1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Fifty years ago, 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: one man asked a question that changed the way the 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: modern world talks about death. He gave a name to 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: an experience that millions have had, but few had ever 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: dared to speak of. That man is doctor Raymond Moody, 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: and the name he gave us is the Near Death Experience. 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Today we're going to celebrate this incredible fifty year anniversary. 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: We'll dive into the story of how doctor Moody's journey began, 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and we'll hear a profound story of someone who crossed 26 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: that threshold and returned with undeniable proof. And we'll give 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: you a front row seat to an upcoming once in 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: a lifetime event where you can join the pioneers of 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: ND research to celebrate this golden anniversary. So get ready, 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: because today we are exploring fifty years of life, love, 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: and the undeniable proof that our consciousness continues. Most of 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: us have heard the term near death experience, but to 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: understand its power, we have to go back to nineteen 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: sixty five. Raymond Moody was a university student when he 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: first heard psychiatrist doctor George Ritchie speak about an event 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: that had happened to him decades earlier. In nineteen forty three, 37 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: during World War II, a twenty year old soldier named 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,279 Speaker 1: George Ritchie was in an army hospital dying from pneumonia. 39 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: He was officially pronounced dead. For the next nine minutes, 40 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: his spirit left his body. He described floating above his bed, 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: watching as a sheet being pulled over his own face. 42 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: Completely bewildered. He then felt himself flying at tremendous speeds 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: toward a distant city, drawn by intense light. The light 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: resolved into a being of such brilliance and overwhelming love 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: that Richie immediately knew he was in the presence of 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: a divine being. This being of light communicated with him 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: not in words, but in pure thought, asking him a single, 48 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: profound question, what did you do with your life? This 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: question prompted an immediate panoramic life review, where Richie re 50 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: experienced his entire life, feeling the effects of his actions 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: on others. He was then told it was not his time, 52 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: and he was returned to his body, just as a doctor, 53 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: against all hope, was preparing a final injection of adrenaline 54 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: directly into his heart. That jolt brought him back to life. 55 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Hearing this incredible, detailed account from a respected psychiatrist planted 56 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: a seed in Raymond Moody's mind. He began to wonder 57 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: were there others? He started cautiously asking his students if 58 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: they knew of anyone who'd had an experience while being 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: close to death. To his surprise, many hands went up 60 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: and the stories poured in. And as he collected these accounts, 61 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: he noticed a stunning pattern. People from all walks of 62 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: life were describing the same core elements a blueprint of 63 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: the journey home. They spoke of an out of body 64 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: experience traveling through a tunnel towards a brilliant light that 65 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: radiated unconditional love. They spoke of encountering deceased loved ones, pets, parents, 66 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: spouse's friends, who were all vibrant and healthy, and so 67 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: many underwent that life review not as a judgment, but 68 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: as an educational experience to understand the ripple effect of 69 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: our every action. This research became his landmark nineteen seventy 70 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: five book, Life After Life, where he officially coined the 71 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: term near death experience, giving a name and a voice 72 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: two millions. What doctor Moody uncovered is that these experiences 73 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: are not frightening endings, but moments of profound spiritual freedom, 74 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes they come with evidence that is simply impossible 75 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: to explain away. Take the story of a woman named Vicki. 76 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, she was in the hospital, and 77 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: as she clinically died, she found herself floating out of 78 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: her body, watching the scene from the ceiling. There was 79 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: no fear, only peace. Then she was pulled through a 80 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: tunnel and emerged into a place of brilliant light and 81 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: pure love. In this realm, she was reunited with people 82 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: she had known in life who had already passed on. 83 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: But then a man she didn't recognize approached her. He 84 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: had a kind face and dark hair. He gently told 85 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: her that it wasn't her time, that her young son 86 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: still needed her. He showed her a vision of her 87 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: son's future to give her the strength to return. He 88 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: then took her hand and said, I will walk back 89 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: with you. The next thing she knew, she was gasping 90 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: for air, back in her physical body. The profound part 91 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: of Vicki's story came years later. She was looking through 92 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: old family photos with her mother when she came across 93 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: a picture of her father, who had died when she 94 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: was just a baby. She stopped cold. The man in 95 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: the photograph, the man she had never known in this life, 96 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: was the same kind faced man who had held her 97 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: hand and walked her back from the light. This is 98 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: a classic example of vertical or verifiable information knowledge gained 99 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: during an NDE that couldn't have been known otherwise. It's 100 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: powerful evidence suggesting these experiences are very, very real. This 101 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: incredible legacy of research started by one man asking a question, 102 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: is being celebrated in a huge way this year. The 103 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: International Association for Near Death Studies also called IONS, it's 104 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: hosting its twenty twenty five conference and the theme is 105 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: celebrating fifty years of life, after life and the nd 106 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: It's a gathering for the world's leading researchers, doctors and 107 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: near death experiencers, all coming together to honor doctor Moody's 108 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: work and explore the future of this research. And I 109 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: understand you may be listening to this episode of Shades 110 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: in the Afterlife in the future, but fear not. Every 111 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: year IONS holds their yearly conference, and all conferences are 112 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: recorded and you can find them on the website IONS 113 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: dot org. Speaking of the leaders continuing this work, the 114 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: man who is now the President elect of Ian's, the 115 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: very organization that upholds this legacy, is our guest for 116 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: the rest of this episode. His name is Evan Meetcham 117 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: and his own profound near death experience is a testament 118 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: to the transformative power we've been talking about. So as 119 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: we celebrate fifty years of the ND, let's hear from 120 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: the man who is helping to lead this research into 121 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the next fifty. Let's meet mister Evan Meetchim. 122 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: I was a businessman for many years, building things from nothing, 123 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: creating a space for people to join me and make 124 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: money and move forward. It was an exciting way to 125 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: live my younger life. I had an experience in a 126 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: car accident where I ran myself right into a semi 127 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: truck and changed my world forever. It was so fascinating 128 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: to me because little by little my life changed. It 129 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: took me many years of step by step progress to 130 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: step away from the businesses and things that I was 131 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: doing and move myself in a totally new direction. I 132 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: felt driven to be of service to people. I felt 133 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: driven to speak differently, act differently towards others. So I 134 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: chose a different path and I went back to school 135 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 3: became a trans personal psychologist. I went to Atlantic University 136 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: in Virginia, a life altering experience to be surrounded by 137 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: people who think like I thought, and to see life 138 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: as an eternal progression. I began to volunteer everywhere, and 139 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,479 Speaker 3: I worked with a local food bank here in Colorado, 140 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: and I became a counselor for them, basically a case worker, 141 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: if you will. And I got to work with all 142 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: kinds of wonderful people who were impoverished because of circumstance 143 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: and other things that affected their life. What an experience 144 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: to work with people and encourage them to come back 145 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: and give it a second try and push forward. It's 146 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: amazing when you reach your handout and you help someone 147 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: and then you ask them to pass that along start 148 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: to develop a whole line of individuals that have a 149 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: more positive perspective on life. It's a wonderful thing to 150 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: see people come back and make it in life and 151 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: do it with an attitude of kindness to each other. 152 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, you are a classic shining star example of 153 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: the after effects that happen when somebody has an ND, 154 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: and it's the giving and making sure people know you 155 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: don't have to have an end to reap these rewards. So, 156 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: if it's okay with you, would you mind taking us 157 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: back to the car accident. What happened, certainly talk about 158 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: the after effects, and I definitely want to talk about 159 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: the conference, but I know my listeners are on their 160 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: edge of their seat because it's the really those stories 161 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: that really have us go wow, Okay, there is something more. 162 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: There certainly is, and there's so much to learn. I 163 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: think back about that incident and it's amazing how such 164 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: a short, quick thing can alter your perspective and alter 165 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: it for so many years and drive you onward to 166 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: expand and alter your life for all the right reasons. 167 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: I was driving home from work. I was in the 168 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: Rocky Mountains, and I was living on one side of 169 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: a mountain and going to work on the other. This 170 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 3: was in the late winter, early spring, and the roads 171 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: were still wet. The snow would melt during the daytime 172 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: and then it would freeze at nighttime. And I had 173 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: stayed at work until very late, and I was driving home, 174 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: and I was pushing myself and driving way too fast, 175 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: as I often did in those days. I was driving 176 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: on this very windy mountain road and to head it 177 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: for the Interstate at the bottom of the mountain about 178 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: thirty five minutes away. As I crested a little hill, 179 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: I saw in my headlights a very large mule deer, 180 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: a male mule deer with what looked like a massive 181 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: rack of horns on its head. I could see that 182 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: I was going to hit that deer and that it 183 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 3: would come right over the hood of my car and 184 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: into my lap, and I wanted to avoid that at 185 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: all costs, so I jerked my wheel to the left, 186 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 3: and I went around the deer and missed the deer. 187 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: And when I turned the wheel back again to come 188 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: back into my lane of traffic, I hit a wet 189 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: or slick spot and I simply kept sliding. The car 190 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 3: never recovered, and I went into the other lane of traffic, 191 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: and the very first vehicle coming up the hill was 192 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: a semi truck. 193 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: Time for a quick break. 194 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 195 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 196 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 197 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Let's continue 198 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: with Evan Meacham's near death experience last week. Knew he 199 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: was coming home from work on a very icy mountain road. 200 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: As I crested a little hill, I saw in my 201 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: headlights a very large mule deer, a male mule deer 202 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: with what looked like a massive rack of horns on 203 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: its head. I could see that I was going to 204 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: hit that deer and that it would come right over 205 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: the hood of my car and into my lap, and 206 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to avoid that at all costs. So I 207 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: jerked my wheel to the left, and I went around 208 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: the deer and missed the deer. And when I turned 209 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: the wheel back again to come back into my lane 210 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: of traffic, I hit a wet or slick spot and 211 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: I simply kept sliding. The car never recovered, and I 212 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: went into the other lane of traffic, and the very 213 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: first vehicle coming up the hill was a semi truck. 214 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: That truck literally cut my vehicle in half from right 215 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: behind the driver's side front wheel right back to the 216 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: right side tail lights. That vehicle was cut in half 217 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: and demolished. I remember the last thing that flashed through 218 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: my mind was, oh, my goodness, it's a head on. 219 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: That's all I remember of the actual accident. After some 220 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: time I gained consciousness. I found myself laying on the 221 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: floor of the car. I tried to move and tried 222 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: to raise my right arm up and put the old 223 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: on the seat and try to pull myself up. I 224 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: couldn't move. Nothing seemed to work in my body anymore, 225 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: and so I just laid back down on the floor 226 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: of the car and tried to gain some understanding of 227 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: what was happening to me. I don't know exactly how 228 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: long I laid in that position, but it being in 229 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: the top of the mountains and being still the end 230 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: of winter, it was very cold and it was very uncomfortable. 231 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: And then as time went on, the pain started to come, 232 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: and I knew that I was wounded terribly and that 233 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: there was something very wrong with my body because it 234 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: just wouldn't move. I found it really difficult to breathe, 235 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: and it was excruciatingly painful. I tried to move again, 236 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: and something right in the middle of my back just 237 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: felt like I was being stabbed with a middle rod, 238 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: and everything below that point just went numb. So I 239 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: couldn't feel my legs anymore, and I started the most 240 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: interesting process. I started to look at myself and feel 241 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: everywhere I could feel and try to figure out what 242 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: I had left. It was very interesting because instead of 243 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: being upset that I couldn't feel, I was more engaged 244 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: in trying to determine what I had left, which is 245 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: an interesting thing to think about, and that's been a 246 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: big part of the process of how I've lived my 247 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: life since that time. Always look for what's left, What 248 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: do you have to work with, What do you have 249 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: that you can apply and move forward. Don't spend any 250 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: time wasting your efforts on what you've lost. Let's look 251 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: at what you've got left and how you can use it. 252 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: So I remember people came to the vehicle and they 253 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: called out to me to see if I was okay, 254 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: and they told me that they had called the emergency services. 255 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: Now this is quite some time ago, so we didn't 256 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: have nine one one in those days. And I was 257 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: on the top of a mountain, so somebody had to 258 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: find a little farmhouse and go use the phone to call. 259 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 3: And they said that emergency services had been contacted and 260 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: they'll be at least another thirty five minutes. Coming up 261 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: the mountain. There was, I guess, a little hospital at 262 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: the bottom of the mountain. So I had nothing to 263 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: do but lay back, and as I did, I had 264 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: the most amazing experience. I became almost unconscious, if you will, 265 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: and incredibly focused and I went through my life from 266 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: a little child to the current time, and I saw 267 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 3: so many experiences that I had, and I had an 268 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: amazing younger life. My parents were kind and loving. They 269 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: never ever made me feel that I wasn't loved and accepted. 270 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: My father was I'm one of the kindest men I've 271 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: ever known. So I had these beautiful feelings and I 272 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: was so grateful. And then I saw myself and I 273 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: had incredible experiences with my inner talk, if you will, 274 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: and I always felt because I had been born Christian, 275 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: I always felt that I was speaking to Jesus when 276 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: I had these experiences, and I would ask questions and 277 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: I would get answers. I remember all of those things, 278 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 3: and it put me into a mood of being so 279 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: grateful for this opportunity to live and for having the 280 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 3: life that I did. And I had found love, I 281 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: had married, I had three little children at the time. 282 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: It was a beautiful walk through my younger years, and 283 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: I remember saying that I was very grateful for my life. 284 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: I began to stop shivering. I don't know if my 285 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: body actually stopped worry if it was just the fact 286 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: that I was bleeding out and moving into the death process. 287 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: I began to feel less cold, I began to feel 288 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: less pain. I remember closing my eyes and putting my 289 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: head back, and I went through this process of actually 290 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: stepping away from my body, and it was fascinating. When 291 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: you are leaving this life, you have only your feelings 292 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: and only your experiences to guide you that there is 293 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: something else. I remember saying to myself that whether or 294 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: not there is anything else that follows this, I'm grateful 295 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: for my life. And I said thank you to God, 296 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: and I laid back down and I left my body. 297 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: I had no idea what was going to happen. I 298 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: found myself on my face. What has really been very 299 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: difficult to describe over the years. It was almost a 300 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: little bit foggy on the ground. It was firm, but 301 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: I couldn't make out what it was constructed of. I 302 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: remember raising my head and looking around and then putting 303 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: my hands, and as I did that, I could see 304 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: right through my hands. And I pushed myself up and 305 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: I looked around and I was in this incredible space 306 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: where this platform, or this fogginess spread out as a floor. 307 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: And then I looked up and I saw the Milky 308 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: Way galaxy, and it was magnificent. It had colors that 309 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: I had never seen before. The darkness had a richness 310 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: to it. The stars were so brilliant and outstanding, and 311 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: he would see pinks and other colors that flashed through 312 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: the universe. I looked forward and I saw a group 313 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: of what I thought were spirits or ethereal beings, and 314 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 3: they were all light and beautiful. I was not able 315 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: to differentiate who they were. I did not know, but 316 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: they were calling to me, and their call I saw 317 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: inside brain, if you will, in my head. It wasn't 318 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: in words, it was in pictures, and I knew I 319 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: was being called and summoned. I thought I would have 320 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: to get up, but the reality is that I just 321 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: moved towards them, floating very quickly, and once I was there, 322 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 3: I was surrounded by these beings and I felt an 323 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 3: incredible wave of love that wrapped me and embraced me 324 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: and loved me. I felt welcomed, I felt accepted. There 325 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 3: was no judgment, there was no criticism, there was no 326 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: weighing of things. There was only a deep embrace of 327 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: complete acceptance and love. Everything that I had been concerned with. 328 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: As I laid in that car, thinking, Oh my gosh, 329 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: how am I going to take care of my family? 330 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: I just got this new job. How am I going 331 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: to work through this job? I need the money, I 332 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: have to make the payments. All of the have tos 333 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: of life that perplex us all every day were flowing 334 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: through me in that car. And now I'm standing surrounded 335 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: by these angels of light and they're loving me, and 336 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: they're embracing me, and they're accepting me, and every single concern, 337 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: every stress that I felt a moment ago was gone. 338 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: I knew that everything was going to be all right, 339 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: everything was going to be the way it's supposed to be. 340 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: As I stayed there, I felt a feeling for the 341 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: first time in my physical life. I felt free. I 342 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: was released from all of the burdens of the third dimension. 343 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 3: These beings that weren't bracing me, they took away every 344 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: feeling that I was concerned about. It was gone. It 345 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: was gone, and I knew all would be well. As 346 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: I looked up and I saw this incredible picture of 347 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: the Milky Way galaxy and you could see the stars 348 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: in the background, I realized that I am a part 349 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 3: of all of this. And the second great lesson that 350 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: I learned was that no matter how tiny I was, 351 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: I still was a part of this incredible creation. The 352 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: creation is a multiverse, It is multiple dimensions, It is massive. 353 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: What God has done is so much bigger than a 354 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 3: human being can possibly comprehend. And I knew I was 355 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: a part of God, and that everything everyone, every person 356 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: sentioned being wherever they might be found, was a part 357 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: of this universe. Those incredible beings that were embracing me 358 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: and filling me with energy and filling me with light 359 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 3: and love. Little me and all the little means on 360 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: the planet that I just left, we're all a part 361 00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: of this. 362 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: Care We're going to stop for our break here because 363 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: there's much much more. But did you know that beyond 364 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: the famous tunnel, many near death experiencers report arriving at 365 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: a breathtaking city of light. They consistently describe it as 366 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: a place of stunning architecture made of crystal or light, 367 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: vibrant colors that don't exist on Earth, and vast libraries 368 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: or halls of learning where souls continue to study the 369 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: mysteries of the universe. We'll be right back with more 370 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: from Evan Meacham. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 371 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 372 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 373 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: We're celebrating fifty years since doctor Raymond Moody first coined 374 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: the term near death experience. But did you know that 375 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: the very first detailed account of a near death experience 376 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: was in Western literature and is over twenty four hundred 377 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: years old. In his famous book Republic, the ancient Greek 378 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: philosopher Plato tells the myth of Er, a story of 379 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: a soldier who dies on a battlefield, journeys to the afterlife, 380 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: and returns twelve days later to describe a world of light, 381 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: spiritual judgment, and reincarnation. Now let's continue with Evan Meecham's 382 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: account of his near death experience. Last he was being 383 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: embraced by these beautiful beings of light. 384 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: Those incredible beings that were embracing me and filling me 385 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: with energy and filling me with light and love. Little 386 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 3: me and all the little me's on the planet that 387 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: I just left, we're all a part of this creation, 388 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: and we're important. It was an incredible change of perspective 389 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: how can you not look at everyone and not feel 390 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: that they're a part of you and you've got them. 391 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure these things knew exactly what was going on 392 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: and exactly what I was going to do. But they 393 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: told me that I can stay near home or you 394 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 3: can go back. But this is your decision and you 395 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: have to make that. And I thought, oh my gosh, 396 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: a third thing to remember, right, that we have the choice. 397 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 3: I realized we made the choice to come in the 398 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: first place, and we made it from a point of love. 399 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: Now we've forgotten that, but we chose to come, and 400 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: we had a sole purpose, a soul mission, if you will, 401 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: and we came here to fulfill that. And once we 402 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: can grasp and comprehend that we chose this, and that 403 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: we have a path, that we're part of the oneness, 404 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: that we never die, we're part of God. And this 405 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: entire creation changes how you perceive this opportunity, and you 406 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: begin to call it an opportunity, and you begin to 407 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: call your peers and your friends and everyone else friends. 408 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: We're all here together. We're all here to do something 409 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: that our soul desperately wants to do and fulfill. So 410 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: they said, choose what we to be in. Of course, 411 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 3: the first thing I thought about were my little children, 412 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: and I thought, I'd really like to see how their 413 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: life turns out. I'd like to see them on their path. 414 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: Right as soon as I thought, I was shot back 415 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: into my body, back in that car, on the floor, 416 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 3: freezing to death, broken and feeling all the pain that 417 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: we feel here in this third dimension when we're broken 418 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: to pieces. Right, and I'm screaming. First of all, it 419 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: was so difficult to get back into that body. My 420 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: body was being lifted up by the first responders, and 421 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: they were using the jaws of life to tear off 422 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: the door and to tear off the roof of the vehicle, 423 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: and they had slipped a bodyboard down underneath me, and 424 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: they were pulling me out, and I was screaming in pain, 425 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: and I was back and they loaded me into the 426 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: ambulance and for another thirty five minute ride down the mountain, 427 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: and an incredible thing happened. There's a little hospital at 428 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: the bottom of this mountain, and it's right on the Interstate, 429 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: this other road that I had been riding on, driving on, 430 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 3: and they had so many accidents that they decided that 431 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: they would develop a trauma team at this hospital, and 432 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: benowns to me for sure it was the night that 433 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: they had their very first meeting as the trauma team, 434 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: and all these doctors were there in their suits because 435 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: they were at a meeting, right. But there was a 436 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: whole team of doctors that were specialists from all around 437 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 3: the country who had been brought to this hospital to 438 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: lead this trauma team and help this hospital be of 439 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: service to all the people who needed help. So I'm 440 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: rushed in, I'm placed on this table, and there is 441 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: this cacophony of sounds and people doing things and doctors 442 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: coming at you from every place in the world, right, 443 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: And they're all probing and pushing and sticking. And they 444 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: had no time because I had literally nearly bled out. 445 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: They had to do their work very quickly, and so 446 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: it was very painful. And they were about to rush 447 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: me into the operating room. They had stabilized me, and 448 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: I said to the doctor that was closest to me, 449 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: said would you pray for me? And this doctor didn't 450 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: know me. I'm just some guy on the road, and 451 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: he said yes, and he started to pray, and all 452 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: the sounds that went quiet. It was like everything shut off. 453 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: And this doctor prayed for me and said a beautiful prayer. 454 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: I was so grateful. Can you imagine most doctors praying 455 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 3: for him. What an incredible man he was. And when 456 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: he was done, he said amen. The noise started up again, 457 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: and off we went to the operating and my life 458 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: started again. But it started again with a great insight too, 459 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: how important my life was. I came to Earth for 460 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: me and to learn these things, and to walk my 461 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: soul's mission, and to do it in kindness and in 462 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: love for all of God's creation. That's my story. 463 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: I just want to give you a big hug right now. 464 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 465 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: Well, on one hand, I'm sorry you went through it. 466 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'm grateful you went through it 467 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: because of the difference you've made, And I think that 468 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: just shows each and every one of us the difference 469 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: we can make. I wanted to bring up one thing 470 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: you and others that have had NDEs. It's hard to 471 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: put into words, the colors, the love, all of that, 472 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: But you said that this incredible light would require fifty 473 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: thousand crans to really describe. Is that what you're talking 474 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: about so vivid? 475 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: I love that you're bringing it up. That was something 476 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: that was said by someone else, but I quoted it 477 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: because I thought it was so brilliant. You know, we 478 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: have for all of our little children who loved to 479 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 3: draw and love to make paintings and to crayon drawings, 480 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: we have these little box of crayons, right. And I 481 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: remember when I was a young child, I got for 482 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: a birthday, I got this great, big box of I 483 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: think there were forty eight crayons in this box, right, 484 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: And I thought, Oh my goodness, I can color everything, 485 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: and I can find just the perfect color for whatever 486 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: I want to draw. And I read how an individual 487 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: who had a similar experience to me said, here we 488 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: are with forty eight crayons, when if you could see 489 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: the colors eyes, you'd need fifty thousand crayons. Don't you 490 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: love that? Don't you just love that? It's so expanding. 491 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: We get so focused and tunneled in our lives, and 492 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 3: we get pulled and our focus becomes myopic. And if 493 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: you just step back, take a deep breath, and open 494 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 3: your eyes to a much broader perspective, you see the 495 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: world in such a different way, and you realize how 496 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 3: massive it all is, and that there's always choices to 497 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: be made. There's always different ways to approach everything, and 498 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: there's always something to be grateful for. 499 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I am one hundred percent positive your road to 500 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: recovery is probably a very long one. But I also 501 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: want to ask you what you experienced. Did you know 502 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: what the time Raymond Moody and others were out with 503 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: near death experiences. Had you heard any stories like this then? 504 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: Or was there a road to connect? Because I do 505 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about our fabulous friends and I ins 506 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: what was that like for you? The recuperation and also 507 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: this search as to what's this bigger picture? What was that? 508 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: You know? Are there other people that have had that? 509 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: Indeed, I think it was for me very long and 510 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: a lovely road. I loved the path that I have walked. 511 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 3: I loved history. My college degree was in history. I 512 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: love it right. So I knew how to research and 513 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: I dived into things. I found myself being pulled towards 514 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 3: understanding of how other people see things. So I reached 515 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 3: out and became very interested in Buddhism. And I didn't 516 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 3: just read about it. I went and practiced it right 517 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 3: and learned how to meditate. I found an incredible organization 518 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: here called Naropa it's right here in Boulder. The organization 519 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: has a wonderful mountain retreat where there's a giant stupa. 520 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 3: I went up and took their classes. I thrived in 521 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: the atmosphere that they provided there, which was open and 522 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 3: non judgmental. It made me feel at home again right. 523 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 3: There was no judgment. There was just welcoming and opportunities 524 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: to learn and to be uplifted, and to learn to 525 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 3: go inside and calm yourself, and ways to practice meditation 526 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: and ways to touch spirit again. It was wonderful. I 527 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: went from that to Hinduism, and I became very close 528 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: to a group that's up in Loveland and run by 529 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 3: an incredible tsunami up there. We're still incredibly good friends. 530 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 3: And I enjoyed him so much, and I learned so much. 531 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 3: And I researched every real and every idea, every philosophy, 532 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 3: and I found truth and love and all of them. 533 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 3: I realized that everyone here. It gave real understanding to 534 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: the idea that I had felt when I had crossed 535 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 3: over right, that we are all here to find our 536 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: own path and to live out our soul's mission, that 537 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 3: everyone and every culture has ways of finding spirit again, 538 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 3: and ways to teach us to love each other and 539 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 3: accept that we're all part of this incredible creation. 540 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: We're going to take our break now, and when we 541 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: come back, we'll find out about Evans Road to meet 542 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: up with the International Association for Near Death Studies, the 543 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: largest resource in the world, and their huge conference coming 544 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: up in Chicago that you can watch online or you 545 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: can join live. There's a lot going on and a 546 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: lot more coming up. 547 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 548 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 549 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 550 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Did you 551 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: know that when young children have near death experiences, they 552 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: often report seeing deceased grandparents they never met in life. 553 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: In many documented cases, a child will describe meeting a 554 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: kind man or woman that says I'm your grandpa, and 555 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: the child later correctly identifies them from an old family 556 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: photograph they had never seen before. Also, some of the 557 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: most compelling evidence for ndaase come from people who have 558 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: been blind since birth. Researchers like doctor Kenneth Ring have 559 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: documented incredible cases where blind from birth individuals report being 560 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: able to see for the very first time during their 561 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: nd accurately describing their own bodies, hospital rooms, and the 562 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: doctors working on them details they could not have possibly known. 563 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: So let's continue hearing from Evan meachin his Road to 564 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: Recovery and finding Ian's dot Org. 565 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 3: I researched every religion, every idea, every philosophy, and I 566 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 3: found truth and love and all of them. I realized 567 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 3: that everyone here. It gave real understanding to the idea 568 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: that I had felt when I had crossed over right, 569 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 3: that we are all here to find our own path 570 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 3: and to live out our soul's mission. That everyone and 571 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: every culture has ways of finding spirit again, and ways 572 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: to teach us to love each other and accept that 573 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 3: we're all part of this incredible creation. So I loved 574 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: the process. I became a vegetarian. My wife, my family 575 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 3: thought I was crazy because I was running around and 576 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,919 Speaker 3: going in all these different directions and had all these 577 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 3: new ideas and all these new feelings. I didn't really 578 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 3: understand what was happening to me. Not the talk was 579 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 3: not the podcasters like yourself that reach out and tell 580 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 3: people these wonderful messages. And so it was step by 581 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: step from me, and I went through a tremendous process 582 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 3: to understand who I was and what had happened to me. 583 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 3: And I loved every step that I made, and I 584 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 3: learned in every step that I took. It beautiful journey, 585 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 3: and I would do it all over again. When I 586 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 3: first became aware of ions, it was like finding my people, 587 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 3: if you will, right. And I remember the first time 588 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 3: I heard near death experience. I was in a class actually, 589 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 3: and I'm studying another modality, and they played a movie 590 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 3: where they talked about near death experiences. And I remember 591 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 3: seeing back in the classroom and I lost all track 592 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 3: of time and contemplating what I had just seen, and 593 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 3: the professor walks by me and he goes, Evan, why 594 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 3: are you still here? Everybody's gone, And I said, I 595 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 3: just realized that there's a name to what happened to me. 596 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 3: It's called a near death experience. That drove me to 597 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 3: find out if there were and obviously there was, right, 598 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 3: there was a local ions. In fact, there was one 599 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 3: in Denver and one in the Bolder, and I started 600 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 3: to attend these meetings and I was welcomed with open arms, 601 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 3: and it was lovely. It was so fulfilling right, And 602 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 3: I heard others talk about similar experiences, and it was 603 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 3: so satisfying, so calming. I was no longer alone, and 604 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: I could talk about all these things without any fear 605 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 3: of rolling eyes or acceptance of what I was speaking about. 606 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 3: So it was lovely. It was lovely. And the spirit 607 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: that you find in these local groups that we have, 608 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 3: we have over eighty of them around the world now, 609 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: and those little local groups, they reach over twenty two 610 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 3: thousand people every month with their meetings and their sharing groups, 611 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 3: and people are invited without judgment, without any criticism. You 612 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: are invited to share your stories. It's a beautiful thing. 613 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: I know just what you mean about finding your people, 614 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: finding your tribe. I spoke first in Philadelphia at the 615 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: conference and talk about finding like minded souls. And what's 616 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: interesting to me and I love, is you don't have 617 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: to have a near death experience to belong. And not 618 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: only are there the chapters around the world, but I've 619 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: been asked to speak on the Zoom groups. So the 620 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: chapters say in Chicago, people from all over the world 621 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: can watch the videos on YouTube from some of these chapters. 622 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: I love that, So the reach is out there, so 623 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: you don't need to have a near death experience. You 624 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: just have to be open minded. And I know since 625 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: COVID hit the world, a lot of in person things 626 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: shut down and were turned into online, but I feel 627 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: the ions conference yearly conference is just the biggest, the best. 628 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have the time to count all the speakers 629 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: that you have, but when I went to the website 630 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: conference dot ims dot com, it's going to be in 631 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: Chicago August twenty twenty five, and of course that's the 632 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: website for future conferences and also to watch past replays. 633 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: But I had this holy cow moment because not only 634 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: is it the fiftieth year since doctor Raymond coined the 635 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: term near death experiences, but you have some of the 636 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: biggest and top names of the doctors and scientifically minded people, 637 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: and so many of them I have interviewed. But you 638 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: got the best of the best there talking about the research. 639 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: Plus you have dozens upon dozens of actual experiencers who 640 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: have been there, so I know doctor Raymond Moody's going 641 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: to be there, Doctor Bruce Grayson, Jeffrey and Jodi Long, 642 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: Jan Holden Graham, Maxi, doctor Melvin Morse, Caroline May, William 643 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: Peters talking about shared death experiences. My new top favorite 644 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: is doctor Tom Neimi from Australia carrying on the work 645 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: of doctor Allan Botkin doing the induced after death communication 646 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: grief therapy. It's just incredible and so many more. 647 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 3: So if we. 648 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: Could just move into talking about conferences. Yeah, Now, I'm 649 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 1: fully aware of theo's people that can't attend the conference live, 650 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: so you can watch videos. Absolutely everything's there and many 651 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: years past videos are on demand. Plus there's always a 652 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: yearly conference going on. So while I want to have 653 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: a major thrust into having people joined for the twenty 654 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,720 Speaker 1: twenty five conference, I just want to keep it open 655 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: that there's an ongoing one if you can't make this one. 656 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: So could you talk a little bit about that, because 657 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: this is a big deal for people to find their 658 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: tribe and actually be able to talk to people one 659 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: on one who are interested in this. 660 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love the introduction you just said. You mentioned 661 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 3: all of the keynotes, and we are incredibly blessed this 662 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 3: year and there have been synchronicities that have happened so 663 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 3: that some of these speakers can come. Raymond Moody rarely 664 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 3: speaks anymore, and we literally will have Raymond Moody who 665 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 3: started all of this and gave a name to what 666 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 3: we're talking about. Thank you, doctor Moody for giving a 667 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 3: name to what happened to me. I appreciate it. You 668 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 3: helped me define it, and I'm very grateful. Raymond Moody 669 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 3: is coming in person, and we have a movie that 670 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 3: has been done, an interview of Raymond Moody, and I 671 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 3: have seen a screening of this. The public has not 672 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 3: been allowed to see this yet, but it will be 673 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 3: introduced at our conference this year, so you'll see it 674 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 3: for the first time at the conference. And Raymond Moody 675 00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 3: does an absolutely incredible job talking about his life and 676 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 3: how the book Life After Life was written and how 677 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 3: it came to be, and to all the research that 678 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 3: he's done in his life which has helped develop this experience, 679 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 3: this reality, if you will, into something that can be 680 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 3: studied and understood and spread from soul to soul. So 681 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for the pioneers like doctor Moody. We also 682 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 3: have doctor Hennessy Powell with us from the Telepathy tapes, 683 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 3: and she is one of the top presenters in the 684 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 3: world today about the new science that's coming forth where 685 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 3: we're starting to look at human beings as souls not 686 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 3: just material objects. And to her work with the children 687 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 3: of autism who are on the spectrum and their ability 688 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 3: to have communication skills that are beyond anything that we 689 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 3: can imagine. Has turned the world on its head and 690 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 3: open a lot of eyes to how incredible the human 691 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 3: being truly is. And we have doctor PRIs Grayson, as 692 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 3: you said, and what wonderful work he's done. And we 693 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 3: have Chaz Ebert joining us, who will be on a 694 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 3: panel with William Peters, and they have a brand new 695 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,439 Speaker 3: movie called Suffering into Gold and it is an incredible 696 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 3: movie as well, that will be on Wednesday night before 697 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,919 Speaker 3: our conference. And Chaz Ebert, she is still very much 698 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 3: loved in the Chicago lands and she has over a 699 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 3: million followers, so we're incredibly lucky to have her. But 700 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 3: we have one hundred and twenty speakers. We have one 701 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty. Wow, we have one hundred and twenty 702 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 3: and they are people like me. Many of them are 703 00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 3: the people who've had these experiences, who have gone through 704 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 3: the pain of death, who have stepped over and gone 705 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 3: back home and then chosen to come back. They're the 706 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 3: ones that all these people are writing about. They're the 707 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 3: ones that can share their heart and their soul experiences 708 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:28,280 Speaker 3: with everyone who has ever contemplated death? And what that is? It? 709 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 3: The last limit of humanity and we die and we 710 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 3: never come back. Is there anything else they can tell you? 711 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty people can tell you that they 712 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 3: have crossed over and they've come back and it's a 713 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 3: wonderful experience for most. 714 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Evan Meacham. And don't forget go visit our 715 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: friends at ians dot org. Join their upcoming conference in Chicago, 716 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: find your tribe or watch past conference replace and there 717 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,359 Speaker 1: are resources that you can read thousands of near death 718 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: experiences and find your local chapter as well. And don't 719 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: forget to visit me we Don't Die dot com. Come 720 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: join me on one of our free Sunday gatherings with 721 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: medium demonstration included, so many good things to explore. That's 722 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: we Don'tdie dot Com. In closing, I'm Sandra Champlain. I 723 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: hope you've found the fifty years of NDEs and lightning. 724 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: I sure, I'm glad you've been here today. Thank you 725 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 726 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to cost Am Paranormal Podcast Network. 727 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,919 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 728 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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