WEBVTT - Ep. 743: Stuffing Your Pet 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening past, you 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.360 can't predict anything brought to you by first Light. When 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.600 I'm hunting, I need gear that won't quit. First Light builds, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.160 no compromise, gear that keeps me in the field longer, 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.120 no shortcuts, just gear that works. Check it out at 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.599 first light dot com. That's f I R S T 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:44.040 L I t E dot com. A lot of talk 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.800 these days about the death of late night television. Oh yeah, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.479 you probably don't know where I'm going with this. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.319 I don't know where you're going with it, but I've 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.680 been paying attention to the top. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.600 Yeah. Someone even said it's a it's a by the 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.560 Colbert losing his show as a it's bad for the 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.040 it's against the constitution. You aware of this. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.760 I was not aware of that. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.400 I read it today. But uh, I'm going somewhere with 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.600 this real quick. But I mean, the dude makes you know, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.040 he makes twenty million a year, twenty million dollars a year, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.160 and the show loses forty million dollars a year. The 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.080 reason I bring this up is, you know, and those 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.520 kind of shows their eyes go great show for you tonight, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:26.440 ladies and gentlemen. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:27.720 Are you going to start doing that? 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:29.960 No, because they're not. They're not gonna be able to 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:30.559 do it for long. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.240 Someone's got to carry got to. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.680 Say it show today, ladies and gentlemen. Good thing we 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.000 recorded in the morning. That's what I said today. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.200 We should just try to have this air late night 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.119 and you can be the new late night shtick thing. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.960 Yeah or yeah, or we do like a deal where 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.160 we do some analytics and find out when people mostly 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.440 listen to the show and just cater to that group. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.880 Yeah, ten am we do a traffic report. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.280 Yeah, because I want to steal the late night group. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.040 Wait till we get a band in here. I mean 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.440 one of those late night shows had their budget. They 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.560 had to get rid of their. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:18.000 Talented individuals like I've seen Phil on all kinds of instruments. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:23.000 For the kids, flute, who plays the drums in here? 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.200 You can bang on drums now. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.639 And then I got to get a suit and time 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.359 because those guys, for some weird ass reason, wear suits 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:33.320 and ties. I'll never understand nighttime guys. Nighttime show guys 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.120 were a suit and tie. Sports guys wear suit and ties. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.320 Which seems why are not just like you're doing sports? 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.120 What's that we could have first, like make you a 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.720 special suit for the show? 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.720 Great show for you this morning, ladies and gentlemen. We 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.080 have on this is great, This is like, this is 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.920 this is mega producing on Krin's Park. To bring this 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.240 whole thing together, we have on the co owners of 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.960 pardon me, Bishoffs, Yeah, the co owners of Bischoff's The 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:08.680 Animal Kingdom, a tax dermy shop in Hollywood, California, Ace 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:14.840 and Ray. Okay, the shop here, I'm this is Krin's intro. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.040 It's great. The shop is three hundred years old this. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.640 Year, one hundred and three. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:28.919 What did I say? Yeah, history by that number, I've 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.880 been married seventy one years. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.640 Goes back to Spanish California. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:41.840 I've been married seventy one years and uh yeah, and 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.360 I'm fifteen years old. Uh. The shop is one hundred 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.080 and three years old this year. It's known for creating 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.360 prop animals for movies and films, but more recently they 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.520 become famous as the go to spot for pet owners 0:03:54.920 --> 0:04:00.520 who want to preserve dogs, cats, birds, you name it, guys. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.440 Now the reason one of the reasons you boys are here, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.320 Ason ray Is because we have a sort of this 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.520 is a little bit of a problem here because we 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:18.440 have a like official tax dermist, John Hayes from Hayes 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.000 tax Dermy Studio. Don't you for a minute think. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:22.440 You're jump out. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.280 Don't you for a minute think you're here to steal 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.200 John Hayes's thunder. But Karinn put it to John Hayes, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.760 do you do pets, to which John Hayes said, no, right, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.640 I'm not gonna get into why, but he's he doesn't 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.000 do pets, and so therefore we had to bring you 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.640 Fellers in to fill our pet niche but also just 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.600 a totally different world. But I just don't want you 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.400 to start thinking that you're like, oh John Hayes. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.320 Now yeah, but like if you want, he's. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.320 Gonna get a hat that says he's gonna get it. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.320 Hayes tax Dermy hat says better than I mean, you 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:00.919 did bring. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.279 A hot out. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.480 So yeah, something to do with John Hayes. Listen, I 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.160 don't want to confuse. Yeah, we're gonna show him a 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.320 bunch of Hayes texts Dremy work and say like, how 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:18.360 could you improve upon it? So from we caught Wendy 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.039 we caught wend of h we caught Wendy guys because 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.120 you were recently. Uh, there was a recent article in 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.960 the La Times which which uh caught our fancy. Here's 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.800 a passage from the article. Ace Alexander, raise your hand. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:35.640 For those of you listening. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.880 The guy in the middle, who I like how they 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.080 point out the article, who is forty years old? Are 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:41.760 you still forty? 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.520 I'm still forty? 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:42.880 Okay? 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:43.000 Yeah? 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:43.720 Yeah? 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:49.080 And Ray Masius am I saying that? Rightsius? Who is 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:49.680 fifty five? 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:52.160 Can that one up? 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.919 The four still fifty five? Okay? Good, that's show us 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:01.880 how freshest article is right. The or the fourth owners 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.320 in Bischoff's long history have steered the company to meet 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.080 the new demand, meaning pet stuffing, well not stuffing. We'll 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.760 cover details, describing each other as good friends. The two 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.600 men dressed similarly. This is such like weird things that 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:21.800 wouldn't cover. The two men dressed similarly. Okay. They like 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.279 to wear black T shirts and black pants, which one 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.880 of you is not doing. That checks out, though. Let 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:33.040 me see your pants. We'll call your pants darkwashed. Why 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:33.960 do they care about that? 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.000 I have no idea. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.480 Yeah, if someone featured this place they'd say the same thing. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.880 It's a lot of guys between the ages of twenty 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.120 five and forty five wearing tallive and tan colored clothing. 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.960 It reads like a like a GQ feature, Like the 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.919 first sentence is George Clooney takes a bite of his 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.280 flying Yeah, we know who. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.080 They usually do that too in the media, and I 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.000 guess it pisses women off. But like even women politicians, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.039 they're always as commentary about what they're wearing, always like 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.200 what are they wearing? What are they wearing? 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.080 So superficial, but. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.360 This being the La times, I guess it's important for 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.560 them to point out that you guys wear you'd like 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.320 to wear black clothes because that way the blood doesn't show. Probably, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.800 it says you guys are so in sync, and we're 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.000 gonna have ninety minutes to find out if this is true. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.960 The article says, you're so in sync you sometimes finish 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.280 each other's thoughts. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.559 Damn okay. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.520 You start a thought, what are you thinking right now? 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.480 You say right now, I'm saying right now, I'm thinking 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.000 right now. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:42.960 I think it's uh okay. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:43.679 And then tell what he's thinking. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:45.920 That's pretty well to be here. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:56.360 Is that what you're thinking about that right now. Since 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:01.040 taking over the business, both have transitioned to primarily vegan diets. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.200 Is it like the ice cream person that doesn't eat 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.000 ice cream anymore? 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:06.000 No? 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.640 No, no, See, for me, I just like eating I 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.200 eat meat. I just eat clean meat. Be So it 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:15.960 just means I like my grains and I like my meats. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:16.720 I don't. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.360 It's not, you know, sound like vegetables. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.360 I I eat healthy, you know what I mean, like 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.680 to my standards of what everybody has around idea of 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.320 what healthy is depending on what you read. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.280 Okay, we're just checking out the other time. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.439 Yea, was that inaccurate reporting because. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.520 Primarily you eat mostly vegetables. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.800 Yeah, he needs more towards the vegan die. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:39.040 Yeah. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.600 Sure, once in a while. Weekends, I you know, I 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.560 eat whatever I want so, but during the week I 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.880 kind of keep it, try to keep it as clean 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.240 as possible and for. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:52.000 My own you know. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:53.760 And I'm not here to tell you what to eat. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.560 No, of course, we're just fact checking. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.600 Bishoffs used to be the tax dermist to the stars 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.240 in the trophy area, but now we're taxed dermis in 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:09.559 the pet pet preservation area. Then you got to quote 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.720 that I don't agree with, but it's probably true for 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.040 your clientele. He says, people no longer hunt now they 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.360 just love their pets, which I would mostly agree with. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.000 California, Los Angeles. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.800 So we asked them to come on and talk about 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.160 their their unique the history of bishops and their unique niche. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.360 And assuming you guys are still in the movie business, Yeah, okay, cool, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:35.840 So we're gonna we're gonna talk about all that like 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.200 an aspect of tax deurmy that you're that our listeners 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.880 are probably unaware of. But first in the news, Seth's 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:49.280 wife in the news. No, okay, let me find what 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.000 we're gonna talk about with Seth's wife. Everyone knows Sess's wife, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.280 should know. Sess's wife is a Kelsey Morris. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.760 I was gonna say, does she have a name. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.120 Her name is Kel's Morris. If you need to know, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:08.120 where's my picture? So we're right now Randon and I 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.840 are recording our third volume of me Eater's American History. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:17.080 We did The Long Hunters seventeen sixty three to seventeen 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.160 seventy five, and that's about Daniel Boone and the deerskin trade. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.680 Then we did The Mountain Men, eighteen oh six to 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:30.640 eighteen forty, which is about folks like Jim Bridger and 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:36.199 the beaver skin trade. And now we're recording The Hide Hunters, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.840 which is about the buffalo skin trade, and that goes 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.880 from eighteen sixty five, the close of the Civil War 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.480 to eighteen eighty three, which was the last big kill. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:57.040 Kelsey Morris, the artist, has done all of our covers. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.520 She did a skull, she did it. We had for 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:04.520 long Hunters, should be in here, somewhere, the original till 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.320 I happened to it. Oh, it's in the kitchen. For 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.120 the long Hunters, she did us a white tailed deer 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.280 skull with a bullet hole punched in his head. For 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.840 the mountain men, she did us a rocky mountain beaver trapper, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.200 a mountain man. Where's the where's the thing we had 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.000 a minute ago that was showing you. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.680 In your email? It's an email from hunter. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.160 Oh that's the problem, he said it to me. I 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:37.280 can't find it. Uh huh, must have deleted or something. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.320 Oh no, got it, got it, got it, got it? 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:44.440 Where was I For. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.000 The listeners at home? There's now an image on Steve's computer. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:48.880 Well, I'm gonna show it. To the camera if you 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:49.559 give me a second. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.080 No, no, but I'm just I'm doing the thing for 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:53.440 the people that are driving right now. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:12:00.440 Oh oh that's good. Yeah. For the mountain men, she 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.680 did a rocky mountain, beaver trapper mountain. For the hide hunters. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.480 We did the thing that was most logical to us, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.520 because we want all the when there, when it's all 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.600 said and done, it'll look like a collection. It looks 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.280 like a collection. You'll you'll go on to eat apple 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.439 books or whatever the hell, and you'll be like, oh, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.720 this is like a thing like these all go together 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.079 and they track through time. Well, we had her do 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.520 a buffalo skull with bullet bullethole punched in his head, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.000 but that's not where the hide hunters shot him. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.120 That's a great point. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.040 So it's a factual problem. They didn't shoot him there. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:42.120 And we describe in great detail shot hide hunter shot placement, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.400 which includes some horrifying shot placement. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.959 Deliberate, deliberately horrified. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.040 What's it was an example, I'll give you an example. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.600 For the most part, they shot for the lights, meaning 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:01.360 the lungs. However, we explained in great detail what a 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.880 stand was like, how they manage their shooting. The objective 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.000 was that you get forty to fifty of them in 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.880 a pile. You didn't want them scattered all over hell 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.520 because it's hard for the skinners. You'd want them in 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.040 a pile. So they do a thing called a stand. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.160 When doing a stand, you had to be careful about 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.520 the first one you hit. If you hit in the heart, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.120 it might run one hundred yards and that causes too 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.880 much chaos. So they wanted to anchor them. No, oh, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:33.679 it's just it's terrible. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.400 They wanted them to wobble around. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.240 They wanted to, as they put it, make them sick. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.240 They shoot the wound, they would call it making them sick. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.840 So the first one or two they'd like to hit 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.480 them right in front of the hips. Oh, Gutcha the 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.120 only And we're teasing Reeve because Reeve has been engineering 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.760 for us and the first woman that made it's a 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.439 it's a it's a male heavy story, the story of 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:02.240 the Hide Hunters. Imagine it tends to be for whatever reason, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.679 tends to be a lot of guys running around of 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.440 the high Hunters. But we're laughing with Riva because the 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.280 first woman that we quote, the first woman that we 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.160 quote in the whole project is saying it was so 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.480 fun to watch Daddy and the guys shoot. They would 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.040 shoot and make them sick. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.560 It's like the most disturbing line of text in the 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:26.200 whole thing. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.400 Then, so we're like, reave a perk right up when 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.920 a woman came in. But that was immediately disappointed. So 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.080 they but they rejected our They rejected the publisher not 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.400 rejected like it's not a good word for it. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:39.800 They asked for alternatives. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.480 They didn't like the skull because it looked too much 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.160 like the other skull. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.400 With the hole in it, which is fair. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.720 Yeah, yeah, and then these kind of things you can 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.080 pitch a fit, but you're burning uh what are you 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.680 burning capital? Capital? Yeah, you're burning capital. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.200 Do you want to spend it on that or on 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.400 something else that really? 0:14:59.680 --> 0:14:59.920 Yeah? 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.400 Or would you rather fight about if they come back 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.680 and they're like, hey, how come there's only one woman 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.160 and she's crazy? Right, then you can then you can 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.040 right fight about that. But so we don't want to 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.720 fight about the cover, So seth we we're gonna settle 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:19.320 up on the original picture. Yeah, so it's not a 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.800 hit to your family finances. Good, That's what I like 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.600 to hear. And now we're gonna do this. Where do 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.360 I aim at? Phil? 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.240 I just directly in front of you. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.720 Can that camera zoom in though it cannot? 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.160 But if I don't know, if you can slack this 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.600 to be random, I can put it on the screen 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:35.160 on the TV. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:36.440 That's even worse. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.640 Maybe hold this over there, Maybe hold this over there. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.120 Now it's a it's going to be out of focus. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.400 All these cameras are on manual focus, so they if 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.880 you hold it right up to the camera, it's gonna 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.280 be fuzzy. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:48.040 How about that. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.040 I'll put it on on the TV and on the screen. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.200 That's one way to do it. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:16:01.280 Yeah, you're surrounded by a bunch of barbarians, Phil, I'm sorry, Phil. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:06.040 That's good news. It's good news for Seth. Yeah, it's 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.520 kind of bad news for Kelsey because she was explaining 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.320 to me that she's a little bit in vacation mode 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.320 right now. She is, but. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.960 She can really be in vacation mode when she's actually 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.600 on vacation to Ben keep her busy. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.040 And we're working on that right now, right here in 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:28.360 this all all damn day long. Here's a little tidbit 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.960 that we're here's just one little tidbit from Yeah, here's 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.840 one little tidbit from Hide Hunters. This is one of 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.240 my favorite little tidbits, and it's just packed full of 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.680 freakish stuff. There's a guy that there's a hide hunter 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.600 what was his name? Shoots a shoots a buffalo, goes 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.240 up to skin it or shoots it, and it stands 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.440 up and goes to attack them. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.840 No, no, is it Kelly Shoot? 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:53.120 Yeah? 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.520 I think it's Kelly shoot. Shoots boll by Fort Betton, Montana. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:02.800 Shoots a buffalo, realize it's not dead, gets his pistol 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.719 out to try to finish it off. It stands up 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.560 and comes at him. He's in such a hurry to 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.480 get on his horse and get out of there that 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.720 as he's jumping on his horse, accidentally shoots his horse 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.359 in the neck. So now the wounded buffalo is chasing 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.680 the wounded horse and they both die. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.280 And he walks away and Kelly walks away unscathed. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:23.360 Geez. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.320 Yeah, there's a lot of seventy thousand words of this stuff. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.880 Rough for a horse man a buffalo. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.960 Yeah, seventy thousand words of this stuff, and it also 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.440 explains a great detail, not just that, but sciencey stuff, 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.240 a lot of sciencey stuff, like you never knew so 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:49.639 much about mills, production, steam engines, industrial belting, history of 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.240 guns as you will when you have this. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.000 Does this do you cover a bunch of different states? 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.000 Where does this mostly take place? The main action we 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:07.600 get into occurs. I mean it's all over because there's like, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.480 you know, one minute, you're out in New England because 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.920 of hemlocks and tanning, like how tanning worked. But the 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:23.119 main action Western Kansas, North Texas. Oh, really, eastern Montana, 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.320 the real big like I would have thought, like the 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.480 Dakota's now, No, I mean that's in there. It's real big. Shoot. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.320 Oh go ahead. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.879 I was gonna say, it's like eastern Montana bleeding into 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.560 the western part of the Dakotas and northern Wyoming. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:38.919 But like the heart of it. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.760 Is along the train tracks, and I mean because it 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:43.760 all falls the railroad. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.800 The way to think about it too is that like 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:52.199 we begin to start the hide hunt. The big final 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.520 hide hunt didn't kick in until the mid seventies, eighteen 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:03.640 seventeen seventies, so at that point the population was kind 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.840 of reduced down to these real core pieces of habitat, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.119 like the fringes. All the fringe was gone, do you 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:12.919 know what I'm saying. It was just like you had 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.480 these sort of like main population kind of like down 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.640 like down the center of the Great Plains gotchah. By 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.520 that point people thought of it. There was the Northern 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.440 Herd and the Southern Herd, because all the transcontinental railroads 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.520 and the Oregon Trail and stuff had kind of by 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:36.080 that point cleared the middle out and pushed everything away. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.960 So people would talk about it distinctly like north of 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.040 the Platte and south of the Platte. Yeah, I mean 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.920 even in that era, there was the North Herd and 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.680 the South Herd, and it was kind of that main 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.560 those sort of like main population centers. And so the 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.400 hide hunt occurs in two stages, like the Southern Herd, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.280 whose if you imagine, like the core of the Southern 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.439 Herd would be the top of the Texas Panhandle, the 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.520 Oklahoma Panhandle and then up into Kansas. From there it 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.560 was sort of like that's where you could still go 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.560 and see a million animals. Oh really, yeah, like you 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.280 could still go in lay eyes on a million animals 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:15.760 in a group. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.200 And Northern Herd was smaller at that point, that's a 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:21.680 good question. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.080 Probably I believe it was. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.040 Yeah, probably a little smaller. Yeah, but you could still 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:31.760 go to Miles City, Montana and and maybe not look 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.320 at a million, but look at a lot. Yeah, look 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:35.400 at hundreds of thousands. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:36.360 Yeah, yeah, there. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.000 I mean in the early eighteen eighties, they're they're killing 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.160 hundreds of thousands. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.000 Yeah. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:42.600 Cool. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:43.160 Uh. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.800 Speaking of buffalo, here's the thing we've been to it 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.840 working on. I'm guessing Phil can't see this. So our cookbooks, 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.280 our wild game cookbooks, we always have jerky recipes in 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:57.760 our wild game cookbooks were coming out with uh, buffalo jerky, 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.600 bison jerky, whatever the hell you want to call it. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:05.359 We call it American buffalo. But then, just to this 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:06.880 is the first thing we talk about in our hide 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.160 Hunter series. The first thing we talk about is why 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.720 the words bison and why the word's buffalo, and which 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.840 one is right. I'm a buffalo man myself. Randall Ten's 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.120 toward bison, but I've bullied him into being a buffalo man. 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:19.840 I buffaloed him. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.280 It's better for storytelling. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:27.840 I buffaloed him into being a buffalo man. There's a 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.160 whole long story here, Like there's the fashionable number. One 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.320 time we had thirty two million, forty million buffalo in 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.320 our country. Now we got a half million. Of those 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:46.400 ninety four percent are privately owned. We don't get into 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.320 this in our story really, but there's a part of this, 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.600 like private producers, private ranchers save the animal from extinction, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:58.240 and today they're the ones that keep it like ecologically viable. Yeah, 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.520 genetically viable and present on the landscape. Like when you're 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.720 driving down the road and you see a buffalo, nine 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.199 out of ten, it's because a guy owns it. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:05.920 It's livestock. 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.280 Yeah, yeah, which is like I'd rather have. I'd rather 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:16.160 have tons of wild ones. Politically, I believe in maneuvering 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.680 for more wild ones on the landscape, Like we need 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:23.040 to recover the species. But right now, it's its strength 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.640 comes from its popularity as a game meet, right as 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.080 a wild meat, a farm raised wild meat. So we're 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.640 doing these jerky packs where we take the recipes from 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:41.359 our cookbooks and cook them into American buffalo jerky. A 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.480 lot of buffalo stuff going on right now around here. 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:45.600 You guys have stuff with buffalo. 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:52.080 Yeah, really, when's that available? Oh, we're teasing it. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.240 August eleven, twenty twenty five. I'll be fighting a big o' 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:02.199 hallib it that day. August eleven, twenty twenty five is 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:06.840 a launch date. We're just launching in classic pepper more 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:07.680 flavors to come. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.719 Stay tuned at a new site meet it or snacks 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:14.520 dot com, Meet. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:20.720 It snacks dot com. Now is this is the is 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.760 the next thing? Are we just into the show? Now? 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.760 Yes? We can skip the stolen valor stuff. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:32.160 If you talk about it's we're talking about see because 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.840 you guys, you guys occupy it like a unique niche 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:36.680 and tax dermy. But we were talking about a guy 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:41.040 saying like, like, at what point is taxidermy stolen valor? 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.479 Meaning like if you if you hunt deer and you 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.520 have a hunting cabin and you go buy a giant buck, 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.680 a giant stuffed buck and put it in the tax 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.800 in your cabin to a way that people visiting your 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.640 cabin might logically be like, he got that buck, Yeah, 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.760 but you didn't you bought it? Is that stolen valor? 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:04.879 And so we're trying to weigh out like how this 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.320 whole thing works. But you you don't need to weigh 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:09.840 in on that, because I don't want you to alienate 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:10.520 your clientele. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.880 No, no, no, I mean it feels it just depends. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.120 If they actually hunt and then they go purchase, they 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:21.680 go purchase something huge from us, then it seems a 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.480 little bit like stolen that. But if they're just like 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.280 stylists or house decorators, yes, for people who just you know, 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.719 they're not in the hunting world, then it might not 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:31.280 be stole that. 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.959 That's where we landed. That's where I landed. I landed. 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.240 Is like, are you using it in the way that 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:37.680 could be deceptive? 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.720 Yeah, yeah, that's one thing? Yeah, right? 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:41.480 Or is it? 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.280 I mean I think like if it's if it's someone 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:48.439 you know, if it's like a friend's animal or something like, 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.359 you have a sentimental connection to it, like it has 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:50.919 meaning to you. 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.080 Other than I just took possession of all my dad's 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:54.800 texts for me, well four pieces. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.119 Yeah, I've got a buddies I've got a buddy's fish 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.159 in my garage that's stolen valor. 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:07.840 Your dad, like everybodys good passed away. I'm sorry, my condolences. 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:09.600 What kind of fish? Is it? Huge? 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:11.720 It's a big it's a giant snook. 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:13.480 Dad? 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:14.399 Actually is there? 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:14.720 Okay? 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.640 If no, no, no, if I walked into your garage 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:22.399 and you weren't home, what I think holy ship, Randa 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:23.879 caught a big what was it? 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:24.919 Snook? 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.600 Yeah, that's stolen valor, but I didn't catch. 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.800 If I'm not home though, if you're in my garage 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:37.520 when I'm not home, but stole ship. 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.160 I didn't know Randall was a snook fisherman. 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.800 Yeah, I guess. I guess in the absence of any context, 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.600 you could jump to that conclusion. But most people walk 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.399 in they say, oh, that that's a like, where'd you 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:49.639 get that? 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.040 That's a big snook? And I'll go it's it was 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:52.600 my buddies. 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.960 Does it look old like it's it's a it's not 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.960 a partritional it's the original. 0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:03.199 I think, like if there's been multiple times where you 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.280 have given stuff away after a trip, like I always 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.840 regret it, Like you're your bear from the spring you 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:11.520 gave I think he gave the chili. 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.520 The skull, Yeah, I gave. 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.600 I give him my shoulder mount to Chili. 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.240 And Jili is going to office boil that up and 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:19.879 put it on a shelf and be like, that's from 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.040 the hunt I was on with Steve. 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.520 Steve got that or else it stolen ballant. 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:28.000 Yeah, I think that is just like he's gonna display 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:28.520 that as. 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.399 That man was so small that he stolen embarrassment. I 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.560 wasn't gonna bring it up. But you want to claim that, 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:36.200 you can go ahead. 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:36.320 Well. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:37.960 The funny thing about that snook, too, is when I 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.840 walked into my buddy's office one time and I was like, 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.439 holy shit, that's a big snook. 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:43.240 Where'd you get that? 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.440 And he goes, oh, he spread this out because my 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:48.120 dad caught it, and then I got it when he died. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.520 And now I have that fish and I do the 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.119 same thing all the way. 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:58.639 Oh, here's a tax to me question. Yeah, so this 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.840 this I got this bear well over twenty years ago. 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.800 Did you shoot all them holes in there? 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:05.119 No? 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.720 I only shot him one time? It was actually maybe 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.440 that's no, no, no, no, this has been This has been 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.280 employed as a half dozen Halloween costumes. I mean, this 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:20.359 has been through heavy is this? Uh? Here's the thing 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.400 I worry about. There's nothing you can do to save 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:22.920 this now? 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:23.200 Right? 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.360 Or how would you save it? 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.360 For the audio listeners? What are we doing here? 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.639 Oh? Sorry? Sorry? Phil. Up until this point it looks 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.399 like a polar bear, but it's a black bear and 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.480 I and it's it's sun bleached. I keep I keep 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.760 it out. We have at like an outdoor patio that's 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.960 kind of covered, and I keep it over the couch. 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:45.520 And so over the years it bleached to like a 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.280 polar bear. It's my favorite thing. Really not my favorite thing, 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.120 one of my favorite, uh specimens. I feel like it's 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.280 gotten wiry. It's it needs a good shampoo. 0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:01.440 So I was saying, among other things, yes, uh. 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.600 I want to give it a good shampooing. But I'm 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.600 afraid if it gets wet, it's just gonna fall apart. 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.480 It's gonna get stiff and fall apart on you. You agree, yeah. 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.119 You can? What could I do? What could I? Is 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.040 there anything I could do? 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:14.000 You could oil it? 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:22.120 I did, maybe maybe a little longer than what would 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.800 you put on there in your professional opinion. 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.680 You know, even Mackenzie oils is you know, there's plenty 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.080 of tacks from your companies that have oils. Just a 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.600 leather oil, baseball glove oil, you know, any kind of 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.280 old to just kind of seep into there a little bit, 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.160 brush it on and then honestly ad lay a mesh 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.080 and then latex it just because you see these tears 0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:43.320 over time you wear that thing, you pull it together. 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:45.920 You need something to hold it together. Otherwise it's gonna 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:47.720 it's gonna end up breaking on you eventually. 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.560 So if I shampoo it, I'm screwed. 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.640 Oh yeah, it's gonna be stiff as a rock. I 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:53.880 mean it's it's yeah, you can't because you're rehydrating it. 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.600 So unless you're gonna mount it, no, it's it's gonna 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.000 inania meant it's not gonna work. 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:00.920 But I gotta say fundamental value. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.600 I could latex it, well, you'd have to. 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.080 You'd have to lay like a little layer of mesh 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.560 over it with adhesive, like flexible adhesive, got it, because 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.600 that'll create a bomb pretty much. It'll be like a 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.280 skin on the skin, just kind of holding it. So 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.280 if you're going to tear this, that holds it together, 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.680 and then you can like to latex over that or 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.640 back it with something else, whether it's felt. 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:21.640 Like a. 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.760 Yeah, flexible. 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:29.640 Do people ever bring you stuff like this in your 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.800 shop all the time? Do you turn them away? 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:32.080 Usually? 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.920 If it's like most of the time, we we really 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.680 it's not because we don't want this, because we're so 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.600 basic with all other things that you know, we don't 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:40.560 really have the time. 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.600 And then our guy like he mentioned. 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.520 He passed, or your rug guy. 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:50.280 Yeah, it's like, unfortunately we haven't found anyone yet, you know, 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.320 so we we mostly. 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:53.680 Turn them away. 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:58.280 So if I came in and I was like, please 0:29:58.880 --> 0:29:59.720 you turn me away? 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:02.760 How much capital you have? 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.960 It sounds but then it just it pulls us away 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:14.400 from bigger, more important projects, sometimes more important. 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.239 This looks like, this looks like a passion project. Does 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:18.920 it looks like. 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.960 I wasn't planning on getting this out. But and when 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.120 you guys came in, we got to talking about just 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.760 obviously you taxed there. I mean, it brought to my 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.400 my main problem in life right now. But I'm going 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.400 to pursue. You might think it's crazy because it's probably 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.640 like a lot of money for what I'm sitting here with, 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.320 But I'm going to pursue this mesh adhesive solution. Absolutely, 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.120 what am I looking at? How much? How much money 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:45.240 am I looking at to fix that up? 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.520 I mean it's not it's just time, honestly. I mean 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:51.360 for US. 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:57.040 Four fifty oh oh, it's worth to me. It's my 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:03.200 first pair, first pair. Yeah, how you wouldn't guess it 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.360 from looking at it. It was a huge bear. I couldn't 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:06.320 roll that sucker over. 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.280 Should have seen this thing when it started. 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.360 So did you guys go to taxi army school? How'd 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:14.960 you how'd you you know? 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.440 How do you get in just the old timers at Bishops? Yeah? 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.200 Yeah, well you started out working there? 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:22.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:27.240 So it was old an Larry, it was like my mentor, 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.040 and he was part of the some of the original Bishops. 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.000 He was there maybe the forties fifties, and he's passed on. 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.960 But yeah, I just came in and I was doing 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.720 just music before that, and I friend of mine I 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.400 was like, hey, Gary's going out of town blah blah blah. 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.960 He watched the shop and then I met Larry and 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.000 he was mounting a crow in the back and he's like. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.160 Hey, grumb here, yeah, show him out a crow. And 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:51.080 I was like, it's kind of. 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.280 This is kind of interesting, you know what I mean. 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.000 And it just kind of went from there. 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.280 But you were working there though, I was. 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.240 Yeah, I've been working there for like yeah, yeah, four 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.200 or five months, and then Larry came in and then 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.120 it just it's just you know, I started picking things 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.640 up working there, and it all started coming together. 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:13.840 H ray, what about you? 0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:21.240 Well, a little bit later on, he mentioned that Gary 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.840 wanted to retire and they wanted to sell out, so 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.520 we just jokingly said, well, let's jump in, let's buy it, 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.800 you know, because he knew the numbers, he was running 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:30.200 the shop. 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.440 So oh, but how long had you been there at 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:32.880 that point? 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:33.360 Well? 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:34.000 I hadn't. 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:40.360 I had just been there once or twice to. 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.840 So you guys were buddies. Yeah, what how were you guys? Buddies? Well? 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.200 We met through music. 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.040 What kind of music? Just rock? 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:49.880 Like you guys like to play? 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:50.720 Yeah? 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.160 Yeah, we had different projects and then he had some 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.760 songs and then I was gonna do some vocals on 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.040 the songs. And then just through the years we became friends. 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.000 And I think for whatever reason, we were driving by 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.280 the shop one day and I was just like, dude, 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:04.480 you got to check out the shop, and then he 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.680 checked it. I was like like, wow, this is impressive. 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.240 It's like a natural history museum that you can be 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:08.800 up close with. 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:10.720 But you didn't know anything about tax dermy. 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.600 I mean, I knew about it, but I really, you know, 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.840 it never crossed my mind like to you know, get 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:18.960 into it. Oh my god, you know, like I want 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:20.719 to learn or anything like that. I just thought it 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.560 was so cool, like to see the specimen, you know, 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:28.400 all these pieces out there and beautiful and uh it's 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.600 like he said, like stepping into a museum. 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.040 So it was, you know, just so impressive. 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:38.520 But uh, I never really thought about how is it done, 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:43.480 you know, why is it done? Or ah, to really 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.920 go deep into it until he mentioned that, you know, 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:51.840 they wanted to retire and he said the numbers look good. 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.640 So oh so he says to you, yeah, you're aware 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.240 that tax deurmy is a thing, right, and you're like 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.520 looking at it, and then A says, do you want 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:08.120 to buy a text to what? You're like, yeah, yeah, 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:08.919 let's do it. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:10.799 Let's jump on it. 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:11.920 You know a. 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.720 Classic, it's the classic rock music to textrmy pipe. 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:17.680 Slippers Love. 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:21.319 Yeah. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.839 So you know, we just jumped in and we got 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.880 into it and uh, just roll with the punches, you know. 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:32.040 So one time we were about to close the deal, 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:36.799 right and he said, hey, I'm staying late because you 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:42.080 know I wasn't really there yet. I'm staying late. I'm 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.399 skinning a coyote and I said, hold on, I'm going 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.520 there and let me do it. So I got just 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.440 show up in the evening and started skinning a coyote. 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.040 You know, he was kind of showing me around. So 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:58.600 that's kind of my first tryad. Actually, Yeah, do you 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.279 know people. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.840 How many like what what what is this? Like bischofs 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.720 at the time, what was the scale of the business? 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.399 I mean employee wise, yeah, or just whatever you're you're 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:10.720 cranking out? What kind of work? 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.120 And I mean it's hard to say because it just 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.359 depends on the size of the project. So sometimes it'll 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.560 be like a big movie project and they want like 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.719 an animatoric cow that's laying outside with a lot of 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.120 servos and stuff going on. 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.360 So that's what servos and just electronic. 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.160 Yeah, so it'll be like a you know, RV whatever 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.080 those little letters and then so that project takes a 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.840 lot more time, you know what I mean. So it 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.799 just depends, and we're doing a lot of things at 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:42.040 the same time. So you'll see amount being done, pet 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:44.640 being finished, You'll see. 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.520 Like a hunting a mount being done, Yeah, pet. 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:51.319 Being finished, a fake life sized bear that's ten foot 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.920 you know, being fabricated for something where they don't want 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.279 to use real fur whatever is you know, So, like 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.560 we have a bunch of different projects going on at 0:35:58.600 --> 0:35:59.280 the same time. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:01.320 In a studio. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.359 In studio, yeah, yeah, exactly, but how many people were 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.600 working there depends on project. Normally bring them in depending 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.080 on what's going on. Yeah, so on average, like six 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.640 six is kind of like the are straightforward number, but 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:19.719 then we bring in subcontractors. On electronics, there's phenomenal sculptors Jesse. 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.080 We got a lot of people who are just. 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:22.399 Great makers and things. 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:26.879 It depends on how big the project and how our 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.720 time frame. So sometimes you know, the studios the movies 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.920 are always like can you do you know, can you 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:35.240 have it by Friday? 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.000 And it's like sure, his wife bar. 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.880 Did you guys have like other than music? Did you 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.400 did you work in like another? I mean did you 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.399 were you in like a physical did you sculptor or 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.200 painting or drawing or did you have a mechanical background. 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.920 I have a mechanical background, Okay, yeah, yeah, So I 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.920 used to I used to have a smoke check station 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.640 in California. We do, you know, emission inspections for vehicles 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.600 so they don't pollute. So I had a license I 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:12.080 was a technician, you know, so I was handy and 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.359 I did I did go to school for the electronics 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.520 you know, like low voltage stuff, so that kind of 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.600 came in handy when it came down to U servos 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.200 and mechanical stuff and electronics stuff. 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:28.360 So the average day, you guys could be mounting a 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.120 buck from some joe blow that brought a buck in 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.479 that killed one hunting to like making stuff for movies. 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.560 Yeah, sometimes he's working on a on a you know, 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:40.799 on that or a taxi in peace, and I'll be 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.279 working on a on a structure for a for a 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.440 dead dog or something that they're going to need, you know, 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:52.319 like like so and then we do uh he does 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.480 the final details. I'll get it ready for you know, 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.840 just for the final painting and rushing and details. 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:01.600 So we kind of like switch over. 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.719 It like yeah, so we got to see I mean 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:05.120 like he could. 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:06.480 Well, he does all the other stuff, you know, a 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.600 lot of the that kind of stuff I do more 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.440 than I do, like the finish worth, the airbrush and 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:11.400 all that kind of stuff. 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.040 But I don't want to get a job down there man. 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:16.840 Internship for a while. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.799 Yeah, it's interesting, I mean it's it's challenging because every time, 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.000 you know, you gotta we start from scratch and we 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.960 gotta figure out you know, every time it's a little 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.000 different because they always want some different you know. It's sure, 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.239 it's rare when we do like the same thing, you know, 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:37.520 like the same uh kind of prop So they always 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.000 want something. 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:44.600 Yeah, let's back up to music for one sec. So 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:50.319 the Blizzard of Oz just died, you guys, Yes, Like, 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.239 so if I just give me thumbs up, thumbs down, 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:58.400 war Pigs, yeah good, Crazy Train. 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:00.640 Yeah really good. 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.080 Let the record show that to both of those questions 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:04.920 they responded to. 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.799 The affirmative with war Pigs was like a tentative. It 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.640 was like they thought about it. But Crazy Train was like, yeah, 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.480 that was a no brainer. Yeah, war Pisa, let me 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.680 hate with this one. Him doing all them stupid reality shows. 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.560 They didn't thumb It felt like a thumb down. 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.640 Yeah, I'll go between. 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:25.799 You don't want to speak. 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:28.640 Somewhat entertaining, but. 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:30.840 Yeah, Osborne's is very entertaining. 0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:31.600 Yeah, for sure. 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:35.560 I never watched it. I could tell you a long 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.480 fifteen minute story about Crazy Train that involved me and 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:45.160 Craig Kemp from high school, but I'm not gonna just 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.400 want more. It'll be like an appendix, can we do? 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.200 We should start doing appendixes on the. 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:50.560 Show post credits scenes. 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:55.040 Yeah, like an appendix to the show. You do the 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.880 parts you couldn't fit in it? Yeah? How does the 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.279 how does the movie trust me? I want I want 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.680 to get to like just the emotional aspects of the 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:08.879 pet trade, but or the pet business. But like, how 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.120 does movie business come to you? Do you? I mean, 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.880 like like who who comes to you? Is it an agent? 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.520 Is it a director? Like like how do they explain 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:18.080 their vision? 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.960 I mean it's they just everybody reaches out, whether it's 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.400 prop master, whether it's product. You know, anybody in the 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.719 production will reach out. I mean at this point, I 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.799 think it's established enough. I mean even long before we 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.160 were there, well Gary, Mary were, they're the previous owners 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.200 that they just give us a call. Literally, it's just 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.560 we pick up the phone, Bishops and they'll be like, hey, 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.440 we're working on the show. We need a fake pig. 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:43.680 Someone's got to stab it. There's got to be blood 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.359 coming out the other side. We gotta drag it, make 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.240 it flexible, make it heavy. 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:49.799 The actor, does you know what I mean? 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.600 And then and then they'll be like, but we need 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:57.200 it in two weeks, and then you gotta you know, 0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:58.200 you gotta figure it out. 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.640 And then we tell them, yeah, we need at least 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.840 two weeks, and then they're they're still working on it. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.920 And then five days go by and they give us 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:10.080 a green light. So for the same day, Well, they 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:11.919 go back and forth and figuring things out. 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.799 Yeah, are you able to like, can you name some 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.719 films that people might have seen some of your stuff in? 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.239 Yeah, for sure. We did West Road, We worked on 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:20.839 land Man. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.480 Yeah, let's let's done a lot of Yellowstone stuff, The Night, 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.200 all the nineteen twenty three, A lot of the Tailers 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:27.759 and stuff we definitely worked on. 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.640 I was just in what the snakes for? I forgot. 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.960 I was just I mean, the thing is, by the 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:36.600 time the shows come out, I don't even know what 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:37.000 it was for. 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:41.480 Yeah. Sometimes we don't even know they showed. We just 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.080 have the production company name and we don't know. 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.880 You never you don't like follow along? No, I mean 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.080 out of your life? Are you never watching the show 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:50.600 and you're like. 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:54.160 Oh, yeah, that's what we find out. We be watching 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.480 some Netflix and oh, ship, that's that's you know, that's. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:01.600 All blood comes out of that pig going left to right. 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:02.200 That's it. 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.279 So do you often because of the because of the 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:10.879 rules in filmmaking. And I know it's not a hard 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.839 and fast rule, but there's like there are way you know, 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.600 when you started seeing once upon a time, you start 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.759 seeing like no animals are harmed in the making the movie. 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.000 Does that really? Like how does that fit into your work? 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:30.200 Meaning if you have an old specimen it was already 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.120 dead for another reason, are you able to use it 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.720 or does everything have to be synthetic? No? 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.640 No, So yeah, it's just pretty much you didn't kill 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:38.600 it for the purpose of the film. 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:39.359 Yeah, that makes sense. 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.359 So if we had an old hide for example, like 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.919 even we've had donated highs from like the World Conservation Center, 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.759 say for example, when they naturally pass, they'll you know, 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.719 they'll like you guys can process because otherwise we're just 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.799 gonna do a commute vibration. Ye, So we'll say the 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.680 hide and we can use that hide. And it's not 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.160 you know, we didn't kill it for the purpose in 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:58.720 the film. We just had the hide. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.480 Yeah, Like in a movie when they're eat a steak, 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.360 right exactly, they didn't go out and yeah, that. 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:08.640 Same. 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.759 So you guys don't like go get the go, get 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:20.560 the rifles and what's gonna happen? Hit me with the 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.520 hit me with the pig. One. Okay, so they want 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.680 there's a pig they need to pick. They want to pick. Oh, 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.319 I was just watching the other It was a It 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:32.120 was a Corsican movie. I can't remember the name of it. Anyways, 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:33.839 in it, they got a pig hanging there. 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.560 Okay, I saw that. 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.640 Is it like a gangster like it's like the Fathers. 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:44.200 The father is involved in like like local mafia and 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:44.839 then it's like. 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:46.359 The corse Can Mob. 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.080 I forget the name of that film. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:52.120 Either way, In it, they got to pick. They show up, 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:53.920 there's a pig in the truck. Pretty soon the pig's 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.680 hanging there. So you get a call about a pig, like, 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.160 let me just let me give you a fake exam 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.080 because you already brought up the pig. Let me bring 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.400 up one. Like I say, I'm doing a movie. A 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:11.520 guy the protagonist hits a deer at night with his 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.840 car and it's a key part of the movie that 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:15.839 he hits a deer at night. So when you a deer. 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.640 We need a he needs to hit it. It needs 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.040 to be that there it is on the road. There's 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:23.880 gonna be quite a bit of focus on the deer 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:28.120 because of the plot. How would you where do you start? Like, 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:29.839 how would you think about that problem? 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.840 I mean that's probably an easier one because there's a 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.560 lot of deer hides we have. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.360 I mean it just truthfully, I mean, it's not something 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.480 super exotic that you're looking for, you know, and then 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.960 we just see the hide, see what they want if 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.560 they needed to move or be flexible. 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.719 So we'll probably start with two of them for for 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.600 the for the purpose of you know, you're gonna shoot it, 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.839 you get a frame when when he's gonna get hit 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:53.319 by the car. 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.719 Right, That's what I was gonna ask, Like in a 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.080 scene like that where there's like a standing deer, a 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.600 deer like flying through deer, and then like a dead deer. 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.120 So that we would probably multiple deer. 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:04.600 Yeah, there's there's multiple deer. 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.200 See if you're going to get out of the car 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.960 and then drag it somewhere, and obviously it has to 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.760 be flappy, kind of freshly dead killed, you know whatever, 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:15.600 So you need a flappy one, so you would need 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.600 a couple of them, at least two of them. 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.560 And when you're making it look like obviously you got 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:21.839 to make it look banged up. 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.520 Yeah, for sure, you got to do that. Blood, the guts, 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:24.799 the whole. 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.600 We do like silicone, so we'll make MOLDI wile scold 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:32.040 pieces and then lay silicone paint that up. Then you 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.239 can put blood over that and then it just looks 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.480 gruesome when you when you go up to it, you know. 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.919 When it's floppy, what are you stuffing it with? Well, 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.880 so we is that a trade secret. 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.960 It's kind of a secret, but we try to keep it, 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.840 you know, the structure or the anatomy as close as possible. 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.560 So that's kind of we learned that, yeah, you know 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:58.920 through a lot of the ones that weren't so good. 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.840 So we learn that we we need to have the 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.799 anatomy kind of you know, certain parts need to be 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:11.360 like really more structure, structure firm than than Yeah, it's interesting. 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:13.360 It's kind of dips in the shoulders. 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.920 Yeah, and they head obviously hot. 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.440 Like a new kind of a new kind of mount 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.080 I know. John Hayes does like soft coyotes, and we 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:22.160 have a soft mom can. 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.880 But you want right he does. 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.120 Yeah, but I'm just wondering, like, you know, who knows? 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.040 Maybe you want a different kind of you want to 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:36.239 floppy floppy. I don't know Roan at home that you've 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.080 just gotten Tanzania. 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:38.560 Sure. 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:39.479 Yeah. 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.640 Oh, by the way, I know a guy. I know 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.680 a guy that has a full sable and a full 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:50.359 rone hide. Okay, so if you get a movie call, oh, 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.640 definitely you get a movie call, come. 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.080 Talks, and he might be willing to trade them for 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:56.040 a mesh backer. 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.440 Okay, okay, I mean like for ationally done, fleshed and 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:06.520 salted everything down to the nut sack. Wow, ready to go, 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:16.080 No salt, just keep me in mind. So let's say 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.640 we do this deer that we're gonna do this deer 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.760 thing as I described, And I don't want to pry, 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:26.120 but I'm like, hey, what, uh what should I budget 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.440 for this? Now? Don't don't just like like, are we talking? 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:36.120 I don't want to pry. Let's put this way. 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.280 Let's put this one talk about in the number of figures. 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:43.399 Yeah, let's put this way. Yeah, I go and say, hey, 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.319 I just killed a nice buck. I want a full 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:48.359 body a mount of my buck to display in my house, 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.520 and I wanted to look like the second before I 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:57.480 shot it live and well beautiful. And then I come 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.600 with the same deer and I say, hey, I want 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.080 to look like I just ran it over? But bad? 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.680 Which of these projects is more expensive? 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:09.560 As long as you bring it and you give us 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:12.480 a good amount of time, they would both be you know, 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.040 I mean, it'd be cheaper to get you a busted 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:14.680 up looking thing. 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:19.320 It is you got to make all the latex. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.640 But we already have all the molds and everything for it, 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.719 so we youat know, I mean, and we do it 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.040 so often that it's just like. 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.920 Yeah, and you're probably not doing a ton of detail 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.800 work with something like that. 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.360 We just throw dirt on it. If you want it 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:34.960 really much. 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:42.320 Then you built when they read their does it item 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:42.760 for dirt? 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:46.040 Yeah. 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:50.960 So uh, there's that business which is very different. You 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:56.200 had traditional taxidermy, which people can't understand that how in 0:48:56.239 --> 0:49:01.920 the world, like in Bischoff's history, how did how did 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:03.120 the pet? 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:05.920 You can continue? 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:07.960 Yeah, in company history? 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:08.759 Mm hmm. 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.080 What was the moment that someone said, like we're laughing 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:17.080 about Cranny asked John Hayes, did you pet John Hayes says, no, 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.920 what was the moment in Bischoff history? What Okay, tell 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:23.240 me the name of the animal. 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.480 It's not called it's Bishops. 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.840 Yeahs is the name of the company and the animal 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:29.920 kingdom is just like the slogan that goes with I got. 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.880 At what point in Bischoff history was it? The answer 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:35.800 is yes. 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:41.160 Well I think Roy Rogers trigger was was done at 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:41.600 our shop? 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.160 Really yeah, I mean that was a pet and. 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:46.360 Roy Rogers horse. 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:51.120 Yeah, Everett mounted it. Yeah, at our shop many years ago. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:55.560 My god, that is incredible. 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:02.200 And also a buck on the yeah as well. 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.120 I mean if you walked up on that, I'd kick it. 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.719 You'd have no, it's like wake you would have. 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.440 Let let the record show that there's now a dog, 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.760 a stuffed dog? 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:17.040 Is that? 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:18.920 Aug, it's a frenchie. 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.040 There's a there's a stuffed frenchie on the table that 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:25.680 is uh sleeping. 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.879 And it looks and very real. 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.560 Yeah, it's got wrinkles. And you got a picture of 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:34.359 me sitting here, Randal. Yeah, who's hard? 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:34.640 Is this? 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:36.840 That's a client center? Actually? 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:38.719 Do that's that? 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:40.640 Dog's hard? He wanted his dog's heart. 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:47.200 Yeah, smile, you're saying that so how do you how 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:48.760 do you do that is a freeze drivers. 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.279 I had a question about that. 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.000 I had a lot of questions drying that up and eat. 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:58.319 It technically, I mean, not what we injected with. 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.319 The strange part about the heart to me is like 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.799 if I took my dog to you and said I 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.040 want my heart, and obviously we can't. 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:09.880 You know, these are your clients that we don't. But 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.480 like when they get it back to like, oh, I've 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:13.440 never seen that before. 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:18.560 You know, I've seen my heart. You ever think about that? 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:20.759 You never get a good look at your own heart. 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:24.040 Yeah, well they've seen it done. You know, they've seen 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.120 the sample, so they get a good idea of how 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:28.200 what they're getting. 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.400 So yeah, that. 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.960 Is I could see Tracker, oh yeah, getting done like that. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.560 And it wouldn't be that different than the way it 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.600 is now. Yeah, it just kind of later. 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.279 I mean, yeah, I was gonna say, I spend when 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.319 I'm at home, I spend ninety five percent of my 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.200 time around sleeping dogs, and. 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:48.040 You can spend and I. 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.000 Could never tell you that that wasn't a live dog. 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:54.799 Is there's nothing bit of. 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.040 Work that's freeze dried. 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.000 Yeah, it's a it's a hybrid. It's a yeah, yeah, 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.200 we do a little bit of everything. It's like it's 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:07.160 like a weird yeah. 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.680 So what wow? 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.240 What is the freeze like? Could you explain the freeze 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.040 drying process? I mean, I think most people are familiar 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.160 with like standard tax dermoy. You're you're tanning the hide, 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.680 you're putting it over a mold. Then you're you know, 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.400 molding and painting and. 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.920 Stuff like that. But what is the freeze dry product? Like, 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.600 you start with a dead dog, what do you do? 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:32.080 So we prep it? 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.200 Obviously we got to do some skinning in our case, 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:41.640 you know, all the organs and fatty teach who has 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:44.640 to be removed because those things don't freeze right well 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.160 except you know obviously if you do it simply. But 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:55.839 so we prep him. We we actually cast mold out 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:56.960 of their body so we. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.640 Have the same the perfect same body. 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.919 So that's how you get to so you know where 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:03.640 to end up. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:08.439 Yeah, so, uh, but the head, the skull is still 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:12.160 it's all there is intact, you know, the legs, all 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:13.560 the skeleton structure. 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.600 Like that leg or freeze dry good because there's just 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:17.080 nothing to. 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.200 It, right, It's just fats and oils is what makes 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:20.920 it difficult in the freeze dryer, so you got to 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:22.640 get rid of it pretty much. Fats and oils just 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:25.440 don't freeze dry. Okay, Yeah, that's the biggest thing. And 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.560 then we sometimes we'll three D scan and then digitally print, 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.400 you know what I mean, some of the body portions 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.080 and stuff like that, because we were big on three 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:35.920 D printers and scanners, because we've got quite a field 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:37.040 them just for the film industry. 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:37.840 Huh. 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.560 If they want like a quick paw that matches something, 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.520 we can three. 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:44.960 D printed, you know what I mean and then figure 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:45.279 that out. 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.239 So we've messed a lot of different you know, I 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:53.279 mean industries into the pets. Yeah, who's uh, whose dog 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.360 is this? This is? This is I don't know if 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.120 he wants to be named, but it's a it's a 0:53:58.120 --> 0:53:59.640 class you know it's here. 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.600 Yeah, yea, yeah, that's incredible. 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.759 Yeah, it really, it really is. 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.400 Dude. That dog looks like it's laying there sleeping. 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:11.960 Yeah, I'm getting all emotion. 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:14.200 Yeah, think of all the moments. 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:15.840 Yeah, think about your own. 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:19.000 Time, thinking about when he's alive. Doesn't look like that? 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:20.080 How big of a dog? 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:20.600 Like? 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:21.640 Does the size matter? 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:24.840 That's obviously bigger dogs hits a lot more work and 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.200 it takes a lot lower in the the actual freeze Riyo. 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:28.600 You should see in dogs. 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:29.279 Yeah, got it? 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.960 Ye, great, great Dane and my new Finland is upstairs. 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:35.440 So how how many pounds? 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:40.560 But one, one, twenty and one thirty something, so. 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.120 He's calculating how much times. 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.480 We just got one working up an invoice. 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.719 Yeah, someone came in from the East coast and it 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.720 was about one hundred and sixty pounds. 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.600 Yeah, so that's the biggest so far. 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:57.919 You want frozen probably, yeah, for sure. 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.839 Yeah, Yeah, And that's the biggest thing is people sometimes yeah, 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.600 I mean they're not It's not like a hunter who 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.160 knows what they're doing the prep work for, so they 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.520 don't know to freeze. So you know there's times where 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:11.560 like they've you know, your morning. 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:16.680 Morning and they have them out for twenty four hours. 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.160 Or hair starts to slip, yeah late. 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:23.160 Text Yeah, and age, you know, honestly, age, sometimes they 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:23.919 lose a lot of weight. 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.040 And we got to be honest with you. 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:29.319 If you bring in a seventeen year old dog who 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.840 lost X amount of pounds and you're like, and you 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:33.839 show me a photograph of when they were three four 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.120 years old. We can add a bit of weight, but 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:38.600 we got to be realistic about that. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:40.840 Goes in Hollywood, that goes on all the time. Get it. 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.000 Try to make them look good. 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:45.719 Yeah, I mean if we had a band, this is 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:46.320 where they're. 0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:55.719 Yeah, huh, all right, I don't even know where to begin. 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.400 That's just yeah, it's wild. 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:02.320 It looks great. 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:03.480 Ye. 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:07.200 Back when I was I don't know where. I don't 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:11.000 know where things stand in text durmy now. But when 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.759 I was younger, it would be like you just order 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.879 all these molds. I mean like let's say you let's 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.960 sa let's say you do white tail deer. Right, you 0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.200 just order a mold right right. For the most part, 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.960 I mean, like for most work. Be that you go 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:28.799 on to tax dermy dot com and it's like head 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:33.480 to you know, shoulder mount looking right. But in your guys, 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:34.480 there's no. 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:35.799 Yeah, that's why you. 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:38.200 Get into it. 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:39.680 Yeah. 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:44.160 So there's no forms, no bulldog, no French bulldog, no 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:47.600 French bulldog, pounds sleeping. 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.839 The cute little used to do. 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:54.399 Yeah. 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:58.480 So that's where I think that's where the big difference is. 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:01.279 There's nothing pre made or or there's nothing we can 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:02.279 order that. 0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:03.480 It's all from scratch. 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:04.440 It's all from scratch. 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.640 There's little heads on his little paw with a little 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:10.200 like it's like yeah, like. 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:16.800 Yeah, so it's the first is the first step. So 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.760 he he never got you never sent this to get tanned. 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:24.480 No, No, that's where the freeze dryer kind of takes over. 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.440 You know, the freeze drying kind of it's like the 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.720 tanning process, but it's it's uh, it's done by the 0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:37.760 removing the moisture off and kind of it's pretty much 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:41.400 the same result. Yeah, I mean, obviously this is brittle, 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.640 you know, it's it's it's I mean, it's stiff. 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:47.520 Ye would you would you expect that this is this 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:48.480 is this will last? 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.600 Yeah, because we do a little bit of a weird 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:55.840 hybrid thing. We make sure that if you just put 0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:59.520 this in a freeze dryer without doing kind of like 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:02.440 the hybrid thing that we do with it, it wouldn't last. Yeah, 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.440 because fats and oils just there, they're not going to 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:05.080 freeze dry. 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:09.240 It's in edeman. You'll two three years, you'll have slippage, 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.439 you'll have yeah. 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.840 But when you here's are those like the actual ears? 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:16.400 Yes? 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:22.120 Yeah, Okay, No, inserting there. Yeah, okay, so when you thaw, 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:26.640 when you thaw an animal out, is it is the clock? 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:28.160 Like the clock's ticking. 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.360 Now right right? Yeah? Yep, mm hmmm. 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:34.920 That's so I'm just curious, like, without it, how are 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:36.960 you hustling so much to wind up with something so 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.640 realistic with like the proper folds in its neck and 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.800 all that. Like once you thought out, you got to 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.320 start working on it. I mean, yeah, so we you 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.680 have how many how many hours days till it's got 0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:48.960 to be kind of like done. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.880 So we probably we start working on let's say, start 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.360 on it today, and you get to a certain point 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:56.600 and then you put it back in the refrigerator. So 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.560 next day we pull it out, okay, and you continue 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:01.600 until probably two days. 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.760 Yeah, I mean you got to you gotta keep it cool, 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:06.720 you got to keep it frozen. So I mean, it's 0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:08.600 not like you got to get it all done. 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:09.920 Now, not at one. 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.040 Yeah, like I could start on it, you know, have 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:15.000 it pretty much ready to go. Maybe I got the 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.280 mold and then I'm like, okay, wait, it's Friday, you know, 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:18.760 I want to go have a good week and whatever 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:22.160 it is popping in the freezer. Then maybe Sunday night, 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.640 come out, pull it over to the fridge by tomorrow morning, 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.160 Monday mornings, you know, thought out and then we can 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:29.440 go to the next step. 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:35.000 Yeah, how distraught are people when they bring you their pets? 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:38.160 Well, we get a variety of people. Some people are 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:42.720 just normal, you know, not too emotional. Some people are 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:46.200 really emotional. Sometimes even when they call we we you know, 0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:50.520 we understand. So we try to be in and you know, 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:54.280 empathetic to their situation. And so that's kind of a 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:59.600 different Uh, it's like we're talking about going back from 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:01.960 year to a. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:02.320 Pad to a fake. 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:07.920 So yeah, yeah, so you're on the phone with someone 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.720 that wants a snake for a show, and then the 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:14.160 next call is someone crying over the dog, you know. 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:16.920 So it's it's a range of emotions. 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.520 It's a range of emotions. And also when they come in, 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:21.560 you know, we have people from the studios come in 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.680 checking hey and want when I look at your crows 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.560 and they're going and then we got someone bringing on 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:32.280 you know, their pets. It's it's it's a very contrasting. 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:33.680 You know, different energy. 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:35.440 Different energy with different clients. 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.240 Yeah, so we made a little like there's like a 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:40.040 little side pet room, like almost like morning when you 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:42.280 bring pet in, you go to this private room and 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:43.840 you kind of you know, you can sit there and 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:46.080 take your time, just so it doesn't take away from 1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:48.640 your experience. You know, I don't want a studio person 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.160 to come in and just like, hey man, how's you going? 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:50.960 Yeah? 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:55.800 Yeah, yeah? 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.960 Do you do you wash the hides on those dogs thorough? 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:01.280 A lot of If I did my dog, I'd want 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:04.240 to smell like my dog, like kind of half rocken. 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:18.200 Uh what this is? This is gonna be a tricky one, 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.040 Like I don't want you guys to damage your business 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:24.000 or anything. There's got to be right, Like people are 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:29.440 gonna have expectations and then they're gonna come in, you know, 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:33.800 and you gotta be like here it is, yeah, and 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:37.080 then they're gonna respond that seems to me. 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:38.560 Fraud. 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.720 That seems to me. That's got to be a tricky moment. 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:45.520 You gotta be having your fingers crossed. Well, they're gonna 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:49.880 be like, oh perfect and not some other emotion because 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:51.840 they're because again it's emotional. 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:53.240 It is it's different. 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:56.720 Well, so far we haven't had a experience, so we're 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.240 pretty confident. So now when people come in and pick 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:02.440 up their pets pretty confident, there be happy. 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.040 Oh dude, violin this dog, I'd be thrilled. Yes, I 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:07.320 don't know some bit slept like that, but I'd still. 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:13.000 Well, you take your if your pet sleeps a different way, 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:14.360 you you know, we just. 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:16.000 Because people got pictures that are dogs. 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.000 Yeah, and I always say like one to three pictures. 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:23.760 Sometimes they'll send me like an album one thousand, So 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:27.640 which one do you want? YEA one for the body 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:31.720 poss Yeah, oneion if. 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:33.840 You guys did my dog would be super easy because 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:37.840 when my dog sleeps just looks dead anyway. 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:39.880 So just be like, just make it look like a 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:40.360 dead dog. 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.120 Can we get it between As and Ray? Just for 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:45.240 like a really nice clean shot of it. We've gotten 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:47.160 some good shots, but not not the whole body or 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:47.720 anything like that. 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:49.880 Just for the audience. It's okay to slide it. I 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:54.919 don't know if yeah one handles and yeah yeah oh 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:56.760 even the bottom show the bottom of that thing. 1:02:57.040 --> 1:03:03.600 Yeah, wow, wow, wow damn because you can't run. 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:06.920 How that dog looks great. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:10.120 It's great, It's it's really kind of spooky. 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:12.520 How that makes me want to get our dog stuff? 1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:12.840 Yeah? 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:15.360 See that's the thing with people. 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:19.360 Killed. 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:25.480 Difference is you want to get them stuff today. 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:30.360 Yeah, so people, it's not for everyone. You know, some 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:33.840 people of course, you know, like they have a negative 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:36.200 reaction to the actual aspect. 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:40.320 Of you're dealing with the fraction. 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:45.200 Yes, and but people don't realize like when they see. 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:48.240 The final product, when the final outcome, it kind of 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.120 change their perspective on how to look at the actual 1:03:53.240 --> 1:03:57.920 you know, ah process or the or the or the 1:03:58.280 --> 1:03:59.680 just the thought of you know. 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.800 And then also we do have that we have a 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:05.240 bunch of other options, so like a common person will 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:08.440 come in. We have an acclamation machine for example, so 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:10.280 you can just do the ashes, and we have an 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.000 artist that can get you a custom portrait. 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:13.520 We can do the podcast. 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.280 So a lot of people go for like the generic 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:18.440 normal kind of preservations, and then some people do like 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:19.280 a partial preservice. 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:20.680 Some people just want to scull bronze. 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:22.120 Did you just say a podcast? 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.440 Yeah, yeah, that's a podcast. 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:32.080 Thought that's why. Yeah, yeah, oh, just like an imprint 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:32.840 for him exactly. 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:35.560 We do it like bronze, you know, podcasts or I mean, 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:37.800 and then some people want to scull, you know, they 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:40.520 want like a bronze skull. So we'll do that as well. 1:04:40.760 --> 1:04:42.760 Really everybody has. I mean that's the way the heart 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:46.120 came about. One person asked for. 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:49.600 Like vincent price or something wanted that, like I. 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:51.600 Can't even remember who the first person, yeah it was, 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:54.280 but then it's it like somehow other people start to 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:55.680 know about it, and then we just said, well we 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:56.280 might as well. 1:04:56.440 --> 1:04:58.720 Same thing with that what the pond remember someone? 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:02.160 Yeah, just you know, oh my god, I would just 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:05.880 love to get his spot, Like okay, well we'll do it. 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:10.280 Yeah, but unless it has that yeasty smell. Yes, I 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:12.760 mean for me dogs. 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:19.040 Yeah, I'm wondering about like me, because there are there 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:22.240 are certain animals I feel like out there, like wild animals, 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:25.040 game animals that when you taxidermy them, they don't ever 1:05:25.120 --> 1:05:29.680 really have like the full magic. You know, they're dead, 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:33.240 yeah I know, but like this, like like if you 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:36.320 saw a mountain lion like that, or I'm sort of 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:39.280 wondering about like the bleed over between this freeze dry 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:43.520 technique and what we think of as traditional taxidermy. 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.400 Like why are people not doing well? I guess they 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.600 do because I remember I used to sell otters to 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:49.560 a guy that would freeze, dry them, and sell them 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:50.560 a long time ago. 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:54.120 That would be wild. 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:58.520 Yeah, I mean you can do can be I think 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:01.600 the biggest thing out. Yeah, some of the chambers, a 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:03.760 lot of the free drive chambers just aren't too huge, 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:06.560 so you got a size issue. And then also like 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.600 the amount of space that you do. You know, we 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:11.520 could fit fifteen of these these guys in one chamber. 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:13.320 If we fit in the mountain line, We're gonna charge 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:14.600 you a lot of money for that mountain line to 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.720 sit there four months in the freeze. 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:19.120 Driver could have done four of these guys, four of 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:19.520 these guys. 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.920 Yeah, what takes this film up your real estate yet? Squirrel? 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:24.480 Yeah? Cool? 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:25.320 Yeah, we free drives. 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:27.000 I mean I think it would great, like if you 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:29.040 have like a carical cat or whatever, you know, like 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:32.520 I think, because you'd have the skeletal structure in there, 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:34.160 and I think that's what messes up those mounts a 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:34.760 lot of times. 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:35.280 I got you. 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:37.240 So the forms are great, but not as good as nat. 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:40.280 So when you order the forums, they have no no detail. 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:44.200 They're just playing you know, from forms with no detail. 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:48.160 So that's why you don't you don't get the you know, 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:51.560 the ring called the expression on the that's. 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:55.680 A really good point that like the the native structure, 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:59.120 mean the skull, like the native structure is there, yes, 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:01.160 and the pause like the structures there. 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:03.880 Yeah, exactly, you got all the skeletal structure, and same 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:04.520 thing with the faces. 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:06.400 I mean, the face is the core of the mount. 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:09.200 So if you were to do any kind of wildcat, 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:11.520 I mean, it's just it would make more sense to 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.760 have the natural skull and everything, the natural ears. I 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:18.280 mean I've done them traditionally, but it's just your sculpt 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:20.400 and now it's up to the sculptors, up to the artists, 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:24.080 and it's not up to the way he really was naturally. 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:27.480 So that dog's skull is in this mount right here, 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:28.040 right yes? 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:28.360 Yeah. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:29.000 Yeah. Wow. 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.600 Did you guys married? Yeah, we're both yeah married. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:33.520 Yeah. 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:35.040 What do they think about your line of work? 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.480 Well, they love it. I mean they're okay with it. 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:45.400 I mean it's it's it's it's for us. For it's interesting, 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.680 you know, it's it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's not 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.360 like even when people ask, oh, so what do you 1:07:51.400 --> 1:07:54.880 guys do? What is you know, it's just interesting to 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:58.479 spark a conversation just on the fact that, yeah, it's 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:01.000 so random, you know, a lot out there. 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:08.920 I'm still fascinated by how you guys took over the 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:12.760 business and even got into doing this at this level. 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:17.240 You know, I mean, this is this, you know, this 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:21.080 looks incredible, amazing, and it seems like all the techniques 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:25.439 that you've developed to apply to this work is just 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:28.520 you know, it's not like you were, you know, apprenticing 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:29.960 for decades, you know. 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:32.280 And yeah, I think mind blow. 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:34.840 I think it's a lot of the just the random stuff, 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:36.760 like we're talking about that every day. And I think 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:39.040 the studio has pushed us a lot. Yeah, because we've 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:41.439 we've had to come up with so many ways like 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:44.280 how I mean there's times where we've sold a job 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:44.840 and like now, how. 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:47.400 Are we going to do it? Yeah? 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:50.320 They were on an elephant needed in this, you know 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:52.639 what I mean, Like whatever it is, I'm like, Okay, 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:54.160 it's going to take this long and make the mold. 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:55.600 We got to do the fiberglass. 1:08:55.600 --> 1:08:55.880 We got it. 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:59.840 So I think all those freak out moments, let us 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:02.000 like piece it all together to be able to do something. 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:06.719 Do you ever do work on on like time and material? 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:08.960 Because you don't know what you're getting into. 1:09:10.360 --> 1:09:13.720 We do, but we yeah, I mean we do time. 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:15.559 I mean we definitely we priced a lot of course 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.760 material time also just what we're getting out of the 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:20.360 way because a lot of the students, like I said, there, 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:23.640 it's all last minute stuff. So it's not it's not 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:26.000 like a hundred just drops off. Hey man, I'll pick 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:28.160 it up in six months, No big deal if you 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:31.960 go seven months. Just make sure it looks great. Whereas 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:34.400 the studio is like, hey, can I get progress pictures? 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:35.560 Yeah? 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:37.880 I get it, but like right now, I don't want 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:39.840 to send you a photograph of a phone form. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:42.000 Yeah, nothing like that it's supposed to be. 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:44.880 And then they're going to try to change the you know, 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:47.800 the oh my god I wanted you know, and they're 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:51.160 gonna kind of make changes while winning that we're in 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:52.960 the middle of the process. 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:55.040 And then what I meant by time materials like in 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:59.040 the trades, like when I work for my buddy Ronnie, 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:02.400 we do jobs that we're a bid, right, You're like, 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.760 it'll it'll be this and if we lose money or 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.439 make money, that's the price. Or some things that were 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:12.200 more open ended, it'd be like we're gonna work on 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:17.400 the project at blank dollars an hour plus our materials, 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:19.479 because we don't know what we're getting into, so you 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:22.600 normally come back with a it'll be this yes, and 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:25.679 then you lose money or make money on how well 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:27.080 you can fulfill. Yeah. 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:28.400 I mean, at this point, I think we got a 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:30.880 good idea of where it's going to land. So if 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:33.280 we say, oh, it's gonna be whatever, sixty hundred, they'll 1:10:33.320 --> 1:10:35.680 be like, okay, well yeah, and we kind of know 1:10:35.760 --> 1:10:38.240 we're you know, what we're making on it with how 1:10:38.320 --> 1:10:41.280 much the latex is, the phone is the whether we're 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:43.799 using natural hide or fil furs or whatever. 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:47.200 Yeah. 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.080 I was gonna ask what other pets of you guys 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.519 done other than dogs. 1:10:52.880 --> 1:11:03.920 Well, we do cats, hamstairs, rabbits. Rabbits beat goldfish, dragons. 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:07.240 We didn't do a goldfish once it was in the article. 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:09.160 I remember that. 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:14.439 Hamsters, Yeah, hamsters, little rats, little baby rats like there's 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:16.799 you know, sometimes the kid will have rat on naturally 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:18.400 pass and then be like, oh my god, I love 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:20.880 this and it will come in and we'll do it 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:22.679 if that's what you want. 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:27.080 I mean, Hollywood families, keep keep you. 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:30.519 Pet Wallaby pat horses. 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:34.559 We've done horses of course, Yeah, but now horses are 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:38.000 done traditionally because it's just you don't want to freeze drive. 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:39.400 Yeah, there's no, there's no. 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:44.200 You guys did Roy Rot Your company did Everett. 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:47.000 He was a tax rooms at the time he did it. 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:48.479 You guys weren't even born yet. 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:50.080 He was amazing. 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:53.799 Yeah. Yeah, I think still out of you seum somewhere right. 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.000 They sold in an auction. It's I think somewhere in 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.400 the Midwest now. I think it's sold for like a 1:11:58.479 --> 1:11:59.160 quarter of a million. 1:11:59.240 --> 1:11:59.559 I don't know. 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:01.280 Something. Have you ever done a pet cow? 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.360 We did it. Yeah, we do that every once in 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:06.599 a while. We do the headed cat. 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:08.960 Yeah, that's a two headed cat that was natural, that 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:10.439 was still born or whatever it was. 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:11.880 We did that for somebody as well. 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:13.880 A lot of longhorn, you know what I mean, and 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:17.080 just your natural like you know, they'll keep the hide 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:18.479 and then we'll just do the head mount. 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:20.599 Well. How many pieces are coming out of your. 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.400 Studio every year? I don't know. 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:25.479 Is there something out the door every day? 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:25.920 Yeah? 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:27.479 Yeah, definitely. Yeah. 1:12:27.560 --> 1:12:31.479 Pets, oh my pets. And I think we have rentals too, 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:35.000 so we have. So that's another weird thing. Yeah, so 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:36.639 somebody will come in and then we have a big 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:39.920 short showroom with everything you can think of. So we 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:41.519 have a bunch of fake stuff, we have a bunch 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:44.040 of real stuff. So you can come in and you'll 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:46.960 find like a line pole that's hinged where it's I'll swipe. 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.840 So if you're working on a commercial for whatever and 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:51.720 you need that, it'll just be like, oh, perfect, that's 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:54.160 what I want. Boom, pick it up. We'll ring you up, 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:57.160 you'll bring it back. It's a weak rental back off, 1:12:58.880 --> 1:12:59.639 that's all it is. 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:00.439 Yeah. 1:13:01.400 --> 1:13:04.320 How many employees you got now it's like six seven 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:06.760 seven okay, yeah. 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:08.920 And then a list of subcontractors. 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:10.920 Yes, that just seems incredible. 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:16.120 Explain the subcontractor thing. There's like guys out there to 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:18.880 have these particular skill sets, and what are they doing 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:20.559 when they're not doing the work for you? 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:25.160 Well, they work for other studios, so they're like constantly 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:28.719 either you know, one studio to another. 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:30.960 And that doesn't cause problems for you. 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:36.080 Well no, not really, because we have you know what, 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:37.040 we have a. 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:42.400 List of many so if one's not available, we go 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:45.360 to the next one and eventually things will work out. 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:47.759 Give give me an example, of give me, give me example, 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.120 give me example of a guy that's not on pay, 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:55.800 not on staff, who you call yeah for special assignments, 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:56.839 like well, I don't understand. 1:13:58.320 --> 1:13:58.519 Yeah. 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:02.799 So like David Gross, phenomenal sculptor. Okay, right, so he 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:05.120 he will. I think he was the one who sculpted 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:08.280 I think the snakes for Yeah, I think it was 1:14:08.360 --> 1:14:13.559 yeah for what for Landman? So he digitally sculpted the snake, 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.080 like the whole snake was digitally sculpted. He sent us 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:17.920 the file, so he worked from home on that thing 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:20.200 on the computer. He digital sculpt the whole thing. To 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:23.280 our measurements, to everything. We went back and forth. He 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:25.639 sent us a file. We three D printed the file, 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:29.000 made a mold out of it, silicone casted the snakes 1:14:29.000 --> 1:14:31.320 that they're flexible, but wiring or whatever they wanted to 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:34.800 do in them. And he'll float around. So then he'll 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:36.680 just he'll do projects for another studio. But these are 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:39.080 fect studios that he mostly works with, Okay, so it's 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:41.760 like Hollywood studios where they'll call him and now he's 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:46.000 got a sculpt for the new whatever film that's coming out, 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:47.960 you know. So he just floats around. So for us 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:50.120 it's not like, oh, they're taking our sculptor. 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.680 It's no. I mean, everybody can do what you do. 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:54.519 You know, that's cool. 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:56.559 I didn't get to that episode yet and land Man, 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:57.800 I just started watching it. 1:14:57.880 --> 1:14:59.439 So Philly Bob Thornton. 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:03.360 Yeah, yeah, I remember those snakes. 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:07.439 I watched that one. You guys ever do a black mamba? 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:08.680 Black mom? 1:15:09.200 --> 1:15:12.720 Here's and kill Bill. There's a black mamba in there, 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.080 but it's alive. But then there's like, obviously some of 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:17.960 you guys work is not your work, but someone's work 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:18.439 is in there. 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:21.639 Might have been Gary at the time. Yeah, yeah, I'm 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:22.120 not sure. 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:26.760 I have to ask you about cloning, which I saw 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:29.880 on your website it says inquire about cloning. 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:31.760 Yeah, so. 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.720 We don't obviously we don't do that in house. But 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:40.000 there there's that company in Texas. It's called vi Agen. 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:42.160 Right, yeah, so this company in Texas called ViaGen. 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:43.800 We we take them. 1:15:43.880 --> 1:15:46.200 They're amazing, I mean, they did great work, So we 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.120 take the samples. We're just affiliates with them. We help 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:51.120 them out and they help us out. So Cline will 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:53.400 come in. The most important thing that is, you can't 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:55.960 freeze the pet. So the pet will say your pet 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:58.559 naturally passes away and you wanted to clone them. You 1:15:58.600 --> 1:16:00.720 can refrigerate them, but you can't freeze freeze the pet 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.240 because it'll crystallize a sample and then won't be able to. 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:04.600 Get the DNA. 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.120 So that's that's one step that sometimes people kind of 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:09.400 skip up on and then they won't be able to 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:11.960 do the cloning. But we just take five samples, so 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:14.760 it'll be channellly a couple from the ear, you know 1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:16.320 what I mean, small little samples and put them a 1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:19.080 little vials and we overn ad them to them. But 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:22.000 because if we're doing the full preservation, we need to 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:25.280 take those from specific hidden spots. So sometimes when the 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:27.960 vet does it, they do it from like the top back, 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:30.280 and then we get the you know, and then they want. 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:33.000 To preserve their pets dimple, Yeah, it's like. 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:35.160 And then they take huge samples when you only need 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:38.200 like tiny little samples because they're not thinking about the preservation. 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:40.920 They're just thinking about getting a good sample. So we 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:42.680 take them from like the like for example, if I 1:16:42.720 --> 1:16:43.840 was to take from here, I had to go from 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:44.559 like the inner hip. 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:45.760 You can't see it. 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:48.519 It's already tucked the inside of the ear really deep 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:50.600 in the ear canal what you can't see it, you know, 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:51.479 areas like that. 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.839 Yeah, wow, have you ever done a pig getting suckled? 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:57.040 Bal it's a little piglets. 1:16:58.880 --> 1:16:59.960 We do do the little peg within. 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:05.559 I'd like that. Hey, you know, we have a big 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:07.639 old pig getting suck but we have. 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:09.519 Two fetuses in the freezer. 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:11.880 You should give them to those guys there you go. 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:17.120 Yeah, Steve killed a pregnant sow in Texas a few 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:20.160 years ago and then we vac sealed a couple of 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:27.160 the Yeah we still. 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:27.920 Do you people come. 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:29.200 In just to gawk. 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:34.880 Yeah. 1:17:31.560 --> 1:17:36.600 Yeah, it's tough because you're in the middle, you know. 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:38.400 I mean, it's working, but it's you know, it's nice. 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:40.679 It's a compliment because people just want to Some people 1:17:40.800 --> 1:17:42.719 go into town and be like I heard about this place, 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:45.920 and I'll just run around. The thing is nothing's roped 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.439 off at our shop. So you can actually walk up 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.759 to the polar bears, to the tigers, to the lions, 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:52.960 and you know, just hang out with them, take a 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:55.720 photograph with them whatever. It's not like a natural history 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.879 museum where you're roped off with a scene in the background. 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:00.559 Like now you can actually come in and feel what 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:01.559 a bowler bear feels like. 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:05.320 I'm surprised you guys can pull this off with only 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:08.240 six or seven people. I mean, who answers the phone? 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:11.200 It's between him. 1:18:11.360 --> 1:18:13.960 You guys are like, yeah, well, we're. 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:15.160 Working on everything. 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.200 So it's I mean, we've had we've had some front 1:18:18.240 --> 1:18:21.479 desk people, but it's difficult because they go into their 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.920 spiels so fast sometimes that there's a lot of there 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:27.320 was a lot of relay, you know what I mean 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:29.600 between like everything where especially when when they wanted a 1:18:29.640 --> 1:18:32.960 customs say, for example, and it just takes so long 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:36.160 to get somebody trained up to really take on that 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.600 position of knowing how to because you've got to be 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:40.559 creative on the spot. They're gonna be like, hey, this 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:42.760 deer's got to get hit, but he's got to have 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:44.360 a hinge and his arms got a twitch at the end, 1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:46.759 and we need it like by Friday. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:47.639 So what do you got? 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:50.720 And then you know, the front desk is just gonna 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:52.679 be like my first day. 1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:57.920 You know, I'm new here. Let you go get as. 1:18:58.479 --> 1:19:01.600 Anyway ordering a pizza? 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:04.599 Yeah, I can see that. 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:06.600 So because of that, I'm like, you know what, just 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:08.559 I'd rather just picking up be like, hey, yeah, we'll 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:10.640 have it by Friday. It's this much, we'll do it 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:13.160 with this whatever, servo will make a little clamp thing 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:13.559 for it. 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:16.760 Whatever. Yeah. 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:18.920 Yeah, So it's kind of it's it's we need to 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:22.720 train someone, but it's gonna it's gonna take months. You know, 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:27.400 we tried, I mean, and it's it's it's very difficult. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:33.120 So at this point, if you had to, like if 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:38.120 you had to pursue one path, the film business or 1:19:38.160 --> 1:19:40.680 the pet business, like which what are you more in 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:41.040 love with? 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:42.519 Well? 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:45.760 I love what the studios consistency of. 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:49.280 But what's consistent Well, it used to. 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:51.000 Be the studios, but then the strike starting to happen, 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.760 then COVID started happening, so that that kind of made 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:55.799 the industry go up and down, and then you got CGI, 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:02.080 you got a I. 1:19:58.720 --> 1:19:59.679 Yeah, I see. 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:01.800 I think at this point the smart move would be 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:05.719 leaning towards this the you know here, towards this here, 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:07.280 towards the studios, because it's. 1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:08.519 Fine and you're just doing cool projects. 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:10.680 Yeah, you know, I can see that. 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:11.120 Yeah. 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:14.559 Do you feel that the pet getting pets stuffed or 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:17.000 tax dermy or what tax dermy? What do you what 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:24.200 word do you guys use, Like, what is the sort 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:30.840 of line the graph line on pet preservation? Well, it's not, 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.400 there's no way it's stable. 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:37.680 No, well, I mean it's actually pretty, it's consistent and 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:38.680 ground outside. 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.520 And the last it's a graduate. 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:47.240 It's last five years, it's been significantly Okay, Okay, Yeah. 1:20:47.960 --> 1:20:49.719 I mean I think people think of the old ways 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:51.160 of doing it because we got I mean we have 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:53.720 mounts at the shop that were done dogs, I mean 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:57.679 from the thirties and forties, these bad plaster just. 1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:00.400 Like newspapers coming out of the you. 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:03.439 Can see Selthier just kind of like wire poking out 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:06.360 the side and stuff. And I think people think of that. 1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:09.400 So I think until it gets ingrained in their mind 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.439 that like you actually are going to get your pets 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:14.160 to look like your pet, it's going to take time 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:15.599 for people to see. And I think it's slowly starting 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:17.200 to come out with social media and everybody being like, 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:18.799 oh wait, actually that does look good. 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:19.360 Yeah. 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:22.840 Well yeah, And also people now like more and more 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:26.760 and more not that you get your relative stuffed, but 1:21:26.920 --> 1:21:31.960 people now more and more act like pets are are people. Yeah, exactly, 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:33.519 you know what I'm saying it's like a much more 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:35.240 of a trend right now to have a dog and 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:38.680 pretend it's like a person. But that's but that does 1:21:38.840 --> 1:21:42.240 that falls apart because you don't get people stuffed preserved. 1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:43.080 Some people do. 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:44.240 Is that legal? 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:46.200 I think I've seen it done a couple of times. 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:48.679 Not in the US. Now we get calls for it. 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:52.640 I mean, you know, we don't know if someone's called it, 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:54.600 if it's real or they just missing. 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:55.800 With us, but they dust. 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.679 You know, yeah, what do you say, just not our business? 1:21:58.680 --> 1:21:58.920 Not. 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:03.680 I think there was a story of a girl who 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.280 she cold, and I think she got it done. She 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:10.080 was she had to get an arm amputable and she 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:12.519 wanted to get a skeletal articulation of the arm. 1:22:13.240 --> 1:22:17.080 Yeah, people send us those pictures of their arm skeletons done. 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:19.640 There was a guy had his finger. 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:21.280 Done and his finger done and it was like the 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:23.080 Michigan Hello, or it. 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:25.800 Was he just had his finger on a pedestal. Okay, 1:22:26.040 --> 1:22:29.040 he had the stuffed preserved. But you don't want to 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:29.559 do that work. 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:32.519 That's not that way down. It's just you know, we 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.599 just having this is not in our radar yet. 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:37.519 Well you think it's you think it's stressful to have 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:39.720 someone come in and look at the pet for the 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:40.840 first time and be like. 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:45.080 Nailed it, dude, your finger, you know what, damn or 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:51.559 your uncle if you had your uncle done. You're like, 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:53.320 I want him to look like he did when he 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:54.240 was reading. 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:57.400 And you're like, just so you know, we've never done 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:57.960 this before. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:03.519 Tell you though, I'm blown away by the quality of 1:23:03.520 --> 1:23:05.559 that dog. I mean all like I know, we've been 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:07.200 like having a couple of laughs about stuff. I mean 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.960 just from a from a I mean from a technical 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:14.440 like a technical standpoint, that dog is incredible. 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:17.000 The minute I the minute I saw it, it changed 1:23:17.080 --> 1:23:20.840 my entire perspective on the idea of stuffing. 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:24.320 A pet, right, Yeah, that's that's like instant. 1:23:23.920 --> 1:23:26.360 What you don't I guess what you don't have And 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.760 it's and it's probably it's a it's a trade off. 1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:38.120 It's because it's so perfect. You can't get the soft 1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:41.799 you can't get the feeling of having stuffed it. No, yeah, 1:23:41.800 --> 1:23:43.479 because then it's not gonna you know what I mean. 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.679 It's like it's either like is it gonna be soft 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:48.720 and squishy or is it gonna look like absolutely like 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:49.760 a like a dog. 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:53.160 Yeah, sometimes people want to do like a soft version 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:55.880 of their pet things. We'll do it for television and film, 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:58.240 but with a pet, it just won't last. So I 1:23:58.320 --> 1:23:59.840 see we get requests for it all the time, and 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:01.839 I'm just like, you can't get the structure. 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.960 Yeah, And I guess people kind of love the thought of, 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:09.559 you know, having their kind of like coddly pet. Like 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:15.599 you're saying, floppy floppy. You know, it sounds good in theory, 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:20.560 but yeah, when it comes down to the technicals and 1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:24.479 the durability and and and also looks, it's not gonna 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:25.679 look bad, you know what I'm saying. 1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:27.960 I think it's these hips, like for example, like you 1:24:28.040 --> 1:24:30.200 got this with these hips that those ten highs that 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:33.240 are sitting in this room right now, you'd have to 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:35.559 soak them to get a good stretch to be able 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:38.400 to get full hips right, to get a soft hand. 1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:40.720 You can't soak them, So you're never gonna get that 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:43.000 stretch to get to what to get a like if 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:45.280 you have those soft hands to keep it soft and pliable, 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:46.679 you can't get it wet. 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:47.320 You know. 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:49.880 Now you can see that bobcat back I wetted him 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:52.240 and stretching back out. Rand or grab that bobcat. 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:53.519 He's pretty stiff now. 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:57.439 Or it's like it's a trade off either you either 1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.200 want to get them back like I put them back 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:02.559 on the stretcher boar. Yeah, but feel it you can 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:05.200 tell oh yeah, oh yeah yeah bummer. 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.519 So that's the thing. It's like, yeah, it looks like 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:10.040 a too. There's no structure. If you just stuff this 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:11.679 for cotton mounting, you're just like, oh, here's a little 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:19.520 look like. 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:18.880 You got the wrong way, Randall, belly out, buddy, No 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:24.439 show them spots. Yeah, it looks incredible. I would I 1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:27.120 would definitely see that. Like I get the point you're saying. 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:31.559 If someone knew that they could have and I never 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:33.040 I've never seen them alive. But I mean I look 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:35.760 at enough dogs over the years. If someone knew that 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:39.719 they could have a dog look that good, that they'd 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:42.000 be more inclined to do it because they're probably picturing 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:43.920 their mind, Like when you go into a pawn shop 1:25:44.040 --> 1:25:46.320 and there's like crazy looking we did a whole calendar 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:50.479 called fucked Up Old taxidermy, Right, they're like picturing that 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:54.320 I don't have my dog. Bug Eye. 1:25:54.760 --> 1:25:57.400 Sydney used to always talk about getting her our first 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:58.640 dog stuffed. 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:00.799 Preserved, preserved. 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:05.120 Yeah, no, well he's he's ashes now. 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:09.000 But I always I would always say to her, you're 1:26:09.000 --> 1:26:11.120 gonna walk in there and you're gonna look at his lip, 1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:13.639 and it's just gonna be like, you're never gonna get 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:17.559 that dog lip right, And you know you spent twelve 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.280 years like messing with his lips and face and like, 1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:23.360 you know it, so intimately it's got to look like 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:26.280 that or else it's just alienating. 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:29.679 Yeah, you know, my kid got a bear to spring, 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:37.000 a nice bear, and I call him. Why did I 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:38.840 call him about this? Oh? I know I was out 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:42.160 of town, but I was talking to text terms and 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:46.320 I'm like, here's the deal. Everybody always gets them growling 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:49.840 like a rug. It's always that he's got his mouth 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:52.600 wide open. And I'm like, I've come to a p 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.200 I've done the same thing, but I've come to appreciate 1:26:55.280 --> 1:26:59.400 the closed mouth rug because when you see bears, and 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:03.880 I've watched great many bears, they're generally not running around 1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:06.680 with their mouth. Okay, yeah that's true. And I'm like, 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:08.759 so you could have it look like all the teeth 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:12.160 and everything, or you could take my recommendation and we 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:14.800 could get him with his mouth closed. How do you 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:19.880 want it? What do you think? He said, he's fifteen. 1:27:19.560 --> 1:27:23.320 Oh yeah, of course. 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:27.000 Have you ever done a pet in a in an 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:30.160 aggressive posture? 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:31.080 We got it. 1:27:31.320 --> 1:27:33.320 We got a request. And I can't name his name. 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:35.920 He's a famous person, you know what I'm talking about. 1:27:36.560 --> 1:27:40.360 Yeah, Yeah, he wanted his dog and it's aggressive. 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:42.960 He has a cat, but it's somewhat of a wildcat, 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:44.559 so I kind of understand it a little bit. 1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:47.439 It's a domestic look. 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:50.280 It's like a Savannah cat mixed with I forgot savan 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:51.240 of something else. 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:53.320 And he wanted cat. 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:55.120 Yeah, and he wanted it on a branch, but kind 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:57.719 of aggressive, almost like it's gonna pounce on something. 1:27:57.760 --> 1:27:58.400 Are you gonna do it? 1:27:58.840 --> 1:27:59.080 Yeah? 1:27:59.280 --> 1:27:59.880 Definitely? Yeah? 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:04.600 Who was it? Well? Tell me what tell me the 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:10.040 tell me the initials. I'll tell you my initials are. 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:14.960 I mean some of the charming pet cats is that 1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:17.839 they don't like you, right, like some of the pet. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:20.400 Cats that they come in and run away. So I 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:20.800 get it. 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.720 But I would also picture just from a business standpoint, 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:30.160 unless it's cost prohibitive, Like I'm guessing people are going 1:28:30.200 --> 1:28:32.559 to be people that are emotionally attached their pet are 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:36.799 going to have a looser wallet than someone that's getting 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.519 five or six things a year because they're a big hunter, right, 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.280 They're gonna look at it differently. But I would picture 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:47.439 that if someone wanted, like, like, I like river otters 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:51.200 a lot, so I catch an otter. I would I 1:28:51.240 --> 1:28:53.160 could picture world in which I'm like, no, man, I 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.040 want some bitch like that an otter. Are you doing 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:57.840 that kind of stuff too? 1:28:58.280 --> 1:28:58.479 Yeah? 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.000 Absolutely, I think we're doing we're doing I mean, it's 1:29:01.000 --> 1:29:03.920 just a pelt, but a seal pelt, right now, that seal, 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:06.839 that seal pelt. We're doing a couple of seal pelts 1:29:06.840 --> 1:29:09.599 for the Mammal Care Center. So we get calls too 1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:11.360 from nature centers and. 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:12.920 What are you doing with seal pelts. 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.439 They just wanted to preserve it as in an exhibit 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:17.080 a high yeah, yeah, like. 1:29:17.000 --> 1:29:18.479 A height like what's hanging around in here? 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:20.960 Right, But it's going to be obviously freeze dry, so 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:22.880 it's going to be stiffing on a board, you know, 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:24.439 like on a nice board. 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:28.280 Freeze drud, yeah, yeah, freeze dried hide. 1:29:28.479 --> 1:29:31.320 You know why that because we wanted to keep the 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:34.600 the fins beautifully intact. You know, I didn't want to 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:37.800 have to like recreate them in a poor matter where 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:41.000 it's not keeping the structure the integrity of it, so 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:43.519 that we kept the fins the bottom fins aside fit you, 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:45.360 I mean, and then we laid it out flat. So 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:47.760 now when you go to see it, you get the 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:50.080 real anatomy of the actual fin and it's not just 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:53.640 my version of it having not hung out with the seals. 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:59.679 Can you hand that cat back over your mint rental? Yep? Sorry, 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:09.559 Let's say I had a cat and I, uh, like, 1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:11.200 I have a cat, and I just skin it and 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:17.439 flesh it, okay, and I send it to you, and 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:18.840 I don't want to get it tanned. I just want 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:21.720 to get it freeze dried. Is it all the same? Like, 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:23.680 I just get it back and it's freeze dried, and 1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:25.080 I can hang it up for the rest of my 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:26.479 life on the wall, pretty much. 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:28.400 Yeah, I mean, you'd have to flesh it still, you 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:28.800 know what I mean. 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:30.240 I'm gonna send it to you flesh and dried. 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:31.439 Yeah, it's flesh and dried. 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:34.120 Yeah, I mean, but you don't want to salt it 1:30:34.680 --> 1:30:37.360 because we don't we don't know, Okay. 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:40.760 No, everything we do we flesh it goes on a 1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:43.280 wooden board. Well needs a flip, but no, it's like 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.240 it's just beam. Yeah, yeah, it's like flesh and beam 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:48.880 and then it goes to the tannery like that. Yeah, 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:51.120 so does the world in which, like I said to 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:52.640 you and I wouldn't have any shrinkage. 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:54.840 No, you wouldn't have shrinkags. But it would be stiff. 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:56.600 It wouldn't be nice and flopping like this. 1:30:56.600 --> 1:31:00.920 Stiff are stiff now maybe stiff? Still? Yeah, stiff was 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:01.280 a board. 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:04.320 Oh yeah, you'd lose all the it'd be like these ears. 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:06.040 So that's not a good replacement. 1:31:06.200 --> 1:31:08.080 No, no, now you want to do it just a 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:11.240 commercial tanner And yeah. 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:14.600 All right, I was thinking about get excited for a 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:15.080 minute there. 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:18.759 I was thinking about different animals you get freeze dried, 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:20.719 and I thought a big old. 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:23.719 Beaver sitting there. That's what I think. The tails haze 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:29.160 right now is doing a big fifty pounder. Yeah he's 1:31:29.200 --> 1:31:31.760 from the bust and with the bust, and really they 1:31:31.760 --> 1:31:34.439 want that big beaver done in a three point football stance. 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:39.280 But it's a hefty beaver. 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:41.880 But I'm just trying to picture freeze drying the tail 1:31:41.920 --> 1:31:43.920 because there's so much fat. 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:49.439 But yeah, get rid of all that fat. You have 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:51.920 to skin that tail out, tail out, get it all out. 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:54.640 Take as much as you can, just leave, leave the 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:57.600 best structure you can while still keeping the you know, 1:31:57.640 --> 1:31:59.479 removing all the making sure the integrity is still there. 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:01.880 Is gonna laugh. Yeah. Now, I don't want to pry, 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:06.400 but but I'm gonna help me out. But not like 1:32:06.479 --> 1:32:09.479 other than the prime. I want to pry, but I 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:11.880 don't want to. I just like I'm sensitive of getting 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:14.679 into it, like getting into big you know, Like someone's 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:16.040 saying to me, like, so, what do you how much 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.120 do you sell a book for? Yeah, it's like I 1:32:18.160 --> 1:32:20.280 don't know, man, dude, it's complicate question. I don't know 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:24.400 if they're telling you, help me understand what I'm looking 1:32:24.439 --> 1:32:24.880 at here with. 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:28.080 This dog, probably around the range of. 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:34.160 That's it. Yeah, No, yeah, it's you kids told me 1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:35.559 eight and I would have been like it makes sense. 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:37.960 Yeah, I thought my mind went to ten. 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:42.400 Yeah, three grand No, So it's we that's a lot 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:45.080 of work, it is, but we we. 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:46.519 Really know. 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:49.439 Their prices. 1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:52.720 Oh, I don't know all around, like, yeah, do you 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:53.600 have competitors? 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:57.439 Not necessarily, I mean there's a guy on the East coast. 1:32:57.439 --> 1:32:58.639 He's great as a friend of ours. 1:32:58.840 --> 1:32:59.920 You send businesses a way. 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:01.400 Yeah, yeah, we've worked together. 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:03.479 He's freezed out some stuff for us as well before 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:05.800 yeah before, you know, years ago he used to freeze 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:07.320 that stuff for us as well. He's the only other 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:09.680 guy that really I think is really in the in 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:13.360 the business, but he's way out east. So it's I mean, 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:16.320 there's there's a lot of people everywhere. There's business for everybody. 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:19.080 That's what That's kind of what I was getting at 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.719 with why I thought the price be more is because 1:33:21.760 --> 1:33:24.160 I thought the price be more because it's there's a 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:29.800 little bit of a scarcity, yeah, or a special circumstance 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:31.600 or whatever, you know. 1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:35.599 Yeah, no, definitely, I think, well, yeah, that's. 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:39.080 A very reasonable it's very economical, economical dog. 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:41.479 That's why I think that's why we have a high 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:44.439 volume of pets, because it's it's pretty reasonable. 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:46.400 You know, you're not gouging, you're not gouging. 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.080 What about a hamster? What are we looking at? 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:50.640 What? 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:53.040 Twelve hundred, twelve nine hundred and twelve hundred bucks? 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:54.880 Way more value in the dog? 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:58.280 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean the hamster is just it's 1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:01.440 more such, just because you've got to be slip easy. 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:03.400 Here on a hamster slips easy. 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:05.559 Well because they thought so quickly, you know. I mean, 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:08.240 you know, you got your son and whoever that was 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:11.400 mooring this little hamster or whatever it is, he's gonna he's. 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:13.280 Gonna be crying for a while you're consoling them. 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:15.120 And then by the time you bring the hamster in, 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:17.360 if you didn't freeze right away, then we gotta do 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:19.519 the skin, and we gotta do everything. And sometimes is 1:34:19.760 --> 1:34:21.200 you know, you gotta be careful with the slip it. 1:34:21.240 --> 1:34:22.040 You gotta do it fast. 1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:25.920 Now some party, you some party when a parent comes 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.640 in with a hamster and they're like, little Jimmy's so 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:33.640 upset about his hamster. Some party you has to be thinking, uh, well, 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.920 little Jimmy is just gonna have to get over it. 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:40.479 But that's bad for business. So you're just like, sure, 1:34:40.760 --> 1:34:41.280 bring it in. 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:43.040 You don't have to say anything. 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:47.600 It's fun, no, but it's you know, we get it. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:51.639 We get the attachment. Sure, you know, I have a dog. 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:52.360 I'm attached and. 1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:53.639 You can do your own dog. 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.640 Uh, probably something, you know, I'm not sure what, but 1:34:57.760 --> 1:34:59.439 I will definitely do something. 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:01.960 You know, create some memorial for him. 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:04.439 Really yeah, how about you yep, pets? Yeah, well I 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:06.439 had a cat. It was eighteen years oldly he passed away. 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:09.400 He passed away Memorial Day, just know yeah yeah. 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:12.639 Yeah, but did you freeze it well. 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:15.080 When he passed Yeah, yeah, it's you know, and we 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:17.559 have the acclamation machine. Thing is he was already eighteen, 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:19.479 He lost a little weight, he wasn't in his prime. 1:35:19.920 --> 1:35:21.800 So it's not like even if I wanted to preserve him, 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:23.600 like you know, and I will advise people of that 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:26.400 as well, Like if you come in and you got 1:35:26.439 --> 1:35:29.320 an old boy who's you know, not in the best shape, 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:31.720 I'll tell you know, maybe that preservation might not be 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:32.240 the best. 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:32.519 Thing for you. 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:35.320 And hunting, we'll say that would have been a nice 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:35.920 buck next. 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:41.639 Year, right, yeah, year years ago. 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:42.120 Yeah. 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:45.000 Do you ever have people who want to fix things 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:49.160 on their dog? Like when I've got labs, so by 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.439 the time they're eight or ten, they're covered in lumps 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:53.800 and you can usually see them. The people come in 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:58.200 and like, could you just smooth that big fatty bulge. 1:35:57.840 --> 1:35:59.760 On the side of his ribs the tumors? 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:02.920 Yeah, you know, these are pets, So there's a lot 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:03.200 of that. 1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:04.839 There's a lot of hair loss sometimes. 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:05.320 You know. 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:08.200 The hardest thing is actually because we make the studio 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:11.280 side with the f first stuff, they you know, iv 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:14.040 e marks from the vet because when they do surgeries 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:16.280 and stuff, they shave. Yeah, so we got to do 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:18.000 a lot of the hair transfer work for flock and 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.320 work that we do for the studio fake stuff, and 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:22.320 we bring that over to the. 1:36:23.000 --> 1:36:26.080 You can make it if a dog had a shave surgery, Yeah, 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:27.680 you could try to get it back to where it 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:28.120 looked right. 1:36:28.200 --> 1:36:28.360 Yeah. 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:31.920 Yeah, yeah, that's where we create the furd. He do that. 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:36.640 Yeah, yeah, so we do you. 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:38.880 How do you dye the fur? Like you got to 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:40.360 take some hair and get it the right color. 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:43.840 We having a ray of like a lot of fur 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:44.599 and im it's short hair. 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:47.880 We do this flocking method with longer fibers, like like 1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:50.800 this dog for example, say that ear was slippage, there 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.080 was some slippage, we'd use long fibers. 1:36:53.360 --> 1:36:56.560 We'd just flock it block it. It's kind of electromagnetic. 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:01.599 Yeah, feel like there's would be so much information your 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:05.160 guys heads that if all the people that worked there died, 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:07.800 no one's gonna walk back in there. And fired his 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:08.760 business back up. 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:13.840 Yeah, that's what. 1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:15.759 I'm saying, Like a groad, like, if you're a mechanic, 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:18.400 everybody could die, you're gonna find you know, other guys 1:37:18.479 --> 1:37:21.080 could come in and write, But on this I feel 1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:22.920 like the institutional knowledge. 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:26.639 Yeah, it's just like just all that junk. 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.160 And that's what's difficult too, even for us to find 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:31.840 the right hands when we want to bring somebody else 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:34.760 on is you know, because sometimes like I don't want 1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:36.280 to you know, we don't want to be doing everything 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:38.320 all the time, you know what I mean. But there's 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:40.720 times where I'm like, but it's got but it needs 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:43.120 to look a certain way. So until I could find 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:44.960 that hand that can do and we have some great hands, 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.200 but until I can find all the pieces to make 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:50.920 sure like that the quality quality controls everything, it's got 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:53.400 to go out looking perfect every time, you know. So 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.000 that's you know, so yeah, there's a fear of like 1:37:56.720 --> 1:37:59.559 we step away, who's gonna if you did? 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:01.200 Right now? I'm sorry ahead, So. 1:38:01.240 --> 1:38:05.000 That's another kind of like a problem for expansion because 1:38:05.040 --> 1:38:07.680 we want to expand you know, we are expanding, we 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:09.080 get whether we want or not. 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:11.720 But the problem is sometimes. 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.840 We're so overwhelmed with so much you know, work, that 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:17.600 it's kind of we try to find, you know, like 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:21.040 he says, the hands. But it's very difficult, you know, 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:26.400 to to to find that person that's gonna you know, 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:29.680 get it or or it's in stay you know and 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:31.960 like it obviously, because you kind of have to, like 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:34.000 you know what you're doing. 1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:35.679 Yeah, and you can't. 1:38:35.840 --> 1:38:38.160 You can't just tell them to go watch a couple 1:38:38.200 --> 1:38:41.320 of YouTube videos to learn no, some techniques. 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:44.240 Yeah, I mean it helps if they watch a video, 1:38:44.280 --> 1:38:46.200 but it's all it's all handsome. 1:38:45.920 --> 1:38:46.720 Very specialized. 1:38:47.360 --> 1:38:50.479 Where where do you look, like, I bet you'll get 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:53.479 from coming on here. You'll get resumes from people do 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:56.000 but you probably get resumes all the time. And but 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:57.840 but if you had to go look like if you 1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:00.920 had to find a higher I mean, I would assume 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:04.240 you're going to look in the traditional tax Deurmy pathway, right. 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:07.360 Yeah, Joe, I think, Yeah, I mean Joseph was a 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:09.080 great hire. He just came in out he was moving 1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:13.760 from Arkansas to California, and he walked in one day 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:17.880 with a photograph of all his mounts. Good guy, straight up, 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:20.000 stand up dude, and he just he's like look, check 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:21.599 it out. Just moving out here. I'm gonna be out 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:23.080 here soon. I think he was sad and he wanted 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:25.320 to be a pastor. And now he's in a I 1:39:25.320 --> 1:39:27.400 hope he's a pastor in Iah. So he was there, 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:28.960 He's talking me, I'm gonna be here for four years 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:31.000 if it's okay with you. Here, here are my mounts. 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.640 He was phenomenal, so talented. 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:36.519 Great four years out of Arkansas. 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:38.679 At Arkansas, stayed in Los Angeles, went to the Master 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:41.920 Seminary or whatever it was, and then put in great work. 1:39:42.000 --> 1:39:43.599 And then we kind of taught him the studio side 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:45.600 of it because he was he was more from the 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:48.120 traditional tax tomy side of it. So it was like, 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:50.639 but we got to rush this, you know what I mean, 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.599 Like these are all you know, we do little tricks 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:54.280 to kind of skip a lot of you know, because 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:56.439 sometimes you gotta cut corners to make things happen for 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:58.679 film that you wouldn't do with like a Honting mount. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:39:59.240 Because of the deadline. 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:00.720 Yeah. 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:02.719 So, but he was great, you know, but it's difficult 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:05.960 to come across people like that who have that talent, 1:40:06.439 --> 1:40:09.200 natural skill, integrity, interineity. Just you don't even have to 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:10.920 you just turn over and he's already doing the right thing. 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:14.400 And there probably aren't that many people coming from taxidermy 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:16.320 school that are like Hollywood. 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:18.800 Right, that's where Yeah, that's the other thing is, you know, 1:40:19.280 --> 1:40:21.400 I'm sure there's a lot of at least in our world, 1:40:21.560 --> 1:40:24.600 a lot of guys that are into taxi ermy, you know, 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:27.439 are want to want to live in rural areas because 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:29.680 they like to hunt. Frank that's where a lot of 1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:32.559 their clients are because they're doing hunting moons, you know, 1:40:32.720 --> 1:40:34.479 like like their bread and butter is white tailed. Do 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:35.720 your shoulder mounts. 1:40:35.479 --> 1:40:38.680 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, well 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:41.760 we'll get our mounts, but we get a lot out 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:43.720 of state. You know, people still ring stuff in a 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:47.120 like Colorado, New Mexico Brooks. Yeah, but just you know, 1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:50.360 all around California, we'll get some. It was a bit 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:53.920 decent last year just because there was good rainfall, so 1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:55.880 it was a little bit better. But it's just a 1:40:55.920 --> 1:40:57.120 little four keys for the most part. 1:40:57.120 --> 1:41:00.120 You're not gonna but you'll do you'll do those too, yeah. 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:02.360 Y yeah, yeah, yeah as well. 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:07.400 Yeah, huh, how many hours you work a week depends well. 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:10.400 Surprisingly it's pretty pretty normal schedule. 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:13.479 You know. It's well, only when we have a certain 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:16.439 project that is due and it's it's it's going to 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:19.480 require you know, weekend or maybe. 1:41:19.320 --> 1:41:20.320 Long days nights. 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:25.439 It happens, but we try to keep it as normal 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:25.960 as we can. 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.040 Yeah, our hours are pretty much NIGHTE to form and Friday, 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:32.400 which are short hours. But if there's a big project 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:35.760 that comes in, if it's worth it to stay, it's 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:38.320 worth it to stay. 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:40.240 And it's really never. 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:42.360 A night to four, you know, we say four, but 1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:45.680 you're still there after, be there at five thirty, you know. 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:49.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're still able to keep some 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:52.360 normal Yeah, with all that movie work, you're still to 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:53.240 keep a normal life. 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:54.320 Yeah we tried. 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:56.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:41:56.960 --> 1:41:59.479 All right, man, what am I forgetting to ask you 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:02.519 about you SHO would have asked you about trying to think. 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:07.439 Freeze round fish? Now we don't know the fish. 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:10.400 That fish, no fish, I thank you pretty much. 1:42:10.400 --> 1:42:13.360 Got it. 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:20.520 Has won't touch fish either. Yeah, stuck on that. 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:22.240 You know, they just you know what. 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:23.800 He's got, what he you know, what he does, he's 1:42:23.800 --> 1:42:25.479 got what he does that he likes doing. And I 1:42:25.479 --> 1:42:27.719 think he was telling us. I think he was saying 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:31.479 he's not a fish man and fish text him is 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.160 weird now because there's no part of the fish. 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:34.519 Yeah, I mean. 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:37.280 It's just like like you could there's there's no part 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:37.759 of the fish. 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:38.479 Now. 1:42:38.479 --> 1:42:42.559 We have this guy, Robert, he was Roberts fish Mounts 1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:45.760 for years. I think he retired now, but we bought 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:49.799 his whole old collection. So we have like a thousand molds. 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:50.919 I mean you're talking about. 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:51.960 Keeping all this stuff. 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:54.680 Yeah, we have a little warehouse up north, I mean 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:58.200 outside of the super expensive area, sway up north out 1:42:58.240 --> 1:43:03.360 of Los Angeles, and there's a sixteen foot whale mold. Yeah, 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:07.479 like shark molds, you know, shark molds, I mean leather 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:08.479 bag turtle like. 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:08.800 Yeah. 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:10.920 Does she just walk into your warehouse? No? Non, just 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:13.200 dig around looking for something you swear must be in there. 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:15.400 Oh yeah, we have them all marks. So everything's long. 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:18.000 So everything it's kind of a twelve is. 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:19.640 Going to be silicone. 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:23.320 Whatever the salmon you know section you know, so it's 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:24.680 that's all marked up. 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:29.599 One question I had earlier was what is your store 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:33.880 look like? Is it in like in an industrial park? 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:37.240 Is it on a street that people walk up and down? 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:40.320 Like where's the I'm just trying to picture in Hollywood. 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:43.799 The text dermy shop, like do you get foot traffic? 1:43:43.960 --> 1:43:46.599 Do you? So it's kind of it's kind of are 1:43:46.640 --> 1:43:51.000 next to you. It's kinda mostly industrial area, but then 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:55.439 we have a pathway for bikes and people walk there 1:43:55.520 --> 1:44:00.519 to right in front of the shop. So yeah, some people. 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:03.360 Sometimes we have the you know, the roll up door open. 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:05.559 They could see from across the street and they just 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:09.799 look and come in like spars you know, their attention, 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:11.960 you know, so they like just walk in and check 1:44:12.000 --> 1:44:15.040 it out. So we do get some foot foot traffic. 1:44:15.840 --> 1:44:18.519 People don't really walk out on the on the sidewalk, 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:21.400 right there's really nobody walking on the sidewalk, but they 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:25.160 have that pathway to walk, so that's where they. 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:28.080 Yes, And there's a we're. 1:44:27.920 --> 1:44:31.600 Next to a city yard, La city yard, you know, 1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:34.440 one of those big yards where they keep the trucks. 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:37.439 And and and then some other studios right there. 1:44:37.479 --> 1:44:39.400 Yeah, there's there's a lot of studios kind of around there. 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:41.519 It is kind of like an artsy somewhit artsy area, 1:44:41.520 --> 1:44:42.320 but it's not in the business. 1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:43.200 It's not like in Hollywood. 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.000 It's Northalk, so you have a little bit more open 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:49.320 in the more industrial space. And then and my buddy's 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:52.080 next door mary door gym, So it is like it's 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:54.599 like an m M A gym, which is easy because 1:44:54.640 --> 1:44:56.280 then I can go from here and I can go 1:44:56.600 --> 1:44:57.120 work out there. 1:44:57.920 --> 1:44:59.840 Absolutely, dude, I get over there every couple of years 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:01.080 on to come in and say, yeah. 1:45:00.920 --> 1:45:03.519 Man, I would love to come check it out. 1:45:03.920 --> 1:45:05.120 We should have done this there. 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:06.960 Yeah, we thought. 1:45:07.000 --> 1:45:09.080 We know, we kicked around trying to come to your place, 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:12.280 but just like scheduling was kind of hard, just a 1:45:12.280 --> 1:45:15.120 lot of a lot of we' said, a lot of 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:17.360 travel this summer and stuff going on, but our original 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:19.040 intension was to record in your place. 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:20.759 Well, next time. 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:23.040 We're there, we'll just we'll tack it on to a 1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:25.400 schedule and we'll do another episode. 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:29.000 Absolutely, yeah, that'd be great. We'll come out there and 1:45:29.040 --> 1:45:31.960 do a thirty minutes. Yeah, man, I'll tell you though, 1:45:33.920 --> 1:45:39.960 I can't bring it up enough. That dog is unbelievable, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, 1:45:40.000 --> 1:45:42.439 that's cool. It's a really nice I mean, like I said, 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:44.840 you guys are good sports about having some you know, 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:47.120 about having a couple of laughs. The Holy ship Man. 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:51.200 The dog speaks for itself that's why it's it's incredible looking. 1:45:52.360 --> 1:45:56.320 Yeah, We've had a lot of strange objects and things 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:59.160 passed through the studio, and this is like there's like 1:45:59.200 --> 1:45:59.880 a power to that. 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:02.400 Yeah, dog, I wish you could leave that dog here, 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:05.439 but probably not a good idea. 1:46:05.920 --> 1:46:07.160 It could work something out. 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:09.679 Rental. 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:13.040 Oh do you guys have uh do you guys have 1:46:14.000 --> 1:46:16.000 cats and dogs in your rental area? 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:16.599 Yeah? 1:46:16.800 --> 1:46:20.479 Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Sometimes they'll down and hide or whatever 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:21.280 it is if they just. 1:46:21.920 --> 1:46:24.760 Yeah, the neighbors. You know, I got a neighbor's cat 1:46:24.840 --> 1:46:28.280 that you know, died and he said, you know, take it. 1:46:29.600 --> 1:46:32.080 Maybe I'll see it in a movie some someway, you know. 1:46:32.160 --> 1:46:34.640 Sometimes perfect it. 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:35.400 Yeah. 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:37.080 Do you guys ever grab stuff from the side of 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:38.200 the road that looks interesting? 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:38.839 Uh? 1:46:39.040 --> 1:46:44.479 No, No, but usually it's it's really uh beat up, 1:46:44.520 --> 1:46:47.679 you know, it's like run over and it's guts everywhere, 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:49.280 So it's not Yeah. 1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:53.599 You just go to those inspiration movie work exactly. 1:46:53.640 --> 1:46:58.720 Photographing. Yeah, that's gonna be this. It's actually I think 1:46:58.720 --> 1:46:59.880 it's illegal in California. 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:02.360 It is, well, I don't know, because a lot of 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:05.120 states have been making it that you can there's been 1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:09.080 an odd trend there's there's two trends that sort of 1:47:09.120 --> 1:47:14.200 surprise me and cultural hunting. Cult hunting, culture trends, that's 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:17.479 not the right word, hunting legal trends. One trend is 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:21.800 to let kids hunt younger and younger and younger. Right, 1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:26.599 that seems that seems like counter than what would actually happen. 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:28.080 You could picture that they would make it that they 1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:29.680 had to be older and older and older, like make 1:47:29.720 --> 1:47:33.519 it more strict. But there's a tendency that let kids 1:47:33.600 --> 1:47:36.160 to let it be a family decision. There's also a 1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:44.200 surprising tendency to loosen roadkill salvage laws rather than make 1:47:44.240 --> 1:47:47.600 them more strict. Interesting, you know what I'm saying, Like 1:47:47.640 --> 1:47:50.360 if you if you said to someone who didn't follow this, like, 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:53.320 do you imagine over the years it became more strict 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:55.840 or less strict to pick up roadkill? They would go 1:47:56.080 --> 1:48:01.480 absolutely more strict because everything's more strict. Sure always Yeah, 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:03.599 so they like like our state where we're at right now, 1:48:04.880 --> 1:48:06.760 used to I mean I would do it anyways. My 1:48:06.800 --> 1:48:09.960 friends are doing it anyways as civil like civil disobedience. 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:12.679 I don't know what to bring up, like rolls of parks, 1:48:13.160 --> 1:48:15.680 but like civil disobedience to like pick up deer and 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:19.920 eat them, because you'd be like guilty as charged like 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:22.240 a dead deer. The guy in front of. 1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:25.800 Me him, you know what's the problem with Thatways, now. 1:48:25.720 --> 1:48:29.200 You can right, yeah, we're our said, remember that whole area. 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:30.639 I don't know what it was a couple of years ago. 1:48:30.640 --> 1:48:33.080 It was like state after state Oregon. I think maybe 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:37.599 state after state after state said Okay, if someone hits 1:48:37.640 --> 1:48:39.080 it and you want to put it to use, you 1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:42.599 just got a call, and which makes total sense, makes sense. 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:44.679 I agree, because anybody, you think, anybody tries. 1:48:44.520 --> 1:48:47.000 To purposely truck it, that's what you know, what they 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:50.559 thought of here because here you have here, you have 1:48:52.640 --> 1:48:54.559 we have a lot of large like a lot of 1:48:54.680 --> 1:48:59.240 somewhat rare large mammals. And so there's some that are exempt, 1:49:01.080 --> 1:49:05.080 meaning like take like a big horn sheep, a bighorn sheep, 1:49:05.520 --> 1:49:07.519 like a big mature big horn sheep ram is going 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:09.920 to have a lot of value, would have a lot 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:14.320 of black market value. And so they're they're they're not 1:49:14.400 --> 1:49:17.920 part of the roadkill rule. It's just the more common stuff, 1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:23.960 dear elk moose, like you know, more sort of like 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:28.439 so you know, common animals, high food value, but they've 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:30.280 pulled out some of the stuff that they don't want 1:49:30.320 --> 1:49:32.880 to give people a reason to act like they got 1:49:32.920 --> 1:49:35.519 in their truck, meaning like, oh, I road killed a mountain. 1:49:35.560 --> 1:49:35.600 Go. 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:41.960 They're like, you road killed a mountain, go, So you 1:49:42.000 --> 1:49:44.640 can't there's no excuse to have certain animals. I think 1:49:44.960 --> 1:49:47.360 I'm guessing, but it's like they don't want to create 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:50.040 a pathway for you to have certain rare animals in 1:49:50.080 --> 1:49:52.960 your possession by claiming that whatever happened to them. There's 1:49:52.960 --> 1:49:56.160 probably some part of the thinking on it. The other 1:49:56.200 --> 1:49:58.680 part of it which is interesting here. I'm not sure 1:49:58.680 --> 1:50:01.120 if it's true in other states. Take the whole thing. 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:04.439 You can't pick and choose. So our buddy Yanni, he 1:50:04.479 --> 1:50:09.400 had a road killed moose, big critter. You can't gut 1:50:09.400 --> 1:50:11.320 it on the side of the road like when you 1:50:11.360 --> 1:50:15.240 take it, you take it. So you got that whole 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:17.280 son of a bitch has to be loaded onto a trailer. 1:50:17.320 --> 1:50:19.760 You can't just go get the parts you want. You 1:50:19.800 --> 1:50:21.280 can't just get like the good meat and leave it 1:50:21.360 --> 1:50:25.200 laying there. They're like, nope, holding moose, which de incentivizes 1:50:25.240 --> 1:50:26.800 some you know, you got to go get a flat 1:50:26.800 --> 1:50:27.400 bed trailer. 1:50:27.600 --> 1:50:29.559 Yeah, and a lot of help. 1:50:29.600 --> 1:50:29.800 You know. 1:50:30.400 --> 1:50:32.880 Yeah, they make it a little bit hard, but picture 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:34.640 if not, you just jump out of your truck and 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:39.560 pull the gourmet cuts and then you get like a 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:46.080 butcher moose on the side of the Yeah, that'd make 1:50:46.120 --> 1:50:48.880 for an interesting drive. You know, you're like watching dudes 1:50:48.920 --> 1:50:52.360 on the side of the road, watching dudes on the 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:52.880 side of the road. 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:54.320 Do that road chefs. 1:50:54.640 --> 1:50:57.519 Yeah, well, man, I'm glad you guys came. Man, it's 1:50:57.520 --> 1:50:58.040 a lot of fun. 1:50:58.680 --> 1:50:59.360 Respect for all that. 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:03.120 It's such a cool business, so unique appreciate it. How 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:05.439 often do TV shows call you guys wanted to do 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:07.040 like a reality show about your shop? 1:51:07.360 --> 1:51:07.880 All the time? 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:09.040 Yeah, what do you say? 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:09.160 No? 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:10.719 Yeah? 1:51:10.880 --> 1:51:15.400 At the point, yeah, they just finish each other's thought there. 1:51:15.720 --> 1:51:18.920 Oh yeah, good job, there was no you finished. 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:20.040 She was right. 1:51:21.040 --> 1:51:23.040 So you get calls and they're like, hey, we want 1:51:23.040 --> 1:51:26.400 to do a reality show and blah blah blah, people 1:51:26.439 --> 1:51:27.639 crying about their pets. 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:30.120 Yeah, just about the shop and the whole thing. 1:51:30.160 --> 1:51:32.559 And it's just the reality world is a is a 1:51:32.600 --> 1:51:35.920 wild world where they just infiltrate on your personal life 1:51:36.000 --> 1:51:38.439 so much. And I like to keep my personal life personal. 1:51:39.560 --> 1:51:42.080 Yeah, And also I think it'll inhibit a lot of 1:51:42.120 --> 1:51:44.200 our you know, every day. 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:46.080 You think. 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:50.120 For sure it would. 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:54.799 Kind of slow down our you know, production or process everything. 1:51:54.840 --> 1:51:59.040 So and then trade secrets like it's been. The shop 1:51:59.080 --> 1:52:00.880 has been around since nineteenth too. There's a lot of 1:52:00.880 --> 1:52:04.400 stuff that stays within those walls. So I don't want 1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:06.640 to be the guy that exposes everything after over one 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:08.880 hundred years of the company. But hey, guys, I want 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:10.680 to make a little bit of money and show my 1:52:10.760 --> 1:52:14.200 face off so that, you know, and ruin the whole business. 1:52:14.280 --> 1:52:15.200 You know, it's bigger than. 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:18.120 Us on the pet side of things. It's so sensitive 1:52:18.280 --> 1:52:20.559 it is. It's like if you had a funeral home 1:52:20.640 --> 1:52:21.559 and something approach to. 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:28.240 The other funeral home would probably get stricking a lot 1:52:28.240 --> 1:52:28.919 more clients. 1:52:29.160 --> 1:52:32.559 Yeah, you go get waivers for everybody. Yeah, you know, 1:52:32.640 --> 1:52:35.080 your your uncle's part of a reality TV show. Can 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:38.599 you shine your camera crew just sitting there for the paper. 1:52:38.640 --> 1:52:42.200 It's just yeah, yeah, I could totally picture it. I'm 1:52:42.200 --> 1:52:44.519 not at all shocked that you guys get That's got 1:52:44.520 --> 1:52:47.160 to be half your phone calls as people wanted to picture. 1:52:47.400 --> 1:52:47.599 Yeah. 1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:51.559 Yeah, well thanks for coming in again, man, I love it. 1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:52.719 We're gonna come visit your shop. 1:52:52.920 --> 1:52:53.440 Absolutely. 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:55.040 Yeah, I appreciate it anytime. 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:56.320 Thank you, Krim. 1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:57.680 Yeah, we appreciate you. 1:52:58.360 --> 1:53:00.599 I mean, Krim books, all the guests, but this one, this. 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:02.920 One was, this was it wasn't my idea. I didn't 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:04.679 see that article first. That was Berkman. 1:53:05.160 --> 1:53:08.200 This is I'm really glad it happened. 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:09.120 Trophy guests. 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:11.400 That's the way to the trophy. 1:53:12.000 --> 1:53:12.960 Yeah. 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:15.120 And shouldn't you ever wind up with a cat or 1:53:15.160 --> 1:53:17.040 dog that doesn't have a home, we would be happy 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:18.120 to take it off your hands. 1:53:19.920 --> 1:53:20.880 I'll send you something. 1:53:23.680 --> 1:53:25.679 And I think maybe are you gonna send your dog 1:53:25.760 --> 1:53:30.840 down when it passes? I mean, I would be cool, 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:33.400 but I don't know. You got a couple of years 1:53:33.400 --> 1:53:33.920 to figure it out. 1:53:35.200 --> 1:53:36.920 Yeah, I got a couple of years figured out hopefully. 1:53:37.520 --> 1:53:37.880 All right. 1:53:37.880 --> 1:53:40.320 Man, Uh, if you get a box from Seth, keep 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:45.479 it cold, all right. Thank you, Thank you,