has

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Speaker 1: collected all of this data with crucial information about how

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Speaker 1: these very you know, granular detailed information that we could

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Speaker 1: really use to help you deal with the pandemic that

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Speaker 1: they haven't been releasing to anyone and have no plans

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Speaker 1: to and have no plans to. So New York Times

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Speaker 1: says that story, We're going to break that down for you. Also,

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Speaker 1: massive development in the whole Epstein saga one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of girls to Epstein, hanged himself in a very similar

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Speaker 1: So I've got those details for you. Also new revelations

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Speaker 1: about exactly why Jeff Zucker and Alison Gallis are out

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Speaker 1: at CNN. I'm also really excited about a debate we

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Speaker 1: have today between Paul Prescott and Orrin cass about unions

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Speaker 1: But we have to start with all of the breaking

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Speaker 1: news coming out of Ukraine. There are developments just this

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Speaker 1: but to catch you up to speed. Bottom line is

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Speaker 1: massive escalation, both in terms of rhetoric from the US side,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with President Biden, who has now come out

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Speaker 1: and said that based on US intelligence, they believe that

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Speaker 1: Putin has already given the order to invade Ukraine, again

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Speaker 1: offering no specifics of that intelligence, and some of our

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Speaker 1: allies are skeptical. We'll get to that in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but here's what the President had to say. In anyway, Yes,

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Speaker 1: my chances will have in the next several days. There

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Speaker 1: are any diplomatic paths still available, Yes, there is RESI

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Speaker 1: that's why I asked Senator Senator second very appointment to

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Speaker 1: You'll lay out what that path is. I've laid out

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Speaker 1: a path to Putin is well, uh, I think Sunday

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Speaker 1: Observers very skeptical that any sort of actual face to

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Speaker 1: they're saying that they have compiled a specific list of

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Speaker 1: that's the word from the White House. President Zelenski from

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: And we are being told that you have several days

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Speaker 1: then apply the sanctions today. Yes, they say, we apply

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Speaker 1: after the bombardment will happen and after our country will

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Speaker 1: What is this about? In terms of NATO, we had

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Speaker 1: I have lots of friends among the world leaders. I

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Speaker 1: incurse some cost, and in this situation that may relate

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Speaker 1: we have a problem. Now. There's a lot to say here,

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Speaker 1: which is that I remain mystified by all size. So

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Speaker 1: then Zelenski is like, okay, if that's true, then sanction them.

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Speaker 1: But also that hasn't happened. I'm not whitewashing what's happening

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Speaker 1: So specifically there was a high level of shelling that

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Speaker 1: the Emergencies Act and invoking a state of emergency, suspending

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Speaker 1: civil liberties and beginning financial basically warfare upon the people

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Speaker 1: who are protesters who are on allowed to speak there.

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Speaker 1: So the police and the authorities there began clearing out

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Speaker 1: some of the areas over the weekend in the city

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Speaker 1: of Ottawa. It was very troubling Crystal. We saw reports

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Speaker 1: also that they banned the media from coming in. They

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Speaker 1: actually put out official statements from the Ottawa Police saying

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Speaker 1: media you're not allowed within you know, this area, keeping

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Speaker 1: them out. Some of the footage here was troubling that

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot made of this footage. So people

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Speaker 1: said that a woman was trampled. That doesn't appear to

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Speaker 1: be the case. But there were like horses that were

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Speaker 1: used in order to kind of clear the area. We

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Speaker 1: have some of that footage here. If you're just listening,

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Speaker 1: to stick with us briefly so that the people who

446
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Speaker 1: are watching, look, let's go, oh, come on through, come

447
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Speaker 1: on through. What is happening here? Wow? What is this

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Speaker 1: lady traveling? Traveling horses? Well, they just trampling. They just

449
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Speaker 1: trampled that lady. They just fully trample that lady. They

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Speaker 1: just fully trampled the lady, got fully tramp over the horse.

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Speaker 1: So the woman doesn't appear to have been stepped on,

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Speaker 1: but she was knocked over. That's what apparently all this

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Speaker 1: came down to. Still, obviously people in riot here. Another

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Speaker 1: thing that's been happening Crystal in the city of Ottawa.

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Speaker 1: Is that the police are going by and checking everybody's identities,

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Speaker 1: being like, who are you? Do you need to be here?

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Speaker 1: Where are you from? If you're not, If you're still

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Speaker 1: here within an hour, I'm going to arrest you. They're

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Speaker 1: doing inspections of businesses, making sure that everybody is a

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Speaker 1: local resident there. I saw some guys throwing cameras out

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Speaker 1: of people's faces. It's effectively locked down the city totally.

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Speaker 1: And in order to you know, not only keep additional

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Speaker 1: protesters from arriving to you know, bolster the people who

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Speaker 1: are already there, but also, as we've been covering, this

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Speaker 1: was a highly organized protest from a sort of logistic standpoint.

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Speaker 1: You had people who were faring in food, people are

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Speaker 1: bringing in diesel in order to keep the trucks running,

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Speaker 1: and so they've cut off those supply lines also, so

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Speaker 1: I mean they're arresting the protesters, they cut off the

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Speaker 1: supply line. So and of course they froze as much

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Speaker 1: of the money and lock the bank accounts as possible

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Speaker 1: to try to completely freeze this thing out. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then on top of that, we continue to see and

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Speaker 1: I'll be talking a lot about this in my monologue,

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Speaker 1: which is more about bitcoin and crypto, but we are

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Speaker 1: talking here about full scale financial warfare on anybody conducting

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Speaker 1: in these protests. The Ottawa Police Chief actually spoke yesterday

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Speaker 1: in which he said, not only are we financially freezing

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Speaker 1: the accounts of the people who are involved, but we

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Speaker 1: will continue to do so in the future for many

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Speaker 1: months to come. Take a listen. If you are involved

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Speaker 1: in this protest, we will actively look to identify you

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Speaker 1: and follow up with financial sanctions and criminal charges. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: this investigation will go on for months to come. It

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Speaker 1: has many, many different streams, both from a federal financial level,

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Speaker 1: from a provincial licensing level, from a criminal code level,

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Speaker 1: from a municipal breach of court order, breach of court

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Speaker 1: injunction level. It will be a complicated and time consuming

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Speaker 1: investigation that will go on for a period of time.

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Speaker 1: You have my commitment that that investigation will continue and

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Speaker 1: we will hold people accountable for taking our streets over.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, yeah, I mean, that's completely nuts. And as

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Speaker 1: you said, this is not just like canceling bank account,

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Speaker 1: canceling mortgage, canceling, carlan complete debanked from the Canadian financial system.

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Speaker 1: Which is truly nuts. And then what they're saying also

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Speaker 1: is like we're going to continue to look and to

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Speaker 1: do so. I just can't get over their weaponization of

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Speaker 1: like terrorism financing language, which you point to. It's like

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Speaker 1: they're using the same laws under their terrorism financing guidelines

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Speaker 1: to like comp hair a wire transfer from like Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia to a hijacker to like some more normal person

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska, Raymon, Kansas, here's fifty bucks. Yeah, I support

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. They're like, this is foreign money coming in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I have a whole thing

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Speaker 1: about how this shows you that we need much more

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Speaker 1: better ways in order to get away from this level

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Speaker 1: of financial warfare. But what we wanted to focus on

508
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: as well is kind of the not even is kind

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Speaker 1: of the export of this protest as an international movement.

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Speaker 1: We saw some flare ups in Jerusalem, some flare ups

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand. Now there's a lot of talk here

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Speaker 1: in the United States as to whether there will be

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Speaker 1: a Capital trucker protest or similar level of protests against restrictions.

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Speaker 1: And already, even though there's only talk of this online

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Speaker 1: and there's not yet a substantial group that's big enough

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Speaker 1: here in the capital of the United States. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there, just a couple of blocks from where

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Speaker 1: we're filming this segment, the Capital Perimeter Fence is coming

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Speaker 1: back before the State of the Union. Why because of

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00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: the Trucker Freedom Convoy heads for Washington. Now once again,

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Speaker 1: this convoy, which was supposed to start out in California,

522
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Speaker 1: doesn't even seem to be all that big, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't have nearly the same level of

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Speaker 1: salance just because we don't have even close to the

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Speaker 1: same level of restrictions nationwide here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I believe almost all every mass mandate in

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Speaker 1: the country is set to expire within the next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: You know, Boris Johnson in the West, most people in

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Speaker 1: the West are basically opening up. Boris Johnson just this

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Speaker 1: morning lifted all coronavirus restrictions. But what we have here

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Speaker 1: in the US is that even the inkling is enough

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Speaker 1: to trigger a full scale crackdown with the Capital Fence

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Speaker 1: going back up, which was a scar on this city.

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Speaker 1: And second was that I just read that all DC

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Speaker 1: police vacation was canceled for March first, So they're calling

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Speaker 1: in the full you know force of Metropolitan police and

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Speaker 1: against the Capitol Police. You know, these idiots they can

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Speaker 1: finally sh up, possibly do something and earn their pay.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's not outside the realman possibility. They

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Speaker 1: call in the National Guard all for nothing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: from what we can tell is nothing. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the freak count before that supposedly tan it was

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Speaker 1: like the real inauguration data, yeah or whatever, which turned

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Speaker 1: out to be which turned out to be nothing. I

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Speaker 1: mean I tried to look in to this thing because

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I was like, oh, maybe there really is

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Speaker 1: a thing that's happening, and I looked to it was

548
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Speaker 1: originally the first reports I saw said oh, it's going

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Speaker 1: to start in California and could disrupt the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That didn't happen, And that one was the original report

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Speaker 1: was like, it's going to start in California, They're going

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Speaker 1: to drive across the country. They're going to arrive intern

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Speaker 1: in time for Biden's State of the Union. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to have materialized whatsoever. And then as I was

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Speaker 1: researching this, I found another potential protest that the dates

556
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Speaker 1: are fluid, they have different roots. None of it has

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Speaker 1: actually come to fruition. Not to say that there isn't

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Speaker 1: something that could come together, but the quote that I

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00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: saw online was, at this point, it's more aspirational than reality.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that at this point, and maybe

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Speaker 1: partly because of what we've watched unfold in Canada, cities

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Speaker 1: and states are moving to undo mass restrictions, make sure

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Speaker 1: schools are open, lifting vaccine passport mandates. There's a major

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Speaker 1: loosening of restrictions, even in blue states and blue cities.

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Speaker 1: So they're just like, what would you even be really

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Speaker 1: protesting at this point? There's nothing new coming from the

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Speaker 1: federal government. There aren't many in place still at the

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Speaker 1: state and local level, so there just may not be

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Speaker 1: quite that sort of spark and fire to protest against

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Speaker 1: pandemic restrictions that are already going away here in the US.

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Speaker 1: I do want to say, just going back to the

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Speaker 1: footage of you know, the police crackdown, and especially because

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Speaker 1: I do think this is like a low bar, but

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Speaker 1: there was a lot more restraint from law enforcement in

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Speaker 1: Canada than we've seen in our our own country. I

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Speaker 1: saw only two reports of potential injuries from the police.

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Speaker 1: Still doesn't make it acceptable whatsoever. But the complete sort

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Speaker 1: of like holistic use of tools that they've deployed here

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Speaker 1: to make sure that these protests cannot continue is incredibly

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Speaker 1: chilling and deeply troubling. You have, what effectively happened here

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Speaker 1: is the moment that these protesters threatened capital by blocking

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Speaker 1: those bridges and making it hard for the auto plants to,

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Speaker 1: you know, to churn out cars at a time when

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Speaker 1: of course supply chains are already strained. That was when

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Speaker 1: the switch was flipped, because up to that point very

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Speaker 1: little had been done. Honestly, they were sort of allowed

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Speaker 1: to occupy the city, They're allowed to do their thing,

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Speaker 1: they're allowed to protest, and then the minute that Capital

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Speaker 1: was threatened, boom finances freezed, the city is shut down.

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Speaker 1: They know, they're threatening to seize their trucks and confiscate

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Speaker 1: them and use the money to pay off businesses. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just completely insane actions and also insane potential plans. And

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Speaker 1: so you know what, if you're on the left and

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Speaker 1: you're thinking in terms of something like what would a

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Speaker 1: general strike look like, this should be a real warning

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Speaker 1: for you. And it doesn't matter whether you support the

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Speaker 1: things that these individuals were protesting. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: you like these specific people, completely irrelevant. The trigger here

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00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: was when capital was threatened. So if you're on the left,

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00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: like it should be very clear to you that these

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Speaker 1: are aggressive, authoritarian actions of the state that you should

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Speaker 1: absolutely stand against. And our own government was involved in

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Speaker 1: pushing the Canadians to do this, because it was Biden

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Speaker 1: who calls Trudeau and then all of a sudden, all

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Speaker 1: of these actions are ultimately taken. We've pointed out before

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Speaker 1: that the Canadian public is largely on the side of

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Speaker 1: these incredibly authoritarian and raconian, draconian measures that have been

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Speaker 1: put in place. That is even more troubling because, and

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Speaker 1: this is something that Glenn Greenwell is pointing out online,

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Speaker 1: sometimes authoritarianism is popular, and that's what makes it even

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Speaker 1: scarier that you can have a situation where the public

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Speaker 1: is clamoring for these types of clamp downs and lockdowns.

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Speaker 1: We saw this in the wake of nine to eleven,

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Speaker 1: same spirit of yes, let's like, whatever it takes, Patriot Act,

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Speaker 1: do it. That's why you have a constitution in place

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Speaker 1: to protect people's rights, even when you have public sentiment

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Speaker 1: that because of some sort of either real or perceived

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Speaker 1: threat coalesces around these draconian authoritarian responses. So that's just

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Speaker 1: my word to people on the left. They had they arrested,

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Speaker 1: So some of the numbers here. The federal government has

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Speaker 1: frozen two and a half million dollars at least of funds.

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Speaker 1: The three of the leaders of the protests were arrested

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Speaker 1: for quote mischief, which is basically like, you're doing something

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Speaker 1: we don't like. It's like, it's not exactly a law

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Speaker 1: for it, but we just don't like it, and we

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Speaker 1: want to make an example of it. Yeah, that's like

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Speaker 1: old the wild West. They would they would just arrest somebody,

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Speaker 1: but we don't like you around this town. That's basically

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is why we have a Bill

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Speaker 1: of Rights. And you know, Canadians, you can tell me

631
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Speaker 1: all you want, but look, there are clearly a lot

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Speaker 1: more avenues in your country in terms of the law

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Speaker 1: for the government to truly be able to do whatever

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Speaker 1: it wants. The d banking aspect is the part that truly, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's where I felt like I was taking crazy pills obviously,

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Speaker 1: and you know we pointed this out during Floyd and

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Speaker 1: even now it's already illegal to occupy a city. You

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00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: don't need to declare an Emergencies Act, Like, that's not illegal.

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Speaker 1: You have everything that you could possibly need if you

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Speaker 1: wanted to. There's no need in order to justify all

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Speaker 1: these Darcronian measures. They did it because they can. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, that's what it comes down to. So

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Speaker 1: to me, we have to take away their ability to

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Speaker 1: do it at all and to watch them, you know,

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Speaker 1: debank these people, especially people who are Look one guy,

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Speaker 1: he's on the street. He's like, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: get a coffee. They're like, where are you from? He says,

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Speaker 1: I'm from Alberta. They said you can't be here, smack

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Speaker 1: the phone out of his space, said you're not going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and if I see you again, I'm arresting you. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that's completely crazy. This is broad daylight.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with these businesses. They're doing business license inspections

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Speaker 1: and what they pointed out and that click we showed you.

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Speaker 1: When they say provincial licensure, they mean your ability to drive,

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Speaker 1: they mean your car insurance, they mean your ability to

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Speaker 1: have a living. I mean, can they take that all

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Speaker 1: away from you because you participated in a protest in

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Speaker 1: supposedly the Free West. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: see this as one of the one of the most

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Speaker 1: asopient things I've seen in a law It's like a dream.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this is happening in Canada, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that so much of the population is on board

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Speaker 1: with it just adds to the dystopia. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: often very popular. Yeah, I mean that's true, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean again, we've seen it here in a week of

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, we've seen it. I mean we've seen

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Speaker 1: it at times, you know, with regards to coronavirus. Like.

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Speaker 1: It is not the case that authoritarianism is always unpopular.

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes it is actually popular, and that makes it more

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Speaker 1: dystopian to watch what is happening there. So again I

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Speaker 1: think listen, I think now the thing to watch for here,

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Speaker 1: because they basically have all the protesters clear down in

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Speaker 1: Canada as far as we can tell based on media reports, Now,

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Speaker 1: the thing to watch for here is what is the

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Speaker 1: security state freak out around potential protests that haven't even

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Speaker 1: materialized here. And just to be super specific, there hasn't

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00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: even been a request for a permit to protest. Put

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Speaker 1: into DC government. Yeah, that's right. So that's how sort

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Speaker 1: of speculative the potential protests here are at this point,

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Speaker 1: and yet the fence continues to go up amazing. Well,

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00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's go ahead and move on to the CDC.

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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting story here from the New

683
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: York Times, but it's very important. I also think it's

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Speaker 1: funny the way that they framed it. They're like, oh,

685
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: this just continues to happen, fueling questions. It's like, no, no no, no,

686
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: it should feel questions. That's the whole point. Let's put

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00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: it up there then on the screen, which is that

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00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: the CDC is not publishing large portions of the COVID

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Speaker 1: data that it collects now. Specifically, for more than a year,

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Speaker 1: the CDC has collected data on hospitalization for COVID in

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Speaker 1: the US and broken it down by age, race, and

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Speaker 1: vaccination status, but it has not made most of the

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Speaker 1: information public. In fact, when the CDC did publish the

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Speaker 1: first significant data set just two weeks ago, it left

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Speaker 1: out numbers for a huge portion of the population, which

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Speaker 1: is eighteen to forty nine year olds. In other words,

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Speaker 1: what they did is they basically rigged the data to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: boosters work really well for adults who are younger than

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Speaker 1: sixty five, But then they leave out all of the

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Speaker 1: ability to actually that. So hold on a second. You

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Speaker 1: left out the vast majority of the US population in

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Speaker 1: order to try and use and sell the public on

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Speaker 1: booster efficacy. I'm not a conspiracy theorists. I think if

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Speaker 1: you're old and if you have comorbidities, you should probably

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Speaker 1: get a booster based upon what I can tell. But

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Speaker 1: it's very clear here that they had data which contravened

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Speaker 1: their public narrative, and so they're just not releasing it.

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Speaker 1: And you said this too at the beginning. This is

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Speaker 1: the stuff of people's dreams who believe in vast conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, what how else can you describe it?

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Speaker 1: You have the government agency here, government agency here, which

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00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: does have data on all of this. You know, for

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Speaker 1: a long time we have the excuse of oh state data.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to compile. They basically got it down.

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Speaker 1: They have it all in terms of age and race

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Speaker 1: and vaccinati status and everything, and then they just simply

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Speaker 1: refuse to release it. And actually, to their credit, while

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Speaker 1: I believe Israel has done some absolutely bonker stuff with

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Speaker 1: some of its mandates, the four shots, etc. They still

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Speaker 1: do release their actual public health data, which gives us

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Speaker 1: the insight to look at what's actually working and what's

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Speaker 1: not well. And that's what's crazy is if you've been wondering, like,

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Speaker 1: why haven't been so dependent on Israel's Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: why data for especially boosters was a big you know,

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Speaker 1: we kept looking sorting through the Israeli data to see

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Speaker 1: the efficacy of boosters. It's because our own supposedly, you know,

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Speaker 1: number one in the World Health Agency is hiding. They

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Speaker 1: have the data, but they're not sharing it with anybody,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just on boosters, so they wouldn't release

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Speaker 1: the data. They left out numbers for eighteen forty nine

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Speaker 1: year olds with regards to efficacy of the booster. They

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Speaker 1: also had come under fire for not tracking so called

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Speaker 1: breakthrough infections in vaccinated Americans, focusing only on individuals who

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Speaker 1: became ill enough to be hospitalized or die, because they

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Speaker 1: didn't apparently, I mean, this is all you have to

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Speaker 1: read between the lines, but apparently they didn't want people

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Speaker 1: to know how common breakthrough infections were, even though again

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Speaker 1: they had that data and didn't share it Apparently the

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Speaker 1: American Academy of Pediatrics have been asking for the proportion

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Speaker 1: of children hospitalized for COVID that have other medical condition

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Speaker 1: so you can understand, Okay, what's the risk for a healthy,

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Speaker 1: you know, child versus what's the risk for a child

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Speaker 1: who has other comorbidities. Wouldn't provide that data. They also

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Speaker 1: the Pediatrics Academy also has repeatedly asked the CDC for

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Speaker 1: an estimate on the contagiousness of a person infected with

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Speaker 1: COVID five days after symptoms began, and one of the

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Speaker 1: folks with the Academy finally got the answer from an

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Speaker 1: article in the New York Times versus from the CDC,

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Speaker 1: And so you know their justification here, and I just

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Speaker 1: think this is this is too perfect. And this has

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00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: been the problem with these public health agencies and also

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Speaker 1: with doctor Fauci from the beginning. It says, the agency

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Speaker 1: has been reluctant to make those figures public because they

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Speaker 1: might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective. It's not

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Speaker 1: your job to psychoanalyze the public. It's not your job

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Speaker 1: to be the politician spinning the data or hiding the ball.

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00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: It is just your job to disseminate the information and

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Speaker 1: let us all handle it. I mean, and you've done

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00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: so much damage in terms of now you don't think

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Speaker 1: this is going to fuel people's worst fears. And anyone

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Speaker 1: who's you know, who is skeptical of the vaccine, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is there. This is a dream for them to

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Speaker 1: be able to say, look, Christal, if there is another pandemic,

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Speaker 1: let's say, of the in terms of its mortality rate

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Speaker 1: is ten times higher. I still I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: believe these people for a long time. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm the only person. I mean, I would literally have

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Speaker 1: to know and see people falling dead in front of

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Speaker 1: my face to be like, all right, okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll hear him out a little bit. That's not

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Speaker 1: how I felt two years ago. This is exactly the

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Speaker 1: same as at the beginning of the pandemic when Fauci

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Speaker 1: says mask don't No, I agree, And it's the same

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Speaker 1: and after the fact, I mean, he even admits it

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Speaker 1: because he thinks he's doing the right thing. He admits that, no,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to save the masks for people who were

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Speaker 1: on the front lines. It's not your job to lie

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00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and manipulate people or hide the ball here. It's your

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00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: job to get out the data and if the public

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Speaker 1: can handle that or you know, deals with in bad way,

781
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: then we have to address that down the line. But

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: this is absolutely abysmal. I mean, I think what we

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Speaker 1: can say is that we haven't only been dependent on

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Speaker 1: the CDC for data. We have data from health agencies

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00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: and from research around the world to show us the

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Speaker 1: efficacy of the vaccines, to show us the death rate

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Speaker 1: for different subpopulations, to show us how much more at

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Speaker 1: risk the elderly are. But the fact that our own

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Speaker 1: public health agency that is supposed to be you know,

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Speaker 1: the premier, the best in the world, has been sitting

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00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: on this data that could have helped us tailor our response,

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00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: that could have helped us understand for ourselves in our

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00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: own lives, what risks to take, what decisions to make,

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00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: what you know to do with regards to our kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is an absolute bombshell story,

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Speaker 1: and it's despicable that they've been hiding this data. I mean,

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00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: one billion dollars they've been given to modernize its systems

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Speaker 1: in order to attract data. But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you will remember remember doctor Deborah Burkes, who ended up

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Speaker 1: working for Donald Trump and then eventually left the administration.

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Speaker 1: She put in her memoir that whenever they approach the CDC,

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00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, here, we have all this money. You

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00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: guys can update your tracking stuff. They're like, now, we're good,

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00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: but we don't need it. Yeah, they outright rejected it

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00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: at the time. It basically had to be forced upon

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Speaker 1: them by Congress. I think there's a couple of things

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00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: happening here. The immense amount of hubris to think that, oh, well,

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00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: we just know better and that's it, which is, we

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Speaker 1: can hide the data and we can spin it whichever

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Speaker 1: we want. In a free and open society, and especially

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Speaker 1: in the age of the Internet, they can lie to you,

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Speaker 1: but we have the data. We can go on. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: take a genius to read Hebrew like, you can just

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Speaker 1: go on and be like, okay, well, human beings are

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Speaker 1: generally the same, so here's how it's working over there.

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00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: Same thing in New Zealand or South Africa, wherever, you know,

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00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: information travels fast, especially in the age of online and

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Speaker 1: when we see that, they seem to think that they

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Speaker 1: can just continue to manipulate the public and that we're

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00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: not going to find out that they're lying, and then

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Speaker 1: they end up admitting that they are. Everybody knows that.

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Speaker 1: It's very clear that the original promises on vaccination, on

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Speaker 1: masks so much more did not turn out to be true.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing I don't begrudge. I think it

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00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: was a noble effort to try to do it, but

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Speaker 1: soon it became a sinister effort to try and force

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Speaker 1: everybody in order to take up something which is clearly

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Speaker 1: not working the way that they promised to. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that there weren't legitimate benefits. And look, I think

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Speaker 1: a central tenant hair of our show is trust people

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Speaker 1: to make a decision for themselves. We can explain it

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Speaker 1: to you, be like, look, this can dramatically reduce your

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Speaker 1: risk of hospitalization and death. That seems pretty worth it

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Speaker 1: to me. Some of the promises on transmission and all

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Speaker 1: that and end up working out to be true. Same

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Speaker 1: with everywe a masks, the masks you know wearing in

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Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty when you didn't know that much

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Speaker 1: compared to August of twenty twenty substantially different. Same on

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Speaker 1: school closures. I'm willing to even give them the benefit

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00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: of the doubt in the beginning. But around what October

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00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: we knew almost everything we needed to know and it's now,

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00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, time to reopen the schools

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00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: in the fall. I think we had a data to know.

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Speaker 1: But it really does go to a central theme of

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Speaker 1: the show that you were just alluding to. I mean,

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00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: this is as anti populist as it gets. We elites

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00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: and experts know better, and so don't you worry about it.

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Don't ask any questions, just accept that you're going to

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00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: get from on high what our decision is for how

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00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: this is all going to go. We're going to control

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Speaker 1: the information. We're going to decide what we think the

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Speaker 1: population can handle, what sort of information they're capable of

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Speaker 1: sort of parsing through and dealing with. Rather than having

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Speaker 1: a real democracy, which is where you know, you have

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Speaker 1: the information available, where there's transparency, and where there's a

856
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: public debate, which yes, sometimes is messy, sometimes is uncomfortable.

857
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes people who are wrong have a say in it, right,

858
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: But that's what a democracy is all about. And you know, well,

859
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: the greatest principle of our country, at its greatest ideal,

860
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: is sort of that populous belief that people are capable

861
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: of self government, that they're capable of evaluating that information,

862
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: engaging in public debate and thinking through whether it's you know,

863
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: a response to a pandemic, or whether it's to monetary

864
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: policy or any of the other weighty issues that we

865
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: have to think about in terms of how we move

866
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: our country forward. Can't outsource it to experts, as much

867
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: as they would love to claim the power and say, hey,

868
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: we're just crunching the numbers here and pretend like they're

869
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: not making their own value judgments, that they're just doing

870
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: the calculations and working through the spreadsheets and doing the

871
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, equations to come up with what the correct

872
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: answer is. There's no substitute for a public debate that

873
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: involves the values and the priorities of the population, which

874
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: are going to be you know, there's going to be tension,

875
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be messy. Sometimes people you don't like

876
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: are going to win. But ultimately that's the thing that

877
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: I have faith in, and that I think we have

878
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: faith in here. I have a lot more faith than

879
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: that in the CDs. And let's go ahead and move

880
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: on here. Speaking of vast conspiracies, this is as you

881
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: alluded to Jean Luke Brunel. He was an associate of

882
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the head of a modeling agency, accused of

883
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: supplying thousands of girls to Epstein. He's been held in

884
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: a Paris jail since December of twenty twenty, whenever he

885
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: was trying to flee to Senegal, where he said he

886
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: was going on holiday, and since that time he's been

887
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: awaiting trial as investigators were looking into him and accused

888
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: him of sexual assault of a minor. Well over the

889
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: weekend he was found death by hanging in a cell.

890
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put that up there on the screen.

891
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: In this Paris jail, which is apparently one of the jails,

892
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, reserved for some of the highest criminal offenses

893
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: in all of France. Now, there were some initial reports

894
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: Crystal that the cameras were not working, so let's put

895
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: that up there. Let's go and put the next element

896
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: up there. But we looked into this. It turns out

897
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: in France they just simply don't have video cameras in

898
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: their jail system, rights or whatever whatever. So that there

899
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: was an initial report there at the time, which I

900
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: also believed in retrospect to good little two two on

901
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: the nose, little two on the nose. Even though that

902
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: that is what happened whenever it came to Epstein himself. Look,

903
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: mister Brunell, just to give the background, was introduced to

904
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Gilane Maxwell in the nineteen eighties. He was the head

905
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: of these modeling agencies called M two Model Management, which

906
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: had funding from Epstein. And he is the person who

907
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: would supply Epstein with a lot of these modeling girls,

908
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: who he would say. Epstein would say, oh, I can

909
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: help make your career. You know, I know, Jean Loo Burnell,

910
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: all of this, Why don't you give me some sexual favor?

911
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: And that's how we victimized and traumatized so many people.

912
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: European angle has long actually been unexplored. There were some

913
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: hints of this in the Financial Services Department of New York,

914
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: State of New York finding of Deutsche Bank, and in

915
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: that they detailed you guys can go back and read it.

916
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I did a whole thing on it. Over at Rising.

917
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: They're detailed all of these sketchy wire transfers to Europe

918
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: which were almost one hundred percent for purposes of human trafficking,

919
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: like in Eastern Europe to Russia, to well known madams,

920
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: and the bank and the compliance department basically knew what

921
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: was going on and continue to let these wire transfers

922
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: go through all across of Europe. And it's specifically to

923
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: guys who liked Jean Luke Burnell who helped supply a

924
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: lot of these women to Jeffrey Epstein. And in France

925
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: and in Eastern Europe too, they would use these modeling

926
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: agencies as grooming agencies to like acquire these women and

927
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of you know, look at them and then use

928
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: them to supply them to Epstein for use of human trafficking.

929
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: And you know, so many of them were victimized. A

930
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: lot of them had come forward to in terms of

931
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: detailed how exactly the scheme all used to work. He

932
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: had been accused also by Virginia Gouffrey, who was you know,

933
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: a true hero in this story, showing us how many

934
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: of these people were working together. But yeah, I mean

935
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: it just hands up dead in a French prison. They

936
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: claim it was suicide. He's been there since December of

937
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. We don't have the same level of insight

938
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: as we did in the US in terms of Epstein.

939
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, he has the former cell made who's a

940
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: cop or was a cop. And you know we know

941
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: about from Michael Bodden's assessment that there are bones broken

942
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: in his neck which are not consistent with the death

943
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: by which are more consistent with death by strangulation and

944
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: not with death by hanging. I don't think we're going

945
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: to get the same level of insight into what's happened here.

946
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: But look, I mean, the guy ended up dead. We

947
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: can tell you for a fact it seems that he

948
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: was deeply intertwined with Epstein's human trafficking network and a

949
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: lot of financial transactions have gone and confirmed that. So

950
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: just another yeah bow tie, I guess on the whole situation. Yeah,

951
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this dude was effectively Epstein's pimp. It was

952
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: providing him right according to Virginia Freight, thousands of girls.

953
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: There's another allegation, just to give you a sense of

954
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: how utterly depraved and despicable this man was. He allegedly

955
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: provided three twelve year old girls to Epstein as a

956
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: birthday present. That's what we're talking about here. And the

957
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: allegations against him weren't only with regard to Epstein. He

958
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: faced his own allegations of alleged rape of a minor

959
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: and sexual harassment. And it also you know, this seems

960
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: like this this was Epstein's pattern, is using these modeling

961
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: agencies because you'll recall the connection with Les Wesner was

962
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: he was the founder and owner of Victoria's Secret and

963
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: there were also you know, apparently Epstein was you pretending

964
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: that he was with Victoria's Secret to get access to

965
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: the girls there as well. And so you know, with

966
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: these modeling agencies where they're getting these girls who are

967
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: in desperate circumstances, sometimes in war torn regions, who are told,

968
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to make you a star and

969
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to come to the US

970
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: and you're going to be you're going to be famous,

971
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: and you're going to be on magazine covers. And they

972
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: are complete lee at the mercy of scumbags like Jean

973
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: Luke Brunell. I mean, this has been a long time

974
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. This is just like the worst iteration of that.

975
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You're preying on these young girls. We're

976
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: being taken away from their families, I mean, separate apart

977
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: from Jean Luke Brunell. Remember there have been expose is

978
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: about the sort of like you know, the boarding houses

979
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: that these girls were put into, in the abhorrant conditions.

980
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: So you take these young girls out of their homes,

981
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: away from their families, you promise them riches in fame,

982
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: and they're in this completely vulnerable position where they are,

983
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, ripe for exploitation, and then men like this

984
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: just completely take advantage and abuse them. It's absolutely horrific.

985
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: And of course, however his life ended, this of course

986
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: means that he won't have his day in court. We

987
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: won't have any more information about what this scheme looked like,

988
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: who else was victimized, who else enabled it, who else

989
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: was involved. And so that's why, you know, no one's

990
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: going to shed a tear for the end of this

991
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: man's life. But that's why this is a disgraceful turn

992
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: of events. His legal team, I'll say, says that his

993
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: decision to end his life was not driven by guilt,

994
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: but by a deep sense of injustice Sager. So, yeah,

995
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Whenever they say a decision to

996
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: end his life, like if you were his legal team,

997
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't you want a more fulsome investigation, Like why are

998
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: you getting in on the narrative that you know what

999
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, The official line coming from the French

1000
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: authorities is that while there weren't cameras in his cell,

1001
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: there were cameras in the hallway that showed no one

1002
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: entering or exiting his cell, and I guess he was

1003
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: alone in there. So that's that's what they're saying, is, Look,

1004
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: it has to be suicide because no one else was

1005
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: in there. So that's the official line. Okay, sure, all right,

1006
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: lest Audrey affair, but also not great, a disgraceful situation

1007
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: over there at CNN. We have new details that another

1008
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: update about exactly why Jeff Zucker and his mistress, Alison

1009
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: Gollis were ultimately fired. Let's put this tear sheet up

1010
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: on the screen. CNN executive that's Alison Gollis was ousted

1011
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: after discussing interview topics with Andrew Cuomo, who was governor.

1012
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: An internal investigation found that a top executive, Alison Gollis,

1013
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: had extensive communications with then Governor Andrew Cuomo. Effectively, this

1014
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: piece just confirms what we all completely expected, because you'll recall,

1015
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Alison Gollis was not only a top executive at CNN

1016
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: expected to take over that network after Zucker left. She

1017
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: had previously served as an aide to Andrew Cuomo, so

1018
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: we knew that they were connected and had ties. What

1019
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: The New York Times is saying here is that before

1020
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: interview use, she would correspond with Cuomo and get from

1021
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: him what he wanted the interview topics to be. She

1022
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: would pass it along to the team and his brother

1023
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: who was connecting the interviews, and then they would all

1024
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: go according to the script. So here's some of here's

1025
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: some of the specifics from the report they say. This

1026
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: is the lead. They say. On a Saturday in March

1027
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is COVID nineteen was invading the US Governor

1028
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: Cuomo went on CNN for a live interview. Among other topics,

1029
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: he was asked about a possible government enforced quarantine of

1030
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: New York that had been floated by President Trump. It

1031
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: was a newsworthy topic, but its path onto viewers' screens

1032
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: would turn out to be controversial and highly consequential with

1033
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: the future of one of the world's most powerful news networks.

1034
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Before the interview, Cuomo had told senior executive Alison Gallis

1035
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: about subjects he'd liked to be asked about on air.

1036
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: Miss Gallist then passed along the topics to CNN producers

1037
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: and reported back to the governor. Done, she wrote, they

1038
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: found a massive cache of communications exchanges between Gallis and Cuomo.

1039
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: There were multiple times where you know, every single topic

1040
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: that the governor wanted to be asked about, they review

1041
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: the transcripts and sure enough he gets asked about them.

1042
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: And just so you know, let's go ahead and put

1043
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: this Ken Vogel tweet up on the screen. This is

1044
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: the kicker. This is the kicker of this whole piece.

1045
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Internal investigations findings are especially notable because CNN journalists have

1046
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: repeatedly attacked Fox News personalities like Sean Hannity for having

1047
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: an overly close relationship with Republican leaders, in particular mister Trump.

1048
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: Brian Stelcher wrote in entire book about that, and it's

1049
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: a worthy topic of consideration. But somehow, now when it

1050
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: comes to CNN, their anchors, when this is all exposed,

1051
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: they're not upset that their own bosses were engaged in

1052
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: the same behavior. They're just upset that the corrupt bosses

1053
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: were let go. So it's pretty extraordinary. You know, not

1054
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: a lot of details here about exactly what Zucker's involvement

1055
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: was but I think you can surmise, given the relationship

1056
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: between him and Gallist and his own coziness with the Quomos,

1057
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: that he also knew what was going on and the

1058
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: whole cover story about all I resigned because of this affair.

1059
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: No one cared about the affair. This was the real

1060
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: thing that was getting I mean, this is outwardly and

1061
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: blatantly corrupt, and actually it almost makes me feel bad

1062
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: for Chris Kuomo because he's like, hey, you fired me,

1063
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: you knew what was up right, and not only that

1064
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: you helped me, you were also just as complicit in

1065
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Speaker 1: using our platform to not only cover for, but in

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Speaker 1: order to boost my brother's public profile. And what they

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: point to specifically, like you laid out, it's unbelievable because

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00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: you have it right there in writing that. It'll be

1069
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: like the governor wants to be asked about this, and

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: she replies done done. I mean what, like, look, you

1071
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: have to disclose that. I mean, they should not be

1072
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: scripting your interviews. I mean you can say, like, hey,

1073
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: he would love to be able to do this, but

1074
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: they're outright just saying, hey, he wants to be asked

1075
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: about this because he wants to make this announcement on

1076
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: your show, and they're like, oh, yeah, absolutely, And not

1077
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: only that helped in craft his public statements and using

1078
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: so much of their platform to in order to boost

1079
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: his image at this time, remember of how critical this

1080
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: was whenever old people were dying in nursing home. Well,

1081
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: and I think we should explain to people how this

1082
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: process works, because what they're saying is, oh, this is standard,

1083
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: standard protocol. There's always communications between guests and between the

1084
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: team about what the interview subject is going to be.

1085
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: And there is obviously when you're booking someone, there's some

1086
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: conversation about, hey, you know, here's generally the topic and

1087
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: what we're going to cover. But for the subject of

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: the interview, especially a powerful public official who was being

1089
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: floated as a presidential contender at the time, for that

1090
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: person to dictate the terms of the interview, no, yeah, no,

1091
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: that is not remotely acceptable. That is way beyond the

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: bounds of any sort of journalistic ethics. Just to imagine,

1093
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: just imagine if the shoes on the other foot, And

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think this probably did happen over at

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: Fox News, where Trump says, hey, I want you to

1096
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: ask this, this, and this. Everybody would see this is

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: blatantly corrupt. You are supposed to be there to hold

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Speaker 1: power to account, not to recite these scripted questions that

1099
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: they have prepared for you. That is literally like state

1100
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: media level propaganda that they're trying to pass off as No,

1101
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: this is standard journalism, this is how we do things.

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: You know. It actually reminds me a couple of times.

1103
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: So I can tell you before I interviewed Trump, there's

1104
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: always a negotiation process. They're like, we would really like

1105
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: to ask you you ask about the border, and I'm like, yeah,

1106
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: maybe I will. I'll give you straight up. They also

1107
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: tell you we don't want you to ask about this.

1108
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: So my very last interview with Trump, it was a

1109
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: day I just had to I forgot our name. Egen Carroll,

1110
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: who was the thing's famous something like that, and she

1111
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: accused Trump of rape. And so before we walked in there,

1112
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: Sarah Sanders takes me and the other guy who was

1113
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: interviewing Trump with the side and they're like, don't ask

1114
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: about Egen Carroll. We're like, we didn't say anything. We're

1115
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, sure, and you know, and then at the

1116
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: end we were like, so what about Egen Carroll, and

1117
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: he makes he wanted to talk about it, by the way,

1118
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: so he gives us this I can't remember. He goes,

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: first of all, she's not my type, which is certainly

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Speaker 1: classic Trump, but that ends up leading the news and

1121
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: we're on our way out. She's like, I just had

1122
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: to ask about that. I'm like, yeah, I'm doing my job.

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Speaker 1: It's my job. We can also give you insight here.

1124
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: We've tried to book politicians on this show and their

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Speaker 1: office is like, well, the only team wants to talk

1126
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Speaker 1: about this, and we'll be like, well, we're not gonna

1127
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: only stick to that, so take it or leave it,

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Speaker 1: and they leave it and I won't tell you who

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Speaker 1: it is. But that happens more often than you would think.

1130
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: A lot of times these politicians will say, well, this

1131
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: is what we want to talk about because their press

1132
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: office and all these people are trying to push this narrative,

1133
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: and hey, look if I find an interesting yeah, okay,

1134
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: we can talk, but everything is on the table if

1135
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: we wanted to be on the table. That is always

1136
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: a massive point of contention anytime you interview a politician.

1137
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: It's also why we are very reluctant. Usually in order

1138
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: to book them whenever they try to push that, because

1139
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: we have our conditions very clearly, if you come on

1140
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: this show, we will ask you whatever we want, and

1141
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: hence a lot of them don't necessarily want to come on.

1142
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: You have just part of the issue. You have to

1143
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: go into the interview assuming that this person is never

1144
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: going to come back. Yeah, right, yeah, And that's a

1145
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: real problem. It is. And these people who are going

1146
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: to give those politicians exactly the interview they want are

1147
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: part of the problem because if their expectation was no

1148
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: matter where I go and no matter what journalists I

1149
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: sit with, I'm going to get asked tough questions, then

1150
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have the luxury of just like denying access

1151
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: to anyone who's going to put a difficult question to them.

1152
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: But when you have, you know, the head of the

1153
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 1: network and his mistress playing, you know, giving you okay, yes,

1154
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: we'll give you exactly what you want in the interview,

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01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: and your freaking brother is going to conduct it. That

1156
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: was the only place that he did interviews effectively, so

1157
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: they had this exclusive access to him that they protected

1158
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: by given giving him exactly the scripted topic questions that

1159
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: he ultimately wanted. So it not only harms obviously the

1160
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: coverage at CNN, but it's part of a bigger problem

1161
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: that makes it so that, you know, then no journalist

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01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: feels like they can ask a tough question because that

1163
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: person is never ultimately going to come back to them.

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: And there are only a very few basically nowhere is exempt.

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01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: Maybe the New York Times because they're so big, maybe

1166
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, but independent outlets like US even random

1167
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: cable news shows, random Sunday shows. These politicians don't feel

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Speaker 1: like they have to ask tough questions about answer tough

1169
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: questions about anything. That they can just go on and

1170
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: get their sort of like you know, Patty Cake scripted

1171
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: puff pieces from their journalists of choice. And the sad

1172
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: thing is that those people who do those past Patty

1173
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: Cake's interviews are exactly the ones who get promoted because

1174
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: they get access, because they get these little scooplets, because

1175
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: they're playing in the circle of the people that they

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: see as their peers, rather than actually doing their job

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Speaker 1: of holding power to account at a time that was

1178
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Speaker 1: absolutely critical. And it makes our job hard, right when

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Speaker 1: we're like, we don't want to do that type of

1180
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: the whole point in this show is that we're not

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: cable and we don't feed into that stuff. And then

1182
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: the politicians don't want to come on miraculously because that's

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01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: part of the issue. And you know, it goes to

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: the real fear of being and put in an environment

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01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: where you have to be a normal person. This is

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: why it's always so funny. Sometimes people cutouts will approach

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: me to be like, so and so wants to go

1188
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: on Rogan. I'm like, that's not going to happen for you,

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Speaker 1: dude number one, But you are not an authentic person.

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: You don't have three hours of things to say. He

1191
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: would tear you apart. I don't mean in a mean way.

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01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 1: It's like if you had to sit there and try

1193
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: to reveal to the world who you really were with

1194
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: your scripted answers, it would just fall apart instantly. Yeah.

1195
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're only made the exactly Yeah, you're only

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: made for the cable news edifice. It all starts to

1197
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: fall apart once you meet and if you ever meet

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Speaker 1: any of these guys in person, it's very or women,

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Speaker 1: it's totally uh, you know, yes, gender neutral. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to the what the swamp really looks like, yeah, look,

1201
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: CNN giving us everybody in the business a bad name.

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: I will reiterate again, their talent is not upset about this.

1203
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: Their talent is upset that they got fired for doing this.

1204
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: They are just as corrupt. So whenever they accuse anybody else,

1205
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: just remind them that they're guilty of the exact same thing.

1206
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: And they didn't actually care. What they really care about

1207
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: is ratings, tearing the country apart and demonizing the other side. Also,

1208
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: they can make money. They're shameless. They want to be famous.

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01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: That's all they care about in this world. And they're

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Speaker 1: really they're really just ruining this country. There's no way

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Speaker 1: to say it. Pretty remarkable, all right, Socger, what are

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01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: you looking at? Well? I've talked about bitcoin a few

1213
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: times on this show, but to be honest, I've always

1214
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: been reluctant to deliver the case for it, mostly because

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of scammers out there. I never want

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01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: to be associated with them. All what I have in

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01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: this business is your trust, and I've never ever wanted

1218
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: to tape that. I also don't think it's necessarily appropriate

1219
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: for a guy who talks about the news and tries

1220
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: to be objective when delivering it to you to then

1221
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Speaker 1: be recommending something that he personally has a financial interest in.

1222
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Speaker 1: So here are my disclosures. Do not take any financial

1223
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: advice from me. And please remember during this monologue, I

1224
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: personally have been holding bitcoin for several years, and that

1225
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: does of course cover my thinking. But the reason that

1226
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: I am doing this today is because crypto and its

1227
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: world has now crossed into the news realm that we

1228
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Speaker 1: care about on this show. And when Canada and its

1229
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Speaker 1: violent crackdown on the Freedom Convoy protesters in the city

1230
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Speaker 1: of Ottawa has declared full fledged financial warfare on dissonance. Now,

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Speaker 1: as Crystal has laid out here already, Canada's financial warfare

1232
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Speaker 1: includes the ability of the government to make banks start

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01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: canceling loans, closing bank accounts, closing transactions of those those

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Speaker 1: that they suspect are protesters. It includes canceling mortgages, car loans,

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Speaker 1: a full scale unbanking akin to what we see in

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: communist China. And just like China, we see that war

1237
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: extend to the cryptocurrency world as well. A common reframe

1238
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: in the bitcoin or crypto community is that money is

1239
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: the foundation of all power. In fact, the history of

1240
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: currency and money itself is fascinating. Empires taking great care

1241
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: to mint coins and to force their subjects to use

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: them as a means of power projection, as a means

1243
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Speaker 1: of taxation, and as a means of controlling all of commerce.

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Speaker 1: If you think about it, you really can't do anything

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01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: without money in our society or our economy, and haven't

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: been able to for hundreds of years. You see that

1247
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: starkly with the fundraising for these Canadian protests. Oh, it's

1248
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: a cause that people believe in, So people can just donate,

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: Well you can only if the donation website will let

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: you boom. Then GoFundMe just sizes the money. Actually, they

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01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: tried to even donate it to a different charity. Sure,

1252
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: you can try and send it via a Christian website.

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: If send go oh oops, Canadian government, they're just going

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: to seize all that money. The most idealistic promise of bitcoin,

1255
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: fundamentally is that it is censorship free money through its

1256
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: proof of power on the blockchain and the inability of

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: somebody to take it from you without your private keys

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: in the best case scenario. We'll get to that. And

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01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,959
Speaker 1: it was born for moments like this, as many people

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01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: stepped up and they're sending over twenty bitcoin worth nearly

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: a million dollars to the truckers, along with a variety

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01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: of other cryptocurrencies including Ethereum, Solana and many other coins.

1263
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: But we found out too with the bitcoin heighs that

1264
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: I broke down recently. Even in the West, we are

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,480
Speaker 1: free only to a certain extent in the world of cryptocurrency.

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: Just listen to Canada's Deputy Prime Minister lay it all

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01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: out just so nonchalantly. So you're confirming that accounts have

1268
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: been frozen, both personal and corporate, but you're not releasing

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: the information and the actual follow up is I'm just

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Speaker 1: wondering whether the bank accounts will be targeted of individuals

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Speaker 1: who donated to the Gifts and Go and the go

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01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: fundmet campaigns. Are they considered designated people under the Emergencies Act,

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Speaker 1: meaning that their credit cards could be cut and financial

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Speaker 1: services are targeting them as well. Okay, so the names

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Speaker 1: of both individuals and entities as well as crypto wallets

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Speaker 1: have been shared by the RCMP with financial institutions and

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Speaker 1: accounts have been frozen, and more accounts will be frozen.

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Speaker 1: Crowdfunding platforms and payment service providers have started the registration

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Speaker 1: process with fintrack. In terms of the specifics on whose

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Speaker 1: accounts are being frozen, you now have the regulations. The

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Speaker 1: financial service providers have those regulations as well, and they,

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Speaker 1: working with law enforcement, will be making the operational decisions.

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Speaker 1: So per Canada, not only are bank accounts fair game,

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Speaker 1: but crypto wallets themselves they're being targeted for freezing. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the government in Canada. That's like the Stasi.

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Speaker 1: Ontario residents who hate the protesters jumped into the action

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Speaker 1: and won the first ever case in Canadian history, allowing

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Speaker 1: the government to seize crypto donations worth nearly one million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: as a crypto advocate, for situations like this, it is troubling.

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Speaker 1: It shows you that you are only as free as

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Speaker 1: the government lets you, even when it comes to crypto,

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Speaker 1: especially for people who are buying crypto and storing them

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Speaker 1: with major exchanges like a coinbase or any of these

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Speaker 1: other trading platforms, unless you're storing your keys in cold

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Speaker 1: storage or on a USB drive. In reality, it is

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Speaker 1: not as censorship resistant as it claims now. As my

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Speaker 1: friend Joe Wisenthal writes over at Bloomberg, it is time

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Speaker 1: for bitcoin to become a better tool for money laundering.

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Speaker 1: Now that's a tongue in cheek, as many bitcoin critics

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Speaker 1: look at it simply as a way to buy drugs

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Speaker 1: online or to practice illicit transactions, But it actually is

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Speaker 1: the opposite. For bitcoin to be truly a tool to

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Speaker 1: circumvent the powerful and to guarantee a fundamental and private

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Speaker 1: right to transact in the twenty first century, it actually

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Speaker 1: does need to become a better and less survailable tool.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean criminals will use it? Yes, it does,

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: and well that sucks. But criminals they use anything at

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Speaker 1: their disposal, including large sums of cash. You don't see

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: people maligning cash that way. Now, something some of you

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: might have observed over the last few years is I've

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Speaker 1: become a little bit more libertarian. It pains me to

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Speaker 1: even say that, given my hatred of many libertarian economic positions,

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Speaker 1: but I'm talking here socially and societally. Two years ago,

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Speaker 1: before COVID, I would have told you it is imperative

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Speaker 1: that a government not have the full ability to be

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Speaker 1: circumvented by a cryptocurrency, because it would diminish the legitimacy

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Speaker 1: of its power, and because dissonance could use it. And

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Speaker 1: now I'm literally telling you the opposite, for the same

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Speaker 1: reason that I would have been against it years ago,

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Speaker 1: for a widespread and full usage that is not able

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Speaker 1: to be tracked. I've watched the organs of the state

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Speaker 1: of the supposedly free West be used to crack down

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Speaker 1: now on peaceful protests of a serious issue. Here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, We've seen the COVID regime marshal its

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Speaker 1: way into every aspect of our lives. We have seen

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice brand angry parents domestic terrorists, and

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Speaker 1: we continue to see the expansion of state surveillance power

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Speaker 1: incroaching closer and closer and closer into the life of

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Speaker 1: its own citizens. In that environment, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: national emergency that we don't have better ways to circumvent

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Speaker 1: the financial regime. And I'll leave you with this dystopian

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Speaker 1: warning from the Canadian Police. If you are involved in

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Speaker 1: this protest, we will actively look to identify you and

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Speaker 1: follow up with financial sanctions and criminal charges. Absolutely, this

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Speaker 1: investigation will go on for months to come. It has

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Speaker 1: many many different streams, both from a financial level, from

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Speaker 1: a provincial licensing level, from a criminal code level, from

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Speaker 1: a municipal breach of court order, breach of court and

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01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: junction level. It will be a complicated and time consuming

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Speaker 1: investigation that will go on for a period of time.

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Speaker 1: You have my commitment that that investigation will continue and

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: we will hold people accountable for taking our streets over.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of work to do to ensure

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Speaker 1: that the state cannot wage financial warfare like that upon us.

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Speaker 1: It won't always be pretty, but whatever that is, we

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Speaker 1: cannot allow here in the United States, or for anybody

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Speaker 1: else for that matter. And that's the thing, Cristal. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you're skeptical of crypto as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look I get and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Sagres's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Chris, what are you taking

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Speaker 1: a look at? Well, guys, this is how it started.

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Speaker 1: So I got my first child tax credit payment today,

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: which means the government has officially paid me more child

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: support than my baby daddy ever has us. You can

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: see it from the bed Okayumi, So TikTokers they're posting

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: about getting their first child tax credits. Let this now

1358
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: is how it's going. The Child tax Credit, which was

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Speaker 1: enacted with great hope and even some seeming bipartisan support,

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Speaker 1: was left to die in the cradle, expiring in December

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Speaker 1: and leaving our most vulnerable families without what had been

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Speaker 1: a rare and precious lifeline. The predictable result, millions of

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Speaker 1: kids plunged into poverty over the span of a single

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Speaker 1: month between December and January, and nearly four million additional

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Speaker 1: children were pushed into poverty. That represents a month over

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Speaker 1: month increase of forty one percent. We should be horrified

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Speaker 1: at our nation's callousice. How easily we're distracted by shiny

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Speaker 1: objects of CRT debates or AstroTurf podcast controversies that we

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Speaker 1: barely notice when something so critical to millions of children

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Speaker 1: is pulled. And this of course comes into time when

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: our kids have been subjected to so many burdens and

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Speaker 1: so much trauma. We closed their schools, we forced them

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Speaker 1: to mass for years, and now we pulled a financial

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Speaker 1: support that kept a modicum of stability. It is truly shameful,

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Speaker 1: and it's worth thinking about what the hell happened here

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: and when the policy was first enacted Democrats announced it

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Speaker 1: with great fan fairy, highlighting the massive benefits it would

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Speaker 1: provide to children and how it would help us catch

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Speaker 1: up to our developed nation peers in terms of how

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Speaker 1: we treat our kids today. Today's the day that we

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Speaker 1: say to the parents of America, help is on the way.

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Speaker 1: In the end, government's always about whose side are you on. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: everybody up here is on the side of children, on

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Speaker 1: the side of family, on the side of the future

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Speaker 1: of this country. In the United States of America, where

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Speaker 1: we have the moral obscenity of the highest child poverty

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Speaker 1: rates amongst our peer nations, we are finally doing something

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Speaker 1: significantly to cut that rate of child poverty in half

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Speaker 1: and ending the savage injustices that are heaped upon families.

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Speaker 1: This is an incredible historic day. They thought that the

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Speaker 1: policy would become a new two untouchable third rail programs,

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Speaker 1: something like Social Security. After all, over ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: kids were actually eligible for the benefit, and guys, it

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Speaker 1: was stunningly successful. This New York Times graphic shows the

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Speaker 1: change in checking account balances throughout the pandemic. It tells

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Speaker 1: the tale each of the stimulus checks injected a huge lift,

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Speaker 1: but you can see significant spikes and account balances every

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Speaker 1: time one of the child tax credit payments hit. In

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Speaker 1: contrary to the Welfare queen concerns of Joe Manchin, who

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Speaker 1: worried that parents were spending the money on drugs, in reality,

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Speaker 1: the tax credit was overwhelmingly spent on food and other

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Speaker 1: basic needs. This study from the Center in Poverty and

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Speaker 1: Social Policy at Columbia University found that the most common

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Speaker 1: uses of the money were for food, essential bills, housing,

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Speaker 1: and school expenses. What's more, childhood hunger fell twenty four percent.

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Speaker 1: They also found that the credit had no impact on

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Speaker 1: whether or not people were working. There was literally only upside.

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Speaker 1: Dems were so confident in the program's political benefits that

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Speaker 1: they slated it to expire after less than a year.

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Speaker 1: They calculated that there would be a public uproar if

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Speaker 1: it expired, and either Republicans would be cowed into going

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Speaker 1: along with it, or the Republicans would find themselves on

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Speaker 1: the wrong side of a politically potent issue, with Democrats

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Speaker 1: riding to the rescue. Democrats could then hold themselves down

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Speaker 1: as saviors to Americans families America's families, giving voters a

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Speaker 1: potent reason to keep them in power in the midterm elections. Marvel,

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Speaker 1: if you will for a moment at the cynicism of

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Speaker 1: intentionally scheduling a critical lifeline program to expire just because

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Speaker 1: you think the battle over extending it will be politically

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Speaker 1: advantageous for your team. Disgraceful, But of course, the politics

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Speaker 1: did not play out the way Democrats had hoped, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately the child tax credit was drowned by a confluence

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Speaker 1: of culture war and cowardice. First of all, the polls

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Speaker 1: on the program were not all the Democrats had dreamed.

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Speaker 1: December poll found plurality support for extending the program, but

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Speaker 1: just barely. According to Morning Consult, forty seven percent wanted

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Speaker 1: a year long extension, will forty two percent disagreed, and

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Speaker 1: a majority of voters stood against a permanent extension of

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Speaker 1: that credit. But as is often the case, the polls

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Speaker 1: may not have really captured public sentiment about the program

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Speaker 1: or the politics of its expiration. As I showed here

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Speaker 1: last week, voters were receiving the benefit, abandoned Democrats in

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Speaker 1: significant numbers once that benefit went away. People are funny.

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: If they're asked the abstract about cash payments, they may

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Speaker 1: think of those who they imagine as undeserving of such support,

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Speaker 1: but when their own worthy household is denied that check,

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Speaker 1: there is hell to pay. Not to mention, opposition of

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Speaker 1: the program came from groups that did not benefit from it,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't have much of a stake in the fight,

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Speaker 1: and they were unlikely to determine their vote based on it.

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Speaker 1: But for the families that desperately depended on those payments,

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Speaker 1: the child tax credit checks may have become their top

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01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: issue and a huge deciding factor in who they would

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Speaker 1: vote for or whether they would vote at all. You

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01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: can see a similar dynamic right now with pandemic policies. Overall,

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Speaker 1: the public actually still supports some level of continued restrictions,

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: but the people who are opposed to those restrictions are

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Speaker 1: much more invested in the fight and likely to vote

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Speaker 1: based on their pandemic stances. Unfortunately, though, the backlash the

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Speaker 1: end of these checks has been really quiet. There's no

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Speaker 1: truck or convoys shutting down auto plants and occupying American

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Speaker 1: streets to make sure that kids have enough to eat.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy culture warfight, so none of our

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01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: usual outrage generation machines on cable news or social media

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Speaker 1: are geared up to create a public spectacle around it.

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Speaker 1: The people who depended on the credit and who entertained

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Speaker 1: for a moment that maybe the DC political class could

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Speaker 1: actually do something for them, they are now returning to

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Speaker 1: their previous long held cynicism. The other recent Democrats have

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Speaker 1: made an affirmative choice to allow millions of kids to

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Speaker 1: sink back into poverty is because inflation has ushered back

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Speaker 1: in a new era of deficit hawk politics. Republicans in

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Speaker 1: their corporate allies have successfully convinced quite a few that

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Speaker 1: the real problem causing inflation isn't that corporations are price gouging,

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Speaker 1: or that their own extreme free trade gamut has led

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Speaker 1: to vulnerability as critical supply chains were moved overseas and

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Speaker 1: just in time production was implemented. No, the real problem

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Speaker 1: is that poor people had a year or two where

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Speaker 1: they were somewhat less desperate. The White House has tacitly

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Speaker 1: bowed to this message. After all, they supported the end

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Speaker 1: of all pandemic programs. They didn't fight to extend pandemic

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Speaker 1: unemployment benefits. They are set to restart student loan payments

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Speaker 1: and they can't even decide whether or not it's a

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Speaker 1: good idea to point out that corporations are using inflation

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Speaker 1: as an excuse to further jack up prices. Jef Stein

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Speaker 1: recently reported on the divide in the White House over

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Speaker 1: whether to lean into the populous economic message that corporate

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Speaker 1: price gouging is screwing over Americans. So they're not comfortable

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Speaker 1: calling out corporations, but they are comfortable fighting inflation by

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Speaker 1: robbing our kids of the ability to have regular meals

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Speaker 1: and the lights on in their home. What a disgrace.

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Speaker 1: Of course, everyone already knows that as a result of

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Speaker 1: these choices and a whole lot more, Democrats are on

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Speaker 1: track for historic shalacking. And this too has shifted the

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Speaker 1: ground here in Washington for Democrats. Now isn't time to

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Speaker 1: actually pass policy that has helps people. It's the time

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Speaker 1: to find a scapegoat for those coming losses. The left

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Speaker 1: will once again serve in the role as a whipping

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Speaker 1: boy blame for the party's focus on culture, when, as

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Speaker 1: I laid out last week, it's the wolk corporatists who

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Speaker 1: dominate the professional ranks of the party that are wholly

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Speaker 1: responsible for the current embrace of hollow identitarianism. Now, my friends,

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Speaker 1: is how a wildly successful program was killed by cynical

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Speaker 1: political calculation, culture war, neoliberal economics, and corporate media distractions.

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Speaker 1: And it really is sad, Sager that you have this

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Speaker 1: program that was actually and if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

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Speaker 1: at Breakingpoints dot com. Joining us. Now we have Paul Prescott.

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Speaker 1: He is host of The Jackman Show, which I have

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Speaker 1: to put a giant plug in for. I think you

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01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: guys do such great work and such intelligent commentary over there.

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Speaker 1: You canfide it on YouTube. Paul is also running to

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Speaker 1: represent Pennsylvania's eighth Senate district. Welcome to the show, Paul,

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01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: thanks for having me and also us once again, great

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Speaker 1: front of the show. Or In Cass, who is executive

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01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: director of American Compass. Great to see Orn, Good to Orn.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me. All Right, so we wanted

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Speaker 1: you guys to talk about a new proposal or in

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Speaker 1: that you have been writing about. And let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and throw this tear sheet up on the screen. It

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01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: says why the US Right wants to put workers in

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Speaker 1: the boardroom a Republican build. It proposes to give labor

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01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: a new voice is a challenge to vested interests on

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Speaker 1: left and right. You're talking here about a proposal from

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Speaker 1: Senator Marco Rubio that would put a non voting worker

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Speaker 1: representative onto corporate boards. Can you just lay out for

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01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: us what that legislation does and what you think it

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01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: would mean for labour's interest broadly in America. Sure. I

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01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: think the starting point is to understand that there's a

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Speaker 1: weird quirk in American labor law that says the only

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01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: thing you can have is a union. So we have

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: the right to organize and join a union, but if

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01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: you don't have a union, you essentially can't have any

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: other form of kind of formal cooperation with an employer.

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Speaker 1: And so for a long time, reformers, mostly on the right,

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01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: but some on the left as well, have said, you know,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. There should be other options

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Speaker 1: to still form cooperative relationships. And so what the Rubio

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01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: bill does, and he introduced it with Congressman Jim Banks,

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01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's about twelve Republican co sponsors. So

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01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: there's a significant chunk on the right that's thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: What it says is, you know, management and employees can

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Speaker 1: together agree to set up what they call an employee

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: involvement organization. It's basically a committee to get together and

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Speaker 1: talk about issues in the workplace. And you can do

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Speaker 1: that without a union. And if you do that, if

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01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: you're a large company, you also have to give workers

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Speaker 1: a seat on the board. So that committee, the workers

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01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: there would choose somebody to represent them on the board

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Speaker 1: of directors as well. And so it strikes me as

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01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: a really important innovation. It shows I think, you know,

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01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: Republicans and the right of center thinking more seriously about

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01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: what workers actually want and need. And I think it

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: would be a real step forward for our labor system,

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01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: which today sort of says, you know, you can have

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01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: a nineteen thirties labor union or you get nothing. And so, Paul,

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Speaker 1: you've been quite critical of this legislation. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: go ahead and deliver your case kind of against it

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01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: and why it doesn't fit a pro worker perspective from

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Speaker 1: your view. Yeah, I'll start by saying this. You know,

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Speaker 1: if the choice was between nothing and an arrangement like this,

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01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: maybe I'd say, Okay, this is better than nothing. But

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01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, looking at the bill, there's kind of no

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Speaker 1: there there to me, you know, it's a worker gets

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01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: a seat on the board that's totally non voting. And

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Speaker 1: so I think it's kind of delusional and naive to

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01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: think about corporate giants, with all that they're contending with

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: with international capitalist competition, the wishes of their shareholders, that

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: they're going to follow the non binding suggestions of these

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Speaker 1: workers if they have no real mechanisms or leverage to

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Speaker 1: force these changes. I just don't see that happening. Without

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Speaker 1: actual leverage and actual power, and this bill, workers don't

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01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: really have the power to collectively bargain at set standards

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Speaker 1: for their jobs. And also, I mean, what is a

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01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: little confusing about this bill to me as well is

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Speaker 1: that I don't see how this actually changes current arrangements.

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Speaker 1: So employers today, you know, there really are not barriers

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Speaker 1: to them setting up similar type structures in their workplaces.

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Speaker 1: And actually many employers have, I mean, Japanese automakers in

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Speaker 1: the US throughout the eighties and nineties set up what's

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Speaker 1: called quality circles where workers can make suggestions and input,

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01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: although after over time it was realized what they were

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01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 1: really doing was getting workers to figure out how they

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01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: could work harder with less and less people and less

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Speaker 1: and less supports. So you know, I just don't see

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01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: this actually increasing worker power in any sort of significant way,

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01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: not like we've seen actual existing, real trade unions do

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Speaker 1: not just in the past, but even today. Just a

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Speaker 1: quick follow up on that, or before I get your

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Speaker 1: respec you said this between the choice and this, than fine,

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Speaker 1: give us then the ideal version of the Paul Prescott view. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, let me let me say this. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the period, the post war period of the

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Speaker 1: nineteenth roughly mid nineteen forties to early nineteen seventies. I

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Speaker 1: think unquestionably this was the time American workers had the

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Speaker 1: most power and prosperity in our society. It's really hard

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Speaker 1: to deny that. And this is the same period where

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Speaker 1: union density was at its highest, I mean, at its peak.

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Speaker 1: During this time, thirty roughly thirty five percent of US

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Speaker 1: workers were in labor unions, most of them in the

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Speaker 1: private sector, and labor unions had big influence in our society.

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Speaker 1: So the more the labor movement has declined, the less

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Speaker 1: of a voice workers have had in the workplace. And

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I think in that sense, it's kind of pretty simple

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01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: that you know, we know the tools that workers have

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Speaker 1: used to build power, and that is strong democratic labor unions.

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Speaker 1: And I think there is a proposal on the table now,

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Speaker 1: and I think if the right was really concerned about

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Speaker 1: worker power, the proact is sitting there waiting for votes.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear, and not to let Democrats off

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01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: the hook, because there are Democrats who are not voting

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01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: for that, but that has real legislation to make it

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: easier for workers to organize a union, to join a union,

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01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: to actually increase their power in society. And historically we

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01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: have the data and actually even presently with existing unions

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01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: to show this is what gives workers voice, this is

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01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: what allows them to raise their standard of living in

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: a significant way. Arin how do you respond to that,

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01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: because I think you'd have to acknowledge, like it's fair

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01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: for people like myself, like Paul folks on the left

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01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,480
Speaker 1: more broadly to be skeptical that Republicans are actually interested

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 1: in furthering worker power, just given the past three decades

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01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: plus four decades plus of history here. So the concern is,

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01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: this isn't if you really cared about worker power, why

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01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: don't you join up with Democrats and some of the efforts,

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01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: whether it's the Proact, or even something that's more limited

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01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: that would bolster unions, that would bolster worker's ability to

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01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: collectively organized. Is this just a way to sort of

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01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: rhetorically signal that you're pro worker while not actually bolstering

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01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: their standing in the workplace. Well, I think it's a

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01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: fairly illogical and just sort of ad hominem criticism of

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: the bill to say Republicans historically haven't been for worker power, Therefore,

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01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: if it's a Republican bill, it must not be good

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01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: for worker power. I think we have to look at

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Speaker 1: what the bill actually does, and we also have to

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01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: look at the very important changes that have been underway

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01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: for some time now on the right of center, and so,

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01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, I think the problem is that in a

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: lot of our political discourse, and certainly on the left

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01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: of center, we've taken worker power to be synonymous with

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01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: big labor and labor unions of this particular type. You know,

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01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: there are plenty of ways in which Republicans have long

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01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: been interested in worker power. If you take immigration restriction

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: as an example, you know, the idea that we probably

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01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't be essentially operating an open border and allowing unlimited,

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01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: low skilled, low wage labor into the kind cory is

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01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: in part an argument about concern for worker power and

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01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: the leverage that less skilled American workers are going to

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: have in the labor market now. Unfortunately, Democrats for other

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01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: reasons have no interest in talking about that. But it's

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01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I think certainly the case at this point that conservatives

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01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: broadly and a lot of our politicians care a lot

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01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: about worker power, and the question is what would be

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01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: the right way to do that. The problem with the

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01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: Proact is that it is just a big labor bill.

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01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: It is just a bill designed to get more workers

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01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: into the nineteen thirties style labor unions, with the problem

1648
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 1: being that workers don't really like nineteen thirty style labor unions.

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01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's an enormous amount of survey data going

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01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: back decades that shows that if you ask workers what

1651
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 1: would they prefer an organization representing them run solely by workers,

1652
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: or one run jointly by management and workers by large majorities,

1653
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: workers say they would prefer something jointly run. If you

1654
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: ask them whether they would prefer something that has no

1655
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: power but cooperates with management, or something that has power

1656
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: but is opposed by management, workers say they would prefer

1657
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: the cooperation. And then when you start asking them about

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01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: what unions do today, one thing you see particularly is

1659
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: they cannot stand the way that big labor is involved

1660
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: in politics. Big labor has become an harm of the

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01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and the issues that they push often have

1662
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what workers actually want. So it

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01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: seems to me we should be creating a suite of

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01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: options that let workers organize, that let workers have voice

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01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: and representation in ways that are going to reflect their

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01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: own preferences. And I'm not here to say we should

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01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: get rid of the NLRA, the National Labor Relations to

1668
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: act if if someone wants to organize and form a union,

1669
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: they should have that right. But let's recognize that that's

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01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: down to about six percent of the public of the

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01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: private sector workforce. As far as I can tell, there

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01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: are no recent surveys that actually indicate a majority of

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01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,879
Speaker 1: workers want to join a union. And under our system,

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01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: if you can't get to majority support, you don't get

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01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: a union. So I'd actually end right where Paul started,

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01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: which is, if the alternative is nothing, this is a

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01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: good idea, and for most workers right now, the alternative

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01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: is nothing, And so I think anyone serious about worker

1679
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: power and giving workers more options. Should want to give

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01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: them this option too. Paul, let me get your response

1681
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: to that critique, because I think this is actually quite salient.

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01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 1: You know, you have the American Compass survey of actual

1683
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: American workers by a three to one margin. There they

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01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: say they would prefer a worker organization and focuses only

1685
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: on workplace issues and not one that is engaged in

1686
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: national political issues. To say, also, we saw and this

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01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: is anecdotal, and that we're not dismissing any of the

1688
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: screwery that was happening with Amazon, but there was a

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01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 1: frustration by the actual black workers of Bessemer, Alabama that

1690
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: they were even signal too about BLM as opposed to

1691
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: actual higher wages and part why they decided not to

1692
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: vote for a union at least in that election. Given

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01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: all the irregularity. Well, what do you make then of

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Speaker 1: a critique that big labor is essentially an arm of

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01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: progressive cultural activism specifically, and that given that it doesn't

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01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: necessarily represent a lot of worker interests. Yeah, there's a

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01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: lot to cover there. Well. First, so going back to

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01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: that American Compass survey, and so maybe I was reading

1699
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 1: something different, but I remember clearly the question was asked

1700
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: to those workers in the survey, you know, would you

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01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: join a union, and the plurality said yes, and the

1702
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: second largest numbers said they weren't sure, And it was

1703
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the third largest section that said no. And so that

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01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. What that shows is again a plurality

1705
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: actually would. There's a large section that do not know,

1706
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: which does not surprise me, given that many people just

1707
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: do not know about unions now. But what happens during

1708
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: a union drive you learn about what a union could do. Now,

1709
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: of course that's balanced against you know, what management is

1710
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: going to do on the other side, but you know,

1711
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: so those numbers do not indicate to me that those

1712
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: workers overall like do not like existing unions. And I

1713
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: think to go to this, you know, this issue of

1714
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: unions involved in politics, I think we have to be

1715
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: very clear. It's one thing to say, you know, political

1716
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: legislation that affects workers, and there's another thing to say,

1717
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, like woke politics. And actually,

1718
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: I think the reality of the labor movement today is

1719
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: actually they focus the vast majority of their resources and

1720
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: focus on administering contracts and negotiations. And actually this is

1721
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: actually something a critique by many leftists that a lot

1722
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: of people on the left wish unions in the United

1723
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 1: States were more political, wish they took on more social issues.

1724
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, the reality is that

1725
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: many of them actually do not do that. They do

1726
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: focus on political legislation that affects them, but of course

1727
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: they do. You know, the National Labor Relations Board matters,

1728
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: right to work, legislation matters for workers, so of course

1729
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: they're going to focus on those political issues, just like

1730
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce. You know, they focus on their

1731
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: political issues, and they by far outspend labor unions on

1732
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: these political questions. Now, it could be fair to say

1733
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: say that, you know, I think unions overall need to

1734
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: do a better job of communicating to their members of

1735
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: why they are getting involved in politics and why certain

1736
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: issues are important. But I got to say, you know,

1737
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: and I you know, I take that critique about what

1738
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 1: happened Investmer, you know, I think that is fair, And

1739
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: you know, Jane mcley, I think wrote a really good

1740
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: kind of post mortem on that that got into some

1741
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: of those issues. But I will say, overall, my experience

1742
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: has been that you know, labor really does focus on

1743
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: those bread and butter issues. And again for the very

1744
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 1: small amount of workers that are in these unions, which

1745
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately is a small amount, you see the difference. I mean,

1746
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: by far, their wages are better, their benefits are better,

1747
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: their job security is better. So even in this period

1748
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: where unions are admittedly on the defensive, are weaker, you know,

1749
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: they still are delivering for many members, and they do

1750
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: that by focusing on those bread and butter issues. Well

1751
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 1: and Arne, you have approval of labor unions at its

1752
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: highest point since nineteen sixty five, so two thirds of

1753
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Americans approve of labor unions. And yet because you have

1754
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, companies able to engage in incredibly aggressive tactics

1755
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: and just blatantly flouting the law frequent times, as we

1756
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: saw in the case of Amazon, and as we're witnessing

1757
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: right now in Starbucks, you have a very low level

1758
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: of unionization. At the same time, you know, one of

1759
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: the things that has happened is as Republicans shifted to

1760
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: taking an aggressive anti union stance of course with Reagan

1761
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: and active union busting, of course, labor unions have moved

1762
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: more into the Democratic Party camp. But coming from you know,

1763
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: having lived in a state like Kentucky, I can tell

1764
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: you still at the state level there are Republican legislators

1765
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 1: that support labor unions and that receive labor union support

1766
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: in turn. So isn't part of the problem the fact

1767
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 1: that Republicans have abandoned the labor of movement and given

1768
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 1: unions no choice but to ally with and side with

1769
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: Democratic politicians who are the only ones at this point,

1770
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: and they don't all consistently do it, but who are

1771
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 1: the only ones that you know, really consistently back their

1772
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: rights to even exist. Well, just as a factual matter,

1773
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: I think of the history a little bit backward. There were,

1774
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: of course, a lot of Republicans, even at the national level,

1775
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: who were supportive of labor unions right into the nineteen nineties,

1776
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: and it was after the Gingrich takeover in Congress when

1777
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: Republicans suddenly had a majority for the first time, you know,

1778
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: going back to the fifties, I think that labor unions

1779
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: turned around and said, well, then that's it, we're just

1780
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: where you're going all in for the Democrats and abandoned

1781
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 1: Republican politicians who might have been pro labor. So that's

1782
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: not to say certainly Republican politicians haven't done plenty wrong

1783
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: as well, but there is plenty on both sides to

1784
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 1: point to in the problem of polarization that we have today.

1785
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,600
Speaker 1: I think the broader problem, Crystal with the way you

1786
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: frame the question is that you assume that the labor

1787
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 1: unions are themselves that's relevant, and they're not. They're supposed

1788
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: to be representatives of workers, so the question isn't what

1789
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: the labor boss want. I think that's fair. I think

1790
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: that's fair. But there are some really significant fights going

1791
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: on right now with UAW and Teamsters, two large and

1792
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: incredibly consequential unions that are exactly about what you're talking about,

1793
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: making the unions themselves more representative of the democratic will

1794
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of the membership. So you know, why not engage in

1795
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: some of those fights to make labor unions more accountable

1796
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: to their membership something I would certainly support, rather than

1797
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: providing this alternative mechanism that ultimately, you know, has no

1798
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: voting power on the board and doesn't offer the opportunity

1799
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: for workers to be able to collectively bargain. Well, I

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01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: think that's great if Big Labor is actually now working

1801
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: on trying to more effectively represent their members. It's a

1802
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: shame that that we've come to the point where we

1803
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 1: have to sort of point to that and celebrate that

1804
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: instead of taking it for granted. But none of that

1805
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: address is the question of whether other options would be

1806
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,839
Speaker 1: valuable as well. And as I said, there's there's decades

1807
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: of research now showing that a lot of workers don't

1808
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: want a union, and what most workers would prefer is

1809
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: something more like what's in this bill now. I think

1810
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things we should also do

1811
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: to reform labor law. But to the extent that we're

1812
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: discussing this bill and should people be voting yes or

1813
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: no on it, it seems to me I'm still not

1814
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: clear what the case is for voting no on it.

1815
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of things that could do that

1816
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: are good, that are better than nothing. I think a

1817
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: non voting board seat is still incredibly important if you

1818
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: thinking about how boards work. Very rarely is the issue

1819
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: one of a split vote coming down to one vote.

1820
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 1: It's about who's there, who's participating, It's about building trust,

1821
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 1: it's about the flow of information. So I'm still waiting

1822
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: to hear why we shouldn't do this' these well, you know,

1823
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 1: the case we're voting no is that it's clear how

1824
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: compon is they're going to use this. They're going to

1825
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: use this to box out unions and to further weaken

1826
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: their power and to muddy the waters for workers of

1827
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: what true representation is. And again, employers are currently not

1828
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 1: prevented from currently doing this. And I mean, maybe I

1829
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: can end on this. I mean, if we want to

1830
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: talk about worker power to really improve their lives, we

1831
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 1: just witnessed in last year two big private sector strips

1832
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: at John Deere and Kellobs. These workers fought like hell

1833
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: for something very basic like increase wages, health benefits, end

1834
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: up two tier, not working you, insane shifts. They fought

1835
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: like hell and they you know, I think they were

1836
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: largely successful. But if they had to fight that hard

1837
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 1: just for that, do you really think having one worker

1838
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: a non voting seat on a board the companies are

1839
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: going to listen to them. No, They constantly have to

1840
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 1: fight for these things, and having a union in those

1841
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: situations was the only way they were going to be

1842
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: able to win that fight to at least get and

1843
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: again we're not talking about something crazy or five percent

1844
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: to increase no cut set our health benefits. But that

1845
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 1: showed us yet again, that was the tool that could

1846
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: get them to win. And I just think it's delusional

1847
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: to think one seat where you can't even vote, that

1848
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: these big corporate giants are going to listen to work.

1849
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: I just I've never seen it really in history. I'm

1850
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: not going to see it now. I don't think, gentlemen

1851
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: appreciate both of your perspectives very much. We're going to

1852
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: include the link to the report from American Compass for

1853
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: Orrin and also the link to Jackman Show and Paul's

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Speaker 1: Senate campaign State Senate campaign as well in the descriptions

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Speaker 1: that you guys can check out more. But thank you

1856
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 1: both so much for your time here analysis. Thanks guys,

1857
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,520
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1860
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Speaker 1: going to be me and Sager, Kyle and Marshall. So

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01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: the whole realignment KKs Secular Talk team will be right

1906
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Speaker 1: here in the studio a couching his Channel two and

1907
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Speaker 1: so we'll do pre analysis, will stream the speech live,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll do post analysis as well with a

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Speaker 1: couple of special guests. So something we are very very

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Speaker 1: excited about, something we'll be doing more of this year,

1911
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Speaker 1: and that you guys made possible, big news possible. It's

1912
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: literally only because your support, because it does cost money

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Speaker 1: in order to put those live shows on. Even more,

1914
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 1: we're hiring some awesome new people. You're going to see

1915
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Speaker 1: some new faces on the channel. You already saw that

1916
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 1: Matt Stolar video as well, So look, you know we

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Speaker 1: do it all, you know, because they're loving the Stolar content. Yeah,

1918
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Speaker 1: it's doing really well. You knows about weed, which once

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Speaker 1: again I guess I have to wear pro weed propaganda

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Speaker 1: on our own channel already. But that it just goes

1921
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Speaker 1: to show you I'm not going to censor anybody whenever

1922
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Speaker 1: I've heard them. So there we go. Thank you all

1923
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: so much for your support. We will see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Love y'all, have a good one.