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Speaker 3: Ahead, Sabrina, you tell about because I don't even know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. No, So this podcast takes you.

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Speaker 4: It's all about as you guys know that people want

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Speaker 4: what we're doing with this podcast. We're rewatching original Disney

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Speaker 5: Other finished that sentence. Are the movies good or the

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Speaker 4: Total range, total range like some are. I mean, we

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Speaker 6: All so good to see you, all, so good to go,

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Speaker 1: You know, not a whole lot's happened since we saw

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Speaker 2: It's been a real quick thirty years. So Phebee, I'm

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Speaker 1: What do you think that's about? Why? Because I talk

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Speaker 2: My best friend remembers fights I was in in high school, Like,

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 1: Why do some of us just not remember our lives.

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Speaker 6: My sister is like that, she remembers everything. And I

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Speaker 7: You know that person will store it all for you.

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Speaker 5: I think by the time you were on Step by Step,

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Speaker 6: And then one season of another Miller Boyette show that

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Speaker 6: But no, I wasn't uh no, I was really I

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Speaker 2: You were originally from Devon, Pennsylvania, and neither of your

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I was a big ham singing dancing

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Speaker 5: Make you walk with books on your head.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm serious.

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Speaker 6: It was to teach you how to be in little

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Speaker 6: Yeah, completely, Yeah. I had never done that kind of

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Speaker 5: I'm so curious about it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh he mellowed, they would say he mellowed later on.

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Speaker 7: Got the mellow Michael. I had the non mellow Michael.

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Speaker 5: That's a crazy statement I was waiting to hear like

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Speaker 6: So O, my no, he hadn't really had a hit yet,

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Speaker 7: So it was very, very intense.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I remember having you know, I would write my notes

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Speaker 3: That's about right.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that sounds all right when you only had five

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Speaker 5: And how old were you were you? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Okay, my god, I realized you were that young.

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, multiple times.

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Speaker 6: Not I would say more than once, but less than

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Speaker 6: I remember my mom after some of these note sessions

446
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 6: being like Jesus Christ, he's so hard on those those two, right,

447
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 6: And I would during those note sessions, I would be

448
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 6: humming and rocking, humming and rocking and chewing gum and

449
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 6: they would go up, she's humming again because I would

450
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 6: just kind of zone out.

451
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, you would need to.

452
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean, truthfully, I remember I remember needing to distract

453
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: myself to avoid feeling like too overwhelmed and just you know,

454
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm just going to preoccupy myself with other thoughts so

455
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: that I want maybe don't get emotional or yeah, I

456
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: just stopped.

457
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: And he was also that hard on Paul Riser.

458
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, you know, and my mom is tough, so

459
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 6: for her to say, for her to you know, notice

460
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 6: that that's that's a lot.

461
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he didn't give you notes on your crying.

462
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 5: You're giving me wow, wow, Wow, it's only funny with No,

463
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 5: you don't remember Michael's infamous Paul Reser, like his his

464
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 5: advice that Paul Reiser never took you guys. Don't remember that.

465
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that story.

466
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 5: This whole thing. He was always like, here's the thing,

467
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 5: here's why Paul's not not not not Seinfeld. Seinfeld goes up,

468
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 5: Paul goes down. You don't remember those killed everything. The

469
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 5: joke goes up, whereas Riser would go down. And he

470
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 5: was like, so Riser will never be as successful as Seinfeld.

471
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 6: That was.

472
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 5: And Michael's like, I tell him all the time and

473
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 5: he never listens to me. If you only listened to Michael,

474
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 5: he could have been Seinfeld.

475
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 7: I think he's doing fine. I think he's.

476
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 5: Right.

477
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: I think so. My Two Dads was one of the

478
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: first shows I remember. There was a run of shows

479
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: back in the day where it was like different Strokes,

480
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: Silver Spoons, and then later it kind of evolved into

481
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: like My Two Dads, and it was there was a

482
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: balance in TV at the time between a quote unquote

483
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: show that starred a kid that was not necessarily a

484
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: kid show that still had great adult actors, and that

485
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: era seems to be gone, and I'm just wondering why.

486
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess why you think something like

487
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: that has disappeared. There now seems to be you have

488
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Disney Channel, which is all kids all the time, or

489
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: you have Adult Boy Meets World, step by Step, My

490
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: Two Dads Full House. That kind of combination of adult

491
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: kid kids can watch and it's great, adults can watch

492
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: and it's great, doesn't seem to exist anymore. And I'm

493
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: curious if you have any opinion as to why you

494
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: think that is.

495
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 7: That's a good question. I've not thought of that.

496
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 6: I remember during My Two Dads there was a struggle

497
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 6: over is this a kid show or is this an

498
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 6: adult show? And that was an ongoing theme and ongoing

499
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 6: discussion and kind of argument. And I know, you know,

500
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 6: I think Paul wanted it to be more about him

501
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 6: and Greg and then they're also you know, it was

502
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 6: about the two of them, and they happened at the obstacle.

503
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 6: One of the obstacles they're facing is dealing with this kid.

504
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 6: But they really wanted it to be about them and

505
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 6: then their dating lives and all that kind of stuff.

506
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 6: But then other times, I don't know where this was

507
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 6: coming from, from the network or from Michael Jacobs or whoever,

508
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 6: but it no.

509
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 7: It's more of a kid show.

510
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 6: It's about these kids and this group of friends and

511
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 6: what's happening at school and what's happening in their dating lives,

512
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 6: and that tension went back and forth. But that's a

513
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 6: really good point.

514
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 7: I don't know why. I don't know why that is.

515
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 6: I guess maybe maybe because there is now Disney Channel,

516
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 6: and there's a place, you know, that's considered its own

517
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 6: genre or its own separate thing, as opposed to just

518
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 6: this monolithic network TV that there was at the time.

519
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 5: You were essentially the only kid on the show, right.

520
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 6: Well, so Nicole was my character. So then I had

521
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 6: a boyfriend, you know, Giovanni BC was on the show, yes,

522
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: and then Chadd Allan, then Amy Hathaway came on, as

523
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 6: you know, So I had a friend, a girlfriend, and

524
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 6: so yeah, there were there were their kids.

525
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 7: On the show.

526
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: So when my two dad ends in nineteen ninety, you

527
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: jumped right into another massive role in Step by Step.

528
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: Do you remember did you have to audition for it

529
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: or did you did you just roll right into it.

530
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: Did they offer it to you?

531
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 6: No, I got offered it. You've done your research over there.

532
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 6: I heart had so much infrastructure. So I did a

533
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 6: show called Going Places for Miller Boyett.

534
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: It had one of my first jobs. Just guest starred

535
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: on that showing Places. Ye really, Jerry Levine. Jerry Levine

536
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: was and Ellen Alan Ruck and Heather Locklear a cast.

537
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 5: I guess on an episode where we went boy Scout,

538
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 5: like the boy Scouts went camping or whatever, so it

539
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: was like a camping episode. But I think Alan Ruck

540
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: might have directed the episode. Does that make sense?

541
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: She doesn't remember those.

542
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 6: I don't remember him directing, but that doesn't mean he did.

543
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 7: Here's the other thing I was. I literally played the

544
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 7: girl next door.

545
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: You know.

546
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 6: They were these four kind of swinging single folks, and

547
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 6: then it was this kind of feral, parentless teenager who

548
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 6: live next door. And I would pop up, you know,

549
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 6: and sitcoms people don't have to call first. They just

550
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 6: come over all the time. Yeah, they're always hanging out

551
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 6: at each other's house. So I would just pop up

552
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 6: and they would, you know whatever, I'd have it. So

553
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 6: I was not on every episode, but so maybe maybe

554
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 6: that's why. But anyway, So then after that got canceled

555
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 6: and only made it for one season.

556
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 7: Then Miller Boyett offered me the part step by Step.

557
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Wow, what was that like?

558
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 7: What was that?

559
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: You said?

560
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: It was an overall very positive experience. Tell us a

561
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: little bit about some of your favorite memories from Step

562
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: by Step.

563
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 7: It was a great gig. It was the greatest of

564
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 7: great gigs.

565
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 6: I mean, especially coming from my two dads, Michael Jacobs production,

566
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 6: super high intensity, super high stress environment.

567
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 7: This was this slipping into a warm bath with Milner Boyet.

568
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 7: You know, they already had their billions at that point.

569
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 6: They were very well established. They weren't trying to prove

570
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 6: that they could launch a successful show. They had already

571
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 6: done that a billion times. So they're very relaxed and

572
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 6: very very family oriented. Everything was about the kids and

573
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 6: making it a good environment. And you know, if we

574
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 6: needed you know, new computers for the school room, absolutely, yes,

575
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 6: of course, everything a Latin tutor, you know, whatever, math tutor.

576
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: Whatever it was.

577
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, they everything was absolutely you know, everything was taken

578
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 6: care of for the kids.

579
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 7: And then on top of that, you know, it.

580
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 6: Always you know, kind of trickles down from the top, right,

581
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 6: So not only did you have Miller boy up being

582
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 6: so great, but then you had Suzanne Summers and Patrick

583
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 6: Duffy who were just the greatest people and who adored

584
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 6: each other and had such a great vibe together. And

585
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 6: then you know, and they were so good to us.

586
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 6: So the whole everything was just super super positive. I mean,

587
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: it's still stressful. You're still trying to put out a product.

588
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 6: You're still trying to make the jokes work, still trying

589
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 6: to make it funny. You know sometimes and you know,

590
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 6: I've heard you on your episodes where sometimes you just

591
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 6: the writing is sometimes there, sometimes it's not, and when

592
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 6: it's not, you've got to make it work. So all

593
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 6: that pressure is there. But it was it was a

594
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 6: great it was a great environment. In terms of memories,

595
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 6: there's there's I actually do have a lot of great memories.

596
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: I do remember some things, but I mean we would

597
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 6: just do fun stuff. You know. We had a day

598
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 6: where everybody dressed up as each other. Oh so fun,

599
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 6: that's so cool, which was really fun. And that was

600
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 6: just the I mean it was like summer camp.

601
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: That was who did you dress up as?

602
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 6: So you you you picked your name out of a hat.

603
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 6: So I actually got Christine Lincoln. So I went out

604
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 6: and I bought the eyeshadow color that she was wearing

605
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 6: at that moment. It was a shimmery pale green, if

606
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 6: I recall. So I had that on and a little

607
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 6: taint top and jeans and something tied around the waist

608
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 6: and boots, and I think I might have even done

609
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: a wig.

610
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 7: I mean that one. It wasn't.

611
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 6: As you know, Bronson Pinchot got Suzanne, so he so

612
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 6: he went full full drag, you know, big shiny lips,

613
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: blonde wig, you know, buz of them out.

614
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 7: Here that you know. Organized.

615
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: And then because Suzanne's husband was her partner in business

616
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 6: as well, and he would do all of her scheduling

617
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 6: and he kind of managed her. He had a full

618
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: sized mannequin of a man chained to Suzanne's ankle yes

619
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 6: behind him, and the Alan Mannikin was holding a book

620
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 6: that said bookings through you know, twenty twenty six or something.

621
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: That you keep throwing out these names like Bronson. I mean,

622
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: you've worked with some of the biggest television actors ever.

623
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm the television nerd. So every time I

624
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: hear that, it's like, I'm just thinking of the resume

625
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: of the people that you've worked with is really outstanding.

626
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's that's true. But Susan and Patrick were

627
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 7: just they were great.

628
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

629
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: We just recently lost Suzanne Summers to cancer, which is

630
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: obviously lost a great loss for everyone. What was working

631
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: with a TV icon like her like?

632
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: And did you stay in touch with her then after

633
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: the show ended?

634
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 6: Yes, I did, but working with her, I knew her

635
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 6: from Three's Company. Show was before my time, but I

636
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 6: remember watching it in reruns and she was so funny

637
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 6: and so beautiful. You know, she's just you know, she's

638
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 6: this bombshell who's also funny. So it was it was

639
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 6: definitely intimidating. But she's so warm, so welcoming, so you know,

640
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 6: self effacing that you could get over it pretty quickly

641
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 6: because of just how warm and lovely she was. So Yeah,

642
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: so that was that was intimidating for sure.

643
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you're very close with Christine Laken. Do

644
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you talk to anybody else from the cast?

645
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 6: You know, Patrick and I will keep in touch sometimes.

646
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 6: We and I've seen Patrick kind of steadily through the years.

647
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 6: He's so he'll write me some shatteringly sweet email on

648
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: my wedding anniversary, which is like, how does he remember? Yeah,

649
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 6: but mostly I would say Christine had and I have

650
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 6: kept the best touch, and Susan and I we did

651
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: keep in touch to a certain degree. But you know,

652
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 6: you were talking about this on your Group Therapy, your

653
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: recent group Therapy episode, how you're this family and you're

654
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: all so tight and then and then it all just

655
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 6: goes away, which is so hard. So I did see

656
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 6: Suzanne a few times after the show ended, but you know,

657
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 6: I mean I was so much younger than her.

658
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 7: You know, her friend group was.

659
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 6: Patrick and his wife, and you know, Barry Manilow was

660
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: one of her best friends. You know, I just wasn't

661
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 6: really you know, it was just the age difference. We

662
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 6: weren't going to be best friends or anything. But yeah,

663
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: but that's hard. So that's such a weird dynamic, how

664
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: you're all so tight and then it just goes away.

665
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: So going back to that time that you're on Step

666
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: by Step and you're on this incredible set and it's

667
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: really fun. You're working with a bunch of kids. When

668
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: you're away from set, who was your like your fellow

669
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: your friends, Like, did you have a fellow like actor

670
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: crew that you hung out with and did you often

671
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: go to Ed de Bevick's.

672
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, at Ed Debbeck's one hundred percent.

673
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 6: So my best best friend is Devin Odessa, who was

674
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 6: on my so called life, and then I got to

675
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 6: know kind of some of her crew, which included Nicole.

676
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 7: Tom and Alana Yubach and.

677
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 6: Then Claire Danes and then you know, so I would

678
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 6: so I was so Devin and I were best best friends.

679
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 6: I met her when I was eleven and she was twelve,

680
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 6: and she was my first friend out here and then

681
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: we still are best friends. So she and I was

682
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 6: mostly her and I, but when she would bring her

683
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 6: crew and I her crew along, then I would get

684
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 6: to hang out with Alana and Nicole and them, who

685
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 6: are hilarious.

686
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Alana is so funny. I only met her a few times,

687
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: but you're just holding your gut laughing every time you're

688
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: around her.

689
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 7: She's so talented.

690
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if you ever saw the One Woman

691
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 6: show that she did, all of these characters and voices

692
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 6: and accents.

693
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 7: She's just she's brilliant. And Nicole Tom is hysterical.

694
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

695
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: I knew Nicole back in the day, and we know

696
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: and we had you know, uh, David tom Right, Yeah, yeah, I.

697
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: Just reconnected with the Cole. I just saw her last month.

698
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: It's so good, Like we just reconnect cause we had

699
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 5: a Young Actress reunion like three months ago and like

700
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 5: so now I've hung out with her a couple of times.

701
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 5: So good to see her again. She's the best, and

702
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 5: she's exactly the same.

703
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 7: She's a stare up, so funny.

704
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 6: So Christine Lincoln previously had a podcast it's wrapped now,

705
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 6: but it was called Worst Ever and they would have

706
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 6: different guests on and interview people. I recommend to anyone

707
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 6: out there go back and listen to the Nicole tom episode.

708
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 6: There might be more than one there. They're all worth

709
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 6: a listen. But she tells a story about riding a

710
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 6: jet ski from you know, La essentially to Catalina.

711
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 7: I'm not kidding, and it's one of the funniest things

712
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 7: that you've ever heard.

713
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 6: Please find anyone out there listening, find that episode and

714
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 6: give it a listen.

715
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: It is epic, so funny.

716
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I want want to talk about Disney World.

717
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: Now.

718
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: We had originally called your cameo on our show completely random,

719
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: but we have since found out that the second step

720
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: by step Orlando episode. So they did a two parter,

721
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: which is what we were saying, we feel like we

722
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: should have done. They did a two parter and your

723
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 2: second episode aired the same night as our Boy Meets

724
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: World Orlando episode aired, So the storylines to us felt

725
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: totally unconnected. Even though you are credited as Dana, your

726
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: character from Step by Step, but it's not mentioned at

727
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: all in the script.

728
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: So you're there as Dana, but we don't know that

729
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: you're there as Dana.

730
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: But in the deal with the Dolph was we don't know.

731
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: I watched the Step by Step episode yes, last night, okay,

732
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: because I was thinking, because we got many many an

733
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: email that was like, listen, guys, it's not random. It

734
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: ties in she's Dana for step by Step, and it

735
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: ties in. I don't remember how, but I know it does.

736
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, I'm gonna have to it

737
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: does not. She has Dana in Step by Step, has

738
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: no storyline with the Dolphins at all. But there was

739
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: a promo for the night the show the shows were airing,

740
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: where Will, who wasn't even in Orlando, says yeah, because

741
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: step by Step is in Florida too.

742
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: You may even run into her.

743
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: Literally, it's like you may even run into them the

744
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: Step by stepcast. So the theory is that they set

745
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: it up so to tie the shows together to have

746
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: some sort of synergy, and then Will dropped the little

747
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: easter egg that we may run.

748
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: Into her, and then we do in the episode.

749
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 5: So it's a missed opportunity because it would have been

750
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 5: actually very cool if like Dana walks out of one

751
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: scene on Step by Step and walks into Boy me

752
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 5: Done it like really mentoed up the whole, Like, yeah,

753
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 5: it would have.

754
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: Been involved in There's no no involvement of the dolphin.

755
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: It's just weird.

756
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 7: You would have been cool. It was random though.

757
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 6: I watched the Boy Meets World episode and I don't

758
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 6: know why my character didn't get arrested.

759
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 7: I know, I am back there finding the scenes with.

760
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: This animal cruelty.

761
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just let this dolphin anybody, anybody wanted to

762
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: just come and randomly.

763
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: Feed Dolph sick dolphin, ressed dolphin.

764
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 7: The troubled dolphin.

765
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 6: They're just letting the random members of the public just

766
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: hang out with this dolphin.

767
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 7: And that Now, that was a really cool part of.

768
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 6: Doing the episode is getting to hang out with the

769
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 6: dolphin and and to go behind the scenes. And I remember,

770
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: I do remember the dolphin. It was a it was

771
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 6: a small area and as you were saying, the audio

772
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 6: was terrible quality. It was terrible in that room or

773
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 6: not room, whatever you call it. Yes, aquarium, backstage, aquarium area.

774
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 6: But I remember the dolphin was in a really small tank,

775
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 6: a much smaller tank, kind of a holding tank, and

776
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 6: the dolphin, all the gear was getting loaded in and

777
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 6: there were grips running back and forth, and lights coming

778
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 6: in and out, and sea stands and the dolphin. The

779
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 6: water was shallow enough that the dolphin stood on his

780
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: or her tail and just was standing up in the

781
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 6: in the water like just watching everybody the whole time.

782
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 2: I also remember the smell of that room, you do,

783
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: I do. I remember it was fishy. It was fishy

784
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: in there. That dolphin wasn't not eating, that dolphin was eating,

785
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: and there were there were just lots of lots.

786
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: Of fish smell and it was fishy. I remember that.

787
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 2: So, Stacy, do you remember shooting the by the way,

788
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: Before I even asked the question, do you remember shooting

789
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: the Step by Step episodes? There By Step did their

790
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 2: Disney World episode, right, They went on.

791
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: All the rides.

792
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: They showed all the great shots jumping up in front

793
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: of the Epcot. But I mean they really did a

794
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: great job. They really delivered.

795
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: So do you remember, is that.

796
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: Step by step got you know, like by the time

797
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: they got to us, they just went, don't forget it,

798
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: put them in a tank.

799
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: By the way, one of the characters on the show

800
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: was in the Indiana Jones Show, so they actually, yeah,

801
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: they have the Indiana Jones Show and he's having to

802
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: do all the all the stunts, and they did.

803
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 5: It, and you don't throw him into a Disney show, right,

804
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 5: didn't even fly me to Florida for God's sake.

805
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got to meet a dolphin.

806
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 7: So I do remember those episodes. It was it was

807
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 7: a big deal.

808
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: All the kids, everybody was super excited, and I was

809
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 6: at that age where I was. I guess I decided

810
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 6: I was going to have a goth, kind of a

811
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: goth moment in terms of my aut towards being in

812
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 6: Disney Disney World. Instead of being thrilled to death, I

813
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 6: decided I was too cool for whatever. So I was

814
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 6: in the hotel room, I had it cranked down, I

815
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 6: had the air conditioning in the room cranked down to

816
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 6: fifty five degrees.

817
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 7: It was like Elvis.

818
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 6: It was a dark room, freezing cold, and I would

819
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 6: kind of lay in bed and read Helter Skelter, That's

820
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 6: the book I was reading at that time. It was

821
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 6: I wasn't actually in a goth moment in terms of

822
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 6: my look, but in terms of the attitude, it was

823
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 6: very goth, very emo.

824
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 7: I just said you.

825
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: Were the step by step right or strong, and then

826
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: they would drag you know, and I don't know did

827
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: you have the handlers?

828
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 7: Did you assigned a handler?

829
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

830
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 6: So then we were trying to meet in Christine and

831
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: Angela Watson. We were trying to sometimes escape from our handlers.

832
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: We did that as well.

833
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, did you supposed to do that?

834
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 6: If you were out in the park at all, your

835
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 6: hand was supposed to be kind of hovering over you.

836
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 6: I don't know what they were supposed to do you

837
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 6: knark you out if you did something bad, or take.

838
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: Care of your vest people.

839
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I guess the best.

840
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? They got you everywhere.

841
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 5: I was trying to escape them all the time.

842
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 3: Oh God, I did more random with my guides than

843
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Oh it was. It was awesome. Oh last time.

844
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 5: I was eighteen and I had a fake idea. I

845
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: was just trying to ditch my handler. Every time we

846
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 5: were at Disney World. I told you guys the story

847
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 5: where I like left her in a parking lot. I

848
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: was like, we're gonna be fine with my friends, and

849
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: we went into House of Blues and she waited in

850
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 5: the parking lot until two in the morning. I found

851
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: out later, like just to keep an eye on when

852
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: we When we left, I had no idea.

853
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm going And then did you

854
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: see her when you left her? Did you you went

855
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: out a different way?

856
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: Right?

857
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trina.

858
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 5: Trina was on that trip, and she told me the

859
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 5: next time that she was like, your handler told me

860
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 5: she stayed in the parking lot un till two in

861
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 5: the morning and making on safe. And I was like, oh,

862
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: she didn't have to told her we were fine. But

863
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 5: you know, it was her job in the lone. She's

864
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 5: like in charge of this actor.

865
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

866
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 8: Sh well.

867
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 6: And for anyone who's never seen these handlers, it is

868
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 6: a plaid vest. So I had a lady handler and

869
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 6: she had a it was a kind of a red

870
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 6: and black and white plaid vest over a white collared shirt.

871
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: And then she.

872
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 8: Had a beige skirt that was kind of a nitty length,

873
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 8: so below the knee but above the ankle, very sister

874
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 8: wife with some kind of flat shoe.

875
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 6: And then I think the men wore the same outfit

876
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 6: with a khaki pant instead of the skirt. And it

877
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 6: was and it was all the rules, all the Disney rules.

878
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 6: They couldn't have colored, nail polished, you couldn't have bright,

879
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 6: you know, makeup or dye hair or facial hair.

880
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 7: Or any any of that stuff.

881
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 8: Yeah.

882
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's very cool for teens. It's very cool

883
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: to partner these people up with teens and have.

884
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: A babysitter constantly. To be fair, this babysitter can take

885
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 5: you to the front of any line ride. But do

886
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 5: you give a crap when you're seventeen or eighteen.

887
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: Right, and you're there with your friends?

888
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: So when you okay, question about this is like, this

889
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: might sound like a stupid question. Was your entire cast

890
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: in Florida at the same time or did you guys

891
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: split up?

892
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: Like was it like a few days? You do you

893
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: remember that?

894
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 7: I want to say everybody was there? Okay, I think

895
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 7: everyone was there.

896
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 5: How was it the same trip that you joined our

897
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 5: show or did you have to go back to guests

898
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 5: same trip?

899
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 7: Yes, but I noticed in your episode there.

900
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 6: Was a point where one of you said, we've been

901
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 6: waiting in line for half an hour, and then it

902
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 6: turned out all you were waiting for was a true

903
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 6: right our script, we could not have any mention of heat, humidity, mosquitoes, lines,

904
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 6: any because we did have jokes about lines.

905
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 7: All of those had to be cut.

906
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 6: You have, it had an ideal presentation up experience. Yeah,

907
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 6: So I was shocked that you were allowed to talk

908
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 6: about lines, because as far as I understood, the reason

909
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 6: why these episodes even happened, and why the whole block

910
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 6: I think was all all of the families, all of

911
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 6: the shows being at Disney, was so it could be

912
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 6: a solid two hour long Disney commercial, right.

913
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 7: Because I had heard that.

914
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 6: I think when Full House went to Disney, they booked

915
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: every room in the park that night. The sales were

916
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 6: just like that, you know, I think they showed a

917
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 6: one eight hundred number. I guess back then you had

918
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 6: to call yeah to make a reservation, and they booked.

919
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 7: They booked out the entire place.

920
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: From that We got a few emails from people that

921
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: wanted me to know, wanted all of us to know

922
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: that it worked, and that after watching these episodes, it

923
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: became the very top of their list that they needed

924
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: to go to Disney World and it became like a

925
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: bucket list thing for their family, and they did eventually go,

926
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: and they fully attribute it to these episodes.

927
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: Well, when did Disney buy ABC? Wasn't it right around.

928
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: Right around this?

929
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 7: Right this?

930
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 5: I wonder if it was like just part of that.

931
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 5: It was like the you know, the big fish swallowed

932
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: the smaller fishermen. It was like, and now you have

933
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: to do a promotion night.

934
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Well that's what we were always doing that stuff all

935
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: six ninety ninety six. Yeah, we were doing that stuff

936
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: all the time. Hey, it's this anniversary, it's that anniversary.

937
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: We have to go. We're opening the magic See were

938
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: opening this always.

939
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: But we were always a Disney show because we were

940
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: Touchstone Television, Yeah, which was a Disney company, and then

941
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 5: ABC was the other company we worked for, but for

942
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 5: like full House, probably wasn't a Disney show until Disney

943
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 5: bought ABC. And now then Disney controlled everything. That was

944
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: like it became a top down situation in ninety six

945
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 5: when they bought it. I remember being like, oh, we

946
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: worked for one company.

947
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 6: Now, Yes, there was a big noticeable change when Disney

948
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 6: came in, because yes, right away it was okay, this

949
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 6: show is going to become a Disney infomercial, you know,

950
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 6: at least for those couple of episodes, and yeah, it

951
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 6: changed a lot.

952
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: Well, since then, you have done the very smart thing,

953
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: and you've retired from the entertainment industry and decided to

954
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: go back to school. You had already graduated from UCLA

955
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: with an art history major, right right, Okay, but in

956
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen you'd attend and graduate from Southwestern Law School,

957
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: which would put you on an incredible journey as a

958
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: lawyer and now deputy district attorney. Tell us how you

959
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: made that decision to leave the entertainment industry behind and

960
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: pursue this field after a.

961
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 6: Step by step, I just wasn't getting good gigs anymore.

962
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 6: That's just the truth. I did some really bad movies

963
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 6: I did, you know. I did other stuff here and there.

964
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 6: I did some voiceover.

965
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 7: Stuff, but I just wasn't It's so hard to.

966
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 6: Top a gig like that. Yeah, even if you landed

967
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 6: on another show. What are the odds that it's going

968
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: to be such a great loving environment? Yeah, you know,

969
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 6: so I just yeah, I just wasn't happy with the

970
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 6: work that I was getting, and I thought, if this

971
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 6: is the work that I'm getting in this industry, I

972
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: think I'm done here. I never seem to have the

973
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 6: right I was never good at the business part of

974
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 6: the business. I never seemed to have a decent you know,

975
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 6: agent or manager or combination of those. I didn't know

976
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 6: how to you know, you were supposed to put out

977
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 6: your own stuff, and I just I never figured out

978
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 6: how to do that.

979
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 7: I wasn't good at and any.

980
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 6: Of the stuff, you know, all of the networking and

981
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 6: all this stuff and all the things you were supposed

982
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 6: to do and self promotion, I just never I never

983
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: learned really how to do that. So, you know, while

984
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 6: I had a few holding deals and I you know,

985
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: we pitched a few pilots and stuff like that, nothing

986
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 6: really worked out. So eventually I just said, Okay, if

987
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 6: this is the work I'm getting that I think I'm done.

988
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 7: So I always wanted to go back to school.

989
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 6: I loved school in the first place, and I loved

990
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 6: art history, So I thought about getting a PhD in

991
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: art history because it's it's a really fun field of study.

992
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 7: But what are you going to do with a PhD

993
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 7: in art history? First of all?

994
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: Art history?

995
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 7: Hey, right, so you you go to school for another

996
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 7: eleven years. I think it is the.

997
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 6: Average to get an art history PhD.

998
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 7: So you do that.

999
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 6: I mean, you could be a medical doctor at that point.

1000
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: And then what you get to be a curator? I

1001
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 6: mean there's a tiny handful of curators across the entire world.

1002
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of opportunity for that, or to

1003
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: be an art history professor.

1004
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 7: Which would have been great.

1005
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 6: I think I would have loved that, but it just

1006
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 6: was too much. It just seemed like too much for

1007
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 6: you know, and just not practical. So law school is

1008
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 6: super practical because it's so short, it's only three years,

1009
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 6: and then there's so many things you can do with it,

1010
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 6: much more practical than art history and shorter and faster.

1011
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 7: And so so I went to law school to be

1012
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 7: a DA.

1013
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 6: I knew that was the only kind of law that

1014
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 6: I wanted to practice at that point. You know, I

1015
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 6: was a little older too, so I just you know,

1016
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: had more of an idea of what I wanted to do,

1017
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: so I went to law school and then I clerked

1018
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 6: for the Riverside DA's office.

1019
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 7: LA DA was not hiring at that time, so.

1020
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 6: I went out to Riverside. I was a DA there

1021
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 6: for a few years. But then the commute I was commuting.

1022
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 7: There from la which was crazy.

1023
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 6: So if you're not from around here, that's about a

1024
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 6: seventy five mile drive. It's about an hour and twenty

1025
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 6: minutes at the very fastest. So then yeah, right, So

1026
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 6: eventually I moved over to the lada's office and now

1027
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 6: I've been there since twenty sixteen.

1028
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: Can you explain for all of us what it is

1029
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: exactly that you do and what you're in charge of

1030
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: in layman's terms for us, like you're being introduced as

1031
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: a character on Law and Order.

1032
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 6: Sure, okay, So a DA is a prosecutor at the

1033
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 6: county level. So we are the ones who file complaints

1034
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: in criminal court. So and then so a lot of

1035
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 6: people will say, oh, well you they you know, I

1036
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 6: say I'm a DA and they say, oh, so you

1037
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 6: defend people. No, I'm the prosecutor bringing the charges, bringing

1038
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 6: the case against a certain defendant. And then they have

1039
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: their defense attorney possibly the public defender. So our role

1040
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: is to seek justice. That is the job of a prosecutor.

1041
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 6: It's not to convict people or to win trials. It's

1042
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 6: to seek justice and also to ensure that the voices

1043
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 6: of victims are heard in criminal court.

1044
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 7: So day to day, I'm in a seleny trial unit.

1045
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 6: So my caseload is about evenly split between murders and

1046
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 6: other homicides.

1047
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 7: And domestic violence. That's about that's about what.

1048
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 6: We've got a huge amount of murder cases right now,

1049
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 6: So everybody's carrying.

1050
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 7: A lot of murders.

1051
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 6: So yeah, mostly murders, domestic violence, other major assault cases.

1052
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 6: And so what I do day to day is I'm

1053
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: in court every day, handling different hearings, doing jury trials.

1054
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 5: And yeah, okay, so going back, going back, helter skelter,

1055
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 5: So you were obviously true crime somewhat of a true

1056
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,479
Speaker 5: crime buff. At some point, can you handle true crime

1057
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: anymore at all? Like, do you read it about it

1058
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 5: or is it like now that it's your job, you

1059
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 5: can't stand.

1060
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 7: It all the time.

1061
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 6: I'm always I've always got my favorite murder going in

1062
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 6: the background, true crime upset like all of those. My

1063
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 6: husband is just all the time saying you don't get

1064
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 6: enough of this.

1065
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I would think. That's amazing.

1066
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 3: Wow, what percentage of cases in Los Angeles plead out?

1067
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 7: Over ninety percent?

1068
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. It's the vast majority. Right, don't

1069
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: ever see a courtroom?

1070
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 7: Well, they'll see a court room, but they won't see

1071
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 7: a jury trial. Jury tru Yeah, so yes, So actually

1072
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 7: a jury trial is the exception and not the rule.

1073
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 6: There's most case is overwhelmingly and that's not just here

1074
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 6: in LA, but across the board. Most cases are going

1075
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: to resolve short of jury trial.

1076
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 2: Does your past on television ever come up in any

1077
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: of your cases? Do any of your skills from TV

1078
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: ever come into play?

1079
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 7: I think it does.

1080
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of Well, for for example,

1081
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 6: Alexander technique. Are you familiar with Alexander technique? So Alexander

1082
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 6: technique is not just for actors but for people who

1083
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 6: play instruments and opera singers. But it's developing a practice

1084
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 6: of being aware of the body so that you're not

1085
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 6: just this kind of disembodied head that's being carried around

1086
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 6: by this body that's.

1087
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 7: Off doing its own thing.

1088
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 6: Weird tics, weird nervous movements, or weird unintentional things that

1089
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 6: might be undermining what you're trying to convey. So it

1090
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 6: just gives you this practice of not being self conscious,

1091
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 6: but of living in your body and.

1092
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 7: Being aware of your body.

1093
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 6: And that was something that I had studied once I

1094
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 6: start and studying acting. And that's really important, I think,

1095
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: because you see people in court all the time and

1096
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 6: they are such they're such disembodied heads, you know, and

1097
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 6: a jury is just they're a captive audience and they're

1098
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 6: sitting there staring at you head to toe.

1099
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 7: And if you're saying one thing.

1100
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 6: But your body is off doing all this weird stuff,

1101
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 6: it's it's distracting and it can undermine, you know, what

1102
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: you're trying to communicate.

1103
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 7: So that's Alexander technique definitely.

1104
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a case involving anyone you grew

1105
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: up working with?

1106
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 6: I should, no, And I wouldn't be able to if

1107
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 6: I knew that. If I knew, it would be a conflict,

1108
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 6: and I wouldn't be able to be involved in the

1109
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 6: case if I knew the parties involved.

1110
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: But it's la. I mean, actor cases kind of come

1111
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: up often, don't they. I Mean, you've got to hear

1112
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: the scuttle butt of hey, guess who's here today kind

1113
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: of thing.

1114
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1115
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I remember when the Danny Masterson tried, the

1116
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 6: most recent one was going on, and I remember seeing him.

1117
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 7: We kind of locked.

1118
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 6: Eye in the lobby of the building and I recognized him,

1119
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 6: and I didn't know if he recognized me. I think

1120
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 6: I might have met him maybe a handful of times,

1121
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 6: but we just kind of locked eyes and it was

1122
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: it was odd, you know, But.

1123
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know you at different ends of a spectrum.

1124
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, so yeah, those I mean, and where I'm

1125
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 6: at we have a lot of those kind of media

1126
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 6: cases too.

1127
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: So I'm curious. As the son of two lawyers, my

1128
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: parents always talked about how they were drawn to the law.

1129
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 3: You talked about it as more of like a practicality.

1130
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 3: Was there? Was it really just a practicality of the profession?

1131
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: Or have you always kind of been drawn to justice

1132
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, I think so.

1133
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 7: I think so.

1134
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 6: I've always had a I've always had a cause or

1135
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 6: or several causes going at any given time kind of

1136
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 6: for my whole life. I wouldn't say I was drawn

1137
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: to the law, but I'm so it is a really

1138
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 6: great study, if anyone out there is thinking about it.

1139
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 7: Law school is kind of cool. I think it's a

1140
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 7: good discipline.

1141
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 6: For your mind. It teaches you to be very precise,

1142
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 6: to be critical and analytical. So I really enjoyed it.

1143
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 6: But no, I wouldn't say that I was drawn to

1144
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 6: the law. What kind of law do your parents practice?

1145
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: My mother was the chief administrative officer of all three

1146
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: courts in Connecticut, and my father is a family litigator

1147
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: and was a lawyer for the Navy for thirty years.

1148
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: He's still practicing. He's eighty five years old and still practice.

1149
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1150
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 5: Really, yeah, yep.

1151
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: Still. You know, he's dropped some of the jury stars,

1152
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: some of the trial stuff just because his hearing's not

1153
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: as good anymore. And you know, it's a lot of work.

1154
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: But he's still in his office meeting you clients every

1155
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: single day. Yep.

1156
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, Stacy. Do your clients ever recognize you?

1157
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 6: No, technically I don't have clients. As a DA, we

1158
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 6: represent the people of the state of California. Have you know,

1159
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 6: we are making sure that our victims are heard, but

1160
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 6: they're not technically our clients. But having worked with people

1161
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 6: who have recognized me, yes, yeah, sometimes, And at one

1162
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 6: time had a juror who after the case concluded and

1163
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 6: there was a verdict, they kind of hung around afterwards, which,

1164
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 6: you know, the jurors are always invited, you know, the

1165
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 6: judge will typically say, if you want to talk to

1166
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 6: the attorneys afterwards, you're welcome to, you know, stay, and

1167
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 6: oftentimes they don't. But this lady stayed, and she said

1168
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 6: that she recognized me, And she said she didn't recognize

1169
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 6: me at first, but she over the course of the

1170
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 6: trial the.

1171
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 7: Voice she recognized my voice. Right.

1172
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 6: So then the defense attorney heard this and made a

1173
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 6: motion for a new trial on the basis that the

1174
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 6: juror was probably biased towards me. So he said, this

1175
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 6: juror lied when she said she because the judge always asks,

1176
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 6: as part of the jury selection process, do you reckon

1177
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 6: any of the people here in court, and she had

1178
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 6: said no, but she had told me, I did not

1179
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 6: recognize you at first. It took days and days, and

1180
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 6: I eventually kind of put it together. So he said,

1181
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 6: she lied, The jur lied. The duror recognized the DA

1182
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 6: from the very beginning and lied about it, and then convicted,

1183
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 6: you know, voted to convict because she was biased towards

1184
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 6: the DA based on recognizing her from this show.

1185
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: Did the motion work? No, Okay, I was going to say,

1186
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: I was wondering if there was granted a new trial.

1187
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1188
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 6: No emotion for a new trial is a pretty tough burden.

1189
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 6: Those are usually not going to be granted. But no,

1190
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 6: that did not fly.

1191
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: Do you ever miss acting?

1192
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: Not?

1193
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 7: Really? You know, I just you know, when I was

1194
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 7: doing it as a kid, I had no training. I

1195
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 7: didn't know what I was doing.

1196
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 6: And then the older that I got and the more

1197
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 6: demanding this the parts were, the more.

1198
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 7: I felt like, I don't know how to do this.

1199
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 6: They want me to cry, they want me to scream,

1200
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 6: they want me to I don't know how to do

1201
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 6: any of this stuff. I don't know what I'm doing.

1202
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 6: So my mom called the Howard Fine for me back

1203
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 6: before when I was still a kid, and he said, no,

1204
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 6: I will not work with anyone under eighteen.

1205
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 7: So I waited until.

1206
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 6: I was eighteen and I started studying with him. But

1207
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: it just seemed even once I studied and I started

1208
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 6: to get some technique, the more I studied it, the

1209
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 6: more I felt like I'll never be able to do this.

1210
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 6: I just can't do this. It's too hard, So I don't.

1211
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 6: And you know, I don't think people who have never

1212
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 6: acted can relate to that, you know, because when acting

1213
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 6: is done well, it looks like nothing is happening, so

1214
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 6: people look at it, I think and think it's so easy.

1215
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 6: It's really hard to do. Human behavior is so complicated,

1216
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 6: and to recreate it for real is so hard. So

1217
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 6: I just felt like I was I never felt like

1218
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 6: I was good. I never felt like I could do it.

1219
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 6: And I really don't miss that. And I also don't

1220
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 6: miss how rough the industry is because now being in

1221
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 6: the legal field, where everything is your reputation and what

1222
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 6: people know about you and what people say about you,

1223
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 6: I cannot believe what goes on in the industry.

1224
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 7: I cannot believe how people treat each other.

1225
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 6: I can It's it's a den of iniquity, really, and

1226
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 6: I don't miss that either. Now sometimes I miss sometimes

1227
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 6: I think, you know, if I tried acting now, if

1228
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 6: I just threw out all of my technique and everything

1229
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 6: that I studied, maybe I'd be able to do it.

1230
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 7: So sometimes I have that crazy.

1231
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 6: Thought, but I don't think that's actually true. If I

1232
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 6: miss anything, it would be voiceover.

1233
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 7: I like voiceover.

1234
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: It'ld isn't it the best job ever?

1235
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 8: Yes?

1236
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 6: Yes, And you don't have to be skinny, and you

1237
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 6: don't have to be whatever you can just you just

1238
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 6: have your voice.

1239
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 7: I miss voiceover. Yeah, but that's it.

1240
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: So then I have a question because I please correct

1241
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, which I probably am. But as

1242
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: you kind of rise up the ranks in the DA's office,

1243
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: don't they eventually become elected positions.

1244
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's an elected DA and that position is more

1245
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 6: of it's more political, you know, that's more of being

1246
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 6: a politician.

1247
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask, is is that

1248
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: a goal of yours eventually? I mean, do you want

1249
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: to become like the elected District Attorney of Los Angeles?

1250
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 7: No?

1251
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 6: No, I'm not a politician like that, I you know,

1252
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 6: and especially not here in LA either.

1253
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: So looking back at an incredible career that you had

1254
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: at such a young age on TV, you're so many

1255
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: miles from it now, like getting Victim's voices heard, what

1256
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: do you think or feel when you see teenage Stacey

1257
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: on the screen.

1258
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 6: Well, let's see, it was a great experience. You know,

1259
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 6: all of the conversation that you had in your recent

1260
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 6: group therapy episode. There was so much of that that

1261
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 6: I could relate to, and so many points that were

1262
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 6: made that I had never really thought of. I mean,

1263
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 6: and I was surprised to hear some of you say

1264
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 6: that you you got burnt out. That was something that

1265
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 6: I don't I just didn't relate to at all. Yeah,

1266
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 6: I don't know. I feel I feel kind of I

1267
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 6: feel bad for her in a way, which is I mean,

1268
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 6: I had a great time in a great life. I'm not,

1269
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 6: you know, but just it's it's hard growing up in

1270
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 6: front of the camera like that. It's hard to feel

1271
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 6: looked at or judged or you know. Uh, it just

1272
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 6: so much of the body stuff I don't think i'll

1273
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 6: ever get over. And I look when I see you know,

1274
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 6: you say your question was what do I see or

1275
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 6: what do I think when I see myself?

1276
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 7: And you know, I just think how much I was.

1277
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 6: So I could not stand to watch the show because

1278
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 6: I just hated the way that I looked. Everything was bad.

1279
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 6: I was never you know, never skinny enough, never this enough.

1280
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 6: Everything was wrong. It's just wasn't it was never good enough.

1281
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 6: So it's sad because overall, it was a great experience

1282
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 6: and I loved it, and I definitely would not trade it.

1283
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 7: And I think.

1284
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 6: Overall, I mean, it had its costs, but it was

1285
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 6: overall such.

1286
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 7: An enriching experience and I would never I would never

1287
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 7: give it up.

1288
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: You've talked a couple of times about the body image stuff,

1289
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: and I definitely went through it myself for years and years.

1290
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: I mean, truly, I think I've only had a healthy

1291
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: relationship with my body. And it's still obviously not perfect,

1292
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: my relationship, not the body. It's only gotten better, truthfully

1293
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: since I had kids. Pregnancy and children actually helped me

1294
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 2: have a better relationship with my body and a better

1295
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: relationship with food.

1296
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: But what do you think for you in your experience,

1297
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: what do you think was was? What was that like

1298
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: for you?

1299
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: And what why did you I mean, you were so thin,

1300
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, we watched the show now and no one

1301
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: would ever think that you would have felt anything other

1302
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: than thin and gorgeous. So what do you think where

1303
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: did that? Where did that pressure come from for you?

1304
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 6: You know, partly I think it was my mom. My

1305
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 6: mom was very glamorous, very beautiful, and always very thin,

1306
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 6: and she thought that was the only way to be. So,

1307
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 6: you know, I definitely got that message. I mean, my

1308
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 6: mom was a great mom and such a loving powerhouse

1309
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 6: of a person. But she she grew up in a

1310
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 6: different time where it was, you know, I think, especially

1311
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 6: for women, your value was your looks, and I think

1312
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 6: she got that message loud and clear her entire life

1313
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 6: as a beauty. You know, that was always what it

1314
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 6: was about, was her looks and so and you had

1315
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 6: to be thin, I think especially at that time too,

1316
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 6: when she was coming up.

1317
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 7: So I did get that message. But then then you're.

1318
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 6: In the industry and then there's there's comments from costumers.

1319
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 7: You know, oh, the size zero isn't fitting anymore.

1320
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 6: We're gonna have to get everything in a size too now, right,

1321
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 6: And you go, oh, oh, no, oh god, you know,

1322
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 6: and you know, there was a time where I gained

1323
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 6: some weight in my teens and when I was on

1324
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 6: step by step and that was just a disaster. You know,

1325
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 6: when we happened to do an episode where we went

1326
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 6: to Hawaii and I had to wear a bathing suit

1327
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 6: and it was just like, oh my god, you know

1328
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 6: I have I'm just my sister went through the same thing.

1329
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 6: We both hit a certain age, we gained about fifteen pounds.

1330
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 6: It was there was nothing you could do about it.

1331
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 6: And then after about six months it went away or

1332
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 6: a year or whatever it was. But of course this

1333
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 6: bathing suit episode happens to fall during that period, and

1334
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 6: that was awful and so and sometimes from yeah, just

1335
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 6: from from the industry, you know, or just even from

1336
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 6: the show. You know, there were times where all of

1337
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 6: us sometimes would gain some weight and there would just

1338
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 6: be certain subtle comments or just certain subtle things.

1339
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 7: Said, and yeah, it messes with you.

1340
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 6: I mean because when I was on the show, for

1341
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 6: the most part, I weighed under one hundred pounds, and

1342
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, so if you look at and for

1343
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 6: anyone who hasn't seen themselves on a TV show before,

1344
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 6: the camera absolutely adds at least twenty pounds. I mean,

1345
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 6: when I worked with Heather Locklear, on camera, she looked

1346
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 6: absolutely perfect and healthy and fit.

1347
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 7: And in real life though she was so tiny, she

1348
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 7: was like a tiny, teeny, little delicate bird, but on

1349
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 7: camera it looked perfect.

1350
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 6: So I mean, yeah, so I weighed ninety eight or

1351
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 6: ninety nine pounds typically, but I remember comments, you know,

1352
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 6: from my mom.

1353
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 7: I remember being at the doctor with.

1354
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 6: Her and they weighed me, and I weighed at one

1355
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 6: oh seven and she said one o seven you better

1356
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 6: stop eating, right, So you know, I mean that's that's

1357
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 6: where that's where it comes from. But I think I

1358
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 6: mean so, I mean, as guys, did you go through.

1359
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 7: That as well?

1360
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: I did? Oh? Absolutely, yeah. I've struggled with my weight

1361
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: most of my life. So it was, you know, producers

1362
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: pulling me if we've talked about it on the podcast,

1363
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 3: producers pulling me aside, Hey we're noticing it on camera.

1364
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: Hey you should start dieting. Hey, you should do So,

1365
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I got the talk. The first time I

1366
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: got to talk I was eleven on Nickelodeon that I

1367
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 3: was putting on too much weight.

1368
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 7: Oh no.

1369
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: And so that's that's been a normal part of my life.

1370
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: And but that's the thing is I will also as

1371
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 3: as a guy in the industry when I got you know,

1372
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: daniel and I have talked about this because we did

1373
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 3: an boy Metrol actually did an episode about it. I

1374
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 3: think Danielle put on eight or nine pounds and it

1375
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, she got huge. I put

1376
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: on forty and I was still just the funny guy. So,

1377
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, I think it was. You know, I obviously

1378
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: don't want to speak for Daniel, but I think in

1379
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: the industry it's always a double stands harder for women,

1380
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: and there was definitely a double standard. But no, I

1381
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 3: would I would get the weight talk. I've had that

1382
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: ten different times in my life.

1383
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I never felt I never got the talk,

1384
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 5: but I never felt good about my body.

1385
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 6: You know.

1386
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, as much as like I mean, I do think

1387
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 5: the culture has gotten better and more aware, and you know,

1388
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 5: the conversation around way it has has shifted in a

1389
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 5: positive way. I do think that there's something fundamental to

1390
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 5: being an actor that does kind of require a thinness. It's,

1391
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 5: you know, like what you were saying about how the

1392
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: camera adds pounds. I don't even know if it's that

1393
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 5: so much like I remember when my brother's a photographer,

1394
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 5: and I remember when he was going to school for

1395
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 5: photography and he would hire models and he was doing

1396
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 5: like fashion photography. He was like, you know, it's not

1397
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 5: it's not that we want thin people because they necessarily

1398
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 5: look better. It's because the clothes hang off of them better,

1399
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 5: and you can imagine yourself in the clothing more when

1400
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 5: you when it's a thin person, and so in a way,

1401
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 5: it's actually they're inhumanity that makes them more relatable. And

1402
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 5: I think the same is true of actors. I think

1403
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 5: we're our job oftentimes as actors, especially on like you know,

1404
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: a commercial or something where you're just getting a second

1405
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 5: where it's very visually based. The idea is that you're

1406
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 5: kind of like a puppet. You're sort of like the

1407
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 5: stand in for the for the for the viewer to

1408
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 5: be able to see themselves. And nobody wants to see

1409
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 5: somebody who's slightly overweight or has as any of those

1410
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 5: sort of human quality. They want to see like literally

1411
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 5: a stick figure of themselves that they can then project

1412
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 5: their own body and their own image on. And everybody

1413
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: walks around with a very healthy themselves, a better version

1414
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 5: of themselves.

1415
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 3: Right.

1416
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: We all see ourselves as like thinner. We put on

1417
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 5: our thing and we look in the mirror, we like

1418
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 5: puff out our chest or whatever it is that we

1419
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 5: do to make, and that's the image we carry around.

1420
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 5: We don't look like we act, So when we see

1421
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 5: ourselves on camera, you're like, oh god. And I think

1422
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 5: that part of being an actor and it's you know,

1423
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 5: I do think that there's obviously way too much cultural

1424
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 5: pressure on it. But I do think there's something just

1425
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 5: to the visualization us to watching another human being in

1426
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 5: front of a camera. There is something to a sort

1427
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 5: of you know, it's like dancers, like we want dancers

1428
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 5: to be basically stick figures, like we don't want them

1429
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 5: to have human qualities that actually makes them more humans.

1430
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 5: It's a paradox. It's an interesting paradox.

1431
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, Stacy, thank you so much for joining us and

1432
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: coming here and being vulnerable and sharing your experiences and

1433
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: letting us fan over you. Even though you don't remember

1434
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: any of us, we all remember you, and we just

1435
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 2: adore you, and we are so appreciative that you came

1436
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: and spent this time with us, and we would love

1437
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: to see you in not in a court room, I

1438
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: none of us want to be there, but well, we

1439
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: would love to see you.

1440
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: In Orlando near a dolphin at any time.

1441
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 7: I would love that. Thank you so much for having

1442
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 7: me on.

1443
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed listening to your podcast and getting to

1444
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,839
Speaker 6: know you through the show. And Danielle, I do remember

1445
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 6: you because I wrot you coming to the set and

1446
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 6: there was this dangerous sexual undercurrent that you brought with

1447
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 6: you because you would show up looking all gorgeous with

1448
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 6: your little I remember you came one time and you

1449
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 6: had denim jeans, shorts on and the little top, and

1450
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 6: the moms of the boy actors were like, does she

1451
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 6: need to be hanging around here?

1452
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 5: She caused scandals at home and home improvement too, everywhere

1453
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 5: she went, so many young boys nineties television lives.

1454
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, amazing. Yes, I remember thinking it was super

1455
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: cool finding out that you and I drove the same car.

1456
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 3: Stay thought when I got my Mazda RX seven, which

1457
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: is arguably the most dangerous automobile that had ever been

1458
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: created in history, and I pulled out, Oh my god,

1459
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: they just took a big engine and wrapped it around

1460
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 3: a car like plastic and put two seats in it. It

1461
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 3: was so dangerous.

1462
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 5: I don't remember this car.

1463
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I read mazarax it and when I got it,

1464
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 3: somebody's like, you know, Stacy Keenan has the same car,

1465
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: and I was.

1466
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: Like, yes, yes, Oh that's so funny.

1467
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, Stacy, I also want to tell you how just

1468
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: totally inspirational I find it that you have led two

1469
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: totally different and equally successful professional lives, and I just

1470
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: I look up to you, I admire you, and we

1471
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: all do so.

1472
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: Again, thank you for spending your time with us.

1473
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 7: Oh, thank you so much.

1474
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1475
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 7: We'll see you.

1476
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: Again, all right.

1477
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 7: Hi.

1478
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 5: It's so funny because like my I mean, she's obviously beautiful,

1479
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 5: but my crush on her was always talent based. Yeah,

1480
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 5: it's always about her acting. So to hear her talk

1481
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 5: about like how she didn't know what she was doing

1482
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 5: or whatever, it's so funny because of all the kid

1483
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: actors around us, or the teen actors around us, she

1484
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 5: always stood out for me as somebody who was so

1485
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 5: talented and so uh clearly leagues above like most of

1486
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 5: the teens that I, you know, considered my peers or

1487
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 5: people around us. And uh and and yet and then

1488
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 5: I have so much respect for her for leaving and

1489
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 5: having the confidence to be like, nope, I can do

1490
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 5: something completely different and my self worth is not going

1491
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 5: to be determined by, you know, my public perception of

1492
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 5: me continuing to be an actor. I think that's so healthy.

1493
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, the thing that stood out for me

1494
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 3: when I used to watch her. Of course she was

1495
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 3: cute and all that kind of stuff. But and it's

1496
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 3: so funny to now talk to all of these child actors.

1497
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 3: The thing that stood out for me was she came

1498
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 3: off as so comfortable right, and so comfortable and confident

1499
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: in her skin and knew what she was doing. And

1500
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 3: to hear that she didn't feel that way at all

1501
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: is just amazing. When you keep doing these stories.

1502
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: You know when you're when like, she was obviously so instinctual,

1503
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 2: she knew what she was doing. She came across so natural,

1504
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: and it's because she was just doing it based on instinct.

1505
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 2: But I remember, I remember, and she probably felt very

1506
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: much the same way. I remember being surrounded by people

1507
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: who studied the craft and working with directors who were like,

1508
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 2: have you done theater in New York?

1509
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like.

1510
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 5: My overwhelming sensation was that every nobody took acting seriously,

1511
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 5: and like I remember always being like, why are these

1512
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 5: people working? Like they're horrible? Like constantly, I just remember

1513
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 5: being like, if I could pick out like other kid,

1514
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 5: because I guess the thing is everybody you know. At

1515
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 5: the at a young age, it felt like everybody wanted

1516
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 5: to be an actor, everybody thought they could do it,

1517
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 5: and you could easily pick out the kids who were

1518
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 5: just there because their parents were forcing them to do it,

1519
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 5: the kids who were there because they just wanted to

1520
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 5: be in front of the camera and on TV but

1521
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 5: actually had no talent. And then the people like Stacy

1522
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: who would be like, oh, you're actually an actor, and like,

1523
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 5: I felt like the vast majority nobody talked about acting

1524
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 5: class or acting. I guess you're right, maybe directors, but

1525
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 5: I know, I always forge.

1526
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: I was also a lot around a lot of actors

1527
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: that were in very serious acting classes and were always

1528
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: taking acting class and doing or doing theater on the side,

1529
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 2: like doing and then you know, also as we've talked

1530
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: about in the summers, like oh I go and I

1531
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: do a film every summer, and just people who like

1532
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: really were doing it full time. And for me it

1533
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 2: felt very much like this is really fun and I

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Speaker 2: love being here, but like, can I go back to

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Speaker 2: high school too? Like I have a football game tonight, right,

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Speaker 2: And so she may have also felt looking at the

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Speaker 2: people around her or who were going to and she

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Speaker 2: felt like I don't I don't have real technique. I

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Speaker 2: you know, it's obviously an unfounded She was so talented,

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Speaker 2: but she felt like she like it was just too

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Speaker 2: difficult and she couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: But that's also why somebody like her does three shows.

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Speaker 3: That's why back in the day, Charlie Coorsmo was in

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Speaker 3: every movie that came out, is because you'd be a

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Speaker 3: child actor who was good, and she was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: we're just going to keep casting you and stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that doesn't translate to being an adult actor

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Speaker 5: at all.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 5: I have the exact same realization that she had, which

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Speaker 5: was not I wouldn't say it was necessarily technique and

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Speaker 5: more training, and it was also just recognizing the lifestyle

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Speaker 5: of an actor like that you have to be comfort uh,

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Speaker 5: not caring about the quality of the project you're in,

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Speaker 5: committing one hundred percent no matter what. Also not caring

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Speaker 5: about the quality of your audition, but committing one hundred percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: being okay with that rejection, being okay with like inconsistency

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Speaker 5: and working and inconsistentcy like. She called it a den

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Speaker 5: of iniquity, which is funny, but I also think it's

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Speaker 5: a den of inequality. It's a weird wad in the

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Speaker 5: sense that people fail upwards, like really untalented people continue

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Speaker 5: to work, and then people that have incredible talent never

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Speaker 5: get work, so the sense of that, you know, whereas

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Speaker 5: like if you're in a DA's office, you work hard,

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Speaker 5: you get rewarded, You study, you get rewarded. You know,

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Speaker 5: they say this is the bar, this is the bar.

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Speaker 5: And like she said, your reputation is built on your

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Speaker 5: actual abilities, you know, whereas in the entertainment industry it's

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Speaker 5: built on uh, you know, people having heard that you

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Speaker 5: almost got this part, so then they offer you another

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Speaker 5: part without ever auditioning you. And then you can build

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Speaker 5: a whole career out of smoke and mirrors. And that's

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Speaker 5: it's really infuriating and frustrating, you know, to be a

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Speaker 5: part of it's a crazy business.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure is well, thank you all for joining us

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