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Speaker 1: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 1: you can make your own decisions. Ah, welcome back to behind.

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Speaker 1: Wait no, sorry, it could happen here.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep that in so that our audience, who I

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Speaker 1: knows that I too, air speaking of perfect creatures who

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Speaker 1: have never made a mistake. Our guest today is Dan Olsen. Hello, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Hi Dan.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, not making mistakes exactly exactly. You are

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Speaker 1: the Buddha I met on the road, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say hello, teach me how to be flawless.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, first, have you heard of gold?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was about to talk about gold. The perfect

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Speaker 1: investment Dan, perfect investment vehicle never fails. So Dan, you

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Speaker 1: are a YouTuber, an investigator, one of my favorite researchers.

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Speaker 1: We had you on recently to talk well a couple

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Speaker 1: we had you wanted to talk about your work reporting

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Speaker 1: on the NFT bubble bursting and on the metaverse bubble bursting,

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Speaker 1: and more recently, you just published a two and a

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Speaker 1: half hour documentary investigation into.

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Speaker 2: The game Stop stock cult.

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Speaker 1: Which is a lot of people are aware of the

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Speaker 1: first part of this, which is that in January twenty

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Speaker 1: game Stop stock, which, in a period of pretty exaggerated decline,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where most.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they they remember that week where it was like

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's been a It's an interesting and

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Speaker 4: weird ride because the evolution into like cult like behavior was.

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Speaker 2: It was a very strange journey.

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Speaker 4: It happened surprisingly rapidly, but also not that surprisingly, Like

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Speaker 4: Internet movement that is very nebulous in its origins or

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Speaker 4: not in its origin. Sorry, the orders are very straightforward,

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Speaker 4: like Wall Street Bets is a gambling sub that had

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Speaker 4: irony poisoned. You can get just as much social clout

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Speaker 4: And sure enough, like I went back and reviewed our

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Speaker 4: They call themselves apes for reasons that are not worth explaining.

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Speaker 4: Their enemy are short sellers. But short sellers are like

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Speaker 4: Doc Bury short sold the housing market. And Bury is

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Speaker 4: that's Christian Bales character, right, Christian Bales character.

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Speaker 4: All of the main characters in that movie short sold

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Speaker 4: That was their play. That was the big short was.

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Speaker 4: They're like, look, there's this bubble, we're going to short

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Speaker 1: And I should we should go just because when I

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Speaker 1: The basic idea and this is all occurring with like

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Speaker 1: immediately sell them for their their present value, right, and

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the idea.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the that's the idea. You you can, as

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Speaker 4: You can take out a short position with your broker,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's the kind of thing where like today

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I think that's that's enough background back to the

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Speaker 1: that hype was driven by influencers, right, and that there's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so one of the weird kind of so pump

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Speaker 2: Online dog food sales. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when he buys in like that kind of like

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Speaker 2: That they heard about through their cousin.

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Speaker 1: I think another thing that's kind of interesting to me

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Speaker 1: of transitions into being this millenarian kind of apocalypse cult right,

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Speaker 1: like not you know, nukes and stuff, end of days

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Speaker 1: apocalypse generally, but like a the entire economy is going

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Speaker 1: to come The belief that kind of has evolved broadly

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Speaker 1: world economy hostage until they have their increasingly ourcane demands met, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is the belief, and that.

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Speaker 2: They would be short game stuff stuff that. It's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, so I wanted to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: financial moves are going to go out, right, Yeah, a

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Speaker 4: Now, So, I mean, you've seen this a lot with

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Speaker 2: Well? Because it it hypes you up. It makes you

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Speaker 4: You got a tingle feeling in your tummy when you

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Speaker 8: It's like asking why do we like magicians? Of course

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Speaker 8: makes us feel a sense of wonder. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: This is not a community I had studied. I thought

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Speaker 1: you misspoke at first when you described like someone reach

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Speaker 7: I was like, okay, this is a thing they say.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people are like, I thought you misspoke.

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Speaker 1: was most interested in me was the whole Teddy Day,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Day, Oh boy, Teddy d Yeah. Can you explain

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Speaker 1: Teddy Day to our listeners?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Ryan Cohen, who fancies himself an activist investor,

444
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: he buys into game Stop and gets a minority, pretty

445
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: substantial holdings that count as like a minority thing. You

446
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: need to file a bunch of paperwork with the sec

447
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: that say, like you know, it's like I hold greater

448
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: than ten percent of this company. And he used that

449
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 4: position to basically get power inside the company itself as

450
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Speaker 4: chairman as of a couple of weeks ago.

451
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Speaker 2: He's now CEO.

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Speaker 4: So so Ryan Cohen gets heavily involved with with Game

453
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Speaker 4: Stop and he's like, I'm gonna turn this around because

454
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Speaker 4: his real angs, what seems to be his anxiety in

455
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 4: life at the moment, is this like sense of legacy.

456
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 4: He doesn't just want to be like like, oh, I

457
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: got lucky with an online pet food sales thing. I'm

458
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Speaker 4: a I'm a real I'm a big boy finance guy,

459
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Speaker 4: you know, I save dying companies, real rich guy hobby.

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Speaker 4: He puts out a series of children's books called Teddy,

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Speaker 4: named after.

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Speaker 2: His late father.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And these are it's it's five books that have a

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Speaker 2: target audience of two year olds.

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Speaker 4: That because you know, when when you're rich and you

467
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Speaker 4: want to do something like that, you want to vanity

468
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Speaker 4: published books. You don't just like go to an off

469
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Speaker 4: the shelf vanity publisher. You make your own vanity publisher

470
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Speaker 4: because in the scheme of things like that's just not

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Speaker 4: that expensive.

472
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Speaker 2: So Amazon has made it easier than ever, easier than ever.

473
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Speaker 4: So he found this LLC, you know, air Quote Founds

474
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: pays the like six hundred bucks in filing fees to

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Speaker 4: create this LLC. Teddy Publishing files a whole bunch of trademarks.

476
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Speaker 4: You know, we're talking like a few thousand dollars all

477
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Speaker 4: in all in order to file, like in order to

478
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Speaker 4: just file a bunch of paperwork. And this is all

479
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: just like the scattershot stuff of like, Okay, we're making

480
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Speaker 4: a product aimed at children, let's file the trademark for

481
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 4: Teddy very broadly, and so it's going to cover like

482
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Speaker 4: basically children's merchandise across the board. You know, what if

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Speaker 4: we want to put what if we want to put

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Speaker 4: the characters on blankets or bottles or cups or plates

485
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Speaker 4: or party supplies or whatever. So these trademarks are just

486
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Speaker 4: incredibly wide ranging across just merch Yeah. But the existence

487
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 4: of these trademark applications and this LLC becomes the seed

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Speaker 4: for Teddy the company. As this like the mechanism through

489
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: which Ryan Cohen is going to collaborate with Apes in

490
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Speaker 4: order to trigger MOASS. Because I guess this is the

491
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: important thing about the mythology. Apes believe Ryan Cohen is

492
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: on their side, that he is, he is their inside man,

493
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 4: he is working with them. He is as frustrated as

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00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: they are that this hasn't happened yet. But for like

495
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: arcane legal reasons. He needs to like he needs to

496
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: operate like a like a clockmaker, you know, he has

497
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: to do everything very delicately and indirectly, and like his

498
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: hand cannot be seen pushing on the scales. So they

499
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: think that it's like that this becomes the thing that

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Speaker 4: they view all of their all of their hopes and

501
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: dreams into his Teddy llc that it's like, this is

502
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 4: the thing that he's going to use as the mechanism

503
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Speaker 4: to do this. He's going to like buy game Stop

504
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 4: via Teddy. He's gonna buy maybe some other company via Teddy.

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00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: Teddy's going to get bought in to, like is gonna

506
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: get bought by game Stop, like one way or another.

507
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 4: There were like hundreds of competing theories all rooted in

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Speaker 4: in this.

509
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Speaker 2: But then back in.

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Speaker 4: January of this year, a insanity starts in two So

511
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: in both GameStop forums and bed Bath and Beyond forums,

512
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 4: the two meme stocks that are linked by Ryan Cohen,

513
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Speaker 4: they they create this idea called Teddy Day, which is

514
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: a combination of a bunch of things. So Ryan Cohen

515
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Speaker 4: tweeted several Titanic references. James Cameron's Titanic was being re

516
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Speaker 4: released this past February on a day that aligned with

517
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Speaker 4: National Teddy Bear Day, and so two different communities of apes,

518
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: for completely separate reasons, latched onto this idea of Teddy Day.

519
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: It was Friday, February tenth, twenty twenty three.

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00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: They latched onto it.

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00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: As just this that like, this is the day, this

522
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: is when it's all going to come together, this is

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: when he's going to make his big move. And a

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Speaker 4: major driving piece of evidence that they had for Teddy

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Speaker 4: Day was that in one of the Teddy books, the

526
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Speaker 4: kids learned to read a clock and the hands on

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Speaker 4: the clock are pointed to ten and two. So Ryan

528
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: Cohen left them clues in this children's book published six

529
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: months early, warning them that that February tenth was going

530
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Speaker 4: to be the day that it all went down.

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Speaker 2: That was the day of the apocalypse. That was Teddy Day.

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Speaker 4: And it got just like the the spread of this

533
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: got just like absolutely unhinged on the forms, like it

534
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: was all that super stunk and BBB why we're talking

535
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: about For like a week and a half leading up

536
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: to it, the hype was like unreal and then of

537
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: course nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: You you I don't know if you noticed this.

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Speaker 4: But but the US economy did not collapse last February.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good.

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Speaker 1: I had been I have been living like a postal

542
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: apocalyptic warlord under the assumption that it had. But all, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll pivot now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So so it's just it's one of those like it's

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Speaker 4: just such a great encapsulation of the fact that like

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Speaker 4: that these communities, they will they will invent these these

548
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: catalyst moments, convinced themselves that like, oh, here's a date

549
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: that's upcoming, and then the moment that, like the great

550
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: disappointment happens, some of them like bleed off, but for

551
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: the most part, like it. Nothing can actually like stop

552
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: the inertia. They can just discard it. And and they did.

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00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: They you know, no one talks about Teddy Day anymore

554
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: except for the fact that like it, it had a

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Speaker 4: brief Teddy Day two point zero as October second was

556
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Speaker 4: like upcoming, because you know, ah, maybe it wasn't the

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Speaker 4: tenth of February, it was the second of October, you know.

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Speaker 4: And and sure like I'm willing to bet that when

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Speaker 4: next February rolls around, like we'll we'll get Teddy Day

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Speaker 4: three point zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it just keeps this. The same thing

562
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Speaker 1: has happened with like different kind of Christian apocalypse cults,

563
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Speaker 1: right where you'll have a guy pick a day, then

564
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: the day comes and then there's always a reason. And fundamentally,

565
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: because this becomes so much of someone's social life, because

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Speaker 1: it becomes part of their emotional support network, because it's

567
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Speaker 1: like fundamentally, you changes the way you talk, Like you

568
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: learn so many new words that make it into your

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00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: diction that like it's easier to just keep rolling the

570
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: expected date ahead rather than like acknowledge that kind of

571
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: fundamental hit to your self conception that admitting you got

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00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: played would take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy who does so religion for breakfast, Yeah,

575
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: he picked up on the fact that, like I was

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Speaker 4: using phrases like a great disappointment in in the video,

577
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 4: like very deliberately, because it's like it's the it's the

578
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: same mechanism. So the great disappointment was like that's the

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Speaker 4: event that caused the Seventh day Adventist to come into

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Speaker 4: existence because it was like a expected date of the

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Speaker 4: apocalypse of the Second Coming, Like yeah, didn't happen, and

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00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: you end up with like this, then fragmentation of the aftermath,

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Speaker 4: a bunch of people just bleed off. But you end

584
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Speaker 4: up with like a couple different factions. Ones who are like, ah, well,

585
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Speaker 4: the date was like the date wasn't wrong per se,

586
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Speaker 4: or like the idea wasn't wrong, just like the date

587
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: was wrong, like maybe it's off by one hundred.

588
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Speaker 2: Years or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And you get other people who are like, actually, it

590
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: did happen. It just happened in secret, like obviously it

591
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: wasn't going to just like happen in Times Square. It happened,

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Speaker 4: like you know, the millennium is already kind of like

593
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: rolling underneath normal like normal looking society. It's going on

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Speaker 4: right now. It's just day to day life hasn't changed.

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00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: And that's how you know it's happening is that nothing's changing.

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Speaker 4: It's like okay, okay, cool, so completely unfalsifiable, rad awesome.

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Speaker 2: Love that for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, one of the things that kind of related to

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Speaker 1: that I have been thinking about a lot lately is we've.

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Speaker 2: Got this.

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Speaker 1: The story that keeps, you know, popping into the news

602
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: every couple of usually a couple of times a year,

603
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: that what are called nons are are increasing as a

604
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: percentage of the population every single year, which is like

605
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: people who are not affiliated to any religion. And I've seen,

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Speaker 1: especially a few years ago, you know, atheists that I

607
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: knew who were kind of like more active and like

608
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: atheism is a movement really celebrating this. I think that

609
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: does Like the the assumption that that means that like

610
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: atheism is growing more popular has been kind of fundamentally inaccurate.

611
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing and what this this is

612
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Speaker 1: kind of evidence of, is that like non affiliation with

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Speaker 1: an organized religion is more common than ever. People are

614
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: rejecting organized, settled religion at a kind of unprecedented rate

615
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: that's certainly undeniable. That doesn't mean they're as they are

616
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: still believe and this is an example, right right, This

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: is people are creating. The Internet has given created a

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00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: tremendous capacity to build religions, and that's what people are doing.

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Speaker 2: That's what this is.

620
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like how long lasting will it be?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't in the scope of in the

622
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: scope of world faiths, I don't think game stopism is

623
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Speaker 4: is poised to stand the test of time. I don't

624
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: think we'll be seeing an ape emperor any anytime soon.

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00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, like and and the thing is is that

626
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: like you.

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00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: Go back through history and like you you look at

628
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 4: like religious archaeology, and like you start sort of breaking

629
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: away from sort of this idea of Christian hegemony as

630
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 4: being effectively like that it's like, okay, you know, once

631
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 4: the Christianization of Rome happened, like it was was then

632
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: locked in like until you know, Martin Luther, and then

633
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: you get like fragmentation into sects, but like it stays

634
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: like locked in, and it's like it's like nah, when

635
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: you start really digging into the history, it's like this

636
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: is just this is always going on, This is always

637
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: boiling under the surface. You look at like Puritanism in

638
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: America through a non like through just kind of like

639
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 4: a human lens of like what you know about how

640
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: people behave, and you suddenly start seeing that it's like, oh,

641
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 4: they were just like in a constant, perpetual state of

642
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: internal fragmentation as people had different ideas about like what

643
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: was supposed to happen, what should happen, and just kind

644
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: of like formed you know, cliques and factions, and sometimes

645
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: those factions got big enough to split off and then

646
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: they lasted, you know, ten twenty thirty fifty years and

647
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: then like either folded back into the main thing or

648
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: or whatever. But this kind of like churn in in

649
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 4: faith and belief is is just it's always there. It

650
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: just in an organized, codified faith. It's a lot easier

651
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 4: to lose track of it. Particularly from a historical perspective.

652
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: It's a lot easier to just look at like the

653
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: bigger picture and be like, ah, it was all the same,

654
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Speaker 4: it was homogeneous.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And it turns out no, yeah, sorry, that was a

657
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Speaker 4: very no, no, no, there was. I threw a lot of

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Speaker 4: like very big assumptions into a very tightly packed statement there.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no. I think that was great.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's kind of I think what I

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Speaker 1: what I had to sort of ask about, you know,

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Speaker 1: just sort of this fascination with the way in which

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Speaker 1: almost anything can become a cult these day thanks to

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Speaker 1: sort of the social dynamics of the different online communities

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Speaker 1: and how they they reinforce each other. Like this is

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Speaker 1: kind of at the center of almost everything that's a

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Speaker 1: problem right now one way or the other.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think the thing that is new and

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Speaker 4: modern really is the ability or is the I don't

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Speaker 4: want to say ability, the phenomenon of decentralized self organizing

671
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Speaker 4: belief systems. You know that like there's these a lot

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Speaker 4: of the a lot of the meme stock influencers. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're not leading it. They're just like nudging it. They're

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Speaker 4: not in charge of it. And if they if any

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Speaker 4: of them like tried to like really like seize the reins,

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Speaker 4: that that would get them like exiled. You know, any

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Speaker 4: any kind of like overt power grab would be would

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Speaker 4: be antithetical to it. But so it's the it's and

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Speaker 4: it's the same thing like in QAnon, if somebody anyone

680
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Speaker 4: who's come out and been like I am q listen

681
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Speaker 4: to me, gets immediately just like just demolished by the

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Speaker 4: faithful because like it's it's antithetical to their whole thing

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Speaker 4: to have a really identifiable leader. And and the fact

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Speaker 4: that there is no identifiable leader, that that the leader

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Speaker 4: is mythological is is useful and beneficial to the to

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Speaker 4: the organization. And those kinds of like those kinds of movements,

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Speaker 4: they're not unique to the modern age, but the modern

688
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Speaker 4: age has made them very easy to form, almost by accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, dan uh, this be something for people to

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Speaker 1: continue to keep an eye on because it's not gonna stop.

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Speaker 4: Probably, oh boy, I'm I'm there's gonna be some like

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Speaker 4: amazing doctor dissertations on this subject in like ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would, I would certainly agree with that. Well, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you want to let the people know where they can

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Speaker 1: find you.

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Speaker 4: They can find me on YouTube. The channel name is

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Speaker 4: Folding Ideas and I'm on Socials, Twitter, Blue Sky, et cetera,

698
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Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, as as Foldable Human.

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Speaker 2: Excellent.

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Speaker 1: All right, check out Dan's videos. Check out his YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe and.

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Speaker 2: Check us out.

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Speaker 1: But you already have because you're here, so continue to

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Speaker 1: check us out.

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Speaker 10: It's it's chaos in congreg This is this is it

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Speaker 10: could happen here, the podcast about things Falling Apart and

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Speaker 10: just this is a jest a falling Apart episode with

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Speaker 10: though it's a kind of funny one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm your host, Mia Wong and with me is

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Speaker 7: Garrison Davis. Hello.

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Speaker 11: Chaos every everywhere, but especially in Congress.

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Speaker 5: So I just.

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Speaker 7: Realized you grew up in Canada, which means I did. Yes,

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Speaker 7: can can you explain what the speaker that? Do you

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Speaker 7: know what the speaker of the House is for America.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's the guy who like presides over the things

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Speaker 11: and has the hammer and he yells, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, that's that's that's that's that's pretty close. Okay.

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Speaker 11: See see come.

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Speaker 7: On, yeah, yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad. This

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Speaker 7: is okay. So what we're we're going to go into

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Speaker 7: a bit more death about what this person does because

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Speaker 7: I don't know, the American Constitution was written by absolute

724
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Speaker 7: clowns and there's some wild stuff there. But however, comma,

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Speaker 7: you know, so some more seriously, this is a very

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Speaker 7: this is a very sort of consequential and dangerous moment

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Speaker 7: in American political history. And in this moment, Congress is

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Speaker 7: incomplete chaos. It is it is. It is the most

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Speaker 7: non functional it has been in my entire life. And

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Speaker 7: that is that is saying something like Congress has been

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Speaker 7: non functional for my entire life. This is the worst

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Speaker 7: it has ever been. And the reason this is the

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Speaker 7: worst has ever been is that Kevin McCarthy, who is

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Speaker 7: the now former Speaker of the House, was removed by

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Speaker 7: a vote of no confidence on October third, which when

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Speaker 7: this comes out, that will be exactly two weeks out.

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Speaker 7: And he is removed because he tried to cut a

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Speaker 7: deal with the Democrats to avert a government shutdown untill

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Speaker 7: the seventeenth, and he got the deal through.

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Speaker 11: It would have been crazy if we had a shutdown

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Speaker 11: till seventeenth. God, imagine, imagine, I met Jesus. Fuck.

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Speaker 7: Here's the thing. Okay, there's no shutdown till the seventeenth.

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Speaker 7: There's also a chance of a real serious chance that,

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Speaker 7: like the shutdown starts and we still don't have a

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Speaker 7: Speaker of the House. Oh yeah, like it's not that high,

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Speaker 7: but it could happen, which is nuts. This has never

747
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Speaker 7: happened before. Yeah, and so so I guess we should

748
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Speaker 7: we should go into specifically what hasn't happened before. And

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Speaker 7: the thing that hasn't happened before is that no sitting

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Speaker 7: speaker of the House dream their term, has ever been

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Speaker 7: removed by a vote of no confidence, which is nuts

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Speaker 7: because again, and I cannot emphasize this enough, for most

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Speaker 7: of the two thousands, the Speaker of the House was

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Speaker 7: a guy named Dennis Hastick, who was literally a pedophile,

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Speaker 7: and he was not removed by a vote of no confidence.

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Speaker 7: So like, this is this is the level of you know,

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Speaker 7: weirdness that we're in, like like literally the two hundred

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Speaker 7: something year history of the US, this has never happened.

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Speaker 11: And from my understanding, you don't actually have to be

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Speaker 11: like an elected member of the House to be the speaker,

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Speaker 11: which means they could carry on this tradition and they

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Speaker 11: could get Polanski as Speaker of the House if they

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Speaker 11: could ef thoughts to carry it over.

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Speaker 7: You know, at this point, this is only we're gonna

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Speaker 7: get you later. There was a there was a a

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Speaker 7: two day span, two and a half days span where

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Speaker 7: Trump was trying to get himself elected a Speaker of

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Speaker 7: the House. Yes, yes, and then that.

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Speaker 11: Which would be probably the most funny, the most funny.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, results.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but you know so so because this is he

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Speaker 11: also has a path to the presidency.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you just have to get two impatriotes.

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Speaker 11: Somehow and take it out. This is how Trump can

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Speaker 11: still win. This is the path, guys.

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Speaker 7: This unfortunately she's well, I mean here's the thing. Okay, legitimately,

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Speaker 7: if Biden and Harris died in a plane crash tomorrow,

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Speaker 7: I actually think Trump could win the would win the

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Speaker 7: Speaker of the House vote.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, absolutely, But this is this.

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Speaker 7: Is this is how Berdie can still win. This is

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Speaker 7: the path.

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Speaker 12: So all right, so so you know we're in this,

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Speaker 12: We're in We're in I don't know, We're just you know,

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Speaker 12: this is all like nuts but like again, we are

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Speaker 12: just we are in the wilderness, like we're in complete

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Speaker 12: chaos lands.

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Speaker 7: No no one the US has never been here before.

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Speaker 7: And okay, the other thing we need to mention is, okay,

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Speaker 7: so you know you were saying that there there hasn't

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Speaker 7: like you know, we we need we need to bring

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Speaker 7: back the like pedophiles to be the Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 7: So Speaker of the House, not a pedophile. The guy

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Speaker 7: who removed him as Speaker of the House. He's by

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Speaker 7: Mad Gates probably probably.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So here's here's what I can say legally about Matt Gates,

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Speaker 7: the guy who led eight Republicans to join the Democrats

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Speaker 7: in the in the voter no confidence. He is a

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Speaker 7: man best known for being investigated for the Department of

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Speaker 7: Justice for trafficking underaged girls. What I can legally say

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Speaker 7: is that he was suspected by the Justice Department of

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Speaker 7: being a pedophile. There are there are like there were

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Speaker 7: receipts from his like on his phone from like cash

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Speaker 7: app of him sending money to underage girls. So you know,

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Speaker 7: bad things, bad things happening there. That investigation got killed

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Speaker 7: because the bourgeoisie uh protects its allies. But Comma, we

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Speaker 7: do not Speaker of the House right now, so something

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Speaker 7: I think, I guess we should also mention this. So

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Speaker 7: there's like a there's no Speaker of the House. There's

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Speaker 7: some guy they put in who's like, is not actually

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Speaker 7: an acting Speaker of the House. The only thing he

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Speaker 7: can do effectively is like make sure that there's vote

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Speaker 7: specifically on there being another Speaker of the House. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: And this has thrown the entire American political system into

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Speaker 7: chaos because with no Speaker of the House, the House

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Speaker 7: of Representatives cannot pass bills. They can't do it, They

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Speaker 7: cannot pass any bills at all. And because of the

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Speaker 7: way that the American system was designed, not having this

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Speaker 7: one person shuts down the entire effectively shut it shuts

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Speaker 7: down the entire legislative branch, right because you can't get

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Speaker 7: anything passed in the Senate without also getting it ratified

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Speaker 7: in the House. And this has just shut down effectively,

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Speaker 7: like most of the American government outside of the like,

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Speaker 7: you know. I mean, so the executive branches and all

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Speaker 7: of the departments stuff are self functioning, but there is

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Speaker 7: no legislative branch right now, effectively, is what has happened,

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Speaker 7: right I think maybe subcommittee meetings are still running, but

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Speaker 7: they can't pass any bills, and this is both a

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Speaker 7: blessing and a curse. Normally, this I think would just

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Speaker 7: be a curse. I don't know. Maybe right now this

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Speaker 7: is probably the best possible time this could have happened,

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Speaker 7: because the consequence of this has been the US has

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Speaker 7: been unable to follow through on its most sort of

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Speaker 7: just rapidly genocidal impulses about Palestine because again, the House

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Speaker 7: literally cannot pass any bills until they figure this shit out.

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Speaker 7: So we haven't been able to send money to it Laziel,

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Speaker 7: we haven't been able to send like God forbid, like

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Speaker 7: we haven't been able to plenty troops, which I don't

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Speaker 7: know if they I don't know if there was actually

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Speaker 7: the political desire to do that anyways, But you know,

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Speaker 7: the fact, the fact that there was no speaker in

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Speaker 7: the immediate wake of the stuff that's been happening in

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Speaker 7: Palestine means that you know, they've they've been restrained from

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Speaker 7: just like glassing the entire Middle East, which is which

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Speaker 7: is good. The downside is that again, we have until

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Speaker 7: November seventeenth to pass a funding bill to avert the

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Speaker 7: government shutdown. And not only is there like no progress

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Speaker 7: on a deal about that bill, like the American legislature

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Speaker 7: is currently incapable of passing any bill, much less the

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Speaker 7: spending bill. So things are going great in the American

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Speaker 7: political system. And okay, so we should we should ask

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Speaker 7: the question why is this happening? And there are both

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Speaker 7: sort of short and long answers to this question. Both

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Speaker 7: of them effectively have the same route, which is that

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Speaker 7: the Republican Party is a coalition. It's one that usually

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Speaker 7: has pretty broadly compatible politics, but it is a coalition

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Speaker 7: between different sectors of capital. So think, for example, you know,

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Speaker 7: you have your different right wing like tech mogul billionaires,

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Speaker 7: right like Elon Musk or like Peter Thiel. But these

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Speaker 7: people align on a lot of stuff, but they don't

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Speaker 7: necessarily have the same interests as like a weapons manufacturer

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Speaker 7: or like coke industries, or I mean just like you know,

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Speaker 7: like one of the big sort of tensions, for example,

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Speaker 7: is that the Republican Party has a lot of backing

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Speaker 7: among the financial sector. Uh, the financial sector has very

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Speaker 7: little interest in conflict with China because they have an

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Speaker 7: enormous amount of capital like tied up in Chinese firms.

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Speaker 7: There are a lot of other like people who have

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Speaker 7: a lot of like like even this is this is

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Speaker 7: a thing between Elon Musk and Peter Teel right or

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Speaker 7: like Musk is kind of more pro China than like

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Speaker 7: the average like Republican tech billionaire because he has a

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Speaker 7: bunch of contracts in a giant factory in China and

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Speaker 7: so so okay, so this is this is a coalition

877
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 7: between different segments of capital who disagree. This is also

878
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 7: a coalition between different like right wing social movements who

879
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 7: are also you know, a very powerful part of the party.

880
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 7: You have evangelical stuff. But I mean, you know, the

881
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 7: consequence of this, and the consequence of the sort of

882
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 7: shift right of American politics has been you now have

883
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 7: this party where there are like libertarians alongside neocons, you

884
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 7: have more moderate conservatives, and you have basic people who

885
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 7: are effectively neo Nazis. And the fact that the coalition

886
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 7: is like this now, the fact that it is genuinely

887
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 7: more so than it's been in a long time, a

888
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 7: very broad and diverse coalition. This has made the House

889
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 7: of Representatives effectively unmanageable. Okay, and this has been a

890
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 7: real issue in the Republican Party for a while now,

891
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 7: partially because you know, and this is this is why

892
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 7: we're getting the government shutdown stuff, like a big part

893
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 7: of Republican strategy for the last decade, basically since Obama

894
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 7: took office, has just been shutting down the government and

895
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 7: doing art obstructionism, so you know, nothing can get done

896
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 7: at waitgre have you have you been Do you remember

897
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: the last government shut down?

898
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 12: Yeah?

899
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it was only like two years ago. Yeah,

900
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 11: it feels like maybe maybe it was longer. It feels

901
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 11: like it was pretty recent. There was no it was

902
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 11: it was in twenty eighteen. I think it was like, yeah,

903
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 11: I see, because in my brain we're still in twenty twenty.

904
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they were actually twenty So what I.

905
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 11: Said when I say two years ago, what I mean

906
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 11: is twenty eighteen.

907
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and it's that one was funny because

908
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 7: that was a that was a Republican president. Yeah, yeah,

909
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 7: which is very funny. But yeah, but you know, but

910
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 7: back when Obama was in office, like this just happened

911
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 7: all the fucking time, Like every other week. There was

912
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 7: like a threat of a government every single time a

913
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 7: bill liken, a funding bill was going to pass Congress,

914
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 7: like I had a bunch of family members get furloughed

915
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 7: well at one point, because the government actually did shut

916
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 7: down for a long time. But there's a real problem

917
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 7: with this, which is that this political strategy encourages, effectively

918
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 7: the it encourages creating chaos, right, and this is something

919
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 7: that Trump has been very good at sort of exploiting.

920
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 7: But it also means that there's now this like qudra

921
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 7: of politicos who've come up who are like incredibly right

922
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 7: wing and effectively the only thing they know how to

923
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 7: do is obstructing anything from functioning. And this is what

924
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 7: McCarthy ran into. He ran into Gates and his sort

925
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 7: of like band of Mary I don't know, I was

926
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 7: gonna call him a band of Mary weirdos, but that's

927
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 7: way too complimentary. His band of like absolute fanatics. And

928
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 7: the real issue here is that, Okay, so there's currently

929
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 7: two vacant seats in the House, so this means right now,

930
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 7: to win a vote in the full House. To become

931
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 7: a Speaker of the House, you need two hundred and

932
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 7: seventeen votes. Sorry, hold on, there's new shit happening, like

933
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 7: right now, McCarthy thinks that Jim Jordan has two hundred

934
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 7: and seventeen votes. I don't know if I believe him.

935
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 7: I don't know. Well, I'll just explain what's happening now

936
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 7: and then we'll put that at the end.

937
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 11: As like breaking news. Inswer that at the end, Daniel,

938
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 11: thank you? Or keep it in right now is a

939
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 11: funny bit, yes, because this situation is still is still

940
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 11: developing as of time of recording.

941
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Speaker 7: So yeah, like as yes, it's the only way should mention.

942
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 7: You know, this process is complicated enough that like, yeah,

943
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 7: as we are recording it, stuff is changing rapidly, like

944
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 7: stuff has been. News is coming in.

945
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: So what's been.

946
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 7: Making it hard is that in order to get two

947
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 7: undred and seventeen votes, right, the Republican majority is only

948
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 7: they only have two hundred and twenty one votes. So

949
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 7: if you want to become Speaker of the House, you

950
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 7: can only lose four total votes, and this means you

951
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 7: have to win both the Moderates and Matt Gates's coalition

952
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 7: of fanatics. And this is effectively impossible. It is, it

953
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 7: is unbelievably difficult. McCarthy was able to do this because

954
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 7: he pulled votes from the far right by like promising

955
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 7: things like impeaching Biden and stuff like that, and also

956
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 7: sort of cutting cutting his own deals with people like

957
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 7: Marjorie Taylor Green who like and is And this is

958
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 7: the other thing about about this impiacement vote is that

959
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 7: it's not actually a purely ideological lines like far right

960
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 7: versus moderate vote, because.

961
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 11: No, like he he even split the more extreme contention

962
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 11: of the Republican Party in Congress. It's it's it's really bizarre. Well,

963
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 11: it's not bizarre because you can like understand it, but

964
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 11: it is certainly interesting where where the dividing lines and

965
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 11: ended up being for a lot of the people that

966
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 11: we consider mostly being on the same side right because

967
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 11: usually people imagine like Matt Gates and Marchie Taylor Green

968
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 11: usually in the same kind of far right voting block.

969
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 11: And to see like divisions over over this vote is

970
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 11: certainly an interesting aspect of you know, possible fractures within

971
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 11: the even the extreme contingent of the Republican Party.

972
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, and this and this has been a really interesting dynamic,

973
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 7: but it also makes it just like impossible, Like you

974
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 7: have to in order to do this, you have to

975
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 7: somehow appease the moderates and gates and like you're dealing

976
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 7: with multiple different right wing fringe factions. Yeah, and then

977
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 7: and this is you know what we talk you more

978
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 7: about the Freedom Caucus in a little bit. But you

979
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 7: have to, like you're at a point where you're trying

980
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 7: to appease so many different groups of people who all

981
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 7: have kind of competing agendas, who also just have like

982
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 7: personal beef with each other. And as of right now

983
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 7: time of recording, which is two pm Pacific time on Friday,

984
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 7: no one has been able to actually pull together this vote.

985
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 7: We're gonna take an ad break, and then we're.

986
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 11: Gonna do you know who else actually needs to be

987
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 11: appeased by these same people?

988
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 7: Is is it the products and services? It is podcast?

989
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 11: Ronald Reagan Coin looks down upon Congress every single time

990
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 11: that guy hits that little hammer, And Ronald Reagan Coin

991
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 11: also looks down upon all of you. I think I

992
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 11: think I have a good idea where to put my

993
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 11: new uh my new four to oh one k investment

994
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 11: in I'm going to do all all gold coin, move

995
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 11: all that over to gold coin. It's stable, it's gonna

996
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 11: be worth it, it holds value, and that is that

997
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 11: is definitely my plan.

998
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 7: Oh we're back.

999
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 11: Hello everybody. Sorry, did didn't did not realize you were

1000
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 11: already back so soon. I was just talking with me

1001
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 11: about expanding my investment portfolio. Anyway, as you were saying, so, what.

1002
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 7: Has happened after that? The answer is an absolute clown show.

1003
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 7: I mean, this is this is one of the most

1004
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 7: like James.

1005
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 11: Lets let's not disparage clowns, shall we.

1006
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 7: That's true. This is unfair to me.

1007
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 11: This is we could have clowns in the audio, We

1008
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 11: could have closeted clowns in this phone call.

1009
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 7: That's true. That's true. Okay, I I yes, I've been

1010
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 7: being unfair to clowns by comparing them to the Republican Party.

1011
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 7: This has been this has been one of the most

1012
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 7: pathetic displays of politics I've ever seen. And I have

1013
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 7: followed the political trajectory of Israeli labor like this is.

1014
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 7: This has it's been truly awful. So all right, So,

1015
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 7: so McCarthy is ousted. The problem immediately is that no

1016
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 7: one has any where close to enough votes to replace him,

1017
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 7: like like and when I say no, what like McCarthy

1018
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 7: McCarthy went down by he lost eight votes from the Republicans.

1019
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, No one else is within like sixty, right,

1020
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 11: Like what like this wasn't just a power move for

1021
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 11: Gates then? Like he he was like was was he

1022
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 11: looking to.

1023
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 7: Take the spot or no? No, get the Gate. There's

1024
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 7: Gates has absolutely no shot of winning. He would get

1025
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 7: like ten votes maybe, like basically nothing. What he was

1026
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 7: trying to and this is this is kind of Gates

1027
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 7: is in this kind of obstructionism thing where he's trying.

1028
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 7: The thing he's trying to do basically is he's trying

1029
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 7: to like he's trying to set up himself as a

1030
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 7: political flank of like the moost Republicans, Republicans and everyone

1031
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 7: else are these like sellouts to work with the Democrats. Yeah,

1032
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 7: and he's he's also been trying so so Gates's preferred

1033
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 7: candidate is a guy named Jim Jordan. Jim Jordan is

1034
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 7: the found he was the founding head of the powerful

1035
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 7: far right Freedom Caucus, and he's a really he's a

1036
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 7: real piece of work. He's mad.

1037
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 11: I feel like Jimmy Jordan has been a recurring character

1038
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 11: on this show. Yea, sometimes he's not a very n

1039
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 11: he sucks, like she's not quite like a full on

1040
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 11: neo Nazi in the way.

1041
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 7: Like yeah, but like he's not good. He's he's he's

1042
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 7: from like the far right. He's what I guess you

1043
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 7: would call the like the more acceptable far right of

1044
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 7: the Republican Party. Like he's from the Freedom Caucus, like

1045
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 7: is is a like a very right wing organization even

1046
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 7: within the Republican Party. But they're not seen as like

1047
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 7: weird fringe fanatics in the way, at the.

1048
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 11: Very least, they will hold the door open towards people

1049
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 11: that are even like like even way way more extreme.

1050
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1051
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's been he's been serving in Congress since

1052
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 11: like twenty and seven.

1053
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a very he's a very high He's.

1054
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: One of the guys.

1055
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 7: He's he's been like the architect of a lot of

1056
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 7: well not the architect. He's been one of the figures

1057
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 7: behind a lot of the sort of like government shutdown stuff.

1058
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 7: He's been. He's he's been one of the guys who's

1059
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 7: kind of like I don't know, like he didn't he

1060
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 7: cause he didn't come in on the tea party wave.

1061
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 7: He came in before that. But he's been he's been

1062
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 7: a guy who's been pushing that kind of sort of

1063
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 7: like that kind of very very rote with politics. His

1064
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 7: his original opponent was Steve Scalise, who is a kind

1065
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 7: of semi McCarthy ally kind of and you will see

1066
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 7: him described as being more moderate than than Jim Jordan,

1067
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 7: and that is maybe kind of true in the sense

1068
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 7: that like he's being back in the fact that like

1069
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 7: like Jim Jordan is being backed by like Marjorie Terry Green,

1070
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 7: Matt Gates and like Donald Trump. This is after Trump

1071
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 7: gave up his bid to like become speak of house himself.

1072
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 11: He backs, which would have been the funniest dot com Yeah.

1073
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 7: Would have been very funny. But however, we don't. We

1074
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 7: don't live in the funniest off possible timeline set. We

1075
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 7: live in the worst one.

1076
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1077
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, So that didn't happen. So the problem is the

1078
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 7: other guy is is again this is Steve Scalise, and

1079
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 7: again he's called a moderate. Scalise also wants there There

1080
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 7: is a report of him calling himself and I quote

1081
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 7: David Duke without the baggage and in in the early

1082
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 7: two thousands, he spoke at a David at a rally

1083
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 7: for a group founded by David Duke. Mm hmm, what.

1084
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 11: Without the baggage? What is left of David Duke? Like,

1085
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 11: how what is that?

1086
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 7: What does actually mean? Like we should I guess we

1087
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 7: should have mentioned so David Duke if people don't remember

1088
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 7: David Duke was the Grand Wizard. Yes, yeah, so what

1089
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 7: he says David Duke without the baggage, What he means

1090
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 7: is that he he has David Duke's politics, but he

1091
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Speaker 7: doesn't have the immediate what the fuck association you get

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Speaker 7: when you mentioned the head of the fucking KKK that

1093
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 7: that that's what he was going for. Right, So this

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Speaker 7: is not a good guy he's being presented as.

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Speaker 3: And again this.

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Speaker 7: Is what passes for like a moderate I mean, he's

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 7: kind of in the modern the part, but like, this

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Speaker 7: is what passes for a fucking moderate Republican in twenty

1099
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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three, right, Like these people have always sucked,

1100
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 7: They've always fucking been like this, and you know the problem, Yeah, yeah,

1101
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 7: it's it's it's it's it's a real issue that again,

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Speaker 7: like this guy who is like speaking at like it

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01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 7: should like in any even remotely noma political system, having

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Speaker 7: given a speech at a rally for an organization ran

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 7: by David Duke would immediately be disqualifying. But you know, no,

1106
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 7: like you can just do that. You can do that

1107
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Speaker 7: and you get to be a moderate in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 7: But the problem with the problem Scalisee has is that

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Speaker 7: Sclezi's problem isn't that again like clan bullshit. It's the

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Speaker 7: fact that the way that votes for the Speaker of

1111
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 7: the House work is that So there's an internal blind

1112
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 7: vote inside of the inside of the Republican Party where

1113
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 7: each each each representative gets to anonymously vote like each

1114
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 7: a problem representative gets to a anonymously vote for their

1115
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 7: preferred candidates. So Jim Jordan like kind of narrowly loses

1116
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Speaker 7: out to Scalise in the first route in the first vote,

1117
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 7: so he loses one hundred and thirteen to ninety nine,

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Speaker 7: and so Scalise comes out as the guy who's the

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Speaker 7: nominee for the Republicans.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: Problem is, Scalise lasts one day as that guy. Because

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Speaker 7: the problem is to actually become speaker, you need to

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Speaker 7: win a vote on the House floor and the vote

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Speaker 7: on the House floor with everyone in the House, including

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Speaker 7: the Democrats. That's where he needs to win two hundred

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Speaker 7: seventeen votes. He did not have it. He so incredibly

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Speaker 7: did not have it. That again, within a day of

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Speaker 7: him winning this vote, he is out. So Scalise is

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Speaker 7: now out of the race. What has been so the

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Speaker 7: developments Literally as we are recording this, Jim Jordan has

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Speaker 7: won a vote to become like the next he's the

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01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 7: next person to vote because he was running against just

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 7: a fucking clown. Sorry I'm being offensive to clowns. He's

1134
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 7: just like a nobody, like just like some dipshit Republicans

1135
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 7: like picked off off the street, right, like this is

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 7: where we're at, like that there's no one like if

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 7: if Jim, if Jim Jordan can't do this, like there's

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Speaker 7: like I don't know, like you would like bring McCarthy back,

1139
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Speaker 7: Like there's nothing he like Jordan. Jim Jordan's like the

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Speaker 7: last even semi serious political figure of the Republican Party

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 7: who could even conceivably do this. So Jim Jordan has

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01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 7: won the vote inside the Republican Party. However, come and

1143
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 7: and also the other important thing that happened literally as

1144
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 7: we were recording, is that he's been he's been endorsed

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Speaker 7: by McCarthy now, which is kind of a big deal.

1146
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Speaker 7: McCarthy has said publicly that he thinks that Jim Jordan

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Speaker 7: has the votes. I don't believe him, and I don't

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Speaker 7: believe him because immediately after he said that, it came

1149
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 7: out that Jim Jordan is sixty vote short on the

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Speaker 7: floor of the House, sixty six zero. He is screwed.

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Speaker 7: There's no way, like he has to get through sixty

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01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 7: sixty votes and there's no way. I I don't see

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 7: a path for him to do this, even even with

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 7: McCarthy's support, Like, I don't, I don't think it's a

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 7: way for him to do this. As a time of recording,

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 7: the thing that has happened is that the Republicans have

1157
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 7: all gone home because they get out at five, and

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 7: he's going to try to spend the weekends like building

1159
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 7: up support, trying to build up enough votes in the

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Speaker 7: House to like win speakership.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, this has not seen where it seems like

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 11: it's it seems like a pretty uh pretty chance.

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Speaker 7: It's it's possible that like on like Monday or Tuesday

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 7: or something when they're like, when this comes out, I'll

1165
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 7: be eating crow and I'll have to record like it

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 7: that's true because of his date.

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Speaker 11: But yes, because this does come out after the weekend.

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 11: So yeah, but we will, I.

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Speaker 7: Know buy this. I I absolutely just do not buy

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Speaker 7: that Jim Jordan has enough votes. This is this is

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01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 7: this is this is this is my analysis. If I'm wrong,

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Speaker 7: I'm wrong, but guessing at sixty votes and like, there's

1173
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 7: no way, there's no way. So this is this is

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 7: this is a fact. This is the current state of

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Speaker 7: Congress right now, Like we don't we don't have a

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 7: legislave branch. Everything, everything is in chaos. Nothing but down.

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Speaker 7: Two more to go. We're almost there, fellas. Yeah, well

1178
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 7: the executives. If we cannot come the executive. If we

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 7: can not go the executive, the judiciary will fall by itself. Yeah.

1180
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 11: So that's that is certainly certainly exciting. There's always always

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01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 11: good things to look forward to.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, I think that I think a

1183
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 7: closing note on this is that the fact that the

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01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 7: US effectively can't do anything right now while it's in

1185
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 7: the middle of a pretty serious like a couple of

1186
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 7: longline one is in the middle of like several very

1187
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 7: very serious international political crises and wars. Is has I

1188
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 7: don't know, it's been the thing right now that has

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 7: been restraining the US from just like really going all

1190
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 7: out and trying to get it when of Palestine killed.

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01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 7: So I guess there's that, But I don't know. Our

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 7: government is a joke, yeah, and like and I guess

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 7: I guess. The last thing I want to say is

1194
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 7: I want to invite all of you, everyone is listening

1195
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 7: to this, to look at these absolute numbskulls, Like, look

1196
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 7: at what they're doing right now. They can't even pick

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Speaker 7: the one guy who is necessary for the entire legislative

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Speaker 7: branch to function. And I want you to ask yourself,

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Speaker 7: could we do this? Could like any of you and

1200
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 7: like your neighbors and your friends, run a political system

1201
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 7: better than this, because I bet the answer is yes.

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01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 11: As mass bombing continues across Gaza, two point three million

1203
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 11: Palestinians remain trapped in the strip as the Israeli military

1204
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 11: conducts a total blockade. Israel has cut off water, electricity,

1205
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 11: and fuel while intentionally restricting humanitarian aid from being sent

1206
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 11: into Gaza. This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 11: On October seventh, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a

1208
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 11: speech addressing Palestinians inside Gaza. A part of the official

1209
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 11: English translation of the speech reads, quote, all of the

1210
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 11: places which Hamas is deployed, hiding and operating in that

1211
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 11: to wicked city, we will turn them into rubble. I

1212
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 11: say to the residents of Gaza, leave now, because we

1213
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 11: will operate forcefully everywhere.

1214
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Speaker 7: Unquote.

1215
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 11: The next sentence in the speech was left untranslated, but

1216
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 11: it roughly read quote, we will target each and every

1217
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 11: corner of the strip. According to the UN, by last

1218
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 11: Thursday October twelfth, about four hundred and twenty three thousand

1219
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 11: people had been displaced from their homes by Israeli air strikes.

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Speaker 11: That's about twenty five percent of the Palestinian population. Many

1221
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 11: sought refuge in crowded United Nations shelters set up in schools,

1222
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 11: but even those shelters and hospitals were attacked by air

1223
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Speaker 11: Last Friday, October thirteenth, Israel issued a military order for

1224
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Speaker 11: all citizens in northern Gaza, including Gaza City, to evacuate

1225
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 11: their homes within a twenty four hour period in apparent

1226
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 11: preparation of a major ground assault on the besieged enclave.

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Speaker 11: Over one million Palestinians live in this area. It's almost

1228
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,879
Speaker 11: half the population of Gaza. In between bombings, Israeli military

1229
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 11: aircraft dropped thousands of leaflets into Gaza City advising civilians

1230
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 11: to immediately leave their homes and the un shelters, but

1231
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 11: not to actually try and leave Gaza, as the leaflet

1232
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 11: warned that if anyone approached the Israel Gaza security wall,

1233
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 11: they would quote expose themselves to death unquote. Israel laid

1234
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 11: out just a few roads that it was supposed to

1235
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 11: be quote unquote safe to travel southbound. Thousands of people

1236
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 11: in a northern Gaza began to flee towards the strip's

1237
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 11: southern half on Friday morning, but as they were following

1238
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 11: Israel's orders, civilian convoys transporting Palestinian families out of Gaza

1239
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 11: City were bombed by the Israeli military at three different

1240
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 11: points along the evacuation route. At least seventy people were killed,

1241
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 11: with hundreds more injured by the Israeli airstrikes as they

1242
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 11: were trying to follow Israel's impossible order to evacuate everyone

1243
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 11: from their homes in just twenty four hours between Netanyahu's

1244
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 11: speech and the evacuation order of northern Gaza. This leaves

1245
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 11: people questioning where exactly are these people supposed to go

1246
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 11: in Gaza told the Associated Press quote, we can't flee

1247
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 11: because anywhere you go, you are bombed. Unquote. Gaza isn't

1248
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 11: that big. It's only twenty five miles long, and it's

1249
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 11: completely surrounded by Israel and the Mediterranean Sea save for

1250
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 11: a small section on the southern tip, which borders Egypt

1251
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 11: with Israel, sealing off access to Gaza. The only way

1252
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 11: in or out is the Rafa Border Crossing, located at

1253
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 11: the southern end of the strip, bordering Egypt's Sinai Peninsula.

1254
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 11: The Rafa Crossing is a critical passage for humanitarian aid

1255
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 11: and serves as a vital gateway between Gaza and the

1256
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 11: outside world. One of the very first targets of Israeli

1257
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 11: bombing this month was the Rafa Border crossing between Gaza

1258
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 11: and Egypt. It was targeted by three air raids in

1259
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 11: a twenty four hour period, severely damaging the crossing, preventing

1260
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 11: it from operating and resulting in fatalities. There's video and

1261
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 11: audio of the bombings where you hear hundreds of people

1262
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 11: make a singular scream. It's pretty gruesome. With Israel undergoing

1263
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 11: a quote unquote complete siege of Gaza, this crossing was

1264
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 11: the only way to send humanitarian supplies into the Strip

1265
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,919
Speaker 11: and to let willing refugees flee the assault. The Egyptian

1266
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 11: Foreign Minister has said that Israel has yet to allow

1267
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 11: the reopening of the crossing. Egypt is expected to assist

1268
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 11: in delivering humanitarian aid to Palestinians and the enclave, but

1269
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 11: it has rejected proposals to accept fleeing Palestinians into its borders.

1270
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 11: Both Egypt and Israel operate a blockade of Gaza to

1271
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 11: strictly control the passage of people and supplies going in

1272
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 11: and out of the Strip. There's no freedom of movement

1273
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 11: to enter or leave Gaza. Even when there's not a

1274
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 11: declared war. One can't simply leave Gaza. There is no

1275
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 11: Gaza airport, at least not since two US and two Historically,

1276
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 11: the Rafa border crossing into the Egyptian Peninsula was only

1277
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 11: open to the public very sporadically, and often for very

1278
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 11: narrowly defined categories such as medical patients, religious pilgrims, foreign residents,

1279
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 11: or residents of Gaza with foreign visas or passports. But

1280
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 11: I don't have to tell you how hard it is

1281
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 11: to leave Gaza even when there's not a war. Because

1282
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 11: late last year, we interviewed two Palestinians for a still

1283
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 11: upcoming episode that's being worked on. During the interview, they

1284
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 11: touched on their own experiences escaping Gaza. So we're going

1285
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 11: to play some of that interview for this episode, and

1286
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 11: I'll jump in occasionally to add some context. So here

1287
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 11: is Ahmed Matar and Abdullah al Casabre, athletes from a

1288
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 11: PK Gaza, one of the most recognized parker teams in

1289
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 11: the world.

1290
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 9: My name is Ahmad mat I'm twenty six years old.

1291
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 9: I'm from Gaza, Palestine, and I do parkour. I live

1292
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 9: at the moment tenniswit in because I'm open. Within six

1293
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 9: years ago after I got invited for the Eraword Challenge,

1294
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 9: it's a partcour competition that was organized in Sweden and Helsingburg.

1295
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 9: And yeah, since that time, I just live in Sweden

1296
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 9: because I just did not want to go back for

1297
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 9: so many reasons that we can just talk about it

1298
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 9: later in this episode.

1299
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys.

1300
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a taddler.

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 13: I'm twining, five years old and also in Barkour Athleta

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01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 13: and I'm also right now in Italy. I got a

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01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 13: chance to travel to Italy because I part debated in.

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: A in a in a movie or in.

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01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 13: A film which is the directory is in man village Girosa.

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 13: He's an Italian movie. It's called more jumb But my

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 13: friend he was the main character. I was one of

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 13: the characters in the filma. So we got a chance

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 13: to to participate in a festival in si And it

1310
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 13: wasn't really easy. It was really hard to do it

1311
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 13: because because you know, having visa Ahma as dad, it's

1312
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 13: we get a visa as a Palestinian, and especially from

1313
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 13: gether city is something really really hard. And even though

1314
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 13: it's about having the business about it, traveling outside Gaza

1315
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 13: something else. This is also other completely different story. But

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01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 13: we could manage that, and I've been here in Italy.

1317
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 13: I came to participate in Sishida. First of all, me

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 13: and my friend we managed to get shing a visa

1319
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 13: and it was just for five days. And now I'm

1320
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 13: here in Italy for almost eleven months. In the other city.

1321
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 13: You when you were there, it is not you don't

1322
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 13: really feel free as free, you know, because you're surrounded

1323
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 13: all the time by so many obstacutes, you know, which

1324
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 13: is which is really crazy and it drives even though

1325
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 13: because we were really kids and we didn't have a

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 13: really good childhood somehow.

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember since were we were kids, we were

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 9: seeing that tanks or what is it called, Yeah, the

1329
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 9: tanks that bombs and we were seeing it in front

1330
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 9: of the street and we were hearing bombs and shootings.

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01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 9: And that was before two thousand and five. That was

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 9: like since I was four years I could remember all

1333
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 9: of that moments where the tanks are crossing our road

1334
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 9: and we were seeing that I attacks happening between people together,

1335
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,879
Speaker 9: and bombs and flights and drones and and that's something

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 9: that for sure affects us as a kid, that we

1337
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 9: we get the far whenever we see some bombs and

1338
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 9: just we want to hide from the bombs and we

1339
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 9: want to be close to the family. For me, all

1340
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 9: of these things that happened around me affected me that

1341
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 9: I wanted to be that guy who would like to

1342
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 9: enjoy life. In the same time, Gaza was a place

1343
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:03,520
Speaker 9: that we had the situation, but we are the psychologically

1344
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 9: or how is it called, Like when you are affected

1345
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 9: by the situation where you know that you are you

1346
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 9: can be dead at a moment, or it can get

1347
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 9: a bump close to you any moment, or someone close

1348
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 9: to you who die.

1349
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 13: I mean kids the most important for the kids just

1350
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 13: there safety and we didn't have safety. The safety is

1351
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 13: what kids really want, you know all the time. I mean,

1352
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 13: when you're a kid, you just need your mom or

1353
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 13: your dad next to you because you really feel this

1354
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 13: kind of safety. But when we were kids, we couldn't

1355
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 13: have this kind of feeling because even our parents they

1356
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 13: were not really sure what might happen to us or

1357
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 13: to them, so how they will protect us. So it's

1358
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 13: not really easy for anyone to protect the others. You know,

1359
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 13: no one able to you know, to do that. That's

1360
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 13: something affected us for sure, like because we we we

1361
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 13: we grown up in such things like that. Maybe for

1362
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 13: me an hour, if you were talking about this is

1363
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 13: maybe something usual, which is something normal, because I really

1364
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 13: good used to it somehow, which is not normal. I

1365
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 13: mean it should have been normal for anyone, but for us,

1366
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 13: you know, we could it kind of normal because it's

1367
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 13: kind of we used to and now when I really

1368
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 13: because before I was really kids, so I didn't know

1369
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 13: what but it's really going on. I was really terrified

1370
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 13: and I was really scared, and I didn't know what

1371
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 13: is really going to happen. But now when I'm kind

1372
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 13: of an adult and I know what is really going

1373
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,799
Speaker 13: on and I see the kids when when because for example,

1374
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 13: the last four especially when I'm even outside, guess that

1375
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 13: it's completely completely different, you know, because when you're inside

1376
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 13: Gaza with your family and your friends top apply, it's

1377
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 13: really different. But now when I can see how the

1378
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 13: kids they are screaming, how the kids they they they

1379
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 13: have this kind of feeling, you know that you know,

1380
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 13: they are really ter fired with the pomps because they

1381
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 13: are sneaks to them. So I can really myself and

1382
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 13: I just go through back, you know, the.

1383
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: Memory of the stories.

1384
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 13: That really happened via the memories, a lot of memories

1385
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 13: before about that it was really crazy.

1386
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 11: We're going to go on a quick ad break, but

1387
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 11: when we get back, Ahmed will talk about his long

1388
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 11: experience trying to leave Gaza. When Ahmed was younger, he

1389
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 11: began to share videos online of his athletic skills, slowly

1390
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 11: gaining notoriety around the world for his pretty impressive parker ability.

1391
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 11: Soon both himself and Pik Gaza were being invited around

1392
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 11: the world to perform a parker or to enter into

1393
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,959
Speaker 11: parker competitions. P k Gaza was invited to the Arabian

1394
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 11: TV show Arabs Got Talent, but they were unable to

1395
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 11: go on the program due to difficulties traveling outside Gaza.

1396
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 11: During this time period, the Rafa border crossing into Egypt

1397
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 11: was only open around six times a year and for

1398
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 11: only a few days. To catch a flight out of Egypt,

1399
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 11: you need to have all of your proper paperwork, tickets,

1400
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 11: and a valid visa which lines up perfectly for when

1401
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 11: the Rafa border crossing happens to be open, and you

1402
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 11: have to also hope that you're not in the back

1403
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 11: of the line to get through the border crossing because

1404
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 11: they only let a certain number of people through each day.

1405
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 11: Ahmed was invited to participate in the Red Bull Parker

1406
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 11: Challenge in China and even successfully got a visa to travel,

1407
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 11: but wasn't able to leave Gaza because the Rafa border

1408
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 11: crossing was closed during the timeframe when the visa was valid.

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01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 11: The US based World Free Running and Parker Federation tried

1410
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 11: to help Ahmed travel to the United States to participate

1411
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 11: in the wfpf's twenty sixteen competition in Las Vegas, but

1412
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 11: Ahmed was unable to get an American travel visa due

1413
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 11: to long wait times to use the Northern border crossing

1414
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 11: into Jerusalem, and even if you did manage to get

1415
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 11: into Israel, it was quite difficult to receive a US

1416
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 11: travel visa as applicants were frequently denied. A park Ori

1417
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 11: Gym in Italy frequently invited Ahmed to participate in their

1418
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 11: summer and winter events, but the Italian embassy denied requests

1419
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 11: for a travel visa three times. In late twenty sixteen,

1420
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 11: Ahmed got invited to the Air Whip Parkour Challenge in Sweden,

1421
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 11: and with the help of some Swedish friends, he was

1422
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 11: able to secure a travel visa in just two weeks. Unfortunately,

1423
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 11: when Ahmed got the visa, the Rafa crossing was closed,

1424
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 11: but by pure luck, just one day later it was

1425
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 11: announced that the crossing would be reopening. When he went

1426
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 11: to the crossing, he learned that there were thirty thousand

1427
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 11: people in line in front of him. With the crossing

1428
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 11: only set to be opened briefly and the temporary visa

1429
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 11: set to expire, it was not looking great. After a

1430
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 11: very challenging series of events that Ahmed is about to explain,

1431
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 11: he was able to get to Sweden and just last

1432
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 11: year he started in a play about his own life

1433
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 11: and his journey traveling from Gaza to Sweden.

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 6: Tell us a little bit about this. This is going

1435
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 6: to be a play about your life that they're doing

1436
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 6: in Sweden.

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01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 9: So we have had the premiere for the play in

1438
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 9: ninth of May. So we have been doing the show

1439
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,440
Speaker 9: for a while now, like we have had eight performances

1440
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 9: at the moment, and the play is about me with

1441
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 9: my family and then my friends from Peking Gaza. I

1442
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 9: also talks about the journey from Gaza to Sweden, which

1443
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 9: was the biggest part of the play. That yeah, talking

1444
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 9: exactly about how it is to face the visa embassy,

1445
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 9: Egyptian control, Egyptian security when we get out of Gaza,

1446
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 9: that they have to also a Palestinian side that they

1447
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 9: have to interview. Was every like I have if I

1448
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 9: have the visa. Let's say I got the visa after

1449
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 9: some tries, then I have to apply for the trouble

1450
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 9: which I have to stand in the queue behind all

1451
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 9: of that people who already applied before me, which is

1452
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 9: imagine nine thirty one thousand, Mike, you number is thirty thousand.

1453
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 9: Then I have to wait. And okay, let's say I

1454
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 9: got in front of all of that people and today

1455
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 9: I am here in the Palestinian side. Then this Palestinian side,

1456
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 9: then RAPA orders have to interview me and check all

1457
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 9: why do I need to travel? Show me your documents

1458
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 9: if I have any mistaken my documents, and I go

1459
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 9: back to Gaza. Even if all my documents, I have

1460
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 9: the vision and everything. And then if you don't want

1461
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 9: me to travel, then I have to stay in Gaza. Okay,

1462
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 9: let's say I did best the Palestinian side. I am

1463
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 9: in the Egyptian security side, and there one time the

1464
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 9: Egyptian security sent me back to Gaza after waiting. I

1465
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 9: have the visa and I was like, no, what are

1466
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 9: you going to do? I'm going to do parkour. I

1467
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 9: have a poor competition. Now what is parkour?

1468
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 5: Jump?

1469
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 9: Oh, then you go jump back in Gaza.

1470
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 7: I have to go back, and my.

1471
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 9: Family did not expect I would be backing as because

1472
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 9: I was at home around five am in the morning,

1473
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 9: and that was a whole day, like waiting to get

1474
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 9: to the Egyptian side, and then from there he send

1475
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 9: me back and yeah, and the end, I mean, without

1476
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 9: the help I could, I would not have travel because

1477
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 9: thirty thousand people in front of me. I have the

1478
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 9: Q number, but I am behind them, and I have

1479
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 9: the visa that will expire in two days. Like let's

1480
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 9: say that it starts in two days and it will

1481
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 9: expire in twenty days. And if I don't travel in

1482
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 9: this twenty days, my visa will expire, and then I

1483
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 9: cannot travel with him. And the only thing I had

1484
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 9: to do was like going to the crossing the first

1485
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 9: day with my father. He went with me and we

1486
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 9: just stand there in front of the crossing. It's you know,

1487
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 9: there is a control, there is a list with names

1488
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 9: that you cannot really cross if you don't get any help.

1489
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 9: So I go there and then we just waited around

1490
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 9: six hours, me and my father. Then the sunset came

1491
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 9: and good dark, and then he was like, I cannot

1492
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 9: do anything. We have to go back, and then we

1493
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 9: went back home. The day after my fight, tell my

1494
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 9: father list can we go, I have to travel, I

1495
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 9: have the visa. I just will explore. And then he

1496
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 9: was like, well, I cannot do anything. He don't know

1497
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 9: what he will do, my father. So I told him, okay,

1498
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 9: I will go for the guy. We have a guy

1499
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 9: close to us, like let's say my neighbor, but he's

1500
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 9: a far neighbor. And he was the manager of the

1501
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 9: crossings between us, like managing of coordinating the visas or

1502
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 9: like the last between US and Egypt. So he can

1503
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 9: really do whatever he wants. He can enter Egypt whenever

1504
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 9: he wants. He's a very friend between Egyptians. So he's

1505
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 9: the manager of the christ he's the boss. So I

1506
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 9: go to him and I wait him outside his car.

1507
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 9: Like so, I was close to his car waiting him

1508
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 9: to get out of his home. I know he goes

1509
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 9: to his work around eight in the morning. Then I

1510
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 9: wake up at seven in the morning and I go

1511
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 9: there waiting him to come to his car. I see

1512
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 9: his car. Then I was really happy that he did

1513
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 9: not leave to his work, and I knew that he's

1514
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 9: still there and I was waiting waiting, and then he

1515
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 9: came and then I show him my visa and I

1516
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 9: really have to travel the competition and they have to

1517
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 9: join this competition. And then he was like, okay, but

1518
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 9: do you have the Q number? Yes, but I am

1519
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 9: the last in the list. Okay, but how will we do?

1520
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 9: I cannot tell you, but I have already. I told

1521
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 9: him I have already been into Egypt before, but the

1522
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 9: Egyptian security sent me back to Gaza and he told me,

1523
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 9: do you have the registration of that the time you travel?

1524
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 9: And I told him yes, and did have that time

1525
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 9: and it was okay, follow me to the crossing. I

1526
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 9: told him, yeah, but I can I go with you

1527
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 9: in your car so you don't forget me when you

1528
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 9: go there. Because he's very like beoble just run after

1529
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 9: him and a crossing mariandn there. I had to tell

1530
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 9: me I want to go with you, and he said yes, okay,

1531
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 9: you can come with me. And then he told me,

1532
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 9: but you cannot stop. I told him, can I stop

1533
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 9: her and say goodbye to my family first? Because they

1534
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 9: did not know that I will travel. I just took

1535
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 9: a very small bag with me in case I really

1536
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 9: had like a tack bag with me and he said yeah,

1537
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 9: but you cannot stop. I have to go now. And

1538
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 9: then I was okay. I called my mom, Mom, he's

1539
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 9: going to help me, and but I cannot stop say goodbye.

1540
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 9: And then yeah, I went to the crossing and he

1541
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 9: put me into like a viv that I had to

1542
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 9: go like in a very special past that was just

1543
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 9: five people in it. And I was very like respected

1544
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 9: by the control there and there was like I got

1545
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 9: all the way today to Egypt. And in Egypt, I

1546
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 9: really met the same guy that he also asked me

1547
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 9: about parkour and he was like, oh you And then

1548
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 9: my friend, the guy, the manager of the crossing told

1549
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 9: me I show him what parkour is. I really had

1550
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 9: to go slept for him. I did a workster in

1551
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 9: that room where he the control chick and I was

1552
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 9: oh wow, so cool. Okay, here is the stamp enter

1553
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 9: to Egypt. But I had to go into that airport.

1554
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,480
Speaker 9: He did not know. You know, the Egyptian don't understand

1555
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 9: the visa, like if if it's in the visa, it

1556
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 9: says that it's gonna be valid in this day, if

1557
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 9: it's valid in this like imagine I get the visa

1558
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 9: today but it's not valid yet. But the crossing is

1559
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 9: opened today and tomorrow and the day after I have

1560
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 9: to travel in these three days, then the crossing will

1561
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 9: close for another six months, so I had to travel

1562
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 9: in them days otherwise I will lose my visa. So

1563
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 9: my visa was not valid at that time. I traveled

1564
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 9: from Kasas, so he thought that it's valid.

1565
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 3: So he was, oh, go to.

1566
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 9: The airport now and travel from there. He thought that

1567
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 9: I can travel to Europe directly, but if my visa

1568
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 9: is not valid, Europe would not let me in. So

1569
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 9: I had to stay in the airport that time that

1570
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 9: my visa was not valid, which was five days, and

1571
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 9: then and I traveled, but I had to wait in

1572
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 9: the airport because he did not understand my visa.

1573
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 11: No one should have to do a Webster front flip

1574
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 11: to cross a border. Because there was still one week

1575
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 11: left until the visa became a valid, Egyptian security sent

1576
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 11: Ahmed straight to the airport to wait for the week.

1577
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 11: While in limbo at the airport, the Egyptian authorities locked

1578
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 11: him in a small room without his phone or his

1579
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:11,520
Speaker 11: belongings until the visa became valid. After many harsh difficulties

1580
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 11: and compounding inconveniences, Ahmed boarded his plane for Europe. Ahmed

1581
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 11: has built a life for himself in Sweden. He's been

1582
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 11: teaching parkour classes there for years now. In fact, that's

1583
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 11: how the play came about. The mother of one of

1584
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 11: his students is a theater director and she became interested

1585
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 11: in his story. By his account, life is much better

1586
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 11: for him now, but he still is not free to

1587
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 11: see his own family or to go back to his

1588
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 11: original home. Getting into Gaza is almost as hard as

1589
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 11: getting out of Gaza.

1590
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 6: And hopefully you guys can get back into your family's too,

1591
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 6: because I know that must be read difficult, being separated

1592
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 6: and not being able to get back.

1593
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been six years almost.

1594
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 6: Jesus man.

1595
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's really hard, you know.

1596
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 9: Dramaton the Theater. I've invited my brother and luckily he

1597
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 9: got the visa from first time. He got help from

1598
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 9: the same guy and that helped me and asked him

1599
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 9: and he put him into a special vest. He traveled

1600
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,959
Speaker 9: from Gaza with having doing and then now he's here and.

1601
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 6: Oh wow, he didn't have to be a backflip in

1602
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 6: the visa.

1603
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 9: I did not, because he's an artist and he had

1604
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 9: the visa and everything. So he got the visa because

1605
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 9: in dramat and the Theater Center invited him to be

1606
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 9: a part of the show with his cool piece of

1607
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 9: fabric that he drove. True. Yeah, Alla, the same way

1608
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 9: with the travel and you know, if you don't have

1609
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 9: someone to help you, you would not travel.

1610
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, it shouldn't be that way.

1611
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 9: Abdulla had to get it also help because his visa

1612
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 9: also was also one week and one week and he

1613
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 9: had to prove that week and he's named the last

1614
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 9: of the place.

1615
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 11: Unfortunately, Abdullah had some internet issues and some of the

1616
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 11: audio isn't usable. But he similarly only made it out

1617
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 11: of Gaza because he had a friend who had a

1618
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 11: contact at the Italian consulate. When Abdullah tried to apply

1619
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 11: for the visa, the office wasn't taking any more applications,

1620
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 11: but this friend was able to explain Abdullah's situation to

1621
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 11: the consulate and they decided to give him a travel visa.

1622
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 11: Abdullah also had to travel through Egypt and was forced

1623
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 11: to stay in a small present cell for three days

1624
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 11: without food or water. Once he got to the Cairo airport,

1625
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 11: the German airline he was booked on refused to accept

1626
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 11: his paperwork because they didn't want the responsibility of stamping

1627
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:51,480
Speaker 11: his passport with the alternative of just going back to Gaza.

1628
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 11: Abdullah was able to find a manager of sorts and

1629
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 11: explain his situation with the travel visa and needing to

1630
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 11: go to this film premiere or this Parkhorp thing. You know,

1631
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 11: it's not the easiest thing to explain, not everyone knows

1632
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 11: what parkhor is, but the manager was sympathetic, and then,

1633
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 11: just like what happened with Abed, they requested a Parkourt

1634
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 11: demonstration to see if this guy was actually telling the truth.

1635
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 11: So the already exhausted Abdullah did a backflip in the

1636
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 11: airport as he was recovering from the COVID vaccine, and

1637
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 11: then the manager, seemingly satisfied, transferred him from this German

1638
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 11: airline to an Egyptian airline and he was able to

1639
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,879
Speaker 11: make it to Italy and escape the prison of Gaza.

1640
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 13: When you're anyone who's a prison, the only thing that

1641
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 13: he thinks about, I mean, when you're a prisoner for

1642
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 13: the whole life, I mean, the only thing they think

1643
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 13: about is just how to escape. No, I mean that's

1644
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 13: normally because you just want to be free, because you're

1645
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 13: a prison.

1646
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 9: I've never been into the prisons, I.

1647
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 7: Mean I've never No, we both say.

1648
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 9: I mean, I've been to the Brazen of Gaza, but

1649
01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 9: not the.

1650
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 13: Real exact That's exactly what I mean. So we both

1651
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 13: we were in a prison which is open, big prison,

1652
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 13: and the only way that we were thinking about is

1653
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 13: help to get out of that. And the only was

1654
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 13: really possible is just to use per food as an

1655
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 13: opportunity for us so we can get our freedom. And

1656
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 13: somehow now you're in Sweden. Im in Italy, we have

1657
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 13: this scant freedom, but at the same time it's really

1658
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 13: hard because our family is all friends and everyone. We

1659
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:32,440
Speaker 13: still connected, not freedom, so it's still connected.

1660
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 9: Like I mean, I was trying to meet my family

1661
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 9: last in this summer and I applied for the Egyptian visa.

1662
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 9: Because I still don't have the Swedish passports, I have

1663
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 9: to apply as a Palestinian to go back or to

1664
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 9: visit Egypt. So I applied for the Egyptian visa to

1665
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 9: visit my family because my mother was in Egypt and

1666
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 9: so there to to attend the marriage of my actem.

1667
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 9: But she was there in Egypt with my sister and

1668
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 9: the yeah, I applied for the visa. I never with

1669
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 9: the visa, so I have to it's like I'm not

1670
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 9: free yet. I mean, yeah, I will get the Swedish

1671
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 9: passport soon. I don't know when, but I'm sure it's

1672
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 9: not more than six months from now, because I have

1673
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 9: been applying. I have applied six months ago and it's

1674
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 9: usually not more than a year to get the decity.

1675
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 9: And usually it's accepted if you have everything correct in

1676
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 9: the country, like if you're legal and you pay attacks working,

1677
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 9: you're studying and another language, I'm good there, Just like

1678
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 9: I have to wait so in the end I will

1679
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 9: be able to meet them. I would not be able

1680
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 9: to I would not say I will be free to

1681
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 9: enter Gazza whenever I want, because yeah, to enter gas

1682
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 9: at the moment I hear from people, it takes like

1683
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 9: three to four days and you suffer in the way,

1684
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 9: just like you have to stay in the car these

1685
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 9: three days and every thousand kilometers one thousand meters to

1686
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 9: get to stop by a control like a road control

1687
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 9: that they need to check everything you have, every bag

1688
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 9: you have take it out in the road and you

1689
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 9: have put it back by yourself, and then the car

1690
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 9: continues another another control, and then in the end you

1691
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 9: arrive like Gaza and you say this is the worst

1692
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 9: part of my trouble because because they don't want to

1693
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 9: do it again, they don't want to get together and

1694
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 9: suffer the same way again and the same to get

1695
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 9: out of Gaza. To get out of Gaza. I mean,

1696
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 9: if I have the Swedish passport, for sure I will

1697
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 9: have I will have the best trouble from Gaza without

1698
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 9: worrying about getting a pieza or not. But in the

1699
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 9: same time, yeah, I need to wait an aqueue. When

1700
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 9: well I traveled, When I will be able to travel

1701
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 9: from Gaza, is it like going to be one month,

1702
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 9: two months, three months, because it's like thousands of people

1703
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 9: who want to travel, and it just they allow five

1704
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 9: hundred people a day and that's maximum. And then I

1705
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 9: don't allow any more of that people. And then also

1706
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 9: they they closed the crossing at any moment. And I

1707
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 9: remember the time I traveled from Gaza, was the crossing

1708
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 9: was closed for six months to three six months and

1709
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 9: it was none it was not open at all, and

1710
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 9: there was start thirty one thousand people in the front

1711
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 9: of me in the queue, thirty one thousand, So I

1712
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 9: imagine like I was the last person in the queue

1713
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 9: and they have to wait all of these people to travel,

1714
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 9: and the crossing was open just the three days every

1715
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 9: three months. That means like in this three days, it's

1716
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 9: one thousand, five hundred. When is the rest gonna travel?

1717
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 9: When will I have to travel? And imagine you have

1718
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 9: a visa that is valid for like ten days. If

1719
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 9: you get the visa just for everything in Europe that

1720
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 9: is just three days, and then you get the visa

1721
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 9: for ten days, and then if you don't travel in

1722
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 9: that ten days, your visa get expired, and then you

1723
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 9: have to apply for a new visa. And then after

1724
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 9: that you have to wait because if you get refused visa,

1725
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 9: you cannot apply directly. You have to wait six three

1726
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 9: to six months and then you can apply for the

1727
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 9: new visa. So it's really terrible, Like I don't want

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Speaker 9: to go through all of that process again. And that's

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01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 9: why I decide stay in Sweden and work in Sweden

1730
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 9: and get a Swedish citizenship where I can travel freely

1731
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 9: without worrying about oh, getting a visa or not. And

1732
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 9: because till now, because I'm not Swedish, I have to

1733
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 9: think about getting a visa or not. Will I be

1734
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 9: refuse vicea or not? And even Egyptian embassy refuse my

1735
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 9: visa and they did not even answer me. Call them

1736
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 9: every day, did I give the visa? When will you

1737
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 9: give me the visa? I go to their office here

1738
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 9: in Stockholm. The end, they're like, oh, you have to

1739
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 9: call us, send us an email, and I call and

1740
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 9: send the in. Oh, we will call you when you

1741
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 9: get the visa. But will you call me that if

1742
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 9: I don't get the visa. No, we will call you

1743
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 9: when you get the visa, Okay. And then they said

1744
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 9: to my mom, I'm not coming to the Egypt.

1745
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds rough. And I know for a long

1746
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 6: time Abdallah was in Ghaza when you were in Sweden, right,

1747
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 6: and Abdellah was trying to get the visa to travel.

1748
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 6: Last time we spoke, you hadn't been able to get one.

1749
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 6: So I'm glad you did. I'm glad you're now a

1750
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 6: film star.

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Speaker 9: You have been applying many times. Yeah, I remember we

1752
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 9: went together many times. And they also like there is

1753
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 9: a weird and also invited him and you had also

1754
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 9: and they got refused visa. And I'm sure he applied

1755
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 9: befo as to Italy and he applied for England. Yeah,

1756
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 9: I also applied Italy, I got refused Italian visa around

1757
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 9: four times, and I got the refused visa from Norway Oslo.

1758
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 9: I got an event in two thousand thirteen and USA

1759
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 9: fight did me like for Las Vegas, and WFTF invited

1760
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 9: me for an event in Las Vegas that I could

1761
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 9: not make, and also Germany Hamburg and Hanover invited me.

1762
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 9: And there was many events that I could not make.

1763
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 9: In the end, I could make it to airwork. But

1764
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 9: the first year of the airwork like they invited me

1765
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 9: twenty fifteen and I applied for the visa, I did

1766
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 9: not get it. And then the year after twenty sixteen

1767
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 9: and got the visa because I had the help also

1768
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 9: from another private invitation. So I got double invitations that

1769
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 9: it made it stronger for the consulate and the embassy

1770
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 9: in jury residence the visa and it was like yeah,

1771
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 9: it was twenty one days visa and directly when I

1772
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 9: arrived with and I was like, my friends knew I

1773
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 9: don't want to go back. So they taught me to

1774
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 9: the migration office in Helsingborg in Malmo and there I

1775
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 9: extended my visa for six months first and in that

1776
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 9: six months I wanted to work and stay here. So

1777
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 9: I started to look for a job and I started

1778
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 9: my own job actually like start to work with hardcore

1779
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 9: or myself, like making classes that I was teaching in English,

1780
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 9: and I had one of the students translating to the

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01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 9: kids in Swedish, so he was getting three classes. It

1782
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 9: was tough at that time. I was like it was

1783
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 9: hard for him also to translate because he was not

1784
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 9: more than thirteen years old, who was so shy and everything,

1785
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:07,839
Speaker 9: and I was forest forrest. You learned the Swedish language

1786
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 9: because of that, because I wanted to work, and I

1787
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 9: just started to know hands, head and the food, knee,

1788
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 9: and it was easy because it was similar to English.

1789
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 9: And by the time the kids had taught me to

1790
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 9: speak Swedish at the moment because it was the only

1791
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 9: way I learned Swedish. It was my way to learn

1792
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 9: Swedish was I was the kids all the time. The

1793
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 9: kids language was the easiest to take, like to back out,

1794
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 9: because the kids have a simple language that you can

1795
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,600
Speaker 9: really learn it much faster than talking with another that

1796
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:46,839
Speaker 9: talked really fast and talking very advanced Swedish. I dreamed

1797
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 9: to travel from Gaza and then I made it. I

1798
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 9: did travel from Gaza and then you think, Okay, what

1799
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 9: do I want to make next? And then I I

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01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 9: want to work with Packport, and then I started working

1801
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 9: with Pakport. I never expected that I would be in

1802
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 9: the biggest theater stage in Sweden. A then I am

1803
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 9: here in the biggest theater stage in Sweden. That's just

1804
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 9: like being able to come and watch my store and

1805
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 9: watch me perform in Parkour and telling nice story to

1806
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 9: the It's like I never think thought about it, but

1807
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 9: just Parkour brought back to me.

1808
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 11: As an extra note, earlier this week, James spoke with

1809
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 11: Ahmed and Abdullah and as of a few days ago,

1810
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 11: at least both of their families were okay. Obviously, this

1811
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 11: is an ongoing situation, but I just wanted to add

1812
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 11: that in here because that's the most up to date

1813
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 11: information we have. Ahmed is still in Sweden, is still

1814
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 11: doing Parker. You can find him at Mataragaza on Instagram

1815
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 11: or his website Matargaza dot com. That's m A tar

1816
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Speaker 11: Gaza dot com. Abdullah is still in Italy and is

1817
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 11: studying to become an English teacher, and just last February,

1818
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 11: Ahmed and Abdullah were able to see each other in person.

1819
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 11: For the first time in quite a while. The documentary

1820
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 11: that Abdullah is in is called One More Jump. It's

1821
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 11: about very similar questions on whether it's worth it to

1822
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 11: stay and fight for your country or try to escape

1823
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 11: and fulfill your dreams. Thank you once again to Abdullah

1824
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 11: and off Ed for talking with us. I'll link their

1825
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 11: social medias in the show notes below. See you on

1826
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Speaker 11: the other side.

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Speaker 14: Hello, everybody, Welcome to it could happen here. This is

1828
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 14: Sharene and I am so happy to be joined by

1829
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 14: my guest today. I'm so excited to speak to him.

1830
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 14: I am joined by dB Kashi. He is a pro

1831
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 14: palsying activist from New York and Israel, and there's just

1832
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 14: a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about.

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01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 5: So welcome, pleasure to be here. Great to meet you, Sharen.

1834
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Speaker 14: I want to start with just some background for the

1835
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 14: audience to just like kind of get to know where

1836
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 14: the perspective you're speaking from. Can you tell me a

1837
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 14: little bit about your family history and where you grew

1838
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 14: up and where your parents are from and all of that.

1839
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 5: Sure, my parents were both born in Israel, and they,

1840
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 5: like Miny Israelis moved to New York City in the

1841
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 5: eighties and had myself and my two siblings, and as

1842
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 5: my grandparents were getting older, to whom we were very close,

1843
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 5: my mom decided to move back to Tel Aviv when

1844
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,480
Speaker 5: I was in two thousand, so right before the Second Intifada.

1845
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 5: And so when I was thirteen eighth grade, I moved

1846
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 5: to Tel Aviv for the first time. And you know,

1847
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 5: obviously I was very familiar with it, like visit every summer,

1848
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 5: and you know, grew up in in our grandparents' house,

1849
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 5: both of whom were Iraqi Jews who immigrated to Israel

1850
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 5: in the early fifties. And so yeah, so when I

1851
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 5: moved there in eighth grade, I was completely pretty much

1852
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 5: a shock in terms of what I was used to

1853
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 5: in New York. Obviously, I had friends from many different

1854
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 5: walks of life, many different backgrounds here. I was very

1855
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 5: used to that, right. I didn't grew up in you know,

1856
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 5: a very staunch Jewish community. I had Jewish friends, but

1857
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 5: I didn't solely have Jewish friends, and so that's what

1858
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 5: I loved, that's what I embraced. But when I moved

1859
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 5: to Israel, it was very jarring. You know, I had

1860
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 5: studied in Hebrew for the first time, and you know,

1861
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 5: everything that we studied in school was pertaining to the

1862
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 5: Jewish identity. So every kind of history class, you know,

1863
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 5: you'd study about the Roman Empire and the Jewish people.

1864
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 5: You'd study about, you know, ancient Greece and the Jewish people.

1865
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 5: And that's okay to learn about Jewish identity, but intertwining

1866
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 5: it with every aspect of the school curriculum and really

1867
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 5: thinking about the persecure really kind of hammering home this

1868
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 5: notion of persecution. Really kind of understanding how you know,

1869
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:28,839
Speaker 5: And again, I think it's important to understand your history

1870
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 5: and history in general, but I think that kind of

1871
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 5: introducing this notion of persecution as a tactic to retraumatize

1872
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 5: people that aren't directly experiencing the trauma. Right, So, everyone

1873
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 5: in the world learns about the Holocaust, but did you

1874
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 5: know that in Israel, Holocaust Remembrance Day isn't on the

1875
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 5: same day as the rest of the world's Holocaust Remembrance

1876
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 5: Day because they want to own their own kind of

1877
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 5: version of the Holocaust Remembrance Day, right, And so you know,

1878
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 5: when you think about the Holocaust, you think about other holocausts,

1879
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:08,560
Speaker 5: other genocides that have happened, and Israel's failure to recognize

1880
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 5: those genocides like the Armenian genocide, right, and the fact

1881
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 5: that you know, many people don't know, but you know,

1882
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 5: throughout history Israel has armed genocidal forces with Israeli made

1883
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 5: weapons to you know, support imperialist motives and colonialist powers

1884
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 5: around the world. So you know, even even now with

1885
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 5: what's happening in Armenia with the Iserbaijani's right, Israel's on

1886
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,760
Speaker 5: the wrong side of that equation, right, And so it's

1887
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 5: never been about standing with the side of the oppressed

1888
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 5: for Israel. It's never been about, you know, ensuring that

1889
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 5: what happens when they say never again, actually never again,

1890
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 5: never happens again to anyone around the world. Right. Think

1891
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 5: about their policies, the racist policies around refugees, right. I

1892
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 5: think people don't understand.

1893
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 13: Right.

1894
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 5: I have a very unique perspective because I understand kind

1895
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 5: of the minds of the colonizers. I can humanize the colonizers.

1896
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 5: I think there's a dangerous kind of maybe thinking about

1897
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 5: things from a bit of a different angle than kind

1898
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 5: of people are used to. And also bringing it back

1899
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 5: to the events of the last ten days or eleven days,

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01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 5: at this point, I think, you know, I've always kind

1901
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 5: of looked at and identified with the Palestinian struggle, right,

1902
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 5: And I've always seen it as a human rights struggle, right,

1903
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 5: and you know, as such, and as many well regarded

1904
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 5: activists and thinkers and intellectuals have always talked about the

1905
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 5: unification of all the struggles of the oppress, and that's

1906
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 5: always always arrived at the identification with this struggle for

1907
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 5: the Palestinian people. I've also felt, you know, by virtue

1908
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:08,560
Speaker 5: of this se this imposed identity of you know, Israeli,

1909
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 5: I've always felt directly responsible for the oppression of the

1910
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 5: Palestinian people, even though I've never done anything myself to

1911
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 5: champion or perpetuate that oppression. I've always worked against it

1912
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 5: from a very very young age. Now, people always ask me,

1913
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 5: you know, kind of annoying questions like, you know, why

1914
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 5: do you care so much about the Palestinians when so

1915
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 5: many people in the world are suffering. And the answer

1916
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 5: to that question is I care about all suffering. But

1917
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 5: this is something that the government that supposedly represents me,

1918
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 5: that the entity that supposedly represents me is directly perpetrating,

1919
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 5: and frankly, after going to many protests in New York

1920
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 5: and in Israel itself. I've realized that this is the

1921
01:49:55,960 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 5: most important human rights struggle of our generation for sure,

1922
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 5: but of modern times because it stands for all of

1923
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 5: it's essentially the last beacon of direct colonialism. Right. We

1924
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 5: all know how kind of neocolonialism works. I mean maybe

1925
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 5: we do when we don't, but neocolonialism, through you know,

1926
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 5: different coupitalist structures, right, America has been able to perpetrate

1927
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 5: neocolonialism without actually having to occupy other people, you know,

1928
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,759
Speaker 5: save for Iraq for almost twenty years, but or fifteen

1929
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 5: years or whatever, it was a very long time. But

1930
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 5: Israel is directly and physically occupying on other people, and

1931
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 5: they have been for the last seventy five years, right

1932
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 5: officially for the last seventy five years. And that's been

1933
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 5: a constant, Right, It's not, hey, you know, here's a

1934
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 5: country and let's you know fight, let's continue our kind

1935
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 5: of battle in that way. It's been it's always been.

1936
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 5: If you're a scholar of Israeli history, of Zionist history,

1937
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Speaker 5: you always you start understanding that the goal was to

1938
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Speaker 5: take over all of Judaea and Samara, right, and that's

1939
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Speaker 5: kind of how the settler government that Netanyahu has in

1940
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:24,799
Speaker 5: power has been speaking for years. Right. I'm really upset

1941
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Speaker 5: and really kind of frustrated by the way that the

1942
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Speaker 5: Western media has been portraying what's happening over the last

1943
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Speaker 5: eleven days, because even Israeli media Halitz, which is an

1944
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Speaker 5: Israeli newspaper, which is very prominent one right, isn't portraying

1945
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Speaker 5: it the way that the Western media is portraying it. Right,

1946
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 5: they're criticizing the Netanyahu. There's so many people in Israel

1947
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 5: that are scared, right, All the leftists are scared. They're

1948
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 5: being persecuted. They're signal groups doxing friends of mine, people

1949
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 5: literally fighting for human rights, they're doxing them. Islaelfly he's

1950
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 5: orthodox reporter that's been staunchly pro Palestinian and he's a

1951
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 5: very prominent member of the press. Angry mob of right

1952
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 5: winging extremists try to knock down his door the other

1953
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 5: day and he had to escape from the back door

1954
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 5: and run away, so they don't, you know, potentially kill him, right,

1955
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 5: And so these voices are being silenced in Israel. No

1956
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 5: one is talking about that. Everyone in the West is

1957
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 5: beating the drums of war. The media is supporting that.

1958
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 5: We've seen on the kind of a micro but tragic level,

1959
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 5: what happened to that six year old kid that was

1960
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 5: stobbed to death by someone just because of the anti Islamic,

1961
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 5: anti Palestinian rhetoric that's being perpetrated. And so everyone's kind

1962
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 5: of losing their shit as all of a sudden, everyone's

1963
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 5: saying the same thing because everyone is being pushed to

1964
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Speaker 5: justify this war. But people are starting to wake up, right,

1965
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 5: The UN's woken up in very very slowly. People are

1966
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 5: starting to wake up because they're seeing that genocide is

1967
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 5: actually being committed and so you can't throw your full

1968
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 5: weight behind genocide. But they're walking it back too slowly.

1969
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 5: And the people that I'm disappointed by are people that

1970
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 5: are supposedly smart, spewing complete nonsense rhetoric about two sides. Right.

1971
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 5: I struggled, Right, this is important. I struggled. I know

1972
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 5: people who were killed in the Hamas attack personally and

1973
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 5: intimately know them. Right. You know my ex girlfriend's best

1974
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 5: friend was killed, right, She's We've hung out many, many,

1975
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 5: many times. She was a very sweet, very kind person.

1976
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 5: We know an activist who was literally because people don't understand.

1977
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 5: And this is for a lot of the kind of

1978
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 5: pro Palestinians that that and I completely empathize, and I

1979
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,640
Speaker 5: understand why people believe what they believe. Believe me, but

1980
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 5: this is for a lot of the pro Palestinians that

1981
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 5: you know immediately called all of them settlers, right, And

1982
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 5: I think it's important to distinguish because if there's ever

1983
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:59,600
Speaker 5: going to be a path forward in this mess, we

1984
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:07,759
Speaker 5: have to offer a new rhetoric that deconstructs the nationalist ideologies. Okay,

1985
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 5: I don't put the Palestinian flag or say free Palestine,

1986
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 5: which I do as a nationalist ideology. I say that

1987
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 5: as a deconstruction of nationalism, as a call to freedom

1988
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 5: for all, right, though oppressed as well as the oppressor. Right,

1989
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 5: if you actually read everyone's quoting, everyone's quoting Phenonen, right,

1990
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 5: everyone's quoting all these revolutionaries, if you actually read the

1991
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 5: material that they said. Chae Gavari even said the true

1992
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 5: revolutionary is guided by deep with deep feelings of love

1993
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 5: in their heart. And he said this at the risk

1994
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 5: of sounding absurd, he said that direct quote the people

1995
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 5: perpetuating in Israel. I can say this from a first

1996
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,919
Speaker 5: hand account. I know very good people that are guided

1997
01:54:55,960 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 5: by nationalists and fascist ideologies. However, they've been manipulated, they've

1998
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 5: been lied to, They've they're fed propaganda twenty four to

1999
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 5: seven through the news and the sentiment in Israel right now.

2000
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 5: And I can tell you this, I'm getting messages from

2001
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 5: people they think everyone is trying to kill Jews. That's

2002
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 5: what they believe, That's what they've been told. They think

2003
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 5: this is armageddon for the Jewish people. That's what the

2004
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 5: media narrative is in Israel. Okay, in spite of the

2005
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 5: fact that there are many people that are against what's happening,

2006
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 5: there are many people that directly blame Netanyahu for this,

2007
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 5: but they're being scared to believe that they're being going

2008
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 5: to be attacked on all fronts, and they have to

2009
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 5: do everything they can to neutralize the threats. Okay, that

2010
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 5: is the survival kind of That is a fact. Does

2011
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 5: that mean that every single person in Israel is a

2012
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Speaker 5: terrible human being, as evil as some people say, No,

2013
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 5: that is not true at all. Right, And my point is,

2014
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Speaker 5: and what a lot of the revolutionaries said, right. Palo

2015
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:00,080
Speaker 5: Freer in The Pedagogy of the Oppressed said in the

2016
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 5: process of dehumanization, the oppressor dehumanizes himself. Putting that aside, though,

2017
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Speaker 5: I think that you know, for me, I see I

2018
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 5: know people that died, it was very difficult for me

2019
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 5: the post in the first two days. I think there

2020
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:19,880
Speaker 5: were some problematic justifications for the massacre that didn't sit

2021
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 5: well with me because I'm a humanist. But in the

2022
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 5: same token, right, I think that I understand the context.

2023
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 5: I think it behooves us to understand the context.

2024
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Speaker 9: Right.

2025
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Speaker 5: There's a really famous quote. I forget who said it,

2026
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Speaker 5: but if you started the clock or started looking at

2027
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 5: kind of the colonization in America from when the Native

2028
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 5: Americans started shooting the arrows, you think that the Native

2029
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 5: Americans were the aggressors. Right. If you started looking at,

2030
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 5: you know, the colonization of Algeria when the Alga, when

2031
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 5: the local population started rebelling, you think that they were

2032
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 5: the aggressive, right. And that's not to say in the

2033
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 5: same breath that terrible things happen to amazing people there.

2034
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Speaker 3: Right.

2035
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Speaker 5: What people don't know, and a lot of the Propolst

2036
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 5: movement doesn't know, is that many of the people living

2037
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Speaker 5: in the area on Gazas are actually activists, like very

2038
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 5: anti Zionists activists, right that many of the testimonies of

2039
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 5: the families of the of those activists are saying to

2040
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 5: stop the genocide, that it's not going to bring back

2041
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 5: their friends, their family members. Those are the people that

2042
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 5: were a lot of whom were killed in the attacks

2043
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 5: because that's where they live, they work with. You know,

2044
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 5: organizations at GAZA like acknowledge that, right, understand the complexity

2045
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 5: saying hey, you guys are all settlers. That's just dumb.

2046
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 5: It's not factually true. Their grandparents were, their great grandparents

2047
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 5: were one hundred percent. But now their generations and generations

2048
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 5: of people, right, just like in their generations and generations

2049
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 5: of people that descended, Are they to be held accountable

2050
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 5: for the actions of their ancestors. Doesn't make any sense.

2051
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 5: They should be held accountable for actions that they take now,

2052
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 5: for sure, right, holding your government accountable, you know, thinking

2053
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 5: about an actual solution to this terrible situation that one

2054
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 5: hundred percent people should be held accountable for. But to

2055
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:27,200
Speaker 5: call them settlers as a justification for their deaths is

2056
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 5: something that I will never do, right, and I don't

2057
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 5: think it helps the struggle, right. I think it's important

2058
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 5: to say and then simultaneously also say, did you guys

2059
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,560
Speaker 5: know that Israel played a very major role in establishing

2060
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 5: the Commas, Like, don't be stupid, open a history book,

2061
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 5: see what happened. Right, Understand, don't just be quick to

2062
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 5: call and quick to say both sides. It's not a

2063
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 5: both side situation, even though the aggression was terrible, those

2064
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 5: are those two things can be true. It's a devastating,

2065
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 5: tragic event, right, and I know many great people that

2066
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 5: were killed in it, But in the same breath, we

2067
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 5: have to remember what caused it.

2068
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Context is everything.

2069
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 5: Right, context is everything. Israel funded the Kamas. Bib has

2070
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 5: direct quotes in Israeli newspapers saying we have to fund

2071
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 5: the Kamas in order for is Palestinians never to have

2072
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 5: a state. He directly said that how do you guys

2073
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 5: ignore these statements. They've been very Bib has been very

2074
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 5: clear as to what is going to happen and what

2075
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 5: he's trying to accomplish. And then on top of that,

2076
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 5: to compound things, the settlers in his government right now

2077
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 5: Isamal Bengvil and Smotrich are two settlers. They literally are settlers,

2078
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 5: like in according to the National Law they're considered settlers, okay,

2079
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 5: illegal settlers. And there the second and third most powerful

2080
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 5: people in Israel. Okay, I don't think people understand or know,

2081
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 5: but those two guys. There's there's a famous rabbi okay,

2082
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 5: in Jerusalem. He's an extreme missed fundamentalist rabbi, Jewish fundamentalist rabbi.

2083
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 5: What he's been calling for for a long time, Ka

2084
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 5: sadaka is Kahana was right. He was a very fascist

2085
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 5: rabbi that was basically calling for the extermination of all Arabs.

2086
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 5: And they're basically they're called kahanistem and that's it's basically

2087
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 5: what the left in Israel used to call this government.

2088
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 5: Man tash Khanistem means government of Kahanists, Okay, that is

2089
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 5: what that's who's running the country. And this rabbi has

2090
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 5: been calling for in a biblical sense. And we all

2091
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 5: know when people have an utmost you know, devotion to religion,

2092
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:42,040
Speaker 5: that guides them right, not our world. Our world does

2093
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 5: not guide them. The religious texts and the religious leaders

2094
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 5: are the ones who tell them what is right and

2095
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 5: what is wrong right religious in religious fundamentalism, and so

2096
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 5: what this rabbi has been calling for for years has

2097
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 5: been a war to end all wars. Okay, that is

2098
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:01,440
Speaker 5: what he's been telling them. That is what they've been

2099
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 5: operating under. Okay, their allegiances are to him, not to

2100
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:09,720
Speaker 5: the Israeli people, like literally to that ideology, and so

2101
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 5: they're in the government right now. Over the last year,

2102
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 5: they've been essentially adding illegal settlements at a rapid rate,

2103
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 5: emboldening and empowering settlers to commit violence that we haven't

2104
02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 5: seen in many, many years, levels of violence we haven't

2105
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 5: been seen in many many years, even before this latest

2106
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,840
Speaker 5: aggression I'm talking about over the last twelve months. And

2107
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 5: the biggest most annoying thing that I hear from Westerners

2108
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:43,520
Speaker 5: that think they understand, right, they're like, oh, yeah, we

2109
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 5: really care about Palestinians. But Hamas has to go two

2110
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 5: things to that. One, the fact that there are Palestinians

2111
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,760
Speaker 5: on the West Bank and the Palestinians in Gaza doesn't

2112
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 5: mean they're not the same people. They're Palestinians in forty

2113
02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:02,480
Speaker 5: eight as well. They feel feelings of solidarity because they're

2114
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 5: all oppressed in different ways. Right, It's solidarity under this

2115
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 5: got under this Grand Zionist oppression that they experienced and

2116
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 5: so I think that it's a fallacy that it was

2117
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:20,680
Speaker 5: an unprovoked attack. It's a fallacy, right, It's not the

2118
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:25,760
Speaker 5: case the fact that Aleksa kept getting bombarded by settlers

2119
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 5: on purpose, on purpose, I don't put it back like

2120
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 5: they did this to get a provocation. They've been provoking

2121
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,520
Speaker 5: to get the retaliation for Hamas. They've been doing this

2122
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:36,920
Speaker 5: for years. This is nothing new, right. Every time Ramas

2123
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 5: shot rockets over the last five years is because Israel

2124
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 5: was attacking ELECXA right right after Ramadan if you remember,

2125
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 5: or doing Ramadan. Sorry, And so every time a barage

2126
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 5: of rockets came in right after that barrage rockets because

2127
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Speaker 5: Hamas wanted to show that someone is sticking up for them.

2128
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying you have to understand the context

2129
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:58,160
Speaker 5: when you're in a blockade, when you're living in a

2130
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 5: concentration camp. Worse than a concentration camp, frankly. Right, every

2131
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 5: electricity is controlled, water is controlled, food is controlled. You're

2132
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 5: not able to leave, right, You're not able to freaking

2133
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 5: leave when you want. You're not able to come when

2134
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 5: you want, not able to. A sixty kilometer strip of

2135
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 5: land is the most densely populated strip of land in

2136
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Speaker 5: the entire world, depression is the highest, the highest rates

2137
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Speaker 5: of depression. I think the highest rates of child suicide

2138
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:33,120
Speaker 5: are in Gaza. Okay, when you're living under those conditions,

2139
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Speaker 5: I have no idea how you don't. I have no

2140
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 5: idea what that would feel like. So how can I

2141
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 5: judge anyone any response to that? Right in the same breath,

2142
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 5: I can also say it's a tragic thing that innocent

2143
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 5: people died, and they're innocent people, and I think it's

2144
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,080
Speaker 5: important to hold that complexity. Also for the Palestinian cause.

2145
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Speaker 5: I think it's important to not lose sight of our

2146
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Speaker 5: humanity in criticizing the grave injustices that Israel has committed

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Speaker 5: and putting the blame squarely on Israel's shoulders. That Hamas exists.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that's something that I keep coming back

2149
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 14: to is whenever someone is just all about condemning Hamas,

2150
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 14: which is like, yes, as you mentioned, like innocent people

2151
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:19,040
Speaker 14: shouldn't have died, But I blame all the violence that's

2152
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 14: happening in Israel on Israel, like it's not you. Yeah,

2153
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,720
Speaker 14: you can't just start like at a slave revolt as

2154
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,960
Speaker 14: the beginning of history of slavery. It's like, no, actually exactly,

2155
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 14: they did that for a reason and they had no

2156
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 14: other choice. And I mean for Palestinians, I think, like,

2157
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 14: what's the biggest context that's missing is like they've tried everything.

2158
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 14: It's not their first choice to kill people that didn't

2159
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 14: deserve it. It's I think I think that's what's been

2160
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 14: really annoying with the the people that have chosen to

2161
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,280
Speaker 14: spoke to speak out that have never spoken out before.

2162
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 14: They are so narrow in their view of them that

2163
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 14: it's so damaging because they have so many follow werds,

2164
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 14: or they're talking about the wrong things, and all of

2165
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:11,720
Speaker 14: those things like kind of perpetuate a really dangerous environment

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Speaker 14: where like a six year old kid can get stabbed

2167
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 14: to death. Or I don't know. I agree with everything

2168
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 14: you said, and I really appreciate you saying all those

2169
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 14: things before I forget. We're going to take our first break,

2170
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 14: so don't go anywhere and we're back. Something you mentioned

2171
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 14: early on that I have been thinking about and getting

2172
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:35,600
Speaker 14: getting really angry about is why people are surprised or

2173
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 14: like unexpecting you to speak out about Palestinians if you

2174
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Speaker 14: are not a Palestinian. I am not a Palestinian. I'm Syrian,

2175
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:46,720
Speaker 14: and I am extremely vocal about the Palestinian cause and

2176
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 14: the Palestine. I've always been one hundred percent free Palestine

2177
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Speaker 14: till I die. And it's almost like surprising to people,

2178
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:57,000
Speaker 14: like why are you so worked up? Like why aren't

2179
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:58,920
Speaker 14: you so worked up like that? That's what really gets

2180
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 14: me is your humanity and care. It shouldn't be contingent

2181
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:08,240
Speaker 14: on your identity if you actually give a shit. And

2182
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Speaker 14: I think that's what I really want to like relate

2183
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 14: to people, is this is not the Palestinian's struggle solely

2184
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 14: for themselves, Like this is a struggle for all. Like

2185
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:21,080
Speaker 14: if this genocide obliterates the Palestinian people, that's on humanity shoulders.

2186
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:23,880
Speaker 14: That's not like that that is so indicative of how

2187
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:29,040
Speaker 14: depraved humans have become. It's just so upsetting. It's just

2188
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Speaker 14: a complete obliteration. There has been videos of settlers saying

2189
02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:35,800
Speaker 14: they want to flatten the whole thing, make it a

2190
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 14: parking lot. I mean, I don't even have to tell

2191
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,120
Speaker 14: you what like actual media and like politicians have been

2192
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:44,720
Speaker 14: saying because it's like atrocious. But I think that's what

2193
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:46,680
Speaker 14: I want to relate to people, is like if you're not,

2194
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:49,919
Speaker 14: if you don't care, examine that, because that is troubling

2195
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:54,320
Speaker 14: to me, if you don't care about actual genocide. And

2196
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 14: maybe that word has been used too much to like

2197
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 14: make people give a shit, but it really makes me

2198
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 14: people's humanity when they are able to kind of just

2199
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:05,880
Speaker 14: like shrug it off and continue about their day.

2200
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 5: I've been practicing being hopeful. I think it's really important,

2201
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:17,040
Speaker 5: especially in times like these, to be hopeful because without hope,

2202
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:21,800
Speaker 5: and it sounds cheesy, but it's true, we're not empowered, right,

2203
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 5: We're not able to act. And I think what's exciting,

2204
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:34,600
Speaker 5: what's I guess heartening to me is actually the people's

2205
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 5: response to what's happening. Yes, there are many influencers and

2206
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 5: celebrities that posted the wrong thing, I'm also seeing many

2207
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 5: that posted the right thing. I'm also seeing many people

2208
02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 5: that I'm surprised by. I'm seeing many people that I

2209
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:56,720
Speaker 5: wasn't surprised by posting the wrong thing, frankly, But I'm

2210
02:07:56,720 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 5: also seeing many people white people, you know, black people,

2211
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,920
Speaker 5: right like, people of all kinds that are disconnected, you know,

2212
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 5: from an identity perspective to the Palestinian people doing so

2213
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:15,000
Speaker 5: much showing up. I went to the I was. I

2214
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 5: saw images from the protest in uh the other day

2215
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:23,440
Speaker 5: and there, and I'm not talking about the Jewish protest,

2216
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:26,560
Speaker 5: which was amazing, right. What JVP did with if not

2217
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:30,480
Speaker 5: now in front of truck Schumer's house was incredibly right.

2218
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:34,280
Speaker 5: That's that's solidarity. That's that's that's real, right, That's that's

2219
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:38,040
Speaker 5: that's that's humanity, right, that's what humanity should be. That's

2220
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:40,880
Speaker 5: real solidarity. I'm talking about the protests though, that that

2221
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 5: was Palestinian lad in the midtown, and I saw tons

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02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:48,200
Speaker 5: of Jews there, m hm. And I'm not talking about

2223
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 5: the stmar Anti Zionist, you know Hasidic Jews, those are great, right,

2224
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,400
Speaker 5: and they're they're helpful. I'm talking about like regular regular

2225
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 5: ass Jews, right, like me, Right, people like not even

2226
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:01,920
Speaker 5: wearing yamakas, like people with you know, small yamlicas that

2227
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:06,360
Speaker 5: aren't like you know, Hasidic or anything, holding up signs

2228
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:11,800
Speaker 5: to help liberate the Palestinian people. In spite of the Hamas,

2229
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 5: in spite of everything that happened, they showed up. They

2230
02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:20,120
Speaker 5: were not scared. A Pastinian flag doesn't scare them, right,

2231
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:25,160
Speaker 5: I shouldn't it shouldn't. But again, I want to be

2232
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 5: I want to I want to maintain my my I

2233
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 5: guess I want to maintain the view of objectivity. I

2234
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 5: think again, you know, Devil's advocate, I think when when,

2235
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,840
Speaker 5: And again this is not not me blaming, right, it's

2236
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 5: more so offering kind of a perspective to question how

2237
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:53,760
Speaker 5: to kind of move forward when people Israeli's Jews whoever, right,

2238
02:09:54,160 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 5: are indoctrinated to believe that Palestine means no place for me, okay,

2239
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 5: And then you couple that with the anger anguish that

2240
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:08,560
Speaker 5: the oppressed people are feeling and saying, yeah, fu fuck that,

2241
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:12,040
Speaker 5: like we we don't want you here, right, like you

2242
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 5: look what you're doing to us. I think that they

2243
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:22,440
Speaker 5: view the Palestinian flag as a replacement of, you know,

2244
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:26,320
Speaker 5: the flag of Israel, which many people actually kind of

2245
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 5: not many people, some people view it that way. And

2246
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,880
Speaker 5: I think that the way I see it and the

2247
02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:35,640
Speaker 5: way many people I know see it, it's a flag

2248
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:43,520
Speaker 5: that represents liberation from oppression, liberation of the Palestinian people

2249
02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:49,480
Speaker 5: who are being actively oppressed by Zionism, right, an ideology, right,

2250
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 5: you know, perpetuated and executed by people. But it's still

2251
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:55,080
Speaker 5: an ideology.

2252
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,960
Speaker 14: So just like because I think this always comes up

2253
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 14: but being anti zion and it has nothing to do

2254
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:04,320
Speaker 14: with being anti Semitic, And I think they always get completed,

2255
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:07,680
Speaker 14: and that's on purpose to make people afraid to speak

2256
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:12,520
Speaker 14: up about Israel. I can only imagine how brainwashed Zionism

2257
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 14: becomes to like the whole, like the education and everything, Like,

2258
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 14: is that something you experience like firsthand?

2259
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:25,000
Speaker 5: One hundred percent? I think what we've seen over the

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02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:28,120
Speaker 5: last decade, right, the fact that Natanya has been in

2261
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:32,240
Speaker 5: power for over twenty years, that's that's like the dictatorship

2262
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:37,000
Speaker 5: level stuff. And people in America are like, oh yeah,

2263
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 5: the West, you know, there is a semblance of you know,

2264
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 5: power to the people in the West, as semblance of it. Right,

2265
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,320
Speaker 5: we're seeing how much the media is in cahoots with

2266
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:50,960
Speaker 5: you know, power against the people right now. It's just very,

2267
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,320
Speaker 5: very scary and everyone should be up in arms, no

2268
02:11:53,320 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 5: matter where your feelings lie. But there is you know,

2269
02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:02,680
Speaker 5: there's a new president. You know, every four years of

2270
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,320
Speaker 5: a president is termed. Right, you can't be you can't

2271
02:12:05,320 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 5: be a president for more than two terms. Right. These

2272
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,280
Speaker 5: are real things, right, these are real protections you have

2273
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 5: three different branches of government. Right, you have local level

2274
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:18,800
Speaker 5: local government, you have so many different checks and balances

2275
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 5: that are you know, corrupted and corupted in certain ways,

2276
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 5: you know, through lobbyists and you know, corporate interests, et cetera.

2277
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 5: I'm aware, but at least you have that system. In Israel,

2278
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:36,520
Speaker 5: that system doesn't exist, Okay, there's no constitution and a

2279
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:39,760
Speaker 5: prime minister can't be termed. And so now Bibing Ntano

2280
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:42,320
Speaker 5: has been in power and figured out how to survive

2281
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:47,680
Speaker 5: attempts on his throne many times over through building coalitions

2282
02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:51,080
Speaker 5: with the right wing extremists, which frankly are against his interests.

2283
02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 5: Like he wanted to kind of perpetuate status quo and

2284
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,680
Speaker 5: just kind of be in power. Like this is kind

2285
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:57,680
Speaker 5: of made it difficult for him to just be the

2286
02:12:57,720 --> 02:13:00,800
Speaker 5: guy who kind of you know, makes it makes everything

2287
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:06,200
Speaker 5: okay for Israelis. Right now, Israelis are scared shitless and so.

2288
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:10,400
Speaker 5: But but putting that aside and going back to your point,

2289
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:18,040
Speaker 5: the knock about was never even discussed until recent history,

2290
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 5: Like it was not like no one even knew what

2291
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:25,960
Speaker 5: that word means. Right, we celebrated it as Jomat's mote

2292
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:31,600
Speaker 5: independence day. So the Israeli Independence Day is the Palestinian's

2293
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:35,040
Speaker 5: knockbat which means the great tragedy for those who don't know,

2294
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 5: and what they call it the catastrophe. Yes and so.

2295
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 5: But but what's interesting and very sad is that in

2296
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:50,360
Speaker 5: recent years, because of the world actually and when Israelis

2297
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:52,640
Speaker 5: tell you don't know what you're talking about, don't comment

2298
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:56,280
Speaker 5: on things you don't talk about that you don't know about.

2299
02:13:56,600 --> 02:14:00,880
Speaker 5: You most likely if you've done any any literally any

2300
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 5: if you read one book on Palistine, if you read

2301
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:07,360
Speaker 5: on Palestine by Noam chomskyin and Elain Pape, like, you

2302
02:14:07,480 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 5: know more than Israelis know about their own situation. And

2303
02:14:13,200 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 5: I say that wholeheartedly because I know what they study, right,

2304
02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:22,800
Speaker 5: They omit the large swaths of information in order to

2305
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 5: form the psyche through the narrative that they perpetuate. And so.

2306
02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:33,560
Speaker 5: But because of recent external and global pressure, because of

2307
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:37,480
Speaker 5: the fact that the world's the new generation of young

2308
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 5: people have educated themselves on Palestine, you know, catalyze a

2309
02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:45,480
Speaker 5: lot of them, catalyzed by the social justice movement. Right,

2310
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:47,840
Speaker 5: the Angela Davis is the Tromskis of the world who

2311
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:51,919
Speaker 5: always since the sixties I've been talking about Black liberation

2312
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 5: is incomplete without the liberation of Palestinians unifying struggles. They

2313
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 5: know more about history of it Israel and Palestine then

2314
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 5: Israeli's new. Okay. I've always been super impressed, not like

2315
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:07,480
Speaker 5: not to say that people are dumb. I actually think

2316
02:15:07,480 --> 02:15:10,280
Speaker 5: people are very smart, right if they're willing to look.

2317
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:16,040
Speaker 5: But every Palestinian friend of mine, every single one knows

2318
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 5: so much about Zionism and zion Is history, right, there's

2319
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:24,120
Speaker 5: scholars of Zionist history, right, But Israeli there's no idea

2320
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:26,560
Speaker 5: about Palestinians and Palestinian history.

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Speaker 14: It's just I think it's really unsettling because, I mean,

2322
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 14: for those who don't know, the catastrophe was like like

2323
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:37,800
Speaker 14: the mass expulsion of like seven hundred and fifty thousand Palestinians,

2324
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:43,720
Speaker 14: ethnic cleansing, massacres extreme, like just a disgusting show of

2325
02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:46,800
Speaker 14: forcing someone to leave their land and taking it over.

2326
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:52,560
Speaker 14: It was atrocious and her and I think the fact

2327
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:54,720
Speaker 14: that they can't even learn about power or like learn

2328
02:15:54,760 --> 02:15:57,480
Speaker 14: deeply about Palestine or Palestinians, it's like another way of

2329
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:00,440
Speaker 14: ethnic cleansing and like forgetting to even exist. And I

2330
02:16:00,440 --> 02:16:05,920
Speaker 14: think that's very unsettling because you can't just forget. I mean,

2331
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:07,840
Speaker 14: at the same time, they say, like history is written

2332
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 14: by the people that are in power, right, or the

2333
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:13,520
Speaker 14: people that like win the war, quote unquote, and they're

2334
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:15,880
Speaker 14: very capable of convincing a big amount of people that

2335
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 14: likew like that they were never here.

2336
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:25,520
Speaker 5: I think being hopeful is a practice, and I've definitely

2337
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:32,040
Speaker 5: fallen into, you know, bouts of depression and helplessness and

2338
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:36,200
Speaker 5: hopelessness also, I think we all do. But I think

2339
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:41,720
Speaker 5: it behooves us to practice hopefulness, especially in times like these,

2340
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:49,400
Speaker 5: because without it, we don't have the power to liberate

2341
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:56,320
Speaker 5: the oppressed. Right, Yeah, and I think you know, yeah,

2342
02:16:56,440 --> 02:17:00,320
Speaker 5: I mean, like like you said, it's it's I think

2343
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:04,520
Speaker 5: it's also important. I keep saying the Palestinian struggle is

2344
02:17:04,560 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 5: the people's movement all over the world, right, and we're

2345
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 5: seeing that It's not me, I'm nobody, but but we're

2346
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 5: seeing that people understand that. Right. Like I said, people

2347
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:16,400
Speaker 5: are smart, Right, you don't have to go to you know,

2348
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:19,039
Speaker 5: an Ivy League school to be intelligent.

2349
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:19,360
Speaker 13: Right.

2350
02:17:20,440 --> 02:17:23,680
Speaker 5: Palafreer talked about banking and intelligence, right, when you just

2351
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:29,959
Speaker 5: consume information from a teacher, perpetuating the perpetuating the injustices,

2352
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:33,720
Speaker 5: and maintaining the system of oppression. Right, you can be

2353
02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 5: as educated as you want in that form of education

2354
02:17:35,800 --> 02:17:40,240
Speaker 5: and not understand the world and understand the inequalities around you, right,

2355
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 5: But if you feel those inequalities, if you have that empathy,

2356
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:46,160
Speaker 5: if you're able to expand your consciousness a little bit

2357
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:51,080
Speaker 5: to also include those that you may not identify with

2358
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:55,680
Speaker 5: or as or you know that that maybe are not tangible,

2359
02:17:55,720 --> 02:17:58,560
Speaker 5: their experience is not as tangible to you, then then

2360
02:17:58,600 --> 02:18:02,240
Speaker 5: you're able to understand and situations pretty clearly and easily.

2361
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 5: And I think the world is showing up because they

2362
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:07,880
Speaker 5: understand that. Right. Sure, the air world is showing up.

2363
02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:12,160
Speaker 5: And that's incredible, right because they understand. Right, this is

2364
02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 5: like what I always say is Palestine is the last

2365
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:20,080
Speaker 5: kind of like I said earlier, the last direct colonialist

2366
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:24,959
Speaker 5: project that exists in the world direct right, in terms

2367
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:29,040
Speaker 5: of direct and active about that colonials project that exists

2368
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:32,520
Speaker 5: in the world and the air world. You know, if

2369
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:36,120
Speaker 5: you read Edwards Aid and Orientalism, you understand how the

2370
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:41,039
Speaker 5: West basically created and othered kind of they are a

2371
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:44,440
Speaker 5: world in order to create that separation and division in

2372
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:49,080
Speaker 5: order to create you know, a world that serves self

2373
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:55,039
Speaker 5: interest in visualism versus kind of communitarianism and of the

2374
02:18:55,160 --> 02:18:58,760
Speaker 5: kind of East. And so when when you think about

2375
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:02,480
Speaker 5: in that context, you start understanding that, you know, this

2376
02:19:02,560 --> 02:19:08,280
Speaker 5: is and this is a struggle against kind of Western imperialism, right,

2377
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:13,040
Speaker 5: this is a struggle to free all oppress people, because

2378
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:16,600
Speaker 5: that's what that's what Zionism Israel currently stands for. And

2379
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:20,560
Speaker 5: everyone who perpetuates it, and people that talk about intersectionality

2380
02:19:20,640 --> 02:19:22,879
Speaker 5: and anti racism and all of that, and they still

2381
02:19:22,920 --> 02:19:26,960
Speaker 5: say and they still don't understand that this is literally

2382
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,400
Speaker 5: a real time manifestation of the ship that they've been

2383
02:19:29,400 --> 02:19:33,000
Speaker 5: reading in history books, right, and we're seeing it and

2384
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:36,880
Speaker 5: it's jarring, and resistance is fucking jarring, right Like it

2385
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,880
Speaker 5: was darring to me. I could barely watch it. I

2386
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:41,360
Speaker 5: had people crying, you know, and this is I didn't

2387
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:43,560
Speaker 5: say this earlier, but I had you know, family members

2388
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:45,400
Speaker 5: that didn't want to speak to me, and like, you know,

2389
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:48,280
Speaker 5: people cursing at me, and like friends from you know,

2390
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:51,920
Speaker 5: middle school sending me hate messages. My mom is receiving

2391
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 5: death threats, right, Like this is real shit, right, And

2392
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 5: so like this isn't like an abstract like and and

2393
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:04,119
Speaker 5: so you know that's what that's what people don't necessarily

2394
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,800
Speaker 5: understand when they just approach it academically. And I commend them.

2395
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:10,920
Speaker 5: And I think it's important to like understand the intellectual

2396
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,400
Speaker 5: context of things, like I've done the work, I've read

2397
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:17,119
Speaker 5: the books, but I think it's also important to kind

2398
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:20,840
Speaker 5: of take a step back and contextualize things all around, right,

2399
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:27,920
Speaker 5: and only through that contextualization can we rehumanize, you know,

2400
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,520
Speaker 5: both the the oppressed and the oppressor are in order

2401
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:34,840
Speaker 5: to actually have a path forward that's inclusive of all

2402
02:20:34,959 --> 02:20:38,560
Speaker 5: that doesn't that doesn't pit people against each other. Right,

2403
02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:43,440
Speaker 5: Jews lived on that land for many years before Zionism,

2404
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:44,080
Speaker 5: if your.

2405
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:48,879
Speaker 14: Scholar, I want to say, just fine, before the introduction

2406
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:53,640
Speaker 14: of Zionism, which is a very modern, very fascist ideology.

2407
02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:57,720
Speaker 5: Not only Zionism though, right, Like think about Psych's Peco. Right,

2408
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 5: the British French treaty that was signed in nineteen twenty

2409
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 5: that sliced up the Arab world, according to their whim

2410
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:13,760
Speaker 5: didn't take into account any demograph, any ethnic geographic relations,

2411
02:21:13,959 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 5: didn't take into account any of that, and that is

2412
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:18,879
Speaker 5: what set the tone for a lot of what we're

2413
02:21:18,879 --> 02:21:23,120
Speaker 5: seeing in their world today. Right, compounded by the introduction

2414
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:28,920
Speaker 5: of a European ideology into the region that served European interests,

2415
02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:31,760
Speaker 5: is what is what we're seeing to this very day,

2416
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:34,360
Speaker 5: and the Palestinians bear the biggest brunt of it. I

2417
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:36,600
Speaker 5: wouldn't say like I would say, like in recent years,

2418
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 5: there's tragedies all around due to Western imperialism and Western intervention. Right,

2419
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:43,880
Speaker 5: I take that back, right, Like I don't want to

2420
02:21:43,879 --> 02:21:47,680
Speaker 5: compare tragedies, but the tragedy of the Palestinian people that

2421
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:51,160
Speaker 5: there's no one really advocating on their behalf. Yeah, I

2422
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:53,760
Speaker 5: was going to add a wrinkle that probably ninety nine

2423
02:21:53,800 --> 02:21:58,000
Speaker 5: point nine percent of the population doesn't know, including Pustinians

2424
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:02,120
Speaker 5: and Arabs, because it was actively erased. But up until

2425
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:08,160
Speaker 5: psychs Peco, up until Western imperialism, Arab Jews were an

2426
02:22:08,200 --> 02:22:15,160
Speaker 5: integral part of Arabic culture. Okay, An my grandparents from Iraq, Right,

2427
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:18,160
Speaker 5: Iraq wasn't the Iraqi Jews were not Zionis. There were

2428
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:21,160
Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands of Jews in Iraq that lived there

2429
02:22:21,440 --> 02:22:24,200
Speaker 5: since Babylonian times. Right, there are many you know, many

2430
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:26,960
Speaker 5: empires that came through the air world, right, so this

2431
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:30,640
Speaker 5: place replaced et cetera. But they were there for hundreds

2432
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 5: of years at the minimum. Some would say some of

2433
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:39,080
Speaker 5: them were actually not there due to the Spanish Inquisition, right,

2434
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 5: but actually were there before and never left basically, And

2435
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:47,400
Speaker 5: so you know they were musicians, you know, they played kusum,

2436
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,880
Speaker 5: right like there were there were statesmen, there were they

2437
02:22:49,879 --> 02:22:52,959
Speaker 5: were very integral part of the culture, right. And and

2438
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,800
Speaker 5: there many Arab friends that do know this, and they

2439
02:22:55,959 --> 02:22:58,560
Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, like this is the biggest, the biggest,

2440
02:22:58,879 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 5: one of the biggest tragedies is kind of the betrayal

2441
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:05,800
Speaker 5: of the Arab jew right, And they understand, right, like

2442
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:09,200
Speaker 5: at this point in time, and this is not only

2443
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:12,640
Speaker 5: iraqis was Egypt and you know Yemen and Morocco. There's

2444
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:16,440
Speaker 5: a huge just community, right, like these these people live there.

2445
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:20,240
Speaker 5: The Nazism is not an Arabic concept. They're trying to

2446
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:21,840
Speaker 5: paint Arabs as Nazis.

2447
02:23:22,360 --> 02:23:24,440
Speaker 14: Even growing up, I would go to Syria a lot,

2448
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:27,960
Speaker 14: and my grandfather would like he would only get bread

2449
02:23:28,120 --> 02:23:30,160
Speaker 14: at the Jewish bakery, Like he would take the walk

2450
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:33,640
Speaker 14: and go there, and it was normal. No one cares, like,

2451
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:37,440
Speaker 14: no one gives a shit really what your religion is

2452
02:23:37,440 --> 02:23:40,960
Speaker 14: in those communities. And I think, I mean, this is

2453
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:43,560
Speaker 14: obvious for people that are reading about all of this,

2454
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:48,720
Speaker 14: but the media and Zionism in Israel, they're purposely conflating

2455
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:52,320
Speaker 14: what's happening with religion to make it more complicated for people,

2456
02:23:52,360 --> 02:23:54,640
Speaker 14: to make it this like ancient battle of all time,

2457
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 14: when it's not about any kind of Muslim versus Jewish

2458
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:02,440
Speaker 14: versus Arab versus whatever. It's it's really so simple, to

2459
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:04,920
Speaker 14: the point where it's kind of silly. And I think

2460
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:08,120
Speaker 14: they make it so complicated for people to be scared

2461
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:10,160
Speaker 14: to talk about it. They're they're not informed enough. They

2462
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:11,960
Speaker 14: don't know about religion, they don't know about the history.

2463
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:13,480
Speaker 14: You don't have to know about any of that to

2464
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:16,320
Speaker 14: know that oppression is wrong and genocide is wrong.

2465
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:23,560
Speaker 5: And every every every resistance movement in history was considered

2466
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:30,280
Speaker 5: a terrorist, yes, movement in modern times, right, even Israeli militias. Right,

2467
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:34,280
Speaker 5: you had the Lefi, the Excel and the AGA. Okay,

2468
02:24:34,600 --> 02:24:39,320
Speaker 5: they're considered terrorist organizations because they would attack civilian British

2469
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:43,840
Speaker 5: and they've attacked civilian targets during the British mandate. YEP,

2470
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:48,520
Speaker 5: sounds familiar, but you know what, those those three militias

2471
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:53,720
Speaker 5: became the idea, the idea exactly. The three militias that

2472
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:56,560
Speaker 5: formed that formed the IDEF once Israel was given statehood

2473
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:01,720
Speaker 5: were considered terrorist organizations. The ira Rist organization right Melson

2474
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,680
Speaker 5: Mandela was on the US Terrorist watchless until two thousand

2475
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,680
Speaker 5: and eight. These are real things. These are all facts.

2476
02:25:08,120 --> 02:25:10,680
Speaker 5: But I'm saying even if you're thinking about it from

2477
02:25:10,760 --> 02:25:15,359
Speaker 5: the perspective of attacking civilians, Okay, wrong in my opinion,

2478
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,960
Speaker 5: but when you don't have if you look at actually

2479
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:21,560
Speaker 5: ere another another fact, right, look at what the Chbella

2480
02:25:21,640 --> 02:25:26,560
Speaker 5: is doing. Okay, they were considered terrorist organization. Their armed

2481
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:30,520
Speaker 5: to the teeth. Israel scared shitless of the Isabella threat.

2482
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:33,200
Speaker 5: I'm hearing it from people on the ground. Right, they're

2483
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:36,960
Speaker 5: attacking military targets. They're showing the world that they can't

2484
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:40,160
Speaker 5: because they can. They used to not be able to,

2485
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:44,519
Speaker 5: Now they can. So they are when a population is oppressed,

2486
02:25:44,879 --> 02:25:49,400
Speaker 5: suppressed to the level that the Gosins are, what military

2487
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:51,560
Speaker 5: do they have? Do they have F sixteen fighter jets

2488
02:25:51,959 --> 02:25:56,040
Speaker 5: that they can go and bomb? I don't know the Kiriyah,

2489
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:58,560
Speaker 5: did you guys know that the biggest military base in

2490
02:25:58,600 --> 02:25:59,959
Speaker 5: Israel is in the middle of the televis.

2491
02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:02,320
Speaker 14: Yeah, in a residential area.

2492
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:04,920
Speaker 5: In a residential area. So what if, what if? What

2493
02:26:04,959 --> 02:26:07,840
Speaker 5: if the Gosins had f sixteen fighter what if Kamas

2494
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:10,720
Speaker 5: had sixteen fighters? They wouldn't want to bomb that? Yeah,

2495
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:13,880
Speaker 5: Like people are people that dense like that. They don't

2496
02:26:13,959 --> 02:26:18,480
Speaker 5: understand how this thing works and what what oppression looks like. Right.

2497
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:21,200
Speaker 5: A lot of my Pastinian friends always say the world

2498
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:23,720
Speaker 5: wants us to be the perfect victims. Yeah, and in

2499
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:26,600
Speaker 5: a lot of in a lot of senses, the burden

2500
02:26:26,840 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 5: is always on the victim, right in these oppressive scenarios.

2501
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:32,840
Speaker 5: So I always tell them, guys, like, we have to

2502
02:26:32,879 --> 02:26:36,040
Speaker 5: be smart. We have to make sure that you know, again,

2503
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 5: I like, it's it's trauma that I can't you know,

2504
02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:43,520
Speaker 5: I feel in my bones. But but it's not it's

2505
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:46,880
Speaker 5: not directly happening to me, and and and so I can't.

2506
02:26:46,879 --> 02:26:48,879
Speaker 5: I'm not. It's not from a place of judgment. It's

2507
02:26:48,879 --> 02:26:51,760
Speaker 5: from a pragmatic perspective. We have to understand that that's

2508
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:54,879
Speaker 5: the trap that they're setting for us. The Kamas enacted

2509
02:26:55,360 --> 02:27:00,520
Speaker 5: the Kamas did exactly with the right wing government wanted

2510
02:27:00,959 --> 02:27:03,920
Speaker 5: them to do in order to justify the plan that

2511
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:06,120
Speaker 5: they had all along. I'm not going to go so

2512
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:08,880
Speaker 5: far as to start perpetuating conspiracy theories because it's not

2513
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:11,560
Speaker 5: my place. So I'm not going to say that they

2514
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:13,520
Speaker 5: planned this and it was, you know, an inside job.

2515
02:27:13,560 --> 02:27:16,440
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say that. But what I will

2516
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:20,400
Speaker 5: say is it served the interests of the right wing government.

2517
02:27:20,840 --> 02:27:23,600
Speaker 5: And the one thing I wanted to say, because I

2518
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:27,360
Speaker 5: keep going off on tangents and I apologize, But to

2519
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:30,640
Speaker 5: your point about the Knakba, I said, in the last

2520
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:34,400
Speaker 5: ten years, it's pretty crazy to see the narrative shift.

2521
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:40,120
Speaker 5: Israel has so been so emboldened. They feel so invincible

2522
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:43,600
Speaker 5: because of the international support that they have. Now they

2523
02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:46,760
Speaker 5: acknowledge a knakoba. Now they acknowledge the knob, but we

2524
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,640
Speaker 5: know how they acknowledge it. They say, yeah, the Knackba happened,

2525
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:52,840
Speaker 5: Let's do a second one, yep, right, And so now

2526
02:27:52,840 --> 02:27:54,840
Speaker 5: they're now all of a sudden the knock by existed, right,

2527
02:27:55,080 --> 02:27:57,440
Speaker 5: and they're basically saying, hey, let's do a second one.

2528
02:27:57,480 --> 02:28:00,280
Speaker 5: All the like, all the right wing government of Mine

2529
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:02,200
Speaker 5: officials are saying, second knof but let's do it now.

2530
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:05,680
Speaker 5: Let's let's that's what they try to do. Yeah, they're

2531
02:28:05,680 --> 02:28:06,480
Speaker 5: trying to do in Gaza.

2532
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,039
Speaker 14: It feels like the first one just ended, right.

2533
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:13,320
Speaker 5: That I always I always say that I agree, but

2534
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:16,040
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like I'm talking about mass expulsion right now.

2535
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:19,199
Speaker 5: They're trying to They're trying, under international on everyone's noses

2536
02:28:19,440 --> 02:28:25,760
Speaker 5: to utilize genocide and ethnic cleansing to displace millions of

2537
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:28,840
Speaker 5: Palestinians from Gaza. And God knows, I don't. They don't

2538
02:28:28,879 --> 02:28:31,800
Speaker 5: have a they don't. This was like a biblical idea, right,

2539
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:35,320
Speaker 5: like the Judean Samaria. This is not like a there's

2540
02:28:35,360 --> 02:28:38,080
Speaker 5: no like specific plans that people had, Like this is

2541
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:43,000
Speaker 5: a biblical, fervent, ideological idea. They don't freaking know what

2542
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:46,360
Speaker 5: they're doing. They don't want to go to they don't

2543
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:48,320
Speaker 5: want to go to war with Iran. They're scared of

2544
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:51,520
Speaker 5: the Like these are real things, these are real threats,

2545
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:55,120
Speaker 5: Like Israel hasn't fought a real opponent since the seventies

2546
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:57,280
Speaker 5: and the Young pol War. That's what I'm trying to say,

2547
02:28:57,320 --> 02:29:00,000
Speaker 5: Like this showed how vulnerable they are and they're scared.

2548
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:01,920
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, like I know the sentiment on the ground,

2549
02:29:01,959 --> 02:29:04,360
Speaker 5: like people are scared out of their minds. They don't think.

2550
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:08,520
Speaker 5: They're not very confident in Israel's military, right, Like that's

2551
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:10,360
Speaker 5: why they're bombing the shit, and like that's why they

2552
02:29:10,360 --> 02:29:12,520
Speaker 5: haven't invaded. They said they're going to invade, babes talking

2553
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:15,119
Speaker 5: this big game. They haven't done yet because they're scared.

2554
02:29:15,160 --> 02:29:18,760
Speaker 14: Remember, also, is that the IDF that's all. It does

2555
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:21,560
Speaker 14: not actually act in the best interests of the civilians,

2556
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,360
Speaker 14: if anything. Like there was like a report from an

2557
02:29:23,440 --> 02:29:28,720
Speaker 14: Israeli woman who survived the massacre at the music festival

2558
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Speaker 14: that said a lot of them were shot by like

2559
02:29:31,080 --> 02:29:33,360
Speaker 14: their own forces. It was like indiscriminate shooting.

2560
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:38,320
Speaker 5: The biggest casualties for Israeli soldiers up until this was

2561
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:39,040
Speaker 5: friendly fire.

2562
02:29:39,560 --> 02:29:41,320
Speaker 7: Yeah really, that's that's.

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02:29:43,240 --> 02:29:45,080
Speaker 14: I mean, I just think that's so hard to remember

2564
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:51,160
Speaker 14: because it's a they're framed as this very like ideal

2565
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:55,000
Speaker 14: warrior bullshit and it's so far from the truth.

2566
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:58,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Their eighteen year old kids. Yeah,

2567
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:04,320
Speaker 5: these aren't like US, like marines that are career assassins.

2568
02:30:04,959 --> 02:30:06,520
Speaker 5: Like have you ever seen in a US marine and

2569
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:09,600
Speaker 5: next to an Israeli soldiers. I'm serious, like like.

2570
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:12,119
Speaker 14: I know, there's become a trend to be a soldier

2571
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,400
Speaker 14: of anything. It's like very like you see these like

2572
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:19,120
Speaker 14: young people talk like yeah, exactly, it's like a very

2573
02:30:20,440 --> 02:30:21,240
Speaker 14: cool thing to.

2574
02:30:21,240 --> 02:30:24,720
Speaker 5: Do because there's never a threat though Israel. Israel has

2575
02:30:24,760 --> 02:30:27,240
Speaker 5: been You've grown up in Israel believing that you're the

2576
02:30:27,240 --> 02:30:29,280
Speaker 5: most powerful entity and you can do whatever you want

2577
02:30:29,320 --> 02:30:33,920
Speaker 5: whenever you want, right, and that notion has been shaken

2578
02:30:33,959 --> 02:30:36,440
Speaker 5: to its core. And if you're part of the propaganda machine,

2579
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:38,240
Speaker 5: if you if you're caught in the propaganda machine that

2580
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:42,000
Speaker 5: is kind of Zionist Israeli ideology, you're basically now your

2581
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:46,120
Speaker 5: whole world is crumbled beneath you. Right, you're completely in

2582
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:49,720
Speaker 5: survival mode. Everyone's posting, everyone's like you have to eradicate

2583
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:52,039
Speaker 5: come us. They're not even eradicating comas. What are they doing,

2584
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:55,000
Speaker 5: They're just emboldening come ups Like this happens all the time.

2585
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:56,959
Speaker 5: It's just happening on a much bigger scale right now.

2586
02:30:57,360 --> 02:31:01,039
Speaker 5: Every any Hamas leader that they basically looking for, like

2587
02:31:01,080 --> 02:31:05,480
Speaker 5: a big like a major Hamas leadership, you know, attack

2588
02:31:05,560 --> 02:31:09,320
Speaker 5: and once they're able to neutralize, you know, in their words,

2589
02:31:10,120 --> 02:31:14,040
Speaker 5: numerous high ranking officials. I think they'll declare victory even

2590
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:16,080
Speaker 5: though they're not going to be victorious. They're not going

2591
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:18,880
Speaker 5: to bring back the fourteen hundred people.

2592
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:20,959
Speaker 14: They're also going to kill the hostages at this rate,

2593
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:22,280
Speaker 14: you know what I mean, Like they're not like.

2594
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:23,959
Speaker 7: They've already killed more than twenty two.

2595
02:31:24,600 --> 02:31:27,039
Speaker 14: That's how much do you actually care about your civilians

2596
02:31:27,080 --> 02:31:29,560
Speaker 14: and the hostage like the foreign hostages either like it's

2597
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:33,039
Speaker 14: your but but I don't know those clearly showing their ass.

2598
02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:36,359
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I want to have a clear message

2599
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:40,240
Speaker 5: though to kind of people that are on the fence

2600
02:31:40,959 --> 02:31:46,880
Speaker 5: in the West that are being fed propaganda through Western

2601
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:49,000
Speaker 5: media outlets. That is quite clear at this point. And

2602
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:50,959
Speaker 5: some of them recognize this, and that's why they come

2603
02:31:50,959 --> 02:31:53,360
Speaker 5: to my page and they're like, oh, you know, thank you.

2604
02:31:53,400 --> 02:31:57,359
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't know. I didn't know. In Israel,

2605
02:31:58,400 --> 02:32:03,400
Speaker 5: there are many people, not even ideologically that want to

2606
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:06,360
Speaker 5: bring the hostages back and don't understand why Israel is

2607
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:09,560
Speaker 5: doing what it's doing before and not even talking to

2608
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:10,680
Speaker 5: them about the hostages.

2609
02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:15,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, it complete being like pleads just yeah.

2610
02:32:16,320 --> 02:32:18,440
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about left wing activists. I'm talking about

2611
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:23,080
Speaker 5: like average israelis right. Natania has failed the Israeli people

2612
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:26,600
Speaker 5: that attack the fact that and again this I don't

2613
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:28,920
Speaker 5: enough people know this right, people who know know, but

2614
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:33,439
Speaker 5: maybe some some don't. That attack was a complete military

2615
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:38,560
Speaker 5: failure on behalf of Israel. And that happened because over

2616
02:32:38,600 --> 02:32:41,920
Speaker 5: the last six to nine months since the right wing

2617
02:32:41,959 --> 02:32:50,640
Speaker 5: government took place, took power, they've been using the idea

2618
02:32:51,080 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 5: to support, empower, embolden and protect settlers in the West Bank.

2619
02:32:57,959 --> 02:33:00,800
Speaker 5: And that's why settler attacks have increased. That's why settlements

2620
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:03,480
Speaker 5: have increased, that's why they're more settlers than ever before.

2621
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,160
Speaker 5: And what they were doing on that very day people

2622
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:08,039
Speaker 5: don't already know. I hope they do. But if they

2623
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:11,040
Speaker 5: don't already know, the IDF was in the West Bank

2624
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:14,760
Speaker 5: on Sukquot, which is a Jewish holiday, and they were

2625
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:21,400
Speaker 5: protecting settlers in building a sukkah, that structure that people

2626
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:27,160
Speaker 5: sit in in the middle of Juara, a Palestinian village,

2627
02:33:27,320 --> 02:33:31,840
Speaker 5: and they were protecting them and chaper owning them so

2628
02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:34,080
Speaker 5: that they can break into Palestinian village to build a

2629
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:38,160
Speaker 5: sukkah in order to antagonize Palestinians. That's say what you

2630
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 5: may about anything else. The fact that that is the

2631
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:43,600
Speaker 5: priority of the government. You know you're doing the oppression.

2632
02:33:43,720 --> 02:33:47,959
Speaker 5: You're already committing the oppression. You're already subjugating the Tastinian people.

2633
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:51,320
Speaker 5: You know that Hamas is comas, you're going to remove

2634
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:57,040
Speaker 5: security forces from the border to embolden and empower settlers instead.

2635
02:33:58,200 --> 02:33:59,199
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense.

2636
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:03,400
Speaker 14: It's I mean, that's why the most unsettling things I've

2637
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:06,039
Speaker 14: seen coming out of Israel are those right wing protests

2638
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:08,560
Speaker 14: where they're like death to Arabs and whatever, or like

2639
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:11,240
Speaker 14: they're attacking people and the ideaf is like either helping

2640
02:34:11,240 --> 02:34:15,400
Speaker 14: them or standing by. If you're on the fence about this, still,

2641
02:34:15,879 --> 02:34:19,120
Speaker 14: you are literally for genocide. Those are the two differences.

2642
02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:22,760
Speaker 14: It's either your for genocide or you're against genocide. And

2643
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:27,960
Speaker 14: if you're considering the options, examine yourself. That's not right.

2644
02:34:28,879 --> 02:34:33,760
Speaker 14: I was just sent this tweet apparently yesterday, the twitter

2645
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:37,880
Speaker 14: for Israeli Prime Minister at Israel PM said this is

2646
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:40,680
Speaker 14: a struggle between the children of light and the children

2647
02:34:40,760 --> 02:34:43,879
Speaker 14: of darkness, between humanity and the law of the jungle.

2648
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:49,039
Speaker 14: Are you fucking kidding me? That's like Nazi Hitler shit?

2649
02:34:49,080 --> 02:34:52,440
Speaker 14: Are you there are so many lives I've already been lost,

2650
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:54,119
Speaker 14: and the ones that have not been lost are never

2651
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:58,240
Speaker 14: going to recover. They've lost so much other than their life.

2652
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:02,160
Speaker 14: There are so many terarrifying and horrific videos that I've

2653
02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:07,119
Speaker 14: seen that no one should have to go through, And

2654
02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:09,720
Speaker 14: not only are they going through it, they're getting funded

2655
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:14,920
Speaker 14: and encouraged by most of the world. I cannot accept that.

2656
02:35:15,360 --> 02:35:19,160
Speaker 14: I sorry, I don't want to cry, but I might.

2657
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,960
Speaker 5: I mean, it's that's where we're at at this point.

2658
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:29,600
Speaker 14: No, but I appreciate you being here to get through

2659
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:32,800
Speaker 14: to people who might still be considering what's happening as

2660
02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:36,879
Speaker 14: a both sides thing or a justification for anything. When

2661
02:35:36,879 --> 02:35:40,000
Speaker 14: they see tweets like that, or when they see justification

2662
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:42,440
Speaker 14: for killing all the people because they're all barbarians or

2663
02:35:42,480 --> 02:35:45,959
Speaker 14: whatever it is. I urge you. I urge you to

2664
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:50,560
Speaker 14: seek out Palestinian sources of news, actually see what's happening

2665
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:55,800
Speaker 14: in Gaza, listen to people who are not advertising anything

2666
02:35:55,800 --> 02:36:01,520
Speaker 14: to you, and it's like pleading for their lives. I

2667
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:05,600
Speaker 14: just this can't be how we end up as a people.

2668
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:14,240
Speaker 14: I'm it's extremely unlike no words to describe how devastating,

2669
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:16,840
Speaker 14: and I think if you are listening and you are

2670
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:20,240
Speaker 14: wondering what to do, there are places you can donate to.

2671
02:36:20,360 --> 02:36:22,760
Speaker 14: I can put some links in the description of sources

2672
02:36:22,760 --> 02:36:26,240
Speaker 14: that I trust of people to follow and all that stuff,

2673
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:29,920
Speaker 14: so you can look at the description for that. I

2674
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:32,760
Speaker 14: think what's very important that people maybe aren't taking too

2675
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:37,160
Speaker 14: seriously is how important social media and like spreading awareness

2676
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:41,120
Speaker 14: has been, because the only reason the resistance has come

2677
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:43,960
Speaker 14: this far is because of that, because more people are

2678
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:48,000
Speaker 14: aware about what's going on. People aren't accepting that Israel

2679
02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:51,600
Speaker 14: is doing this. So I think we just can't stop.

2680
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:53,800
Speaker 14: Like as much as they want the world to forget

2681
02:36:53,800 --> 02:36:57,280
Speaker 14: that Palestinians were even there, we cannot forget Palestinians, and

2682
02:36:57,320 --> 02:37:02,040
Speaker 14: I'm not going to stop talking about it neither he is.

2683
02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:03,959
Speaker 5: This is why I'm speaking on I just got a

2684
02:37:03,959 --> 02:37:09,840
Speaker 5: message on Palestinian friends. You are our voice now. We're

2685
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:12,600
Speaker 5: not allowed to spit out a lip. They are arresting

2686
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 5: anyone who speaks or shares the truth. Please, I beg

2687
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:18,400
Speaker 5: you don't give up on our people in Gaza. We

2688
02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:21,680
Speaker 5: need your voice to stop the genocide. Thousands of lives

2689
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:24,520
Speaker 5: have already been taken. We can't stand this anymore.

2690
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,119
Speaker 14: Please listen to that, everybody, please.

2691
02:37:28,600 --> 02:37:35,119
Speaker 5: It's very hard to fathom and internalize what's happening.

2692
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:38,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a lot, and we're privileged enough to think

2693
02:37:38,920 --> 02:37:42,280
Speaker 14: about it that deeply. People in Gaza Palestinians, they don't

2694
02:37:42,280 --> 02:37:46,680
Speaker 14: have the luxury of no of anything other than their

2695
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:48,480
Speaker 14: nightmare of a reality.

2696
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:52,680
Speaker 5: No, I want to add in just yea, because I

2697
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:56,480
Speaker 5: think that the biggest kind of pushback that we keep

2698
02:37:56,480 --> 02:38:00,640
Speaker 5: hearing is homas Yes, please yet. And I think that

2699
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:05,200
Speaker 5: again remembering what we kind of mentioned earlier in the call,

2700
02:38:05,640 --> 02:38:12,760
Speaker 5: how liberation movements for occupied peoples have always been deemed

2701
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:17,680
Speaker 5: terrorist organizations and you know, even targeted civilians. Right, So

2702
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:21,280
Speaker 5: not only like by the definition of terrorist organizations are

2703
02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:24,480
Speaker 5: terrorist organizations. So even if that's what we believe, and

2704
02:38:24,840 --> 02:38:27,040
Speaker 5: let's just say that that's you know, we accept and

2705
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:34,400
Speaker 5: agree that that's what Hamas is, I think it's important

2706
02:38:34,400 --> 02:38:40,360
Speaker 5: to understand that terrorist organizations have become political organizations time

2707
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:43,240
Speaker 5: and time again. And I think that it's also important

2708
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:50,119
Speaker 5: to understand historically the Hamas As as an entity again

2709
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:55,040
Speaker 5: remind you was created and partially created and funded by

2710
02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:57,959
Speaker 5: the State of Israel, emboldened by the State of Israel.

2711
02:38:58,040 --> 02:39:01,119
Speaker 5: Because I want to be very clear, up until the nineties,

2712
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:04,440
Speaker 5: right al slow accords to the peace process. People say, oh,

2713
02:39:04,440 --> 02:39:06,800
Speaker 5: the Palestinians didn't want peace. To your point earlier, the

2714
02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:11,680
Speaker 5: Palestinians were willing to take almost anything. At that point, Arafat,

2715
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:15,240
Speaker 5: who was considered a terrorist before he became a statesman, right,

2716
02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:21,800
Speaker 5: was on the table with Robbin had an agreement in place. Okay,

2717
02:39:22,480 --> 02:39:25,320
Speaker 5: and then people don't know. If you're not a scholar

2718
02:39:25,360 --> 02:39:28,960
Speaker 5: and you don't know, you should know. Oh, Goldstein, an

2719
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:33,080
Speaker 5: Israeli terrorist came in to a mosque I believe it

2720
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:36,320
Speaker 5: was in Hebron, I don't remember exactly, and he killed

2721
02:39:36,720 --> 02:39:41,080
Speaker 5: more than thirty people during prayer, just indiscriminately shot innocent

2722
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:43,400
Speaker 5: people in a mosque. So the biggest, one of the

2723
02:39:43,400 --> 02:39:50,200
Speaker 5: biggest tragedies. Right, and then he was not only did

2724
02:39:50,200 --> 02:39:53,520
Speaker 5: they the response you know Overban's response to that was

2725
02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:59,640
Speaker 5: it was locking down Hebron, Palestinians in Hebron, so because

2726
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:02,519
Speaker 5: he was fearful of what the Palestinians would do in retaliation.

2727
02:40:03,160 --> 02:40:07,640
Speaker 5: The immediate response by Rabine was locking down the people

2728
02:40:07,640 --> 02:40:13,240
Speaker 5: of Hebron. Okay, instead of going and doing something about

2729
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:16,680
Speaker 5: the settlers that committed the crime or that emboldened the

2730
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:21,240
Speaker 5: person committing the crime. That's number one. Number two, that

2731
02:40:21,440 --> 02:40:25,720
Speaker 5: sparked the retaliation because when people don't have justice, they

2732
02:40:25,720 --> 02:40:28,080
Speaker 5: take justice in their own hands. So that sparked this

2733
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:34,280
Speaker 5: series of attacks in Israel, right, devastating attacks in Israel.

2734
02:40:34,600 --> 02:40:36,680
Speaker 5: But it was that that did that, And it was

2735
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:39,160
Speaker 5: his He could have he could have handled that differently,

2736
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:42,240
Speaker 5: but he didn't, right and and and that was what

2737
02:40:42,400 --> 02:40:49,760
Speaker 5: sparked the response. Then in turn, okay again who putting

2738
02:40:49,800 --> 02:40:57,760
Speaker 5: that aside? Right? And sorry, little tidbit. His grave Hu

2739
02:40:57,920 --> 02:41:03,440
Speaker 5: Cochtain's grave is go uarded by the IDF as some

2740
02:41:03,800 --> 02:41:06,440
Speaker 5: and many many many consider him a national hero.

2741
02:41:07,240 --> 02:41:09,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've seen photos of people like crying at his

2742
02:41:09,640 --> 02:41:12,560
Speaker 14: grave like it's yes, save their family or something. When

2743
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:14,440
Speaker 14: he's not just you literally just like went into a

2744
02:41:14,440 --> 02:41:17,720
Speaker 14: mosque with a gun and shot thirty people who were

2745
02:41:17,800 --> 02:41:18,640
Speaker 14: fucking praying.

2746
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:20,840
Speaker 5: Yes, And that's wrong.

2747
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:22,960
Speaker 14: People are idolizing exactly.

2748
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:25,039
Speaker 5: It's rotten to its core, is my point. This is

2749
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:28,359
Speaker 5: what you're supporting when you support the state of Israel. Okay,

2750
02:41:28,480 --> 02:41:30,240
Speaker 5: this is part of part of this is part of

2751
02:41:30,280 --> 02:41:35,000
Speaker 5: what you're supporting. Now taking a second step, Robin was

2752
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:42,960
Speaker 5: assassinated by a Jewish Israeli, not by Pastinian. Even in

2753
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:45,440
Speaker 5: spite of everything, the peace process was still going on

2754
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:51,200
Speaker 5: because they did everything to foil it, right, and then

2755
02:41:51,240 --> 02:41:56,000
Speaker 5: they assassinated the Israeli Prime minister. And ever since then,

2756
02:41:56,360 --> 02:41:59,720
Speaker 5: right then you had Ariel's your own and whatever that

2757
02:42:00,160 --> 02:42:02,720
Speaker 5: to continue a peace process and you know, some capacity.

2758
02:42:02,879 --> 02:42:04,800
Speaker 5: But ever since then, for the last twenty three years,

2759
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:08,640
Speaker 5: no one has been talking about a peace process. They blamed,

2760
02:42:09,160 --> 02:42:13,080
Speaker 5: they blamed the Palestinians for every act of resistance. They

2761
02:42:13,080 --> 02:42:16,360
Speaker 5: don't listen. They believe that they talk the way that

2762
02:42:16,840 --> 02:42:25,160
Speaker 5: politicians discussed the Palestinian kind of oppression is managing the occupation, Okay,

2763
02:42:25,720 --> 02:42:29,160
Speaker 5: managing the oppipation. No one's talking about peace, not left left,

2764
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:31,520
Speaker 5: pseudo left, whatever you want to call it, not liberal,

2765
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:35,480
Speaker 5: zionis left or center or right. No one is talking

2766
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:39,640
Speaker 5: about peace. No one is talking about any semblance of peace.

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Speaker 5: I find it very particular, right, and this is why,

2768
02:42:43,640 --> 02:42:45,600
Speaker 5: this is why I'm saying we live in the twilight zone.

2769
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:53,200
Speaker 5: That Donald Trump's four years in office, okay, he had

2770
02:42:53,320 --> 02:42:56,920
Speaker 5: Kushner that that say, what all the bad things right

2771
02:42:57,200 --> 02:43:01,360
Speaker 5: about his about his behavior. He was and through normalization

2772
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:02,920
Speaker 5: deals with their world, trying to get a deal for

2773
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:08,039
Speaker 5: the Palestinian people, albeit the most absurd sort of deal

2774
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:11,080
Speaker 5: if you ever read what the Abraham Cords actually entailed,

2775
02:43:11,160 --> 02:43:14,720
Speaker 5: right like weird like highways and weird, right like not

2776
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:18,480
Speaker 5: a deal that anyone should have accepted. But putting that aside,

2777
02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:22,440
Speaker 5: he was talking about it. There was discussion, there was

2778
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:26,480
Speaker 5: Palestinian like the word Palestinian was being said by the

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02:43:26,520 --> 02:43:29,560
Speaker 5: Office of the President. In the last four years that

2780
02:43:29,560 --> 02:43:33,280
Speaker 5: Biden was in office. No one said anything, no one

2781
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:35,840
Speaker 5: did anything to advanced piece. No one even brought a

2782
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:39,760
Speaker 5: bogus deal like Darrek Kushner to the table. I don't

2783
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:43,520
Speaker 5: make it make sense. I don't understand. They basically bought

2784
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:49,760
Speaker 5: into the Zionist idea that we can just live, continue

2785
02:43:49,800 --> 02:43:53,480
Speaker 5: living while millions of people are being oppressed and occupied.

2786
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:56,480
Speaker 5: This is the Democratic Party. And that's why we see

2787
02:43:56,480 --> 02:44:00,320
Speaker 5: the media now the way it is, because they're rolling

2788
02:44:00,320 --> 02:44:04,520
Speaker 5: the media narrative too. Right, So open your eyes see

2789
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:07,600
Speaker 5: it for what it is, right, don't get cloud don't

2790
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:11,879
Speaker 5: let your judgment get clouded by this. Two side bs

2791
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:17,920
Speaker 5: aspect hold space for the killing of innocent civilians, including

2792
02:44:17,959 --> 02:44:23,120
Speaker 5: the killing of Israeli innocent civilians, while simultaneously understanding that

2793
02:44:23,280 --> 02:44:27,480
Speaker 5: this is all because of the aggression of colonialism and

2794
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:31,599
Speaker 5: specifically a perpetuation of the Zionist project as a colonialist,

2795
02:44:32,200 --> 02:44:37,120
Speaker 5: nationalist ethno state. And that is what I ask of

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02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:42,000
Speaker 5: you guys to do, right, Yeah, thank.

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Speaker 14: You for that. That's I think a great place to end.

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02:44:46,200 --> 02:44:50,760
Speaker 14: Thank you again for joining me. You are just as

2799
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:54,039
Speaker 14: your Palestinian friends said in that message, your voice is

2800
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:57,320
Speaker 14: really critical because people will more likely listen to you

2801
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:01,080
Speaker 14: than to a Palestinian. So I very much thank you

2802
02:45:01,080 --> 02:45:07,000
Speaker 14: for your activism. And I don't know, it's we're not

2803
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:11,360
Speaker 14: living in a just world and so we just have

2804
02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:13,640
Speaker 14: to stick together. I also want to mention the other

2805
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:16,520
Speaker 14: reason why social media is so important is like, one,

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02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:19,320
Speaker 14: there's a reason they cut electricity to Gaza. They don't

2807
02:45:19,360 --> 02:45:21,480
Speaker 14: want anything coming out of there. They want them to

2808
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:24,840
Speaker 14: die in a blackout. And two they are literally arresting

2809
02:45:24,879 --> 02:45:29,640
Speaker 14: people for following Palestinian accounts. Now yeah, so I mean,

2810
02:45:29,640 --> 02:45:32,160
Speaker 14: if that's not sutalitarianism, like what the fuck is? I

2811
02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:37,920
Speaker 14: don't but anyway, so, uh, that's it for today. I

2812
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,520
Speaker 14: can't I don't think I can do anymore. But again

2813
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:44,960
Speaker 14: I'll put some sources in the description to donate to

2814
02:45:44,959 --> 02:45:47,800
Speaker 14: to keep raising awareness. If you have people in your

2815
02:45:47,800 --> 02:45:52,560
Speaker 14: circles that are still hesitant about having a stance on this,

2816
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,520
Speaker 14: like have conversations. It shouldn't be complicated. It really shouldn't be,

2817
02:45:56,520 --> 02:45:59,120
Speaker 14: because it's not. And that's all. That's all I have.

2818
02:46:00,320 --> 02:46:02,280
Speaker 14: Thanks everybody, thank you.

2819
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:02,680
Speaker 5: For having me.

2820
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to it could happen here, a podcast about

2821
02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:26,720
Speaker 1: things falling apart, And speaking of falling apart, when we're

2822
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:31,240
Speaker 1: talking about the crumbles, the slow and sometimes rapid erosion

2823
02:46:31,320 --> 02:46:35,879
Speaker 1: of institutions in this country, nothing is quite as relevant

2824
02:46:35,959 --> 02:46:37,119
Speaker 1: as the tech industry.

2825
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm Robert Evans.

2826
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:42,560
Speaker 1: Obviously on the line with me is Garrison Davis, and

2827
02:46:42,600 --> 02:46:45,800
Speaker 1: we also have someone new with us today who's going

2828
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:49,440
Speaker 1: to be talking talking tech and particularly talking about the

2829
02:46:49,560 --> 02:46:52,840
Speaker 1: NFT crash and some of what that has to tell

2830
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:56,520
Speaker 1: us about both how the tech industry functions now and

2831
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:00,720
Speaker 1: about how kind of our economies of hype contribute to

2832
02:47:00,959 --> 02:47:04,400
Speaker 1: a state of what Ed Zitron, who was our guest here,

2833
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:08,240
Speaker 1: tends to call the rot economy. Ed welcome to the show. Hey,

2834
02:47:08,280 --> 02:47:09,080
Speaker 1: thank you for having me.

2835
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just hand it over to you at this point.

2836
02:47:13,000 --> 02:47:16,240
Speaker 3: So you may remember two years ago where kind of ghoulish,

2837
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:21,520
Speaker 3: half wit libertarians emphatically told you that NFT's non functible

2838
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:25,039
Speaker 3: tokens would change everything, that people wanted to own a

2839
02:47:25,160 --> 02:47:28,560
Speaker 3: unique digital object, and indeed that the said uniqueness of

2840
02:47:28,600 --> 02:47:32,000
Speaker 3: said object, say a picture of an ape or an

2841
02:47:32,040 --> 02:47:36,240
Speaker 3: animated gift of a sports moment, would be worth millions.

2842
02:47:36,520 --> 02:47:39,880
Speaker 3: The hypeia was insane. Justin Bieber paid one point three

2843
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:43,000
Speaker 3: million dollars for a board ape, which is one of

2844
02:47:43,080 --> 02:47:48,040
Speaker 3: ten thousand procedurally generated pictures of a monkey, and celebrities

2845
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:50,960
Speaker 3: like Milakounis and Lindsay Lohan would fund and create their

2846
02:47:50,959 --> 02:47:54,960
Speaker 3: own NFT projects. In fact, multiple celebrities raised millions of

2847
02:47:54,959 --> 02:48:01,120
Speaker 3: dollars for these kind of noxious little creations. Their logic

2848
02:48:01,440 --> 02:48:04,360
Speaker 3: entirely hinged upon the idea that something being a one

2849
02:48:04,360 --> 02:48:07,360
Speaker 3: of a kind somehow made it valuable, and that a

2850
02:48:07,400 --> 02:48:09,879
Speaker 3: digital token connected to a picture or a video was

2851
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:12,360
Speaker 3: the same as say, a rare baseball card or a

2852
02:48:12,360 --> 02:48:15,400
Speaker 3: comic book, or the sense that owning part of a

2853
02:48:15,440 --> 02:48:18,880
Speaker 3: digital entity like a game was somehow valuable. I personally

2854
02:48:18,879 --> 02:48:21,720
Speaker 3: do not think owning a sword from World of Warcraft

2855
02:48:21,720 --> 02:48:24,920
Speaker 3: a unique one means anything. I do not think that's

2856
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:28,040
Speaker 3: meaningful in any way. But listen, got a bit of

2857
02:48:28,120 --> 02:48:31,240
Speaker 3: advice for anyone listening. When any one tells you to

2858
02:48:31,320 --> 02:48:33,520
Speaker 3: ignore your eyes in your ears, it's the Duller voice

2859
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:37,240
Speaker 3: in your head that says, huh, that sounds really goddamn stupid.

2860
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:40,200
Speaker 3: Or to of course, put a bunch of money into

2861
02:48:40,200 --> 02:48:42,680
Speaker 3: an unproven asset. You should always try and work out

2862
02:48:42,680 --> 02:48:47,160
Speaker 3: how they're going to get paid in the end. But nevertheless,

2863
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:50,800
Speaker 3: it's important to know the fundamentals of this crap, this

2864
02:48:51,400 --> 02:48:56,879
Speaker 3: noxious industry. Now, of course we're talking about cryptocurrency, so

2865
02:48:57,400 --> 02:49:01,440
Speaker 3: these are tokens on a decentralized blockchain. In this case,

2866
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:04,600
Speaker 3: a non fungible token or not as an n FT

2867
02:49:05,000 --> 02:49:08,000
Speaker 3: is a unique digital identifier on a blockchain like Ethereum

2868
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:11,360
Speaker 3: or Polygon, one that cannot be copied, substituted, or divided

2869
02:49:11,440 --> 02:49:15,360
Speaker 3: like a regular token. Ownership in this case, who owns

2870
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:18,400
Speaker 3: the n FT is based on whoever owns the wallet.

2871
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:22,560
Speaker 3: That said, that the NFT in question is actually stored

2872
02:49:22,600 --> 02:49:24,440
Speaker 3: and meaning that if someone tricks you into sending your

2873
02:49:24,440 --> 02:49:28,760
Speaker 3: board ape to somebody else they technically own it. These

2874
02:49:28,959 --> 02:49:33,039
Speaker 3: NFTs of images, say the board Ape, Yacht Club, Pudgy penguins,

2875
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:38,160
Speaker 3: what have you, are connected to images. So by which

2876
02:49:38,200 --> 02:49:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean you are quite literally buying a jpeg, you

2877
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:45,120
Speaker 3: are buying a tokenized jpeg. These images are kept on

2878
02:49:45,160 --> 02:49:49,280
Speaker 3: something called the Interplanetary File System IPFS, and you have

2879
02:49:49,320 --> 02:49:52,560
Speaker 3: an IPFS address that attached to each token. What's important

2880
02:49:52,600 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 3: to know about this is this is another decentralized project

2881
02:49:56,400 --> 02:50:00,520
Speaker 3: where there's no real proof that your IPFS dress isn't

2882
02:50:00,520 --> 02:50:02,800
Speaker 3: going to disappear in ten years. So you could end

2883
02:50:02,879 --> 02:50:05,039
Speaker 3: up buying one of these tokens and be left with

2884
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:10,120
Speaker 3: bugger roll. Like I said, you're effectively buying a very

2885
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:14,440
Speaker 3: expensive jpeg that may or may not be an image

2886
02:50:14,480 --> 02:50:17,400
Speaker 3: of something in ten, fifteen, twenty years, or even five years.

2887
02:50:17,800 --> 02:50:20,200
Speaker 11: So like I used to buy a whole bunch of

2888
02:50:20,200 --> 02:50:24,320
Speaker 11: digital games for my Nintendo Wii system, right, and these

2889
02:50:24,360 --> 02:50:28,520
Speaker 11: were not physical games, And now I cannot re download

2890
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:31,039
Speaker 11: any of these things even though I bought them, because

2891
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:34,080
Speaker 11: the digital system is just Nintendo is no longer supporting

2892
02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 11: it is because it's kind of like a similar mechanism

2893
02:50:36,520 --> 02:50:40,039
Speaker 11: here in terms of there's like all this necessary internet

2894
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:44,800
Speaker 11: infrastructure to like host these digital assets, but we don't

2895
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:47,680
Speaker 11: actually control it infrastructure, right, So it's different than holding, like,

2896
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:51,040
Speaker 11: you know, a disc or, in the case of an NFT,

2897
02:50:51,240 --> 02:50:53,760
Speaker 11: like an actual physical picture of a monkey.

2898
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:57,240
Speaker 3: What's really funny is the example you just gave is

2899
02:50:57,280 --> 02:50:59,720
Speaker 3: one of the few examples of where NFTs could actually

2900
02:50:59,720 --> 02:51:00,000
Speaker 3: be used.

2901
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:01,400
Speaker 6: Huh.

2902
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:04,560
Speaker 3: Digital games right now are in this position where, like

2903
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:06,320
Speaker 3: you said, and you find this a lot with streaming

2904
02:51:06,320 --> 02:51:09,000
Speaker 3: products as well, where you can buy something, you buy

2905
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:12,200
Speaker 3: a video game, you buy a movie, and you own

2906
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:15,640
Speaker 3: it on Apple TV. Apple has complete power to pull

2907
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:18,480
Speaker 3: that down if indeed there was a non fungible token

2908
02:51:18,520 --> 02:51:21,480
Speaker 3: that contained the video in question, that might be quite useful.

2909
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:26,200
Speaker 3: That might be really useful. In fact, unlike NFTs in general,

2910
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:28,600
Speaker 3: which are not useful at all. You are just buying

2911
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:34,960
Speaker 3: a jpeg that leads to an image, and owning this jpeg,

2912
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:38,840
Speaker 3: this NFT might get you inside a discord, perhaps a

2913
02:51:38,879 --> 02:51:42,800
Speaker 3: special discord, of like minded people who have spent a

2914
02:51:42,800 --> 02:51:44,320
Speaker 3: lot of money on something very silly.

2915
02:51:44,760 --> 02:51:46,240
Speaker 7: Sounds like a party.

2916
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:50,320
Speaker 3: It's so good and it's it was really something. These

2917
02:51:50,360 --> 02:51:54,640
Speaker 3: things have been around since at least twenty fourteen. I

2918
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:57,280
Speaker 3: think crypto Kitties was one of the original ones. You

2919
02:51:57,320 --> 02:52:01,480
Speaker 3: could breed horrible looking cats. These horrible cats have sex

2920
02:52:01,560 --> 02:52:04,360
Speaker 3: and create horrible looking cats. Well you didn't get to

2921
02:52:04,400 --> 02:52:05,600
Speaker 3: see the sex. Don't worry.

2922
02:52:05,720 --> 02:52:12,520
Speaker 7: Okay, what's the only reason I invested? Well, I let

2923
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:14,959
Speaker 7: me google crypto kitty rule thirty four. I'm sure.

2924
02:52:15,879 --> 02:52:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm sure that there is a crypto kitty hen type.

2925
02:52:18,280 --> 02:52:21,640
Speaker 1: But now make sure to put Reddit in the in

2926
02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:22,480
Speaker 1: the search RaSE.

2927
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:22,760
Speaker 13: There.

2928
02:52:22,800 --> 02:52:25,000
Speaker 2: You gotta you're gonna get better results that way.

2929
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:27,760
Speaker 7: Will I get in trouble for sending these results in

2930
02:52:27,800 --> 02:52:30,600
Speaker 7: the group chat? Will people get mad?

2931
02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:32,199
Speaker 3: I feel nothing anymore.

2932
02:52:32,600 --> 02:52:35,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, honestly, there's not as much as I thought there

2933
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:36,240
Speaker 11: would be.

2934
02:52:36,320 --> 02:52:37,439
Speaker 7: I'm kind of disappointed.

2935
02:52:38,480 --> 02:52:42,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's a vampire. So the thing about this is

2936
02:52:42,959 --> 02:52:47,480
Speaker 3: the gold rush, This huge multi billion dollar NFT industry

2937
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:50,360
Speaker 3: that kind of popped and dropped in the last couple

2938
02:52:50,440 --> 02:52:53,760
Speaker 3: of years, was something created by a kind of perfect

2939
02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:56,680
Speaker 3: storm of post lockdown financial hystery. You saw it with

2940
02:52:56,720 --> 02:52:59,840
Speaker 3: like AMC and game stop stocks, you saw it with

2941
02:53:00,200 --> 02:53:04,640
Speaker 3: crypto in general, and it was the sense that you

2942
02:53:04,640 --> 02:53:07,240
Speaker 3: were getting in early on something, and it kind of

2943
02:53:07,240 --> 02:53:10,680
Speaker 3: resembled in a funky way, like beanie babies baseball cards,

2944
02:53:11,160 --> 02:53:14,400
Speaker 3: but also with the kind of stench of the fine

2945
02:53:14,480 --> 02:53:19,199
Speaker 3: art industry. But I also think that during the pandemic,

2946
02:53:19,560 --> 02:53:21,600
Speaker 3: and I'll get to a little more of this later,

2947
02:53:22,160 --> 02:53:25,520
Speaker 3: people really got this defined sense of how unfair everything is,

2948
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:28,440
Speaker 3: how you can't just go to college anymore, you can't

2949
02:53:28,520 --> 02:53:31,160
Speaker 3: just work really hard and get a mortgage. You have

2950
02:53:31,240 --> 02:53:34,000
Speaker 3: to effectively find a way to cheat. And this seemed

2951
02:53:34,040 --> 02:53:37,280
Speaker 3: like a cheat they had got in on early. The

2952
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:40,080
Speaker 3: problem is they didn't, and I'll kind of get into

2953
02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:42,760
Speaker 3: that later. But another part of it, the part that

2954
02:53:42,840 --> 02:53:47,120
Speaker 3: really stank to me, was that they were selling this ugly,

2955
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:51,640
Speaker 3: obviously rotten dream that you were owning part of a

2956
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:56,200
Speaker 3: future media property, being at the yeah, like you were

2957
02:53:56,200 --> 02:53:59,840
Speaker 3: going to be part of Disney or Marvel the board apes.

2958
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:02,959
Speaker 3: When you bought a board ape, you allegedly got the

2959
02:54:03,080 --> 02:54:08,880
Speaker 3: rights to distribute it and build a show or merchandise,

2960
02:54:08,920 --> 02:54:12,040
Speaker 3: And in fact, Seth Green bought an ape that he

2961
02:54:12,120 --> 02:54:14,760
Speaker 3: tried to build a TV show around, Classic twenty twenty

2962
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:16,720
Speaker 3: two idea building a TV show.

2963
02:54:16,520 --> 02:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Around Oh you guys, did you guys see the show?

2964
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:23,080
Speaker 7: By the way, we waked in the first few episodes.

2965
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:25,240
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was a different NFT show.

2966
02:54:25,600 --> 02:54:27,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a different board ape show.

2967
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:28,440
Speaker 2: I can clarify here.

2968
02:54:28,480 --> 02:54:30,879
Speaker 1: There was a there was a show called The Red

2969
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:35,600
Speaker 1: Ape Family that was about an adjacent property that Red Apes,

2970
02:54:35,640 --> 02:54:39,039
Speaker 1: but other NFTs. But then Seth Green was also trying

2971
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:42,360
Speaker 1: to make a show that was like almost like a

2972
02:54:42,440 --> 02:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Who Framed Roger Rabbit where it's a mix of like

2973
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:49,039
Speaker 1: cartoons and like real background sets. But it's just like

2974
02:54:49,080 --> 02:54:52,840
Speaker 1: about Seth Green, who is a monkey as a bartender,

2975
02:54:52,959 --> 02:54:54,240
Speaker 1: Like it looked like dog shit.

2976
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:59,199
Speaker 3: What's funny is someone scammed him out of that ape

2977
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:02,600
Speaker 3: so he I had to pause He had to pause

2978
02:55:02,680 --> 02:55:04,519
Speaker 3: production on his show.

2979
02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:07,119
Speaker 7: This is the future of entertainment fucks.

2980
02:55:07,120 --> 02:55:11,400
Speaker 3: Because he didn't have the intellectual property rights anymore. And

2981
02:55:11,440 --> 02:55:13,560
Speaker 3: then he ended up having to pay one hundred grand

2982
02:55:13,560 --> 02:55:16,520
Speaker 3: to get it back and the show never I cannot

2983
02:55:16,520 --> 02:55:21,640
Speaker 3: find the show anywhere. But this is the thing putting

2984
02:55:21,640 --> 02:55:25,360
Speaker 3: that aside. People genuinely thought they were buying, like amazing

2985
02:55:25,400 --> 02:55:28,000
Speaker 3: Fantasy fifteen, first appearance of Spider Man, stuff like that.

2986
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:30,720
Speaker 3: They thought that they were buying something that would give

2987
02:55:30,760 --> 02:55:34,800
Speaker 3: them access but also some degree of ownership over a

2988
02:55:34,879 --> 02:55:38,959
Speaker 3: future IP and frankly, I can understand how they were

2989
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:42,680
Speaker 3: scammed because you had people like Alexis o'hanian, the founder

2990
02:55:42,720 --> 02:55:47,040
Speaker 3: of Reddit, who threw his VC firm seven seven six

2991
02:55:47,080 --> 02:55:50,840
Speaker 3: sunk fifty four million dollars into an NFT project called Doodles,

2992
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:55,240
Speaker 3: claiming in January of this year, twenty twenty three, that

2993
02:55:55,360 --> 02:55:58,720
Speaker 3: Digles this year, this year. H In fact, now, to

2994
02:55:58,760 --> 02:56:01,640
Speaker 3: be clear, the funding was last twenty twenty two. Okay, okay,

2995
02:56:02,200 --> 02:56:05,160
Speaker 3: but he claimed this year. And to be clear, Doodles

2996
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:07,600
Speaker 3: is a collection of NFTs and an associated cut in

2997
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:10,480
Speaker 3: that kind of looks like Adventure Time, but significantly worse.

2998
02:56:10,840 --> 02:56:11,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense.

2999
02:56:12,520 --> 02:56:16,240
Speaker 3: Alexis said that Doodles wanted to build the next generation

3000
02:56:16,320 --> 02:56:18,480
Speaker 3: of Disney and a whole world of IP that is

3001
02:56:18,520 --> 02:56:20,920
Speaker 3: giving people a state and a sense of ownership.

3002
02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:23,680
Speaker 7: Sure so, sure, buddy, Yeah.

3003
02:56:24,240 --> 02:56:27,760
Speaker 3: Exactly, Thank you, Alexis. I one hunch, how does being

3004
02:56:27,879 --> 02:56:31,320
Speaker 3: rich feel? So to be clear, what Doodles was is

3005
02:56:31,800 --> 02:56:36,240
Speaker 3: still it was a collection of ten thousand NFTs of

3006
02:56:36,320 --> 02:56:39,920
Speaker 3: Doodles procedurally generated, like most of these, and it's worth

3007
02:56:39,920 --> 02:56:42,080
Speaker 3: taking a step back here. Why are so many of

3008
02:56:42,080 --> 02:56:48,599
Speaker 3: these projects ten thousand images? It's because there's absolutely no creativity,

3009
02:56:48,680 --> 02:56:51,759
Speaker 3: not even a little. They just is it's.

3010
02:56:51,959 --> 02:56:54,959
Speaker 11: Like a is there like a false scarcity aspect which

3011
02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:57,840
Speaker 11: is trying to like inflate value. Is that like another

3012
02:56:57,959 --> 02:57:00,000
Speaker 11: reason for why they would have like these limitatches becase

3013
02:57:00,280 --> 02:57:03,440
Speaker 11: I know the original board ape ones were like around

3014
02:57:03,600 --> 02:57:05,920
Speaker 11: around ten thousand as well, at least initially.

3015
02:57:06,760 --> 02:57:11,200
Speaker 3: Yes, there's always like a couple thousand ten thousand, but

3016
02:57:11,240 --> 02:57:13,600
Speaker 3: when you take a step back and really think about it,

3017
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:17,240
Speaker 3: that's actually a huge amount. It isn't the scarce good

3018
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:21,240
Speaker 3: It isn't It may be to the people who are

3019
02:57:21,280 --> 02:57:26,320
Speaker 3: pumping and dumping them, but ten thousand isn't creativity. There's

3020
02:57:26,360 --> 02:57:30,320
Speaker 3: what like it's maybe thirty different spider men, so that's

3021
02:57:30,360 --> 02:57:33,200
Speaker 3: not ten thousand of them. And none of these have

3022
02:57:33,280 --> 02:57:36,560
Speaker 3: a name, none of these have a character. I will

3023
02:57:36,600 --> 02:57:39,440
Speaker 3: get to the two characters and Doodles, because there are

3024
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:39,840
Speaker 3: just two.

3025
02:57:41,320 --> 02:57:43,160
Speaker 1: The more that you talk about this and just kind

3026
02:57:43,160 --> 02:57:46,400
Speaker 1: of based on my paying attention to it, I kind

3027
02:57:46,440 --> 02:57:47,800
Speaker 1: of feel like part of what we're seeing is like

3028
02:57:47,800 --> 02:57:51,640
Speaker 1: the intersection of two cultural myths, right. One of them

3029
02:57:51,720 --> 02:57:54,800
Speaker 1: is like the myth about how I mean, it's not

3030
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:58,039
Speaker 1: entirely myth, largely accurate about what happened with Apple when

3031
02:57:58,040 --> 02:58:00,320
Speaker 1: it went public, right, and you have all of theseundreds

3032
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:03,400
Speaker 1: of like nerds who had just been like working class

3033
02:58:03,480 --> 02:58:06,200
Speaker 1: kids who become worth hundreds of millions of dollars overnight, right,

3034
02:58:06,400 --> 02:58:08,879
Speaker 1: which has become part of kind of like our our

3035
02:58:08,959 --> 02:58:12,400
Speaker 1: cultural memory of like how tech is supposed to work

3036
02:58:12,480 --> 02:58:16,760
Speaker 1: ever since. And then the other is like Star Wars, right,

3037
02:58:16,840 --> 02:58:21,400
Speaker 1: and the way in which George Lucas revolutionized capitalizing on

3038
02:58:21,879 --> 02:58:24,880
Speaker 1: every silly idea you've ever had, Like a lot of NFT.

3039
02:58:25,360 --> 02:58:27,039
Speaker 1: A lot of the NFT hype is based on the

3040
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:29,800
Speaker 1: belief that like you could be you could you could

3041
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:32,240
Speaker 1: buy into the next like Glurf, stream Bow or whatever

3042
02:58:32,280 --> 02:58:36,240
Speaker 1: fucking weirdo George Lucas character, and it could get a movie,

3043
02:58:36,320 --> 02:58:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, because yeah, it's all infinitely capitalizable.

3044
02:58:39,840 --> 02:58:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kind of Buckshittos of the world. Yeah, yeah,

3045
02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean you're actually right as well, because I don't

3046
02:58:45,560 --> 02:58:48,000
Speaker 3: know if you remember when episode one Star Wars Episode

3047
02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:51,160
Speaker 3: one came out, they deliberately made the box to look

3048
02:58:51,240 --> 02:58:53,320
Speaker 3: like the old Return and the Jedi figures, which were

3049
02:58:53,320 --> 02:58:55,520
Speaker 3: now worth thousands, well a lot.

3050
02:58:55,440 --> 02:58:56,720
Speaker 7: Of money, a lot of money.

3051
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:59,440
Speaker 3: But there is that full scarcity aspect, and it is.

3052
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:03,280
Speaker 3: It is like that, except even worse because there's less

3053
02:59:03,360 --> 02:59:07,880
Speaker 3: value to it. Because when you buy a doodle, as

3054
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,880
Speaker 3: you will putting thousands of dollars into something called a doodle,

3055
02:59:11,360 --> 02:59:15,000
Speaker 3: one might wonder what exactly is the value of this,

3056
02:59:15,080 --> 02:59:19,480
Speaker 3: Because doodles do not actually convey any intellectual property. Board

3057
02:59:19,480 --> 02:59:23,680
Speaker 3: apes kind of do. The legalities muddy. You can merchandise

3058
02:59:23,800 --> 02:59:27,039
Speaker 3: your doodle for up to one hundred thousand dollars of

3059
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:30,000
Speaker 3: physical goods, So T shirts. You know why you would

3060
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:32,640
Speaker 3: buy a doodle T shirt? I'm not really sure, but

3061
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:40,440
Speaker 3: you could sell it. Just the theoreticals here are amazing. But Doodles, really,

3062
02:59:40,480 --> 02:59:43,039
Speaker 3: at it's call, was sold on the idea that it

3063
02:59:43,160 --> 02:59:45,760
Speaker 3: allowed you to steer the company to vote on the

3064
02:59:45,800 --> 02:59:49,800
Speaker 3: future of Doodles, which is kind of similar to Board

3065
02:59:49,800 --> 02:59:52,160
Speaker 3: Ape Yacht Club. You could get ape coin if you

3066
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:55,240
Speaker 3: had NFTs of the apes or the mute apes, and

3067
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:59,960
Speaker 3: you could then vote in these votes about the few

3068
03:00:00,120 --> 03:00:03,600
Speaker 3: true of the Board eight Yacht Club, but not Yuga Labs,

3069
03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:05,680
Speaker 3: who owns the board ep Yacht Club. So really you

3070
03:00:05,720 --> 03:00:10,400
Speaker 3: were just controlling a vague sense of nothing. In the

3071
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:14,400
Speaker 3: case of Doodles, you could vote on what they may

3072
03:00:14,520 --> 03:00:17,160
Speaker 3: do in the future. It was never really obvious was

3073
03:00:17,160 --> 03:00:21,400
Speaker 3: doodles a doo. Doodles is a dow okay, okay. And

3074
03:00:21,800 --> 03:00:24,040
Speaker 3: the funny thing to remember about almost all of these

3075
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:26,600
Speaker 3: as well is not in the case of Doodles, but

3076
03:00:26,640 --> 03:00:28,280
Speaker 3: in the case of like the bord Epe Yacht Club

3077
03:00:28,320 --> 03:00:32,000
Speaker 3: and the ape chain, I hate this crape and Joyson

3078
03:00:32,040 --> 03:00:36,879
Speaker 3: Horowitz owns fourteen percent of all ape coin of their

3079
03:00:36,920 --> 03:00:41,920
Speaker 3: initial drop. They own multiple cryptoproducts, large chunks of these

3080
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:44,240
Speaker 3: total tokens, and so they can control these votes if

3081
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:46,760
Speaker 3: they need to. But what's also important to know is

3082
03:00:47,040 --> 03:00:50,400
Speaker 3: none of this stuff involves the actual goddamn company. Nobody

3083
03:00:50,480 --> 03:00:56,240
Speaker 3: owns a thing. These decentralized autonomous organizations doos are always

3084
03:00:56,240 --> 03:00:59,360
Speaker 3: framed as this kind of democratic process, carefully leaving out

3085
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:01,959
Speaker 3: the fact that demo crack system with transactable votes is

3086
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:05,680
Speaker 3: by definition of goddamn kleptocracy. But on top of that,

3087
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:09,240
Speaker 3: you don't own anything. You don't have anything with these companies.

3088
03:01:09,240 --> 03:01:13,240
Speaker 3: You don't get stock, you don't get anything. You just

3089
03:01:13,360 --> 03:01:16,760
Speaker 3: have one of ten thousand images that may in ten

3090
03:01:16,840 --> 03:01:23,080
Speaker 3: years not actually go anywhere. It's farcical. The only thing

3091
03:01:23,240 --> 03:01:26,840
Speaker 3: dumber than that, however, is the fact that Doodles is

3092
03:01:26,879 --> 03:01:29,600
Speaker 3: no longer an NFT project and will no longer cater

3093
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:33,879
Speaker 3: the speculators. According to a statement from marsh by the

3094
03:01:33,920 --> 03:01:37,840
Speaker 3: co founder, Jordan Poopy Castro, Poopy is oh wow.

3095
03:01:37,720 --> 03:01:40,000
Speaker 1: See this is where I'm putting, you know what, Garrison,

3096
03:01:40,200 --> 03:01:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm putting the whole company pension plane behind this guy.

3097
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:45,680
Speaker 1: Poopy's got to be the one who makes those cars

3098
03:01:45,720 --> 03:01:46,160
Speaker 1: from now on.

3099
03:01:47,480 --> 03:01:49,160
Speaker 3: It's really going to suck as well. If you were

3100
03:01:49,200 --> 03:01:52,600
Speaker 3: like a speculative investor in Doodles already and you find

3101
03:01:52,600 --> 03:01:55,240
Speaker 3: out that your whole thing is going to be worthless

3102
03:01:55,360 --> 03:01:59,240
Speaker 3: because of a guy called Poopy, I think that that

3103
03:01:59,240 --> 03:02:05,840
Speaker 3: that's just very special to me. So yeah, continue, I'll continue. So,

3104
03:02:06,440 --> 03:02:09,320
Speaker 3: just to be clear, less than the year before this,

3105
03:02:09,440 --> 03:02:13,720
Speaker 3: according to their investor, this company was positioned to continue

3106
03:02:13,760 --> 03:02:17,120
Speaker 3: to define the NFT industry and onboard millions to the

3107
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:20,800
Speaker 3: blockchain and become one of the most inclusive, creative, joyful

3108
03:02:20,840 --> 03:02:24,879
Speaker 3: media brands in Web three and beyond. This is the

3109
03:02:24,920 --> 03:02:28,440
Speaker 3: same company that had now officially rug pulled their entire

3110
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:32,359
Speaker 3: customer base. And by the way, if you'd have invested

3111
03:02:33,080 --> 03:02:35,560
Speaker 3: at the time that the fifty four million dollar funding round,

3112
03:02:35,600 --> 03:02:37,959
Speaker 3: so towards the end of twenty twenty two, you would

3113
03:02:37,959 --> 03:02:40,840
Speaker 3: have lost money. You would not have gained money. There

3114
03:02:40,840 --> 03:02:43,760
Speaker 3: was no liquidity event that had given would give you anything.

3115
03:02:44,480 --> 03:02:48,320
Speaker 3: Also important to recognize with so other than Alexis o'hanian,

3116
03:02:49,440 --> 03:02:57,000
Speaker 3: the other investor in Doodles was FTX Ventures. So in

3117
03:02:57,120 --> 03:02:59,800
Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty three, you kind of sat down

3118
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:02,199
Speaker 3: with morning coffee and you read the announcement from Jordan

3119
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:04,560
Speaker 3: Poopy Castro and found out that your FTX back to

3120
03:03:04,640 --> 03:03:08,280
Speaker 3: n FT project had lost about eighty five percent of

3121
03:03:08,280 --> 03:03:10,560
Speaker 3: its value and now the company was not backing you

3122
03:03:10,600 --> 03:03:11,560
Speaker 3: in any fucking way.

3123
03:03:11,959 --> 03:03:14,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I mean FTX is putting out Super Bowl ads.

3124
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:17,240
Speaker 11: They seem stable, they seem like Alliam, that'd be fine,

3125
03:03:18,320 --> 03:03:18,800
Speaker 11: what could.

3126
03:03:18,680 --> 03:03:25,800
Speaker 3: Happen'd be fine. But what's great about this is it

3127
03:03:25,920 --> 03:03:29,080
Speaker 3: is probably one of the largest rug pools I've ever seen.

3128
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:32,800
Speaker 3: And nobody is in trouble. Nobody's mad at Alexis Ohanium.

3129
03:03:33,280 --> 03:03:36,240
Speaker 3: Doodles sold people on a dream, a stupid dream, but

3130
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:39,959
Speaker 3: a dream, yes, yes, yes, very very goddamn stupid one

3131
03:03:40,040 --> 03:03:42,320
Speaker 3: that you'd be investing in participating in the future of

3132
03:03:42,360 --> 03:03:45,920
Speaker 3: intellectual property and have some industry over its future. You

3133
03:03:45,959 --> 03:03:48,920
Speaker 3: would theoretically, though obviously when you read this now it

3134
03:03:48,959 --> 03:03:51,160
Speaker 3: sounds dumb. And also when you read it at the time,

3135
03:03:52,240 --> 03:03:55,199
Speaker 3: it's you were meant to be buying into the next Disney,

3136
03:03:55,280 --> 03:03:57,520
Speaker 3: the next Marvel, Yes, what was sold?

3137
03:03:58,400 --> 03:03:59,960
Speaker 7: That is another huge aspect a thing.

3138
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:02,800
Speaker 11: There's like, I think a lot of people who are like,

3139
03:04:03,440 --> 03:04:05,480
Speaker 11: you know, grew up with like pop culture and want

3140
03:04:05,480 --> 03:04:07,840
Speaker 11: to take part in like the creation of like culture

3141
03:04:07,879 --> 03:04:12,280
Speaker 11: and media. But you know, Hollywood systems feels so foreign

3142
03:04:12,360 --> 03:04:15,400
Speaker 11: and unattainable. So this thing comes up and this looks

3143
03:04:15,440 --> 03:04:17,760
Speaker 11: like like a democratized way that you can like get

3144
03:04:17,800 --> 03:04:21,000
Speaker 11: in on some like new version of what the entertainment

3145
03:04:21,120 --> 03:04:22,920
Speaker 11: like landscape will be. And you're like, oh, this is

3146
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:24,520
Speaker 11: this is like my chance I can be one of

3147
03:04:25,120 --> 03:04:29,520
Speaker 11: ten thousand people to like contribute towards this next big,

3148
03:04:29,560 --> 03:04:32,800
Speaker 11: you know, cultural thing in ten twenty years. I mean,

3149
03:04:32,840 --> 03:04:37,000
Speaker 11: obviously that's like in retrospect, it's very clearly a scam

3150
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:40,120
Speaker 11: for some people, like probably myself and many people listening.

3151
03:04:40,400 --> 03:04:43,800
Speaker 11: Initially this sounded like a scam, but it certainly was

3152
03:04:43,840 --> 03:04:47,600
Speaker 11: alluring for a good deal number of people. I mean,

3153
03:04:47,600 --> 03:04:50,560
Speaker 11: I'm this is kind of reminding me that there was

3154
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:56,119
Speaker 11: this very similar kind of DOW, big big failure around Dune.

3155
03:04:56,560 --> 03:04:58,640
Speaker 11: They were wanting to put out.

3156
03:04:58,600 --> 03:05:01,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they wanted to buy, they wanted to buy

3157
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:06,280
Speaker 1: the deck and the rights to Yodorowski's Dune, Yes yeah.

3158
03:05:05,560 --> 03:05:07,840
Speaker 11: And and and put out media and put it like

3159
03:05:07,879 --> 03:05:11,240
Speaker 11: their own like animated series, which is funny because initially

3160
03:05:11,280 --> 03:05:13,640
Speaker 11: they just they weren't even gonna bother with like the

3161
03:05:13,680 --> 03:05:16,600
Speaker 11: intellectual property, which is really funny because you know, a

3162
03:05:16,600 --> 03:05:19,040
Speaker 11: big part of of this this NFT stuff is like

3163
03:05:19,879 --> 03:05:23,920
Speaker 11: you own the IP of each NFT character, right, And

3164
03:05:24,360 --> 03:05:26,959
Speaker 11: as they as this kind of project progressed, they slowly

3165
03:05:26,959 --> 03:05:29,560
Speaker 11: started to realize that what they've done was probably just

3166
03:05:29,600 --> 03:05:34,560
Speaker 11: commit massive fraud, and they completely collapsed. Like this Dune

3167
03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:37,760
Speaker 11: like NFT DOW project was being was being boosted by

3168
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:40,720
Speaker 11: a lot of like very mainstream publications. It was it

3169
03:05:40,760 --> 03:05:43,280
Speaker 11: was extremely hyped up, which can lead people to like

3170
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:46,800
Speaker 11: assume this is like a legitimate, like entertainment project that

3171
03:05:46,840 --> 03:05:50,920
Speaker 11: you could like participate in by buying this small little piece.

3172
03:05:51,480 --> 03:05:54,000
Speaker 11: Last year, very very clearly kind of fell apart. Yes,

3173
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:57,439
Speaker 11: was kind of pre predestined.

3174
03:05:58,280 --> 03:06:01,760
Speaker 3: And what's really sad about this is we can laugh

3175
03:06:01,800 --> 03:06:03,920
Speaker 3: at these people. I'll get to this in a bit

3176
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:06,920
Speaker 3: and laugh at these people. We should, It's very funny.

3177
03:06:06,959 --> 03:06:11,080
Speaker 3: But at the same time, a lot of people got

3178
03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:15,440
Speaker 3: screwed here because they trusted in people like Alexis Ohanian,

3179
03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:19,080
Speaker 3: founder of Red unscathed despite the horrifying things that Reddit

3180
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:23,160
Speaker 3: has done. Alex Ohenian insanely rich, married to a tennis star,

3181
03:06:23,959 --> 03:06:28,600
Speaker 3: God bless him. Oh they're happy. But nevertheless, Alexis has

3182
03:06:28,720 --> 03:06:32,240
Speaker 3: managed to fairly easily escape all blame for the fact

3183
03:06:32,280 --> 03:06:35,920
Speaker 3: that he misled everyone with this and other things. But

3184
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:40,840
Speaker 3: this in particular because the dream of doodles. God that

3185
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:44,279
Speaker 3: sucks to say out loud, by the way, the dream

3186
03:06:44,360 --> 03:06:46,520
Speaker 3: of doodles was that you would buying one of these

3187
03:06:46,520 --> 03:06:48,440
Speaker 3: ten thousand things, and that you'd be part of a

3188
03:06:48,480 --> 03:06:51,480
Speaker 3: community and you'd be able to steer the doodle's movement.

3189
03:06:52,120 --> 03:06:56,359
Speaker 11: The doodles community is christ I know, the doodles revolution

3190
03:06:56,520 --> 03:06:58,000
Speaker 11: I think is more more accurate.

3191
03:06:59,360 --> 03:07:02,160
Speaker 7: And the doodles no, that's not term no, no, no,

3192
03:07:02,200 --> 03:07:02,600
Speaker 7: I like that.

3193
03:07:02,760 --> 03:07:04,400
Speaker 2: I like that this.

3194
03:07:06,280 --> 03:07:08,279
Speaker 3: Dood least as doodlers. They're all the doodoos.

3195
03:07:09,080 --> 03:07:10,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you would be.

3196
03:07:10,120 --> 03:07:12,280
Speaker 3: Investing in the future VIP, you'd have part of this

3197
03:07:12,400 --> 03:07:14,840
Speaker 3: and you'd be you know what, put aside the money,

3198
03:07:14,840 --> 03:07:18,040
Speaker 3: put aside all the cash, because they're not doing speculation anymore.

3199
03:07:18,120 --> 03:07:21,000
Speaker 3: It's not about that. Let's just focus on the community,

3200
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:26,800
Speaker 3: which is dying, which is completely dead, I would argue.

3201
03:07:26,959 --> 03:07:31,519
Speaker 3: So fairly recently, Doodles had to remove the fifty quorum,

3202
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:34,480
Speaker 3: which would require fifty percent of NFT holders to interact

3203
03:07:34,480 --> 03:07:37,119
Speaker 3: with the project to push a vote through. They had

3204
03:07:37,160 --> 03:07:40,040
Speaker 3: to remove that in say why they had to remove it,

3205
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:44,879
Speaker 3: and I guess because nobody gives a shit, because nobody cares,

3206
03:07:45,160 --> 03:07:48,480
Speaker 3: nobody gives a rap fuck about any of this, and

3207
03:07:48,520 --> 03:07:52,119
Speaker 3: then voted to appoint a founding Community Council to make

3208
03:07:52,160 --> 03:07:55,800
Speaker 3: decisions about where the doodle bank, oh my god, Jesus

3209
03:07:55,920 --> 03:07:59,879
Speaker 3: christis would be would be spent in the future. So

3210
03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:03,320
Speaker 3: the doodle bank was where some of the revenues went

3211
03:08:03,800 --> 03:08:06,800
Speaker 3: from the secondary sales of these NFTs, because the companies

3212
03:08:06,840 --> 03:08:11,200
Speaker 3: always take a cart because let's seeking baby anyway. So

3213
03:08:11,320 --> 03:08:13,640
Speaker 3: if you were interested in the community aspect of Doodles,

3214
03:08:13,640 --> 03:08:15,760
Speaker 3: you're kind of shit out luck because they've now entirely

3215
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:19,240
Speaker 3: deleted their Visions and Guidelines document, which is the part

3216
03:08:19,320 --> 03:08:21,480
Speaker 3: of the website that tells you how any of the

3217
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:26,760
Speaker 3: community shit works, and they nothing is happening right now

3218
03:08:26,800 --> 03:08:30,480
Speaker 3: with them. There's nothing going on. This is the ninth

3219
03:08:30,520 --> 03:08:34,440
Speaker 3: most popular NFT project, and they have attempted to and

3220
03:08:34,840 --> 03:08:39,840
Speaker 3: indeed succeeded in removing their association with NFTs. Now one

3221
03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:43,240
Speaker 3: would think, okay, maybe they have a discord. Of course

3222
03:08:43,240 --> 03:08:46,920
Speaker 3: they did find it eighty five thousand members, oh wow,

3223
03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:52,320
Speaker 3: except it felt more empty than my discord, which has

3224
03:08:52,360 --> 03:08:56,320
Speaker 3: six hundred people in it eight seven hundred and sixty

3225
03:08:56,360 --> 03:09:00,480
Speaker 3: members as of when I opened it last. And the

3226
03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:03,800
Speaker 3: newest stands section did not have a post in it

3227
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:07,480
Speaker 3: since August thirtieth, which was announcing that the Doodle's Crops

3228
03:09:07,520 --> 03:09:10,480
Speaker 3: collaboration had sold out, terrible news to the least buckable

3229
03:09:10,480 --> 03:09:14,560
Speaker 3: people alive, and their other official channels really hadn't been

3230
03:09:14,600 --> 03:09:17,520
Speaker 3: updated since mayor August. The General Hall channel, which is

3231
03:09:17,560 --> 03:09:21,440
Speaker 3: where everyone was talking, was mostly just bots and people's

3232
03:09:21,520 --> 03:09:28,359
Speaker 3: saying the words Dude's rule, that's dods rule. No real communication.

3233
03:09:28,440 --> 03:09:31,840
Speaker 3: It felt like several chat bots kind of what you know,

3234
03:09:31,879 --> 03:09:35,720
Speaker 3: how you see Oblivion or Skyrim MPC's walk up to

3235
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:39,480
Speaker 3: the other Yeah, kand greetings to you. Imagine that with

3236
03:09:39,640 --> 03:09:43,840
Speaker 3: NFT's eighty five thousand bloody people. I even tried to

3237
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say antagonize them, but I did

3238
03:09:47,400 --> 03:09:50,520
Speaker 3: ask them, are you happy with your investment? No responses.

3239
03:09:52,040 --> 03:09:54,680
Speaker 3: I was like, how'd you feel about? No response? Someone

3240
03:09:54,720 --> 03:10:00,840
Speaker 3: responded with Dude's rule once and it's insane because you

3241
03:10:00,879 --> 03:10:03,520
Speaker 3: won't believe this. The valuation of this company in their

3242
03:10:03,560 --> 03:10:06,199
Speaker 3: fifty four million dollar funding round was seven hundred million

3243
03:10:06,200 --> 03:10:10,240
Speaker 3: goddann dollars, and their chatroom as the charm and vibrance

3244
03:10:10,280 --> 03:10:12,959
Speaker 3: of a dying more. This is meant to be the

3245
03:10:13,000 --> 03:10:16,040
Speaker 3: next generation of Disney, and yet it has no fans.

3246
03:10:16,400 --> 03:10:18,480
Speaker 7: There are people who will shoot.

3247
03:10:18,200 --> 03:10:22,240
Speaker 3: You to death for insulting Spider Man. There are people

3248
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,920
Speaker 3: who will scream at you for not liking the latest

3249
03:10:24,959 --> 03:10:29,040
Speaker 3: Star Wars thing. These are superfans. Yeah, there are people

3250
03:10:29,080 --> 03:10:31,760
Speaker 3: who will do that with obscure video games you've never

3251
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:36,119
Speaker 3: heard of. But for Doodles, this barly billion dollar enterprise,

3252
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:39,400
Speaker 3: the future of Disney. Not one of these people cared

3253
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:44,440
Speaker 3: anything about this. All it was there's like, there are

3254
03:10:44,440 --> 03:10:48,119
Speaker 3: no superfans no loyalists, no evangelist, nobody excited, no one

3255
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:51,200
Speaker 3: even expressing an emotion. Just a bunch of freaks who

3256
03:10:51,280 --> 03:10:55,360
Speaker 3: got con saying GM every two minutes or hours. Actually,

3257
03:10:56,040 --> 03:11:00,440
Speaker 3: it was so strange because I've been in chatrooms since

3258
03:11:00,440 --> 03:11:03,720
Speaker 3: it was like eleven. I've seen varying levels of chat

3259
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:07,119
Speaker 3: rooms in various games. Even the smallest community was kind

3260
03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:09,959
Speaker 3: of hopping at some point. This then had no life.

3261
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:13,320
Speaker 7: It was so strange. It's just like a digital ghost town.

3262
03:11:14,959 --> 03:11:19,200
Speaker 3: And the reality is what I said earlier. There's ten

3263
03:11:19,280 --> 03:11:24,400
Speaker 3: thousand of these goddamn things, these featureless, procedurally generated things.

3264
03:11:25,280 --> 03:11:28,480
Speaker 3: There's nothing to them. These NFT companies, these ones that

3265
03:11:28,520 --> 03:11:33,640
Speaker 3: allegedly want to replace Disney, they're incapable or unwilling to

3266
03:11:33,720 --> 03:11:40,000
Speaker 3: do anything approximating world building or law development. Lore Doodles,

3267
03:11:40,040 --> 03:11:44,080
Speaker 3: which is worth seven hundred million goddamn dollars, which got

3268
03:11:44,120 --> 03:11:48,920
Speaker 3: fifty four million dollars, has three characters that I can find.

3269
03:11:49,360 --> 03:11:52,440
Speaker 3: There's hap Is cap Mellow, and there was another one

3270
03:11:52,440 --> 03:11:55,480
Speaker 3: which I could not find a name for. There is

3271
03:11:56,160 --> 03:11:59,760
Speaker 3: maybe ten minutes of footage in the years that this

3272
03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:03,720
Speaker 3: thing is meant to exist. It's just so bizarre. It's

3273
03:12:03,760 --> 03:12:08,440
Speaker 3: so utterly craven and half fast. It's people attack Disney

3274
03:12:08,680 --> 03:12:11,760
Speaker 3: and Marvel through Disney obviously in Star Wars that oh

3275
03:12:11,800 --> 03:12:14,160
Speaker 3: they're just ah, they're pushing this crap out, They're just

3276
03:12:14,440 --> 03:12:16,680
Speaker 3: churning this shit out and saying people are buy anything.

3277
03:12:17,320 --> 03:12:24,360
Speaker 3: In comparison, Disney are steadfast or teurs. They are creative

3278
03:12:24,560 --> 03:12:29,879
Speaker 3: agents like likened to Salvador Dally. They are the compared

3279
03:12:29,879 --> 03:12:36,040
Speaker 3: to the NFT people, they're gods. Because even Disney's least

3280
03:12:36,040 --> 03:12:39,280
Speaker 3: likable properties get more attention and have bigger fans than this.

3281
03:12:39,360 --> 03:12:41,720
Speaker 3: There are Disney adults who would like crying and falling

3282
03:12:41,720 --> 03:12:44,240
Speaker 3: on their knees when the lockdowns ended. Oh yeah, now

3283
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:47,240
Speaker 3: these people would care. Now these people of Jordan, Poopy

3284
03:12:47,280 --> 03:12:50,920
Speaker 3: Castro died tomorrow, nobody would shed a tear or even remember, apparently,

3285
03:12:52,640 --> 03:12:56,480
Speaker 3: And it's just I think the way to look at this,

3286
03:12:56,520 --> 03:12:58,800
Speaker 3: and especially Doodles, is that there is just within the

3287
03:12:58,920 --> 03:13:01,560
Speaker 3: NFT world and actually within the tech industry, writt large

3288
03:13:01,640 --> 03:13:06,480
Speaker 3: just this deep deep seated loathing for creativity, storytelling and

3289
03:13:06,520 --> 03:13:11,119
Speaker 3: the customer Pendleton Ward who made the original avengue time

3290
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:14,440
Speaker 3: don't if you remember, which is very clearly where Doodles

3291
03:13:14,480 --> 03:13:17,120
Speaker 3: is ripped off from Just compare them. They look very similar.

3292
03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:19,760
Speaker 3: He made it over a decade ago. It's a five

3293
03:13:19,760 --> 03:13:21,840
Speaker 3: minute long video. He made it on his own, without funding,

3294
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:24,680
Speaker 3: without anything, and it's beautiful and it's weird and it's great,

3295
03:13:24,680 --> 03:13:27,680
Speaker 3: and you're like, Wow, I'm so glad this guy did this. Doodles,

3296
03:13:27,720 --> 03:13:30,880
Speaker 3: which has tens of millions of dollars sitting around, has

3297
03:13:30,920 --> 03:13:35,280
Speaker 3: put out seven goddamn minutes of teasers and advertisements for

3298
03:13:35,320 --> 03:13:36,920
Speaker 3: brand collaborations. That's it.

3299
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:38,200
Speaker 7: That's all.

3300
03:13:38,800 --> 03:13:42,560
Speaker 3: Something about Pharrell, something about Crocs, something about allegedly Doodles

3301
03:13:42,879 --> 03:13:46,240
Speaker 3: having a cartoon. I don't goddamn know, but my theory

3302
03:13:46,520 --> 03:13:49,320
Speaker 3: is that none of this was ever about creating anything.

3303
03:13:49,920 --> 03:13:52,160
Speaker 3: This was an attempt to go back to what you

3304
03:13:52,200 --> 03:13:55,160
Speaker 3: were saying earlier, to recreate that sense that I just

3305
03:13:55,200 --> 03:13:57,119
Speaker 3: bought the Star Wars toy that will be worth three

3306
03:13:57,160 --> 03:13:58,480
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and ten years.

3307
03:13:58,640 --> 03:13:59,280
Speaker 2: That's all.

3308
03:13:59,320 --> 03:14:03,240
Speaker 11: This works well, and I'm pretty sure they're well on

3309
03:14:03,280 --> 03:14:05,640
Speaker 11: their way, because I'm looking at the Doodle site right now.

3310
03:14:05,959 --> 03:14:10,000
Speaker 11: You can buy a rug featuring my favorite Doodles character

3311
03:14:10,120 --> 03:14:11,720
Speaker 11: hap for one hundred dollars.

3312
03:14:12,080 --> 03:14:15,200
Speaker 3: So are you serious that these not the focus is

3313
03:14:15,240 --> 03:14:15,920
Speaker 3: selling a rug.

3314
03:14:16,400 --> 03:14:21,680
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, the crops are sold out. Unfortunately, I know,

3315
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:23,920
Speaker 11: I know you were really wanted to get those.

3316
03:14:24,040 --> 03:14:26,160
Speaker 7: They're sold out. They were one hundred and twenty bucks.

3317
03:14:26,680 --> 03:14:30,160
Speaker 11: They're selling. They're selling little Vinyl toys for one hundred

3318
03:14:30,160 --> 03:14:34,680
Speaker 11: and eighty five dollars. They have a cat mush, they

3319
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:37,960
Speaker 11: have a cat plush for forty bucks, they have a

3320
03:14:38,040 --> 03:14:41,480
Speaker 11: puzzle for twenty two dollars, and they finally have the

3321
03:14:41,560 --> 03:14:42,600
Speaker 11: before mentioned rug.

3322
03:14:43,600 --> 03:14:47,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's just wonderful.

3323
03:14:47,920 --> 03:14:49,840
Speaker 11: It seems like a good investment. These things are selling

3324
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:52,640
Speaker 11: out fast. You want to, you gotta, you gotta get in.

3325
03:14:52,959 --> 03:14:54,720
Speaker 11: Your character is gonna be the next one?

3326
03:14:55,000 --> 03:14:55,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

3327
03:14:56,160 --> 03:15:00,640
Speaker 3: But I think that the ultimate thing is none of

3328
03:15:00,640 --> 03:15:03,440
Speaker 3: this was about creating anything that really is it. It

3329
03:15:03,560 --> 03:15:07,440
Speaker 3: was creating just enough to sell securities, the suckers, and

3330
03:15:07,480 --> 03:15:10,560
Speaker 3: now all of it is falling apart. The SEC just

3331
03:15:10,680 --> 03:15:16,800
Speaker 3: sued a group of celebrities for an NFT cat cartoon

3332
03:15:16,959 --> 03:15:18,440
Speaker 3: called Stoner Cats.

3333
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I was really excited about Stoner Cat.

3334
03:15:21,320 --> 03:15:25,440
Speaker 3: I was really pumped up for seeing Stoner Cats. But

3335
03:15:25,640 --> 03:15:31,840
Speaker 3: sadly the SEC changed the creator for unregistered offering of NFTs,

3336
03:15:31,920 --> 03:15:36,320
Speaker 3: which are securities, and they raised eight million dollars. It's

3337
03:15:36,520 --> 03:15:40,080
Speaker 3: just very sad, very funny by the way that the

3338
03:15:40,120 --> 03:15:42,480
Speaker 3: SEC now was to get in like Garyginsters, to look

3339
03:15:42,520 --> 03:15:45,400
Speaker 3: at stoner cats and say all right, let's let's take

3340
03:15:45,440 --> 03:15:49,440
Speaker 3: a look at this, or that's not good. How a

3341
03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:53,360
Speaker 3: test is going to have fun with this? But I

3342
03:15:53,400 --> 03:15:58,119
Speaker 3: think NFTs were and are probably one of the more

3343
03:15:58,200 --> 03:16:02,040
Speaker 3: nihilistic parts of the tech industry. Yeah, because they did

3344
03:16:02,080 --> 03:16:06,440
Speaker 3: the bare minimum to convince people. They made up all

3345
03:16:06,480 --> 03:16:08,360
Speaker 3: of It's kind of like that episode of The Simpsons

3346
03:16:08,400 --> 03:16:10,960
Speaker 3: where they remake Flanders's house and it's just a facier

3347
03:16:11,240 --> 03:16:16,920
Speaker 3: and it effectively falls poster. Yeah, yes, exactly, and it's

3348
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:19,920
Speaker 3: just enough to make people believe this could be worth enough,

3349
03:16:20,160 --> 03:16:23,879
Speaker 3: because it's never really obvious what actually makes something worth something.

3350
03:16:24,280 --> 03:16:27,879
Speaker 3: In the collectible's market, there are established artists whom I

3351
03:16:27,959 --> 03:16:30,760
Speaker 3: personally own a bunch of original comic artwork, a lot

3352
03:16:30,760 --> 03:16:33,520
Speaker 3: of it by Arthur Adams, and that market is fairly

3353
03:16:33,560 --> 03:16:35,560
Speaker 3: small because there's only so much one man can do,

3354
03:16:35,959 --> 03:16:38,000
Speaker 3: and the value comes from what people are willing to pay.

3355
03:16:38,920 --> 03:16:41,600
Speaker 3: But in that case, it's beautiful pencils and inks and

3356
03:16:42,040 --> 03:16:44,480
Speaker 3: it's gorgeously you want on your wall. In this case,

3357
03:16:44,520 --> 03:16:47,720
Speaker 3: it's I'm buying something that sounds like it might be valuable.

3358
03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:51,200
Speaker 3: There's not really a fundamental community that sounds fine, but

3359
03:16:51,240 --> 03:16:54,720
Speaker 3: when you push past even the first layer, it all

3360
03:16:54,760 --> 03:16:58,400
Speaker 3: falls apart. And that's because, in my opinion, the NFT

3361
03:16:58,600 --> 03:17:01,120
Speaker 3: hype was just a long come on customers in the media.

3362
03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:05,720
Speaker 3: It's a scam, a scam where companies built the appearance

3363
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:09,400
Speaker 3: of value without but actually generating anything. There's nothing to

3364
03:17:09,480 --> 03:17:12,800
Speaker 3: old some vinyl figures. Who cares. Nobody's done. The boord

3365
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:16,680
Speaker 3: Ape Yacht Club has the world's shittiest cartoon. They did

3366
03:17:16,720 --> 03:17:19,000
Speaker 3: a flash game called Dookie Dash.

3367
03:17:19,160 --> 03:17:21,480
Speaker 7: Yes I did, I did see Dookie Dash.

3368
03:17:22,520 --> 03:17:23,520
Speaker 3: What was great was.

3369
03:17:23,920 --> 03:17:25,200
Speaker 7: Game of the Year twenty twenty two.

3370
03:17:25,440 --> 03:17:29,480
Speaker 3: Game of the Year twenty twenty two. Immediately, by the way, scammed,

3371
03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:32,240
Speaker 3: just immediately someone broke it and they had to like

3372
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:35,560
Speaker 3: they were like, what, how did this happen? But that's

3373
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:37,840
Speaker 3: the thing, you go, Labs worth a couple billion dollars,

3374
03:17:38,400 --> 03:17:41,600
Speaker 3: Doodle's worth seven hundred million, nothing to them, not a

3375
03:17:41,640 --> 03:17:47,160
Speaker 3: single interesting idea in any of them. But they existed

3376
03:17:47,280 --> 03:17:52,840
Speaker 3: to con people into believing this completely thin view it

3377
03:17:53,000 --> 03:17:56,400
Speaker 3: and also the nihilistic part is it was talking about

3378
03:17:56,400 --> 03:18:03,400
Speaker 3: people collecting art and collecting creative things without actually ever

3379
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:08,120
Speaker 3: seeing the value in the object. The objects creativity was

3380
03:18:08,120 --> 03:18:11,280
Speaker 3: only as valuable as it was sellable, but not even

3381
03:18:11,320 --> 03:18:14,440
Speaker 3: sellable to an enterprise. It was just like to another

3382
03:18:14,560 --> 03:18:16,840
Speaker 3: person who could continue the chain of shit.

3383
03:18:17,879 --> 03:18:21,000
Speaker 11: I think there is a large untapped market for this though,

3384
03:18:21,440 --> 03:18:25,080
Speaker 11: that Doodles is actually trying to exploit, because I just

3385
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:27,880
Speaker 11: found probably one of the most upsetic things I've discovered today,

3386
03:18:27,920 --> 03:18:29,600
Speaker 11: which is saying something because I've seen a lot of

3387
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:33,160
Speaker 11: a lot of best stuff today, today's footage, a lot

3388
03:18:33,200 --> 03:18:37,920
Speaker 11: of workime footage is But there is a Doodle's immersive

3389
03:18:37,959 --> 03:18:43,560
Speaker 11: experience in Chicago for children. Oh No, children create their

3390
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:47,480
Speaker 11: own Doodles and you can pay twenty eight dollars per

3391
03:18:47,560 --> 03:18:51,840
Speaker 11: person to spend an hour in this Doodles themed art

3392
03:18:51,879 --> 03:18:55,560
Speaker 11: installation in Chicago. I'm looking at I'm looking at the

3393
03:18:55,600 --> 03:18:57,360
Speaker 11: availability there is.

3394
03:18:57,680 --> 03:18:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, looks like we can book one for the team.

3395
03:18:59,520 --> 03:19:01,680
Speaker 7: There is ten slots open each day.

3396
03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:04,680
Speaker 11: All the slots are open tomorrow, so I think we

3397
03:19:04,680 --> 03:19:06,360
Speaker 11: should get a flight like tonight.

3398
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I want to book this asap.

3399
03:19:10,400 --> 03:19:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna sound I'm gonna send you this like

3400
03:19:14,120 --> 03:19:16,440
Speaker 3: because it's the most one of the more disturbing things

3401
03:19:16,480 --> 03:19:20,119
Speaker 3: I've found. I don't want to go to the Doodles camp.

3402
03:19:20,040 --> 03:19:24,960
Speaker 15: Every It's twenty twenty eight dollars per kid for one

3403
03:19:25,120 --> 03:19:30,360
Speaker 15: hour of walking in this one Doodles themed room where

3404
03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:33,640
Speaker 15: first your kid creates a Doodle's character so you can

3405
03:19:33,800 --> 03:19:34,840
Speaker 15: enter doodle World.

3406
03:19:35,360 --> 03:19:38,520
Speaker 11: You go through a rainbow portal, you slide down rainbows,

3407
03:19:38,560 --> 03:19:42,600
Speaker 11: play in puffy clouds, and crash a spaceship, and then

3408
03:19:42,640 --> 03:19:45,280
Speaker 11: you romp through a limpsical world until your hours up,

3409
03:19:45,280 --> 03:19:48,000
Speaker 11: and then you leave after spetting twenty eight dollars per child.

3410
03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:54,360
Speaker 1: It's like if a committee designed fucking U Meal wolf right. Yeah, yeah,

3411
03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:57,720
Speaker 1: it's it's a committee of people on thorazine.

3412
03:19:58,360 --> 03:20:00,800
Speaker 3: But if you watch this video, is well of this

3413
03:20:00,879 --> 03:20:07,600
Speaker 3: Doodle's world. Here's the thing. You don't see anything of anything,

3414
03:20:07,720 --> 03:20:11,400
Speaker 3: there's none. There's a picture of the guy who I've

3415
03:20:11,440 --> 03:20:13,440
Speaker 3: already forgotten the name of Hop.

3416
03:20:13,600 --> 03:20:15,040
Speaker 7: I can't believe forgot Hop's name.

3417
03:20:15,440 --> 03:20:16,640
Speaker 3: I can't believe I've forgot Hop.

3418
03:20:16,879 --> 03:20:20,160
Speaker 11: But one and eighty five dollars to get a figure

3419
03:20:20,240 --> 03:20:21,519
Speaker 11: you have to remember.

3420
03:20:22,320 --> 03:20:25,760
Speaker 3: God damn it. And but that's that's the thing. This

3421
03:20:25,920 --> 03:20:33,600
Speaker 3: is just it's a masterpiece of emptiness. It is a

3422
03:20:33,640 --> 03:20:37,480
Speaker 3: meaningless thing. There is nothing to doodles, no.

3423
03:20:38,360 --> 03:20:41,040
Speaker 7: It's it's it's vapid, there's nothing to any of it.

3424
03:20:41,840 --> 03:20:46,000
Speaker 3: And NFT investors was sold this dream of kind of

3425
03:20:46,040 --> 03:20:49,560
Speaker 3: an access to wealth or for both sides that like, oh,

3426
03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:52,480
Speaker 3: the artist will make money because every NFT sale you

3427
03:20:52,560 --> 03:20:56,200
Speaker 3: get some royalty, some residuals, which theoretically is a cool

3428
03:20:56,240 --> 03:20:58,680
Speaker 3: thing that when an artist has a piece sold on

3429
03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:03,000
Speaker 3: someone else. I like that idea I always have. And

3430
03:21:03,640 --> 03:21:07,680
Speaker 3: in turn, by buying into this quote unquote art, you

3431
03:21:07,720 --> 03:21:11,000
Speaker 3: can generate your own wealth and you can be part

3432
03:21:11,040 --> 03:21:15,600
Speaker 3: of this positive chain where everyone wins. But you're also

3433
03:21:15,800 --> 03:21:19,280
Speaker 3: early so you get to feel smart. Except the problem

3434
03:21:19,360 --> 03:21:21,600
Speaker 3: is that you're more than likely left with a worthless

3435
03:21:21,640 --> 03:21:29,280
Speaker 3: piece of shit. You're left with nothing. So fundamentally there

3436
03:21:29,320 --> 03:21:31,640
Speaker 3: will be and I don't believe more than a couple

3437
03:21:31,720 --> 03:21:36,439
Speaker 3: thousand people made any money on NFTs. Now, the majority

3438
03:21:36,480 --> 03:21:38,200
Speaker 3: of the people who bought NFTs are going to be

3439
03:21:38,280 --> 03:21:41,240
Speaker 3: left in the red, and every new entrant is just

3440
03:21:41,320 --> 03:21:45,080
Speaker 3: another sucker to hopefully dump an investment onto. Because there

3441
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:48,360
Speaker 3: are no NFTs that have a fundamental value. There's not one.

3442
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:52,440
Speaker 3: It's not like No, it's that Disney, Marvel, none of

3443
03:21:52,480 --> 03:21:54,640
Speaker 3: these major things. Notice that none of them got involved.

3444
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:56,800
Speaker 3: They didn't want to fucking touch as DC did a

3445
03:21:56,920 --> 03:21:59,080
Speaker 3: vague idea of buying comic covers, but even then it

3446
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:02,959
Speaker 3: was half us because why why would you do it.

3447
03:22:03,640 --> 03:22:06,680
Speaker 3: I've been saying this since twenty twenty one, that these

3448
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:09,360
Speaker 3: things had no value, that it was just an attempt

3449
03:22:09,360 --> 03:22:12,880
Speaker 3: to sell people this vague sense of participation in a

3450
03:22:13,000 --> 03:22:15,880
Speaker 3: new economy. And in fact, there was a study that

3451
03:22:15,959 --> 03:22:19,680
Speaker 3: came out an analysis of seventy three two hundred and

3452
03:22:19,720 --> 03:22:24,640
Speaker 3: fifty seven NFT collections. Ninety five percent of NFTs on

3453
03:22:24,680 --> 03:22:28,760
Speaker 3: the market are now totally worthless. The value of these

3454
03:22:28,800 --> 03:22:33,879
Speaker 3: collections is zero ethereum. Almost every single person encouraged to

3455
03:22:33,920 --> 03:22:38,160
Speaker 3: invest them by The New York Times, by CNBC is

3456
03:22:38,200 --> 03:22:41,359
Speaker 3: a victim of a massive legal fraud peddled by Internet

3457
03:22:41,440 --> 03:22:45,320
Speaker 3: charlatans like Alexishenian. I'm not saying he's one of them,

3458
03:22:45,320 --> 03:22:47,760
Speaker 3: but there are people within the NFT industry who also

3459
03:22:48,120 --> 03:22:51,360
Speaker 3: washtrade these things, which means that they effectively sell them

3460
03:22:51,360 --> 03:22:58,640
Speaker 3: to themselves. And there's actually increasingly impressive research that suggests

3461
03:22:58,680 --> 03:23:02,040
Speaker 3: that most NFT set were just washtrading, just people pumping

3462
03:23:02,040 --> 03:23:05,840
Speaker 3: and pumping and pumping. That's why justin Bieber's ape that

3463
03:23:05,959 --> 03:23:07,960
Speaker 3: he blet for one point three million dollars is worth

3464
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:11,920
Speaker 3: about sixty grand. Now he'll be fine, but other people won't.

3465
03:23:12,240 --> 03:23:15,680
Speaker 3: And that's what's really anger inducing. That's what fills my

3466
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:18,720
Speaker 3: veins full of poison. And if these were never worth anything,

3467
03:23:18,840 --> 03:23:20,680
Speaker 3: and the majority of the industry is made up of

3468
03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:25,400
Speaker 3: fake goddamn transactions, and the people who will suffer on

3469
03:23:25,480 --> 03:23:28,600
Speaker 3: the majority, and the majority are not rich, the majority

3470
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:33,320
Speaker 3: are not anything other than desperate people who were manipulated.

3471
03:23:33,840 --> 03:23:36,959
Speaker 1: It's like with fucking the FTX collapse, which is funny

3472
03:23:36,959 --> 03:23:39,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but also one of the

3473
03:23:39,160 --> 03:23:42,959
Speaker 1: big bag holders wound up being like a teacher's pension fund.

3474
03:23:44,040 --> 03:23:47,320
Speaker 1: Like that was massive, and obviously I think that like

3475
03:23:47,360 --> 03:23:50,400
Speaker 1: an addition to going after sam people, regulators should be

3476
03:23:50,400 --> 03:23:52,640
Speaker 1: looking at who the fuck made the call to put

3477
03:23:52,680 --> 03:23:57,879
Speaker 1: people's pension money in fucking brain genius kids gambling din

3478
03:23:58,080 --> 03:24:02,120
Speaker 1: But it is like there is like real harmed it

3479
03:24:02,160 --> 03:24:04,280
Speaker 1: and that was like always the plan. Everyone who was

3480
03:24:04,320 --> 03:24:10,360
Speaker 1: involved in pushing this is was trying to, Like the

3481
03:24:10,400 --> 03:24:13,960
Speaker 1: whole game plan was create this critical mass of hype

3482
03:24:14,520 --> 03:24:21,039
Speaker 1: that broke people's ability to actually analyze what they were doing.

3483
03:24:21,160 --> 03:24:23,880
Speaker 1: That just kind of made them panic and throw money

3484
03:24:23,920 --> 03:24:25,720
Speaker 1: in because they felt like otherwise they were going to

3485
03:24:25,800 --> 03:24:28,760
Speaker 1: miss out on their chance to retire, right That was

3486
03:24:28,800 --> 03:24:31,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and that's why, like the entire social

3487
03:24:31,800 --> 03:24:35,360
Speaker 1: media hype around this was all based on you're going

3488
03:24:35,440 --> 03:24:37,640
Speaker 1: to stay poor forever if you don't get in on

3489
03:24:37,680 --> 03:24:43,280
Speaker 1: this right now, Like it's so disgusting, and yeah, just evil,

3490
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:44,320
Speaker 1: evil people.

3491
03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:46,720
Speaker 3: And they were never a great investment. They were never

3492
03:24:46,760 --> 03:24:49,240
Speaker 3: in the future of IP. They're just a vehicle to

3493
03:24:49,280 --> 03:24:53,280
Speaker 3: extract capital from retail investors, from regular people who to

3494
03:24:53,320 --> 03:24:55,959
Speaker 3: your point earlier, who didn't invest in Apple earlier, oh

3495
03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:58,520
Speaker 3: Google early, they didn't get the chance, they didn't buy

3496
03:24:58,560 --> 03:25:00,680
Speaker 3: the Star Wars toy. So this was their chance to

3497
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:04,800
Speaker 3: get ahead. And if these are just an exploitative scam,

3498
03:25:05,160 --> 03:25:07,800
Speaker 3: they create just enough it's a true scam as well.

3499
03:25:07,840 --> 03:25:10,080
Speaker 3: They create just enough to get people in the door

3500
03:25:10,160 --> 03:25:13,959
Speaker 3: and just enough to make that investment defensible. They and

3501
03:25:13,959 --> 03:25:16,320
Speaker 3: it honestly shared a lot of the language of the

3502
03:25:16,400 --> 03:25:21,000
Speaker 3: Joe Oldsteins and conspiracy theorists and other teller evangelists telling

3503
03:25:21,000 --> 03:25:23,520
Speaker 3: people to your point that oh, you're not gonna make it,

3504
03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:26,440
Speaker 3: Oh have fun staying poor. What a noxious fucking thing

3505
03:25:26,480 --> 03:25:29,800
Speaker 3: to say, What a disgusting thing to say to someone.

3506
03:25:30,400 --> 03:25:34,080
Speaker 3: And what's funny is they use the other scam that

3507
03:25:34,200 --> 03:25:37,280
Speaker 3: some companies in the tech industry used FDx, for example,

3508
03:25:37,720 --> 03:25:41,680
Speaker 3: where they would raise rounds a venture capital which gave

3509
03:25:41,720 --> 03:25:44,480
Speaker 3: the appearance of a real enterprise where things were actually happening,

3510
03:25:44,680 --> 03:25:46,360
Speaker 3: and then they sold them this dream of oh, you

3511
03:25:46,360 --> 03:25:48,440
Speaker 3: could own a piece of this, despite the fact that

3512
03:25:48,480 --> 03:25:52,720
Speaker 3: not a single goddamn NFT actually granted stock options, voting rights,

3513
03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:55,160
Speaker 3: or anything else because if they did that, it would

3514
03:25:55,160 --> 03:25:59,440
Speaker 3: immediately become a security, so they'd never do that. You

3515
03:25:59,480 --> 03:26:03,840
Speaker 3: don't have consequential votes. You don't have any industry over

3516
03:26:03,879 --> 03:26:08,280
Speaker 3: this industry. You just have a thing that can be

3517
03:26:08,680 --> 03:26:11,959
Speaker 3: It may not be fungible, but the operating environment for

3518
03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:17,200
Speaker 3: it is absolutely fucking fungible. If doodles was truly not fungible,

3519
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:19,439
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be able to change the doodle's quorum.

3520
03:26:19,640 --> 03:26:20,400
Speaker 2: They would just have to.

3521
03:26:20,400 --> 03:26:24,320
Speaker 3: Sit there and do nothing. But what's also important to realize,

3522
03:26:24,440 --> 03:26:26,120
Speaker 3: and as I've said before, but I'll say it a

3523
03:26:26,160 --> 03:26:29,600
Speaker 3: goddamn again, is they really didn't try very hard. The

3524
03:26:29,640 --> 03:26:32,560
Speaker 3: board ape Yarch Club, which is the biggest one the

3525
03:26:32,640 --> 03:26:37,360
Speaker 3: ten thousand horrifying looking apes owned by a company called

3526
03:26:37,400 --> 03:26:40,200
Speaker 3: Yuga Labs. They were valued at four billion dollars in

3527
03:26:40,240 --> 03:26:44,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Despite the fact that they said they

3528
03:26:44,160 --> 03:26:47,360
Speaker 3: were going to go Hollywood, they've not actually created anything.

3529
03:26:47,440 --> 03:26:50,560
Speaker 3: They They said they were going to do a metaverse product.

3530
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:56,400
Speaker 3: They sold NFTs of this metaverse thing that they've never shown,

3531
03:26:56,440 --> 03:26:59,759
Speaker 3: called other Side. I believe. Yeah, it crashed.

3532
03:26:59,400 --> 03:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Ethereu, but they have not the video game where you

3533
03:27:02,760 --> 03:27:07,400
Speaker 1: travel through a toilet looking for poop, Dookie Dash.

3534
03:27:07,480 --> 03:27:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the new Disney everyone, This is it.

3535
03:27:11,320 --> 03:27:13,760
Speaker 3: This is the new Disney. It's the metaverse that will

3536
03:27:13,760 --> 03:27:18,119
Speaker 3: never get built. It's the cartoon about monkeys and toilets

3537
03:27:18,480 --> 03:27:23,480
Speaker 3: that actually advertise Dookie Dash. The rich, deep lore of

3538
03:27:23,680 --> 03:27:26,120
Speaker 3: the bored A Yacht Club, by the way, is that

3539
03:27:26,240 --> 03:27:28,840
Speaker 3: a monkey did a poo so bad that a key

3540
03:27:28,920 --> 03:27:31,360
Speaker 3: came out to another dimension. But then the monkey somehow

3541
03:27:31,400 --> 03:27:33,480
Speaker 3: put that key in a beer that the monkey drank,

3542
03:27:33,680 --> 03:27:35,959
Speaker 3: and then the monkey did another poo where it put

3543
03:27:35,959 --> 03:27:38,800
Speaker 3: it into the sewer pipes, thus making it necessary for

3544
03:27:38,920 --> 03:27:41,240
Speaker 3: you to pilot another monkey to go and get the key.

3545
03:27:42,200 --> 03:27:46,240
Speaker 3: Very fucking stupid, very bad, ugly, like the designs suck.

3546
03:27:46,480 --> 03:27:49,600
Speaker 3: That's the other thing. These aren't even good looking. And

3547
03:27:49,640 --> 03:27:50,840
Speaker 3: this is a company worth.

3548
03:27:50,720 --> 03:27:55,879
Speaker 16: Four billion dollars, four billion dollars, and all they've done

3549
03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:58,480
Speaker 16: is not make a metaverse, but make a lot of money,

3550
03:27:58,879 --> 03:28:02,160
Speaker 16: make a terrible he is looking of cartoons that may

3551
03:28:02,240 --> 03:28:06,080
Speaker 16: or may not go anywhere, and an Ebulum's World clone that.

3552
03:28:07,520 --> 03:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Got scammed almost immediately. Someone found a way to exploit

3553
03:28:11,040 --> 03:28:14,200
Speaker 3: it immediately because it's a flash game. These are not

3554
03:28:14,360 --> 03:28:19,440
Speaker 3: creative enterprises. These are not entertainment companies. They're shell corporations

3555
03:28:19,440 --> 03:28:23,200
Speaker 3: for ill godden revenues for secondary market sales of ten

3556
03:28:23,280 --> 03:28:26,959
Speaker 3: thousand bullshit pictures that were hyped up by the media

3557
03:28:27,000 --> 03:28:30,080
Speaker 3: who could not analyze it properly. They just saw the

3558
03:28:30,160 --> 03:28:33,080
Speaker 3: large amounts of money that were being made, the crooked ways,

3559
03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:35,640
Speaker 3: by the way, the ones which were clearly pumped everyone

3560
03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:37,800
Speaker 3: covered them. World of Woman. Do you remember that one

3561
03:28:38,040 --> 03:28:40,920
Speaker 3: World of Woman? The NFT That was my favorite one

3562
03:28:40,959 --> 03:28:43,280
Speaker 3: because there were so many guys in the crypto world

3563
03:28:43,320 --> 03:28:45,760
Speaker 3: who like Yeah, I bought a world of woman entity.

3564
03:28:45,920 --> 03:28:51,800
Speaker 3: I support woman. That's I love it. No, it's so good,

3565
03:28:52,360 --> 03:28:56,600
Speaker 3: And it's because all of it's exploitative. NFTs are vehicles

3566
03:28:56,680 --> 03:29:01,119
Speaker 3: to exploit people, particularly Americans, who so desperate and fairly

3567
03:29:01,200 --> 03:29:03,880
Speaker 3: questioning their place in the world that is continually turned

3568
03:29:03,959 --> 03:29:07,120
Speaker 3: upon providing basic social services and the ability for its

3569
03:29:07,160 --> 03:29:09,800
Speaker 3: citizens to thrive. There are a few honest ways for

3570
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:12,600
Speaker 3: the average person to accumulate wealth anymore. It's nearly impossible

3571
03:29:12,640 --> 03:29:16,400
Speaker 3: to buy a house. Returns on the market suck. Market's

3572
03:29:16,400 --> 03:29:19,840
Speaker 3: already confusing, And yeah, all of that's quickly outpaced by

3573
03:29:19,840 --> 03:29:22,520
Speaker 3: the fact that you have student loans, health insurance, and

3574
03:29:23,320 --> 03:29:27,959
Speaker 3: inflation is making things more expensive than ever. And I

3575
03:29:27,959 --> 03:29:30,200
Speaker 3: would argue that that is really the root of what's

3576
03:29:30,200 --> 03:29:31,320
Speaker 3: so evil about crypto.

3577
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:35,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's inherently exploitative.

3578
03:29:35,400 --> 03:29:39,280
Speaker 3: It is inherently linked in all of these ways to

3579
03:29:39,920 --> 03:29:43,400
Speaker 3: religious dogma that you're buying into something that you're finally

3580
03:29:43,440 --> 03:29:46,880
Speaker 3: part of, something meaningful, something that will grow, something that

3581
03:29:46,920 --> 03:29:51,599
Speaker 3: will make you whole in a way that your predecessors

3582
03:29:51,680 --> 03:29:55,280
Speaker 3: might have been just through living normally. This industry it

3583
03:29:55,320 --> 03:29:59,640
Speaker 3: took root because most people can't thrive. Everyone has to hustle.

3584
03:30:00,600 --> 03:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Everyone has to struggle. You can't do the things that

3585
03:30:05,440 --> 03:30:07,760
Speaker 3: people even twenty years ago could. You can't work a

3586
03:30:07,800 --> 03:30:12,680
Speaker 3: normal job and buy a house anymore. You can't get

3587
03:30:12,680 --> 03:30:15,720
Speaker 3: a mortgage. In many cases, you can't just go to

3588
03:30:15,800 --> 03:30:18,360
Speaker 3: college and probably pay those loans off in five years.

3589
03:30:18,440 --> 03:30:22,640
Speaker 3: God no, that shit's going to follow you decades and

3590
03:30:22,920 --> 03:30:27,320
Speaker 3: nobody's helping you. And then along comes these Along comes

3591
03:30:27,760 --> 03:30:33,039
Speaker 3: this very technological, cool sounding, non fungible token, this thing

3592
03:30:33,080 --> 03:30:35,640
Speaker 3: where oh, I could be part of this new art market.

3593
03:30:36,400 --> 03:30:38,080
Speaker 3: I can be the smart one for once. I could

3594
03:30:38,080 --> 03:30:40,080
Speaker 3: be ahead of everyone, and the people on the other

3595
03:30:40,120 --> 03:30:42,520
Speaker 3: side of that transaction are telling you everything you want

3596
03:30:42,520 --> 03:30:45,160
Speaker 3: to hear. Then the next Disney, then the next Marvel.

3597
03:30:45,320 --> 03:30:47,440
Speaker 3: You're gonna be part of something. You're gonna make it.

3598
03:30:48,400 --> 03:30:51,400
Speaker 3: That's what you'll do if you buy into this. All

3599
03:30:51,480 --> 03:30:54,480
Speaker 3: of those crypto people are totally fine, all of them,

3600
03:30:54,520 --> 03:31:01,760
Speaker 3: the Winklevosses like Sohanian Mack Andresen Christi, they're all doing great.

3601
03:31:01,800 --> 03:31:06,120
Speaker 3: They are multi millionaires several times over. The people on

3602
03:31:06,160 --> 03:31:09,160
Speaker 3: the other side are victims, victims of what I would

3603
03:31:09,320 --> 03:31:14,480
Speaker 3: argue any just society would decide was a financial crime.

3604
03:31:15,280 --> 03:31:19,120
Speaker 3: And I think that every single venture capitalist who put

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Speaker 3: money into these products and who pumped them should be

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Speaker 3: held accountable. They won't because that is the modern tech industry,

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Speaker 3: because that is the modern government. There is no justice

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Speaker 3: for the victims of NFTs. And it's really horrifying to watch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I know, sometimes it can be hard to be sympathetic

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Speaker 11: for these folks because we imagine them being like, you know,

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Speaker 11: freedra Reddit, you know, chriacters. But I think if you

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Speaker 11: have the capacity to feel sympathetic to like former cult members,

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Speaker 11: this is kind of the same thing. This is like,

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Speaker 11: this is it's really the same process and a big

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Speaker 11: part of actually beating cults is the ability to be

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Speaker 11: sympathetic to former cult members. That it's actually like a

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Speaker 11: crucial part of getting people to like get past this

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Speaker 11: sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's going to include not just the innocent,

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Speaker 1: but some people who did some pretty ugly things. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's and that's hard critical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I always try and push people to think

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Speaker 3: of that because it is very easy, to your point

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Speaker 3: to look at the fedoras, to look at the wag

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Speaker 3: me guys, we're going to make it people and say

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Speaker 3: these are the majority. I would argue most people, and

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Speaker 3: I'll say this haven't been in too many telegrams of

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03:32:36,360 --> 03:32:40,119
Speaker 3: too many rug pulled projects just watching the vast majority

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Speaker 3: of people are desperate. They just want their investment to turn.

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Speaker 3: They just want something because there really isn't much way

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Speaker 3: out for most people. There really isn't. Most people get lucky,

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Speaker 3: and that's how they live what used to be, what

3634
03:32:55,720 --> 03:32:58,200
Speaker 3: used to be just like the general purpose good life,

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Speaker 3: two point four children, house, white picket fans just doesn't

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Speaker 3: happen for anyone anymore. And you're left with this. In

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Speaker 3: a society where that happens, where there's so there are

3638
03:33:11,800 --> 03:33:17,279
Speaker 3: so few opportunities to thrive for people, you get things

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Speaker 3: like this, you get these massive cons and I think

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Speaker 3: that it will be hard for this to take root again.

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Speaker 3: I don't think cryptos unscrewing people. I think that they

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Speaker 3: will find a way to pump this in the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why you should buy our new cool

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Speaker 1: Zone coin, you know, for just the price of forty

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Speaker 1: recommending right now just kind of transferring your whole four

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Speaker 1: oh one k over into cool Zone coins, which which

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Speaker 1: you can do by just sending it to our mailing

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Speaker 1: your coins to you.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, no problem, I will personally take care.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Ed, thank you so much for putting this together. I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to kind of look at this sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff in retrospect, especially as the next con builds

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Speaker 1: up scheme. You know, interest rates will drop eventually and

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Speaker 1: then there will be another attempt to fleece large numbers

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Speaker 1: of people, possibly using Larry David, although he may have

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Speaker 1: learned this lesson this time. Ed, do you want to

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Speaker 1: give the people some some notes on where they can

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Speaker 1: find you if they want to read your stuff?

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Speaker 3: You can find letters your ed dot at that's my newsletter,

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Speaker 3: where's your red app? And you can find me on

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Speaker 3: Twitter or x the Everything app or rate. My newstop

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Speaker 1: Well, check ed out any of those places and check

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