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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 3: I'm strong and Jetty and he armstrong and yetty.

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Speaker 1: The recent assassination of the healthcare CEO has caused a

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Speaker 1: number of people to display their true colors, including one

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren.

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Speaker 4: Stop and think overall about the social contract, get a

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Speaker 4: part of the deal, and how we've kept this democracy's

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Speaker 4: economy of this country on a fairly steady path for

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Speaker 4: more than two hundred years has been that those at

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Speaker 4: the top pay a little more in taxes, are a

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Speaker 4: little less rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody

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Speaker 4: else at least gets chance. And what happens when you

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Speaker 4: turn this into the billionaires run at all is they

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Speaker 4: get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. Yeah, and look,

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Speaker 4: we'll say it over and over. Violence is never the answer.

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Speaker 4: This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO

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Speaker 4: of United Health.

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Speaker 3: But you can only push people so far.

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Speaker 4: And then they start to take matters into their own hands.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, nan, no, no no no no no no no

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Speaker 5: no no, I'm just doing the tomahawk chop.

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Speaker 1: How in the world does she keep getting elected? Elizabeth Warren.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the murder of the healthcare CEO,

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Speaker 1: the reaction to it, and all matters healthcare with Craig Gotwalls.

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Speaker 1: Craig the healthcare guru, attorney, law benefit consultant, benefit of Revolution,

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Speaker 1: and good longtime friend of the AG show.

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Speaker 3: Craig, How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, gentlemen, Thank you much for having me on.

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Speaker 5: First of all, Joe and I went with humor around

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Speaker 5: the fact that she's a pretend Indian and glossed over

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Speaker 5: how outrageous that is what she just said. Excuse me,

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Speaker 5: so much wrong with that on every level anyway.

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Speaker 1: Now, Craig, is you as a person who has immerged

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Speaker 1: in the world of benefits and health care and insurance

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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and a person of good conscience,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, and a student of the media. What have

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Speaker 1: what's your reaction been to the murder and the ensuing discussion.

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Speaker 1: I know you've probably got a million things to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the oversimplified reaction I would give is,

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Speaker 2: you know, just the assumption that, like I just don't

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Speaker 2: even engage in the whole concept and the idea of

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Speaker 2: you know, it's appropriate to slaughter people in the streets,

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Speaker 2: one individual because you don't like what a whole industry

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Speaker 2: is doing. I mean, obviously it's the most insane, ridiculous, murderous,

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Speaker 2: horrific way you would ever address any issue. And so,

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Speaker 2: of course, I think, guys, I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: what you're seeing out there is sort of like you've

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Speaker 2: said in the past, you know, like you're frustrated at something,

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Speaker 2: you're angry at something, and part of humor is is

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Speaker 2: the dark sort of stuff that you're not willing to

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Speaker 2: say out loud. And I think a lot of what

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Speaker 2: we're seeing online is probably that, you know, just the

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Speaker 2: irreverent attempts at humor. But I mean, obviously this isn't

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Speaker 2: the way to address the matter. I mean, we've created

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Speaker 2: this government corporate alliance in healthcare that is just bullied

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Speaker 2: the American people for really for sixty years, but most

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Speaker 2: intensely for thirty years, and so you just have tremendous

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Speaker 2: even really understand where they should channel their frustration. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of the frustration channeling, if you will, is

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Speaker 2: falling along party lines like everything else in our world.

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Speaker 2: So some people blame the government, some people blame private

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Speaker 2: equity and large corporations, and I'm here to tell you

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Speaker 2: there's plenty of blame to go around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one thing that's frustrated me, frustrated me, and

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Speaker 1: maybe you've heard us hammer on it, is that all

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Speaker 1: these people who are howling about the greed of the

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Speaker 1: healthcare companies, the insurance companies and all, they never mentioned

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Speaker 1: the unholy nexus with government and how Obamacare in particular

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Speaker 1: just utterly perverb the industry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's funny you bring that up. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: of you know that the book that is cited. You know,

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Speaker 2: he had words written on the bullets and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people jumped on the book Delay Defend, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: Delay Deny Defend by Jay Feinman was the book. That

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Speaker 2: book was written in twenty ten. So the reality is there,

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Speaker 2: if there ever was a time when large insurance companies

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Speaker 2: were financially economically motivated to deny claims systematically, that may

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Speaker 2: have existed prior to twenty ten. Now there's a whole

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Speaker 2: other economic argument that it's bad for the insurance industry.

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Speaker 2: Its claims don't grow, they want claims to grow because

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Speaker 2: that's how they charge more premium. But set that aside

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Speaker 2: if you accept the fact that, okay, before twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: they wanted to deny claims right to keep more money.

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Speaker 2: That all changed with Obamacare, because, as a reminder for

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Speaker 2: your listeners, Obamacare coming in the law in March of

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Speaker 2: twenty ten specifically said okay, now there's price controls. Now

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Speaker 2: an insurance company may we keep fifteen percent more than claims.

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Speaker 2: So what that means is when you add up all

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Speaker 2: the medical claims in a giving year, the insurance company

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Speaker 2: profit and overhead. So everything flipped with Obamacare. The whole

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Speaker 2: incentive to keep costs down went away, and insurance companies

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Speaker 2: very quickly realized in twenty ten, oh my god, we

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Speaker 2: need claims to grow because that's the only way we

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Speaker 2: can charge more premium. So it's funny that a lot

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Speaker 2: of this this is like you guys talk about when

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Speaker 2: you hear the mainstream media talk about radio. It's way

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Speaker 2: more wrong than it's right. That's what's going on here

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Speaker 2: is everybody's talking about this. This book that was written

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Speaker 2: doesn't even exist anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting.

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Speaker 5: And then in his manifesto he talked about how we

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Speaker 5: have the worst life expectancy of any first world country

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Speaker 5: or whatever, and then I heard that broken down yesterday

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Speaker 3: There's a number of reasons why that's inaccurate.

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Speaker 5: We count a life expectancy different than a lot of

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Speaker 5: people that put out their data around childhood deaths in

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Speaker 5: the first year. We also are the only country on

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Speaker 5: the list where people drive a lot, and we have

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Speaker 5: a lot of deaths from automobiles. And then we have

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Speaker 5: a certain segment of society that's constantly shooting each other.

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Speaker 3: If you take all those out, our life.

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Speaker 5: Expectancy is pretty good, and it's got nothing to do

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Speaker 5: None of those things have anything to do with health insurance. No,

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Speaker 5: you're exactly right, Jack, and deathly sentinel has nothing to

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Speaker 5: do with the level of my deductibles, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: go ahead, Craig, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, and then if there

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Speaker 2: is I would just say, you know, being inside of

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Speaker 2: the healthcare industry and understanding all of the various landmines

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Speaker 2: gotten incredibly good at as a society. It's keeping people

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Speaker 2: system is amazing at addressing acute issues. We're horrible at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I'd like to hear more about that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe next segment. Can you give folks a three to

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Speaker 1: four minute whatever you think is appropriate little primer for

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Speaker 1: people are not hip to this, the relationship between government

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Speaker 1: and stuff, and those of us with private insurance, and

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Speaker 1: how Congress has handled the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this started all the way back in the

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Speaker 2: late nineties. It started. It started with Clinton. Bush could

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Speaker 2: down the road. Every president's guilty of this issue. But

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Speaker 2: what happened starting in the nineties was medical inflation, like

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Speaker 2: true inflation. What hospitals and doctors needed to treat you

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Speaker 2: you know, when we talk about government healthcare, it's overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid inflation was going up faster than Medicare

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Speaker 2: one of the ways they would pass these massive boondogle

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Speaker 2: So what they would say is, well, we're going to

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Speaker 2: and that's how we're going to fund whatever pet project

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Speaker 2: true medical inflation. So what happens then is employer plans,

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Speaker 2: we have to pay many times three, four, five, six

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Speaker 2: want a larger reimbursement for those medical claims. So there's

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Speaker 2: reimbursements artificially low, at like one percent increase per year,

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Speaker 2: and then that gives you the green light insurance industry

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and charge seven, eight, nine, ten percent

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Speaker 2: this ridiculous, absurd situation where employers are paying three to

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Speaker 1: And then Congress found a way to compel doctors and

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Speaker 2: Well compels, there's still no there's no compel there. You

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Speaker 2: can still actually find individual doctors that won't take Medicare

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Speaker 2: and Medicaid, but it's still incredibly rare because there's this

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Speaker 2: well a it's the largest customer. The federal government is

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Speaker 2: now the largest customer of every healthcare system. So I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure there is a hospital out there that doesn't

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Speaker 2: but it's there's a there's a you can't live on

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Speaker 2: the one third that are paying private rates. You still

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Speaker 5: That number that you just hit us with only a

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Speaker 5: we got our insurance through our company at work only

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Speaker 2: Of us, Well I should, yeah, I should be more

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Speaker 2: specific with that, Jackets, It's probably closer to forty percent.

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Speaker 2: I'm falling back on the statistic that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: on your show before, and that's the seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: healthcare is now paid for by the taxpayers. Because when

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Speaker 2: you when you add up Medicare and Medicaid VA, you know,

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Speaker 2: all of the community care programs, and then you even

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Speaker 2: add up all of the federal and state workers, taxpayers

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Speaker 2: pay about seventy percent. So about thirty percent of healthcare

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Speaker 2: is paid for by private individuals, but probably more like

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Speaker 2: forty percent are actually getting their healthcare at work. But

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Speaker 2: you know, some of us work for cities and states

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Speaker 2: and governments, et cetera. It's always way more complicated than

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Speaker 1: It, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things, one of the things we hit on. Hold,

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Speaker 2: I want to hit this Joe real quick, if you

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Speaker 2: don't mind, go ahead. Mentioned recently that we talked about

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Speaker 2: knew it blew your mind when we spoke about it privately.

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Speaker 2: It's about one hundred million Americans. Roughly thirty percent of

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows that.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that un till you told me right right.

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Speaker 3: So you did turned down it.

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Speaker 2: Company exactly right. And then how do you know, well,

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Speaker 3: Craig, Absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you know what's annoying me about this, this kid

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Speaker 3: I love that the CEOs are afraid right now.

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Speaker 6: You should be, by and large, You're all a bunch

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Speaker 6: is that's Bill Burr, the comedian. That's some French Revolution

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Speaker 3: What's the history of government healthcare around the world.

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Speaker 2: As we've talked on your show before many times, it's horrific, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're seeing here in healthcare. We're

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Speaker 2: you don't fix that by randomly slaughtering somebody in the streets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just insane.

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Speaker 1: Can you do sixty seconds on what would be first

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Speaker 2: Says, As you mentioned before, I made a housing difference

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Speaker 2: reality is, as a guy who installs large insurance plans,

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Speaker 2: my best advice to everybody, individuals, employers, everybody, buy as

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Speaker 2: little insurance as you can. Really interesting, yes, yes, because

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Speaker 2: you when you buy insurance, you're getting You're getting into

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Speaker 2: ensure that it may the most money. Great, I get it,

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Speaker 2: we got to transfer risk for certain things. But if

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Speaker 5: That is fascinating. That is not what I did on

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Speaker 1: With That is great stum, sorry to jump in, that's

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Speaker 1: great stuff. If people want more on benefits insurance, how

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Speaker 3: Ten seconds?

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Speaker 2: Got walls dot substaff dot com is probably the fastest

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Speaker 1: And we'll have a link at Armstrong in getty dot

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Speaker 1: out Wells, Craig, thanks a million, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Much more to come hope you can stick around Armstrong

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Speaker 3: Could you come inside?

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Speaker 4: Some worry.

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem.

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Speaker 5: No, you know that kid sounded like he was reading

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Speaker 5: So you know, if you've been if you've been doing

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what are human beings

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Speaker 1: You know, quote unquote tech, I swear is the apple

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Speaker 5: Troubles me greatly and home, and I only think about

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Speaker 3: There might not be.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know who else is Time Magazine's person of

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Speaker 1: the year Jack Perhaps you've heard of him, Hitler.

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Speaker 5: And so the combination of those two things with this

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Speaker 5: CNN poll that is out, first of all, the CNN

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Speaker 5: poll on how do you feel Trump is handling the transition?

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Speaker 5: Fifty five forty five approved. He's got a ten point win.

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Speaker 5: We're just a couple of weeks ago. He was Hitler

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Speaker 5: according to everyone except for people who are going to

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Speaker 5: vote for Trump.

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Speaker 1: And to me, the most interesting part of the transition,

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Speaker 1: the way it's being run is he's more or less

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Speaker 1: the president already.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could revive James Madison and have him say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the have the new guys start early. The old guy's

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Speaker 1: not doing anything, so let's get started. Because that's the

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Speaker 1: feel of it, according to Democrats.

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Speaker 5: According to Politico over the weekend, unnamed democrats in the

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Speaker 5: White House saying, yeah, it feels like Trump's the president already.

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Speaker 5: Democrats and the White House are saying that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's absolutely amazing. So they break it down. Your choices

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Speaker 5: on here are a lot of confidence, some confidence, no

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Speaker 5: real confidence, no opinion. And here's all these different categories

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Speaker 5: that Trump's killing it in. Dealing with the economy. You

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Speaker 5: add up a lot of confidence with some confidence. He's

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Speaker 5: at sixty five percent in the you know, positive territory

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Speaker 5: on dealing with the economy, handling the war between Russia

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Speaker 5: and Ukraine sixty two, dealing with immigration policy sixty providing

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Speaker 5: real leadership for the country fifty nine, handling foreign airs.

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Speaker 5: God Ian Bremer and people like him constantly writing how

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Speaker 5: nervous world leaders are now that Trump's coming back into

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Speaker 5: the eyes. Okay, well, Americans are fifty five percent of

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Speaker 5: them either a lot or somewhat okay with way he's

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Speaker 5: going to handle it, Appointing the best people to office

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Speaker 5: fifty four percent, and then the most amazing one given

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Speaker 5: January sixth, using the power of the presidency responsibly fifty

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Speaker 5: four percent.

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Speaker 3: He's above fifty on all of those categories. It's stunning. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: how much of it is.

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Speaker 5: The positive Trump thing? How much of it is the

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Speaker 5: negative Democrat thing? They're just so not liked or respected

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Speaker 5: or trusted. Yes, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I would love to think

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Speaker 1: long and hard about this and question others from a

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Speaker 1: completely nonpartisan point of view, just trying to understand and

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Speaker 1: how an electorate moves from one place to another.

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Speaker 3: Is part of it?

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Speaker 1: Just the dimming of memories, the when Lestrei's hand sung

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Speaker 1: those too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget.

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Speaker 1: Is there a certain amount of that of the negatives

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Speaker 1: of Trump?

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Speaker 3: As you point out.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a binary choice, and the current guy is

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Speaker 1: just a miserable looser. So yeah, we're gonna go with

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Speaker 1: the next guy. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So final thing on this.

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Speaker 5: Democrats are still trying to do a bit of an autopsy,

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Speaker 5: not just on the election but on their party, like

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Speaker 5: where are we and what's the future and everything like that.

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Speaker 5: Polling suggests that Trump is ideologically closer to the median

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Speaker 5: voter than Kamala Harris. Shock Third Way, which is a

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Speaker 5: centrist democratic think tank their job is to figure this

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Speaker 5: stuff out to get Democrats elected, conducted a post election

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Speaker 5: survey asking voters to place themselves Harris and Trump on

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Speaker 5: a scale ranging from zero very liberal to ten very conservative.

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Speaker 5: The mean response was two point four poin five for Harris,

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Speaker 5: just dang close down to the liberal end. Seven point

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Speaker 5: seven eight for Trump. For all voters, it's five point

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Speaker 5: six y three. So Trump is way closer to where

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Speaker 5: the average American is than Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not even close. No wonder he won.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's striking. I thought I had it and

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Speaker 1: that's with me.

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Speaker 5: And if you lean Wright, it's good news because the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party, if they want to have any say whatsoever,

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Speaker 5: is going to have to move closer to us.

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Speaker 3: If they want to have any say whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Well, and for the emptieth time, the media is just

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Speaker 1: a far left freak show. I mean, nobody believes what

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Speaker 1: they believe. Statistically speaking, Why are they still in business, Well,

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Speaker 1: they're they're rapidly going out of business. Ah. One final

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Speaker 1: thought on that. And this is so remarkable to me.

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Speaker 1: I find no need to relitigate the election. But after

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Speaker 1: the election they hold this event. I think it's at

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Speaker 1: Georgetown again. I'll bet I could find it real quick.

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Speaker 1: But where the heavyweights of the two candidates campaigns get

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Speaker 1: together and they compare notes and they make jokes and

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Speaker 1: they cast dispersions and that sort of thing. And it's

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Speaker 1: most Americans are totally unaware of it. But if you're

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Speaker 1: a Beltway freak. I mean, this is the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy interesting if you're in the campaigns. And Carl

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Speaker 1: Rove just wrote a piece for The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: that at Today's, at this year's autopsy, the higher ups

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Speaker 1: in the Harris campaign were saying, we ran a flawless campaign.

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Speaker 1: We hit all the notes. Wow, it was mostly misogyny

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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. And they were dead blank

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Speaker 1: and serious.

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Speaker 5: Good good, good luck, good luck with that, Good luck

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Speaker 5: with thinking that's it, good luck with ignoring this think

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Speaker 5: tank who said you're way out of step with the

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Speaker 5: mean American You're not even close. Go ahead, I think

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Speaker 5: it's misogyny, racism, please do. Okay, So it's Harvard.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, Kamala Harris's campaign of chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: Shila Nicks, jolted the conference Thursday night by boasting that

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Speaker 1: Democrats ran a pretty flawless campaign.

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Speaker 3: In quotes, Ms.

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Speaker 1: Harris did all the steps that were required to be successful,

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Speaker 1: she claimed, we hit all the marks. This earned derision

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Speaker 1: from Trump campaign co manager Chris Lsovita, as it should have,

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Speaker 1: and then he gets on to the you know, well,

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Speaker 1: the obvious problems with her campaign and the electorate not

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Speaker 1: separating yourself from Biden. We don't need to go over

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Speaker 1: that again, but it is just amazing to me the

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Speaker 1: extent to which these people are are siloed and still

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Speaker 1: clueless about what happened. And as you said, well good,

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Speaker 1: So the.

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Speaker 5: Phrase of the day has to be Iranian mothership. We

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Speaker 5: he's got to be impeached today or recalled or whatever

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Speaker 5: you do with congressman. I mean, there's an Iranian mothership

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Speaker 5: off the coast that is sending quoting him SUV sized

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Speaker 3: Nobody is claiming they're that pick.

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Speaker 1: We'll start there, but the whole New Jersey drone thing

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Speaker 1: is incredibly troubling and concerning. So more on that after

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Speaker 5: I know there's one more Trump's flying high today that

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Speaker 5: I left out. Zuckerberg donated a million dollars to Trump's

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Speaker 5: inauguration thing. That's a privately funded deal. Your whole inauguration. Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 5: who was part of the hole. He's Hitler and they'll

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Speaker 5: never be another election. He's given him a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to hear that tired yet frantic rhetoric

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Speaker 1: again next election? Surely not when jd Vance or some

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Speaker 1: governor who only half of America has heard, Governor Jones,

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Speaker 1: He's like, Hitler, will never have.

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Speaker 3: Another election if this guy or woman wins, right, will

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Speaker 3: they go back to that rancid icky?

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Speaker 5: Well, what about the Trump invited President g to come

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Speaker 5: to the inauguration.

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Speaker 3: That's never been done before.

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Speaker 5: There's never been an invite, and no Chinese leader is

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Speaker 5: ever or a foreign leader of any kind.

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Speaker 3: Trump's trying to make a really big party for that day.

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Speaker 3: But wow, we'll.

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Speaker 5: Revisit that in January probably. Uh yeah, we got Iranian

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Speaker 5: motherships off the coast. That's nothing to sneeze at. Stay

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Speaker 5: tuned for that story.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee on the

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Speaker 8: Aviation subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from

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Speaker 8: very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you the real deal.

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Speaker 8: Iran launched a mothership, probably about a month ago, that

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Speaker 8: contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna tell.

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Speaker 3: You the deal.

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Speaker 8: It's off the east coast of the United States of America.

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Speaker 8: They've launched drones. Is everything that we can see or hear.

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Speaker 8: And again, these are from high sources. I don't say

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Speaker 8: this lightly.

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Speaker 5: That's an actual congress person who's clearly a nutjob.

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Speaker 1: Oh a hasty leap to judgment there, folks.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you the deal. I've got highly placed sources.

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Speaker 5: I'm on this committee. In that committee, an Iranian mothership

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Speaker 5: has landed on the off the coast of the United

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Speaker 5: States is launching these SUV sized drones.

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Speaker 3: Just fine us.

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Speaker 1: We have another cliff of them in which he uses

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Speaker 1: the term mothership.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of needing a definition of can we be more?

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Speaker 1: Do you mean like a ship shipper, like a giant drone?

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Speaker 3: What are we talking stuff?

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Speaker 2: Saying?

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Speaker 1: Mother Anyway, the all humor aside, unless you want more humor,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. This is extremely frustrating and perplexing that we

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Speaker 1: have multiple quite a few owns buzzing New Jersey slash

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Speaker 1: New York, including some of our most sensitive military sites,

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Speaker 1: and they did the same previously at Vandenberg Air Force

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Speaker 1: Base in Virginia not very long ago.

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Speaker 3: And our brave.

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Speaker 1: Defenders are throwing their hands up and saying, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 5: Well, the governor is a serious person. We should hear

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Speaker 5: from him, whatever clip that is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: There was a wild assertation by Congressman Andrew today about

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Speaker 7: Iran with a big boat off of man So the

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Speaker 7: Department of Defense of the zero evidence to that effect.

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Speaker 7: FBI said zero evidence. I'm not sure what he's been

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Speaker 7: watching lately, but he might want to watch the news.

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Speaker 7: Going to be on again with the White House tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: I want folks out there to know we're not listen.

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Speaker 7: You're frustrated, so are we. I promise you this is

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Speaker 7: our top priority.

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Speaker 5: The governor just said figuring out what the drones are

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Speaker 5: is the top priority of the top executive of the

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Speaker 5: state of New Jersey, which I find it really be something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if there is an innocent explanation to all of

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Speaker 1: this this, if it's just mischief.

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Speaker 3: Or wouldn't they tell the governor? Well, but well, you

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's the frustrating part of it is nobody seems to

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Speaker 1: be doing what it takes to figure this out.

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Speaker 3: Down these drones track them, and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what technology you'd use, So if it's impossible,

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Speaker 1: forgive me. But how can we be so impotent in

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Speaker 1: the face of something that might well be Chinese surveillance

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Speaker 1: or a test run for a weaponized drones.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 5: The Governor, like me when I heard mothership, was picturing

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Speaker 5: a boat at sea. But I think the congress person

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Speaker 5: is picturing like your Star Wars Star Trek type motherships

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Speaker 5: right in space or.

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Speaker 1: At least in the sky. I just said off the

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Speaker 1: east coast. You didn't specify an altitude.

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Speaker 5: What does the congressman get off saying Iran as a

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Speaker 5: mothership on the coast of the United States launching suv

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Speaker 5: sized drones, which nobody else is saying.

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Speaker 3: They're even close to that big.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Well, they're like the treaty electrocrack pot.

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Speaker 5: Yes, perhaps they're like four feet across. I mean, so

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Speaker 5: they're not tiny drones. Four feet is the decent size,

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Speaker 5: not not an suv.

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Speaker 3: But what a crazy story. What's your guess?

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Speaker 1: Does this end up being something innocent and dopey or insidious.

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Speaker 5: Having read an awful lot about the Chinese spy balloon,

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Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be something in that world. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's China or Russia or Iran or whoever,

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Speaker 5: but I think it's something like that. And I think

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Speaker 5: we're gonna all be very disappointed that we let somebody

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Speaker 5: spy on us for so long and couldn't figure out

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Speaker 5: what was going on.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that makes me wonder is that whoever's

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Speaker 1: doing it is clearly at risk of showing their hand

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Speaker 1: right if our people can ever do anything about this,

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Speaker 1: like we've been talking about.

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Speaker 3: But and that makes me wonder.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Well, you would have thought China wouldn't

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Speaker 5: want to scent their spiballoon across the country the way

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Speaker 5: they did and get outed.

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