Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're so big time we
Speaker 1: can wear shorts to work.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm here in.
Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio with my partner Patrick Claybonn.
Speaker 2: Who. Yeah, he is big time enough.
Speaker 1: He's one of the only two people Eric Roberts has
Speaker 1: ever seen wearing short.
Speaker 3: I'm shocked to hear that, yes, because honestly I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't see myself as big time now nor definitely
Speaker 3: when I first came here for my interview, didn't wear
Speaker 3: shorts on my interview, But in that first year coming
Speaker 3: to work at three o'clock in the morning to do
Speaker 3: news shifts, I who am I am?
Speaker 4: I dressing up for the walls.
Speaker 1: That's fair, But now you got people getting in your grill.
Speaker 1: I think it was Dave Shott, who's in the news
Speaker 1: runs the news department, and in some way that the
Speaker 1: talent there, Like I think I wore shorts once and
Speaker 1: he yelled at me enough and he I've pretty yelled
Speaker 1: at you too that I never did any.
Speaker 3: It wasn't yelling. I think that first interaction with Greg
Speaker 3: Rosenthal taught him a lesson. You don't come at Greg's
Speaker 3: and it maybe gave shot a little bit of a
Speaker 3: lesson on how to deal with people in shorts.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a big show here, it's a pre super
Speaker 1: Bowl week show, and I told you guys before the show,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those days where you feel like
Speaker 1: you're always playing playing catchups. I feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: stuck in a one two count right now and I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just fouling the balls off and barely surviving.
Speaker 1: So I hope we deliver what's going to be a
Speaker 1: really fun show and we're including you our listeners in
Speaker 1: it because I asked on the old interwebs on Blue
Speaker 1: Sky for some questions, and so we're going to have
Speaker 1: a fun mail bag and then we're also going to
Speaker 1: do our calls of the year, and we don't know
Speaker 1: who's gonna win. Eric really took control of this process.
Speaker 1: He's putting on his big boy pants and covering up
Speaker 1: that those big leg tattoos, and I don't know what's.
Speaker 5: I went back and clicked through every recap show of
Speaker 5: the season.
Speaker 2: My Wow.
Speaker 5: Listen to at least the opening highlight for every game
Speaker 5: of the year.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So again, before you guys get mad and somebody thinks
Speaker 3: that your team is being slighted. Listen to what Eric
Speaker 3: just went through. He's already done the work to do
Speaker 3: those calls every single week of the season. He went
Speaker 3: back and listened to every single one of them. Your
Speaker 3: team has not been slided, he grinded for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a list of like forty to start,
Speaker 5: so we have to We can't. We can't be here
Speaker 5: all day, guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, that means we will get to the questions that
Speaker 1: you guys sent in again on Blue Sky after just
Speaker 1: a quick couple items.
Speaker 2: They just want to throw out there. This is a
Speaker 2: daily show.
Speaker 1: We want to keep everyone abreast of what's happening around
Speaker 1: the league, and these are just quick hitters. I noticed
Speaker 1: the Cowboys they extended their personnel chief, Will McLay. Nice
Speaker 1: move for them. Actually makes me feel a little better
Speaker 1: about what's going on in Dallas, as does the Eberflus
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Things make sense pickup, I kinda I like that.
Speaker 1: Because mcclay's contract was coming up soon, there was some
Speaker 1: question he's done a good job picking players along with
Speaker 1: the Joneses. Of course, we hadn't mentioned on the show
Speaker 1: that the Bengals found their new defensive coordinator it's Al Golden,
Speaker 1: who just did a nice job at Notre Dame, had
Speaker 1: previously been with the Bengals, and I believe when they
Speaker 1: fired lou An Arumo, the buzz there was they're basically
Speaker 1: going to hire this guy, so he's their coach. They
Speaker 1: are not going to have their tight end Eric All
Speaker 1: for the entire twenty twenty five season, which is really disappointing.
Speaker 1: He had a great rookie year. There were some complications
Speaker 1: after his surgery.
Speaker 2: And then I.
Speaker 1: Saw some quotes down at Mobile the Parallel Universe of
Speaker 1: the NFL right now that was from Andrew Berry, and
Speaker 1: he said, we have no interest in trading Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: and you can even assume that we want to sign
Speaker 1: Miles again to a contract in the coming days, in
Speaker 1: the coming months. The fact that he said it so definitively,
Speaker 1: actually I took that as that's real news.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: You feel like there's no subject future here and it's
Speaker 3: all obvious.
Speaker 1: I think when you say on the record, we're planning
Speaker 1: to sign him to a contract, and he almost put
Speaker 1: a timeline on it, like it's going to happen this offseason,
Speaker 1: even though he has two years left on his deal.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's probably progress there, and he wouldn't
Speaker 1: just say that to say that.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm wrong. No, maybe I think that's good
Speaker 2: news for you.
Speaker 3: It seems it seems obvious, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: If people are going to do things that seem obviously
Speaker 3: and fore gone. It's when things go the other way
Speaker 3: they kind of get weird. Like signing a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a problem. They need to go find
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Maybe they'll draft one of those quarterbacks in mobile.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Senior Bowl on our
Speaker 1: laugh show of the week.
Speaker 2: You'll hear that on Friday. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: And the only other item of news is really the
Speaker 1: subject of our first skeet tweet. I like just calling
Speaker 1: him tweets, so let's throw him up there. This one
Speaker 1: is from Benoit's Smart Car. He asks, is the Saints'
Speaker 1: job the worst one this year?
Speaker 2: The worst one this decade? Funny phrasing. There.
Speaker 1: The news of the day, because yes, the Saints haven't
Speaker 1: hired their head coach yet, is that Kellen Moore did
Speaker 1: a second interview, And based on if you're reading between
Speaker 1: the lines of the local reporting, it seems like he's
Speaker 1: now the favorite to get that job, and they might
Speaker 1: be waiting until the Super Bowl is over to give
Speaker 1: the keys to Kellen Moore for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that and this question?
Speaker 3: Well, I think in terms of what's available right now,
Speaker 3: and Kellen Moore is not the hot name that he
Speaker 3: once was. Considering the other options one in particular, and
Speaker 3: I've seen floated out there. I feel like Kellen Moore
Speaker 3: would be better than a John Gruden or some categorical
Speaker 3: failure in mistake.
Speaker 1: Right, he never interviewed in the end, but it keeps
Speaker 1: us being out there. Y yes, praise God.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, as far as the job, like the evaluating,
Speaker 3: I really don't think it's that bad. If you think
Speaker 3: that Loomis is, you know, has one foot out, if
Speaker 3: Gail is starting to look sideways at him, like if
Speaker 3: that's a particular thing, I don't know if it's that concern.
Speaker 4: I'm looking back.
Speaker 3: If we're talking about worst jobs in the last decade,
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl, he had all the cashit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he got fired. He got fired by the same team
Speaker 3: that fired Andy Reid. Right he goes to Jacksonville, with
Speaker 3: Trent Balky, and they consistently get worse as time goes on.
Speaker 3: After that, that Urban fiasco where I'm looking at it
Speaker 3: and saying like, how great of a position was dug in?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 1: And yes, I think with the way the Jaguars have
Speaker 1: got about this coaching search and they don't even have
Speaker 1: a GM right now, like they don't seem like they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: There was a couple of pre Demico coaching situations in Houston.
Speaker 2: That was the first one that came to mind.
Speaker 3: I don't think this compares to either one of those.
Speaker 3: I know we can do the cap Malfeason's thing and
Speaker 3: talk about projecting things into the future, and I don't
Speaker 3: necessarily think the cap prohibits you from being close. I mean,
Speaker 3: the team had an opportunity in the division this year,
Speaker 3: right it was in I think we have a referential
Speaker 3: question coming up later where we can get into specifics
Speaker 3: on the twenty twenty four Saints. But this team was
Speaker 3: devastated by injuries all across the board and as well
Speaker 3: as coming in with Dennis Allen as your head coach
Speaker 3: again in twenty twenty four, where I don't necessarily think
Speaker 3: it's that bad of a job.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the worst jobs of the decade.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it'd be the worst. I would say
Speaker 1: those Houston teams were the first one that popped to mind.
Speaker 1: I think the girod Mayo, even though I was very
Speaker 1: harsh on him, entered a pretty.
Speaker 2: Difficult situation last year.
Speaker 1: Drake may arriving made that a little better, but at
Speaker 1: the time he got it, especially in the roster that
Speaker 1: he had, and just the situation there that was pretty rough.
Speaker 1: The Panthers pre Canalis, I mean just it's been a
Speaker 1: rough It's been a rough road. But this Saints job
Speaker 1: I think is uniquely bad because of the Mickey Loomis situation.
Speaker 1: It really seems like he is staying and I think
Speaker 1: the way that he is run that team, it's just
Speaker 1: time and he is running it in such a way
Speaker 1: that he has as much power as almost anyone, and
Speaker 1: I thought he might get pushed out. And you see
Speaker 1: the different people that didn't want that job. Aaron Glenn
Speaker 1: literally talked about at his press conference how much he
Speaker 1: wanted the Jets' job compared to the Saints. He was
Speaker 1: in that building just five years ago, so he knows
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. I think that should be a
Speaker 1: red flag to Gail Benson. Joe Brady was in that
Speaker 1: building and the Saints were very interested in him. By
Speaker 1: all reports, he decides to stay in Buffalo. So these
Speaker 1: are two guys that knew the organization well. Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: was not in that building but worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of people that were. Dan Campbell, He's hiring a guy
Speaker 1: as his OC that was with Sean Payton in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of connection there.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to go there, and I think Mickey
Speaker 1: Loomis in New Orleans to me, is very similar to
Speaker 1: the Trent Balki situation. And you can say that the
Speaker 1: roster could be worse.
Speaker 2: You're You're right. There are worse teams out there. For sure.
Speaker 1: It's not a tough division, but the quarterback situation is
Speaker 1: is very tricky with what you're gonna do with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Do you if you keep them another year, then it
Speaker 1: kind of kicks the can down the road, and the
Speaker 1: salary cap is a problem. I think at some point,
Speaker 1: as much as I think it's been a little overblown,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to bite.
Speaker 2: The bullet a little.
Speaker 1: Bit and and start thinking about not just shooting for
Speaker 1: seven or eight wins. So that's a tough situation. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Kellen Moore is the guy to turn
Speaker 1: it all around. I don't even know if they eat.
Speaker 1: Like if you ask the average Eagles fan, like, they're
Speaker 1: not super pumped on Kellen Moore. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, give it, give it a week and a half. Right,
Speaker 1: we'll see that's fair. Let's go to the next question. Uh,
Speaker 1: this one is from Los G's Los G's, which it's
Speaker 1: just like a familiar name. I feel like, uh, I
Speaker 1: feel like we've we've crossed pass.
Speaker 4: Here before it does it does feel familiar.
Speaker 1: Halfway through the decade, which players are locks for the
Speaker 1: All Decade team? I love this question? He said Mahomes
Speaker 1: is the first QB. Which QB would be second, Allen
Speaker 1: or Lamar?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: To answer the second question, first, it's clearly Lamar because
Speaker 1: he has two First Team All Pros this decade and
Speaker 1: probably two MVPs, So I think that's I think he's
Speaker 1: got a probably a solid lead as the second team
Speaker 1: quarterback right now. But we're only halfway through the decade
Speaker 1: and Josh has a chance there it's not like a
Speaker 1: huge gap. And Joe Burrow will be in that mix.
Speaker 1: Who knows Jayden Daniels might be in that mix.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I fun fact.
Speaker 3: In looking into that question, I had to remind myself
Speaker 3: that Tom Brady had twelve thousand passing yards since the
Speaker 3: start of twenty twenty, which was crazy to me, but
Speaker 3: like over like it wasn't even close, but.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady was tom Brady with the Bucks was like incredible.
Speaker 3: Anyways, it doesn't yeah, it doesn't make any sense, but
Speaker 3: he's not gonna have the longevity in the decade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the first team really, I think the more interesting conversation
Speaker 3: because we can beat Patrick and Josh I mean now
Speaker 3: and Lamar to death. The running back discussion, oh with
Speaker 3: like what Saquon's doing now? Yeah, Derreck Henry I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: as that first team case, okay so far, but it's
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a push. It's going to be a
Speaker 3: push here towards the finish.
Speaker 1: It's a long way to go though, John Robinson, I
Speaker 1: think could could have a chance in the long run.
Speaker 2: You got to get there.
Speaker 1: So I took the question very very literally, and this
Speaker 1: was probably my favorite one I got because it speaks
Speaker 1: to what I get into these Hall of Fame cases,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And I went and searched on Pro
Speaker 1: Football Reference, and you can sort by approximate value, which
Speaker 1: is just like a good way of like starts and awards.
Speaker 1: And then I just figured, well, you probably have to
Speaker 1: have one first team All Pro to even be considered
Speaker 1: halfway through the decade. So I sorted it by that,
Speaker 1: And the question was, who are all decade locks only
Speaker 1: halfway through? That is an extremely high bar to be
Speaker 1: a lock halfway through. Why can't I say the word
Speaker 1: lock normally? And I think I came up with with
Speaker 1: one total lock, and that's Miles Garrett. He has four
Speaker 1: first Team All pros. I don't actually think there's a
Speaker 1: case for anyone as better at what he's done.
Speaker 2: He's what I hear.
Speaker 4: I hear the angry reprisal.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's fair, good point.
Speaker 6: T J.
Speaker 1: Watt has three first first team All Pro so he's
Speaker 1: only one behind their approximate value. He was the highest
Speaker 1: non quarterback. He was actually third overall according to Pro
Speaker 1: Football Reference, behind Lamar and Patrick Mahomes, just in terms
Speaker 1: of their little metric. But I just think four and
Speaker 1: I think he's going to keep it going. To me,
Speaker 1: he's he's the He's a lock. Just about the other
Speaker 1: two that popped up to me have a really good case.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones is at three, and I think with what
Speaker 1: he's done in the playoffs, even if it doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see how the rest of the decade goes man,
Speaker 1: he'll be tough to keep off that. And then Fred
Speaker 1: Warner is interesting. He's done first team All Pro four
Speaker 1: out of five years now, so he's pretty up there.
Speaker 1: Those are the closest I found to locks. It's hard
Speaker 1: to make a lock halfway through the decade because you
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen the next five years.
Speaker 1: Even Mahomes isn't necessarily a lock. If some quarterback like
Speaker 1: Alan or Jaden or Burrow just go absolutely crazy and
Speaker 1: have the best stretch we've ever seen from a quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's possible.
Speaker 2: But those are my locks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a long way to go.
Speaker 3: I kind of wondered towards the front end, right because
Speaker 3: I was looking in to the Brady situation where because
Speaker 3: Tom doesn't qualify, but the guys who retired in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: I mean, excuse me, the guys who are set to
Speaker 3: retire right now, who's got those five years to get
Speaker 3: in and it comes it becomes a little tougher.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things that's annoying about the All
Speaker 1: Decade Team, which I do like that there is just
Speaker 1: a randomness to it that when your career, like if
Speaker 1: you start at fifteen and end at twenty five, you
Speaker 1: have a less likely chance to make the All Decade Team.
Speaker 2: And if you start at ten and then at twenty.
Speaker 4: So Kelsey, I guess are both Kelsey's out.
Speaker 1: They have chances. I wrote them down as like guys
Speaker 1: who would have have a chance. They both have a
Speaker 1: couple All Pros. But Travis I think would have a
Speaker 1: better chance. Certainly that he would be my pick at
Speaker 1: tight end for the last five years. Okay so far,
Speaker 1: but we got five more to go. Some other interesting names.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt, he's got three first team All Pros. Trent Williams,
Speaker 1: you know he could get it done. Rokwan Smith has
Speaker 1: three first team All Pros. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: is he an All Decade guy.
Speaker 2: He might be.
Speaker 3: It would the linebacker group would lean with heavy bias
Speaker 3: towards guys in the middle and so like you may
Speaker 3: get that positional mail. Yeah, one's right, We're like Roque
Speaker 3: one's playing outside.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: And then some guys who I think have a chance.
Speaker 1: JJ I think has a great chance. He has two
Speaker 1: first team opros so far, but he's got this whole
Speaker 1: rest of the decade to go. Tyreek and DeVante Adams
Speaker 1: both have three, and so they're in that mix, but
Speaker 1: they're kind of headed on the downslope. And then some
Speaker 1: younger guys Tristan Wurf's Pine Sewell both have a couple early,
Speaker 1: so if they can start stacking up numbers. Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: is another one. Aaron Donald, did you know pack in three?
Speaker 1: Pretty great, That's what I'm saying. Yes, so fun question.
Speaker 1: I like, I like thinking about that. And it's not
Speaker 1: over at quarterback. You can always catch up to patri Bumps.
Speaker 2: You never know. All right, Let's go to the next one.
Speaker 2: This is from the Red Shark.
Speaker 1: It asks should the forty nine ers draft the quarterback
Speaker 1: there next year or this year?
Speaker 2: Can they win a Super Bowl if they pay pretty Yes?
Speaker 4: I mean yes. Can they ruin a Super Bowl with
Speaker 4: Rock Perty on the roster? Yes?
Speaker 3: Can the can they construct the roster in the way
Speaker 3: that they need to. I think you have an advantage
Speaker 3: when you get a player that's good in show success
Speaker 3: early on that you don't necessarily have to play. I mean,
Speaker 3: Rock Purdy was getting paid more in the supplemental bonus
Speaker 3: in the play performance.
Speaker 1: Bonthent right, they already could have won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He played more than well enough. I think throughout that
Speaker 1: playoff run to win a super Bowl. If their defense
Speaker 1: played a little bit better, a few things happened, they
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But I think right the way that we've seen these
Speaker 3: quarterback contracts grow over the course of years, where the
Speaker 3: percentage of the cap, I don't think you're going to
Speaker 3: have to give him cap percentage money like Tua gat
Speaker 3: or Trevor Win's got right, because it's just the way
Speaker 3: that these contracts line up in the timing of which
Speaker 3: who gets paid when they get paid. Yeah, you can
Speaker 3: get a number that would look crazy a few years ago,
Speaker 3: but percentage of the cap wise, I don't necessarily think
Speaker 3: it's going to do the damage word. It's like, oh god,
Speaker 3: we got to play the quarter because like the guys
Speaker 3: that got paid were we just saw them in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: like these are the guys or you either were getting
Speaker 3: paid or you were a highly selected draft pick. It's
Speaker 3: these are the guys that it takes to win bron
Speaker 3: Perty's earned payment in my opinion, And I know that
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of ass in on arguments. The
Speaker 3: guy's gone out there and played well and it hasn't
Speaker 3: been an abject disaster, So yeah, he deserves to be compensated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it to drag out all offseason.
Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers have made a mistake
Speaker 1: handling it that way with so many of their stars.
Speaker 1: But people get so fixated on can you possibly win
Speaker 1: with a quarterback on your you know cap that big
Speaker 1: last year that four or five of the teams that
Speaker 1: had the highest dead cap in the entire league were
Speaker 1: in the divisional round. And so that's not just like
Speaker 1: paying fifty fifty million dollars to a really good player.
Speaker 1: The Rams, for instance, who I think had a really
Speaker 1: good team last year. The Packers, who had had a
Speaker 1: really good team last year. They're paying sixty seventy million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space to nobody, to Aaron Rodgers who
Speaker 1: was off the team, to Aaron Donald, who was off
Speaker 1: the team too, and they made it happen. Anyways, the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers even this year, like it's so much
Speaker 1: of their cap was in Ayuk and Debo and McCaffrey
Speaker 1: and those guys frankly weren't giving them that much this year.
Speaker 1: Debo was mostly healthy and they were all smart investments
Speaker 1: at the time. But like teams spend fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: routinely in worse ways than an above average quarterback. So
Speaker 1: I think it's very possible. Does it get twelve percent harder?
Speaker 1: Maybe it maybe becomes twelve percent harder to construct your team,
Speaker 1: But I think it's people really overrate whatever that percentage is,
Speaker 1: almost to the extent.
Speaker 3: That we overrate winning this one game a couple weeks
Speaker 3: in determining like how good is a team? Yes, everybody
Speaker 3: wants to win a super Bowl. It's great to win
Speaker 3: a super Bowl. It would be great for Rock Party
Speaker 3: had they been able to complete that pass where Chris
Speaker 3: Jones got in his face and they win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, in determining how good a team is and
Speaker 3: how capable they are, it doesn't necessarily because balls not round.
Speaker 3: Randomness dictates a whole lot of this, Yes, you can
Speaker 3: win with well.
Speaker 1: This leads perfectly into our next question from Stage eight
Speaker 1: Final Boss. Shout out to the Blue Sky followers out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love that they suddenly get way
Speaker 1: more people because of events that are happening in the world.
Speaker 1: But good questions here, and this one is directly related
Speaker 1: to what you just talked about.
Speaker 2: Patrick, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: What is that that Howie Roseman is doing that other
Speaker 1: gms aren't. We've seen a miss on free agents, namely
Speaker 1: last season, I mean missed on some of this season,
Speaker 1: I mean Bryce Huff, But the cap situations that restrict
Speaker 1: other teams never seem to bother the Eagles. Related to perty,
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hurts in this Eagles team is a
Speaker 1: perfect example that you do not need your fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars quarterback to be one of the five best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league to construct a really talented team around
Speaker 1: said quarterback. I've seen Jalen Hurts play better football than
Speaker 1: he did this. They almost won a Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: him playing net a ridiculously high level two years ago.
Speaker 1: He has not played consistently at that level this year,
Speaker 1: and yet front to back that they you know, these
Speaker 1: are the two best teams I think this year in
Speaker 1: the league that happened to make the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 1: They deserved it. And so that's a great example. I'll
Speaker 1: let you go first on what you think how he
Speaker 1: is doing right Well.
Speaker 3: There's there's been key points where the rest of the
Speaker 3: league failed right getting Saquon on this contract. Everybody should
Speaker 3: have been in on this. This This wasn't any particular
Speaker 3: genius level operation by Howie. This was a very good
Speaker 3: player in the division that they had seen plenty of times,
Speaker 3: and there was an opportunity to sign him at a
Speaker 3: reduced rate because overall the league's circumstances prohibited running backs
Speaker 3: from being paid what they should.
Speaker 1: Well, and the Eagles were as influential and that happening
Speaker 1: as anyone, which is funny, and then they watched the
Speaker 1: price get so low that they realize like, oh, actually
Speaker 1: this would be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, spectacular move that that literally everybody should have made.
Speaker 3: Sequon parklation have him on everybody's radar. But it's also
Speaker 3: hitting on these high variance things where I don't know
Speaker 3: draft circumstance. I think a conversation surrounding Jalen Carter made
Speaker 3: it feel like that was a high variance thing, but
Speaker 3: it was known going in right that this was one
Speaker 3: of the best players in the draft, if not the
Speaker 3: best player in the draft, and he was going to
Speaker 3: be there at eight. And so again I think that's
Speaker 3: another situation where everybody else's evaluation, regardless of how you
Speaker 3: feel about the situation, that the ability of the player. Right,
Speaker 3: if people had known that the player was going to
Speaker 3: demonstrate this level of ability on the football field, he
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been there for the Eagles to take right.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple of aspects there, and it's also
Speaker 3: getting out of things that aren't necessarily working because how
Speaker 3: he has this, he has the success. He's not constantly
Speaker 3: trying to save his job or keep his job, where
Speaker 3: if there's a Hassan Reddic type situation, if there's a
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz type situation, it just.
Speaker 1: Not going to be on this team anymore next year.
Speaker 1: They're just going to eat that as a mistake.
Speaker 3: Like how he recognizes that sunk cost is a logical
Speaker 3: fallacy and just go if you can make a move
Speaker 3: it and he has the cachet to be able to
Speaker 3: do that because he's not constantly worried about his job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that's key that they have a defined setup. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not always that comfortable for coaches. I don't think
Speaker 1: the coaches there are empowered. I think they kind of
Speaker 1: view the coaches as temporary employees. They're a little fungible
Speaker 1: to them. And that's just the way they do it.
Speaker 1: And but they have been consistent with that's Jeffrey Lurry
Speaker 1: and their owner and Howie Roseman really run the team
Speaker 1: in that manner and he trusts Howie to do so,
Speaker 1: and it's consistent.
Speaker 2: I think probably the number one number.
Speaker 1: There's two things I think they do better than other
Speaker 1: teams is that they sign their own guys who are
Speaker 1: good early, like really early, like Jordan Mylatta. How many
Speaker 1: contracts has Jordan Malatta had? Like they gave him a
Speaker 1: second contract after he played like four games, They're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what did we find and then they
Speaker 1: gave him a third contract when it's just like, let's
Speaker 1: get two years out in run of this. And if
Speaker 1: you look throughout the roster, like do you remember the
Speaker 1: AJ Brown Devanta Smith contracts that they got this offseason?
Speaker 2: No, nobody does a J Brown.
Speaker 1: No one even knew that he wanted a new contract
Speaker 1: because he was still two years away from it, but
Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure Devanta got his, and then
Speaker 1: they knew that might have played a certain way to
Speaker 1: the guy who's actually the best wide receiver on the roster,
Speaker 1: and they extended him, and so then of course aj
Speaker 1: Brown wants his numbers. But I think he's a happier
Speaker 1: productive Eagle when he's not getting his numbers because he
Speaker 1: feels like he was taking care of fairly. And you
Speaker 1: can go up and down this roster. Josh Sweat is
Speaker 1: actually another great example, paid early and often not a
Speaker 1: super I'm not saying they've done this perfectly with everyone,
Speaker 1: but I do think they do that more than other teams.
Speaker 3: And what that does is your window gets extended, right
Speaker 3: because you're not having to worry about about these decisions
Speaker 3: and all, so the price isn't going down like these.
Speaker 1: Guys, right, they usually get ahead of it and they
Speaker 1: look good. Lane Johnson, like when when was the Lane
Speaker 1: Johnson contract? Like problems, it never happens. They're always two
Speaker 1: years ahead of it. And actually it's it's almost unfortunate
Speaker 1: for their players, Like it's not unfortunate because they're happy
Speaker 1: to get that money early. But like Lane Johnson never
Speaker 1: totally maxes out as like the best right tackle in
Speaker 1: the league like you should moneyways, But anyways, that's a good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we see the exact converse of that down
Speaker 3: in Dallas, where it's like wait until the absolute last
Speaker 3: minute and pay these players, which again I'm I'm grateful
Speaker 3: if the player wants to take the risk and the
Speaker 3: team wants to pay out a huge contract to Micah
Speaker 3: or to Dak, yeah, I'm all for that. But if
Speaker 3: you make somebody an offer that they would like to
Speaker 3: have two years early, then you have the opportunity.
Speaker 4: You don't have to wait.
Speaker 1: And they take swings like Makai Beckton was a swing
Speaker 1: and Huff was a swing too, like they miss on
Speaker 1: plenty of the swings. Johan Dotson a little bit of
Speaker 1: a miss on a swing. I think they been better
Speaker 1: in general when you're talking about what teams could do
Speaker 1: to copy them.
Speaker 2: They trade a lot.
Speaker 1: I think trades are an underrated part to just try
Speaker 1: to improve your team, and some have really not worked
Speaker 1: for them. It's I don't know that their hit rate
Speaker 1: is like that much higher than other teams, but they
Speaker 1: have a philosophy they stick to it, and the philosophy
Speaker 1: is we will never stop signing and drafting linemen on
Speaker 1: both sides, and they never stop it no matter what
Speaker 1: the year is.
Speaker 2: They're always just throwing in.
Speaker 1: And they've been so consistent with that over a ten
Speaker 1: year period and it really has worked for them. Maybe
Speaker 1: other teams can have a different philosophy, but like they
Speaker 1: are really consistent with that. Let's go to our next one.
Speaker 1: As we just shower the Eagles in love, now we're
Speaker 1: going to go to one that I agreed with from
Speaker 1: Kyle Bruno here saying, why doesn't anyone talk about the
Speaker 1: Dolphins having a long suffering fan base, longest playoff wind drought?
Speaker 1: No way, which is that? Surprised me that since two
Speaker 1: thousand and they have the longest one in the entire NFL.
Speaker 1: Did not know that, And I didn't know the Commanders
Speaker 1: had such a long one before this year too, and
Speaker 1: that was really long. The Raiders are the second most,
Speaker 1: second longest by the way, No Jets are third. No
Speaker 1: Super Bowl wins in seventy three, no AFC titles in
Speaker 1: ninety two. The owner got the team doctor first round
Speaker 1: pick for tampering. The QB is the face of concussions,
Speaker 1: bad a lot of free agent signings. I don't know
Speaker 1: why fans all want to be recognized as a team
Speaker 1: that suffers the most pain, But you are right that
Speaker 1: Dolphins kind of slide under the radar. The reason is
Speaker 1: because it seems like it's fun to play in Miami
Speaker 1: and because they're always like a they're very often a
Speaker 1: seven to nine win team. But I would kind of
Speaker 1: agree with Dolphins fans who identify with that particular sort
Speaker 1: of pain because they're always just mediocre to average and
Speaker 1: they never win a playoff game. That actually is a
Speaker 1: pretty good measure of like who's going through it the most,
Speaker 1: because a playoff win feels awesome, and it really in making.
Speaker 2: The playoffs is great. But when you make the.
Speaker 1: Playoffs and you just go one and out and it's
Speaker 1: it's like Skyler Thompson or it's or it's Tua in
Speaker 1: the cold not being competitive, it it kind of just
Speaker 1: feels like you really didn't belong there and you don't
Speaker 1: have that good one playoff win can feel great. And
Speaker 1: so I'm with you. I think that the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: sneaky up there.
Speaker 3: I think one reason, right, because I think we've discussed
Speaker 3: all of these things, not the particular playoff drought, right,
Speaker 3: we saw that kind of shift with the Commander's run
Speaker 3: this season, but ultimately in that division, as far as
Speaker 3: bemoaned fan bases, people in New York are always going
Speaker 3: to get more attention for like whatever they got going on,
Speaker 3: and so I think that that is that's a particular
Speaker 3: reason that it doesn't get discussed now, Like throwing Tua
Speaker 3: having a brain in there is kind of unfair.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wish I wouldn't read that out loud. I
Speaker 2: was gonna kind of mentally say it that, but that's
Speaker 2: my bad.
Speaker 3: The The interesting thing is Tyreek Hill doesn't count as
Speaker 3: a bust free agent signing to me. I think the
Speaker 3: Tyreek signing was great.
Speaker 2: Great, it was great. That's the most.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did right with these trades, right because you
Speaker 3: have to you have to make the pay to do
Speaker 3: it feels like a free agency signing, uh there. Other
Speaker 3: than that, it's tough to really think of like a
Speaker 3: great free agency pickup that the Dolphins have had.
Speaker 2: Well, they had that one year.
Speaker 1: They gave Mike Wallace and a couple other guys and
Speaker 1: they were like the off season winners they've done that
Speaker 1: quite a.
Speaker 3: Bit, one that is not necessarily sneaky bad. But people
Speaker 3: forget that they they drafted Menca, they had Minca in.
Speaker 4: There, Mica.
Speaker 3: It is like a franchise stalwart in Pittsburgh where if
Speaker 3: things go right at the end of his career could
Speaker 3: be spectacular and they'll remember him as like a lifelong stealer.
Speaker 4: But this was a guy that you shipped out.
Speaker 3: So yes, we should appreciate Finn's fan misery, and I
Speaker 3: don't we talk about them as much as the other one.
Speaker 1: More than anything, I think they're in an underrated fan base.
Speaker 1: I hope to see our friend Henry Hodson, the most
Speaker 1: famous of all offense fans. They're very knowledgeable, very passionate,
Speaker 1: and they've been going through it. Let's go to our
Speaker 1: next one. Zach Joseph asked, all the final four teams
Speaker 1: are top ten and running. Do you think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a trend of great offenses emphasizing the run
Speaker 1: and how defenses will just I.
Speaker 2: Think we've beuld going this way for a while.
Speaker 1: That's top ten and running depends what the metric is
Speaker 1: you're looking at, because you know, winning teams run more
Speaker 1: because they're ahead but I do think some of the
Speaker 1: trends we talked about going into the year, more two
Speaker 1: tight end looks, teams going heavier, they really have happened.
Speaker 1: And you're seeing the best running backs now. We're seeing
Speaker 1: kind of like the early Oughts when they were dominating fantasy.
Speaker 1: We had about five or six of those monster running
Speaker 1: back seasons this year. There is something to it, and
Speaker 1: I think you're seeing more creativity in the in the
Speaker 1: running game. Like teams now don't just like run one thing,
Speaker 1: they run seven things, and they run a couple of
Speaker 1: them run it in insanely different ways. And now the
Speaker 1: run game is almost like how the pass game, how
Speaker 1: that evolution happened, where it's just you got to get
Speaker 1: yourself a cool run game coordinator, like like Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's all cyclical, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're ever going to be done with
Speaker 3: a fundamental aspect of football. Kind Of like that discussion
Speaker 3: kind of seemed a little a little short sighted to
Speaker 3: me a few years ago, where it's like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Why why run the ball at all?
Speaker 3: It made me it made me think back to like
Speaker 3: those early days watching football as a kid where it's like,
Speaker 3: why don't they just run into people's backs three times?
Speaker 3: You know, it seemed overly simplified, and so yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: glad that, you know, because every coach comes in and
Speaker 3: gets hired. Yeah, we want to be multiple, we want
Speaker 3: to attack, and we say all these things. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a fundamental aspect of the game. It's all going
Speaker 3: to be cyclical. We're going to see trends change over
Speaker 3: the course of years, and you're going to want to
Speaker 3: put If you have a guy that you're going to
Speaker 3: give the ball twenty to twenty five times a game,
Speaker 3: you're going to want them to be good.
Speaker 4: And these teams have good players at that spot.
Speaker 1: And I think there will be some teams that lean
Speaker 1: into it even more. In terms of size, I think
Speaker 1: it's notable that Phil Case are two of the bigger
Speaker 1: teams out there. I know it's a little random that,
Speaker 1: like these are the two teams that made the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I mean, made the Super Bowl. But Phil Alvey is
Speaker 1: a large team. Kansas City's a pretty big team actually
Speaker 1: as well. Detroit's a large team. There are physically, you
Speaker 1: do see some mismatch of just drafting size, and so
Speaker 1: that might become a thing again. Our next question is
Speaker 1: from one of my favorite longtime listeners, Eric in Utah.
Speaker 1: Eric Utah, I guess we're calling him. He's got his
Speaker 1: own podcast, by the way, the End Zone podcast.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Eric eighteen. That's how we know him.
Speaker 1: On Blue Sky, he said, did Dan Campbell kill it
Speaker 1: with Zoc Higher a Peyton disciple paired with the intermediate
Speaker 1: receiving Kings of Sun God and Tim Patrick paired with
Speaker 1: an elite game? Well, that just sounds to me like
Speaker 1: the Lions are are elite paired with JMO taking the
Speaker 1: top off. John Morton was a really surprising higher. I
Speaker 1: was like, why is that name familiar? John Morton because
Speaker 1: he's not an up and comer. He was an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator for one season in the NFL. It was with
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen Todd Bowles Jets, led by Josh McCown,
Speaker 1: Robbie Chosen Anderson at the time, and Austin Seferian Jenkins,
Speaker 1: so there not much was going on with that team,
Speaker 1: although McCown played sneaky good.
Speaker 4: That was the best mccownce.
Speaker 1: Yes, And you can't really blame more in there for
Speaker 1: getting swept out like all of Todd Bowles's offensive coordinators
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: He lasted exactly one year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was all Todd's choice or not,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's sneaky great. It was
Speaker 1: very surprising because I think people thought they would be
Speaker 1: doing this new cutting age guy on their own team
Speaker 1: and they dip into somebody he's familiar with. But at
Speaker 1: this point, Dan Campbell has completely earned my trust in
Speaker 1: terms of his coaching tree and who he chooses. And
Speaker 1: he also chose Kelvin Shephard, a former Bills player who
Speaker 1: was once traded one for one for Jerry Hughes and
Speaker 1: was always in my mind as one of the worst
Speaker 1: trade of that decade because Jerry Hughes was incredible for
Speaker 1: the Bills. But Calvin Sheppard, now a defensive coordinator, I
Speaker 1: bet he'll be great too. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on John Morton and the Lions.
Speaker 3: Well, I think right, because you get the Peyton tree, right,
Speaker 3: which is Dan Campbell is a part of there's familiarity there.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the things we associate with
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson were the things that we could see right,
Speaker 3: because that's how our bias impacts, and we see a
Speaker 3: team that's very aggressive. Dan Camill's gonna remain aggressive. I
Speaker 3: think the particular skill sets of the players lend to
Speaker 3: those trick plays, right, Like I think I'm on Ross
Speaker 3: Saint Brown is such a skilled receiver and Jared Goff
Speaker 3: is such an accurate passer that it leads to those
Speaker 3: hooking ladder opportunities to make those hooking ladder plays where
Speaker 3: I feel like the Lions are still going to run
Speaker 3: trick plays. I think that's still going to be an
Speaker 3: integral part of the process. And Bears fans may be
Speaker 3: disappointed when they's like, Ah, where's the razzle dazzle, because
Speaker 3: it's the guys I think. I think that make you
Speaker 3: able to do that, and so there may be a
Speaker 3: fall off. But I still think the lines are going
Speaker 3: to store plenty of points because they got the guys
Speaker 3: that can score plenty of points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think they need to start adding
Speaker 1: to that offensive line again, getting a little older, not
Speaker 1: quite as good on the interior either. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go speed round through a couple more of these. You
Speaker 1: could throw it up or not, Eric, but we'll just
Speaker 1: go through quickly. See him, Bailey asks what the home
Speaker 1: run swing at QB you'd like to see the Steelers make.
Speaker 1: There's really no home run swings out there other than Matthew.
Speaker 2: Stafford, so that would be my yeah for the fence.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 1: We got one from N seven Thunder who asked should
Speaker 1: they Texans give Stefan Diggs a new contract or let
Speaker 1: them walk? I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: They know him, he knows them. It's difficult for Digs
Speaker 1: that this is his free agent year coming off of
Speaker 1: an injury. I think it's best in those situations, it's
Speaker 1: good to maybe stay where you know.
Speaker 3: If they do not go that way, I have some
Speaker 3: value options that oh, okay, great, we'll see j Shroud.
Speaker 3: Darius Slayton is incredibly underrated. He's been imprisoned in New
Speaker 3: York in the same way that Saquon Barkley has. I
Speaker 3: think Nick Westbrook could Keane would be a nice value
Speaker 3: signing in the division. Dimmie Brown is coming up on
Speaker 3: free agents. I don't know if the Commanders are going
Speaker 3: to let him go, and sneakily m VS, also set
Speaker 3: to be a free agent, also made a nice run
Speaker 3: towards the end.
Speaker 2: You can bring Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 4: Back, Well, we got.
Speaker 2: One asking wanting some fantasy takes.
Speaker 1: Who's a hot Dynasty trade based on coaching coordinator movement?
Speaker 2: I think the Bears, you know, Caleb and Rome a
Speaker 2: good time to buy Drake May, c J. Stroud, by Low,
Speaker 2: Drake London.
Speaker 1: Like whatever whatever price Bajon is, he would be my
Speaker 1: number one overall.
Speaker 2: Like Dynasty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but nobody's letting go of Jon or Tremiir Gibbs
Speaker 3: right now. If you want to, if you want to
Speaker 3: vite vibe, check your league, see what the the Bryce
Speaker 3: Young value is at that people may be holding in
Speaker 3: that situation. It all just depends on who's on your
Speaker 3: roster and who you're able to get. But I'm with
Speaker 3: Greg buy Low on CJ all.
Speaker 1: Day and our friend Jackson Bevans, who does the Cigar
Speaker 1: Thoughts podcast but also writes a great column Cigar Thoughts
Speaker 1: to ask about Kubiak in Seattle and whether last year
Speaker 1: New Orleans was on the injuries.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Kubiak's actually had a lot of chance. He's actually has
Speaker 1: looked pretty solid throughout, like he seems like he's not
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: About Gino Smith in a system like I want Gino
Speaker 1: to be able to make a lot of decisions, and
Speaker 1: usually that's a system where you're just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: doing ABC. But I hope they can marry the system
Speaker 1: to make Gino like as Geno as possible.
Speaker 3: Well, if anybody can take an ABC system and add
Speaker 3: a D, there we go and an E, it's Eugene
Speaker 3: Cyril Smith.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: Because again, the Saints had the most unique offensive line
Speaker 3: combinations this season. Ten different offensive lineman had fifty or
Speaker 3: more snaps. So it wasn't just the injuries to those
Speaker 3: skill guys, because you know the are garfriend had mentioned
Speaker 3: the skill guys, Jackson, Yeah, it's there was a lot
Speaker 3: that went in New Orleans, including having the head coach
Speaker 3: that did at the start of the season.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact that they were all kind of in sync
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year when they were healthy
Speaker 1: was a pretty good, pretty good sign. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: for that. Let's take a quick break. We're going to
Speaker 1: do the calls of the year right after.
Speaker 2: This back on NFL Daily. It's all been leading to this.
Speaker 1: One man put together the most thorough and researched and
Speaker 1: excellent candidates for Calls of the year it's ever been,
Speaker 1: and two men are going to sit here in the
Speaker 1: Chris Westling Podcast and decide what is the call of
Speaker 1: the Year.
Speaker 2: I think that's the format.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a reason to muddy this up.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 5: Okay, just listen, have some fun, look back, think about Hey,
Speaker 5: remember when the coldest off very much?
Speaker 1: Remember when this is. This is as I said on
Speaker 1: the show with Mina and Colleen and Jordan when we
Speaker 1: were talking about the tiny table results, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the over unders. I feel like this is kind
Speaker 1: of closed the Circle week, like all the things we
Speaker 1: threw out there at the beginning of the year. We
Speaker 1: also have our All Pro team coming up. We closed
Speaker 1: the circle here. We we finished this season before moving
Speaker 1: on to the off season. We're gonna group this in
Speaker 1: different categories. In the first category is just like that
Speaker 1: was fun, remember that, Like, this is a fun category
Speaker 1: of plays.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Week one to start.
Speaker 3: Five and a half minutes to go, first quarter A
Speaker 3: Naples trails three to nothing, but they've got it now.
Speaker 2: A first in ten on the round forty Richardson on
Speaker 2: play action backs to throw.
Speaker 3: He slips on the turf, so peech a downfield looking
Speaker 3: for Aleck Pierce.
Speaker 2: He's done.
Speaker 8: My bomb sixty yards Anthony Richardson to Alck Pierce.
Speaker 4: That's what you're.
Speaker 9: Talking about in the deep game touchdown.
Speaker 2: D Why Oh, I love it, Matt Taylor on w
Speaker 2: f N. I Rick fan Terry there in the booth.
Speaker 1: Remember when I was trying to do Throw of the
Speaker 1: Year and then I just sort of forgot about it
Speaker 1: halfway through.
Speaker 2: It's because that was the first one and I knew nothing,
Speaker 2: know On was gonna beat it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every throw, every deep throw. I think bo Nicks
Speaker 3: had the one late in the season.
Speaker 2: I was pretty sweet.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: But in terms of the total play, I think the
Speaker 3: call was was as good as good as the throw.
Speaker 3: Oh just the exclamation point of after Pierce catches the
Speaker 3: ball and goes in the end zone a bomb.
Speaker 4: I think that was great, great execution. I love the play,
Speaker 4: love the call, I.
Speaker 1: Love that analysis by you. And this is a real,
Speaker 1: a real pro with the pipes here Patrick. That throw
Speaker 1: one of the best throws of all time. It's not
Speaker 1: a it's not even a joke. It really is better
Speaker 1: than PJ.
Speaker 2: Walker. PJ. Walkers is up there.
Speaker 1: You're talking about those are two of those are two
Speaker 1: of the best throws of all time. It's it's okay, guys,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have to win a Super Bowl to
Speaker 1: be one of the best throws of all time.
Speaker 2: It really was. Uh, that's a strong candidate.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say like, that's
Speaker 1: in the that's in the small circle of real contenders,
Speaker 1: although I'll probably say that after every single one because
Speaker 1: I'll get excited at new Let's go to week eleven
Speaker 1: and let's go to Nashville.
Speaker 7: Let us in the shotgun six men said to rush.
Speaker 7: Let us Remy Senzo firing deep down field for Westbrook
Speaker 7: at Key's got it forty forty thirty twenty.
Speaker 9: Ten fun inZone.
Speaker 10: Touch shot tightens the longest touchdot pass of the year
Speaker 10: in the National Football League just went ninety eight years.
Speaker 1: Oh, Mike Keith the Best wg f X sad news
Speaker 1: that Mike Keith is moving on to Tennessee the Volunteers
Speaker 1: away from the.
Speaker 3: Titans, and so that means this may be our last
Speaker 3: chance to hear Mike Keith on this particular podcast.
Speaker 4: And that is sad, but it's it was a.
Speaker 3: Bad play by the Viking Stephens in an absolutely hopeless
Speaker 3: game where the Titans have done nothing. It was sixteen
Speaker 3: to three at that point, and just bad coverage leads
Speaker 3: to that ninety eight yard n WI touchdown. So the play,
Speaker 3: the call better than the play.
Speaker 1: I mean the call, it's the yards, it's it's just
Speaker 1: Mike Keith's voice and the way he rolls that yards.
Speaker 1: That's another strong contender. Inner Circle. Let's go to week thirteen.
Speaker 1: I know it was tough probably for Eric to pick
Speaker 1: only one Bill's played, not that you had to limit
Speaker 1: it to one per team, But I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: sheet and I see that's kind of what you did.
Speaker 2: This is this is the Bill's snow lateral Josh Allen
Speaker 2: Week thirteen, first wee.
Speaker 8: Goal from the seven, Alan under center takes a snab
Speaker 8: quick hitter thrown.
Speaker 2: Behind but somehow caught and now lateral to Alan entreating.
Speaker 9: For the pylon.
Speaker 11: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: It's a touchdown?
Speaker 10: Unbelievable on catch by Amari Cooper, a lateral to Josh
Speaker 10: Allen and he rubs the remaining five yards for the score.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that one before? A great job
Speaker 2: by Chris Brown on wg R. What did he say there?
Speaker 2: Can you believe like a good a well time? Can
Speaker 2: you believe it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Always hits.
Speaker 3: And also it contextualize the fact because looking back, if
Speaker 3: we remember the Lamari pitch the ball to Josh, when
Speaker 3: you hear the call, you remember Amara had almost no
Speaker 3: business catching that ball. Yes, in the first place, it
Speaker 3: was thrown a full yard behind him on the slant
Speaker 3: and he reaches back and catches it with one hand.
Speaker 3: And then Josh's you know, call him for an insane
Speaker 3: play to be made, because that's Josh and that's why
Speaker 3: we love him. And and yeah, the call fits.
Speaker 5: That great memories also probably the seed for all his
Speaker 5: little lateral thoughts and plays coming down the home stretch.
Speaker 2: See the Amari Cooper trade was worth it. I remember
Speaker 2: that one time. It worked. Sorry, no one got my
Speaker 2: little little job there. It was no it was mean.
Speaker 4: It wasn't mean mean. It worked out.
Speaker 2: It worked out.
Speaker 1: Just just forgiving us that memory memory. I hope you
Speaker 1: remember the good times of that Bill's season. There were
Speaker 1: there was some few dudes.
Speaker 2: I had a fun time. There was fun ones.
Speaker 1: Let's go to week four, Uh, it's Ben Johnson, it's
Speaker 1: Jared Goff.
Speaker 2: It's a trick play.
Speaker 12: Second and goal for the Lions from the seventh golf
Speaker 12: out of the gun.
Speaker 2: Montgomery was right, Jared leans in, there's the snap.
Speaker 4: Jared on the end a round gets it to Law.
Speaker 2: He's gonna throw it to Jared.
Speaker 4: Jared maybe on.
Speaker 13: The receiving end of a pass from Robin Rock Take Brown, Oh,
Speaker 13: Bet Jonson, I see you too.
Speaker 4: That is beautiful stuff.
Speaker 2: That is Sunday Night match. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Dan Miller, last year's winner of the Call of the
Speaker 1: Year w x Y T Lomas Brown. Dan Miller, I
Speaker 1: feel like has been as much a part of the
Speaker 1: Sunday Night recaps as anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the team scores on stop points and it's
Speaker 3: hard to pick even the hard to pick a trick play,
Speaker 3: but that one in a score fest where you get
Speaker 3: the energy of the game. In the historical matchup between
Speaker 3: these Seahawks and Lions teams we've had these past few years.
Speaker 5: There was a couple of boots where it was hard
Speaker 5: to like whittle it down to one. I mean, we'll
Speaker 5: have a little section later, but like some of these
Speaker 5: booths are just great at what they do.
Speaker 2: They absolutely are.
Speaker 1: One of those boosts is Paul Allen and Kfa n
Speaker 1: in soda. I'm curious which which one you picked here?
Speaker 1: This is This is from week sixteen, first and ten from.
Speaker 14: The thirty nine three Kicky to go four to fourth ward,
Speaker 14: Sam steps.
Speaker 10: Up, Sam Broz, Jefferson Town.
Speaker 14: On the fan, find some moneymaker justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great option right there.
Speaker 1: And I see what you did here, Eric, You're kind
Speaker 1: of picking some great play plays that live up to
Speaker 1: the calls. And I like that because we're we're going
Speaker 1: down memory lane and remembering some of the best moments
Speaker 1: of this entire season. I would say that that was
Speaker 1: the peak of the Vikings season, but no, the next
Speaker 1: week they put it on the Packers right and they
Speaker 1: went up even another level. But that was pretty exciting
Speaker 1: back and forth. That was the comeback with in Seattle.
Speaker 1: They were actually down for at that moment, and I.
Speaker 3: Think it would stand some people to because we can
Speaker 3: all remember how it fell apart at the end. But
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold time and time again when they were placed
Speaker 3: to be made late in games or for a stretch
Speaker 3: there this season, he was making them like we can't
Speaker 3: take those away, all right.
Speaker 1: Our next category of plays are from gentlemen who were
Speaker 1: on the program this year, and in no way do
Speaker 1: they get any favoritism. They're on the program because they
Speaker 1: do the damn thing facts in the first place.
Speaker 2: Week one, Matt Money Smith to throw man has.
Speaker 14: Him on the cross or it's McCaughey shuffle, shuffle, lever down,
Speaker 14: Oh Lad, ten yards toss. He broke two sets of
Speaker 14: ankles on that touchdown. Grab What a play for the rookie.
Speaker 15: He hit the brakes, watch the plane fly right by,
Speaker 15: and then another plane.
Speaker 2: Flew by and he skipped into the end zone.
Speaker 1: To Paul of Maverick, Oh dang, that's another strong one.
Speaker 1: I mean we got we got some real options here,
Speaker 1: because that's a call you can't plan. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is all off the dome. It's the partnership between Money
Speaker 1: and DJ. I have to admit they have.
Speaker 4: They have good chemistry and it led to the creation.
Speaker 3: We saw Lad literally flying a plane in celebration later
Speaker 3: on in the season. Like that moment, just a moment
Speaker 3: where Bunny and and DJ are looking up at planes
Speaker 3: coming down landing at Lax. We have the shuffle in
Speaker 3: there because they're playing against the Raiders, right, so so
Speaker 3: money makes the shuffle call there.
Speaker 1: It's just, of course, that's pretty perfect. That's going to
Speaker 1: be tough to be. Let's go to week eate our
Speaker 1: friend Andrew Ciciliano. This was in the aftermath of a
Speaker 1: of a tough loss for them. Tim Donovan, the longtime
Speaker 1: Browns play by play guy.
Speaker 11: If you're the Cleveland Browns, one play to get a
Speaker 11: juge emotional wish you.
Speaker 4: Got it to think.
Speaker 16: Twenty four yards.
Speaker 2: Let's go three seconds.
Speaker 16: This is it for the wind makes some noise.
Speaker 17: We're average.
Speaker 2: You can hear the sounds about our voice right now.
Speaker 4: Twenty four yard.
Speaker 15: Line shun gun rounds up twenty nine, twenty four. Lamar
Speaker 15: Jackson has the football grounds rushing for Lamar flushed out,
Speaker 15: Lamar chase by zcenarios.
Speaker 2: Lamark Jackson are points scenarios.
Speaker 15: He's gotta throwing, directing traffic, pump fake now throwing end
Speaker 15: zone god quarter o.
Speaker 2: Good cook. The Crowns win.
Speaker 9: Twenty nine, twenty four.
Speaker 13: You just do it, you do it, you felt it.
Speaker 13: So many things happening this game, they're unexplainable. Let it
Speaker 13: all ended up to a brown win. Miss once for
Speaker 13: you teknam.
Speaker 1: M getting a little misty here in the studio. Awesome
Speaker 1: job by Andrew and Nathan Sigurra, and a reminder of
Speaker 1: something I try to keep in mind and voice on
Speaker 1: this show, which is that, like one game can be
Speaker 1: pretty special. I know this was a miserable brown season,
Speaker 1: and yet I don't think that takes away from anything
Speaker 1: of the emotion of that win that was in that
Speaker 1: booth and the connection they had with Jim Donovan in
Speaker 1: the city and what an exciting just day of football
Speaker 1: that was against the team they hate the most in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 1: It helps a little extra beating the Ravens that they
Speaker 1: What a great call by Andrew and Nathan Zigurra, and.
Speaker 3: Not just culminating the cultural context of the week and
Speaker 3: the loss of Jim right, but the fact that the
Speaker 3: game had built up to that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrew highlighting so many.
Speaker 3: Things that took place that didn't necessarily make any sense
Speaker 3: on a bad Browns team against the Ravens team that
Speaker 3: will ultimately contend in the playoffs, where yeah, sometimes all
Speaker 3: that stuff doesn't matter and on a Sunday magic can happen.
Speaker 4: I should appreciate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that was awesome. Let's go to a
Speaker 1: guy who's who's on the mount rushmore of cause of
Speaker 1: the year. I think he was a runner up last year.
Speaker 1: Why are we even making runners up? Let's go Tyler
Speaker 1: Higbee week sixteen. His return to tight end.
Speaker 16: Set with the strength to the ride of Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 16: who's under center from that right side hookah in motion
Speaker 16: play fake roll right, Stafford's pros caught Bye Higbee at
Speaker 16: the ten, big Rig Higgs to the goal line.
Speaker 9: Touchdown, Tyler Higbee, welcome back, big Rig Pig touchdown.
Speaker 14: LA.
Speaker 2: I love it. JB.
Speaker 1: Long, of course I forgot to say his name leading
Speaker 1: into There were so many fun JB. Long calls throughout
Speaker 1: the season on ksp N.
Speaker 3: Yeah you feel the excitement. Of course we got another.
Speaker 3: We got some other plays coming up against the chest.
Speaker 3: But yeah, to see to have a player come back
Speaker 3: and to hear that in JB's voice and have him
Speaker 3: get in the end zone, it's it comes through, It
Speaker 3: comes through.
Speaker 4: Good job too.
Speaker 1: I was wrong saying that everyone only got one bite
Speaker 1: at the apple this year, because our next section is
Speaker 1: defense matters too. Only a couple of defensive plays in
Speaker 1: this show, and one of them was by our guy.
Speaker 2: Andrew Van Ginkel back in week one, and.
Speaker 11: Here comes Daniel Jones twelve to twenty two for one
Speaker 11: hundred and eleven yards victually twenty one to six. Jones
Speaker 11: touchdowns go fourth touchdown in and Grew ben Ginkle's career,
Speaker 11: and he read Daniel Jones like a book in that
Speaker 11: book had a happy ending.
Speaker 2: That's a strong one.
Speaker 1: Both of Paul's entries this year were absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite of the two at the very least
Speaker 3: if we're doing a Paul Allen Brackett because to get
Speaker 3: to that stat with the quickness of Andrew Van Ginkles's
Speaker 3: career returns for a touchdown right there, to add the
Speaker 3: reading like a book, it.
Speaker 4: Was just a great call. That was.
Speaker 2: Let's go to another pick six. This was a thick
Speaker 2: pick and this is k I r O Steve Rabel.
Speaker 4: Third down and seven from the Seattle nine. Glitch is
Speaker 4: coming throw.
Speaker 2: Inside hits pick off. Leo Williams coming near side.
Speaker 8: He's running like a racehorse on midfield, turns up field
Speaker 8: that blockers, Holy smokes, are you kidding?
Speaker 4: Leo Williams.
Speaker 8: He's gonna take it in for a touchdown. Seahawks. The
Speaker 8: Seahawks mess up a kick return. They dump it on
Speaker 8: the defense and Leo Williams says, I got you covered,
Speaker 8: picks it off as he drops back into coverage, comes
Speaker 8: up the near sidelines in front of the bench, picks
Speaker 8: up blockers, and takes it all the way in for
Speaker 8: a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Great job there. They were going
Speaker 2: in to go up twenty eight to seven the Jets
Speaker 2: in that game that Leo Williams play turn the game
Speaker 2: around to a big play in that game, And I
Speaker 2: love how the voice cracked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the legitimate excitement, and that's what we want. Don't
Speaker 4: fake it.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Wolfly Brothers. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize until this year that they were brothers. I
Speaker 1: guess I should have known. Uh, Craig and Ron. Ron's
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Let's start there. Both these calls, by the way,
Speaker 1: are from week ten. Let's just play him back to
Speaker 1: back the wolf on wolf.
Speaker 16: Say, break the huddle. Mike Williams comes to the left,
Speaker 16: three receivers split to the right, Warnt to the left
Speaker 16: of Wilson in the shotgun. Wilson settles back, raises the
Speaker 16: foot gets the snap back to pass looking could have
Speaker 16: floated up left for Williams and why.
Speaker 2: In the end zone? Want to throw? Want to catch?
Speaker 8: Mike Williams did his first game in a Steelers uniform,
Speaker 8: has holed in a thirty two yard touchdown strike from
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson.
Speaker 17: Oh, he threw that ball wan Dang doodle down the sidelines.
Speaker 17: I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. First target,
Speaker 17: first catch could be a game winner. Carrier unbelievable.
Speaker 16: Snapped to Murray, drop straight back, a fade right corner,
Speaker 16: the ends on Harrison.
Speaker 2: Cole on a catch with one hand for a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Harvin Harrison Junior holds it in with his right arm.
Speaker 8: Just a gorgeous drop in the bucket by Murray.
Speaker 6: Spin the pig Kyler, spinens drop in sud dimes the
Speaker 6: drops into the buckets right over the shoulder.
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: Spin that peg Kyler. I can't it hurts. I think
Speaker 2: there was a haiku in there that was amazing.
Speaker 1: That's Ron Wolflee, by the way, and we should mention
Speaker 1: their play by play, guys.
Speaker 2: Ron is the one in Arizona. I misspoke.
Speaker 1: Dave pash is the play by play k MVP and
Speaker 1: yes in Pittsburgh it's Rob King who's the play by playgate,
Speaker 1: and then Ron Craig Wolfley rather jumps in for the
Speaker 1: Wang Dang do it all just wouldn't be the same
Speaker 1: on Sundays without the Wolfly brus And finally, it's a
Speaker 1: couple plays that we've played on this show a couple
Speaker 1: times because we just had on our guest Bram Weinstein
Speaker 1: last week, and yet we've talked about a lot in
Speaker 1: this show. I think the Commanders were kind of the
Speaker 1: team this year. I don't know they were, just they
Speaker 1: were just part of so many of the best moments
Speaker 1: of the season. Let's listen to Bram and London Fletcher
Speaker 1: in the divisional round.
Speaker 12: Snapped the golf steps off good pocket through a little
Speaker 12: bit Jeremy Chiz.
Speaker 2: Got it, gets it celebrate like going to the NFF
Speaker 2: Championship game.
Speaker 4: This is the Motown, the home of Motown. To tonight
Speaker 4: they'll be playing the pool Baby. I think I'm could
Speaker 4: hear them tap it up in the there's a call.
Speaker 5: I think it might have been the Monday Night winner
Speaker 5: against the Bengals, where I think Bram mentions that London
Speaker 5: Fletcher punched him. Like he says, I just got punched
Speaker 5: in the booth and like I said, that's another booth
Speaker 5: where I had like seven Yeah, I love the trash
Speaker 5: talk too.
Speaker 1: Immediately by London Fledger, that's an ex player thing that
Speaker 1: he like that he's immediately sticking in the lion's face
Speaker 1: a little bit. Bram does such a good job covering
Speaker 1: the team and making you just enthusiastic by listening to
Speaker 1: him that after talking to him, I flipped my pick
Speaker 1: to the commanders last week and now I'm mad at
Speaker 1: Bram about that. So to feel better, let's listen to Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta listen to the Hail Mary before we get
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 4: There's an eight deep form with the goal line. They
Speaker 4: bring three. Davie's backing up.
Speaker 12: He's just gonna have the one fly goes to the
Speaker 12: right side, steps away, well, defenders gives themselves some time
Speaker 12: now steps up, fires heads towards the end zone.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 2: Now, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's why we do this, to to have that moment
Speaker 3: culminate where you can hear the booth absolutely losing it.
Speaker 3: I think that's what great about all of Bram's calls
Speaker 3: is the way he accelerates into the touchdown Washington and
Speaker 3: you can feel it, and fans will always remember this
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season. They ultimately didn't get the ending
Speaker 3: result that they started to believe, but right there in
Speaker 3: those moments is why you believe. It's why we do
Speaker 3: all those things, and that's that one's tough to beat.
Speaker 2: Greg it is, and yet I don't I don't like.
Speaker 2: I don't like having to choose one.
Speaker 1: Maybe in future years, like we'll have a bracket or something,
Speaker 1: but it just feels like a slight to say anything
Speaker 1: is beating that moment with Andrew Ciciliano and Nathan Zigura
Speaker 1: that that was incredible, The Maconkey one by Money and
Speaker 1: DJ like, I loved it, The Higbee one coming out
Speaker 1: like the Paul Allen van Ginkel, the Hail Mary is
Speaker 1: gonna stick with me. The Richardson throw I think you
Speaker 1: were really well said on that the play call was
Speaker 1: as good as the throw, and so I hope no
Speaker 1: one gets mad here, Okay, but I'm gonna give it
Speaker 1: to Mike Keith and his Week eleven call. And it's
Speaker 1: partly for that call, which was outstanding, and it's partly
Speaker 1: for the years of enjoyment that Mike Keith has given
Speaker 1: listeners in Nashville and hopefully on the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast and on this podcast. And Mike Keith, to me,
Speaker 1: he's the man. And since we won't get to hear
Speaker 1: him anymore, I guess I'm giving it. I'm giving it
Speaker 1: to Mike Keith.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense a team that for some reason
Speaker 3: still wears those Oilers uniforms that instead of sticking into
Speaker 3: their identity in Nashville, and Mike Keith is that to me?
Speaker 4: So he deserves honor.
Speaker 3: I think, like in terms of technical and execution and
Speaker 3: summarizing things. Paul Allen, Oh, okay, we're given you know,
Speaker 3: franchise voice cornerstones, their flowers. I'd give it to him
Speaker 3: for Van Ginkel reading Daniel Jones like a book.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 1: And yes, I think that Hail Mary call will live forever.
Speaker 1: Which is that's better than any award.
Speaker 3: The touchdown of lesson ten second Terry McLaurin to win
Speaker 3: the game. Uh, that would be a great brand call.
Speaker 3: You could legitimately have your own brand once once, Don Bracket.
Speaker 1: I think that that Ceciliano call is going to live
Speaker 1: in the hearts and minds of a lot of Browns
Speaker 1: fans forever and spend that pig is gonna do it
Speaker 1: for me as well. Let's get out of here. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on Friday. I'm gonna have my friends Adam
Speaker 1: and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. They've been
Speaker 1: boots on the ground in Senior Bowl this week. Like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, NFL Network got Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis.
Speaker 2: We got Adam and.
Speaker 1: Ryan coming on the show to recap the week at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Looking forward to that, and yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's end this with a little Mike Keith when when
Speaker 1: we're saying goodbye to a legend, you know.
Speaker 2: Football is back. Let us in the shotgun.
Speaker 7: Six men sent to Ruge Levis Ruby send zoneing deep
Speaker 7: downfield for Westbrook at.
Speaker 10: Teen days, got it forty fifty, forty thirty, twenty ten
Speaker 10: five INDs of touchdown Titans, the longest touchdown pass of
Speaker 10: the year in the National Football League just went ninety
Speaker 10: eight years