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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: it's thirteen days until the NFL Draft takes place. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that we started this journey. Yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the count on day one? The first show? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the matthis one too much for my LSU brain one
Speaker 1: twenty or something like that. It was. But we've we've
Speaker 1: got to this point where we're two weeks away. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports and
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: Kit Garrison Executive produce Today, gentlemen, As you know, I'm
Speaker 1: always just going to dive right into things. We got
Speaker 1: some things to talk We got about some things to
Speaker 1: talk about. First off, we surprised at the way that
Speaker 1: the La Rams were able to manipulate to get to
Speaker 1: the first overall pick in this draft. We knew if
Speaker 1: they were going to go up there, obviously, from fifteen
Speaker 1: to one, which we've never seen before. We've never seen
Speaker 1: a team go from fifteen up to one. So we
Speaker 1: knew if it was going to happen, it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to take a lot, and they sure gave up a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what Dane's talking about a lot? They did give up.
Speaker 1: They gave up pick overall pick first, their first round
Speaker 1: pick number fifteen, number, their second round pick forty three,
Speaker 1: second round pick forty five, and third round pick seventy six,
Speaker 1: and then next year's one and three for that right
Speaker 1: to draft the first overall spot. Tennessee flips the one
Speaker 1: overall as we've talked about four, the fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: which is one thirteen, and pick in the sixth round,
Speaker 1: pick one seventy seven. We all sound very calm and
Speaker 1: collected right now because we've had we've had twenty eight
Speaker 1: hours to digest this. Uh I yeah, hell yeah, I
Speaker 1: was surprised. I was freaking out yesterday. That's how I
Speaker 1: woke up. I said, my alarms like seven forty five,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning. I reach over to my
Speaker 1: phone and you know, turn the alarm off, and like
Speaker 1: that just starts coming across the screen all at once.
Speaker 1: You know, I follow every NFL writer there is on Twitter,
Speaker 1: so I'm just running. It was like a fire drill.
Speaker 1: I was like, what do I do with my hands?
Speaker 1: What's going this is? Dane said it, We've never seen
Speaker 1: this before? Yeah, well I never. I I mean we've
Speaker 1: been talking about the Rams trading up to four. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get just two first two second round picks.
Speaker 1: First of all, the price was way off. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it's they went they went to one and
Speaker 1: not four, but still they gave up so much more.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, I just I even thought
Speaker 1: fifteen to four was too big of a jump. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you usually see. You know that the Bills
Speaker 1: went to four from like nine for Sammy Watkins. That's
Speaker 1: the type of stuff you usually see, you know, where
Speaker 1: fortune favors the bold, David maybe, yeah, or the desperate
Speaker 1: or the desperate and well, there's some people that might
Speaker 1: not agree with you on that though. I do agree
Speaker 1: with you though, But there's some people will say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe the spice fisher in and let's need three more years.
Speaker 1: Well that's what we're talking about desperate, because they are
Speaker 1: desperate for a quarterback and this is their lifeline. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't really care about twenty seventeen draft right now.
Speaker 1: They care about the here and now. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know this gives them a future. Now, what is that future?
Speaker 1: Is that Carson Wentz or is that Jared Goff. I
Speaker 1: don't think we have an answer yet. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear some people out there. And this
Speaker 1: is my theory on this situation. The Rams know who
Speaker 1: they're taking at one. Yeah. I don't believe for a
Speaker 1: second that they're debating over these last two weeks. They
Speaker 1: know exactly who they're taking, but they're leaking it out there.
Speaker 1: Some people they're telling they want Jared Goff, some people
Speaker 1: they're telling they want Carson. They want there to be
Speaker 1: a split opinion because they want Cleveland at two who
Speaker 1: they think loves one of these quarterbacks. They don't know
Speaker 1: which one. They want Cleveland to try and entice them
Speaker 1: to trade up one spot to ensure that quarterback. The
Speaker 1: Rams can go back and gained some more draft picks
Speaker 1: back and still get their quarterback at two. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to work. How about that thirty
Speaker 1: day gamesmanship? Yeah, I don't buy it with two weeks left.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the Rams knew who they're taking.
Speaker 1: I don't believe for a second that they don't. So
Speaker 1: but I similar to with Dave, I did a seven
Speaker 1: round mock I, you know, turned it in, finally got
Speaker 1: it loaded up Wednesday night, posted it. I was so
Speaker 1: proud of it and never done a seven round mok before.
Speaker 1: You just set it on fire on Thursday morning. A
Speaker 1: couple hours later, I'm giving my dog a walk in
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm getting all these texts. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: people are messing with me. You know, I did the
Speaker 1: seventh round mok. Now they're telling me this huge trade happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, that's true, just unbelievable. Tell me why.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you look at the if you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers, and if you just want to do
Speaker 1: the what you think Jeff Fisher and the Rams will do.
Speaker 1: He's a seven and nine coach. We kind of understand that,
Speaker 1: so he'll probably be the Rams will probably be picking again,
Speaker 1: probably fifteen, you know again, And if you look at
Speaker 1: what that one and that three might mean, well, the Rams,
Speaker 1: if if they pick in the same spot where they
Speaker 1: did this year, that one in that three. They're gonna
Speaker 1: overpay on this trade by a second round pick. They
Speaker 1: absolutely are. But and I think Peter King made this
Speaker 1: point yesterday. I think right now, obviously we don't know
Speaker 1: if the quarterback is going to work out, but right
Speaker 1: now I think it's a trade that makes sense for
Speaker 1: both teams. The Rams have a pretty that's a deep roster.
Speaker 1: They got the rookie of the year at running back,
Speaker 1: kind of thin. At receiver, you got Greg Robinson still
Speaker 1: coming into his own attackle. The defense is stacked. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had so many guys in their secondary that they
Speaker 1: couldn't pay them all. Defensive line solid, you got Brockers,
Speaker 1: you got Donald. Honestly, this team is I think it's
Speaker 1: reasonable to say that they're a good quarterback away from
Speaker 1: being a play off slash Super Bowl contender. And then
Speaker 1: over on the other side, the Titans have quarterback figured out,
Speaker 1: and I guess running back Marco Murray's there and nothing
Speaker 1: else right, so they want a whole bunch of draft picks.
Speaker 1: Let's remember that last year general manager there too. By
Speaker 1: the way, last year we had two excellent rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Usually rookie quarterbacks struggle, and we saw James Winston Marcus
Speaker 1: Marriot struggle but they had really good See year before,
Speaker 1: a couple of quarterbacks played real well too if you
Speaker 1: talk about Bridgewater, right and car But both those teams,
Speaker 1: the Bucks and Titans, are both picking top ten this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know it's for the Rams. This isn't like
Speaker 1: an automatic Okay, you know now we can talk playoffs, right,
Speaker 1: you know, this is something I was just thinking what
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher normally is. Yeah, no, and you're you're not wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what history tells us. Yeah. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this though, and going back to the smoke screens and
Speaker 1: the gamesmanship. If you are in the market for a
Speaker 1: quarterback and you're picking in a spot where you can
Speaker 1: get one of them, and I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: like Paxson Lynch, but I'm talking about Winston. Golf, go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, you got one valued over the other. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's say that let's say Cleveland really does they love Winz,
Speaker 1: even if it's not true for the purposes of this,
Speaker 1: they do, and Wentz goes one. I still think that
Speaker 1: they would probably take golf too, though. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: easy a trade you think so. I think I think
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go one too. I think the bigger question is
Speaker 1: is Cleveland number two? I guess in quarterback. I guess
Speaker 1: that's more. I agree with what he says. I think
Speaker 1: it fits. My point is that I still I don't
Speaker 1: think there's that big of a difference between these two
Speaker 1: guys that you're going to see one fall that far
Speaker 1: down the board, is what I'm trying to say. I
Speaker 1: think there's a clear difference between golf and wins. How
Speaker 1: I do, no, I well, I agree, just one's a
Speaker 1: couple of years older one. You know, one's more physically gifted.
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, there are differences, and I do I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked at all if say Cleveland prefers
Speaker 1: one over the other strongly. Yeah, But I do think
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going one too. It just the number two
Speaker 1: pick could be the Eagles making it. The thing that
Speaker 1: could happen here, though, is the fact that if if,
Speaker 1: in fact, though the Rams do take Cleveland's quarterback, then
Speaker 1: then they'll just bail to bail that pick, that second
Speaker 1: pick might be not as expensive. That goes against what
Speaker 1: I think, And I mean, Dane's plugged into the Browns,
Speaker 1: so he would know, but I think I don't think that,
Speaker 1: and I'll just maybe I don't know if Danes is
Speaker 1: that big. Between these two quarterbacks love one and hate
Speaker 1: the other, it is to me one, I think that
Speaker 1: Golf was a top ten quarterback. I don't think Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz is. That's me. I always thought that Wentz was
Speaker 1: more of a guy from twenty to twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: think the Browns are hoping that Wentz goes one and
Speaker 1: then they take off at two. But if it goes
Speaker 1: the other, if Golf goes one, I think they have
Speaker 1: a good feel that Philadelphia at eight could really like
Speaker 1: Wentz and can make a move. And you know, the
Speaker 1: Eagles don't have a second rounder. So what would it
Speaker 1: take to go from eight up to number two? Is
Speaker 1: it a future one? Yea? Is it? You know? A
Speaker 1: three to four? Would that be enough? Or it's Cleveland
Speaker 1: that desperate to get out of two? Right? It's going
Speaker 1: to be interesting. I think going to eight is not
Speaker 1: a bad option for Cleveland if they're if they because
Speaker 1: I've heard from Cleveland people that that they like wins,
Speaker 1: but maybe not enough to take it too. I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going from too I don't even Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even care if they don't have a second
Speaker 1: round pick. If I mean you're dropping six spots, a
Speaker 1: guy that you love will be there, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: pick up a first rounder. Yeahs draft. The thing with
Speaker 1: the Browns is we don't know for sure yet with
Speaker 1: the metrics in analytics, how that's going to play into
Speaker 1: their draft strategy. But what I can promise you is
Speaker 1: they want to figure out a way to accumulate picks.
Speaker 1: They were, they were they wanted the Tennessee deal. They
Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted to do They wanted the deal
Speaker 1: that the Rams absolutely wouldn't want that deal. That was
Speaker 1: the deal. Good point. Yeah, but they But see the
Speaker 1: fact that Cleveland needs a quarterback, or we think Cleveland
Speaker 1: needs a quarterback, Well, what the chances of Cleveland takes
Speaker 1: tounsil I honestly, I mean, is that a possibility? I
Speaker 1: think I think they got duck if they get stuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a guarantee Cleveland's going to pick
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, well they all kind of think that.
Speaker 1: But if we if we like these quarterbacks at the
Speaker 1: top of the second round, if they have a guy
Speaker 1: in mind, if they like if we're going in terms
Speaker 1: of odds of what's going to happen at number two,
Speaker 1: I think the best odds that they're gonna take a quarterback,
Speaker 1: the next best odds they're gonna trade back, and the
Speaker 1: third best odds they're gonna Sakay. Let me segue to
Speaker 1: that if you're Dallas, Yeah, and the debt Yeah. And
Speaker 1: let me say, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: two to play general manager. Guy Sure and Dana and
Speaker 1: I did this last night for a Guy's at one
Speaker 1: oh five three. We had a nice group out there
Speaker 1: for the local radio station and had a little scouting
Speaker 1: one oh one, nice turn out, great questions. Ask this question,
Speaker 1: would you be willing to give your two and your
Speaker 1: three to go up and draft golf at two if
Speaker 1: that's if that's your quarterback? No? Or next year's one. No.
Speaker 1: The next year's one is fascinating because that's if you're
Speaker 1: going up to get golf. You know, you're even if
Speaker 1: Ruman doesn't stay healthy, you have golf waiting to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of go in there and help you. You're you're
Speaker 1: planning on picking in at twenties next year. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if say you're picking just say for the thirties, hypothetically
Speaker 1: twenty five. Yeah, you're picking next year. Is that pick
Speaker 1: worth guaranteeing you the quarterback of your future? He makes
Speaker 1: a great point. Sure, I've stated my beliefs on that
Speaker 1: I have. I'm fine if if Jared Goff were to
Speaker 1: fall to four, which I don't think he will, especially
Speaker 1: now that the Rams are picking number one, I think
Speaker 1: he'll be the number one pick if he were to
Speaker 1: fall to four. I've looked at this draft enough to
Speaker 1: you know what, that's fine if if if he's there,
Speaker 1: that's great. I'm not mortgaging the future to take a
Speaker 1: quarterback that I'm not in love with. Well, and that's
Speaker 1: and then let's play. Let's okay, Well me to play general,
Speaker 1: I understand that that's on me. Well what about the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: What if golf is there? What if golf is their
Speaker 1: their best quarterback? They're going to work him out this weekend, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's another thing. Yeah, the Cowboys, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're getting on Jerry's G five and they're all going
Speaker 1: out there and they're gonna have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: at Berkeley throwing the ball around under two weeks away
Speaker 1: and you know you're making that trip. That's tells you something.
Speaker 1: That told me something too, that that they worked out
Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch too, that Jerry. So this is gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty consistent that they're going to look at all these
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks that way. I hate giving up draft picks, man,
Speaker 1: so so do I and it and the guy that
Speaker 1: hates the most is sitting right right to your right
Speaker 1: right there now. I do not, especially at a future
Speaker 1: number one scares the hell out of man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give up that pick. And what
Speaker 1: do you feel that strong? Do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could feel that strongly about Golf to do this? I think,
Speaker 1: and I know they brought him in. I know, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I wouldn't feel terrible
Speaker 1: about it. How do you think they feel? I feel
Speaker 1: like I would have a better sense that they loved
Speaker 1: him if they really loved him that much. But I mean,
Speaker 1: they're going to work him out this weekend. So this
Speaker 1: is where this is where like personnel guys are different
Speaker 1: from us guys in the media. They don't care what
Speaker 1: we think a well it would be, they're not afraid.
Speaker 1: Yeah there, I mean because it is your job. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody can lose their job over this stuff. But the
Speaker 1: general manager here is not going to lose his job.
Speaker 1: But you know that. But but that's the that's the thing,
Speaker 1: that's why you would make a move like that. I
Speaker 1: will say this, I'm a job if you trade up
Speaker 1: to get him. And he's playing Gabbert too. But but
Speaker 1: this is the this is the thing about it is though,
Speaker 1: but he this general manager, not gonna lose his job. No,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna lose. But that's why. That's why to me.
Speaker 1: But I've been in this room with this general manager
Speaker 1: before when we didn't have a first round pick, and
Speaker 1: he's dying. Trust me, I've seen it. He is. The
Speaker 1: rest of us are in that room and we're all
Speaker 1: just kind of working the draft and pulling tags and
Speaker 1: acting like we're busy, and as it comes close to
Speaker 1: our pick, we're all looking at the board going who
Speaker 1: would we have taken? Who would we have taken it?
Speaker 1: And it is and so that's maybe why next year
Speaker 1: he would. But but then again, the fact that he
Speaker 1: is the general manager and the owner, he can make
Speaker 1: that move and we're not talking about going up to
Speaker 1: get Joey Bosa. We're talking about a quarterback. Get a
Speaker 1: quarterback next ten exactly if you felt that well way
Speaker 1: about golf, you you'd make that move. And every time
Speaker 1: that sting you feel that sting about not having that
Speaker 1: future one, you just look on your roster and see
Speaker 1: Jared Goff there, and that would take a little bit
Speaker 1: of his tag off your personnel board in your spot.
Speaker 1: Put it right there. You make, You make a compelling argument.
Speaker 1: You do, and I know we would all throw up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean everybody out there would throw up
Speaker 1: because they don't want to give up picks. They don't.
Speaker 1: We did the study last night in detail. Is it
Speaker 1: just the one I'm getting rid of to get him?
Speaker 1: What else? No? You that's it just the wor or
Speaker 1: a second or third this year and seven the seven
Speaker 1: round er I did. I had the Cowboy's first three
Speaker 1: picks Jalen Ramsey, Carl Joseph Tyler, boyd so corner, safety,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Who would you rather have those three players
Speaker 1: or Jared Goff the quarterback of your future? You make
Speaker 1: a compelling argument, and then and you know, hope, hopefully
Speaker 1: your pick next year is somewhere between twenty five and
Speaker 1: thirty two. Yeah, hopefully right. We made a trade with
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, thinking that when we went away in
Speaker 1: that draft from Stephen Jackson and those guys, and then
Speaker 1: and Maurice Carthon said, well, those running backs in the
Speaker 1: second round are just the same, and Parcels and Jones
Speaker 1: listen to Maurice say that, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're training, they draft JP Lossman, and then you know,
Speaker 1: but we're thinking, maybe that's a top ten pick and
Speaker 1: ended up to be number twenty. Yeah, our pick was worse,
Speaker 1: Our original pick was worse than the Buffalo pick. But
Speaker 1: you were thinking, man, we might get a top ten
Speaker 1: pick out of this one. You know's it's compelling. You're
Speaker 1: going for a quarterback that you it's the number one
Speaker 1: guy on your board. You're going for your number one quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is what you're doing. And if if, in fact, if
Speaker 1: in fact, if you know what the Rams are doing,
Speaker 1: if they take if they take wins, to me, I
Speaker 1: think you have to talk about that. I'll bet you
Speaker 1: ten dollars right now that they don't take wins. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be golf. Okay, well, which, yeah, which kind
Speaker 1: of makes this a moot. Point. Okay, but we're just
Speaker 1: this is a dractional I know, um, I'm just asking
Speaker 1: you if you would do it. I feel a lot
Speaker 1: better doing it knowing that they didn't do what I
Speaker 1: wanted them to do to address the position in free agency.
Speaker 1: You know, ask you this Colt McCoy or Chase Daniel
Speaker 1: was on this team, I'd say, hell no, but they're not.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't feel great and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ask you this question. But you don't feel great
Speaker 1: about drafting Joey Bosa. You don't feel great. I don't
Speaker 1: feel great, but I'd say I feel better about it
Speaker 1: than most. Okay, that's fair. But would you if you said,
Speaker 1: I can move up with the thought of getting golf
Speaker 1: my best quarterback, but I I'm not gonna take Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: Is there any other player that you would feel that
Speaker 1: you would feel different about that. You're trading up. You
Speaker 1: know you're trading up, so I'm like, I'm getting golf,
Speaker 1: but I'm losing this. Yeah, I mean, well, in light
Speaker 1: of this trade, I think it's I really didn't know
Speaker 1: how realistic it was. I think it's very realistic possibility
Speaker 1: that Jalen Ramsey winds up a cowboy now, and I'm fine,
Speaker 1: give me Jalen Ramsey and let me keep all my picks.
Speaker 1: Cleveland takes Tonsil, You're you're your trouble. They're absolutely you're Trump.
Speaker 1: But Cleveland could trade out, Cleveland could theoretically take a
Speaker 1: quarterback right, and then you wind up with I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it would be hard for San Diego
Speaker 1: to pass on Tounsil. Yeah. Man, then you wind up
Speaker 1: with Jalen Ramsey, whom a lot of people think is
Speaker 1: the best overall player in this draft at four. I'll
Speaker 1: take that over getting rid of picks to get Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: You secure your future, don't you? I think I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I make a splash um And like I said, it's
Speaker 1: stings giving up draft picks. But I look at Jared
Speaker 1: Goff in my building knowing he's He's mine for the
Speaker 1: next five years, regardless of what happens with Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about that. I don't have a
Speaker 1: good argument against it. But people get a little queasy
Speaker 1: about that, don't It's nerve wracking. It's a it's when
Speaker 1: you start, when you're I mean, it's one thing when
Speaker 1: you're twenty seven and you're picking a guy who's to
Speaker 1: play dimeback for you as a rookie. You know, but
Speaker 1: when you start talking about these franchise altering moves, it's
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd have the stomach to do it.
Speaker 1: For real. Kudos to them. Yeah, that's what you do.
Speaker 1: You sit in there and you make those decisions. Those
Speaker 1: are an easy decisions. No, it's not an easy decisions.
Speaker 1: I mean, ten years from now, I'm not I won't
Speaker 1: be a Cowboys writer. Maybe I won't even be in
Speaker 1: the media. Like I'll have kids, be terrifying, and like
Speaker 1: Jared Goff will be thirty five and like Brady Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kicking ass and winning Super Bowls, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I did not love that guy. Yeah, that's why the
Speaker 1: draft I have to live with that real quick before
Speaker 1: we take our first break. Any news that you've heard
Speaker 1: about Miles Jack in this recheck? No good news? Yeah
Speaker 1: put it that way. Yeahs the last two days, it's
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's unfortunate. Some teams are gonna look at
Speaker 1: these knees differently. But I think we can almost rule
Speaker 1: out Miles Jack for here. Yeah, you know, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. Their teams are worried about that. Nat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, that's a shame for a guy like me.
Speaker 1: Had I had my U c l A palm palms
Speaker 1: out for that one. Yeah, heavy sigh of depression. Members
Speaker 1: of the Miles Jack fan club and so you hate
Speaker 1: to see that. But you're hearing Miles not a possibility
Speaker 1: for here, are well right, and it's he he can
Speaker 1: run right now, he can move right now. It's but
Speaker 1: it's the long term that you're worried. They want to
Speaker 1: deal with that. Exactly this team. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about a top five pick, you don't want to
Speaker 1: have the Yeah, exactly so, and they hate it. But
Speaker 1: you can almost roll him out for here. That's reports
Speaker 1: great information, well, the reports coming out of any though
Speaker 1: it's not all teams are turned off, which makes me
Speaker 1: wonder how far. But I kind of think I think
Speaker 1: he's absolutely right yeah about here, but somebody's out. I
Speaker 1: mean he's draft I hope, so, I mean he will
Speaker 1: get drafted, and we just want to know. We've been
Speaker 1: trying to temper expectations. This whole process telling about to
Speaker 1: happen for me. Yeah, you can you can just see
Speaker 1: the these things coming a mile away, you know, like
Speaker 1: Miles Jack Away, Miles Jack. That's not the time for jokes. Still,
Speaker 1: there are such good at it. There are some that
Speaker 1: even believe that Jalen Smith could be They feel better
Speaker 1: by Jalen Smith's injury than Miles jack injury. I've heard that.
Speaker 1: I mean, these knees, everyone looks at him differently and right,
Speaker 1: So does that mean that you're I mean, Miles Jack,
Speaker 1: how far has this guy fallen? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that what Dane Saint is absolutely right. The teams behind
Speaker 1: Dallas could very well just say, you know what, the
Speaker 1: knee is gonna be fine. It's the same thing again.
Speaker 1: I hate to be back in the day. Guy. Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Trotter's my example. It was a third round pick. Jeremiah Trotter.
Speaker 1: Stephen F. Austin doctor told me, I don't know, Brian,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play ten games or ten years, and he
Speaker 1: played twelve years. You just don't know. I'm putting y'all
Speaker 1: on the spot, But I mean, is he still a
Speaker 1: top ten pick? Is he a first round pick? It's
Speaker 1: because we're not talking about a wide receiver or we're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy that linebacker is going to find
Speaker 1: contact and every single play. Yep. And that's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really tough. He's basically a running back. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how you put value on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sports Cry for Brian brought us because Dave Bruger's breaking
Speaker 1: my heart. But I don't disagree with what he's saying. Okay,
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Speaker 1: ed k Hill for doing this. We have Twitter, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: it's your show. As you might guess, Cowboys fans are
Speaker 1: very curious what this mega trade means for how the
Speaker 1: landscape kind of looks for the Cowboys. So we'll get
Speaker 1: right into it. Shout out to Nebbi. Yes, thank you, friend,
Speaker 1: Silver Springs gut feeling, Jalen Ramsey, is he there at
Speaker 1: for in light of all of this news, I think
Speaker 1: so possibility there, Yeah, I'm a strong possibility. I think yeah.
Speaker 1: If we see quarterbacks go one, two, good chance Laremy
Speaker 1: Tunsel goes three. And in that case, every defensive players
Speaker 1: on the board for the Cowboys, whether they want to
Speaker 1: go Bosa or they want to go Ramsey, either way
Speaker 1: they can go. I think the two defensive players are
Speaker 1: holding on would be would be Ramsey and Bosa, and
Speaker 1: the offensive player is Zeke. If I had to it
Speaker 1: had to pick. If if it comes down to those
Speaker 1: three will be, I'll be very interested to see. But
Speaker 1: it's three really good options. Yeah. Three. More so than anything,
Speaker 1: I think people kind of lose the plot like they're
Speaker 1: gonna get a really good player on my draft board.
Speaker 1: Those are three of my top five players in this draft.
Speaker 1: So very good. But thank you for the question. Again,
Speaker 1: I mean these and these are the type of questions
Speaker 1: we're getting, uh, just kind of trying to shuffle that
Speaker 1: order in the top four. Trey wants to know. All right,
Speaker 1: let's say Wins goes one, golf goes to Ramsey three.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there with Tunsel on the board, you draft him.
Speaker 1: I do, all right, Well, let me ask you this
Speaker 1: than uh, the phone's not ringing. I feel like the
Speaker 1: phone would be ringing. People will want Laramie Tunsel if
Speaker 1: he's at four. But if he's there four and you
Speaker 1: don't have a trade partner, you're still not taking him.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take Bosa. I have to take someone else.
Speaker 1: This This offensive line's already great. I don't need to
Speaker 1: make it even greater. I have so many their holes
Speaker 1: on this team that I could address with that pick.
Speaker 1: I'm a true believer and best player available. But yeah,
Speaker 1: not in every situation. This is one of those. I
Speaker 1: think this is one of the times you have to
Speaker 1: go with the best player on your board. This is
Speaker 1: state and we talk about what's the risk that you're
Speaker 1: taking here. You're adding a great player to your roster.
Speaker 1: You're adding a great player to your team. If you
Speaker 1: want to play a round, mess around with a second
Speaker 1: round pick, the third round pick, the fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: and take take a need there. Okay, fine, but with
Speaker 1: that with that pick being as important as high as
Speaker 1: it is, if I get a chance to draft a
Speaker 1: guy that I think is maybe the number one player
Speaker 1: not on my board, but on their board. Right, then
Speaker 1: I think you have to take that. I think you
Speaker 1: have to. Also, if the phone would ring, I think
Speaker 1: that's the best shot for your phone to ring. I
Speaker 1: think if you want to go back, the best shot
Speaker 1: I think is if one of those quarterbacks still. I
Speaker 1: think if it's Tonsil, you think so, I do. I do.
Speaker 1: You've got to make these people think that you'll take Tonsil.
Speaker 1: But do you think that Tonsil's number one on their board?
Speaker 1: I don't, that's I don't think so. I think that
Speaker 1: we those three players we talked about, I think they'd
Speaker 1: rather have one of those three players than Tunsil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even Tunsil to heck, I don't think they expect Tonsila
Speaker 1: be there. That's that's a great issue. I agree that's
Speaker 1: the issue there. But I but if you're if they're
Speaker 1: if their board is their boards the way the boards
Speaker 1: that we know, he's your number one player, right, he's
Speaker 1: my number one player. Yeah, but it's it's still weird
Speaker 1: doing this thing. And do you think about Baltimore, UM Philly,
Speaker 1: I think even Tampa probably, Yeah, all sitting there. What
Speaker 1: if you can what if you could get Tennessee to
Speaker 1: come back up? We actually talked about that in the
Speaker 1: mail bag today. Yeah, don't And I kind of think
Speaker 1: the same thing that I thought, which obviously they kind
Speaker 1: of just proved me wrong. That's a huge jump man.
Speaker 1: And I know, uh, they've got a better, They've got
Speaker 1: a better, they've got better second round picks. Now. I
Speaker 1: know he's got a thirty, he's got a thirty, thirty three.
Speaker 1: He could play with the guy and Tenant what John
Speaker 1: Robinson's Yeah, he said that that. You know, don't think
Speaker 1: they're done. I know he's got that. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he's acquiring all this big time draft capital
Speaker 1: just to get rid of it all. Well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this. The one player he could flip you.
Speaker 1: He could flip you. He could go to he could
Speaker 1: come down. What's he gotta give me to get back?
Speaker 1: He could if he gives you, If he gives you
Speaker 1: thirty three and that he's got another way, if he
Speaker 1: gives you thirty three, forty three, and well, he could
Speaker 1: give you thirty three, which would make it even sweeter.
Speaker 1: I'd hold him up on thirty three, to be honest,
Speaker 1: with you think he's gonna give you because you can.
Speaker 1: You could ask for the same deal. You could ask
Speaker 1: for his forty three and forty five, right, but you can.
Speaker 1: You could also take his You could take his thirty three,
Speaker 1: and I think he's got it. You could take his
Speaker 1: thirty three and his seventy six. He'd probably have a
Speaker 1: way easier time getting his hands on like Jack Conklin
Speaker 1: for less less of a price. In my opinion, that's
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I know, I mean, they
Speaker 1: have the capital to do whatever they want after that trade.
Speaker 1: But but why hold him up? I hold him up
Speaker 1: if if he wants to come and get if he
Speaker 1: if Tunslan fact is on the board, and my general
Speaker 1: manager here doesn't want to pick Kim right now, by
Speaker 1: all means field, that call field it if you want
Speaker 1: to drop to fifteen and you feel good that you're
Speaker 1: still within your range or driving. I just think they've
Speaker 1: got Luan and they've got there's other tackles that would
Speaker 1: be easier to get that you don't have to blow
Speaker 1: those kind of picks on Laramie. What about the giants
Speaker 1: at ten? They need a tackle? Would you trade within
Speaker 1: a division for a one and two you move back
Speaker 1: to ten, so not too far right, but you're also
Speaker 1: given didn't we say that was five hundred, We said
Speaker 1: that was five hundred points. It worked perfect It worked
Speaker 1: perfectly last night because the Cowboys sitting at eighteen hundred,
Speaker 1: the Giants are sitting at thirteen hundred. The Giants second
Speaker 1: round pick is five hundred points. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what you get from the Giants. You
Speaker 1: go to ten, you pick up the Giants pick is
Speaker 1: at forty. So now what you're doing is you're at
Speaker 1: ten picking the Giants get their tackle. You're picking at ten.
Speaker 1: That that still kind of puts all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: The Giants have three first round picks on their line,
Speaker 1: just like the Cowboys. But that's the thing. You're also
Speaker 1: giving your one of your big Ryan, one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the draft. It's it sucks because their
Speaker 1: a division rival. But I can't think like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Redskins and Cowboys just did a deal. Trade. You
Speaker 1: just make trade. It's now you could lose Zeke. You
Speaker 1: could lose Zeke to Philadelphia and letting now now quarterbacks
Speaker 1: go one two. We think that Philadelphia, what I would
Speaker 1: really love is if Philly came up to four to
Speaker 1: get Tunsil, because that that way I get out of it.
Speaker 1: I get picks. And I know Philly's not getting Zeke
Speaker 1: because that's nightmare scenario number one for me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that. So you have an opportunity to if you
Speaker 1: want to go to the Giants a ten. That makes
Speaker 1: sense that that that you pick there, you pick up
Speaker 1: number forty, that's your pick. If I think the phone
Speaker 1: will ring if Laramie Tonsil's there at four, but if
Speaker 1: it doesn't, I'll just take him. That's fine. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's overkill. It is overkill. You're not wrong, but it's
Speaker 1: I mean, you're that's hard to argue with getting the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft at four and you take
Speaker 1: the Jets spot that we're gonna get Leonard Williams last year. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: And that's what we have. We have to learn from
Speaker 1: the past. And yeah, exactly last year, they're the best player.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know, a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: was the best player fell out of the top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and could have happened this year with Tounsil. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's possible. Yeah, because if okay, say that Cowboys
Speaker 1: do not get that trade offer. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: taking Tonsil. Yeah, I think they go one of those
Speaker 1: three players we mentioned, sure, and then five at Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're taking Tounsil. I think Baltimore at
Speaker 1: six would take Baltimore take see Baltimore those teams. He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that just sits there at players
Speaker 1: fall to him. It's amazing, it is amazing. It's amazing
Speaker 1: how the Ravens get player. Maybe that's because he doesn't
Speaker 1: window dresses board. If you got Tonso number one and
Speaker 1: he's there at four, yeah, is that? We always think
Speaker 1: this team will have tonsol as I remember one time. Okay,
Speaker 1: that changes things? Yeah, where's you been working on a board?
Speaker 1: This team will have Joey Bosa rated over Laramie Tunsil.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're considering Tounsil that if you if
Speaker 1: you're considering Tounsil that highly, you have to do a
Speaker 1: lot of work on him because he's not the cleanest
Speaker 1: prospect off the field, right, and we haven't heard much
Speaker 1: of now, let's be honest, but they've done a lot
Speaker 1: more work on both they have. We know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know that they've done a lot of on Tonsil.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they haven't. They could have done stuff
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, sure, but I don't think they'll have
Speaker 1: to Tonsil rated as high as those other three. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna flip it on your real quick, just to continue
Speaker 1: the conversation, Robert. All right, So Robert wants to know
Speaker 1: quarterback goes number one? Cleveland takes Tonsil, San Diego takes Ramsey.
Speaker 1: You have a quarterback, and then you know the rest
Speaker 1: of the usual suspects sitting there at four. Which quarterback
Speaker 1: He didn't specify which quarterback went to two? He said,
Speaker 1: Tonsil's going to glob will say, golf goes one. You
Speaker 1: got wins, and it's the same. It's the same scenario.
Speaker 1: This is an interest interesting scenario because okay, say this
Speaker 1: team wants golf but they don't want Wentz. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the Eagles call, make you a pretty interesting offer. They
Speaker 1: are going to give up a future one we talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, trading a tackle within a division. Tunsil quarterbacks
Speaker 1: a little different. Are you okay? With the Eagles trading
Speaker 1: up to get their quarterback. You're you're helping the Eagles
Speaker 1: find their quarterback of the future. Are you okay with
Speaker 1: that or your or your help? Are your help them
Speaker 1: take a bus there? Yeah? Yeah, but that's very depending
Speaker 1: on how you feel about Wentz, that could be the case.
Speaker 1: It could be the forty nine ers two for that matter. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm saying the Eagles because they know
Speaker 1: they have to get in front of San Francisco. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that is true, so that you know, usually inside the division,
Speaker 1: you don't usually see those kind of moves. But well, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Dallas traded with Washington to get but it is Marcus
Speaker 1: Flord're talking about a second round pick, top ten quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you do that? I'm not afraid to trade. I
Speaker 1: don't think that I can worry about what I can
Speaker 1: become if I can't give me the extra first round pick.
Speaker 1: Well Son, you sound like a scout. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid to trade within the division. If you like
Speaker 1: Wentz that much, you're taking him at four. So if
Speaker 1: you don't, you obviously don't like him enough to take
Speaker 1: him at four. Right, So if you're gonna let another
Speaker 1: team come up, I don't think it's as big of
Speaker 1: an issue, but it is just interesting. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: when we revisionist history, when we look back and say
Speaker 1: they was allowed that to happen. If Wentz happens to
Speaker 1: hit you know how, or if he doesn't so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Maurice wants to know if you don't draft Bosa for
Speaker 1: but he basically wants to know who would you feel
Speaker 1: best about drafting defensive lineman thirty four? Can be tackle,
Speaker 1: can be an end. If he wants a d lineman
Speaker 1: at thirty four, who do you feel best about? Who
Speaker 1: you got their stud I'm gonna throw my hat in
Speaker 1: the ring for Kevin Dodd, which I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he would be there. I think he would take Bullard.
Speaker 1: I think you like Bullard more, like Bullard a lot
Speaker 1: more and I like God Um. I think that would
Speaker 1: probably be my guy there. Um. In terms of a
Speaker 1: defensive end, Bullard. I love the versatility because he can
Speaker 1: be your left end, put him inside on certain passing downs.
Speaker 1: God just doesn't do enough for you, does he. No,
Speaker 1: he's an older prospect. I was encouraged last year. You
Speaker 1: saw as the season went on, as he gained more experience,
Speaker 1: that light bulb started to illuminate more and run and
Speaker 1: that's encouraging, but the testing numbers worry me. He's not
Speaker 1: the most athletic m and I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: don't see an I'm Dodd. I gave him a mid
Speaker 1: second round grade, so I like him in that area.
Speaker 1: But he's along, he's with oak Bah and you know
Speaker 1: Shalie Calhoun and you know these guys. Yeah Bill over Joseph? Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: So if it comes down to take in the safety,
Speaker 1: would you take Bullard over Bill? Yes, I would take
Speaker 1: the defensive linement over the safe over the safety player. Okay,
Speaker 1: you think bullets first round player? Okay, okay. And well
Speaker 1: in Joseph it wasn't for the knee, Yeah, he'd probably
Speaker 1: be higher for me, But then the knee worries me.
Speaker 1: And so that's another one of those wild cars based
Speaker 1: on yeah, what the medical reachecks say. Here's one. He's
Speaker 1: right about Bullard, by the way, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. Mister Bombay has one that I
Speaker 1: think you'll like because it's something we've talked about extensively. Uh,
Speaker 1: Doctor Bombay, Goff and Wentz are both gone. Paxton Lynch
Speaker 1: is your number ten player overall in this draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you take him? Considering the position and considering the need,
Speaker 1: you just take him at four might even be a reach.
Speaker 1: It is a reach. But but you're telling me though,
Speaker 1: there's there's down to four and there I have sick
Speaker 1: other players ahead of him. Yes see, that's that's where
Speaker 1: I have a problem. But it is a quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like Dan and I are kind of on
Speaker 1: the same page with it. I mean, if you gotta
Speaker 1: weigh it differently. Yeah, and this is why I think
Speaker 1: you know you almost can't conclude quarterbacks on your overall
Speaker 1: I agree, but they're already They're always the quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: always pushed up higher on the board. I my experience
Speaker 1: came in here. They happen. There's so they'll get to
Speaker 1: put a quarterback in a position to draft. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: there's only six players in this draft that you feel
Speaker 1: better about than Paxton Lynch in this scenario, Right, do
Speaker 1: you just take him? I don't know if I jumped
Speaker 1: the board like that, not not with six. I might
Speaker 1: do it with one or two, but I don't think
Speaker 1: i'd do it for six. When you stack the quarterback
Speaker 1: on your board, I think you're already putting in the
Speaker 1: fact that you're moving them up higher than you would
Speaker 1: actually take him. You know, you're looking at who's in
Speaker 1: front of him. Yeah, we take him over the quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 1: but at a certain point you're taking Lynch over. Even
Speaker 1: though you might think that shack Loss is a better player,
Speaker 1: You're going to take the quarterback maybe ahead of him.
Speaker 1: It's they did is on your board. They did it
Speaker 1: with Manzel. If you think about Chazer and Martin right
Speaker 1: both over, I mean, you know they considerate Well, hey,
Speaker 1: Johnny's still there. So anyway, one more question, if it
Speaker 1: could Dave, Yeah, Justin wants to know. Let's say Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey's the pick at four, Karl Joseph is there at
Speaker 1: thirty four. You see this team double dipping at that question,
Speaker 1: I asked last night. That's what I did in my
Speaker 1: seven round MOK for this team. Yeah, I went Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey because I believe they see him as an outside corner, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get your safety and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: your secondary. It looks a lot better than it did yesterday. Um.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting point because maybe Ramsey's best position is safety,
Speaker 1: but maybe I think it's You're absolutely right. But we
Speaker 1: don't know how this team views him. And and that's
Speaker 1: where the question is, do they view Jalen Ramsey as
Speaker 1: a pure outside corner and if they that's where he's
Speaker 1: going to start, right But if they think that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's where he's going to play, that's what we're drafting
Speaker 1: him as, then I think absolutely we could see that happen.
Speaker 1: Now if they look at him maybe like a little
Speaker 1: bit like Iroon Jones, where we're gonna start him there,
Speaker 1: but we're also going to use them a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna use them a little bit, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe even at safety some some formations. If they're thinking
Speaker 1: that way, then I don't think we see her. Carl
Speaker 1: find it's interesting safe teams have William Jackson in the
Speaker 1: first round. It is like their best corner some teams.
Speaker 1: If Ramsey's on this team, and I mean if they
Speaker 1: draft him, I really do think he will kind of
Speaker 1: play that buyer and roll at the start. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just he's talented to just Pigeonholen. Okay, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Davey Paul, Thanks everybody for sending in Twitter questions. We
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Very good questions today. By the way too,
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Speaker 1: kind of going through a lot of different things, a
Speaker 1: lot of different scenarios. I feel better about last year
Speaker 1: who they were going to take as I do right now.
Speaker 1: I think it's really up in the air, but trying
Speaker 1: to do this best as we can to draft fund though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're this is truly about investigate and education.
Speaker 1: I've always said that it is. I have no problem
Speaker 1: going over thirty two or over thirty one this year
Speaker 1: on my mock draft. Yeah, no problem with that, because
Speaker 1: that means the draft was fun. Yeah, undrafted. Well, this
Speaker 1: trade did put some juice into it, though not only
Speaker 1: they did put some juice into that draft, maybe like
Speaker 1: an avalanche effect where I mean, you know we're talking
Speaker 1: about it, but I mean it's not over like. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be some more of these absolutely. I mean, if
Speaker 1: there's a trade before the draft even starts, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be two or three more. I think. I think you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, especially in that top ten. We're thirteen days
Speaker 1: away from doing that. We're gonna play We're gonna do
Speaker 1: a little tell me more here, and Dave Hellman's gonna
Speaker 1: take over the show at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this for a little bit. I want
Speaker 1: to I want to take some calls again. Let's line
Speaker 1: them up as you see on the screen there eight
Speaker 1: eight eight, five five two two nine seven is our
Speaker 1: phone number. I will remind you that we're all doing well,
Speaker 1: happy to be here for the Draft show. So if
Speaker 1: you get to your question, we'll get to your answer,
Speaker 1: and then we'll move along that way. So be nice
Speaker 1: to KNT Garrison when you talk to him on the phone. So, Dave,
Speaker 1: tell me more. This is easily the biggest name I've
Speaker 1: featured on Tell Me More. But he was a thirty
Speaker 1: visit and I want to know more about Jacobe Brissette,
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl quarterback from North care Line of State.
Speaker 1: What you think of his game? How you like is
Speaker 1: fit for the Cowboys? You like him more than ninety
Speaker 1: broadest I do. Physically has what you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's built well, No. Six four two or thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: He's got a strong arm. He's a good person. Um
Speaker 1: you know, he has a I think enough mobility to
Speaker 1: at least will not be a statue back there. He
Speaker 1: can move around a little bit, and he's tough as heck.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see guys draped all over him. He's
Speaker 1: able to you know, you see a little Roethlisberger in
Speaker 1: that respect. My biggest concern is I don't see consistent
Speaker 1: downfield passing. I don't see the confidence. I don't see
Speaker 1: the vision. I don't see uh you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: pull the trigger quick enough and so for me, that's
Speaker 1: usually not something that you see get better or fix
Speaker 1: when you go to the NFL level and everything's just faster.
Speaker 1: So that for me, that's why I'm not as high
Speaker 1: on Brissette, But I understand those who are because that
Speaker 1: is really one of the only main questions with him,
Speaker 1: because he does have a lot he checks a lot
Speaker 1: of the other boxes. I think he got the player right.
Speaker 1: But the things I saw, I said, this kid was
Speaker 1: not afraid to rip it, you know. I mean he'll
Speaker 1: he will throw it. And you got arm, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the arm part of it about him. I do
Speaker 1: agree with with Dane. Though he does miss some open receivers.
Speaker 1: You'll see some guys at times where guys are clear
Speaker 1: and he'll miss, and you know, but you could also
Speaker 1: see him make the make the right hash to left
Speaker 1: sideline throw. That's a very positive I think I thought
Speaker 1: he needed to play a little bit more awareness, but
Speaker 1: I just really liked I liked the arm talent. I
Speaker 1: like the fact he was hanging in there on blitz
Speaker 1: Is when I was watching him play, but you know,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he'll rip it. I think those
Speaker 1: are all positively. I could see why they brought him
Speaker 1: in though he's in that range where you got your
Speaker 1: first three guys. Okay, now, who are the next guys.
Speaker 1: They brought in Cook, they brought in Hackenburg, they brought
Speaker 1: in this guy. He might be in that next tier
Speaker 1: of guys. Maybe he won't be as high as Hackenburg
Speaker 1: and those guys, but maybe a round lower than them.
Speaker 1: But I have him, I have him on my board
Speaker 1: in the fourth round is where I have him. Makes sense.
Speaker 1: I got him in the and I've got now. I
Speaker 1: like Alan Moore myself. I had a Hackingburg, Prescott and
Speaker 1: Alan in my third set, said Field and Cook in
Speaker 1: the fourth is how I had. I have him in
Speaker 1: a six. That's where I would feel comfortable taking him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me more about Colorado State linebacker Corey James. Solid player. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's interesting because Colorado State ran a three to four
Speaker 1: right and he was an outside rushier primarily, uh, and
Speaker 1: he put up some some good sack numbers, some good
Speaker 1: tackle for lost numbers. But then his past year, his
Speaker 1: senior year, they moved to a four to three and
Speaker 1: they moved him to the middle. So he's playing a
Speaker 1: lot of Mike playing a different position. Now you see
Speaker 1: the athleticism. He's not the biggest guy. He's about six
Speaker 1: one two or thirty pounds, that's exactly. But you like
Speaker 1: the competitiveness that you see in him. Plays with some fire.
Speaker 1: He can move really well. But where do you play him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that this was a guy that you might
Speaker 1: even in the time on him, we had probably they
Speaker 1: probably a better time. I had a four six on
Speaker 1: the kid. And but Dane's right, this guy is an
Speaker 1: edge rusher though he mean he's he stays active. What
Speaker 1: I was saying, uh, you know, wrap up tackler, hasn't
Speaker 1: knows the ball, can change direction, plays his hands, he
Speaker 1: can capture edge. He's got some bend. I mean I
Speaker 1: watched games against Colorado, Boise, Wyoming air Force, played the
Speaker 1: low block, played with balance, he could get the outside.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that you might consider the way
Speaker 1: he moves move him to safety. This might be one
Speaker 1: of those those guys that you because of the change
Speaker 1: in direction and the burst and that ability to bend
Speaker 1: and play with balance, that you might say, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look at you as a safety. But he could.
Speaker 1: But you watch him, he'll he'll put his hand on
Speaker 1: the ground and he will go and he will dip
Speaker 1: and he will he will get to the quarterback. I
Speaker 1: mean he could, he could cause some problems, but he's
Speaker 1: well those guys, it's got a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: I think Dan's right. Where do you play him? He
Speaker 1: could play a lot of different things. I might even
Speaker 1: consider look him as a safety. These protay numbers are great.
Speaker 1: Four sixty one, sixty three, ten yards split, thirty five verte,
Speaker 1: ten seven broad six six five three cone. It's fantastic
Speaker 1: for a six one two or thirty pounds. That's maybe
Speaker 1: where you think, you know, I just that's the kind
Speaker 1: of the guy. And again he was a visit he
Speaker 1: was a thirty visit guy here, so I brought him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so why you know they've got obviously they have an
Speaker 1: idea of what they can they can do with him.
Speaker 1: Speaking of safeties, we talked a lot about We've talked
Speaker 1: plenty about Jalen Ramsey, We've talked a lot about Karl
Speaker 1: Joseph Barry. I mean, safety seems important. They Church and
Speaker 1: Wilcox are both on contract years, right So I'm looking
Speaker 1: at safeties and I want to know more about DeAndre
Speaker 1: Houston Carson from the College of William and Mary. I
Speaker 1: saw it, Dan Dane's got a pretty good grade on
Speaker 1: the guy, so I want to know more. I game
Speaker 1: a third round grade, which that sounds like the sweet
Speaker 1: spot for me. And this is a player that he
Speaker 1: played corner they moved into safety. The versatility is what
Speaker 1: you really like about him because he can do a lot,
Speaker 1: not only on defense, but also on special teams. He's
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of Justin Bethel when he was
Speaker 1: coming out, and you know he's gone to the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: hasn't been the most consistent defensive back, but he just
Speaker 1: got an extension because he does give you death in
Speaker 1: the secondary. But it's his value on special teams that
Speaker 1: makes him so special. So, I mean, you're looking at
Speaker 1: Houston Houston Carson. First of all, what kind of a
Speaker 1: When this picks announced, it was like five first names here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Houston Carson, William Mary. Yeah. Yes, but you know,
Speaker 1: six one two hundred pounds ran a four or five
Speaker 1: forty at the combine. I think you can do a
Speaker 1: lot with this player. Whether he's gonna play free safety four,
Speaker 1: whether he's gonna play a nickel role, regardless that you're
Speaker 1: getting a very good specialty. Yeah, he's a physical player too,
Speaker 1: and that's something. I mean. The thing that the thing
Speaker 1: I was most impressed with William and Murray was behind
Speaker 1: in a lot of games. When you're watching the scoreboard
Speaker 1: and he's still playing hard. You know, that reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit about Ron Leary when Ron Leary came
Speaker 1: out and Ron Larrie when drafted. But you watch him
Speaker 1: play and Memphis is getting crushed in these games against
Speaker 1: Mississippi State and those type of opponents, and he's still
Speaker 1: playing hard. And this kid's the same way. I thought
Speaker 1: he needed to play with a little bit better body control.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought there were some things. I thought
Speaker 1: there was some times where he was poor technique wise
Speaker 1: as a tackler, But you know, I could see I
Speaker 1: had him in the fifth round. It is where I
Speaker 1: had him. But I could understand with the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see it though six foot one ninety seven four
Speaker 1: five two. You know, I wish he tackled a little
Speaker 1: bit better, But the fact that he played so hard
Speaker 1: when his team was always behind, I think this is
Speaker 1: says a little bit about the kid. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, very average from a size speech strength standpoint,
Speaker 1: but I think he's well versed in multiple coverages. He
Speaker 1: could do a lot of things. Like I mentioned nine
Speaker 1: block kicks on special teams. That's not an accident. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a boatload and you look at it. We mentioned
Speaker 1: this before, but I think Passes defended one of those
Speaker 1: stats that I think absolutely translates. He had thirty four
Speaker 1: over his career. For your starter senior captain, I like
Speaker 1: when you guys aren't lockstep with each other. Yeah, it's fun. Um.
Speaker 1: He was in the news this week his inctable appeal
Speaker 1: just got denied. The late round guy. This is a
Speaker 1: guy you're gonna have to do because I have not
Speaker 1: seen at play. Tell me about Drew Att from Iowa.
Speaker 1: First of all, you hate it for the kid because
Speaker 1: this he wanted to go back to Iowa and up
Speaker 1: until two weeks ago or this past week, he thought
Speaker 1: he was there. Yeah, and I'm an agent, you know,
Speaker 1: because he wanted to keep that option open and the
Speaker 1: NCA drugged their feet and um, appeal after appeal after appeal.
Speaker 1: But Drew will be a part of his draft class.
Speaker 1: He couldn't work out at the Calm. He wasn't the combine,
Speaker 1: I remember that, but he couldn't work out because of right,
Speaker 1: well the injury as well. Yeah, he missed most of
Speaker 1: his senior year because of an ACL or else also
Speaker 1: had an elbow injury, so he was really banged up. Um,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that, uh, you know, when you
Speaker 1: would think of an when Iowa pass rusher looks like
Speaker 1: this is Drew Watt. Uh you know it was all
Speaker 1: over the play so ration or you know, more hustle
Speaker 1: than skill. Um, you know he's uh, he's technically sounding
Speaker 1: in in some areas where he can you know, beat blockers.
Speaker 1: So you're getting a competitive hustler. Who was Aaron Campman
Speaker 1: from Iowa. Do you remember who I'm talking about with
Speaker 1: the Packers Nebraska? And I'll look him up one day
Speaker 1: Aaron Campon, I know, I know you're talking about. But
Speaker 1: for Drew Odd, I mean, he's he's a day three rusher.
Speaker 1: You know, he's tire to look at you just I
Speaker 1: have to look at him myself. I know now I
Speaker 1: have to do that and then he's on my things
Speaker 1: ahead of you, Brian, he is way ahead of me
Speaker 1: on on odd he's He's the last guy that I
Speaker 1: wrote up because for my book, because I was waiting
Speaker 1: to find out he's going to be part of this
Speaker 1: draft class? Is he not? And I did all the
Speaker 1: work on him, but I was just waiting, and so
Speaker 1: I did his report. Co Ago, of course you did
Speaker 1: all the work on a guy that you didn't know
Speaker 1: was going to be in the draft. Well, but so
Speaker 1: you're I mean, is he a draft pick you think
Speaker 1: or a priority free agent? Sounds banged up? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is pretty banged up and that and that's what it
Speaker 1: could come down to the medicals. If not for the injuries,
Speaker 1: he is draftable. Aaron Campman. He played ten years in
Speaker 1: the league. He was at schooled Iowa. Now you go,
Speaker 1: good memory, Yeah, thank you? Tell me more. Do we
Speaker 1: have time for one more? Yeah? Go for one more?
Speaker 1: Well I take that back day. That's fine if we
Speaker 1: do it quick. I want to take some calls. I
Speaker 1: really I care more about him as a returner than
Speaker 1: a corner. Cyrus Jones, Alabama another Senior Bowl guy, could
Speaker 1: be a top nickel corner for draft. You know, not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy, but he competes. That's the problem. Is though.
Speaker 1: You see the ball go over the top of him.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean, there's there's times now he
Speaker 1: battled those Mississippi. Those Mississippi's got some size at receiver
Speaker 1: and he battled his rear off to try and stay
Speaker 1: in position. But there are also some games where you
Speaker 1: see that ball go and he's doing all he can
Speaker 1: to go up the ladder to knock it away. The
Speaker 1: return part, though, is very very interesting. Yeah, he's quality,
Speaker 1: one of the best in the nation of doing that's
Speaker 1: what's his grade. I think there's a shot he could
Speaker 1: sneak into the top one hundred, but I think probably
Speaker 1: more fourth. Yeah. You know who loved working with him
Speaker 1: in Mobile was Mike Tomlin. Like he was he wanted
Speaker 1: to watch that guy more than any of the other
Speaker 1: guys that were there. Look good for Mike Tomlin's your
Speaker 1: buddy name, Mike Tomlin. I just love how he's always around.
Speaker 1: He's always everywhere, He's everywhere. Okay, Well, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for that day. Appreciate down and tell me more.
Speaker 1: All right, Ken Garrison, we got five minutes left in
Speaker 1: this show. I'm gonna turn it over to you now.
Speaker 1: Samon San Antonio you're up. Hey, guys, U one of
Speaker 1: the first I ask you to tell me more about
Speaker 1: Sua Cravens. Would you play him at safety or thank you?
Speaker 1: Or headline backer number one? Number two? Right? I know
Speaker 1: you like guys to think outside of the box. And
Speaker 1: this is where one thing I was thinking about. Um,
Speaker 1: if the you know, if the Browns did not go
Speaker 1: and they decided to go with RG three for this
Speaker 1: year and what have you, would you consider the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Let's say if they traded Terrence Williams and Ron Leary.
Speaker 1: I think he fit, they fit both of the needs
Speaker 1: that they Cleveland half and maybe they Cowboys swapped their
Speaker 1: third round pick four Cleveland's second round pick, and would
Speaker 1: that be uh? Would it marry up as far as
Speaker 1: the value? Okay, thank you? So we're moving. Players want picks,
Speaker 1: So we're sending Leary and Terrence and sixty seven two
Speaker 1: Cleveland four thirty three? Yeah for thirty three. Cleveland won't
Speaker 1: do it. That doesn't I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I appreciate the because he is no
Speaker 1: problem with that, and it might work with another trade partner.
Speaker 1: But Cleveland they don't want, you know, players, especially guys
Speaker 1: that are in one year deals and they want draft picks.
Speaker 1: They want guys they can develop in their own system.
Speaker 1: So and to a Craven's real quick. He's tough because
Speaker 1: where do you play him? That's the that's the question.
Speaker 1: He's more of a linebacker, I guess. But you have
Speaker 1: to have a plan for him. If you're going to
Speaker 1: draft him, you have to use him in a hybrid role.
Speaker 1: He's a very good football player. I mean he's always
Speaker 1: around the action. That's not by accident. He knows what
Speaker 1: he's doing out there. But you have to have a
Speaker 1: plan for how you're going to use him. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kim Bill and South Dakota go ahead. Hey thinks there's
Speaker 1: Philly call up and offer and Winch was still available,
Speaker 1: would you take next years one? I think they have
Speaker 1: a three and if they would would cost me too much. Okay,
Speaker 1: say it again. What you're trying to do Phillies offering us?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you're saying that Winch is still there, right, yep,
Speaker 1: Winch is on the board, and you want Phillies next
Speaker 1: year's one in their three? Right? Yeah? Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for the call. Appreciate getting next year's one
Speaker 1: and their third pick, their third round pick, and they
Speaker 1: get four. Yeah. Yeah, so you're dropping to eight. You're
Speaker 1: picking up next year's one. I would get in their third.
Speaker 1: I would totally do that. Which is the one I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I think just one, just the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're only talking about four spots. Yeah, pick seventy seven
Speaker 1: is the one he's talking about. Though. This would be
Speaker 1: kind of similar to so you pick eight thirty four,
Speaker 1: sixty seven, seventy seven, right, and this, and then you
Speaker 1: get two first round picks. Next year you get right,
Speaker 1: bring it on. This would be similar to what the
Speaker 1: Bills did to get Sammy Watkins. They traded a future
Speaker 1: one plus a three. I believe to get up and
Speaker 1: do that trade. So if the Eagles want a quarterback
Speaker 1: that badly you want to get in front of San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Dallas is telling Philly on the phone, and we got
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and Trent Bulky on the phone. They're offering something.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Philly would do that, but I would be
Speaker 1: so fascinating. You should be able to do it just
Speaker 1: for the one. You shouldn't be right if if they
Speaker 1: kicked it, they kicked the third. That would be even better.
Speaker 1: It would be even more fascinating if Wentz turns out
Speaker 1: to be something. I gotta figure out what we're gonna
Speaker 1: get at eight, though we do Philly wins the super
Speaker 1: Bowl because of a trade they made with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: That's what he was talking about. Ear that would be
Speaker 1: can't do that else. You got to hope that you're
Speaker 1: on the beach somewhere and Puerto Rico when that hams?
Speaker 1: All right, Ken, who do you got Fernando in Vegas?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Fernando. Hey, guys, Hey guys. Uh So, would
Speaker 1: you take Ramsey and and Dixon or Elliott? And Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going with Option B. Whatever scenario gets me Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott is the one that I want. What he said,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's and a beast. I mean, really, Xavien
Speaker 1: Howard a lot too. So I mean I'm getting two.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a really good player at a position that
Speaker 1: I really need, cornerback, and then my favorite player in
Speaker 1: this draft. Yeah. Sure, this is tough because I usually
Speaker 1: leaned towards the better player overall, which would in my mind,
Speaker 1: is right because you don't think Dixon, you don't think that,
Speaker 1: you don't think Ramsey's high enough to notify Dixon on
Speaker 1: my boards when the sixties or early seventies, something like that.
Speaker 1: It's me. He's an early third round pick. So for me, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you like Dixon a lot, I'll take number one. There
Speaker 1: you go, that would be me so good for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Ramsey and you're taking Ramsey and Dixon. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I got a one into two. A deal. Can't go ahead?
Speaker 1: All right? Last one Matt and Georgia go ahead, Matt. Oh,
Speaker 1: how's it going, guys? Um I saw a tweet to
Speaker 1: a Tard Archer suggesting that Zeke could potentially help the
Speaker 1: defense more than any other picket for and he was
Speaker 1: comparing Murray's twenty fourteen effect by helping the defense South Filton,
Speaker 1: but Todd Archer replied suggestion that Romo's presidence also help
Speaker 1: the defense. So when you say that somebody like Zeke
Speaker 1: would help best Proos career, I think you certainly make
Speaker 1: that argument. Yeah, I think that's h and that is
Speaker 1: the argument for Zeke. I mean you're you're you're looking
Speaker 1: back two years ago with DeMarco Murray what he did
Speaker 1: for this team, and you think Zeke can come in
Speaker 1: and provide a similar type of impact. Not only is
Speaker 1: Zeke helping your quarterback and your entire offense as a whole,
Speaker 1: but uh, that creates a ripple effect, which again helps
Speaker 1: your quarterback, helps the defense. So I mean that's why
Speaker 1: if this team picks a Zkie Elliott, I don't think
Speaker 1: they would, but if they do, zero problem with it.
Speaker 1: I'll have no problem being wrong if they take Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: This is bombastic and like kind of over there, yam. Somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody said that it might have been it was Douglas.
Speaker 1: Douglas said that the other day Zeke is Zeke is
Speaker 1: too Romo and l god, I can't even say it.
Speaker 1: Zeke is Terrell Davis to Romo's Elway is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say. You bring in a young stud and
Speaker 1: you know, those Denver teams that won those Super bo
Speaker 1: didn't win him because John Elway was the end all
Speaker 1: be all, and if you got Ezekiel Elliott there, Romo
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be the end all be all either.
Speaker 1: It was good comparison, Douglas. I liked it all all right, well,
Speaker 1: very good, all right. Well that's all the time we
Speaker 1: have for the Draft show today. I want to thank
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive produce. I also
Speaker 1: want to thank Scott and Day for putting all the
Speaker 1: little graphics and stuff together for us today and making
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