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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there and welcome back.

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Speaker 2: You have found once again the Book of Joe with

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Speaker 2: me Tom Verducci and say hello to Joe Madden.

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Speaker 1: How you doing today, Joe?

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Speaker 3: I am well, Tommy, how are you? Let of football

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Speaker 3: been going on? Florida has become Florida again after all

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Speaker 3: this weird weather, so I'm enjoying that.

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Speaker 1: But everything's well done here. Yeah, I know what that means.

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Speaker 1: The golf clubs are back out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, last three.

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Speaker 3: Days I've taken today af it was like four days

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Speaker 3: in a row. I got a good run coming up.

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Speaker 3: I got a couple of my race buddies on Thursday

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Speaker 3: tomorrow going to Avola with Michael, the Michaels and Randy

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Speaker 3: Stewart's and we're gonna hang out over there. But then

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Speaker 3: the weekend is the money games at Saint Pete. So

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Speaker 3: I've got a full calendar.

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Speaker 2: Right now, all right, sharply up that game, yes he Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: we got a ton to get to here. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about rule changes in Major League Baseball is

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Speaker 2: always interesting. An interesting hire in the NFL I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. But I want to start with a

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Speaker 2: tradition in baseball that's actually older than the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday night, the New York chapter of the Baseball Writers'

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Speaker 2: Association of America, we held our one hundredth annual dinner.

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Speaker 2: One hundred dinners, and listen, this is a dinner that's

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Speaker 2: they've always given out the major awards MVP, Cy Young,

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, Manager of the Year.

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Speaker 1: You go back in the day. You had Babe Ruth

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Speaker 1: at the dinner.

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Speaker 2: Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mannle, Joe, I remember one time Mickey

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Speaker 2: Mannle was at the dinner. It was the year that

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Speaker 2: jose Kanseika was honored with the MVP and went forty

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Speaker 2: forty that year and then got another award. And after

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Speaker 2: he was done speaking, he walked back to his seat,

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Speaker 2: thought about something, remembered something, walked back to the microphone,

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Speaker 2: and he said to the crowd, if I hadn't known

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Speaker 2: you people make such a big deal out of forty forty,

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Speaker 2: I'd have done it multiple times. I went back and

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Speaker 2: sat down. Have you ever been to dinner.

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Speaker 4: Joe, I've been invited, I have not.

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Speaker 3: I was in Italy, I was in Europe twice when

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Speaker 3: it occurred, and the other time got snowed out. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: some guys did make it, but I was in Florida

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Speaker 3: and there was a really huge snowstorm. But yeah, twice

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Speaker 3: in Italy when it occurred, and once a pretty big snowstorm.

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Speaker 4: Heard a lot about it. Obviously was honored.

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Speaker 3: I had I did you know my via the video

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, the MVPs show, Hey Otani and Aaron

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Speaker 2: Judge both could not make it. Both sent in acceptances

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Speaker 2: via video. Tani obviously is out in the LA area.

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Speaker 2: They've been affected by the wildfires, and both Otani and Judge,

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Speaker 2: by the way, are expecting their first children, Judges any

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Speaker 2: day now, and that's why he could not make it.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine those two guys with dad power, Joe well,

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Speaker 3: High expectations around the Little League whatever they're going to

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for both these guys. They're both wonderful. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know Aaron nearly as well. Obviously has some

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, I wish them nothing but the best.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, the devastating fires and all this really awful

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Speaker 3: It's really awful to see, so wish them all the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both of them gave really heartfelt, very impressive as

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Speaker 1: Show Hey, really really impressed me.

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Speaker 2: Besides obviously showing tremendous concern for the people in the

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Speaker 3: He does again, people have no idea. You watch him,

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Speaker 4: It's just he's just a different animal.

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Speaker 3: Man speaking of animals, he just a different cat, and

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Speaker 4: It's not nothing. He's contrived with this guy.

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Speaker 3: For anybody that believes any of this his actions are

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Speaker 4: He's just being showed raised that way.

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Speaker 3: Again, I've never met his parents, but I think that'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, because I think he is

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Speaker 1: He really does. I mean, yeah, if you're around, if.

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Speaker 2: Anybody's around a Major League Baseball dugout, guys just throw

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Speaker 2: picking up his first cy Young Award's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's his first, Joe. I mean, he's been close before.

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Speaker 2: We all know he's come back from multiple injuries. I

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Speaker 2: was really cool to see Chris there speaking of parents,

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Speaker 1: That's Chris.

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Speaker 2: I acknowledge that his mom was the one who got

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Speaker 2: You know he's from Lakeland, Florida, but he does have

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well, you know, it's wonderful to hear

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Speaker 1: It's a Gulf coast, golf coast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is kind of you know, all these unusual

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Speaker 2: Says, much of a competitor as I've ever been around.

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Speaker 2: Quick story on Chris Sale. He has never shaken off

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Speaker 2: Does Chris Sale all that work about hitter's weaknesses. He

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Speaker 2: He pitched the perfect game against one of the teams.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, sometimes we hear all this stuff, and

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Speaker 3: You want the mechanical thoughts like when you're throwing a

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Speaker 3: And that's probably why he was able to compete so well,

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Speaker 3: there's some that really did want to be more involved

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Speaker 3: And I've talked about James Shield Shields used to call

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Speaker 3: I said, James, what do you call your own game?

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Speaker 3: Like developed a set of signs with our catchers and

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Speaker 4: And he did. So.

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Speaker 3: There's different ways to get this done. But when you

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Speaker 3: that's greatness. Sitting in the waiting room right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and along those same lines, Trek Schoolball, the American

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Speaker 2: League Cy Young Award winner. It's interesting we had two

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Speaker 2: as much as we have all this information there, Joe,

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Speaker 2: you know this, there's something between the pitcher and the catcher,

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Speaker 2: and if it's there as a manager and coach, I

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Speaker 2: As I said at the dinner, we like to hold

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Speaker 2: And I actually wastage because they brought it a special

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool to have Grimace up there. You

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Speaker 4: A lot of that's been subtracted.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's the part. I think.

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Speaker 3: You know, more teams should really pay attention to that

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Speaker 3: There's enough pressure on these guys every day, whether it's

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Speaker 2: We've talked about freedom right as part of that as well.

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Speaker 2: But here's a major philosophical question for you, Joe, who

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Speaker 4: Who's old? I mean the actual who's inside the costumes?

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying I'm not ever

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Speaker 3: There you go, you're back. You got my my No,

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Speaker 3: I can't go back to the person in the costume theory.

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Speaker 2: But Joe, you are a master of this with Tampa

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Speaker 2: He allowed those things to produce energy, not to take

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Speaker 4: I like when he talks.

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Speaker 3: It's not contrived, it's not scripted. He's just telling you

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Speaker 3: So when they were struggling, he did he absolutely did

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Joe, Hey, we're going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned we've got rule changes coming up in Major

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Speaker 2: They may seem like small deals, but you need to

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe. Joe.

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Speaker 2: This didn't give a whole lot of attention, and it

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Speaker 2: and this makes total sense. Now the result of the play,

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Speaker 2: So instead of an automatic ball, the batter's on base

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Speaker 3: They've turned it into a bock pretty much. That's just

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Speaker 4: It was changed.

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Speaker 2: but teams have started teaching their runners to run through

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Speaker 2: the bag with two outs on a force play. Say

438
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Speaker 2: it's first and second. You're the runner on first, and

439
00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:38,358
Speaker 2: obviously it's quicker to run to the bag than to

440
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:40,758
Speaker 2: slide to the bag, so you're giving yourself a better

441
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Speaker 2: chance of beating the throat to second base. The other

442
00:20:43,518 --> 00:20:45,358
Speaker 2: side of that is if you run through the bag

443
00:20:45,478 --> 00:20:49,038
Speaker 2: and you are safe. Now you're like this with this

444
00:20:49,238 --> 00:20:51,558
Speaker 2: wandering runner out there, and the infielders are going to

445
00:20:51,598 --> 00:20:52,518
Speaker 2: have to decide what to do.

446
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Speaker 1: They chase you down.

447
00:20:53,398 --> 00:20:55,438
Speaker 2: If they chase you down, the guy scores from second

448
00:20:55,518 --> 00:20:59,118
Speaker 2: base before they tag you, you've created a diversion. Essentially,

449
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Speaker 2: so MLB said, no more of that, no more of

450
00:21:01,438 --> 00:21:05,478
Speaker 2: these shenanigans. You have to now slide into the base,

451
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Speaker 2: and if you're automatically out, you're considered abandoning your path

452
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Speaker 2: on the bases if you have a second foot that

453
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Speaker 2: goes past the base at second or third.

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Speaker 1: Let me get your take on that, Joe.

455
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Speaker 3: I just giggled. You know, actually that's been taught for years,

456
00:21:23,558 --> 00:21:26,758
Speaker 3: that particular play. It's just become more in vogue. People

457
00:21:26,798 --> 00:21:28,758
Speaker 3: have made it more obvious. But for years, really good

458
00:21:28,798 --> 00:21:31,238
Speaker 3: base running instructors we talk to their runners about that

459
00:21:31,318 --> 00:21:34,638
Speaker 3: in spring training on an annual basis. It's just another

460
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Speaker 3: thing that to me could potentially impact strategy or prevent

461
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Speaker 3: A team that really does do a great job of preparation,

462
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Speaker 3: and they got a couple guys that really are aware

463
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Speaker 3: of that this, you know, the micromanaging about the slide

464
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Speaker 3: and where the foot can go and all that kind

465
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Speaker 3: of stuff. I'm sure on pires really love this. I

466
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Speaker 3: don't understand why. The one part about it that I've

467
00:21:52,758 --> 00:21:54,958
Speaker 3: always was concerned about. I mean, if you run through

468
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Speaker 3: the bag going from first to second base and the

469
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Speaker 3: runner really kind of like propels themself out towards the outfield,

470
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Speaker 3: so then can you be considered out by being out

471
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Speaker 3: of the baseline kind of a thing?

472
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Speaker 4: That would be the only thing. And then the.

473
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Speaker 3: Runners, you know, the other guys you got to know,

474
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Speaker 3: like you just said, to run hard and get the

475
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Speaker 3: home plate before that person's eventually tagged out. I don't

476
00:22:13,798 --> 00:22:19,318
Speaker 3: understand why they felt compelled that they worried about another

477
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Speaker 3: injury somehow, I'm not quite sure. But it's another thing

478
00:22:22,198 --> 00:22:25,918
Speaker 3: that could impact the strategy or prevent somebody that's better

479
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Speaker 3: prepared than the other group to possibly win a game.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's uh, I don't know. It's not

481
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Speaker 2: a safety thing. I think it's just, you know, just

482
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Speaker 2: smacks of trickery, if you will. I'm not sure what

483
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Speaker 2: the impetus was for this. It doesn't come into play

484
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Speaker 2: that often, but as you said, it's been around for years,

485
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Speaker 2: but it has become much more popular.

486
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Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot more in the last couple

487
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Speaker 1: of years.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

489
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Speaker 3: I think I think you know, guys have like it's

490
00:22:50,358 --> 00:22:52,718
Speaker 3: been talked about so much that different guys are starting

491
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Speaker 3: to get into it. There's only a couple of players

492
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Speaker 3: on your team in the past that it's always that guy.

493
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a Pete Rose mentality kind of guy.

494
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Speaker 4: You know it.

495
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Speaker 3: So somebody that's going to when the coach talks about it,

496
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Speaker 3: he's gonna gonna try to please. But or also he's

497
00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,598
Speaker 3: just like so hell been on winning. He sees this

498
00:23:07,638 --> 00:23:09,838
Speaker 3: as being an opportunity and it's good. It's a good thing.

499
00:23:09,918 --> 00:23:12,918
Speaker 3: So I like for them to extrap a little bit

500
00:23:12,918 --> 00:23:15,678
Speaker 3: further in regards to why they think it's necessary, because

501
00:23:16,078 --> 00:23:17,878
Speaker 3: that's one of those things that's like kind of a push.

502
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Speaker 3: Why wa even mess with it?

503
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Speaker 1: Joe?

504
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Speaker 2: If you followed the Dominican Winter League Championship, I have not.

505
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Speaker 2: It's been fascinating. I'm going to take you first to

506
00:23:28,158 --> 00:23:31,158
Speaker 2: game six. It's best out of seven, and game six

507
00:23:31,238 --> 00:23:36,358
Speaker 2: you have Leonis es Goohito, managed by Albert Poolhols, is

508
00:23:36,798 --> 00:23:40,278
Speaker 2: one out away from winning the championship. They're up by

509
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Speaker 2: two and Gustavoiez of Lesi hits a two run homer

510
00:23:45,918 --> 00:23:48,718
Speaker 2: off Rafael Montero to tie the games and a de

511
00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:52,718
Speaker 2: extra innings and the DeGrace win in thirteen innings. But

512
00:23:52,878 --> 00:23:57,558
Speaker 2: after the home run, Leona has challenged that his bat

513
00:23:57,678 --> 00:23:58,318
Speaker 2: was corked.

514
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Speaker 1: How about that?

515
00:23:59,998 --> 00:24:04,838
Speaker 2: Albert Pooles managing, he challenges the bat card and so

516
00:24:05,038 --> 00:24:07,838
Speaker 2: the next day, and I've never heard about this, I've

517
00:24:07,838 --> 00:24:10,438
Speaker 2: heard about bats being x rayed. The next day, you

518
00:24:10,558 --> 00:24:14,318
Speaker 2: got officials from both teams, You've got the Dominican Commissioner.

519
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:17,678
Speaker 2: They actually cut the bat open, they cut it into

520
00:24:17,798 --> 00:24:23,438
Speaker 2: pieces and they found nothing that was clean. So Gustavoez

521
00:24:23,478 --> 00:24:25,118
Speaker 2: just lost this bat that he used to hit this

522
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Speaker 2: game tying home run.

523
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Speaker 1: He ruined the bat.

524
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Speaker 4: They're going to send it to the Dominican Hall of Fame.

525
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Speaker 4: And now it's all ruined.

526
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Speaker 1: It's all in pieces, I mean multiple pieces.

527
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Speaker 2: Then you get to game seven and Leones did win

528
00:24:37,918 --> 00:24:41,598
Speaker 2: Game seven a diving catch with two outs in the ninth.

529
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Speaker 1: Then they with runners on second and third to end it.

530
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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, how was the what was the attendance like?

531
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Speaker 4: Did they have good attendance.

532
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. I mean, I I've been over there.

533
00:24:51,398 --> 00:24:53,438
Speaker 2: I've not been there for one of these games, but

534
00:24:53,718 --> 00:24:56,358
Speaker 2: it is a party, even for the regular season games

535
00:24:56,358 --> 00:24:58,558
Speaker 2: over there. Oh yeah's you know, it's it's I think

536
00:24:58,558 --> 00:25:01,878
Speaker 2: it's a tremendous atmosphere because you know, we talk a

537
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,918
Speaker 2: lot about playing Fenway Park and Yankee You talk about

538
00:25:04,918 --> 00:25:08,678
Speaker 2: pressure as a player. Oh my goodness, over there, it'll

539
00:25:08,678 --> 00:25:11,918
Speaker 2: prepare you for the most extreme circumstances.

540
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Speaker 4: No question.

541
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Speaker 3: I've always been a big fan. I've never participated. I

542
00:25:15,518 --> 00:25:18,998
Speaker 3: only participated as a instructor. I would go down there

543
00:25:19,038 --> 00:25:20,358
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks. I did it to the

544
00:25:20,398 --> 00:25:23,878
Speaker 3: Dominican I went to Mexico several years ago to help

545
00:25:23,918 --> 00:25:27,318
Speaker 3: out Billy Latchman. I think it's a great proving ground

546
00:25:27,398 --> 00:25:29,918
Speaker 3: to learn. Whalley Joyner when he went to Puerto Rico

547
00:25:30,038 --> 00:25:32,478
Speaker 3: and I don't know was at eighty forty five, it

548
00:25:32,598 --> 00:25:35,718
Speaker 3: accelerated him so much, and then he eventually went out

549
00:25:35,718 --> 00:25:37,318
Speaker 3: and had that great year, Rookie of the Year kind

550
00:25:37,358 --> 00:25:37,758
Speaker 3: of stuff.

551
00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:39,038
Speaker 4: He's just a small example.

552
00:25:39,078 --> 00:25:41,798
Speaker 3: I mean, you see photographs with Willie Mays and Hank

553
00:25:41,838 --> 00:25:43,798
Speaker 3: Aaron and all these guys in the wintertime, ROBERTA.

554
00:25:43,838 --> 00:25:45,198
Speaker 4: Clementi playing in the winter ball.

555
00:25:45,838 --> 00:25:49,158
Speaker 3: But with today's players, it's just like they just it's

556
00:25:49,198 --> 00:25:52,438
Speaker 3: all about the weight room and looking at technology in

557
00:25:52,478 --> 00:25:54,998
Speaker 3: regards to trying to become better as opposed to actually

558
00:25:55,478 --> 00:25:58,998
Speaker 3: playing the greatest way to become a better baseball player,

559
00:25:58,998 --> 00:26:00,438
Speaker 3: and that's nine innings of baseball.

560
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Speaker 4: So I've always.

561
00:26:02,238 --> 00:26:04,558
Speaker 3: Been wanting to see a resurgence there that to me

562
00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:09,478
Speaker 3: is be so interesting to see that really become something

563
00:26:09,518 --> 00:26:13,438
Speaker 3: that matters again. And you should you whether you know

564
00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,758
Speaker 3: a hitter that's really chasing breaking balls or just as

565
00:26:16,798 --> 00:26:19,558
Speaker 3: a strike zone that he expands too often, a picture

566
00:26:19,638 --> 00:26:22,118
Speaker 3: that's really command wise, has got a great arm, but

567
00:26:22,118 --> 00:26:23,838
Speaker 3: I got to really learn how to throw my fastball

568
00:26:23,878 --> 00:26:26,678
Speaker 3: down in a way, you know, just changing a position

569
00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:30,558
Speaker 3: with the position player whatever. There's just so much. Not

570
00:26:30,678 --> 00:26:32,718
Speaker 3: Having said all that, part of the issue has always

571
00:26:32,798 --> 00:26:35,198
Speaker 3: been these guys want to win down there. The owners

572
00:26:35,238 --> 00:26:36,878
Speaker 3: of these groups want to win. So a player going

573
00:26:36,918 --> 00:26:39,558
Speaker 3: down or to try to doing different things sometimes could

574
00:26:39,558 --> 00:26:42,078
Speaker 3: find himself home in ten days or two weeks. If

575
00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:44,118
Speaker 3: there's no performance, you have to you really held to

576
00:26:44,118 --> 00:26:47,798
Speaker 3: a high standard performance wise. Taking all of that into consideration.

577
00:26:47,918 --> 00:26:50,518
Speaker 3: I would love to see some kind of a resurrection

578
00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:54,238
Speaker 3: within winter Ball becomes so popular that everybody wants to go.

579
00:26:54,918 --> 00:26:55,718
Speaker 4: Money's different.

580
00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:58,758
Speaker 3: I get it, kids, you know, it's becomes really rich,

581
00:26:58,838 --> 00:27:01,358
Speaker 3: really quickly. But it's a great proving round on like

582
00:27:01,398 --> 00:27:05,838
Speaker 3: you said, the toughness component to it, where you're can

583
00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:07,718
Speaker 3: be gone in two weeks. If you don't perform, bands

584
00:27:07,718 --> 00:27:09,878
Speaker 3: are going to get on. If you don't perform all

585
00:27:09,918 --> 00:27:12,038
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, You're eating food that you don't

586
00:27:12,038 --> 00:27:15,478
Speaker 3: normally eat. You're living in a situation very uncomfortable, just

587
00:27:15,638 --> 00:27:18,358
Speaker 3: like when the Latino comes to our country when he's

588
00:27:18,398 --> 00:27:20,918
Speaker 3: a young man sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years of age.

589
00:27:21,198 --> 00:27:23,398
Speaker 4: I think it's great. It's a great proving ground.

590
00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:25,958
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's great that Albert Pooholz is

591
00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:28,838
Speaker 2: managing winter Ball. I mean, I love it when these

592
00:27:28,878 --> 00:27:32,078
Speaker 2: superstars of the game, and obviously he's a future first

593
00:27:32,078 --> 00:27:35,758
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer, continue to give back to the game,

594
00:27:35,798 --> 00:27:38,758
Speaker 2: whether it's Tony Gwynn coaching in college, Cal Ripken with

595
00:27:38,798 --> 00:27:42,358
Speaker 2: his youth baseball program, Derek Jeter going back into the

596
00:27:42,358 --> 00:27:43,678
Speaker 2: front office for the Marlins.

597
00:27:44,158 --> 00:27:46,318
Speaker 1: Obviously, these guys don't need to do it.

598
00:27:46,638 --> 00:27:50,518
Speaker 2: They've established themselves as legends, they have all the money

599
00:27:50,558 --> 00:27:53,958
Speaker 2: that they need. It speaks to me anyway to the passion.

600
00:27:54,038 --> 00:27:56,398
Speaker 2: If you're going to go managing winter ball, it's not easy,

601
00:27:56,398 --> 00:27:58,398
Speaker 2: as you just alluded to Joe, even to manage, it's

602
00:27:58,438 --> 00:28:00,438
Speaker 2: not just to play. That speaks that the passion Albert

603
00:28:00,478 --> 00:28:01,598
Speaker 2: has for the game of baseball.

604
00:28:01,798 --> 00:28:04,078
Speaker 3: Otey also, I think, just as you're making me think,

605
00:28:04,118 --> 00:28:05,998
Speaker 3: as you're saying it out loud, I think Albert that

606
00:28:06,198 --> 00:28:08,278
Speaker 3: just in the case he might want to manage in

607
00:28:08,278 --> 00:28:11,478
Speaker 3: the major leagues, and the way major league managers are

608
00:28:12,398 --> 00:28:16,078
Speaker 3: assigned or hired right now, he doesn't necessarily fit that profile.

609
00:28:16,238 --> 00:28:18,598
Speaker 3: So I think it's good. I mean, he's going to

610
00:28:18,638 --> 00:28:20,598
Speaker 3: go out there, he's going to show them that he

611
00:28:20,678 --> 00:28:21,598
Speaker 3: really wants to do this.

612
00:28:21,798 --> 00:28:23,318
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just this is conjecture.

613
00:28:23,718 --> 00:28:26,638
Speaker 3: But while he's doing that, just the ability to incorporate

614
00:28:26,758 --> 00:28:29,758
Speaker 3: that information would be important. Also because if he truly

615
00:28:29,798 --> 00:28:31,598
Speaker 3: wants to get that job, maybe Saint Louis, I mean,

616
00:28:31,638 --> 00:28:33,158
Speaker 3: there's going to be an outlier.

617
00:28:32,758 --> 00:28:35,398
Speaker 4: That would permit him.

618
00:28:35,518 --> 00:28:39,558
Speaker 3: You know, even though he is not this analytically savvy guy,

619
00:28:40,358 --> 00:28:42,318
Speaker 3: but based on the fact that he's been part of

620
00:28:42,358 --> 00:28:44,638
Speaker 3: their past, and they're they're looking to rebuild in that way.

621
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Speaker 3: But it's like it's like, you know, when Ryan Sandberg

622
00:28:47,118 --> 00:28:49,438
Speaker 3: went out, you know, Rhyano went out and managed and

623
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:53,638
Speaker 3: the Iron Pigs and Allentown years ago in an attempt

624
00:28:53,678 --> 00:28:55,238
Speaker 3: to get back to the major leagues as a manager,

625
00:28:55,238 --> 00:28:55,598
Speaker 3: and he did.

626
00:28:55,638 --> 00:28:56,998
Speaker 4: And I went up to Rhyano and I.

627
00:28:56,918 --> 00:29:00,638
Speaker 3: Told him how much I was really impressed by the

628
00:29:00,678 --> 00:29:02,598
Speaker 3: fact that he did do that, because a lot of

629
00:29:02,638 --> 00:29:05,158
Speaker 3: guys wouldn't. They did, just they want to go right

630
00:29:05,198 --> 00:29:09,038
Speaker 3: from whatever to the big league manager's office without putting

631
00:29:09,078 --> 00:29:11,558
Speaker 3: in the time necessary, just like a player does. So

632
00:29:11,598 --> 00:29:14,478
Speaker 3: I've always respected Sandberg for doing that. I don't know,

633
00:29:14,478 --> 00:29:16,558
Speaker 3: maybe Albert's got the same thing in mind. I'm just

634
00:29:16,638 --> 00:29:20,078
Speaker 3: curious because the way managers are chosen today compared to

635
00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:22,438
Speaker 3: several years ago, is completely different.

636
00:29:22,558 --> 00:29:24,438
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've also got Yaddiya Molina.

637
00:29:24,918 --> 00:29:27,598
Speaker 2: They both can be challenging for the cardinal job one day,

638
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:30,278
Speaker 2: but we'll see. But it's a great transition. You just

639
00:29:30,318 --> 00:29:32,358
Speaker 2: set me up, Joe with what I wanted to talk about.

640
00:29:32,398 --> 00:29:35,638
Speaker 2: There's an interesting hire in the NFL in the coaching

641
00:29:35,718 --> 00:29:39,158
Speaker 2: ranks that dovetails with exactly what you're talking about cool

642
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:41,798
Speaker 2: surprising that some people maybe in this day and age.

643
00:29:41,838 --> 00:29:54,998
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next on the Book of Joe.

644
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

645
00:29:59,038 --> 00:30:01,038
Speaker 2: I mean, we love golf, we love football, we love

646
00:30:01,078 --> 00:30:04,558
Speaker 2: all kinds of sports. Here it is basically a baseball podcast,

647
00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:09,478
Speaker 2: but when intersects other sports, we're glad to bring it up.

648
00:30:09,518 --> 00:30:12,478
Speaker 2: In this case, Joe's Pete Carroll was hired as coach

649
00:30:12,518 --> 00:30:14,958
Speaker 2: of the Raiders at the age of seventy three. He

650
00:30:15,118 --> 00:30:17,438
Speaker 2: was out of the game for a year, watching a

651
00:30:17,478 --> 00:30:20,958
Speaker 2: grand kid play JV football and watching his son coach

652
00:30:21,078 --> 00:30:24,638
Speaker 2: with the University of Washington. Hired by John Spytech, who

653
00:30:24,758 --> 00:30:27,438
Speaker 2: is the new general manager of the Raiders, and of

654
00:30:27,438 --> 00:30:30,758
Speaker 2: course Tom Brady, who's got five percent ownership of that team,

655
00:30:30,798 --> 00:30:33,838
Speaker 2: but it sounds like he has a very strong voice

656
00:30:34,438 --> 00:30:35,558
Speaker 2: in that organization.

657
00:30:36,078 --> 00:30:37,118
Speaker 1: Interesting to Maaze.

658
00:30:37,118 --> 00:30:39,278
Speaker 2: I'm sure you found it interesting, Joe, that you're taking

659
00:30:39,318 --> 00:30:41,358
Speaker 2: a chance, if you will, on a guy who's won

660
00:30:41,398 --> 00:30:44,438
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, the greatest coach in Seahawks history. Is

661
00:30:44,478 --> 00:30:47,638
Speaker 2: all kinds of accomplishments at USC and all down the line.

662
00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:51,718
Speaker 2: John Spytech was a college teammate of Tom Brady's at

663
00:30:51,718 --> 00:30:54,718
Speaker 2: the University of Michigan and they were together with the

664
00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:56,278
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Bucks as well.

665
00:30:56,398 --> 00:30:57,638
Speaker 1: Now, his background is.

666
00:30:57,638 --> 00:31:02,598
Speaker 2: Mostly as a as a scout, scouted college football players

667
00:31:02,598 --> 00:31:06,078
Speaker 2: and scouted for the NFL. He's not cut out of

668
00:31:06,158 --> 00:31:09,758
Speaker 2: this sabermetric mold, if you will, as many are in

669
00:31:09,758 --> 00:31:12,358
Speaker 2: the NFL as they are in MLB and the NBA,

670
00:31:12,558 --> 00:31:15,758
Speaker 2: And I think the connection with Brady obviously is here

671
00:31:16,278 --> 00:31:20,038
Speaker 2: at play. And obviously Brady's a guy who won championships.

672
00:31:20,038 --> 00:31:22,038
Speaker 2: Are a veteran coach in Bill Belichick with the New

673
00:31:22,078 --> 00:31:22,918
Speaker 2: England Patriots.

674
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:24,238
Speaker 1: So the path for.

675
00:31:24,238 --> 00:31:26,798
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll I first, jar I was surprised to see

676
00:31:26,798 --> 00:31:28,398
Speaker 2: a seventy three year old out of the game for

677
00:31:28,438 --> 00:31:30,558
Speaker 2: a year hired to coaching the NFL team on a

678
00:31:30,558 --> 00:31:33,278
Speaker 2: three year contract. But it makes sense when I think

679
00:31:33,318 --> 00:31:36,358
Speaker 2: about who's hiring him and his track record.

680
00:31:36,678 --> 00:31:39,438
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then seventy three going on fifty three, right,

681
00:31:39,438 --> 00:31:42,398
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the guy's got He's just pure energy

682
00:31:42,478 --> 00:31:46,078
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's going to dissipate whatsoever based

683
00:31:46,118 --> 00:31:48,518
Speaker 3: on what his birth certificate says. So I'm really happy

684
00:31:48,518 --> 00:31:50,878
Speaker 3: for him, and he's been an outstanding coach. And again

685
00:31:50,918 --> 00:31:53,558
Speaker 3: when you watch his teams, and his team's always play

686
00:31:53,638 --> 00:31:57,918
Speaker 3: with high energy. He coaches with high energy, and now

687
00:31:57,958 --> 00:32:00,518
Speaker 3: you have a guy that has those kinds of qualities

688
00:32:00,598 --> 00:32:04,958
Speaker 3: plus the experience and wisdom and the track record.

689
00:32:04,638 --> 00:32:06,918
Speaker 4: Of success that he has, So it just it does

690
00:32:06,998 --> 00:32:08,878
Speaker 4: make sense. But you're correct.

691
00:32:08,878 --> 00:32:11,638
Speaker 3: You're correct that the group that's hiring him has to

692
00:32:11,678 --> 00:32:14,318
Speaker 3: be definitely in alignment with him and what he's going

693
00:32:14,398 --> 00:32:16,638
Speaker 3: to bring to the table and the ability to set

694
00:32:16,678 --> 00:32:19,318
Speaker 3: him free and not get in the way of what

695
00:32:19,358 --> 00:32:21,038
Speaker 3: he does and how he does it. There's going to

696
00:32:21,078 --> 00:32:24,078
Speaker 3: be a union there between the front office and him,

697
00:32:24,518 --> 00:32:25,798
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be Peach's game.

698
00:32:25,838 --> 00:32:28,478
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Peach's team, and these other groups are.

699
00:32:28,358 --> 00:32:30,958
Speaker 3: There in order to augment that to applying with whatever

700
00:32:30,998 --> 00:32:33,318
Speaker 3: he needs, the information he needs. But then you lit

701
00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:36,038
Speaker 3: a guy like Pete Carroll b Pete, and I think

702
00:32:36,038 --> 00:32:36,958
Speaker 3: it's a great hire.

703
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:37,558
Speaker 4: I believe.

704
00:32:38,678 --> 00:32:40,478
Speaker 3: Actually it's going to dove tell me what I'm going

705
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:43,478
Speaker 3: to talk about at the very end regarding the quote

706
00:32:43,518 --> 00:32:45,718
Speaker 3: of the day, But yeah, I think it's it's good

707
00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,118
Speaker 3: and it's everything has to align for that to happen

708
00:32:48,198 --> 00:32:51,238
Speaker 3: in a baseball situation, In a football situation right now.

709
00:32:51,558 --> 00:32:54,998
Speaker 3: I don't even know what basketball necessarily, but I say

710
00:32:54,998 --> 00:32:57,358
Speaker 3: baseball and football. It's got to start at the top,

711
00:32:57,758 --> 00:33:01,198
Speaker 3: and then the sensibilities and alignments has to occur based

712
00:33:01,238 --> 00:33:06,038
Speaker 3: on common philosophies and the ability for ownership to empower

713
00:33:06,558 --> 00:33:09,358
Speaker 3: as opposed not necessarily let's say front office to empower

714
00:33:09,358 --> 00:33:12,078
Speaker 3: as opposed to want to control what's going on in

715
00:33:12,118 --> 00:33:13,358
Speaker 3: the dugout or on the field.

716
00:33:13,718 --> 00:33:16,558
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you listen to any of the press conference,

717
00:33:16,598 --> 00:33:19,558
Speaker 2: there was a high emphasis on character and the type

718
00:33:19,558 --> 00:33:22,078
Speaker 2: of players that they want, not in terms of skill

719
00:33:22,158 --> 00:33:26,358
Speaker 2: set necessarily button teammates. In fact, Pete Carroll said, if

720
00:33:26,398 --> 00:33:29,958
Speaker 2: there's one thing I want them to understand, it's that

721
00:33:30,118 --> 00:33:32,038
Speaker 2: to be a great team.

722
00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:34,078
Speaker 1: You have to be a great teammate. There was a

723
00:33:34,238 --> 00:33:37,798
Speaker 1: lot of emphasis there about being a great teammate and

724
00:33:37,998 --> 00:33:40,078
Speaker 1: the character of the players they want to bring into

725
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:41,878
Speaker 1: the organization. You don't hear that a lot.

726
00:33:42,158 --> 00:33:46,078
Speaker 3: Pete alf often talks about grift also, he likes that word,

727
00:33:46,718 --> 00:33:50,118
Speaker 3: and you know, I totally agree with that philosophically, that

728
00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:51,958
Speaker 3: would to me that is the right way to go

729
00:33:51,998 --> 00:33:54,438
Speaker 3: about building your group. You start with that and then

730
00:33:54,478 --> 00:33:58,518
Speaker 3: you utilize whatever your scouting techniques may be Hopefully, it

731
00:33:58,598 --> 00:34:00,398
Speaker 3: sounds like they're going to have some tried and true

732
00:34:00,758 --> 00:34:03,038
Speaker 3: based on the fact that there's a great scouting background

733
00:34:03,118 --> 00:34:06,038
Speaker 3: there that you gonna want real eyeballs on players, You're

734
00:34:06,038 --> 00:34:09,598
Speaker 3: gonna have really lively discussions, arguments, whatever, and then you

735
00:34:09,678 --> 00:34:12,878
Speaker 3: augment that with any kind of that information that you

736
00:34:12,998 --> 00:34:16,158
Speaker 3: can support your decision making with or even blow holes

737
00:34:16,198 --> 00:34:19,318
Speaker 3: into your decision making that causes you maybe to even

738
00:34:20,078 --> 00:34:22,598
Speaker 3: go further and regard to your discussions about who we want,

739
00:34:22,598 --> 00:34:25,278
Speaker 3: who we don't want. But I love the idea of

740
00:34:25,558 --> 00:34:28,558
Speaker 3: establishing kind of a template. This is the kind of

741
00:34:28,558 --> 00:34:31,798
Speaker 3: guy that we are looking for, because when you do that,

742
00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:34,038
Speaker 3: when it gets hot, you're not going to get those

743
00:34:34,078 --> 00:34:37,038
Speaker 3: penalties before the whistle or after the whistle. You're going

744
00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:38,998
Speaker 3: to get discipline on both sides of the ball. You're

745
00:34:39,038 --> 00:34:43,918
Speaker 3: gonna get good decision making. Emotions, emotional intelligence, emotional stability,

746
00:34:44,238 --> 00:34:46,078
Speaker 3: all these things are going to incur. So they have

747
00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:49,078
Speaker 3: a better idea of what to expect. And if you're

748
00:34:49,118 --> 00:34:52,078
Speaker 3: the manager of the coach right there, the kind of

749
00:34:52,198 --> 00:34:54,798
Speaker 3: blueprint you're attempting to put out there, there's a much

750
00:34:54,878 --> 00:34:58,078
Speaker 3: greater chance of that actually occurring, which, after all, at

751
00:34:58,078 --> 00:35:00,438
Speaker 3: the end of the day, like Don Zimmer said, if

752
00:35:00,438 --> 00:35:02,878
Speaker 3: they're not getting your signs and you're really not managing,

753
00:35:03,278 --> 00:35:05,318
Speaker 3: and if these guys aren't getting the point, you're really

754
00:35:05,358 --> 00:35:05,918
Speaker 3: not coaching.

755
00:35:06,358 --> 00:35:08,798
Speaker 2: And finally, Joe, I mean, this is a sad story,

756
00:35:08,878 --> 00:35:10,678
Speaker 2: but I did want to bring this up and send

757
00:35:10,718 --> 00:35:14,638
Speaker 2: our condolences to the family of Brian Mattis, left handed pitcher.

758
00:35:15,038 --> 00:35:18,558
Speaker 2: He was found dead in his apartment January sixth in Arizona.

759
00:35:18,598 --> 00:35:21,918
Speaker 2: Actually his mother was the one who found him. He

760
00:35:22,118 --> 00:35:24,958
Speaker 2: was a number one pick, a fourth overall pick back

761
00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:27,878
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. The pick behind him was

762
00:35:27,918 --> 00:35:30,398
Speaker 2: Buster Posey. Tells you how well he was thought of

763
00:35:30,478 --> 00:35:33,158
Speaker 2: coming out of college. Left handed pitcher became a really

764
00:35:33,878 --> 00:35:38,518
Speaker 2: useful and reliable relief pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles was

765
00:35:38,558 --> 00:35:41,598
Speaker 2: known for causing all kinds of trouble for David Ortiz,

766
00:35:41,718 --> 00:35:44,278
Speaker 2: the left handed slinger that he was real tall guy.

767
00:35:44,798 --> 00:35:46,718
Speaker 2: I bring it up, Joe, because I know he pitched

768
00:35:46,718 --> 00:35:49,438
Speaker 2: his last major league game for you was in twenty sixteen.

769
00:35:49,518 --> 00:35:52,718
Speaker 2: He started that year with Baltimore, was traded to the Braves.

770
00:35:53,438 --> 00:35:54,838
Speaker 2: The Braves released.

771
00:35:54,518 --> 00:35:57,358
Speaker 1: Him, then the Cubs picked him up in June. In July.

772
00:35:57,518 --> 00:36:00,318
Speaker 2: The end of July, he got one start against Seattle,

773
00:36:00,358 --> 00:36:03,318
Speaker 2: did not go well, gave up three runs. I'm I'm sorry,

774
00:36:03,358 --> 00:36:06,398
Speaker 2: three innings up, six runs, three home runs. The Cubs

775
00:36:06,438 --> 00:36:10,038
Speaker 2: came back won the game seven to six, but did

776
00:36:10,078 --> 00:36:12,158
Speaker 2: not pitch again in the big leagues. Now, he did

777
00:36:12,278 --> 00:36:15,438
Speaker 2: sign that offseason with Arizona, but he got released by

778
00:36:15,438 --> 00:36:18,518
Speaker 2: Arizona in May just after a couple of months, and

779
00:36:19,038 --> 00:36:21,238
Speaker 2: to speak to we talk about the passion for the game.

780
00:36:21,278 --> 00:36:24,438
Speaker 2: He was still pitching independent ball in twenty nineteen. Three

781
00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:26,838
Speaker 2: years later, he was pitching for the Long Island Ducks,

782
00:36:26,838 --> 00:36:29,638
Speaker 2: a team that won the Atlantic League Championship. I don't

783
00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:32,918
Speaker 2: know what happened after that, but obviously things went downhill.

784
00:36:32,998 --> 00:36:35,238
Speaker 2: There was a police report that stated he was found

785
00:36:35,678 --> 00:36:38,158
Speaker 2: on his back on a couch with white substance in

786
00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:41,358
Speaker 2: his mouth and a luminum foil, a lighter and a

787
00:36:41,398 --> 00:36:44,758
Speaker 2: straw on the floor near his hand. No signs of trauma,

788
00:36:44,838 --> 00:36:47,678
Speaker 2: foul play, nothing like that. So we'll probably hear a

789
00:36:47,718 --> 00:36:50,958
Speaker 2: little bit more once the investigation is complete. But it's

790
00:36:51,038 --> 00:36:53,518
Speaker 2: just a sad story that we could lose someone that young,

791
00:36:53,598 --> 00:36:56,678
Speaker 2: thirty seven years old and especially in that way.

792
00:36:56,758 --> 00:37:00,158
Speaker 1: A guy who had a successful career, made thirteen million dollars,

793
00:37:00,238 --> 00:37:01,958
Speaker 1: pitched eight years in the big leagues and to have

794
00:37:01,998 --> 00:37:03,758
Speaker 1: an end like that far too young.

795
00:37:04,118 --> 00:37:06,638
Speaker 4: Yes, it is awful, of course I did see all that.

796
00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:08,998
Speaker 4: I didn't know him well. He pitched me that one day.

797
00:37:08,958 --> 00:37:10,518
Speaker 3: He just came up and like you said, it was

798
00:37:10,598 --> 00:37:14,038
Speaker 3: very short lived. I do remember when he pitched for Baltimore.

799
00:37:14,238 --> 00:37:16,078
Speaker 3: He was tough. He was tough on the teams that

800
00:37:16,158 --> 00:37:18,118
Speaker 3: I managed. I thought he was a very good lift

801
00:37:18,118 --> 00:37:20,598
Speaker 3: tended pitcher. So we got a chance to get our

802
00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:22,998
Speaker 3: hands on it. We needed we needed some We needed

803
00:37:22,998 --> 00:37:26,238
Speaker 3: that spot starter, and so you know, THEO and the

804
00:37:26,238 --> 00:37:28,318
Speaker 3: boys were high on him. They thought he was throwing

805
00:37:28,358 --> 00:37:30,238
Speaker 3: the ball. Well, he came on up and it was

806
00:37:30,278 --> 00:37:32,558
Speaker 3: a tough night. He gave up three two run home

807
00:37:32,638 --> 00:37:34,158
Speaker 3: runs in the first three and hes were down by

808
00:37:34,158 --> 00:37:37,718
Speaker 3: six points quick and that's the game. Eventually, Travis Wooden

809
00:37:37,798 --> 00:37:39,598
Speaker 3: made a great catch against the wall, hits a home

810
00:37:39,678 --> 00:37:41,838
Speaker 3: run and we win the game on a pinch hit

811
00:37:41,878 --> 00:37:44,918
Speaker 3: by Johnny Lesser, pinch hit safety squeeze. There was so

812
00:37:45,038 --> 00:37:48,038
Speaker 3: much that occurred on that even if it's crazy, uh,

813
00:37:48,438 --> 00:37:51,918
Speaker 3: all what all did transpire. Again, I didn't know him. Well,

814
00:37:51,998 --> 00:37:55,078
Speaker 3: you're describing to me as absolutely awful. You know, hearts

815
00:37:55,078 --> 00:37:56,838
Speaker 3: out to the family man. That's that's just.

816
00:37:56,838 --> 00:37:57,518
Speaker 4: A tough way.

817
00:37:57,918 --> 00:38:01,398
Speaker 3: That's tough to deal with, obviously, and I wish I

818
00:38:01,438 --> 00:38:04,318
Speaker 3: had known him better. I did not, But you know,

819
00:38:04,358 --> 00:38:06,918
Speaker 3: it's just crazy how we all react to different stresses

820
00:38:06,918 --> 00:38:09,798
Speaker 3: in our life. And it's just it's just an awful ending.

821
00:38:10,078 --> 00:38:12,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a reminder that, you know, when the

822
00:38:12,438 --> 00:38:18,358
Speaker 2: cheering stops, there's a whole nother transition to a life

823
00:38:18,358 --> 00:38:21,358
Speaker 2: that's some find very challenging. It's it's not easy, and

824
00:38:21,398 --> 00:38:23,758
Speaker 2: I know the Players Association does a really good job

825
00:38:23,798 --> 00:38:26,758
Speaker 2: pay attention to sort of that re entry into quote

826
00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:27,998
Speaker 2: unquote normal life.

827
00:38:28,038 --> 00:38:32,958
Speaker 1: But it is a difficult transition. As Jim Bountin famously

828
00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:36,718
Speaker 1: once said, baseball players, we die twice, you know. The

829
00:38:36,718 --> 00:38:39,238
Speaker 1: first time is when your career ends, and the next

830
00:38:39,238 --> 00:38:43,318
Speaker 1: time is our own mortality. So it is a difficult

831
00:38:43,318 --> 00:38:45,798
Speaker 1: transition for a lot of guys. It's not unusual, but

832
00:38:45,878 --> 00:38:46,878
Speaker 1: it is a sad story.

833
00:38:46,878 --> 00:38:50,038
Speaker 2: And again, our condolences and thoughts go out to the

834
00:38:50,278 --> 00:38:53,158
Speaker 2: Madison family. He definitely will be missed, just a beloved

835
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,918
Speaker 2: member of those Baltimore Orioles teams. Yeah, on that, Joe,

836
00:38:58,198 --> 00:39:00,518
Speaker 2: I know you kind of alluded to how you're going

837
00:39:00,558 --> 00:39:01,638
Speaker 2: to take us out today.

838
00:39:02,518 --> 00:39:04,318
Speaker 1: What do you got for us in terms of our

839
00:39:04,398 --> 00:39:05,558
Speaker 1: words of wisdom of the day.

840
00:39:05,878 --> 00:39:08,878
Speaker 3: Well, you steered me towards Carlos Mendoz and then eventually

841
00:39:08,878 --> 00:39:12,598
Speaker 3: finished up with Pete Carroll. And I was just, you know,

842
00:39:12,678 --> 00:39:16,718
Speaker 3: debating so many different things today and I just happened

843
00:39:16,758 --> 00:39:20,078
Speaker 3: upon Malcolm Gladwell and just talking. You know, you're talking

844
00:39:20,078 --> 00:39:23,838
Speaker 3: about managers and head coaches and of course players, and

845
00:39:24,958 --> 00:39:28,518
Speaker 3: the line from Gladwell is that researchers have settled on

846
00:39:28,558 --> 00:39:31,518
Speaker 3: what they believe is the magic number for true expertise,

847
00:39:31,598 --> 00:39:35,718
Speaker 3: and that is ten thousand hours. So I've talked about

848
00:39:35,758 --> 00:39:38,198
Speaker 3: the fact that I think the way that managers sometimes

849
00:39:38,238 --> 00:39:40,958
Speaker 3: are now hired is really not appropriate base. It's kind

850
00:39:40,998 --> 00:39:42,958
Speaker 3: of insulting to those that in the past that have

851
00:39:43,078 --> 00:39:46,918
Speaker 3: like really been lifers, and you know, they've ridden the buses,

852
00:39:46,958 --> 00:39:51,238
Speaker 3: they've gone on instructional leagues, rookie balls, they've actually scotted

853
00:39:51,438 --> 00:39:53,358
Speaker 3: and I guess maybe I'm even describing myself to a

854
00:39:53,398 --> 00:39:56,998
Speaker 3: certain extent, but that was an accumulation of hours, and

855
00:39:57,038 --> 00:39:59,398
Speaker 3: then because of that accumulation of hours, you have an

856
00:39:59,398 --> 00:40:02,598
Speaker 3: expertise in your subject. And I've already used that you

857
00:40:02,678 --> 00:40:05,398
Speaker 3: know what you know and might sound a little bit

858
00:40:05,798 --> 00:40:07,798
Speaker 3: crazier trite, but it's true.

859
00:40:08,358 --> 00:40:09,958
Speaker 4: You could expound on points.

860
00:40:09,958 --> 00:40:12,918
Speaker 3: Like you and I we talk on a weekly basis,

861
00:40:12,958 --> 00:40:14,598
Speaker 3: and I have no idea what you're going to throw

862
00:40:14,598 --> 00:40:17,438
Speaker 3: at me before we get to begin, but I'm able

863
00:40:17,478 --> 00:40:19,598
Speaker 3: to react to you just because I do know what

864
00:40:19,638 --> 00:40:22,198
Speaker 3: I know based on all these different, many many hours

865
00:40:22,238 --> 00:40:24,318
Speaker 3: I spent on learning my craft.

866
00:40:24,598 --> 00:40:26,238
Speaker 4: And then you have to be able to defend what

867
00:40:26,278 --> 00:40:26,558
Speaker 4: you know.

868
00:40:27,078 --> 00:40:29,198
Speaker 3: And Pete can do that, and I'm telling you, young

869
00:40:29,238 --> 00:40:32,158
Speaker 3: Carlos Mendez really impressed me with that. But as you're

870
00:40:32,198 --> 00:40:36,038
Speaker 3: defending what you know, always remaining open to new ideas,

871
00:40:36,118 --> 00:40:39,278
Speaker 3: that's the part that really needs to be emphasized. It's

872
00:40:39,278 --> 00:40:43,638
Speaker 3: not just being ironclad and I'm not going to consider

873
00:40:43,678 --> 00:40:46,518
Speaker 3: anything else, of course not. But you got to be

874
00:40:46,558 --> 00:40:48,398
Speaker 3: able to know when to close the doors, the doors

875
00:40:48,478 --> 00:40:51,438
Speaker 3: being your ears and really settling on what you know,

876
00:40:51,558 --> 00:40:53,518
Speaker 3: and then there's time maybe to open it. Maybe there's

877
00:40:53,718 --> 00:40:56,158
Speaker 3: a point where you're not quite sure that you might

878
00:40:56,198 --> 00:40:57,758
Speaker 3: have to open maybe one or both of them to

879
00:40:57,798 --> 00:40:59,478
Speaker 3: really get some new information in there.

880
00:41:00,078 --> 00:41:01,758
Speaker 4: Last point, the expertise.

881
00:41:01,798 --> 00:41:05,998
Speaker 3: It's so many dedicated hours, crazy hours, I mean, to

882
00:41:06,078 --> 00:41:08,358
Speaker 3: accumulate this kind of information and get to the point

883
00:41:08,358 --> 00:41:10,078
Speaker 3: where you're kind of like an expert at what you do.

884
00:41:10,518 --> 00:41:13,678
Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen overnight by any I mean the

885
00:41:13,678 --> 00:41:16,278
Speaker 3: classic phrase of what takes twenty years to be overnight's success.

886
00:41:16,358 --> 00:41:18,278
Speaker 3: And you have to be totally consumed by this stuff,

887
00:41:18,318 --> 00:41:20,438
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely consuming that you've done it as a writer,

888
00:41:20,518 --> 00:41:23,078
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about. And there's sacrificial hours

889
00:41:23,078 --> 00:41:25,718
Speaker 3: where you'd rather be doing something else when you're actually

890
00:41:25,758 --> 00:41:29,558
Speaker 3: doing this, hours of solitude. And having described all this,

891
00:41:30,318 --> 00:41:31,838
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's not really work.

892
00:41:32,398 --> 00:41:35,238
Speaker 3: It's a love affair, right, It's something that you've always

893
00:41:35,398 --> 00:41:38,878
Speaker 3: wanted to do, So you never really these hours that

894
00:41:38,918 --> 00:41:42,078
Speaker 3: you're putting in in order to become good at something.

895
00:41:42,518 --> 00:41:45,118
Speaker 4: There's nothing else you'd rather be doing. It's crazy, right.

896
00:41:45,478 --> 00:41:48,598
Speaker 3: So I set me up for that with Carlos today,

897
00:41:48,598 --> 00:41:51,118
Speaker 3: and then you bring in Pete at the end, and

898
00:41:51,158 --> 00:41:54,678
Speaker 3: then Malcolm ties it up. So I really do have

899
00:41:54,718 --> 00:41:58,438
Speaker 3: a strong respect for people that really know their craft

900
00:41:59,158 --> 00:42:01,438
Speaker 3: and they're not afraid to put it out there and

901
00:42:01,558 --> 00:42:04,518
Speaker 3: speak about it. But, like I said, while doing all that,

902
00:42:05,038 --> 00:42:08,478
Speaker 3: remaining open and that's really the trick to continuing to

903
00:42:08,558 --> 00:42:09,718
Speaker 3: grow at what you do.

904
00:42:10,318 --> 00:42:13,278
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, Joe, because you just remind me of

905
00:42:13,358 --> 00:42:15,958
Speaker 2: something that Pete Carroll did say at his press conference

906
00:42:15,998 --> 00:42:18,438
Speaker 2: when somebody asked them what he was doing for the

907
00:42:18,518 --> 00:42:22,598
Speaker 2: last year, and his answer dovetails perfectly with what you

908
00:42:22,638 --> 00:42:26,878
Speaker 2: just said. He said, learning, you have to stay curious

909
00:42:27,398 --> 00:42:30,398
Speaker 2: and make sure you're always onto the next opportunity to

910
00:42:30,478 --> 00:42:32,558
Speaker 2: try to be a little bit better.

911
00:42:33,038 --> 00:42:36,838
Speaker 1: Those two words learning and curious. This is seventy three

912
00:42:36,878 --> 00:42:37,478
Speaker 1: year old man.

913
00:42:37,838 --> 00:42:40,758
Speaker 2: As you said, he's going on fifty three, that never

914
00:42:40,838 --> 00:42:43,398
Speaker 2: goes out of style learning and curious.

915
00:42:43,878 --> 00:42:46,758
Speaker 3: I listen, I kind of agree with that more it

916
00:42:46,838 --> 00:42:51,238
Speaker 3: is every day presents different opportunities to grow. I have

917
00:42:51,278 --> 00:42:54,478
Speaker 3: some friends and others that I know that they'll always

918
00:42:54,518 --> 00:42:59,358
Speaker 3: reference that. At our age, you know, they like it's

919
00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:02,718
Speaker 3: kind of like a time to shut things down. You know,

920
00:43:02,758 --> 00:43:06,998
Speaker 3: I am a almost completely retired, but there's no sense

921
00:43:07,038 --> 00:43:09,598
Speaker 3: of shutting it down. Like you said, I'm always looking

922
00:43:09,998 --> 00:43:11,958
Speaker 3: even if it's just golf, trying to get better in

923
00:43:11,998 --> 00:43:15,118
Speaker 3: my golf game, whatever it might be. You're always trying

924
00:43:15,158 --> 00:43:17,158
Speaker 3: to improve on a daily basis, whether it's just reading

925
00:43:17,198 --> 00:43:21,318
Speaker 3: and know other it's just becoming remaining current and topics

926
00:43:21,358 --> 00:43:22,958
Speaker 3: of what's going on in our world today and having

927
00:43:22,998 --> 00:43:25,998
Speaker 3: an opinion on that. All this stuff, there's the there's

928
00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:29,398
Speaker 3: a curiosity factor, and philosophically, you're you know, you're trying

929
00:43:29,398 --> 00:43:31,518
Speaker 3: to align yourself and figure out what do I really

930
00:43:31,558 --> 00:43:34,798
Speaker 3: think while remaining open to change.

931
00:43:35,078 --> 00:43:36,358
Speaker 4: All that stuff is really good.

932
00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:38,838
Speaker 3: But I do have some friends that will always reference

933
00:43:38,838 --> 00:43:40,398
Speaker 3: so at our age, I want to tell me, you

934
00:43:40,398 --> 00:43:43,478
Speaker 3: know what, you could you could stick that quite frankly,

935
00:43:43,878 --> 00:43:46,678
Speaker 3: because at our age, I mean it's just it is

936
00:43:46,718 --> 00:43:50,438
Speaker 3: a number, and we interpret that whoever would however we

937
00:43:50,478 --> 00:43:53,398
Speaker 3: would like. It could be an energetic and just as

938
00:43:53,558 --> 00:43:55,678
Speaker 3: energetic as it was twenty years ago, or it could

939
00:43:55,678 --> 00:43:59,038
Speaker 3: be like you know, it's a total retirement where you

940
00:43:59,118 --> 00:44:02,238
Speaker 3: just shuffle off out to the next whatever and really

941
00:44:02,318 --> 00:44:04,438
Speaker 3: you're just in waiting. So I and I agree with

942
00:44:04,438 --> 00:44:08,078
Speaker 3: that one, especially in today's world with all the different

943
00:44:08,238 --> 00:44:12,038
Speaker 3: advantages we have to stay in shape too, mentally and physically.

944
00:44:12,598 --> 00:44:13,038
Speaker 4: Why not.

945
00:44:13,318 --> 00:44:16,198
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, you know, at our age kind of thing.

946
00:44:16,278 --> 00:44:18,878
Speaker 2: You know, I think I got no use for that,

947
00:44:18,958 --> 00:44:21,318
Speaker 2: because all you're doing there is you're holding yourself to

948
00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:26,198
Speaker 2: normalize standards, which is basically turning yourself into average.

949
00:44:26,278 --> 00:44:27,518
Speaker 1: Who wants to be average?

950
00:44:27,718 --> 00:44:28,078
Speaker 4: I don't know.

951
00:44:28,118 --> 00:44:30,478
Speaker 3: I mean there's some people that are really okay with that,

952
00:44:30,558 --> 00:44:32,838
Speaker 3: and it's just a it's a learned behavior. I think

953
00:44:32,958 --> 00:44:34,678
Speaker 3: you know from years ago, and then all of a sudden,

954
00:44:34,998 --> 00:44:36,478
Speaker 3: whether you have to cut your hair a certain way,

955
00:44:36,478 --> 00:44:38,318
Speaker 3: you got to address a certain way. You talked about the

956
00:44:38,638 --> 00:44:41,158
Speaker 3: road trips in the past, different things that did with

957
00:44:41,198 --> 00:44:43,718
Speaker 3: the group. I mean, we devolve into this moment where

958
00:44:43,758 --> 00:44:46,918
Speaker 3: we think we have to act a certain way. The

959
00:44:46,918 --> 00:44:48,478
Speaker 3: way you have to act is how you feel, what

960
00:44:48,558 --> 00:44:51,198
Speaker 3: you believe in. That's how you act, and what is

961
00:44:51,198 --> 00:44:53,598
Speaker 3: your motivation on a daily basis, That's how you act.

962
00:44:53,638 --> 00:44:54,318
Speaker 4: That's who you are.

963
00:44:54,838 --> 00:44:58,278
Speaker 3: So I to force different opinions on yourself based on

964
00:44:58,838 --> 00:45:03,278
Speaker 3: you know, other people's opinions, actually other people's judgments in

965
00:45:03,318 --> 00:45:05,398
Speaker 3: regards to what you should be like, how you should dress,

966
00:45:05,718 --> 00:45:07,678
Speaker 3: how you should think at this particular point in your life.

967
00:45:07,678 --> 00:45:10,598
Speaker 3: To me, that is extremely boring and very worthless, and

968
00:45:10,638 --> 00:45:12,918
Speaker 3: it definitely will get you to settle into some bad

969
00:45:13,038 --> 00:45:14,998
Speaker 3: routines way earlier.

970
00:45:14,678 --> 00:45:15,278
Speaker 4: Than you should.

971
00:45:15,598 --> 00:45:19,078
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Joe, and I know you mentioned this. I

972
00:45:19,198 --> 00:45:21,358
Speaker 2: love to surprise you with topics. You don't know what's

973
00:45:21,398 --> 00:45:23,478
Speaker 2: coming up, but I'm gonna break ranks right now and

974
00:45:23,518 --> 00:45:25,478
Speaker 2: give you a little hint that next week I think

975
00:45:26,238 --> 00:45:28,198
Speaker 2: I think we're probably gonna be talking about a certain

976
00:45:28,238 --> 00:45:30,838
Speaker 2: football game that is going to be played. Yeah, and

977
00:45:30,878 --> 00:45:35,398
Speaker 2: the differences which I find fascinating between baseball and football.

978
00:45:35,638 --> 00:45:38,678
Speaker 1: And that's not a George Carlin monologue, but it's more

979
00:45:38,718 --> 00:45:41,678
Speaker 1: about how you win championships in both sports. I think

980
00:45:41,678 --> 00:45:43,998
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to dive into that next week. So

981
00:45:43,998 --> 00:45:44,678
Speaker 1: I look forward to that.

982
00:45:44,798 --> 00:45:46,678
Speaker 4: Joe, awesome brother, looking forward to it.

983
00:45:46,918 --> 00:45:48,558
Speaker 1: See you next time on the Book of Joe.

984
00:45:48,798 --> 00:45:49,878
Speaker 4: All right, buddy, you will.

985
00:45:57,718 --> 00:46:00,958
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986
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