1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, Luck and Load from. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: Michael Vari Show is on the air live rob Television 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: SETI at Hollywood. 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to the story about a man Na. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: The mountain near bat has really focused on the cartels 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: and international narco terrorists, and we've been talking about the 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: Venezuelan state, which is a Narco state. But you know what, 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: I found it troubling for years that we were involved 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: in a forever war for twenty years in Afghanistan. And 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: one of the reasons is, well, they sent heroin here, 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: they traffic drugs, and of course we saw Americans dying 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: at a pace that was so disturbing, and it was 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: supposedly one of the reasons to prevent the these illicit 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: drugs from entering our streets and killing our people. And 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: President Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: has always been, if you're concerned about drugs in America's streets, 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: it's the cartels. 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I read. 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: An interview with a CIA officer several years ago and 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: he said, let me tell you the difference between the 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: cartels and everything else. If you speak ill of Trump, 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: if you speak ill of Peutin. If you speak ill 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: of Zelenski or the Chinese or North Korea, then you 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: just don't go to their country, and you'll be fine. 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: If you speak ill of the cartels, they're on your 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: street in America. They have so infiltrated America. They are 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: the most dangerous threat to America. There is far more 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: violence by the cartels in Mexico than there is the 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Hutis in South Yemen or any group of insurgents in Iraq, 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: or the Taliban or ISIS or l Shabab or anything else, 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: and yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now. 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: So we wanted an expert on the issue, and so 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: the name who came to our attention is a senior 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundation and their initiative, 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: which is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: Foundation's head went on to be the head of the 37 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: some think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: for war or a place where failed politicians go to 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: retire in cash in for a while. They do serious work, 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran, 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: both as an enlisted soldier and as a commissioned officer, 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: a unique thing you don't see that often. He's been 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon leader on 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: Operation lone Star, Adjoint Military Laenforcement operation to enhance border 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: security and public safety in Texas. He's serious about our 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: border security, particularly as it relates to the cartels. 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, sir for having me. 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: So let's talk about how bad the threat is from 52 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: the cartels, and how much of that is coming across 53 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: the border in trucks and buses and cars, and how 54 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: much of that is walking across the border, how much 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: of that is seaborn and all the various ways that 56 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: and guns as well. 58 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, I'm going to go back to one of 59 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: your first statements in regards to Afghanistan. So in twenty eighteen, 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: after the Taliban controlled or contested about six percent of 61 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: the districts in Afghanistan, right, and that was enough quote 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: unquote justification for us to keep our military perpetually engaged there, right, 63 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: But if you looked actually at a map, there was 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: a map that was leaked in out of Mexico from 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: the military department there in twenty nineteen that showed that 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: the Mexican cartels at that time controlled fifty seven point 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: five percent of the populated areas, and then we're in 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: contestant with the Mexican military and also federal authorities in 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: twenty three point three percent of the rest of the areas. 70 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: That means that the federal government only had control over 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: nineteen percent of their country. And yet we actually didn't 72 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: do anything at that time period. In twenty nineteen, if 73 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: you remember, the Mormons from massacred in Mexico, and there 74 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: were a lot of talks about desneting the Mexican cartels 75 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: as foreign terish organizations. However, unfortunately trade took precedent over security. 76 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: The cartels were never designated as such, and we signed 77 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: the US Mexico Canada Agreement, our foreign Trade Agreement for Churman, 78 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: and so fast forward to today. Unfortunately we really don't 79 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: know how much the cartels actually control of Mexico. There 80 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: was the current party that currently exists, I mean that 81 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: is currently in charge of Mexico as the Marina Party 82 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: led by Sean Bawn and the president. However, one of 83 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: their deputies, Hugo Flores, came out about a month ago 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: and stated that seventy percent of the politicians in the 85 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: government is controlled by the cartels and so, and that's 86 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: actually part of their current regime or their party coming 87 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: out and making that bold statement. So here we sit 88 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: today and we discuss about what is coming into our streets, 89 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 3: how they're getting it into our streets. What's interesting is 90 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: if you go to Texas, it's going to be very 91 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: different than if you go to stay like California, Arizona 92 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: and Mexico, where they actually have national defense areas long 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: and border that pe hex Death was given charge to 94 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: take control over and secure and obtain operations to control 95 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: of those areas. However, in Texas, over ninety percent of 96 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: our southern border is actually private property, and so those 97 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: national defense areas can only cover about sixty some miles 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: in Olpasso, roughly the Rio Grande River. The coast Guard 99 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: is down there, but only on the river, not inland land, 100 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 3: and so the rest of it is just wide open, 101 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: and much like Afghanistan, since cartels are foreign terarish organizations, 102 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: they control the population in Mexico. They do it through 103 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: a high level of violence. In fact, they are the 104 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: fourth most violent country in the world right now. That 105 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though it 106 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: is a conflict as declared by Scrumpi said that it's 107 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: a non international armed conflict. But they're the fourth most 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: violent country in the world. But on our side, you're 109 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: not going to really see that. You're going to see 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: that the cartels are very very intelligent and that they 111 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: utilize every other non kinetic or asymmetric means to control 112 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: the areas so that they can distribute their commodities throughout 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: the United States. And so along the southern border they 114 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: do it through a coercion or corruption. And so here 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: you imagine you or anyone in your audience is a 116 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: rancher face, like a seventh generational Texan rancher, and you're 117 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: there on the southern border. You have the cattle or 118 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: whatever you have, and the border patrol or the military 119 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: has to get permission to either build a wall, put 120 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: up a tech any tech apparatus to try to obtain 121 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: domain awareness or operation of security on the border and 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you, 123 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: as a landowner an auction. You can either go against 124 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: the cartels by allowing the federal governments to put whatever 125 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 3: they need your on your property, or you work both. 126 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: You work at cartel and which force. 127 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: The world as we know, Michael end of the world, Mexico. 128 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: Annon Blair is our guest. He's with the Texas Public 129 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: Policy Foundation, and this issue does not go away anytime soon. 130 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: I believe that this is one of President Trump's top priorities, 131 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: and I believe that he is one of the few 132 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: individuals in either party who is serious about solving it. 133 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: And that is that one of the most powerful criminal organizations, 134 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: and I don't just mean in terms of on paper 135 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: or a sophisticated cyber element. I mean actual muscle. Actual 136 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is our 137 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them. 138 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: Emmen, I had to cut you off. 139 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: You were talking about these farmers and they're given a 140 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: choice basically pitch in with the government or pitch in 141 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: with the cartels. And talk about what a conundrum that 142 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: is for those folks. 143 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: It's real. 144 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: It's real. I mean those are of you who are 145 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: veterans of the global war ontaris and whether you're in 146 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Iraq refinissance, you realize that when you going into an 147 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: area and you speak either with the tribal elder or 148 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: or what have you, and you're discussing them with like 149 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: a key leader engagement as what you call them, and 150 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: you're like, you're you're talking with them about bringing in 151 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: you know, the reconstruction platforms and whatnot, and in security, 152 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, like if you 153 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: cannot secure their village, if you cannot secure the people, 154 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: then of course they're going to choose the Taiban. Same 155 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: thing on the board. If we cannot secure or protect 156 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: our citizens from any incursions from the Mexican cartels, then 157 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: they're going to choose the cartels. Then you mentioned something 158 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: that they're they're very powerful. We can pick that down 159 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: a little bit. They control our airspace. What I mean 160 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: by that is just a new real Grand Valley alone. 161 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: This last ciscal year, they had over forty thousand from 162 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: Joan incursionments and we just hosted over the Department War 163 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 3: just hosted seven days ago a symposium to try to 164 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: figure out how to counter uas given the current consumer 165 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: off the shelf products that are readily available that we 166 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: now see like in the Ukraine Russian war and on 167 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: our southern border. Well many also don't realize is that 168 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: the Mexican cartels also went and fought for Ukraine and 169 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: to learn Joane warfare, to learn the latest and so 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: what we're seeing now. If you if you want to 171 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: see the Ukraine battlefund, all you have to do is 172 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: go to Mexico because they're now utilizing a lot of 173 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: the same technology, the same drones, and in fact, they're 174 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: utilizing fiber optic drones in Mexico now, so that we 175 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: cannot take them down with electronic warfare. It has to 176 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: be taken down kinetically. So that's just one aspect. 177 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: Gematically is a word that means our suns would be 178 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: boots on the ground getting shot at, right. 179 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: It kinetically also means like if you want to take 180 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: down Journey, gonn have shoot it down. I don't know 181 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: how good you guys are at You know, maybe if 182 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: you go dove hunting and you got there and how 183 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: good you are dove hunting. But this drone, these drones, 184 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: especially first person drones can operate at such a speed 185 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: that it's almost impossible to shoot them down. And that's why, 186 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: like the shotgun is a preferred method as that it 187 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: can spray you know the bucks Hutton, and so it's 188 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: very difficult. And also given our laws, we're not allowed 189 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: especially in law Texas law enforcement or Texas Military Department 190 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: are not allowed to share in the home. It takes 191 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: a lot of authority and authorizations to for us to 192 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: shoot down or take down or drone. And so a 193 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: lot of these drones are going unimputed and they have 194 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: counter uas capabilities as well. The same stuff that you're 195 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: seeing in Ukraine battlefront is what you're now seeing in Mexico. 196 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: And so they've taken down or drones both connecting by 197 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: shooting one down or by using electronic warfare and so 198 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: and then communications, but the cartails are powerful. They they 199 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: are in sixty five other countries. In order to communicate 200 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: across the globe for six direct countries, you must have 201 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: military grade communication systems, and that is what they have 202 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: as well as the spyware anything that the country of 203 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: Mexico receives. Because the Mexican cartails are embedded at the 204 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: subnational level, all the ways in the national level, any 205 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: spyware that the Mexican government receives or purchases, the cartels 206 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: now have. Therefore, since Mexico purchased Pegasus from Israel, the 207 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: cartels have access to Pegasus. And and so when you 208 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: look at all these uh military level great equipment, whether 209 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 3: that's telecommunications, fiber across every domain, air land speed as 210 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: they're utilizing uh dug Narco submarines that are now uh 211 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 3: main German by themselves, and self driving. And so when 212 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: you're when you're seeing this level of technology, and then 213 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: you realize they don't have any bureaucracy or red tape 214 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: and go through in order to make those purchases. They 215 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: can also three D print the drones. We have a 216 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: very large issue. And then when it comes to personnel, 217 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: like you said that farmer or rancher on the border. 218 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: There's a recent study in Mexico that showed that the 219 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: cartels are the fifth largest employer in Mexico. Now, when 220 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: we think about in the US, how many people does 221 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 3: it take to move millions of in the aliens across 222 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 3: the United States? How many nodes in every state, in 223 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: every city, in every neighborhood. Does it take to move 224 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: a human being? Wow, to tommute a new narcotic, to 225 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 3: launder money, to do all forms of illicit ilicit goods? 226 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: How many people resources, vehicles, dash houses? And you then 227 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: realize when you break it down like that, that just 228 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: as you said, they're just as the CIA officer told 229 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: you before. But it's not a Mexico problem. It's not 230 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: even a border problem. They're at your front door. And unfortunately, 231 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: if you've been a victim of poisoning from opioids, they're 232 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: in your house. 233 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I can't tell you. Emmon Blair is 234 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: our guest. 235 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, where he is 236 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: a senior Fellow on the initiative known as Secure and 237 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: Sovereign Nation. It's it has affected so many Middle America families. 238 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: You know. 239 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: It's it's a suburban white kid problem. It's an inner 240 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: city black kid problem. It's a first generation Hispanic kid problem. 241 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: We've seen Indian kids who were valic dorn of their 242 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: class overdosing on fentanyl and it's literally the first time 243 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: they try it and they think it's a piece of candy, 244 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: and their buddy says, you know you're a nerd. Stop 245 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: being a nerd. Try this and it's literally the first 246 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: drug they've tried. And you know, I wouldn't normally believe that, 247 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: but law enforced monsters tell me it's absolutely true. A 248 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: drug the size of a tip of a pin can 249 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: be enough to. 250 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Do the damage. And it's. 251 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: A frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid, 252 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: you only get one shot at that and the ability 253 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: to do. 254 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,359 Speaker 1: This kind of damage is horrifying. 255 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Emmon Blair is our guest Senior Fellow for the Texas 256 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: Public Policy Foundation. 257 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain 258 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: scared the death of you, and they remain scared to 259 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: death of true to Michael Barry shows, You're not going anywhere. 260 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: The cartels have become a major focus of the Trump administration, 261 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: and I think rightfully so, I find it interesting that 262 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: politicians campaign on the basis that drugs are this big 263 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: of a problem and that we need to just say no. 264 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: Under the regular administration, we need to deal with the 265 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: drugs on our streets and the drug dealers and the listen, 266 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: drugs are a big, big business. And anything that becomes 267 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: a big business, whether that be the pharmaceutical desire to 268 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: become billionaires off of a shot that the government requires 269 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: you take or you lose your job and the taxpayers 270 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: end up paying for, or whether it becomes drugs, or 271 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: the trafficking of children, which I think is also big, 272 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: or the trafficking of guns, but the trafficking of all 273 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: of them through a sophisticated business network. The important thing 274 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: to understand is that the cartels are not Goober's and Dupesis. 275 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: They're very, very sophisticated. 276 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Emman if you could talk about their business processes, because 277 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I've had CI officers 278 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: tell me that you wouldn't believe these guys. People have 279 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: this impression of this, you know, rag tag Mexican organization. 280 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: No, no, these guys are sharp. 281 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. So if your listeners can go and watch the 282 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: Narcos and you'll see how like Pablo esc Bar in Colombia, right, 283 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: and how he was super violent. Right. But many people 284 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: don't talk about the Cali Cartel, which was also in 285 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 3: that scene and also traffic cocaine, and cartel utilized counterintelligence. 286 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: They actually had a supercomputer and they utilized counter intelligence, 287 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: and they're the population to these the population to conduct 288 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: counter intelligence on the entire population, their law enforcement every 289 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: measure against them, and and so fast forward to today, 290 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: the Mexican cartels inside the United States have taken that 291 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: same counterintelligence model. They operate in every one of our 292 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: every one of our neighborhoods, in every one of our communities. However, 293 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 3: they do sell through intermediaries, dub contractors and contractors. What 294 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: do I mean by that? While they need a degree 295 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: of separation. Whenever our law enforcement catches somebody that it 296 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: never goes back to Mexico. And so the Mexican cartels 297 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: as I as like, imagine how many people it would 298 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 3: take to move their products across the United States. Mexican 299 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: cartels set up nodes or a cell infrastructure just like 300 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: isis would. In these cells, they are completely compartmentalized and 301 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: meaning they're blocked off from any other of the other operations. 302 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: Then the Mexican cartels will try to either utilize their 303 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: illegally and thean population as they are beholden to them 304 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: and they are so objects to the cartels because they 305 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: are indebted to them as servants or slaves, or they'll 306 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: utilize American citizens, which is even a better cover because 307 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: when you go after the when you say like you 308 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: go and like here in Houston recently, we had forty 309 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: one people indicted by the Cartel Holisk in the New 310 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: Generation for narcotics trafficking one because of the car of 311 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: how the cartels operate and how they have so many 312 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: degrees of separation. The investigation took sixty two months. We 313 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: indicted over forty only twenty three were apprehended and then 314 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: they were bailed and bonded out. And none of them 315 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 3: were actually quote unquote Cartel Holisk and New Generation members. 316 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: They were all intermediaries, contractors, and subcontractors. So the people 317 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: that are behind the scenes as puppet masters orchestrating the 318 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: entire illesit illicit tra aid, orchestrating this gray zone conflict 319 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: within our own communities and within the United States, are 320 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: doing so within their own the comfort to their own 321 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: home inside of Mexico also protected by the Mexican government. 322 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: And they're able to do that because of the They 323 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: literally built a kind of like their own Belton Road Initiative, 324 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: the logistics supply chain, just like what the CCP does 325 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: across the world. The PRC, the People's Republic of China 326 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: does across the world, where they have their own Belton 327 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: Road initiative. The cartels have been doing this since the 328 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, have built the entire infrastructure in supply chain 329 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: to move anything they want inside the United States completely, 330 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: make it completely compartmentalized, and then move all proceeds and 331 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: funds through Chinese banking systems so that we can't even 332 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: track it. And so that is why it's so difficult. 333 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: If you look today, since the Trumpertanenthry has disney to 334 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: the matter's foreign terras organizations, there's only been three indictments 335 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: so far against the Mexican cartels for material support of 336 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: foreign terais organizations. That is how difficult it is. Once 337 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: a local law enforcement, a state law enforcement, or someone 338 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: else arrests the low hanging fruit of those that are 339 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: either running the drugs, selling jugs in the streets or whatnot, 340 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: because they have completely compartmentalized every entire every part of 341 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: their system. That's why it takes five years of worth 342 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: of investigations to try to indict someone. 343 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, and to talk about your central point, which is 344 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: the most frightening of them all. The idea that I 345 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: think you said seventy percent of law enforcement is in 346 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: the employee of the cartels. And and you know, you 347 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: see this particularly in countries where law enforcement is so 348 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: underpaid vis a v. Their neighbors there, and where corruption 349 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: as a culture is more tolerated than it is here. 350 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: And you don't have your IAD departments in your local 351 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: police and you don't have your your audit and internal 352 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: investigation departments where there is a fear of what might happen. 353 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: It's horrifying. 354 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: It's horrifying to think that there's no one from the 355 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 2: state representing the people to put a stop on this, 356 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: and that the people who've been put in that position 357 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: are working against you. So the taxpayers are paying for 358 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: the very people enabling this. And by the way, I 359 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: think we're seeing this today in the United States, where 360 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: you're getting the mayor of actually today itself, the Mayor 361 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: of Minnesota, of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, saying that the Minneapolis 362 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: police will not assist ice and that they will work 363 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: against them. We've seen that with the mayor of Chicago. 364 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: And this is how this is how communities and countries fall, 365 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: and this is how criminal elements fill that gap. And 366 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: that's what I find incredibly just disturbing about all of 367 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: this is that we see the tendencies here because as 368 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: you noted that the cartels are not idiots, they're very smart, 369 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: and a lot of people, the avarice within a person 370 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: who intended to do well takes over and they realize, Hey, 371 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: if the cop beside me is taking bribes, and the 372 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: cop beside me on this side's taking bribes, and they 373 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: can afford boats and cars and nice things, and I can't, 374 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: and no one seems to care that I'm the honest guy, 375 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: I'm the the odd man out because of it, then 376 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: why wouldn't I take bribes? Well, over a period of time, 377 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: it becomes that even the best of cops, with the 378 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: best of intentions are being bought out by the cartels. 379 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: And that's where I think there's no way to fix it, because. 380 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: Even people now, the person who wants to fix it 381 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: on Thursday, well as of Monday, he was compromised, so 382 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: to fix it would also expose him. And then I 383 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: think you end up in a situation like that where 384 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: it becomes almost an unfixable loop. We'll continue our conversation 385 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: for one final segment with Ammon Blair, who is the 386 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: Senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundations Secure and 387 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: Sovereign Nation Initiative. I'm going to start with the question 388 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: if the cartel mobilizes as an army, and if you 389 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 2: could get them to work together, because they do, like 390 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 2: the Afghan tribes, fight against each other. But if you 391 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: could get them to work together as an army, how 392 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: powerful are they in terms of firearms and training and execution? 393 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: What a maroon. 394 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: An. 395 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: We've been talking about a subject that has interested President 396 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 2: Trump and he has made a top priority, and that 397 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: is dealing with criminal organizations coming into this country. Organizations 398 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 2: that are not just outside government, but have some level 399 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: of at least tacit involvement, if not funding or approval 400 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: by the government. We know that Venezuela is at the 401 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: top of his list today as an arco state, but 402 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: Mexico has to be dealt with. They share a common 403 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: border from Texas to California. They are the gateway through 404 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: which people land to make their way into the United States. 405 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: They share the border that we most have to close, 406 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: not the sole border, but the border we most have 407 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: to close. And the cartel's activity in that country is 408 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: killing Americans trafficking children, women, drugs, guns. Emmin Blair is 409 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: our guest today, the senior fellow for the Texas Policy 410 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: Foundations Secure and Sovereign Nation Initiative. Let me ask you, Ammon, 411 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: as I teased going into the break, if they organized 412 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: and could work together as an army to confront our 413 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: military forces, how powerful are they because I know they 414 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: have I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this. 415 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of 416 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: warriors with training, with all sorts of of armaments. 417 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: But speak to that if you would, sure A great question. 418 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they're not. It's capable, of course, 419 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: as in the US, but they could completely take over 420 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: multiple countries in the Western Hemisphere. And they're choosing Nazi 421 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 3: because they are part of the government. Now, if it 422 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: were ever to come down to it where the federal 423 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: government can tried to completely separate ties with them, kind 424 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: of like what we had like in the eighties nineties 425 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: in Columbia where they worked for that actually worked with 426 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: the US government to eradicate Pablo Escobar, you know, the 427 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: Mediane cartel. And if that were the case, it's already 428 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: been proven that even one cartel like Cartel Holiscon Generation 429 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen took down a helicopter, took out the military. 430 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 3: And then in twenty nineteen on Black Thursday, the Sinaloa 431 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 3: Cartel took out the military in law enforcement and in 432 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: Sinaloa and improved and then made Ammo bend Nie and 433 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: it proved that just one cartel could take out then. 434 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: And just like we learned in insertaencies worldwide, if you 435 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 3: can control the population, really can control that movement. And 436 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: as I said about, they're the fifth largest employer inside 437 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: of Mexico, that includes all those that are cultivating their 438 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: narcotics and everyone else, their engineers, their cicca audios, they're 439 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: foot soldiers, their white collar folk that are hanging the finances, 440 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 3: lawyers and you name it. And so they are. They 441 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 3: would be able to be like a nation state in 442 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: terms of as they have everything that is needed to 443 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: take on other foreign countries. They already have the intelligence 444 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: apparatuses in the spyware, they already have the telecommunication systems, 445 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: they already have the personality equipment of money. They have 446 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: more money than a majority of countries, and they and 447 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 3: their procurement process and their learning process can be expedited 448 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: since they don't have bureaucracy or rules, no rules of engagement. 449 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: The only rules of engagement as it stands now is 450 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: they don't want the full force the military on Mexico 451 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: because we would crush them. And so that is why 452 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 3: inside of the US they do everything what we call 453 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 3: a raison conflict, everything below the threshold of war. And 454 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: because US as Americans have such a misunderstanding of what 455 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 3: the term war means, we have a problem with either 456 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: taking out cartels in the Caribbean when they're conducting actual 457 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: drug warfare in the United States. And so, because of 458 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 3: our lack of understanding why actually what war is, they're 459 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: already in a war with us. They're they're enacting drug 460 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: warfare as a hybrid threat network with the CCP and 461 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: with other like with the Hakani network. They have ties 462 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: with Hebela, and then because they're ties with Venezuela, they 463 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: now have ties with I ran the country itself in Russia. 464 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: In fact, there are a lot of Russian delegates in Mexico, 465 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: and in fact, Harvard did a study on that just 466 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: recently on is the spy network place of residency is 467 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: now Mexico, and so their level of power and control 468 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: to take out other nation states is completely is completely accurate. 469 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: Now can they do that with us? Well, they be 470 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 3: able to do it in certain ways. They'll be able 471 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: to probably do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to 472 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: place a lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic 473 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: that they sold and gave that command to the street 474 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: pedlars like the bloods in the crypts, to them thirteen 475 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: to every one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries, 476 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 3: that everything they produce or push out must have a 477 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: lethal dose. Then, since they also control the agricultural trade, 478 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: they control all forms of agriculture. Every avocado you eat, 479 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating 480 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: a blood avocado. The cartel's control completely control their agricultural trade, 481 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: from avocados, lines to the cattle, and so all they 482 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: would have to do, since they already mixed crystal meth 483 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: or cocaine in the loads when they come across with 484 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try to 485 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: hide it, all they would have to do is put 486 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: lethal doses in every one of the produce, parritos, you 487 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: name it, everything that's coming across at a ports of entry, 488 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: and they could have mass genoside. Just as he said earlier, 489 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: just that little speckle piece of sentinel the size of 490 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: the end of your pan or pencil could kill someone. 491 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: Imagine if that was in everything, everything that we imported 492 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: from the state of Mexico, it would be mass genocide. 493 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: And so in terms of guns and firepower and tanks 494 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 3: and other communications, yeah, they do have that, and they 495 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: get that from the Guatemala military or Russia or whoever 496 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: supplying their arms and weapons and as well as straw 497 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: purchases in the US. When you look at all the 498 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, if 499 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: they can utilize anything a weapon, as what China talks 500 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine where anything can be 501 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game. 502 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This 503 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: is a threat that we need to take very seriously, 504 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult 505 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: confrontation because they're not going to go lightly, especially because 506 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: this is big business and when you have this many 507 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: billion dollars at play. People have a lot of resources, 508 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: and they're not simply going to go quietly into the 509 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: good night. They like their money, they worked hard to 510 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: earn it, and they're going to protect it. And there 511 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: is no value to human life of anyone who gets 512 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: in their way. Emmon Blair, thank you for your time, 513 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: good sir, And thank you to state representative and congressional 514 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm 515 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: very interested in the work you're doing on this subject, 516 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: and I hope you continue. It's very very import Thank you, 517 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: good sir. 518 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 519 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate your support for the show, and 520 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: we appreciate your suggestions as to people who are interesting 521 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: to talk to. 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