1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Nate Eden wanted to be a reporter since he was 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: a kid, y'all, and you know when he first started out, 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: he did things like he covered the execution of the 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: DC sniper. He went and covered the aftermath of the 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech shooting. He's talked to serial killers and Garth 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Brooks and covered tornades and floods and earthquakes, all kinds 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. But y'all probably know him best as the 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: person that tracked down Lorie Valo. I have called him 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: a hero privately and publicly. I'm gonna do it again today. 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: He got that devil on tape when nobody else was 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: even looking for her. So you know his awards, and 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: he's gotten the Edward R. Murrall Award and different things. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: He's deserved every one of them. But today he is 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: with us because he has been in court and there 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: is nobody better to walk us through what is happening 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: with Corey rich AND's Nate welcome to his own seven Honey, y'all. 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Cheryl, so good to talk with you again. 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: You're very kind. I appreciate it. 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Well, it's all true, and you're a super sweet person 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: and a kind and generous person. And your wife is 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: better than you. 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I tell you what, the two of y'all 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: together are just adorable, and I just appreciate everything that 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: y'all are doing collectively and individually. 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: Well, thank you and kudos to you. 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Well, you got three little ones that are kind of 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: right behind you, and one of them I think might 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: surpass all of us. 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: She's already surpassed me, that's for sure. 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Just adorable family all the way around. 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: But listen, now, you have three children, Corey has three boys. 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this thing just gets more devilish as time 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: goes on. For me, I thought the book was going 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: to be the worst thing. And before the trial ever started, 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I guess a couple of years ago, I did a 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: Zone seven and we talked about that book sentence by 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: sentence by sentence, starting with you know the title, because 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: the title bothered me. Everything bothered me about that book, 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: everything she said, the way she phrased it, everything. But 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: now that we've gotten into court, Nate, what are we 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: thirty something witnesses in and they're pretty much all saying 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing, the pre and post behavior. 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: Everything we look at in an investigation. What she did 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: before what she did after is so critical. But when 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: it comes to Robert Josh Grossman, I mean, if he 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: is not one of the most shocking witnesses. And here's 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: the reason he's shocking to me. I've been doing this 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: a long time, Nate. I have never heard somebody question 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: being sworn in. 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: I haven't either. 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: I've never seen it ever. I've had people say they 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: affirm like they'll change it, you know, because they don't 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: want to swear to God, I get it. That's it. 55 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: I've never heard somebody well, I mean, I don't want 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: to lie, but I don't know if I can tell 57 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: the whole truth. So just you've been there. You've been 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean live and in action. You've heard it. So 59 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: you start wherever you want to kind of bring us 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: up to speed on what's happening in this trial for 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: those of us, including myself, because I've been back on duty, 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: I have not been able to watch it like I 63 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: want it. So fill me in, honey. 64 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: So the boyfriend, there's been rumblings of a Cheryl that 65 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: maybe she had the secret lover on the side, but 66 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 2: this is the first time we ever heard from him, 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: and in fact opening statements. That is the first time 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: that we may have ever known of his existence and 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: his name, and these text messages that were coming out 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: between the two of them. So just a quick synopsis, 71 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: we'll start with it was actually four years ago this week. 72 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: Eric Richins was found dead on March fourth, twenty twenty two, 73 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: in his bed. Corey said she'd been lying down with 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: one of their sons who wasn't feeling well. He finally 75 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: fell asleep. She went into their bedroom around one am 76 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: and Eric is cold. She calls nine one one says 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: that he died in his sleep. His siblings instantly think 78 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: something's not right here. Eric's my age, he's in his 79 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: forties and younger mide young forties. I think he was 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: forty one forty two. They do an autopsy. He had 81 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: fifteen times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, 82 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: and he had not used drugs before. He had THHC 83 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: gummies in the house. That's been brought up over and 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: over and over, but that was about the extent of it. 85 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: He didn't even like to drink alcohol. He was healthy. 86 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: One of his friends testified they'd gone on hikes, they'd 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: gone hunting. He went to the gym, He owned a business, 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: a million dollar business. He was a very successful young man. 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: So within a day of him dying, Corey is questioning 90 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: the life insurance and the trust that their home had 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: been put in. Eric had had some suspicions, We're finding 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: out that something might not be right with his wife, 93 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: and he put their home in a trust and the 94 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: person managing the trust was his sister. Corey did not 95 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: know this and was furious. And this reminds me, Cheryl 96 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: of Lori Valo Dabell, thinking she'd get that million dollars 97 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: when Charles was shot, but he had changed the beneficiary 98 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 2: to his sister, Kay Woodcock. That's right, So there's similarities there. 99 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: And can you imagine, though, Nate here, you think I'm 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: going to pull off the perfect crime and I'm going 101 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: to give this bag of money, and then you realize, 102 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: wait a minute, the dead guy was already owned to 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: me and changed everything. So I all this for nothing? 104 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: And who needed that money desperately? Corey Richens because she 105 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: was seven million dollars in debt, because she was buying 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: and flipping homes. Now, she did her first first home 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: years ago and did great, made made I think forty 108 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars in profit. She was good, she did 109 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: she did well, but she grew too fast. She started 110 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: buying all these homes and then the mega homes she 111 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: bought they called a Midway mansion. It was a home 112 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: that had been started and basically stopped and in a 113 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: few days the day Eric died, actually she was supposed 114 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: to close on that two point five million dollar home. 115 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: She was desperate for money. All of her funding sources 116 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: had dried up. She had nowhere else to go to 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: get money. She was having to pay two thousand dollars 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: a day on her debts just to keep up. And 119 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: Eric had a business. Eric had money. She did end 120 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: up getting some of the life insurance money through we've 121 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: learned through testimony, but she did not get the house. 122 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: She did not get the bulk of what she was 123 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: hoping for. And then, as you mentioned the book, she 124 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: turns around a few months later and writes a book 125 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: about how to deal with grief. So all of this 126 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: is coming out now as we're hearing from these witnesses, 127 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: and it's been fascinating to hear everybody tell their little part. 128 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: And let's be clear about that book. It was a 129 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: children's book, y'all right, And to say the least, it 130 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: was bizarre. I mean the title is are You with Me? 131 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 1: So you know she says these things, and she tells 132 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: people that she wrote the book for the boys. They're 133 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: three boys, and that they participated. Yet when you read it, 134 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like anything a little boy would ever say. 135 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: I keep thinking about those little boys, Cheryl. They have 136 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: played phone calls that Corey was making in hours after 137 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: her husband died, and weeks after trying to get money, 138 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: and there's fighting between her and Eric's family, and you 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 2: think that there's these little boys that have lost their father. 140 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: And he loved being a dad. He was the coach 141 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: of the soccer team. He was taking these kids camping. 142 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: He was so involved. And when he went to talk 143 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: to a divorce attorney, she testified that his number one 144 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: concern was his kids. Had he not had the kids, 145 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: he would have likely divorced her and been done with it. 146 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: But he said, I don't want to break up their childhood. 147 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: I don't want to make things worse. 148 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: And he didn't want to leave them every other weekend. 149 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: He wanted to have them all. 150 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: The time, right right, and then, so they not only 151 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: lost their dad, who they saw being wheeled out of 152 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: the house from a window upstairs, to now their mother's 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: charged with killing him and is on trial. So yeah, 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: the description of the book Are You with Me? It 155 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: says it's the book is designed to guide children through 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: an emotional challenges of losing a parent, offering comfort and 157 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: reassurance through a story that emphasizes the enduring presence of 158 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: a loved one. As you mentioned, rich AND's wrote the 159 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: book with her own children in mind, aiming to help 160 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: them process their grief while also providing a resource for 161 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: other families facing similar loss. So she seemed to always 162 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: be looking for ways to try to get money, to 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: try to keep ahead, and to try to have this 164 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: facade that she's this remarkable, incredible mom and businesswoman that's 165 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: doing it all, when really there was no foundation and 166 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: it was crumbling. 167 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: And you know, when you talk about the fentanyl that 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: was street grade, that they founded his system. In other words, 169 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: they knew this did not come from a doctor, This 170 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: did not come from a hospital, because there's differences, y'all 171 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: in the grade of drug that you're taking. If you 172 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: buy something on the street, it's not going to have 173 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: the same you know quality. Let's say, so they knew 174 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: this was something that was balked from somebody that was 175 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: probably a low level drug dealer at best. 176 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: And you know how they knew. Cheryl the drug dealer 177 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: testified in the trial, which is another thing I really 178 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: had not heard. Not only did the dealer take the stand, 179 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: but the woman who was cleaning Corey Richan's home, she 180 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: connected Corey to the dealer. And Okay, that sounds like, yeah, 181 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: that's how they did it. But they have text messages 182 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: from the days that the house cleaner drove down to 183 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: a gas station to meet up with this dealer, and 184 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: the whole thing's documented back and forth. Now, the dealer 185 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: and the house cleaner were given immunity for their testimony. 186 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: They made that clear, and they basically will probably walk 187 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: away if they told the whole truth, So you do 188 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: have to keep that in mind. But they were pretty candid. 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: And this all happened in twenty twenty two, so fentanyl 190 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: was just kind of becoming. Everybody was in the know. 191 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: And at the time, this dealer said he was scared 192 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: to deal with FENTANYHL, but Corey kept asking for something stronger, 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: something stronger, something stronger. Remember that two or three weeks 194 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: before Eric died on Valentine's Day, he ate a sandwich 195 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: that she had picked up for him and he got really, really, 196 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: really sick. And now she's charged in addition to his murder, 197 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: the attempted murder, of trying to kill him that day 198 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day. So when that didn't work, she kept 199 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: pushing this house cleaner to get her more stronger, stronger, 200 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: and stronger drugs, which they say, ultimately there was those 201 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: drugs that street dealing fentanyl that ended up taking his life. 202 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: And Nate, let's go back to Valentine's for a minute. 203 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: Didn't she put in a love note with that sandwich. 204 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: She was constantly telling him the love I guess you 205 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: could call it love bombing. In fact, there were texts 206 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: from that day where she said that you know, the 207 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: sandwich is ready for you, and I love you, You're 208 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: my Valentine. But she wasn't with him, and then he said, 209 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't I don't feel well. I'm gonna lie down, 210 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: and she kept following up with how are you feeling, 211 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: how are you feeling? How are you doing? And he 212 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: took a nap and he never took a nap during 213 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: the middle of the day. By the way, never they 214 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: analyzed his app that tracks your steps and they said 215 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: that every day Eric Richins is not tide that's going 216 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: to lie down for two hours and have a nap. 217 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: But he did, and he said he felt horrible, but 218 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: he didn't overcome it. Then when they got together with 219 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: friends later on, he jokingly, jokingly said Corey tried to 220 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: poison me, and they were all laughing about it as friends. 221 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: And turns out he may not have been wrong, but 222 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: you know, at the time it was a joke. She 223 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: made me really sick. Don't eat anything Corey's going to 224 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: give you, And sadly that prosecution says that's exactly what happened. 225 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: Well, my mama used to say, there's truth in humor, right, 226 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he might have been joking, but he might 227 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: have subconsciously thought, I don't know, I was fine till 228 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: her sandwich and she sure wanted to make sure I 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: had it and ate it and then how were you feeling? 230 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: So to me, that just shows how twisted she is. 231 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: Well, she clearly more and more is coming out. Just 232 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: the other day, they admitted an exhibit she went to 233 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: a like a self help seminar retreat in Sedona with 234 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: a bunch of girlfriends and they had to write their 235 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: life story in third person. They admitted this as evidence 236 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: very clearly to show that man, she's kind of had 237 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: a messed up life. Her father served prison time, her 238 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: mother was a gambling addict. She moved and if all 239 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: of this is true, by the way, Cheryl I have 240 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: not confirmed this, but in her life story, her telling 241 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: of her life story, dad served time in prison, mother 242 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: was a compulsive gambler. They moved seventeen time to seventeen 243 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,119 Speaker 2: states when she was a kid. She overcame all this hardship, 244 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: all this drama, started a multimillion dollar business and overcame it. 245 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: It's one of those that you would read and be like, Wow, 246 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: this person should write a book or there should be 247 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: a movie on them, because it's so admirable what they've accomplished. 248 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Maybe that's just her seeking approval from everybody, but she 249 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 2: clearly was very much focused on her and what she 250 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: was accomplishing and getting ahead in life for her rather 251 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: than her husband and her family. 252 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: And then there's the is on her computer that could 253 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: bury her alone. Even without some of this witness testimony 254 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: She researched things like what is a lethal dose of ventanyl? 255 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty damning when that's what your husband 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: died from and you supposedly had no idea he was 257 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: taken or used in or buy it? 258 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: And Google searched prisons for the wealthy? And what are 259 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: things what are things like at the Utah State Prison? 260 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: And can you hide fentanyl in your system? What is 261 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: a cause of death? I mean pages and pages and 262 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: pages of Internet searches. 263 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: Or one of my favorite, since it's about money, cause 264 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: of death does not impact life insurance payout right, yep? 265 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean she needed to know that. 266 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: For sure, and they two or three weeks before he died. 267 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Who should happen to get a new life insurance policy 268 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: but her husband. And the other thing that we learned 269 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: Cheryl speak about money is she took out a a 270 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: home equity line of credit a helock without The prosecution 271 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: says that Eric had no idea she forged his name 272 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars loan. She needed that money. 273 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: She was constantly moving money around from one loan to 274 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: the other, to the other to the other, writing ten 275 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: thousand dollars checks to herself from accounts that had fifty 276 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: cents in them, depositing them in other accounts just to 277 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: try to keep ahead. Eric finds out that she's taken 278 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: out this helock on their home for two hundred and 279 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars. Is furious, calls his family and says, 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: I need a divorce attorney, and they hooked him up 281 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: with a divorce attorney. And you know who's testifying it 282 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: this trial. The divorce attorney, the family members, the life 283 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: insurance people, the bank loan people that where she took 284 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: out the helock helock, all of those people are coming 285 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: in and saying, here's the receipts, here's what's happened. 286 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, it's amazing she went to trial. I 287 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: mean it seems like she would have tried to make 288 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: a deal. 289 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: You would think. So now she's not up for death penalty. 290 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: She could be it is in Utah not but she 291 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: could face life in prison. We thought the same thing, 292 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: Cheryl of she's gonna take a plea and gonna walk. 293 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: But you know, remember how Lorie Valo didn't take a 294 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: plea in any of her three trials. Corey Richins seems defiant. 295 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: Corey Richins has two very qualified well, she has three attorneys, 296 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: two of them very qualified women. In fact, one of 297 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: them is representing Tyler Robinson, the man accused of killing 298 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. This is a woman that has experience in 299 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: high profile cases. She's not cheap, she is not a 300 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: public defender. She is not cheap. Corey has two of 301 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: the best attorneys assisting her in her defense. And I 302 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: predict that sometime in the next few days, prosecution will 303 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: rest and then the defense will take take the standard. 304 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: And if you ask me, I think what they're going 305 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: to do is really stress the fact that Eric liked 306 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: THHC gummies And how can you prove that Corey actually 307 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: gave him the fentanyl? What if he wanted it, what 308 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: if he asked her for it, what if he took 309 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: it himself, He mixed up a pill, he went to 310 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: take an offxy cotone because he had a sore back 311 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: and took a fatanyl. I think they're going to really 312 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: try to beat that drum. Yeah, she had an affair, 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah she was in financial straits struggles, but he took 314 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: the pill. I guess we'll see, But that's kind of 315 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: where I think they're gonna go. 316 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: I want to get back to Robert Josh Grossman. Sorry, 317 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: I kind of put us off. I wanted to start 318 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: with him, and then I got on a tangent my fault. 319 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: But there's just so much here. It's like Nancy Gray says, 320 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: drinking from a fire hose. But once he got past 321 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: the I'm not gonna live and I ain't gonna tell 322 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the whole truth. You know, he testified about her, asking 323 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: him if you ever killed anybody, what did it feel like? 324 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: And then I want you to explain to me what 325 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: happened because I wasn't able to watch it, like I said, 326 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know why did he start crying? 327 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: So he walks in the courtroom and they go to 328 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: swear them in, and he doesn't quite understand what they're saying. 329 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: And that's when he turns to the judge and says 330 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: the whole truth, and we don't know. It seems like 331 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: he was kind of wondering, like, wait, you want me 332 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: to tell my whole story. The judge immediately pauses everything 333 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: and says, jurors please go for a walk, sends them out, 334 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: pulls him up on the witness stand and says, sir, 335 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: do you understand what it means to tell the truth. Yes, 336 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: do you promise you will tell the truth today? Yes? Okay, 337 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: we're clear. Yes. So I think he just had a misunderstanding. 338 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: So the jury comes back in and they go and 339 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: admit an hour of text messages between him and Corey. 340 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: And as these texts are coming up on the screen, 341 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: he's not reading them. The prosecutor doesn't want him to 342 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: read them out loud. Instead, the jury's reading them and 343 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: we're reading them as we're as they're being shown up 344 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: on the screen. And I think it was him coming 345 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: face to face with a woman he loved. Clearly the 346 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: text show it. He knew she was having an affair, 347 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: and I think that he just felt awful about the situation. 348 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 2: In fact, he praised Eric. He said Eric was a 349 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: phenomenal father, and he showed more emotion Cheryl than Corey 350 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: Richards has shown in all the I just think he 351 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: felt bad. This This is a guy who you know, 352 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: flips home for a living and they met because he 353 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: entered a uh he answer to help want it sign 354 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: for Corey. He moved out to Utah during COVID and 355 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 2: he was her worker, and he said he lived in 356 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: one of one of the homes and run down home 357 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: with his dog. And that's all they needed. This was 358 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: a guy that would work sunrise to sunset and and 359 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: you know, never got a college education or anything. And 360 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: I think he just fell fell in love with her 361 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: and she led him along and and he just was 362 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: was just felt bad about the whole thing. And I 363 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: think a lot of people felt sorry that, you know, 364 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 2: he had to take the stand and he's never been 365 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: charged with anything. He came forward though, and said, I 366 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: have these texts. And when it was actually that children's book, 367 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: he said, when he heard she'd written the book, he 368 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: called Eric's sister and said, I have to confess something. 369 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: I was having an affair with your brother's wife. I 370 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: feel horrible about it, and I think I need to 371 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: tell the truth. And they put him in touch with 372 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: investigators and that's how he ended up on the stand 373 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: the other day. 374 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: So just one more victim in her way. 375 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would appear that way. She showed no emotion 376 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: at all when he was on the stand, and she 377 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: led him along in these texts like I can't wait 378 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: to marry you. I think I want to marry you. 379 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: In fact, the day that Eric died. They were supposed 380 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: to meet up for brunch and mimosas, and when she 381 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: didn't show up, he said she was always on time. 382 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: He texted her and said, what's up, what's going on? 383 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: Where are you And she said Eric died and he said, 384 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm devastated. And then the relationship fell apart within the 385 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: next six months. But yeah, he definitely felt hard for 386 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: her and got to tell his story and it was 387 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: it was definitely some emotional moments there in the courtroom. 388 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: What has been the most shocking thing you've learned being 389 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. 390 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: I think the finances has just just how much money 391 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 2: she was in debt and how it seems Eric didn't 392 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: know she was in a just a world of hurt 393 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: and thought that she could come out from it, and 394 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: it seems like she was desperate to do anything to 395 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: get the money and that I think led to his death. 396 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 2: We did know before that he had died of fentanyl poisoning. 397 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: I think that it's it's and they had the medical 398 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: examiner take the stand and they said, yeah, he did 399 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: have COVID, but that didn't kill him. He did have 400 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: COVID at the time he died, and there were some 401 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: spots on his lungs that were from he was a 402 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: masonry He ran a masonry company and there's a lot 403 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: of dust when it comes to cutting the stone, so 404 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: he had inhaled some of that. There were some white spots. 405 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: But the lies she told people that he died of 406 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: a long fungus infection that his mother had passed away 407 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: from not true. And all of these are coming out 408 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: in text messages and just to see her lack of 409 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: any any sort of remorse. Now granted her attorneys, if 410 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: told there, do not show any emotion whatever. But sometimes 411 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: when you're in those situations and you have your best 412 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: friend testifying, you have your former boyfriend, you have your 413 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: family in court, all of these things coming together, sometimes 414 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: it hits you in the heart and you can't control 415 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 2: your emotions. But for her, we have seen none of that. 416 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: How do you think this is going to play out? 417 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Like you think they're almost done with the prosecution. What 418 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: possible defense does she have? 419 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: Like? 420 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: Who can she call? She can't call her in law, 421 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: she can't call her sister in laws, she can't call 422 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: her closest friends they've already been called. She can't call 423 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: her lover. I mean, who does she have. 424 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I know for sure. They've said 425 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: they plan to call their own medical expert to dispute 426 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: the autopsy. I don't know where that's going to go. 427 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: They'll probably call someone aelphone expert, because the state called 428 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: people that tracked her phone messages. I doubt she takes 429 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: the stand. I do not see it. If she takes 430 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: the stand and that opens it up to cross with 431 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: the prosecution, that that'll be something Cheryl. But I don't 432 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 2: know how else. I mean, I maybe the defense has 433 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: a slew of witnesses, maybe maybe her brother, maybe maybe 434 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: there are some other friends that will take her side. 435 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: But her best friend was on the stand days ago, 436 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: who thought she had bought a home that Corey had 437 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 2: coordinated and organized and was making monthly payments on. And 438 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: then she gets a notice that she does not own 439 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: the home and she's being evicted. Her best friend, Corey 440 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: threw her best friend under the bus for this. So yeah, 441 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: it'll be fascinating to see. The prosecution has indicated they 442 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: plan to rest Monday or Tuesday, and then it will 443 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: be up to the defense. They predict this trial will 444 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: be five weeks and we're going into week three. 445 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're never supposed to say anything as 446 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: a slammed because it never is, and things can get 447 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: tossed in there, and it takes one juror to not 448 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: see what everybody else maybe sees or believes. But again, 449 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't see any way for her to get out 450 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: of this box. I just don't. I mean, it's the money, 451 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: it's the children's book, it's the way things are worded 452 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: in the children's book. It's the text messages between her 453 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: and Josh. It's her physically attacking a sister in law. 454 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: It's that her husband already told people. Yeah, I don't 455 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: really trust what's going on. I'm going to remove her 456 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: as a beneficiary. I'm going to move this money. She's 457 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: stolen this money. I mean he talked to a divorce attorney. 458 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he got into the divorce attorney, a very high 459 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: profile divorce attorney. She had gone to a domestic relations 460 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: attorney herself. He I think knew I don't want to 461 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: say he knew that that she was in a world 462 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: of hurt, and I don't think, but I don't think 463 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: he knew the extent of it without a doubt. I 464 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: think if he had been told and she was keeping 465 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: things quiet in separate accounts and moving all this money around. 466 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: And he meanwhile had a really successful business with a 467 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: savings account with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands 468 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: of dollars, and when he died, the condition was that 469 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: his business partner would get all the life insurance money 470 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: from that to then buy the business. So she didn't 471 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: even get that money. That is one person we haven't 472 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: heard from yet, the business partner. He's supposed to testify 473 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: here in the next few days. 474 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, being an investigative reporter, you know, as well 475 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: as any investigator with a police department or shriff's department, 476 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: follow the money. That's one oh one. In this case, 477 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: you would follow the money, but almost in reverse because 478 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: she ain't got any. So there's your motive, right, But 479 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: like you said, that's the thing that just boggled your mind. 480 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: I have a legitimate question. How was she able to 481 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: continue to get loans and buy houses when she was 482 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: in debt to the extent that she was. 483 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered the same thing. And they had a 484 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: forensic accountant explain that there's what are they're called hard 485 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: money lenders, and what they are, it's not like you 486 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: go to the bank and get one thousand dollars and 487 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: they run a credit check. These are very wealthy people 488 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 2: who have millions of dollars who you go to them 489 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: and say, Okay, I need two hundred and fifty K 490 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: and i'll but i'll it's for this home that I'm 491 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: going to flip, and I'm going to flip it within 492 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: the next six months. And when I flip it, you'll 493 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: get three hundred and fifty K because the profit or 494 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: three hundred whatever the terms are. And so these hard 495 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: money lenders are willing to take these very risky propositions. 496 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: And she lied on her resume or on her application. 497 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: We saw that she really inflated stuff, and they're making money. 498 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: It's you start to the second you sign that deal, 499 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: you're there. You're paying two or three thousand dollars a 500 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: day interest. So she was able to get all these 501 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: hard money loans from these different companies that were doing it, 502 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: and then she was able to I mean, like I said, 503 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: she did have success in some of the homes in 504 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: the beginning, but then she just became it became too much, 505 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: and so she was getting all these hard money loans 506 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: and not paying them back, and it got to the 507 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: point in October of twenty one, six months before Eric died. 508 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: There they said all of her credit, all of her 509 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: bank funds had dried up. She was at the end 510 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: of the road. She could not get any more money 511 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: and nothing was coming in. And then we know that 512 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: that's when things with Eric really started to get strenuous, 513 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: and that's when ultimately she thought she could go. Oh, 514 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: and Cheryl, we haven't even talked about the. 515 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Memes Oh please please yes. 516 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: Hours after Eric dies she gets or sends We are 517 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: not sure. They haven't said, but there are three memes 518 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 2: on her phone. One is from the guy from Dumb 519 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: and Dummer who's blowing his nose into money. Another is 520 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump saying I'm filthy rich, and another one 521 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: is a meme from a movie that says I'm surrounded 522 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: by idiots. That's at eight point thirty on the morning 523 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: her husband dies, in the three o'clock hour. They believe 524 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: eight thirty in the morning, she's sending or receiving those memes. 525 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: That's pretty damning. That's how the prosecution ended their opening 526 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: statement with those memes. 527 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: No, that's pretty damning, and I'm gonna tell you. You're not 528 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: taking care of your children, You're not in the floor 529 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: just being hysterical because of what you've lost, the person 530 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: that you've lost. I mean, I don't know a jury 531 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: member that's gonna look at those and go, yeah, I 532 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: can see that happening. No, there's no excuse for any 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: of this behavior. Not the money, not the stealing from 534 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: your husband, not the trying to get money out of 535 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: the house that he doesn't know about, not the buying fitanel. 536 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just one thing after the other. It's 537 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: not like one avenue makes her look bad. They all 538 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: make her look bad. 539 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: That's another thing that you asked. What surprised me the most. 540 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: I think seeing her on the body camera footage as 541 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: police arrived after her husband died, it was I don't 542 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: want to say it was an act, but you could 543 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: say it was an act. She kept her hands, her 544 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: head in her hands like the whole time and was 545 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: trying to appeared that she was trying to force cry. 546 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: When Eric's sister arrived, she was hysterical. The first thing 547 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: she said, are where are my boys? Meaning her nephews, 548 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: And she fell to the ground, collapsed, wanting to know 549 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: what happened to her brother. There was more angst and 550 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: sorrow on behalf of her sister than Corey herself and 551 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: I any parent, well really anyone, but especially if you 552 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: have kids and you see that bodycam footage, you're going 553 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: to think something's not right with that reaction. And the 554 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: officer who's been to hundreds of these type of things 555 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: testified to that that he'd never seen anybody react quite 556 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: like that. 557 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, Nate, I am so grateful you are there. I 558 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: feel like we've got eyes on this thing in a 559 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: way we wouldn't if you, you know, weren't sitting front row. 560 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: But I appreciate you breaking this down for us. And 561 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: will you please come back as the jury is maybe deliberating, 562 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: or after they get done, because I would love to 563 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: know start to finish what we missed, what you put together, 564 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: what you heard, what you saw. 565 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, for sure. 566 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: Well I appreciate it, and y'all just so you know, 567 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: he was running from breaking news today to meet with 568 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: us tonight, so you Carol, Well, I appreciate it so much, y'all. 569 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: I had such a great time talking to Nate. But 570 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, we recorded this several weeks ago. A lot 571 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: has transpired in this case since Nate and I talked, 572 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to give you a little update 573 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: of kind of where we are now, where the case 574 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: sits now has rested. And they said some really just 575 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: powerful things in their statement. One, of course, they did 576 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: the old standby that the defendant had means, motive, an 577 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: opportunity for the murder. But one thing that the prosecutor 578 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: said to the jury that I thought was powerful. He 579 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: talked about the debt that Corey was in and that 580 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: she wanted to leave her husband but didn't want to 581 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: leave his money. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but 582 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: he said, there was a way forward. Eric had to die. Now, 583 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was compelling. I thought that was a 584 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: fantastic statement for the jury to absorb. Now, you know, 585 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: Nate and I talked about it. We're waiting on the 586 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: defense put your witnesses up. Let's hear it, y'all. They 587 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: didn't put up. Not one witness, nobody, old body came 588 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: forward to talk about Corey, to give her an alibi, 589 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: to give her a way out of this situation, to 590 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: show that she did not in fact by fentanyl for murder. 591 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: Not one person came forward to talk about, well, she 592 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: wasn't in that bad of financial situation. She had a 593 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: way out, she had a plan. She had talked to 594 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: me about loan, she had talked about flipping another house. 595 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: We didn't hear from anybody like that. Now, the state, 596 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: as you know, for three weeks, put people up. Nate 597 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: talked about most of them, talked about her sister in law, 598 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: talked about friends, talked about the housekeeper. Everybody that the 599 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: state lined up told a story, and it told a 600 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: story that this person, this defendant, bought fentanyl, this person 601 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: tried to kill him on Valentines. He even told people 602 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: that people tested to what the victim told them about 603 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: the defendant. It went on and on. They painted a 604 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: real solid picture. So now this is where we are, y'all. 605 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: Shouldn't be any surprise to anybody. But the jury came 606 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: back guilty, and y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven 607 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: the way that I always do with a quote, but 608 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: when I read this one, I'm gonna add something to 609 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: it myself. The defense attorney at the trial played the 610 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: nine one one call of when Corey called Dispatch Crime 611 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: that her husband was not breathing. Her defense attorney Nestor says, 612 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: and I quote, those are the sounds of a wife 613 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: becoming a widow. Well, I'm going to add he's incorrect. 614 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: That's the sounds of a wife becoming a murderer. I'm 615 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.