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Speaker 2: He's a five time Grammy nominee, multi instrumentalist, which we

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Speaker 3: He does it all musically. It's Hunter Hayes.

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Speaker 2: He's been doing this since he was a small kid

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Speaker 2: first number one in twenty twelve with Wanted, which we

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Speaker 2: Get tickets at Hunterhayes dot com. Here he is Hunter Hayes.

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Speaker 2: H Good to see you, man, to see you, man.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to remember the last time.

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Speaker 2: So I was playing and you may not remember this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree, especially at Nashville

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Speaker 1: One song a week that's fifty two probably three years worth.

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Speaker 1: Because you also couldn't do christ As time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Did you leave Nashville for a while?

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Speaker 1: I did?

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Speaker 3: Did you move or did you just go away?

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Speaker 1: I just kind of went away. I just tried did

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, I never took a day off.

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Speaker 3: Was looking some stuff up on you. So my algorithm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and i'd all I ever wanted.

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Speaker 2: I had never seen the video of you. I don't

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Speaker 2: can't see before that. Do you remember stuff at four some?

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00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

441
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: Which was it with the one with Hank Williams? It

442
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 1: was on a stage, Yeah, yes, it was Hank Williams

443
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 1: coach first nineteen nineteen ninety seven. It was outside, right,

444
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 1: it was outside Texas Motor Speedway. I barely remember that. Well,

445
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: here's what I remember. I remember Leon Rhymes and Brian

446
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: White were there, and I was a huge Brian White

447
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 1: fan and Leon Rimes fan at four at.

448
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: Five or six y okay, oh, I don't know how

449
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: old you are, so you're five or six at this point, yeah,

450
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,360
Speaker 2: got it.

451
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 1: So I say it was I need to say I

452
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 1: am a Brian White fan and always have been. And

453
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,239
Speaker 1: Leon Rymes was there, an Travis Trupp was there and

454
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 1: I loved like his rock and roll approach to music.

455
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: And Hank was there, and that's and Charlie Daniels was there,

456
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: and so I remember. I remember the catering tent because

457
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: they were they were doing like acoustic sets, and I

458
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: was like, this is weird. And you know, now, having

459
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: done thousand of them, I understand that now. I remember

460
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: standing side stage and my dad gave me some sharpies

461
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: to play drums to keep me busy while I was

462
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: waiting for my little, my little moment on stage, and

463
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: I broke every sharpie that he gave me, so there

464
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: was ink everywhere on the accordion case. I don't remember

465
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: being on stage at all. I don't know how you could,

466
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 1: but I remember being around. I also remember there was

467
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: a little racetrack in the in the field earlier that

468
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: day with lawnmowers, and you could race lawnmowers. They obviously

469
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: didn't have blades, but those are the things that I

470
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: remember about that. I also remember the hotel room. You

471
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: could look out and see the festival grounds, Texas Motor

472
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: Speedway and this giant area with hundreds of There were

473
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty thousand people there during Hank's set.

474
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what that part was like, because

475
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: I was that was a out of body experience as

476
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: much as you can have one when you know were.

477
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 3: Your parents musical? No, that's crazy. Then how did they

478
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 3: know you were so musical?

479
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question, I should ask them. I

480
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: don't know, my hm, I have no idea.

481
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: Because the legend of Hunter Hayes is you're a small child.

482
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: And the legend, wow, that's well because people don't start

483
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: playing instruments at four. Yeah, because that's I guess when

484
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: they say you started, When do you say you started?

485
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: Well, so here's what I do know, and I don't

486
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: remember any of this either, but the stories that I've

487
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: heard from my mom and my grandmother consistently, I had

488
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: a babysitter who watched a TV program with live music,

489
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: and also we were always like every restaurant in Louisiana

490
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: for a while, and still to this day, a large

491
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: percentage have live music every night, bands everywhere, their festivals

492
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: every weekend. So there's a lot. There's a huge music scene, right,

493
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: all kind of Cajun centric, Cajun zotiko. So I think

494
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: my babysitter noticed that I was picking things up around

495
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: the house and making instruments out of them, and she suggested,

496
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: I think to my grandmother, you should get them on accordion,

497
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: And my grandmother got me a toy accordion for my

498
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: second birthday.

499
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 3: That's the first instrument someone suggests they get a kid

500
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: an accordion.

501
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: I know, Wow, I know, And how I got here,

502
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Heaven only knows.

503
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: So when you learn the accordion, you have to learn

504
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: the keys.

505
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not chromatic. It doesn't make any sense. Still

506
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: to this day, I don't understand the scale.

507
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: Was that your first instrument the accordion? And who taught

508
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: you the accordion?

509
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: I allegedly I learned. I just listened to the radio

510
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 1: and just picked up certain songs that were easy enough

511
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: to play. You know, a lot of the melodies and

512
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: Cajun music, accordion melodies are kind of one or two

513
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: notes max, so it's like a lead line. So if

514
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: you can hum it, you can probably play it. And

515
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: I think that's what my dad says. He heard me

516
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: play along to a song on the radio, and that

517
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: was kind of I just learned. It was by ear thing.

518
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: I didn't really have my little brain. I've learned so

519
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: much about my brain in the recent months, but lessons

520
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: were not something that were going to work for me.

521
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: I had no patience, my ADHD, etc. Yeah, I kind

522
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: of had to figure out everything on my own. I

523
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: figured that out on my own and everything since then

524
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: it's been just a I'll figure it out on my own.

525
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: Some people are born they can run fast. Some people

526
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: are born they have great vision. Like I'm pretty quick,

527
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: like my brain works quick.

528
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: You are, yeah, but yours.

529
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: Is very musical, Like there's a there's a really natural

530
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: element of music in your brain right that.

531
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you probably don't even know what it's like

532
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 3: to not know how to know music.

533
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: No, No, in fact, just you saying that scares the

534
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: shit out of me. No, I don't know, thank God.

535
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: Like I bought a chord sheet from Walmart because I

536
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: and I was in college and I thought I want

537
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: to play the guitar because I was doing comedy.

538
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 3: But I was just doing parody music. I was somebody else's.

539
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: Went to Walmart. I don't remember the big flaps. They

540
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: had the big flaps of the posters in it at Walmart. Yeah,

541
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: So I went through and I found a chord sheet.

542
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: I bought that, and I went home and I just

543
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: c c cc gggg d d, just the big chords

544
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: and I I did that. And I struggle because one

545
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: obviously hurt your fingers, but two I just don't have

546
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: a good ear like I still struggle finding like singing harmonies.

547
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: I can double somebody like crazy, I can't really sing

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: a harmony.

549
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: I don't have that in me.

550
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: Where you have an inate ability to hear and then

551
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: create based on your hearing espectually at four or five

552
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: years old?

553
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: Did that?

554
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: Did that happen with other instruments as well? Could you

555
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: pick up a guitar and hear the notes and go

556
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: I got it? Here are the chords as well.

557
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, and it kind of started my I

558
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: have to give credit my technically speaking. So my parents

559
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: weren't musical, aren't musical now. My mom for a year

560
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: decided that she was going to There was one summer

561
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: where she there were offering guitar lessons at her school,

562
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: and so she took two weeks of a guitar class

563
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: and she would come home every night and teach me

564
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: the chords. And she just you know, I mean she

565
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: was working two jobs, you know what I mean, she was.

566
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: She she never really picked it up again, and I

567
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: never put it down so like I did, Like there

568
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: are times when I have learned from I don't know

569
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: how to answer the question. I guess what I'm getting at.

570
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 3: It's gotta be so hard to be so elevated and

571
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: answer a dumb question. Though too, I don't mean that

572
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: in a way. No, that's really what I mean.

573
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: And that was my point with this, Like you don't

574
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: know what it's like to not know, because it's naturally

575
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: built inside you. Like somebody who runs fast, U they

576
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: naturally are able to do that. They can improve by working,

577
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: but they but you're not gonna make them slow.

578
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but that's just because you don't see

579
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: the times when when when they're struggling to figure it out.

580
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: I hear you, but not fully because an Olympic sprinter

581
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: doesn't know what even if they're slowest, they're still faster

582
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: than everybody else.

583
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: Like they're working to be.

584
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: In that margin of the point one percent to get better,

585
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, they got to do a lot of work

586
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: to get there, but you have to naturally have this

587
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: ability I feel.

588
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that.

589
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: Ever inhibits you because you don't know And I'm not

590
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: saying this be funny.

591
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: You don't know what it's like to like talk to

592
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: dumb guys about music.

593
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Well, I disagree, but I think because I've spent so

594
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: much time studying music and analyzing music, and I enjoy

595
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: that a lot of times the difficult for me, So

596
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: being my own producer, I love producing. It is so

597
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: much easier to like produce other people because I know

598
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: exactly what they want. Whereas for me, what is it

599
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: called decision part? Like, there's so there's so many options

600
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: and I hear things, and for me, when I hear something,

601
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: it means so many different things. There's depth to every

602
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: part on the album, and every sound that I choose

603
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: has a story. You know, people listening might not might

604
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: not even give a shit. So I think it took

605
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: me a while to like trust myself as a producer

606
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: because my analytical brain enjoys the details of it and

607
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: value use some parts of it that in the listening

608
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: experience might not necessarily come across.

609
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: I would say most doesn't to the general consumer. And

610
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: I mean this in a complimentary way, Like you're hearing

611
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: and seeing things so.

612
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: Different even in your own music. We're not going to

613
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: hear that.

614
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, which is great. I mean fine, it's like

615
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's the understanding. But that's just

616
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: being a good conversationalist, right, Like, that's just being able

617
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: to sit and say, what do you hear and listen?

618
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: Are you a genius?

619
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: That is such a bizarre question. What is I don't know.

620
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: The fact that you're struggling with that answer. I mean, yes, no,

621
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: you're being humble about it.

622
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: No, I'm struggling with that answer because for Christmas. Over Christmas,

623
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I got drunk and asked my parents about a test

624
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: that I took when I was a kid, and it

625
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: came out that I was in a book. You'll never

626
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: find it. My name's not in it, but I was

627
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: is in a book that studies like, you know, kids

628
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: that are very invested in their in their in their craft.

629
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: So no, I don't think that, And it's a weird

630
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: word to use when I need affirmation. For sure, I'll

631
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: put that in my journal and I'll be like, that's

632
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: the goal. But I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I

633
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: don't know that I see it that way.

634
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: You really don't.

635
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: You're not playing humble like a little bit. You have

636
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: to think musically, you're a genius because you're able to see, You're.

637
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Able to and if you spend enough time, if you've

638
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: spent as much time as I've spent with music, with anything,

639
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think you'd you'd probably, yeah, you'd you'd

640
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: probably feel very comfortable with your craft or with your tools,

641
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: with your art. Yeah, I think anybody. I think anybody.

642
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: I think everybody is really I don't.

643
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the instruments that you play proficiently, Okay,

644
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: because on the Internet says Hunter plays thirty instruments. Now,

645
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: if I say, man, you can crush thirty instruments, you're

646
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: gonna do that thing. Well, I played them all different levels.

647
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: What instrument do you play that somebody can just hand

648
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: you and you feel great about just going to.

649
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Town on it. Love being on an electric guitar, that's

650
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: your number one instrument? I'd say yeah, probably, okay, yeah,

651
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: electric guitar one. We're drafting instruments here.

652
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: Number two okay, piano. I love writing on a piano

653
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: because I could close my eyes and that is the

654
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: place where I feel flow the most was sitting at

655
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: a piano.

656
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: Number three.

657
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: Drums. I love playing drums.

658
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: Man.

659
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Every now and then my tracks will make it to

660
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: the album. Most of the time it's just the template,

661
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: but I love crafting the h and I also just

662
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: love when other people to hear other people's interpretations of

663
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the parts that I hear because it gives the album

664
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: so much more depth than when it's just one person.

665
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: But I love playing drums.

666
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: Do you ever just want to skate and go be

667
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: the drummer for a band for like six months?

668
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I had that. That's been a goal. That's

669
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: like a like I wouldn't say twenty percent right, like

670
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: the whole like twenty percent thing, but meaning like my

671
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: interpretation of it is just like here's something I really

672
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: want to do for fun. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm

673
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna dedicate twenty percent of my time to doing that.

674
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: But there have been bands that I've wanted to join

675
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: as a as a guitar player.

676
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

677
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

678
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: There's a guitar right there if you need it, and

679
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: it's tuned. Okay, great, he's grabbing the guitar. This is

680
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: what I now.

681
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: We're in my world where I just get to sit

682
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: back and enjoy the show.

683
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: So so, like Reharmy, I'm gonna do a terrible job.

684
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: All the musicians watching this are gonna roast man. That's fine.

685
00:31:51,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: So like if you know, so, that's a one six

686
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: four C A F. But you could also do uh,

687
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: you could do an A on the bass. You could

688
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: do an A. So you do a six on top

689
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: of the one.

690
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: So and that's what you like doing it? Three in

691
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: the morning, three yeah, yeah, yeah, I like watching Netflix.

692
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: You can just lay it right over there. It's fine, safe.

693
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah see we have yeah, different different minds for that yet. Okay,

694
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: so bass, thanks give me two more.

695
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Man. I love mandolin. It's upside down, meaning the string,

696
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: the tuning is. If you know how to play a guitar,

697
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable playing the guitar, playing a mandolin is

698
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: just like it's like doing a totally different workout.

699
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say crack. I thought you

700
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: were gonna say crack doing crack?

701
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, okay?

702
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: And I thought you stopped yourself. Were you gonna say

703
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: doing crack?

704
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I had not thought about Okay.

705
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know if that's where you

706
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: were going.

707
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Not yet, Okay, there's still time to think about that. Uh,

708
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: and I will on my drive home, but to think

709
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: about it, not do crack. No, no talk about it.

710
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, I have to drive. I am very

711
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: sober the no. I love mandlin because it's upside down

712
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: scale wise, so it's like it's a challenge to play

713
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: and uh and it just like it's made me more

714
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: just capable on guitar as well. It's made so much

715
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: easier because mandolin's nearly impossible. I mean I was, I'm

716
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: the huge punch Brothers sand so like I followed Chris

717
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: everywhere he's gone, Nickel Creek, etcetera.

718
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: So give me one more.

719
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: Steal.

720
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: Oh, that's cool.

721
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Steel bends your brain, dude, Like you play a chord.

722
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: First of all, there's no frets, so you're on your own.

723
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: You got you got the bar, right, and then like

724
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: every so every single thing that you can use to

725
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: like press, So there's petals, there's levers, and every single

726
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: muscle move changes one string in some kind of way.

727
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: So as you're hearing parts, it's a as somebody who

728
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: loves playing guitar, it's so challenging to know that here

729
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: my hands can't actually do anything other than like sliding

730
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: from one place to another. Everything else has to think.

731
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: My knees have to move, this foot has to press

732
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: this pedal and probably this pedal but also like there's

733
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: a volume pedal too. It's like it's the ultimate, like

734
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: sobriety test.

735
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: Did you ever try to play any wind instruments I have?

736
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? I really want to. I have failed miserably every

737
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: time I've grabbed a wind instrument and a violin. Funny enough,

738
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I struggled with those fretless things.

739
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: But you just said, still don't they do not have friends?

740
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Well a little different just because you do have like

741
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: fret lines, I think so that helps. But yeah, violin.

742
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, did you do normal school?

743
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: I did so, even as you were playing and you're

744
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: playing big shows and you were a much celebrated child,

745
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: you still went to normal school.

746
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I love a much celebrated child. That's a great book title.

747
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean I was. That was the rule

748
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: for for mom and dad. I really wanted to do

749
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: homeschool or travel. There was a family band I really

750
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: wanted to travel with. And they were like, listen, someday

751
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna thank us for this, but you're gonna keep

752
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: doing this, and and meaning like they were really adamant

753
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: that I have an experience that was that allowed me

754
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: to have community and consistency, and I'm really grateful for that,

755
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: even though all I wanted to do was run off

756
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: and you know, join the family band or like which

757
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm an only child, so I think part of that

758
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: was just wanting to have siblings. But yeah, school five

759
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: days a week and then and then there was one

760
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: point where my grade started slacking and Dad was like,

761
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: all right.

762
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

763
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: No more weekend, no more weeknight gigs, no more checking

764
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: out of school if we can't get to it after

765
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: school on Friday, or if it's not on a Saturday

766
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: or Sunday, then you can't do it. Wow.

767
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: Good for him?

768
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, good? Yeah, so I suppose you could say that, yeah,

769
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: I love it.

770
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: Good for good for him in the consistency.

771
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so regardless of how how you felt about it,

772
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: or even you feel about it now, at least he

773
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: was consistent with his message.

774
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 3: And I think that's where I say good for him

775
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: for sure.

776
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: And like there was a year where like, because you know,

777
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: all kind of one thing leads to another. I mean,

778
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: it is crazy to think about. It's crazy to tell

779
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: my story because obviously I've seen it from different different sides,

780
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: and I've seen all the different pieces and but and

781
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: there was a year starting, you know, we just said

782
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: yes to everything. I said yes to everything. I always

783
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: wanted to play music, and you know, it got to

784
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: a point where I was like fifteen or sixteen, and

785
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: we're playing you know, eighty shows a year, festivals, you know, clubs,

786
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: whatever I can get into. And there was definitely that

787
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: moment Dad sat me down at the beginning of one

788
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: of the years and he was like, listen, I just

789
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: want to make sure that this is what you want

790
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: to do. I want to make sure that you're doing

791
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: this because you you want to, and not because this

792
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: is you know, I'm using my words, but like not

793
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: but just because this is momentum and you're you know,

794
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: just doing it because you have to. And that was

795
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: the most miserable year of my life because I didn't

796
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: have any shows. That's everything for me. And you know,

797
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: the pandemic felt very similar. Worst year just because I

798
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't have any of the things that I loved. I

799
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: did have the studio and i'd had the songwriting sessions,

800
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and I had music that I could make, which saved me.

801
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, that one year. And but but again credit

802
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: to him, he was just like, I'm not booking anything

803
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: this year. He was disciplined about that.

804
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have a lot of friends growing up.

805
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: I was kind of a weird kid. Same, how was

806
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: junior high high school for you?

807
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Weird? I mean, I say, I say same. I have

808
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: to acknowledge, like I did have a small group of friends.

809
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: We were all I see them very much as all

810
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: very creative and very weird as well. And I think

811
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: that I loved that about all of them. I didn't

812
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: know how to connect with them. I was sort of

813
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: living this sort of double life at the time. You know,

814
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: the more I think about it, the more I'm like, yeah, okay,

815
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: they had a Montana like it was. It was it

816
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: was weekends and I was out with my band and

817
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: totally different group of people. And then I had school

818
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: and I had, you know, my friends.

819
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: So I was older too, right, everybody was older, Like

820
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: everybody was older.

821
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was grown ass adults. So I was kind

822
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: of like trying to fit in with grown ass adults.

823
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, so like I, I I think maybe because

824
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: of that I but also like I was an only child,

825
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: so I attended and music was such an addictive, happy

826
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: place and safe place that I think that that was.

827
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, the responsibility that I take is just that

828
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: I was if I couldn't figure something out, if it

829
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: was awkward trying to make friends or awkward trying to

830
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: be at parties or be social, I kind of always

831
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: had that to fall back on. I could. I always

832
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: look forward to going home and making music and I

833
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: still do.

834
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: Would that I used to do, Yeah, I don't. I

835
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: have trouble connecting with people in our social setting. Yeah,

836
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: and a setting like this, I'm great at it. But

837
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: as soon as the microphones go away and the cameras

838
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: go away, and it's just supposed to happen organically.

839
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: I'm really bad at it.

840
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: And maybe I've manifested that by always thinking and saying

841
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm really bad.

842
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: At it too, right, I think there's something to that.

843
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

844
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: If I had a tool, though, like a guitar and

845
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: we were just at a group of people or a piano,

846
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: I would go sit down at the piano and I

847
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: would just rip out some music and use that. Did

848
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: you ever use that in those situations? Or take a

849
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: guitar to a party so you could have that?

850
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: No?

851
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, did you go to parties at all?

852
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: Never tried that. Not as a kid. No, not as

853
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: like high school or anything. Even now, I mean no

854
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: saying bro, yeah dude, I'm not. I will not. Yeah,

855
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: there's one person and sitting in this room who I

856
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: say invited me to a party. I'll go, But that

857
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: that list is very small.

858
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

859
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

860
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: Your new record, Are you doing that? Are you taking chances?

861
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: Are you sounding sonically different?

862
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: I would The way that I've described this record is

863
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: my dream because I can't. Obviously, I can't determine how

864
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: people are gonna hear or feel it. But for me,

865
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: it feels like a new home that has pieces from

866
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: everywhere I've traveled. It feels like home, but there's memorabilia,

867
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: there's things from all different places. It feels traveled to

868
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: me because it's got a lot of pieces. One of

869
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: the best compliments that I got was one of my

870
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: friends was like, you, I don't feel and I guess

871
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: we did this on purpose, which is why it felt

872
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: like a compliment. I don't guess we did it on purpose.

873
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be like, oh, this is

874
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: a pop song, right, this is a rock song. This

875
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: is I wasn't reaching for that. I very much wanted.

876
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to break all the rules I thought existed.

877
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there are rules, but all the

878
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: self imposed rules I think were things that I wanted

879
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: to kind of break through. And I wanted every song

880
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of the pieces that make me.

881
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: Why don't call it evergreen?

882
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: It's been evergreen for a minute. Since twenty eighteen, I

883
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: started with a project called Wild Blue, which was this

884
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: sort of optimist letter to the world. You know, I

885
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: made that in my basement. It was the first time

886
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: I made an album without a spreadsheet and a lot

887
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: of people voting on what songs went on the album.

888
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: To be honest, I didn't think the album would ever

889
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: come out. I just made it, and then Dear God

890
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: found its way around the label and surprisingly had its

891
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: own little fan base in the label, meaning people that

892
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think would connect with it or understand what

893
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: to do with it. Still insisted that that be a

894
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: song that we put a lot of effort and energy

895
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: behind promoting, which was a huge green flag for me.

896
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: And while I was making Wild Blue, which ended up

897
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: getting out into the world and I ended up putting

898
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: a you know, extended version of it out, Red Sky

899
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: was born because I wanted this duality. I realized that

900
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: there was this duality with the optimist comes somewhere to

901
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: put all the other shit. And it was more angsty,

902
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: it was more experimental. It felt like a very not angry,

903
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: but it felt like I mean, and it kind of

904
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: was me getting in the car and disappearing. I left

905
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: Nashville and got in a car and went to you know,

906
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: went to a place I'd never spent a lot of

907
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: time in kind of close to a place i'd been

908
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: to before, but a new life for a minute, and

909
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: Green always sat as a third piece to the puzzle,

910
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: and it just always felt really grounded, and I think

911
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: parts of me felt like I didn't know what to

912
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: do with it because I didn't see myself as grounded

913
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: enough to justify me calling an album evergreen. And then

914
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: I think it clicked. You know, we all talk about

915
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: this quite often now, which I'm really grateful that it's

916
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: more of a conversation in the world. But the you know, healing, learning,

917
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we talk about is a process

918
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: that is never ending. You grow and you heal. It's

919
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: not a destination, right, It's a it's a it's a mindset,

920
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: and it's a way of living. And when I kind

921
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: of downloaded and realized, oh, that's that's what Evergreen is.

922
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Evergreen is the desire to grow, the desire to be grounded,

923
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: the realization that you're not always there, the realization that

924
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: it's it's not a destination, but that it is the

925
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: most beautiful part of living. And so that was There's

926
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: songs that were written for it early on that I

927
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with until she comes Along

928
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: has been there for a hot minutes in twenty sixteen,

929
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: that song has been kind of hanging out. Evergreen was

930
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: written in twenty eighteen as the like poster child of

931
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the song or as the theme song of the record,

932
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: and the yeah, and then every song that I've written

933
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: since then, A lot of it was actually just like

934
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: manifestation practice. A lot of it was written about things

935
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: that I hadn't lived yet, and I decided that that's

936
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: what I wanted the album to be. I wanted it

937
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: to be a place where people can pray manifest dream

938
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, letters from your future self of sorts.

939
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: And you're going out on the Evergreen tour? Do you

940
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: play all the hits?

941
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

942
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

943
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes geniuses like you were like, I don't want to

944
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: live back in the past. I'm going to play songs

945
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: that I just wrote today, and that's all I'm going

946
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: to do.

947
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: Man. Something I'm really grateful for is when I listen

948
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: to because I started my year within intensive it was

949
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: my third one. I say that only because I love them.

950
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: And if you get the chance to do something.

951
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: Like that, I've done one life changing.

952
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: It's life changing. And I made a promise to myself

953
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: that I would do it at least every other year.

954
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: When I did it, I'm a year behind. But I

955
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: did it, and I was on a plane back and

956
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I got to prep for this tour.

957
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: I got to know what's working. I got to know

958
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: what's feeling good man. I dug back through some old

959
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: stuff and I love all of it, like I love

960
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: because I hear versions of me and that too, and

961
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I think I feel love, And I mean immense gratitude

962
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: that I was surrounded by people who allowed me to

963
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: try the things I tried, do the things I did musically,

964
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: and I'm still really proud. There's not much that I'm

965
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: not still very humbly attached to.

966
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: What song do you play? And they know what it

967
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: is immediately and go the loudest, the craziest, For.

968
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: It depends on where we are, fiends on what the

969
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: context is. I mean, wanted also crazy, those two do.

970
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: You remember writing?

971
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: I wanted Yeah, I do Yeah?

972
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: How old were you?

973
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm seventeen, I guess, yeah.

974
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: Seventeen And did the thing just fall out of you?

975
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: It was something that a mentor of mine had said

976
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: about his relationship. What works about us is that we

977
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: don't operate on a need each other basis, we want

978
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: and it was it was like his lesson was like,

979
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: it comes from a choice. We choose each other every day, right,

980
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: And I thought that was beautiful and so yeah, I

981
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: remember taking the idea into to Troy and this really

982
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: cool historic old house and Troy had this room that

983
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: we'd never written and we'd always written in this other

984
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: room around guitars, but he had this piano in this

985
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: other room and it was painted sky blue and it

986
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: like had it faced the south, so it had all

987
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the natural light. And I was like, should we try that?

988
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: And so I jumped on and like though sort of

989
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: walk down riff was just kind of was just me

990
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: trying to do something on the piano. It was just

991
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: like see position walk down from a four to three

992
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: to two to a one kind of felt like a

993
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: just background music for a conversation. I mean, I've written

994
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: with so many incredible songwriters. Troy is one of those

995
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: that just makes it seem so easy. It's remarkable how

996
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: easy it feels to write songs with him. And we

997
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: got it in like forty five minutes. It was all there.

998
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: You wrote the whole song of forty five minutes.

999
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe less, but I don't want to like go it,

1000
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong. If Troy wants to, if

1001
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Troy has a better memory of it, then I'd love

1002
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: to hear his recollection because I think sometimes also like

1003
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: we remember it differently, but I remember that song having

1004
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: very fast.

1005
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: Do you start with the chorus? Do you go with

1006
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: I want to make you feel? Or do you go

1007
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: you start with lyrics?

1008
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I think that one we started with the I think

1009
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: we started with the verse, because that's what I was

1010
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: playing first. Is that riff you know, and fall apart

1011
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: without you? I don't know how you do what you do?

1012
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Like at the time, I really thought those were going

1013
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: to be placeholder lyrics. I thought we were going to

1014
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: sit around and really work on it, you know. But

1015
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: it works, thank God. And then everything that don't make

1016
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: sense about me, it makes sense when I'm with you.

1017
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: I mean that that's just that's the results of Troy

1018
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: and I just tossed some stuff back and forth. You know,

1019
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: he'll sing a line, I'll sing a line, and it's

1020
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: very stream of conscious.

1021
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: That that's crazy. It was forty five minutes.

1022
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: You got that the best songs kind of do that.

1023
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: The ones that you make that you feel like are

1024
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be there. You're kind of just along for

1025
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: the ride as they fall from the sky and you're

1026
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: just collecting it as.

1027
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: I never read a song like that before. When I

1028
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: wrote Hobby Lobby, Bobby took me like eight days.

1029
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: But there are parts of it that you know, you.

1030
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: Don't take me that seriously because I'm not like you,

1031
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you, know, like what I said made

1032
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: sense to be fair.

1033
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair that, But you know those moments

1034
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: when it's like, oh, that's it.

1035
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, but I appreciate you humoring when I

1036
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: reference the stupid comedy song that I wrote and you're.

1037
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, of course, of course.

1038
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm a big fan.

1039
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Look, I hope the record is everything you want

1040
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: to be. I'm sure it is, or you wouldn't put

1041
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: it out. And I hope everybody comes to the tour.

1042
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: We're talking about it before you come in. Uh, it

1043
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: was really great to see you again.

1044
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Good to see you man. Thanks for the time.

1045
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's been great. How do you

1046
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: feel about this great?

1047
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Will you go back and reevaluate everything you said, or

1048
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 2: do you just let the pass live for sure?

1049
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: Oh? You do, Yeah, you'll be analytical about all.

1050
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still reliving yesterday's interview, but yeah, I'll do that.

1051
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: He that was terrible, terrible, like a couple of days. Yeah,

1052
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: person interviewed you not good. I heard Huh I heard

1053
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: the person that interviewed it was terrible.

1054
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, disagree, No I heard it.

1055
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: I have no idea who interviewed yesterday. Uh, Hunter, good

1056
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: to see you, Good to see you it.

1057
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production