1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hey, a welcome to Big Fish, Small Pod. I'm Andrew Werdall. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Today is July twenty seventh. Where do we even really start. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: It's a tough pod to do today, so I'm going 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: to try to just get it. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Over with quick. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: It's tough to like see the Hugs and the dugout 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: with Pablo Lopez finishing his game is outing against the 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds, And I don't know, I'm not as into 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: trade season as I was when I was a like 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: younger fan. Really, it always means something new. It always 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: means like a change of sort, but just with like 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: the perspective of like knowing what these players go through 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: for a trade, knowing that they're just like day to 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: day is uprooted potentially across the country, potentially across the 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: country for years, Like it's a big implication to be traded. 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: And they can be a great thing, can be an 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: exciting thing, like Jesus Lozardo coming home to South Florida 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: last year was a great thing. 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: But there's all these stories of just like. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's a business, as they say, and the 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: players know that we all deal with that at some level, 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: but anyhow, here we are the Marlins are five games 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: below five hundred. Eli Sussman put out an article yesterday 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: citing the blowout loss against the Cincinnati Reds as the 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: knockout punch of sorts, and I'm actually inclined to agree 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: with that. I sat on the pod here on Friday 27 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: that I was really like looking to see a whole 28 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: like rotation go through before like really drawing any like 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: assessments of where I thought the team should go at 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: the deadline. Like they are close enough to five hundred 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: that it's not like. 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: They're in. It's not like the playoffs are. 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: A foot, but they do seem to be hanging in 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: there as literally a statistical contender for the wild card, 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: a wild card candidate for the wild card, if you will. 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: So it's like a tough spot for the team. They're 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: not going to go some sort of like full rebuild. 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: The word on the street meaning the word literally everywhere 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: after John Hayman tweeted out the Marlins are now like 40 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: listening on every single player, But Sandy feels like totally 41 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: in line with like the right approach to the deadline. 42 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Listening is great and something kem agg seems seems to 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: be quite quite quite good at as a general manager. 44 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: So what I have today is a bit of an 45 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: assessment of the team, looking at like long term value, 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: figuring out like who the most important Marlins are, too, 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,279 Speaker 1: like the sustained success of this team, looking. 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Really at like twenty twenty two, twenty twenty. 49 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Three as still like possible contention years twenty twenty three 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: more so than twenty twenty two, no doubt, and a 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: good bulk of the team at least could be under 52 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: contract for next year. So there isn't much urgency to 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: change the roster other than the fact that the roster 54 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: hasn't performed yet this year in twenty twenty two. So 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: to those among us more let's say, discerning of what 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: we're watching on Valley Sports Florida, there does seem to 57 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: be an implication that there needs to be some roster changes. 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: There needs to be some traits. In his article, Eli 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: highlighted a few like minor leaguers that are looking to 60 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: be on like the outside of a forty man roster 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: crunch coming this fall. So it's not like there's like 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: the floor is kind of falling out, if you will, 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: and seemingly the roof is caving in as well, so 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: like there does seem to be a need for change, 65 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: and it does seem like this deadline will come with 66 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: some movement. The Marlins will make decisions this off season 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: looking at Hazus Aguilar, Jorgeselaiir, Joey Wendell and Brian Anderson 68 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: all either like arbitration or like options to return in 69 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So with that, if I were the 70 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Marlins general manager, I would certainly be picking up the 71 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: option for Jorge Selaire Joey Wendell, I'd also be extending 72 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: arbitration to Brian Anderson. Jesus Aguilar probably not given really 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: his performance this year and Garrett Cooper's presence as like 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: a better bat at first base and Leywin Diaz's presence 75 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: as a cheaper at her fielding first baseman, it seems 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: like his role in the team isn't as essential going forward. 77 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: But does that mean you trade him? No, Maybe Garrett 78 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: Cooper gets all this attention at the deadline and maybe. 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: That's the route you choose to go in. 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: But with those like near term decisions looming, noting that 81 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: like the rotation as it would like line up potentially 82 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three is like a Sandy Pablo, Trevor Rodgers, 83 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: Jesus Luzardo, Garrett Braxton, Garrett, Edward Cabrera, six of Sanchez. 84 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: On the outside of that, Max Meyer sadly looking possibly 85 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: towards Tommy john surgery. 86 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: Really key to my assessment of the Marlins team. 87 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: It felt like they had some upside still arriving to 88 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: the roster with Meyer Bluedet this past weekend. But it's 89 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: for as much as Bludet feels like he's like a 90 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: hitter that can hang at the major league level, Max 91 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: Meyer's out, and. 92 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: For me, that is really a big blow. 93 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: The Marlins also have some positional players and the Miners 94 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: looking at that roster crunch with Charles de Blanc, a 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: third baseman, Peyton Burdick, and outfielder Griffin ConA and Troy 96 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: Johnston kind of like Cornery players DH types. So with 97 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: all of that, here's a ranking of the Marlins based 98 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: on like their essential value to the Marlins contending now 99 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: and in the near future, really gearing towards that near future. 100 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Up top, we have Sandy Jazz, Pablo Trevor Rodgers, Garrett 101 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Cooper for me, jj Blade ahead of Edward Cabrera, and 102 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: Jesus Lozzardo Braxton, Garrett, Guri Perez, Sixto Sanchez, A lot 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: of pitchers keep this Marlins team going forward. Nick Fortes 104 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: is also like, in my mind, on like the top 105 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: half of this roster, like of like players who are 106 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: bringing essential value to a contending Marlins team. Then you 107 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: get into Jesus Sanchez, Avi Garcia, who like certainly with 108 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: his performance, it's hard to imagine a trade working out 109 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: where the Marlins don't eat some money or trade some future. 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: But I do see the Marlins being patient with his bat. 111 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: He's been in almost every game for the Marlins. He's 112 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: at least been a healthy that even though he has 113 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: looked totally like I mean lost at the plate, it's 114 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: felt like he isn't in the at bat. If I'm 115 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: making the decisions, I'd send him to the bench because 116 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: that does seem like something that might encourage him to 117 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: turn it around. I certainly would much rather be playing 118 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: in the game than ride in the pine, even if 119 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: I were a multi million dollar athlete. So maybe a 120 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: bit of a nudge to the vet could help him 121 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: sort some things out. And he is still important to 122 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: the future of this team, being that he is like 123 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: basically booked in the roster. South of that, Lewin Diaz, 124 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: John Burd who's been phenomenal when he's played a lot 125 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: of injuries for him, Brian Dela Cruz, Miguel Rojas looking 126 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: less like a long term solution as you're starting shortstop 127 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: as his bat hasn't quite been there, But I think 128 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: we all felt like he was going to fade into 129 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: a vent role for the Marlins eventually anyways, so I 130 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: really don't imagine. 131 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: Him being a treated figure. 132 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Then we get into the more like short term pieces 133 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: with like Joey Wendel, Brian Anderson, jorgez Ohilaire and Jesu's 134 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Aguilar Jacob Stallings, who really hasn't shown much at the dish, 135 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: and looking at that team, you could certainly find some 136 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: more at bats for Urere and Carnacion who hit another 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: home run tonight, for the Jump of Shrimp, possibly Peyton 138 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Verdick Griffin, Conine, Troy Johnston as well, maybe even some 139 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Charles LeBlanc as Bladet and Diez get more at vats 140 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: as well. What I think that they will end up 141 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: moving is whoever of Aguilar Solaire the Garcia gets attention. 142 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I think they'll move Joey Wendell or Brian Anderson. I 143 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: think you certainly could without giving up twenty twenty three 144 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: or even twenty twenty two, in the sense that this 145 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two team is a like sub five hundred 146 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: team that might you know, like punched up like a 147 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: notch or two going forward. I do think the team 148 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: could trade Pablo Lopez, Trevor Rodgers or Blacksman Garrett and 149 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: get away from it long term. And I think the 150 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: team could also give a few pieces from the bullpen 151 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: that's been a part of the roster that's been basically 152 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: handled like it's a disposable part of the roster. Certainly 153 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: kem Ang and the staff, they've basically rebuilt the bullpen 154 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: like three times in the last two years, counting the 155 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: COVID Curse of twenty twenty, the initial build for the 156 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one team, and then like perhaps a few 157 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: more trades than you would have liked to have seen 158 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: from the bullpen at the deadline last year. Really critically, 159 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: that's a part of the roster that's looking for like 160 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: monetary investment to get that like over the top piece. 161 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: And I could also see this Marlins team moving Brian 162 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: d la Cruz or Jesu Sanchez or Garrett Cooper. Though 163 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: those two seem to be more like critical pieces towards 164 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: like a long term success, they could be desirable players 165 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: in a trade package that really this deadline really could 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: go in so many different directions, especially if the Marlins 167 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: have made available their prospects. Talk has been that like 168 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Khalil Watson's recent past like might make him like a 169 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: highlight of what could be available from the Marlins farm. 170 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: So really it feels like all the chips are on 171 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: the table. It's just a matter of whether or not 172 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: there will be these trades they will get exchange, and 173 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: it's also a really big question of whether or not 174 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: Bruce Sherman's gonna add some more chips to that stack. 175 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: We'll just have to wait and see. 176 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: As Eli assessed in this article, that the Marlins haven't 177 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: been able to like financially push past the few mistakes 178 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: that they have made to the detriment of the on 179 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,239 Speaker 1: field play is a real key point to this Marlins team, 180 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: and it does really feel like there's a lot that 181 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: could be done on the corners of this roster, being 182 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: like third first, left field, right field, with those players 183 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: on the outside of the forty man looking to come 184 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: in and Direro and Canacione just begging for more action 185 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: at the big league level. Pretty key going forward is 186 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: like the middle infield spot. With Jazz's injuries and Miguel 187 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: Rojas's that it's almost feeling like something could be done 188 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: there in the future. But also Brian Anderson and Wendell 189 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: might make a good left side of the infield, and 190 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: Jazz going back. 191 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: It's a whole like puzzle. 192 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, to 193 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: say the absolute least, But for now, for today, I've 194 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: been Andrew Dull. Marlins are set to play at six 195 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: point forty Braxton Garrett start to night against the Cincinnati Reds. 196 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: I'll be back with you on Friday top get you 197 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: the latest whatever, and I mean literally whatever that might be.