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Speaker 1: these days about the death of late night television. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably don't know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going with it, but I've
Speaker 2: been paying attention to the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Someone even said it's a it's a by the
Speaker 1: Colbert losing his show as a it's bad for the
Speaker 1: it's against the constitution. You aware of this.
Speaker 3: I was not aware of that.
Speaker 1: I read it today. But uh, I'm going somewhere with
Speaker 1: this real quick. But I mean, the dude makes you know,
Speaker 1: he makes twenty million a year, twenty million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: and the show loses forty million dollars a year. The
Speaker 1: reason I bring this up is, you know, and those
Speaker 1: kind of shows their eyes go great show for you tonight,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Are you going to start doing that?
Speaker 1: No, because they're not. They're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: do it for long.
Speaker 4: Someone's got to carry got to.
Speaker 1: Say it show today, ladies and gentlemen. Good thing we
Speaker 1: recorded in the morning. That's what I said today.
Speaker 2: We should just try to have this air late night
Speaker 2: and you can be the new late night shtick thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah or yeah, or we do like a deal where
Speaker 1: we do some analytics and find out when people mostly
Speaker 1: listen to the show and just cater to that group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ten am we do a traffic report.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to steal the late night group.
Speaker 1: Wait till we get a band in here. I mean
Speaker 1: one of those late night shows had their budget. They
Speaker 1: had to get rid of their.
Speaker 2: Talented individuals like I've seen Phil on all kinds of instruments.
Speaker 3: For the kids, flute, who plays the drums in here?
Speaker 3: You can bang on drums now.
Speaker 1: And then I got to get a suit and time
Speaker 1: because those guys, for some weird ass reason, wear suits
Speaker 1: and ties. I'll never understand nighttime guys. Nighttime show guys
Speaker 1: were a suit and tie. Sports guys wear suit and ties.
Speaker 1: Which seems why are not just like you're doing sports?
Speaker 2: What's that we could have first, like make you a
Speaker 2: special suit for the show?
Speaker 1: Great show for you this morning, ladies and gentlemen. We
Speaker 1: have on this is great, This is like, this is
Speaker 1: this is mega producing on Krin's Park. To bring this
Speaker 1: whole thing together, we have on the co owners of
Speaker 1: pardon me, Bishoffs, Yeah, the co owners of Bischoff's The
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom, a tax dermy shop in Hollywood, California, Ace
Speaker 1: and Ray. Okay, the shop here, I'm this is Krin's intro.
Speaker 1: It's great. The shop is three hundred years old this.
Speaker 3: Year, one hundred and three.
Speaker 1: What did I say? Yeah, history by that number, I've
Speaker 1: been married seventy one years.
Speaker 4: Goes back to Spanish California.
Speaker 1: I've been married seventy one years and uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen years old. Uh. The shop is one hundred
Speaker 1: and three years old this year. It's known for creating
Speaker 1: prop animals for movies and films, but more recently they
Speaker 1: become famous as the go to spot for pet owners
Speaker 1: who want to preserve dogs, cats, birds, you name it, guys.
Speaker 1: Now the reason one of the reasons you boys are here,
Speaker 1: Ason ray Is because we have a sort of this
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a problem here because we
Speaker 1: have a like official tax dermist, John Hayes from Hayes
Speaker 1: tax Dermy Studio. Don't you for a minute think.
Speaker 5: You're jump out.
Speaker 1: Don't you for a minute think you're here to steal
Speaker 1: John Hayes's thunder. But Karinn put it to John Hayes,
Speaker 1: do you do pets, to which John Hayes said, no, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into why, but he's he doesn't
Speaker 1: do pets, and so therefore we had to bring you
Speaker 1: Fellers in to fill our pet niche but also just
Speaker 1: a totally different world. But I just don't want you
Speaker 1: to start thinking that you're like, oh John Hayes.
Speaker 3: Now yeah, but like if you want, he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna get a hat that says he's gonna get it.
Speaker 1: Hayes tax Dermy hat says better than I mean, you
Speaker 1: did bring.
Speaker 5: A hot out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, something to do with John Hayes. Listen, I
Speaker 1: don't want to confuse. Yeah, we're gonna show him a
Speaker 1: bunch of Hayes texts Dremy work and say like, how
Speaker 1: could you improve upon it? So from we caught Wendy
Speaker 1: we caught wend of h we caught Wendy guys because
Speaker 1: you were recently. Uh, there was a recent article in
Speaker 1: the La Times which which uh caught our fancy. Here's
Speaker 1: a passage from the article. Ace Alexander, raise your hand.
Speaker 4: For those of you listening.
Speaker 1: The guy in the middle, who I like how they
Speaker 1: point out the article, who is forty years old? Are
Speaker 1: you still forty?
Speaker 5: I'm still forty?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And Ray Masius am I saying that? Rightsius? Who is
Speaker 1: fifty five?
Speaker 7: Can that one up?
Speaker 1: The four still fifty five? Okay? Good, that's show us
Speaker 1: how freshest article is right. The or the fourth owners
Speaker 1: in Bischoff's long history have steered the company to meet
Speaker 1: the new demand, meaning pet stuffing, well not stuffing. We'll
Speaker 1: cover details, describing each other as good friends. The two
Speaker 1: men dressed similarly. This is such like weird things that
Speaker 1: wouldn't cover. The two men dressed similarly. Okay. They like
Speaker 1: to wear black T shirts and black pants, which one
Speaker 1: of you is not doing. That checks out, though. Let
Speaker 1: me see your pants. We'll call your pants darkwashed. Why
Speaker 1: do they care about that?
Speaker 5: I have no idea.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if someone featured this place they'd say the same thing.
Speaker 8: It's a lot of guys between the ages of twenty
Speaker 8: five and forty five wearing tallive and tan colored clothing.
Speaker 9: It reads like a like a GQ feature, Like the
Speaker 9: first sentence is George Clooney takes a bite of his
Speaker 9: flying Yeah, we know who.
Speaker 1: They usually do that too in the media, and I
Speaker 1: guess it pisses women off. But like even women politicians,
Speaker 1: they're always as commentary about what they're wearing, always like
Speaker 1: what are they wearing? What are they wearing?
Speaker 3: So superficial, but.
Speaker 1: This being the La times, I guess it's important for
Speaker 1: them to point out that you guys wear you'd like
Speaker 1: to wear black clothes because that way the blood doesn't show. Probably,
Speaker 1: it says you guys are so in sync, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have ninety minutes to find out if this is true.
Speaker 1: The article says, you're so in sync you sometimes finish
Speaker 1: each other's thoughts.
Speaker 5: Damn okay.
Speaker 1: You start a thought, what are you thinking right now?
Speaker 1: You say right now, I'm saying right now, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 10: I think it's uh okay.
Speaker 1: And then tell what he's thinking.
Speaker 5: That's pretty well to be here.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're thinking about that right now. Since
Speaker 1: taking over the business, both have transitioned to primarily vegan diets.
Speaker 1: Is it like the ice cream person that doesn't eat
Speaker 1: ice cream anymore?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 11: No, no, See, for me, I just like eating I
Speaker 11: eat meat. I just eat clean meat. Be So it
Speaker 11: just means I like my grains and I like my meats.
Speaker 11: I don't.
Speaker 5: It's not, you know, sound like vegetables.
Speaker 11: I I eat healthy, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 11: to my standards of what everybody has around idea of
Speaker 11: what healthy is depending on what you read.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're just checking out the other time.
Speaker 2: Yea, was that inaccurate reporting because.
Speaker 1: Primarily you eat mostly vegetables.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he needs more towards the vegan die.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Sure, once in a while. Weekends, I you know, I
Speaker 10: eat whatever I want so, but during the week I
Speaker 10: kind of keep it, try to keep it as clean
Speaker 10: as possible and for.
Speaker 6: My own you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to tell you what to eat.
Speaker 4: No, of course, we're just fact checking.
Speaker 1: Bishoffs used to be the tax dermist to the stars
Speaker 1: in the trophy area, but now we're taxed dermis in
Speaker 1: the pet pet preservation area. Then you got to quote
Speaker 1: that I don't agree with, but it's probably true for
Speaker 1: your clientele. He says, people no longer hunt now they
Speaker 1: just love their pets, which I would mostly agree with.
Speaker 2: California, Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: So we asked them to come on and talk about
Speaker 1: their their unique the history of bishops and their unique niche.
Speaker 1: And assuming you guys are still in the movie business, Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna talk about all that like
Speaker 1: an aspect of tax deurmy that you're that our listeners
Speaker 1: are probably unaware of. But first in the news, Seth's
Speaker 1: wife in the news. No, okay, let me find what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about with Seth's wife. Everyone knows Sess's wife,
Speaker 1: should know. Sess's wife is a Kelsey Morris.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, does she have a name.
Speaker 1: Her name is Kel's Morris. If you need to know,
Speaker 1: where's my picture? So we're right now Randon and I
Speaker 1: are recording our third volume of me Eater's American History.
Speaker 1: We did The Long Hunters seventeen sixty three to seventeen
Speaker 1: seventy five, and that's about Daniel Boone and the deerskin trade.
Speaker 1: Then we did The Mountain Men, eighteen oh six to
Speaker 1: eighteen forty, which is about folks like Jim Bridger and
Speaker 1: the beaver skin trade. And now we're recording The Hide Hunters,
Speaker 1: which is about the buffalo skin trade, and that goes
Speaker 1: from eighteen sixty five, the close of the Civil War
Speaker 1: to eighteen eighty three, which was the last big kill.
Speaker 1: Kelsey Morris, the artist, has done all of our covers.
Speaker 1: She did a skull, she did it. We had for
Speaker 1: long Hunters, should be in here, somewhere, the original till
Speaker 1: I happened to it. Oh, it's in the kitchen. For
Speaker 1: the long Hunters, she did us a white tailed deer
Speaker 1: skull with a bullet hole punched in his head. For
Speaker 1: the mountain men, she did us a rocky mountain beaver trapper,
Speaker 1: a mountain man. Where's the where's the thing we had
Speaker 1: a minute ago that was showing you.
Speaker 4: In your email? It's an email from hunter.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the problem, he said it to me. I
Speaker 1: can't find it. Uh huh, must have deleted or something.
Speaker 1: Oh no, got it, got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 1: Where was I For.
Speaker 4: The listeners at home? There's now an image on Steve's computer.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna show it. To the camera if you
Speaker 1: give me a second.
Speaker 8: No, no, but I'm just I'm doing the thing for
Speaker 8: the people that are driving right now.
Speaker 1: Oh oh that's good. Yeah. For the mountain men, she
Speaker 1: did a rocky mountain, beaver trapper mountain. For the hide hunters.
Speaker 1: We did the thing that was most logical to us,
Speaker 1: because we want all the when there, when it's all
Speaker 1: said and done, it'll look like a collection. It looks
Speaker 1: like a collection. You'll you'll go on to eat apple
Speaker 1: books or whatever the hell, and you'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a thing like these all go together
Speaker 1: and they track through time. Well, we had her do
Speaker 1: a buffalo skull with bullet bullethole punched in his head,
Speaker 1: but that's not where the hide hunters shot him.
Speaker 4: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: So it's a factual problem. They didn't shoot him there.
Speaker 1: And we describe in great detail shot hide hunter shot placement,
Speaker 1: which includes some horrifying shot placement.
Speaker 4: Deliberate, deliberately horrified.
Speaker 1: What's it was an example, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: For the most part, they shot for the lights, meaning
Speaker 1: the lungs. However, we explained in great detail what a
Speaker 1: stand was like, how they manage their shooting. The objective
Speaker 1: was that you get forty to fifty of them in
Speaker 1: a pile. You didn't want them scattered all over hell
Speaker 1: because it's hard for the skinners. You'd want them in
Speaker 1: a pile. So they do a thing called a stand.
Speaker 1: When doing a stand, you had to be careful about
Speaker 1: the first one you hit. If you hit in the heart,
Speaker 1: it might run one hundred yards and that causes too
Speaker 1: much chaos. So they wanted to anchor them. No, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just it's terrible.
Speaker 4: They wanted them to wobble around.
Speaker 1: They wanted to, as they put it, make them sick.
Speaker 1: They shoot the wound, they would call it making them sick.
Speaker 1: So the first one or two they'd like to hit
Speaker 1: them right in front of the hips. Oh, Gutcha the
Speaker 1: only And we're teasing Reeve because Reeve has been engineering
Speaker 1: for us and the first woman that made it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a male heavy story, the story of
Speaker 1: the Hide Hunters. Imagine it tends to be for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: tends to be a lot of guys running around of
Speaker 1: the high Hunters. But we're laughing with Riva because the
Speaker 1: first woman that we quote, the first woman that we
Speaker 1: quote in the whole project is saying it was so
Speaker 1: fun to watch Daddy and the guys shoot. They would
Speaker 1: shoot and make them sick.
Speaker 8: It's like the most disturbing line of text in the
Speaker 8: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Then, so we're like, reave a perk right up when
Speaker 1: a woman came in. But that was immediately disappointed. So
Speaker 1: they but they rejected our They rejected the publisher not
Speaker 1: rejected like it's not a good word for it.
Speaker 4: They asked for alternatives.
Speaker 1: They didn't like the skull because it looked too much
Speaker 1: like the other skull.
Speaker 4: With the hole in it, which is fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then these kind of things you can
Speaker 1: pitch a fit, but you're burning uh what are you
Speaker 1: burning capital? Capital? Yeah, you're burning capital.
Speaker 4: Do you want to spend it on that or on
Speaker 4: something else that really?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or would you rather fight about if they come back
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, how come there's only one woman
Speaker 1: and she's crazy? Right, then you can then you can
Speaker 1: right fight about that. But so we don't want to
Speaker 1: fight about the cover, So seth we we're gonna settle
Speaker 1: up on the original picture. Yeah, so it's not a
Speaker 1: hit to your family finances. Good, That's what I like
Speaker 1: to hear. And now we're gonna do this. Where do
Speaker 1: I aim at? Phil?
Speaker 7: I just directly in front of you.
Speaker 1: Can that camera zoom in though it cannot?
Speaker 9: But if I don't know, if you can slack this
Speaker 9: to be random, I can put it on the screen
Speaker 9: on the TV.
Speaker 7: That's even worse.
Speaker 1: Maybe hold this over there, Maybe hold this over there.
Speaker 7: Now it's a it's going to be out of focus.
Speaker 9: All these cameras are on manual focus, so they if
Speaker 9: you hold it right up to the camera, it's gonna
Speaker 9: be fuzzy.
Speaker 1: How about that.
Speaker 7: I'll put it on on the TV and on the screen.
Speaker 1: That's one way to do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're surrounded by a bunch of barbarians, Phil, I'm sorry, Phil.
Speaker 1: That's good news. It's good news for Seth. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of bad news for Kelsey because she was explaining
Speaker 1: to me that she's a little bit in vacation mode
Speaker 1: right now. She is, but.
Speaker 12: She can really be in vacation mode when she's actually
Speaker 12: on vacation to Ben keep her busy.
Speaker 1: And we're working on that right now, right here in
Speaker 1: this all all damn day long. Here's a little tidbit
Speaker 1: that we're here's just one little tidbit from Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: one little tidbit from Hide Hunters. This is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite little tidbits, and it's just packed full of
Speaker 1: freakish stuff. There's a guy that there's a hide hunter
Speaker 1: what was his name? Shoots a shoots a buffalo, goes
Speaker 1: up to skin it or shoots it, and it stands
Speaker 1: up and goes to attack them.
Speaker 4: No, no, is it Kelly Shoot?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's Kelly shoot. Shoots boll by Fort Betton, Montana.
Speaker 1: Shoots a buffalo, realize it's not dead, gets his pistol
Speaker 1: out to try to finish it off. It stands up
Speaker 1: and comes at him. He's in such a hurry to
Speaker 1: get on his horse and get out of there that
Speaker 1: as he's jumping on his horse, accidentally shoots his horse
Speaker 1: in the neck. So now the wounded buffalo is chasing
Speaker 1: the wounded horse and they both die.
Speaker 4: And he walks away and Kelly walks away unscathed.
Speaker 7: Geez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of seventy thousand words of this stuff.
Speaker 4: Rough for a horse man a buffalo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy thousand words of this stuff, and it also
Speaker 1: explains a great detail, not just that, but sciencey stuff,
Speaker 1: a lot of sciencey stuff, like you never knew so
Speaker 1: much about mills, production, steam engines, industrial belting, history of
Speaker 1: guns as you will when you have this.
Speaker 7: Does this do you cover a bunch of different states?
Speaker 1: Where does this mostly take place? The main action we
Speaker 1: get into occurs. I mean it's all over because there's like,
Speaker 1: you know, one minute, you're out in New England because
Speaker 1: of hemlocks and tanning, like how tanning worked. But the
Speaker 1: main action Western Kansas, North Texas. Oh, really, eastern Montana,
Speaker 1: the real big like I would have thought, like the
Speaker 1: Dakota's now, No, I mean that's in there. It's real big. Shoot.
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, it's like eastern Montana bleeding into
Speaker 8: the western part of the Dakotas and northern Wyoming.
Speaker 4: But like the heart of it.
Speaker 8: Is along the train tracks, and I mean because it
Speaker 8: all falls the railroad.
Speaker 1: The way to think about it too is that like
Speaker 1: we begin to start the hide hunt. The big final
Speaker 1: hide hunt didn't kick in until the mid seventies, eighteen
Speaker 1: seventeen seventies, so at that point the population was kind
Speaker 1: of reduced down to these real core pieces of habitat,
Speaker 1: like the fringes. All the fringe was gone, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was just like you had
Speaker 1: these sort of like main population kind of like down
Speaker 1: like down the center of the Great Plains gotchah. By
Speaker 1: that point people thought of it. There was the Northern
Speaker 1: Herd and the Southern Herd, because all the transcontinental railroads
Speaker 1: and the Oregon Trail and stuff had kind of by
Speaker 1: that point cleared the middle out and pushed everything away.
Speaker 1: So people would talk about it distinctly like north of
Speaker 1: the Platte and south of the Platte. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: even in that era, there was the North Herd and
Speaker 1: the South Herd, and it was kind of that main
Speaker 1: those sort of like main population centers. And so the
Speaker 1: hide hunt occurs in two stages, like the Southern Herd,
Speaker 1: whose if you imagine, like the core of the Southern
Speaker 1: Herd would be the top of the Texas Panhandle, the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Panhandle and then up into Kansas. From there it
Speaker 1: was sort of like that's where you could still go
Speaker 1: and see a million animals. Oh really, yeah, like you
Speaker 1: could still go in lay eyes on a million animals
Speaker 1: in a group.
Speaker 7: And Northern Herd was smaller at that point, that's a
Speaker 7: good question.
Speaker 4: Probably I believe it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a little smaller. Yeah, but you could still
Speaker 1: go to Miles City, Montana and and maybe not look
Speaker 1: at a million, but look at a lot. Yeah, look
Speaker 1: at hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 8: I mean in the early eighteen eighties, they're they're killing
Speaker 8: hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of buffalo, here's the thing we've been to it
Speaker 1: working on. I'm guessing Phil can't see this. So our cookbooks,
Speaker 1: our wild game cookbooks, we always have jerky recipes in
Speaker 1: our wild game cookbooks were coming out with uh, buffalo jerky,
Speaker 1: bison jerky, whatever the hell you want to call it.
Speaker 1: We call it American buffalo. But then, just to this
Speaker 1: is the first thing we talk about in our hide
Speaker 1: Hunter series. The first thing we talk about is why
Speaker 1: the words bison and why the word's buffalo, and which
Speaker 1: one is right. I'm a buffalo man myself. Randall Ten's
Speaker 1: toward bison, but I've bullied him into being a buffalo man.
Speaker 1: I buffaloed him.
Speaker 4: It's better for storytelling.
Speaker 1: I buffaloed him into being a buffalo man. There's a
Speaker 1: whole long story here, Like there's the fashionable number. One
Speaker 1: time we had thirty two million, forty million buffalo in
Speaker 1: our country. Now we got a half million. Of those
Speaker 1: ninety four percent are privately owned. We don't get into
Speaker 1: this in our story really, but there's a part of this,
Speaker 1: like private producers, private ranchers save the animal from extinction,
Speaker 1: and today they're the ones that keep it like ecologically viable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: genetically viable and present on the landscape. Like when you're
Speaker 1: driving down the road and you see a buffalo, nine
Speaker 1: out of ten, it's because a guy owns it.
Speaker 4: It's livestock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is like I'd rather have. I'd rather
Speaker 1: have tons of wild ones. Politically, I believe in maneuvering
Speaker 1: for more wild ones on the landscape, Like we need
Speaker 1: to recover the species. But right now, it's its strength
Speaker 1: comes from its popularity as a game meet, right as
Speaker 1: a wild meat, a farm raised wild meat. So we're
Speaker 1: doing these jerky packs where we take the recipes from
Speaker 1: our cookbooks and cook them into American buffalo jerky. A
Speaker 1: lot of buffalo stuff going on right now around here.
Speaker 1: You guys have stuff with buffalo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, when's that available? Oh, we're teasing it.
Speaker 1: August eleven, twenty twenty five. I'll be fighting a big o'
Speaker 1: hallib it that day. August eleven, twenty twenty five is
Speaker 1: a launch date. We're just launching in classic pepper more
Speaker 1: flavors to come.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned at a new site meet it or snacks
Speaker 2: dot com, Meet.
Speaker 1: It snacks dot com. Now is this is the is
Speaker 1: the next thing? Are we just into the show? Now?
Speaker 3: Yes? We can skip the stolen valor stuff.
Speaker 1: If you talk about it's we're talking about see because
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys occupy it like a unique niche
Speaker 1: and tax dermy. But we were talking about a guy
Speaker 1: saying like, like, at what point is taxidermy stolen valor?
Speaker 1: Meaning like if you if you hunt deer and you
Speaker 1: have a hunting cabin and you go buy a giant buck,
Speaker 1: a giant stuffed buck and put it in the tax
Speaker 1: in your cabin to a way that people visiting your
Speaker 1: cabin might logically be like, he got that buck, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you didn't you bought it? Is that stolen valor?
Speaker 1: And so we're trying to weigh out like how this
Speaker 1: whole thing works. But you you don't need to weigh
Speaker 1: in on that, because I don't want you to alienate
Speaker 1: your clientele.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, I mean it feels it just depends.
Speaker 11: If they actually hunt and then they go purchase, they
Speaker 11: go purchase something huge from us, then it seems a
Speaker 11: little bit like stolen that. But if they're just like
Speaker 11: stylists or house decorators, yes, for people who just you know,
Speaker 11: they're not in the hunting world, then it might not
Speaker 11: be stole that.
Speaker 1: That's where we landed. That's where I landed. I landed.
Speaker 1: Is like, are you using it in the way that
Speaker 1: could be deceptive?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's one thing? Yeah, right?
Speaker 4: Or is it?
Speaker 8: I mean I think like if it's if it's someone
Speaker 8: you know, if it's like a friend's animal or something like,
Speaker 8: you have a sentimental connection to it, like it has
Speaker 8: meaning to you.
Speaker 1: Other than I just took possession of all my dad's
Speaker 1: texts for me, well four pieces.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got a buddies I've got a buddy's fish
Speaker 8: in my garage that's stolen valor.
Speaker 1: Your dad, like everybodys good passed away. I'm sorry, my condolences.
Speaker 1: What kind of fish? Is it? Huge?
Speaker 4: It's a big it's a giant snook.
Speaker 6: Dad?
Speaker 1: Actually is there?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: If no, no, no, if I walked into your garage
Speaker 1: and you weren't home, what I think holy ship, Randa
Speaker 1: caught a big what was it?
Speaker 4: Snook?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's stolen valor, but I didn't catch.
Speaker 8: If I'm not home though, if you're in my garage
Speaker 8: when I'm not home, but stole ship.
Speaker 1: I didn't know Randall was a snook fisherman.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess. I guess in the absence of any context,
Speaker 8: you could jump to that conclusion. But most people walk
Speaker 8: in they say, oh, that that's a like, where'd you
Speaker 8: get that?
Speaker 4: That's a big snook? And I'll go it's it was
Speaker 4: my buddies.
Speaker 2: Does it look old like it's it's a it's not
Speaker 2: a partritional it's the original.
Speaker 12: I think, like if there's been multiple times where you
Speaker 12: have given stuff away after a trip, like I always
Speaker 12: regret it, Like you're your bear from the spring you
Speaker 12: gave I think he gave the chili.
Speaker 1: The skull, Yeah, I gave.
Speaker 4: I give him my shoulder mount to Chili.
Speaker 12: And Jili is going to office boil that up and
Speaker 12: put it on a shelf and be like, that's from
Speaker 12: the hunt I was on with Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve got that or else it stolen ballant.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that is just like he's gonna display
Speaker 12: that as.
Speaker 1: That man was so small that he stolen embarrassment. I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna bring it up. But you want to claim that,
Speaker 1: you can go ahead.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 8: The funny thing about that snook, too, is when I
Speaker 8: walked into my buddy's office one time and I was like,
Speaker 8: holy shit, that's a big snook.
Speaker 4: Where'd you get that?
Speaker 8: And he goes, oh, he spread this out because my
Speaker 8: dad caught it, and then I got it when he died.
Speaker 8: And now I have that fish and I do the
Speaker 8: same thing all the way.
Speaker 1: Oh, here's a tax to me question. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: this I got this bear well over twenty years ago.
Speaker 7: Did you shoot all them holes in there?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: I only shot him one time? It was actually maybe
Speaker 1: that's no, no, no, no, this has been This has been
Speaker 1: employed as a half dozen Halloween costumes. I mean, this
Speaker 1: has been through heavy is this? Uh? Here's the thing
Speaker 1: I worry about. There's nothing you can do to save
Speaker 1: this now?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Or how would you save it?
Speaker 7: For the audio listeners? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry? Sorry? Phil. Up until this point it looks
Speaker 1: like a polar bear, but it's a black bear and
Speaker 1: I and it's it's sun bleached. I keep I keep
Speaker 1: it out. We have at like an outdoor patio that's
Speaker 1: kind of covered, and I keep it over the couch.
Speaker 1: And so over the years it bleached to like a
Speaker 1: polar bear. It's my favorite thing. Really not my favorite thing,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite, uh specimens. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: gotten wiry. It's it needs a good shampoo.
Speaker 4: So I was saying, among other things, yes, uh.
Speaker 1: I want to give it a good shampooing. But I'm
Speaker 1: afraid if it gets wet, it's just gonna fall apart.
Speaker 11: It's gonna get stiff and fall apart on you. You agree, yeah.
Speaker 1: You can? What could I do? What could I? Is
Speaker 1: there anything I could do?
Speaker 5: You could oil it?
Speaker 1: I did, maybe maybe a little longer than what would
Speaker 1: you put on there in your professional opinion.
Speaker 11: You know, even Mackenzie oils is you know, there's plenty
Speaker 11: of tacks from your companies that have oils. Just a
Speaker 11: leather oil, baseball glove oil, you know, any kind of
Speaker 11: old to just kind of seep into there a little bit,
Speaker 11: brush it on and then honestly ad lay a mesh
Speaker 11: and then latex it just because you see these tears
Speaker 11: over time you wear that thing, you pull it together.
Speaker 11: You need something to hold it together. Otherwise it's gonna
Speaker 11: it's gonna end up breaking on you eventually.
Speaker 1: So if I shampoo it, I'm screwed.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, it's gonna be stiff as a rock. I
Speaker 11: mean it's it's yeah, you can't because you're rehydrating it.
Speaker 11: So unless you're gonna mount it, no, it's it's gonna
Speaker 11: inania meant it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say fundamental value.
Speaker 5: I could latex it, well, you'd have to.
Speaker 11: You'd have to lay like a little layer of mesh
Speaker 11: over it with adhesive, like flexible adhesive, got it, because
Speaker 11: that'll create a bomb pretty much. It'll be like a
Speaker 11: skin on the skin, just kind of holding it. So
Speaker 11: if you're going to tear this, that holds it together,
Speaker 11: and then you can like to latex over that or
Speaker 11: back it with something else, whether it's felt.
Speaker 6: Like a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, flexible.
Speaker 1: Do people ever bring you stuff like this in your
Speaker 1: shop all the time? Do you turn them away?
Speaker 7: Usually?
Speaker 10: If it's like most of the time, we we really
Speaker 10: it's not because we don't want this, because we're so
Speaker 10: basic with all other things that you know, we don't
Speaker 10: really have the time.
Speaker 6: And then our guy like he mentioned.
Speaker 1: He passed, or your rug guy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's like, unfortunately we haven't found anyone yet, you know,
Speaker 10: so we we mostly.
Speaker 6: Turn them away.
Speaker 1: So if I came in and I was like, please
Speaker 1: you turn me away?
Speaker 4: How much capital you have?
Speaker 11: It sounds but then it just it pulls us away
Speaker 11: from bigger, more important projects, sometimes more important.
Speaker 4: This looks like, this looks like a passion project. Does
Speaker 4: it looks like.
Speaker 1: I wasn't planning on getting this out. But and when
Speaker 1: you guys came in, we got to talking about just
Speaker 1: obviously you taxed there. I mean, it brought to my
Speaker 1: my main problem in life right now. But I'm going
Speaker 1: to pursue. You might think it's crazy because it's probably
Speaker 1: like a lot of money for what I'm sitting here with,
Speaker 1: But I'm going to pursue this mesh adhesive solution. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: what am I looking at? How much? How much money
Speaker 1: am I looking at to fix that up?
Speaker 5: I mean it's not it's just time, honestly. I mean
Speaker 5: for US.
Speaker 1: Four fifty oh oh, it's worth to me. It's my
Speaker 1: first pair, first pair. Yeah, how you wouldn't guess it
Speaker 1: from looking at it. It was a huge bear. I couldn't
Speaker 1: roll that sucker over.
Speaker 4: Should have seen this thing when it started.
Speaker 1: So did you guys go to taxi army school? How'd
Speaker 1: you how'd you you know?
Speaker 5: How do you get in just the old timers at Bishops? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you started out working there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 11: So it was old an Larry, it was like my mentor,
Speaker 11: and he was part of the some of the original Bishops.
Speaker 11: He was there maybe the forties fifties, and he's passed on.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I just came in and I was doing
Speaker 11: just music before that, and I friend of mine I
Speaker 11: was like, hey, Gary's going out of town blah blah blah.
Speaker 11: He watched the shop and then I met Larry and
Speaker 11: he was mounting a crow in the back and he's like.
Speaker 5: Hey, grumb here, yeah, show him out a crow. And
Speaker 5: I was like, it's kind of.
Speaker 11: This is kind of interesting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 11: And it just kind of went from there.
Speaker 1: But you were working there though, I was.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I've been working there for like yeah, yeah, four
Speaker 11: or five months, and then Larry came in and then
Speaker 11: it just it's just you know, I started picking things
Speaker 11: up working there, and it all started coming together.
Speaker 1: H ray, what about you?
Speaker 10: Well, a little bit later on, he mentioned that Gary
Speaker 10: wanted to retire and they wanted to sell out, so
Speaker 10: we just jokingly said, well, let's jump in, let's buy it,
Speaker 10: you know, because he knew the numbers, he was running
Speaker 10: the shop.
Speaker 1: So oh, but how long had you been there at
Speaker 1: that point?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: I hadn't.
Speaker 10: I had just been there once or twice to.
Speaker 1: So you guys were buddies. Yeah, what how were you guys? Buddies? Well?
Speaker 10: We met through music.
Speaker 5: What kind of music? Just rock?
Speaker 1: Like you guys like to play?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, we had different projects and then he had some
Speaker 11: songs and then I was gonna do some vocals on
Speaker 11: the songs. And then just through the years we became friends.
Speaker 11: And I think for whatever reason, we were driving by
Speaker 11: the shop one day and I was just like, dude,
Speaker 11: you got to check out the shop, and then he
Speaker 11: checked it. I was like like, wow, this is impressive.
Speaker 11: It's like a natural history museum that you can be
Speaker 11: up close with.
Speaker 1: But you didn't know anything about tax dermy.
Speaker 10: I mean, I knew about it, but I really, you know,
Speaker 10: it never crossed my mind like to you know, get
Speaker 10: into it. Oh my god, you know, like I want
Speaker 10: to learn or anything like that. I just thought it
Speaker 10: was so cool, like to see the specimen, you know,
Speaker 10: all these pieces out there and beautiful and uh it's
Speaker 10: like he said, like stepping into a museum.
Speaker 6: So it was, you know, just so impressive.
Speaker 10: But uh, I never really thought about how is it done,
Speaker 10: you know, why is it done? Or ah, to really
Speaker 10: go deep into it until he mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 10: they wanted to retire and he said the numbers look good.
Speaker 1: So oh so he says to you, yeah, you're aware
Speaker 1: that tax deurmy is a thing, right, and you're like
Speaker 1: looking at it, and then A says, do you want
Speaker 1: to buy a text to what? You're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 10: Let's jump on it.
Speaker 6: You know a.
Speaker 8: Classic, it's the classic rock music to textrmy pipe.
Speaker 10: Slippers Love.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So you know, we just jumped in and we got
Speaker 10: into it and uh, just roll with the punches, you know.
Speaker 10: So one time we were about to close the deal,
Speaker 10: right and he said, hey, I'm staying late because you
Speaker 10: know I wasn't really there yet. I'm staying late. I'm
Speaker 10: skinning a coyote and I said, hold on, I'm going
Speaker 10: there and let me do it. So I got just
Speaker 10: show up in the evening and started skinning a coyote.
Speaker 10: You know, he was kind of showing me around. So
Speaker 10: that's kind of my first tryad. Actually, Yeah, do you
Speaker 10: know people.
Speaker 1: How many like what what what is this? Like bischofs
Speaker 1: at the time, what was the scale of the business?
Speaker 1: I mean employee wise, yeah, or just whatever you're you're
Speaker 1: cranking out? What kind of work?
Speaker 11: And I mean it's hard to say because it just
Speaker 11: depends on the size of the project. So sometimes it'll
Speaker 11: be like a big movie project and they want like
Speaker 11: an animatoric cow that's laying outside with a lot of
Speaker 11: servos and stuff going on.
Speaker 5: So that's what servos and just electronic.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so it'll be like a you know, RV whatever
Speaker 11: those little letters and then so that project takes a
Speaker 11: lot more time, you know what I mean. So it
Speaker 11: just depends, and we're doing a lot of things at
Speaker 11: the same time. So you'll see amount being done, pet
Speaker 11: being finished, You'll see.
Speaker 1: Like a hunting a mount being done, Yeah, pet.
Speaker 11: Being finished, a fake life sized bear that's ten foot
Speaker 11: you know, being fabricated for something where they don't want
Speaker 11: to use real fur whatever is you know, So, like
Speaker 11: we have a bunch of different projects going on at
Speaker 11: the same time.
Speaker 1: In a studio.
Speaker 11: In studio, yeah, yeah, exactly, but how many people were
Speaker 11: working there depends on project. Normally bring them in depending
Speaker 11: on what's going on. Yeah, so on average, like six
Speaker 11: six is kind of like the are straightforward number, but
Speaker 11: then we bring in subcontractors. On electronics, there's phenomenal sculptors Jesse.
Speaker 5: We got a lot of people who are just.
Speaker 6: Great makers and things.
Speaker 10: It depends on how big the project and how our
Speaker 10: time frame. So sometimes you know, the studios the movies
Speaker 10: are always like can you do you know, can you
Speaker 10: have it by Friday?
Speaker 1: And it's like sure, his wife bar.
Speaker 8: Did you guys have like other than music? Did you
Speaker 8: did you work in like another? I mean did you
Speaker 8: were you in like a physical did you sculptor or
Speaker 8: painting or drawing or did you have a mechanical background.
Speaker 10: I have a mechanical background, Okay, yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 10: used to I used to have a smoke check station
Speaker 10: in California. We do, you know, emission inspections for vehicles
Speaker 10: so they don't pollute. So I had a license I
Speaker 10: was a technician, you know, so I was handy and
Speaker 10: I did I did go to school for the electronics
Speaker 10: you know, like low voltage stuff, so that kind of
Speaker 10: came in handy when it came down to U servos
Speaker 10: and mechanical stuff and electronics stuff.
Speaker 12: So the average day, you guys could be mounting a
Speaker 12: buck from some joe blow that brought a buck in
Speaker 12: that killed one hunting to like making stuff for movies.
Speaker 10: Yeah, sometimes he's working on a on a you know,
Speaker 10: on that or a taxi in peace, and I'll be
Speaker 10: working on a on a structure for a for a
Speaker 10: dead dog or something that they're going to need, you know,
Speaker 10: like like so and then we do uh he does
Speaker 10: the final details. I'll get it ready for you know,
Speaker 10: just for the final painting and rushing and details.
Speaker 6: So we kind of like switch over.
Speaker 5: It like yeah, so we got to see I mean
Speaker 5: like he could.
Speaker 11: Well, he does all the other stuff, you know, a
Speaker 11: lot of the that kind of stuff I do more
Speaker 11: than I do, like the finish worth, the airbrush and
Speaker 11: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get a job down there man.
Speaker 4: Internship for a while.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's interesting, I mean it's it's challenging because every time,
Speaker 10: you know, you gotta we start from scratch and we
Speaker 10: gotta figure out you know, every time it's a little
Speaker 10: different because they always want some different you know. It's sure,
Speaker 10: it's rare when we do like the same thing, you know,
Speaker 10: like the same uh kind of prop So they always
Speaker 10: want something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's back up to music for one sec. So
Speaker 1: the Blizzard of Oz just died, you guys, Yes, Like,
Speaker 1: so if I just give me thumbs up, thumbs down,
Speaker 1: war Pigs, yeah good, Crazy Train.
Speaker 10: Yeah really good.
Speaker 8: Let the record show that to both of those questions
Speaker 8: they responded to.
Speaker 1: The affirmative with war Pigs was like a tentative. It
Speaker 1: was like they thought about it. But Crazy Train was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a no brainer. Yeah, war Pisa, let me
Speaker 1: hate with this one. Him doing all them stupid reality shows.
Speaker 1: They didn't thumb It felt like a thumb down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go between.
Speaker 1: You don't want to speak.
Speaker 6: Somewhat entertaining, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Osborne's is very entertaining.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I never watched it. I could tell you a long
Speaker 1: fifteen minute story about Crazy Train that involved me and
Speaker 1: Craig Kemp from high school, but I'm not gonna just
Speaker 1: want more. It'll be like an appendix, can we do?
Speaker 1: We should start doing appendixes on the.
Speaker 7: Show post credits scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like an appendix to the show. You do the
Speaker 1: parts you couldn't fit in it? Yeah? How does the
Speaker 1: how does the movie trust me? I want I want
Speaker 1: to get to like just the emotional aspects of the
Speaker 1: pet trade, but or the pet business. But like, how
Speaker 1: does movie business come to you? Do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: like like who who comes to you? Is it an agent?
Speaker 1: Is it a director? Like like how do they explain
Speaker 1: their vision?
Speaker 11: I mean it's they just everybody reaches out, whether it's
Speaker 11: prop master, whether it's product. You know, anybody in the
Speaker 11: production will reach out. I mean at this point, I
Speaker 11: think it's established enough. I mean even long before we
Speaker 11: were there, well Gary, Mary were, they're the previous owners
Speaker 11: that they just give us a call. Literally, it's just
Speaker 11: we pick up the phone, Bishops and they'll be like, hey,
Speaker 11: we're working on the show. We need a fake pig.
Speaker 11: Someone's got to stab it. There's got to be blood
Speaker 11: coming out the other side. We gotta drag it, make
Speaker 11: it flexible, make it heavy.
Speaker 5: The actor, does you know what I mean?
Speaker 11: And then and then they'll be like, but we need
Speaker 11: it in two weeks, and then you gotta you know,
Speaker 11: you gotta figure it out.
Speaker 10: And then we tell them, yeah, we need at least
Speaker 10: two weeks, and then they're they're still working on it.
Speaker 10: And then five days go by and they give us
Speaker 10: a green light. So for the same day, Well, they
Speaker 10: go back and forth and figuring things out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you able to like, can you name some
Speaker 1: films that people might have seen some of your stuff in?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. We did West Road, We worked on
Speaker 5: land Man.
Speaker 11: Yeah, let's let's done a lot of Yellowstone stuff, The Night,
Speaker 11: all the nineteen twenty three, A lot of the Tailers
Speaker 11: and stuff we definitely worked on.
Speaker 5: I was just in what the snakes for? I forgot.
Speaker 11: I was just I mean, the thing is, by the
Speaker 11: time the shows come out, I don't even know what
Speaker 11: it was for.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Sometimes we don't even know they showed. We just
Speaker 10: have the production company name and we don't know.
Speaker 1: You never you don't like follow along? No, I mean
Speaker 1: out of your life? Are you never watching the show
Speaker 1: and you're like.
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, that's what we find out. We be watching
Speaker 10: some Netflix and oh, ship, that's that's you know, that's.
Speaker 4: All blood comes out of that pig going left to right.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: So do you often because of the because of the
Speaker 1: rules in filmmaking. And I know it's not a hard
Speaker 1: and fast rule, but there's like there are way you know,
Speaker 1: when you started seeing once upon a time, you start
Speaker 1: seeing like no animals are harmed in the making the movie.
Speaker 1: Does that really? Like how does that fit into your work?
Speaker 1: Meaning if you have an old specimen it was already
Speaker 1: dead for another reason, are you able to use it
Speaker 1: or does everything have to be synthetic? No?
Speaker 5: No, So yeah, it's just pretty much you didn't kill
Speaker 5: it for the purpose of the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 11: So if we had an old hide for example, like
Speaker 11: even we've had donated highs from like the World Conservation Center,
Speaker 11: say for example, when they naturally pass, they'll you know,
Speaker 11: they'll like you guys can process because otherwise we're just
Speaker 11: gonna do a commute vibration. Ye, So we'll say the
Speaker 11: hide and we can use that hide. And it's not
Speaker 11: you know, we didn't kill it for the purpose in
Speaker 11: the film. We just had the hide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like in a movie when they're eat a steak,
Speaker 1: right exactly, they didn't go out and yeah, that.
Speaker 5: Same.
Speaker 1: So you guys don't like go get the go, get
Speaker 1: the rifles and what's gonna happen? Hit me with the
Speaker 1: hit me with the pig. One. Okay, so they want
Speaker 1: there's a pig they need to pick. They want to pick. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was just watching the other It was a It
Speaker 1: was a Corsican movie. I can't remember the name of it. Anyways,
Speaker 1: in it, they got a pig hanging there.
Speaker 3: Okay, I saw that.
Speaker 2: Is it like a gangster like it's like the Fathers.
Speaker 2: The father is involved in like like local mafia and
Speaker 2: then it's like.
Speaker 1: The corse Can Mob.
Speaker 3: I forget the name of that film.
Speaker 1: Either way, In it, they got to pick. They show up,
Speaker 1: there's a pig in the truck. Pretty soon the pig's
Speaker 1: hanging there. So you get a call about a pig, like,
Speaker 1: let me just let me give you a fake exam
Speaker 1: because you already brought up the pig. Let me bring
Speaker 1: up one. Like I say, I'm doing a movie. A
Speaker 1: guy the protagonist hits a deer at night with his
Speaker 1: car and it's a key part of the movie that
Speaker 1: he hits a deer at night. So when you a deer.
Speaker 1: We need a he needs to hit it. It needs
Speaker 1: to be that there it is on the road. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be quite a bit of focus on the deer
Speaker 1: because of the plot. How would you where do you start? Like,
Speaker 1: how would you think about that problem?
Speaker 11: I mean that's probably an easier one because there's a
Speaker 11: lot of deer hides we have. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean it just truthfully, I mean, it's not something
Speaker 11: super exotic that you're looking for, you know, and then
Speaker 11: we just see the hide, see what they want if
Speaker 11: they needed to move or be flexible.
Speaker 10: So we'll probably start with two of them for for
Speaker 10: the for the purpose of you know, you're gonna shoot it,
Speaker 10: you get a frame when when he's gonna get hit
Speaker 10: by the car.
Speaker 12: Right, That's what I was gonna ask, Like in a
Speaker 12: scene like that where there's like a standing deer, a
Speaker 12: deer like flying through deer, and then like a dead deer.
Speaker 1: So that we would probably multiple deer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's multiple deer.
Speaker 10: See if you're going to get out of the car
Speaker 10: and then drag it somewhere, and obviously it has to
Speaker 10: be flappy, kind of freshly dead killed, you know whatever,
Speaker 10: So you need a flappy one, so you would need
Speaker 10: a couple of them, at least two of them.
Speaker 1: And when you're making it look like obviously you got
Speaker 1: to make it look banged up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, you got to do that. Blood, the guts,
Speaker 5: the whole.
Speaker 11: We do like silicone, so we'll make MOLDI wile scold
Speaker 11: pieces and then lay silicone paint that up. Then you
Speaker 11: can put blood over that and then it just looks
Speaker 11: gruesome when you when you go up to it, you know.
Speaker 2: When it's floppy, what are you stuffing it with? Well,
Speaker 2: so we is that a trade secret.
Speaker 10: It's kind of a secret, but we try to keep it,
Speaker 10: you know, the structure or the anatomy as close as possible.
Speaker 10: So that's kind of we learned that, yeah, you know
Speaker 10: through a lot of the ones that weren't so good.
Speaker 10: So we learn that we we need to have the
Speaker 10: anatomy kind of you know, certain parts need to be
Speaker 10: like really more structure, structure firm than than Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It's kind of dips in the shoulders.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they head obviously hot.
Speaker 2: Like a new kind of a new kind of mount
Speaker 2: I know. John Hayes does like soft coyotes, and we
Speaker 2: have a soft mom can.
Speaker 7: But you want right he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm just wondering, like, you know, who knows?
Speaker 2: Maybe you want a different kind of you want to
Speaker 2: floppy floppy. I don't know Roan at home that you've
Speaker 2: just gotten Tanzania.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I know a guy. I know
Speaker 1: a guy that has a full sable and a full
Speaker 1: rone hide. Okay, so if you get a movie call, oh,
Speaker 1: definitely you get a movie call, come.
Speaker 4: Talks, and he might be willing to trade them for
Speaker 4: a mesh backer.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean like for ationally done, fleshed and
Speaker 1: salted everything down to the nut sack. Wow, ready to go,
Speaker 1: No salt, just keep me in mind. So let's say
Speaker 1: we do this deer that we're gonna do this deer
Speaker 1: thing as I described, And I don't want to pry,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, hey, what, uh what should I budget
Speaker 1: for this? Now? Don't don't just like like, are we talking?
Speaker 1: I don't want to pry. Let's put this way.
Speaker 3: Let's put this one talk about in the number of figures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put this way. Yeah, I go and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I just killed a nice buck. I want a full
Speaker 1: body a mount of my buck to display in my house,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to look like the second before I
Speaker 1: shot it live and well beautiful. And then I come
Speaker 1: with the same deer and I say, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to look like I just ran it over? But bad?
Speaker 1: Which of these projects is more expensive?
Speaker 11: As long as you bring it and you give us
Speaker 11: a good amount of time, they would both be you know,
Speaker 11: I mean, it'd be cheaper to get you a busted
Speaker 11: up looking thing.
Speaker 1: It is you got to make all the latex.
Speaker 11: But we already have all the molds and everything for it,
Speaker 11: so we youat know, I mean, and we do it
Speaker 11: so often that it's just like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you're probably not doing a ton of detail
Speaker 8: work with something like that.
Speaker 5: We just throw dirt on it. If you want it
Speaker 5: really much.
Speaker 1: Then you built when they read their does it item
Speaker 1: for dirt?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So uh, there's that business which is very different. You
Speaker 1: had traditional taxidermy, which people can't understand that how in
Speaker 1: the world, like in Bischoff's history, how did how did
Speaker 1: the pet?
Speaker 3: You can continue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in company history?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What was the moment that someone said, like we're laughing
Speaker 1: about Cranny asked John Hayes, did you pet John Hayes says, no,
Speaker 1: what was the moment in Bischoff history? What Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me the name of the animal.
Speaker 5: It's not called it's Bishops.
Speaker 11: Yeahs is the name of the company and the animal
Speaker 11: kingdom is just like the slogan that goes with I got.
Speaker 1: At what point in Bischoff history was it? The answer
Speaker 1: is yes.
Speaker 11: Well I think Roy Rogers trigger was was done at
Speaker 11: our shop?
Speaker 5: Really yeah, I mean that was a pet and.
Speaker 1: Roy Rogers horse.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Everett mounted it. Yeah, at our shop many years ago.
Speaker 1: My god, that is incredible.
Speaker 5: And also a buck on the yeah as well.
Speaker 4: I mean if you walked up on that, I'd kick it.
Speaker 4: You'd have no, it's like wake you would have.
Speaker 8: Let let the record show that there's now a dog,
Speaker 8: a stuffed dog?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 10: Aug, it's a frenchie.
Speaker 8: There's a there's a stuffed frenchie on the table that
Speaker 8: is uh sleeping.
Speaker 1: And it looks and very real.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's got wrinkles. And you got a picture of
Speaker 8: me sitting here, Randal. Yeah, who's hard?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 5: That's a client center? Actually?
Speaker 7: Do that's that?
Speaker 1: Dog's hard? He wanted his dog's heart.
Speaker 11: Yeah, smile, you're saying that so how do you how
Speaker 11: do you do that is a freeze drivers.
Speaker 4: I had a question about that.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of questions drying that up and eat.
Speaker 5: It technically, I mean, not what we injected with.
Speaker 8: The strange part about the heart to me is like
Speaker 8: if I took my dog to you and said I
Speaker 8: want my heart, and obviously we can't.
Speaker 4: You know, these are your clients that we don't. But
Speaker 4: like when they get it back to like, oh, I've
Speaker 4: never seen that before.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen my heart. You ever think about that?
Speaker 1: You never get a good look at your own heart.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well they've seen it done. You know, they've seen
Speaker 10: the sample, so they get a good idea of how
Speaker 10: what they're getting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that.
Speaker 7: Is I could see Tracker, oh yeah, getting done like that.
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be that different than the way it
Speaker 1: is now. Yeah, it just kind of later.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I was gonna say, I spend when
Speaker 8: I'm at home, I spend ninety five percent of my
Speaker 8: time around sleeping dogs, and.
Speaker 1: You can spend and I.
Speaker 8: Could never tell you that that wasn't a live dog.
Speaker 8: Is there's nothing bit of.
Speaker 1: Work that's freeze dried.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a it's a hybrid. It's a yeah, yeah,
Speaker 11: we do a little bit of everything. It's like it's
Speaker 11: like a weird yeah.
Speaker 1: So what wow?
Speaker 8: What is the freeze like? Could you explain the freeze
Speaker 8: drying process? I mean, I think most people are familiar
Speaker 8: with like standard tax dermoy. You're you're tanning the hide,
Speaker 8: you're putting it over a mold. Then you're you know,
Speaker 8: molding and painting and.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that. But what is the freeze dry product? Like,
Speaker 4: you start with a dead dog, what do you do?
Speaker 6: So we prep it?
Speaker 10: Obviously we got to do some skinning in our case,
Speaker 10: you know, all the organs and fatty teach who has
Speaker 10: to be removed because those things don't freeze right well
Speaker 10: except you know obviously if you do it simply. But
Speaker 10: so we prep him. We we actually cast mold out
Speaker 10: of their body so we.
Speaker 6: Have the same the perfect same body.
Speaker 1: So that's how you get to so you know where
Speaker 1: to end up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so, uh, but the head, the skull is still
Speaker 10: it's all there is intact, you know, the legs, all
Speaker 10: the skeleton structure.
Speaker 1: Like that leg or freeze dry good because there's just
Speaker 1: nothing to.
Speaker 11: It, right, It's just fats and oils is what makes
Speaker 11: it difficult in the freeze dryer, so you got to
Speaker 11: get rid of it pretty much. Fats and oils just
Speaker 11: don't freeze dry. Okay, Yeah, that's the biggest thing. And
Speaker 11: then we sometimes we'll three D scan and then digitally print,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean, some of the body portions
Speaker 11: and stuff like that, because we were big on three
Speaker 11: D printers and scanners, because we've got quite a field
Speaker 11: them just for the film industry.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 11: If they want like a quick paw that matches something,
Speaker 11: we can three.
Speaker 5: D printed, you know what I mean and then figure
Speaker 5: that out.
Speaker 11: So we've messed a lot of different you know, I
Speaker 11: mean industries into the pets. Yeah, who's uh, whose dog
Speaker 11: is this? This is? This is I don't know if
Speaker 11: he wants to be named, but it's a it's a
Speaker 11: class you know it's here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yea, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really, it really is.
Speaker 1: Dude. That dog looks like it's laying there sleeping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting all emotion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, think of all the moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about your own.
Speaker 1: Time, thinking about when he's alive. Doesn't look like that?
Speaker 1: How big of a dog?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Does the size matter?
Speaker 10: That's obviously bigger dogs hits a lot more work and
Speaker 10: it takes a lot lower in the the actual freeze Riyo.
Speaker 1: You should see in dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got it?
Speaker 2: Ye, great, great Dane and my new Finland is upstairs.
Speaker 5: So how how many pounds?
Speaker 2: But one, one, twenty and one thirty something, so.
Speaker 4: He's calculating how much times.
Speaker 5: We just got one working up an invoice.
Speaker 11: Yeah, someone came in from the East coast and it
Speaker 11: was about one hundred and sixty pounds.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's the biggest so far.
Speaker 1: You want frozen probably, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, And that's the biggest thing is people sometimes yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean they're not It's not like a hunter who
Speaker 11: knows what they're doing the prep work for, so they
Speaker 11: don't know to freeze. So you know there's times where
Speaker 11: like they've you know, your morning.
Speaker 10: Morning and they have them out for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Or hair starts to slip, yeah late.
Speaker 11: Text Yeah, and age, you know, honestly, age, sometimes they
Speaker 11: lose a lot of weight.
Speaker 5: And we got to be honest with you.
Speaker 11: If you bring in a seventeen year old dog who
Speaker 11: lost X amount of pounds and you're like, and you
Speaker 11: show me a photograph of when they were three four
Speaker 11: years old. We can add a bit of weight, but
Speaker 11: we got to be realistic about that.
Speaker 1: Goes in Hollywood, that goes on all the time. Get it.
Speaker 10: Try to make them look good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean if we had a band, this is
Speaker 7: where they're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, all right, I don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 3: That's just yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: It looks great.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 1: Back when I was I don't know where. I don't
Speaker 1: know where things stand in text durmy now. But when
Speaker 1: I was younger, it would be like you just order
Speaker 1: all these molds. I mean like let's say you let's
Speaker 1: sa let's say you do white tail deer. Right, you
Speaker 1: just order a mold right right. For the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean, like for most work. Be that you go
Speaker 1: on to tax dermy dot com and it's like head
Speaker 1: to you know, shoulder mount looking right. But in your guys,
Speaker 1: there's no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why you.
Speaker 10: Get into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So there's no forms, no bulldog, no French bulldog, no
Speaker 12: French bulldog, pounds sleeping.
Speaker 4: The cute little used to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So that's where I think that's where the big difference is.
Speaker 10: There's nothing pre made or or there's nothing we can
Speaker 10: order that.
Speaker 1: It's all from scratch.
Speaker 6: It's all from scratch.
Speaker 2: There's little heads on his little paw with a little
Speaker 2: like it's like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's the first is the first step. So
Speaker 1: he he never got you never sent this to get tanned.
Speaker 10: No, No, that's where the freeze dryer kind of takes over.
Speaker 10: You know, the freeze drying kind of it's like the
Speaker 10: tanning process, but it's it's uh, it's done by the
Speaker 10: removing the moisture off and kind of it's pretty much
Speaker 10: the same result. Yeah, I mean, obviously this is brittle,
Speaker 10: you know, it's it's it's I mean, it's stiff.
Speaker 1: Ye would you would you expect that this is this
Speaker 1: is this will last?
Speaker 11: Yeah, because we do a little bit of a weird
Speaker 11: hybrid thing. We make sure that if you just put
Speaker 11: this in a freeze dryer without doing kind of like
Speaker 11: the hybrid thing that we do with it, it wouldn't last. Yeah,
Speaker 11: because fats and oils just there, they're not going to
Speaker 11: freeze dry.
Speaker 5: It's in edeman. You'll two three years, you'll have slippage,
Speaker 5: you'll have yeah.
Speaker 2: But when you here's are those like the actual ears?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, No, inserting there. Yeah, okay, so when you thaw,
Speaker 1: when you thaw an animal out, is it is the clock?
Speaker 1: Like the clock's ticking.
Speaker 5: Now right right? Yeah? Yep, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: That's so I'm just curious, like, without it, how are
Speaker 1: you hustling so much to wind up with something so
Speaker 1: realistic with like the proper folds in its neck and
Speaker 1: all that. Like once you thought out, you got to
Speaker 1: start working on it. I mean, yeah, so we you
Speaker 1: have how many how many hours days till it's got
Speaker 1: to be kind of like done.
Speaker 10: So we probably we start working on let's say, start
Speaker 10: on it today, and you get to a certain point
Speaker 10: and then you put it back in the refrigerator. So
Speaker 10: next day we pull it out, okay, and you continue
Speaker 10: until probably two days.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you got to you gotta keep it cool,
Speaker 11: you got to keep it frozen. So I mean, it's
Speaker 11: not like you got to get it all done.
Speaker 6: Now, not at one.
Speaker 11: Yeah, like I could start on it, you know, have
Speaker 11: it pretty much ready to go. Maybe I got the
Speaker 11: mold and then I'm like, okay, wait, it's Friday, you know,
Speaker 11: I want to go have a good week and whatever
Speaker 11: it is popping in the freezer. Then maybe Sunday night,
Speaker 11: come out, pull it over to the fridge by tomorrow morning,
Speaker 11: Monday mornings, you know, thought out and then we can
Speaker 11: go to the next step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how distraught are people when they bring you their pets?
Speaker 10: Well, we get a variety of people. Some people are
Speaker 10: just normal, you know, not too emotional. Some people are
Speaker 10: really emotional. Sometimes even when they call we we you know,
Speaker 10: we understand. So we try to be in and you know,
Speaker 10: empathetic to their situation. And so that's kind of a
Speaker 10: different Uh, it's like we're talking about going back from
Speaker 10: year to a.
Speaker 6: Pad to a fake.
Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, so you're on the phone with someone
Speaker 10: that wants a snake for a show, and then the
Speaker 10: next call is someone crying over the dog, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a range of emotions.
Speaker 10: It's a range of emotions. And also when they come in,
Speaker 10: you know, we have people from the studios come in
Speaker 10: checking hey and want when I look at your crows
Speaker 10: and they're going and then we got someone bringing on
Speaker 10: you know, their pets. It's it's it's a very contrasting.
Speaker 4: You know, different energy.
Speaker 6: Different energy with different clients.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so we made a little like there's like a
Speaker 11: little side pet room, like almost like morning when you
Speaker 11: bring pet in, you go to this private room and
Speaker 11: you kind of you know, you can sit there and
Speaker 11: take your time, just so it doesn't take away from
Speaker 11: your experience. You know, I don't want a studio person
Speaker 11: to come in and just like, hey man, how's you going?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 7: Do you do you wash the hides on those dogs thorough?
Speaker 12: A lot of If I did my dog, I'd want
Speaker 12: to smell like my dog, like kind of half rocken.
Speaker 1: Uh what this is? This is gonna be a tricky one,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want you guys to damage your business
Speaker 1: or anything. There's got to be right, Like people are
Speaker 1: gonna have expectations and then they're gonna come in, you know,
Speaker 1: and you gotta be like here it is, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna respond that seems to me.
Speaker 5: Fraud.
Speaker 1: That seems to me. That's got to be a tricky moment.
Speaker 1: You gotta be having your fingers crossed. Well, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh perfect and not some other emotion because
Speaker 1: they're because again it's emotional.
Speaker 5: It is it's different.
Speaker 10: Well, so far we haven't had a experience, so we're
Speaker 10: pretty confident. So now when people come in and pick
Speaker 10: up their pets pretty confident, there be happy.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, violin this dog, I'd be thrilled. Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know some bit slept like that, but I'd still.
Speaker 5: Well, you take your if your pet sleeps a different way,
Speaker 5: you you know, we just.
Speaker 1: Because people got pictures that are dogs.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I always say like one to three pictures.
Speaker 11: Sometimes they'll send me like an album one thousand, So
Speaker 11: which one do you want? YEA one for the body
Speaker 11: poss Yeah, oneion if.
Speaker 12: You guys did my dog would be super easy because
Speaker 12: when my dog sleeps just looks dead anyway.
Speaker 1: So just be like, just make it look like a
Speaker 1: dead dog.
Speaker 7: Can we get it between As and Ray? Just for
Speaker 7: like a really nice clean shot of it. We've gotten
Speaker 7: some good shots, but not not the whole body or
Speaker 7: anything like that.
Speaker 1: Just for the audience. It's okay to slide it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if yeah one handles and yeah yeah oh
Speaker 1: even the bottom show the bottom of that thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, wow, wow damn because you can't run.
Speaker 1: How that dog looks great.
Speaker 4: It's great, It's it's really kind of spooky.
Speaker 1: How that makes me want to get our dog stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: See that's the thing with people.
Speaker 3: Killed.
Speaker 4: Difference is you want to get them stuff today.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so people, it's not for everyone. You know, some
Speaker 10: people of course, you know, like they have a negative
Speaker 10: reaction to the actual aspect.
Speaker 1: Of you're dealing with the fraction.
Speaker 6: Yes, and but people don't realize like when they see.
Speaker 10: The final product, when the final outcome, it kind of
Speaker 10: change their perspective on how to look at the actual
Speaker 10: you know, ah process or the or the or the
Speaker 10: just the thought of you know.
Speaker 11: And then also we do have that we have a
Speaker 11: bunch of other options, so like a common person will
Speaker 11: come in. We have an acclamation machine for example, so
Speaker 11: you can just do the ashes, and we have an
Speaker 11: artist that can get you a custom portrait.
Speaker 5: We can do the podcast.
Speaker 11: So a lot of people go for like the generic
Speaker 11: normal kind of preservations, and then some people do like
Speaker 11: a partial preservice.
Speaker 5: Some people just want to scull bronze.
Speaker 1: Did you just say a podcast?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a podcast.
Speaker 1: Thought that's why. Yeah, yeah, oh, just like an imprint
Speaker 1: for him exactly.
Speaker 11: We do it like bronze, you know, podcasts or I mean,
Speaker 11: and then some people want to scull, you know, they
Speaker 11: want like a bronze skull. So we'll do that as well.
Speaker 11: Really everybody has. I mean that's the way the heart
Speaker 11: came about. One person asked for.
Speaker 1: Like vincent price or something wanted that, like I.
Speaker 11: Can't even remember who the first person, yeah it was,
Speaker 11: but then it's it like somehow other people start to
Speaker 11: know about it, and then we just said, well we
Speaker 11: might as well.
Speaker 6: Same thing with that what the pond remember someone?
Speaker 10: Yeah, just you know, oh my god, I would just
Speaker 10: love to get his spot, Like okay, well we'll do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but unless it has that yeasty smell. Yes, I
Speaker 4: mean for me dogs.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm wondering about like me, because there are there
Speaker 8: are certain animals I feel like out there, like wild animals,
Speaker 8: game animals that when you taxidermy them, they don't ever
Speaker 8: really have like the full magic. You know, they're dead,
Speaker 8: yeah I know, but like this, like like if you
Speaker 8: saw a mountain lion like that, or I'm sort of
Speaker 8: wondering about like the bleed over between this freeze dry
Speaker 8: technique and what we think of as traditional taxidermy.
Speaker 1: Like why are people not doing well? I guess they
Speaker 1: do because I remember I used to sell otters to
Speaker 1: a guy that would freeze, dry them, and sell them
Speaker 1: a long time ago.
Speaker 4: That would be wild.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you can do can be I think
Speaker 11: the biggest thing out. Yeah, some of the chambers, a
Speaker 11: lot of the free drive chambers just aren't too huge,
Speaker 11: so you got a size issue. And then also like
Speaker 11: the amount of space that you do. You know, we
Speaker 11: could fit fifteen of these these guys in one chamber.
Speaker 11: If we fit in the mountain line, We're gonna charge
Speaker 11: you a lot of money for that mountain line to
Speaker 11: sit there four months in the freeze.
Speaker 5: Driver could have done four of these guys, four of
Speaker 5: these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what takes this film up your real estate yet? Squirrel?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we free drives.
Speaker 11: I mean I think it would great, like if you
Speaker 11: have like a carical cat or whatever, you know, like
Speaker 11: I think, because you'd have the skeletal structure in there,
Speaker 11: and I think that's what messes up those mounts a
Speaker 11: lot of times.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 5: So the forms are great, but not as good as nat.
Speaker 10: So when you order the forums, they have no no detail.
Speaker 10: They're just playing you know, from forms with no detail.
Speaker 10: So that's why you don't you don't get the you know,
Speaker 10: the ring called the expression on the that's.
Speaker 1: A really good point that like the the native structure,
Speaker 1: mean the skull, like the native structure is there, yes,
Speaker 1: and the pause like the structures there.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, you got all the skeletal structure, and same
Speaker 11: thing with the faces.
Speaker 5: I mean, the face is the core of the mount.
Speaker 11: So if you were to do any kind of wildcat,
Speaker 11: I mean, it's just it would make more sense to
Speaker 11: have the natural skull and everything, the natural ears. I
Speaker 11: mean I've done them traditionally, but it's just your sculpt
Speaker 11: and now it's up to the sculptors, up to the artists,
Speaker 11: and it's not up to the way he really was naturally.
Speaker 7: So that dog's skull is in this mount right here,
Speaker 7: right yes?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1: Did you guys married? Yeah, we're both yeah married.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What do they think about your line of work?
Speaker 10: Well, they love it. I mean they're okay with it.
Speaker 10: I mean it's it's it's it's for us. For it's interesting,
Speaker 10: you know, it's it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's not
Speaker 10: like even when people ask, oh, so what do you
Speaker 10: guys do? What is you know, it's just interesting to
Speaker 10: spark a conversation just on the fact that, yeah, it's
Speaker 10: so random, you know, a lot out there.
Speaker 2: I'm still fascinated by how you guys took over the
Speaker 2: business and even got into doing this at this level.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, this is this, you know, this
Speaker 2: looks incredible, amazing, and it seems like all the techniques
Speaker 2: that you've developed to apply to this work is just
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like you were, you know, apprenticing
Speaker 2: for decades, you know.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think mind blow.
Speaker 11: I think it's a lot of the just the random stuff,
Speaker 11: like we're talking about that every day. And I think
Speaker 11: the studio has pushed us a lot. Yeah, because we've
Speaker 11: we've had to come up with so many ways like
Speaker 11: how I mean there's times where we've sold a job
Speaker 11: and like now, how.
Speaker 5: Are we going to do it? Yeah?
Speaker 11: They were on an elephant needed in this, you know
Speaker 11: what I mean, Like whatever it is, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 11: it's going to take this long and make the mold.
Speaker 5: We got to do the fiberglass.
Speaker 10: We got it.
Speaker 11: So I think all those freak out moments, let us
Speaker 11: like piece it all together to be able to do something.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do work on on like time and material?
Speaker 1: Because you don't know what you're getting into.
Speaker 5: We do, but we yeah, I mean we do time.
Speaker 11: I mean we definitely we priced a lot of course
Speaker 11: material time also just what we're getting out of the
Speaker 11: way because a lot of the students, like I said, there,
Speaker 11: it's all last minute stuff. So it's not it's not
Speaker 11: like a hundred just drops off. Hey man, I'll pick
Speaker 11: it up in six months, No big deal if you
Speaker 11: go seven months. Just make sure it looks great. Whereas
Speaker 11: the studio is like, hey, can I get progress pictures?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 11: I get it, but like right now, I don't want
Speaker 11: to send you a photograph of a phone form.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing like that it's supposed to be.
Speaker 10: And then they're going to try to change the you know,
Speaker 10: the oh my god I wanted you know, and they're
Speaker 10: gonna kind of make changes while winning that we're in
Speaker 10: the middle of the process.
Speaker 1: And then what I meant by time materials like in
Speaker 1: the trades, like when I work for my buddy Ronnie,
Speaker 1: we do jobs that we're a bid, right, You're like,
Speaker 1: it'll it'll be this and if we lose money or
Speaker 1: make money, that's the price. Or some things that were
Speaker 1: more open ended, it'd be like we're gonna work on
Speaker 1: the project at blank dollars an hour plus our materials,
Speaker 1: because we don't know what we're getting into, so you
Speaker 1: normally come back with a it'll be this yes, and
Speaker 1: then you lose money or make money on how well
Speaker 1: you can fulfill. Yeah.
Speaker 11: I mean, at this point, I think we got a
Speaker 11: good idea of where it's going to land. So if
Speaker 11: we say, oh, it's gonna be whatever, sixty hundred, they'll
Speaker 11: be like, okay, well yeah, and we kind of know
Speaker 11: we're you know, what we're making on it with how
Speaker 11: much the latex is, the phone is the whether we're
Speaker 11: using natural hide or fil furs or whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was gonna ask what other pets of you guys
Speaker 7: done other than dogs.
Speaker 6: Well, we do cats, hamstairs, rabbits. Rabbits beat goldfish, dragons.
Speaker 5: We didn't do a goldfish once it was in the article.
Speaker 5: I remember that.
Speaker 11: Hamsters, Yeah, hamsters, little rats, little baby rats like there's
Speaker 11: you know, sometimes the kid will have rat on naturally
Speaker 11: pass and then be like, oh my god, I love
Speaker 11: this and it will come in and we'll do it
Speaker 11: if that's what you want.
Speaker 3: I mean, Hollywood families, keep keep you.
Speaker 5: Pet Wallaby pat horses.
Speaker 11: We've done horses of course, Yeah, but now horses are
Speaker 11: done traditionally because it's just you don't want to freeze drive.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's no, there's no.
Speaker 1: You guys did Roy Rot Your company did Everett.
Speaker 5: He was a tax rooms at the time he did it.
Speaker 1: You guys weren't even born yet.
Speaker 5: He was amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I think still out of you seum somewhere right.
Speaker 11: They sold in an auction. It's I think somewhere in
Speaker 11: the Midwest now. I think it's sold for like a
Speaker 11: quarter of a million.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Something. Have you ever done a pet cow?
Speaker 5: We did it. Yeah, we do that every once in
Speaker 5: a while. We do the headed cat.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a two headed cat that was natural, that
Speaker 11: was still born or whatever it was.
Speaker 5: We did that for somebody as well.
Speaker 11: A lot of longhorn, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 11: just your natural like you know, they'll keep the hide
Speaker 11: and then we'll just do the head mount.
Speaker 1: Well. How many pieces are coming out of your.
Speaker 5: Studio every year? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is there something out the door every day?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Pets, oh my pets. And I think we have rentals too,
Speaker 11: so we have. So that's another weird thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 11: somebody will come in and then we have a big
Speaker 11: short showroom with everything you can think of. So we
Speaker 11: have a bunch of fake stuff, we have a bunch
Speaker 11: of real stuff. So you can come in and you'll
Speaker 11: find like a line pole that's hinged where it's I'll swipe.
Speaker 11: So if you're working on a commercial for whatever and
Speaker 11: you need that, it'll just be like, oh, perfect, that's
Speaker 11: what I want. Boom, pick it up. We'll ring you up,
Speaker 11: you'll bring it back. It's a weak rental back off,
Speaker 11: that's all it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How many employees you got now it's like six seven
Speaker 1: seven okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: And then a list of subcontractors.
Speaker 3: Yes, that just seems incredible.
Speaker 1: Explain the subcontractor thing. There's like guys out there to
Speaker 1: have these particular skill sets, and what are they doing
Speaker 1: when they're not doing the work for you?
Speaker 10: Well, they work for other studios, so they're like constantly
Speaker 10: either you know, one studio to another.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't cause problems for you.
Speaker 6: Well no, not really, because we have you know what,
Speaker 6: we have a.
Speaker 10: List of many so if one's not available, we go
Speaker 10: to the next one and eventually things will work out.
Speaker 1: Give give me an example, of give me, give me example,
Speaker 1: give me example of a guy that's not on pay,
Speaker 1: not on staff, who you call yeah for special assignments,
Speaker 1: like well, I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So like David Gross, phenomenal sculptor. Okay, right, so he
Speaker 11: he will. I think he was the one who sculpted
Speaker 11: I think the snakes for Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 11: yeah for what for Landman? So he digitally sculpted the snake,
Speaker 11: like the whole snake was digitally sculpted. He sent us
Speaker 11: the file, so he worked from home on that thing
Speaker 11: on the computer. He digital sculpt the whole thing. To
Speaker 11: our measurements, to everything. We went back and forth. He
Speaker 11: sent us a file. We three D printed the file,
Speaker 11: made a mold out of it, silicone casted the snakes
Speaker 11: that they're flexible, but wiring or whatever they wanted to
Speaker 11: do in them. And he'll float around. So then he'll
Speaker 11: just he'll do projects for another studio. But these are
Speaker 11: fect studios that he mostly works with, Okay, so it's
Speaker 11: like Hollywood studios where they'll call him and now he's
Speaker 11: got a sculpt for the new whatever film that's coming out,
Speaker 11: you know. So he just floats around. So for us
Speaker 11: it's not like, oh, they're taking our sculptor.
Speaker 5: It's no. I mean, everybody can do what you do.
Speaker 5: You know, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to that episode yet and land Man,
Speaker 2: I just started watching it.
Speaker 3: So Philly Bob Thornton.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I remember those snakes.
Speaker 1: I watched that one. You guys ever do a black mamba?
Speaker 5: Black mom?
Speaker 1: Here's and kill Bill. There's a black mamba in there,
Speaker 1: but it's alive. But then there's like, obviously some of
Speaker 1: you guys work is not your work, but someone's work
Speaker 1: is in there.
Speaker 11: Might have been Gary at the time. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 11: not sure.
Speaker 2: I have to ask you about cloning, which I saw
Speaker 2: on your website it says inquire about cloning.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so.
Speaker 10: We don't obviously we don't do that in house. But
Speaker 10: there there's that company in Texas. It's called vi Agen.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, so this company in Texas called ViaGen.
Speaker 1: We we take them.
Speaker 11: They're amazing, I mean, they did great work, So we
Speaker 11: take the samples. We're just affiliates with them. We help
Speaker 11: them out and they help us out. So Cline will
Speaker 11: come in. The most important thing that is, you can't
Speaker 11: freeze the pet. So the pet will say your pet
Speaker 11: naturally passes away and you wanted to clone them. You
Speaker 11: can refrigerate them, but you can't freeze freeze the pet
Speaker 11: because it'll crystallize a sample and then won't be able to.
Speaker 5: Get the DNA.
Speaker 11: So that's that's one step that sometimes people kind of
Speaker 11: skip up on and then they won't be able to
Speaker 11: do the cloning. But we just take five samples, so
Speaker 11: it'll be channellly a couple from the ear, you know
Speaker 11: what I mean, small little samples and put them a
Speaker 11: little vials and we overn ad them to them. But
Speaker 11: because if we're doing the full preservation, we need to
Speaker 11: take those from specific hidden spots. So sometimes when the
Speaker 11: vet does it, they do it from like the top back,
Speaker 11: and then we get the you know, and then they want.
Speaker 1: To preserve their pets dimple, Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 11: And then they take huge samples when you only need
Speaker 11: like tiny little samples because they're not thinking about the preservation.
Speaker 11: They're just thinking about getting a good sample. So we
Speaker 11: take them from like the like for example, if I
Speaker 11: was to take from here, I had to go from
Speaker 11: like the inner hip.
Speaker 5: You can't see it.
Speaker 11: It's already tucked the inside of the ear really deep
Speaker 11: in the ear canal what you can't see it, you know,
Speaker 11: areas like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, have you ever done a pig getting suckled?
Speaker 1: Bal it's a little piglets.
Speaker 5: We do do the little peg within.
Speaker 1: I'd like that. Hey, you know, we have a big
Speaker 1: old pig getting suck but we have.
Speaker 2: Two fetuses in the freezer.
Speaker 1: You should give them to those guys there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve killed a pregnant sow in Texas a few
Speaker 2: years ago and then we vac sealed a couple of
Speaker 2: the Yeah we still.
Speaker 5: Do you people come.
Speaker 4: In just to gawk.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's tough because you're in the middle, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's working, but it's you know, it's nice.
Speaker 11: It's a compliment because people just want to Some people
Speaker 11: go into town and be like I heard about this place,
Speaker 11: and I'll just run around. The thing is nothing's roped
Speaker 11: off at our shop. So you can actually walk up
Speaker 11: to the polar bears, to the tigers, to the lions,
Speaker 11: and you know, just hang out with them, take a
Speaker 11: photograph with them whatever. It's not like a natural history
Speaker 11: museum where you're roped off with a scene in the background.
Speaker 11: Like now you can actually come in and feel what
Speaker 11: a bowler bear feels like.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you guys can pull this off with only
Speaker 1: six or seven people. I mean, who answers the phone?
Speaker 10: It's between him.
Speaker 1: You guys are like, yeah, well, we're.
Speaker 6: Working on everything.
Speaker 11: So it's I mean, we've had we've had some front
Speaker 11: desk people, but it's difficult because they go into their
Speaker 11: spiels so fast sometimes that there's a lot of there
Speaker 11: was a lot of relay, you know what I mean
Speaker 11: between like everything where especially when when they wanted a
Speaker 11: customs say, for example, and it just takes so long
Speaker 11: to get somebody trained up to really take on that
Speaker 11: position of knowing how to because you've got to be
Speaker 11: creative on the spot. They're gonna be like, hey, this
Speaker 11: deer's got to get hit, but he's got to have
Speaker 11: a hinge and his arms got a twitch at the end,
Speaker 11: and we need it like by Friday.
Speaker 5: So what do you got?
Speaker 11: And then you know, the front desk is just gonna
Speaker 11: be like my first day.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm new here. Let you go get as.
Speaker 4: Anyway ordering a pizza?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 11: So because of that, I'm like, you know what, just
Speaker 11: I'd rather just picking up be like, hey, yeah, we'll
Speaker 11: have it by Friday. It's this much, we'll do it
Speaker 11: with this whatever, servo will make a little clamp thing
Speaker 11: for it.
Speaker 5: Whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So it's kind of it's it's we need to
Speaker 10: train someone, but it's gonna it's gonna take months. You know,
Speaker 10: we tried, I mean, and it's it's it's very difficult.
Speaker 1: So at this point, if you had to, like if
Speaker 1: you had to pursue one path, the film business or
Speaker 1: the pet business, like which what are you more in
Speaker 1: love with?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 5: I love what the studios consistency of.
Speaker 1: But what's consistent Well, it used to.
Speaker 11: Be the studios, but then the strike starting to happen,
Speaker 11: then COVID started happening, so that that kind of made
Speaker 11: the industry go up and down, and then you got CGI,
Speaker 11: you got a I.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 11: I think at this point the smart move would be
Speaker 11: leaning towards this the you know here, towards this here,
Speaker 11: towards the studios, because it's.
Speaker 5: Fine and you're just doing cool projects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I can see that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that the pet getting pets stuffed or
Speaker 1: tax dermy or what tax dermy? What do you what
Speaker 1: word do you guys use, Like, what is the sort
Speaker 1: of line the graph line on pet preservation? Well, it's not,
Speaker 1: there's no way it's stable.
Speaker 10: No, well, I mean it's actually pretty, it's consistent and
Speaker 10: ground outside.
Speaker 1: And the last it's a graduate.
Speaker 10: It's last five years, it's been significantly Okay, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 11: I mean I think people think of the old ways
Speaker 11: of doing it because we got I mean we have
Speaker 11: mounts at the shop that were done dogs, I mean
Speaker 11: from the thirties and forties, these bad plaster just.
Speaker 1: Like newspapers coming out of the you.
Speaker 11: Can see Selthier just kind of like wire poking out
Speaker 11: the side and stuff. And I think people think of that.
Speaker 11: So I think until it gets ingrained in their mind
Speaker 11: that like you actually are going to get your pets
Speaker 11: to look like your pet, it's going to take time
Speaker 11: for people to see. And I think it's slowly starting
Speaker 11: to come out with social media and everybody being like,
Speaker 11: oh wait, actually that does look good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And also people now like more and more
Speaker 1: and more not that you get your relative stuffed, but
Speaker 1: people now more and more act like pets are are people. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying it's like a much more
Speaker 1: of a trend right now to have a dog and
Speaker 1: pretend it's like a person. But that's but that does
Speaker 1: that falls apart because you don't get people stuffed preserved.
Speaker 5: Some people do.
Speaker 1: Is that legal?
Speaker 5: I think I've seen it done a couple of times.
Speaker 5: Not in the US. Now we get calls for it.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, we don't know if someone's called it,
Speaker 10: if it's real or they just missing.
Speaker 6: With us, but they dust.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what do you say, just not our business?
Speaker 10: Not.
Speaker 11: I think there was a story of a girl who
Speaker 11: she cold, and I think she got it done. She
Speaker 11: was she had to get an arm amputable and she
Speaker 11: wanted to get a skeletal articulation of the arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people send us those pictures of their arm skeletons done.
Speaker 1: There was a guy had his finger.
Speaker 2: Done and his finger done and it was like the
Speaker 2: Michigan Hello, or it.
Speaker 1: Was he just had his finger on a pedestal. Okay,
Speaker 1: he had the stuffed preserved. But you don't want to
Speaker 1: do that work.
Speaker 11: That's not that way down. It's just you know, we
Speaker 11: just having this is not in our radar yet.
Speaker 8: Well you think it's you think it's stressful to have
Speaker 8: someone come in and look at the pet for the
Speaker 8: first time and be like.
Speaker 1: Nailed it, dude, your finger, you know what, damn or
Speaker 1: your uncle if you had your uncle done. You're like,
Speaker 1: I want him to look like he did when he
Speaker 1: was reading.
Speaker 8: And you're like, just so you know, we've never done
Speaker 8: this before.
Speaker 1: Tell you though, I'm blown away by the quality of
Speaker 1: that dog. I mean all like I know, we've been
Speaker 1: like having a couple of laughs about stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: just from a from a I mean from a technical
Speaker 1: like a technical standpoint, that dog is incredible.
Speaker 8: The minute I the minute I saw it, it changed
Speaker 8: my entire perspective on the idea of stuffing.
Speaker 10: A pet, right, Yeah, that's that's like instant.
Speaker 1: What you don't I guess what you don't have And
Speaker 1: it's and it's probably it's a it's a trade off.
Speaker 1: It's because it's so perfect. You can't get the soft
Speaker 1: you can't get the feeling of having stuffed it. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: because then it's not gonna you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like it's either like is it gonna be soft
Speaker 1: and squishy or is it gonna look like absolutely like
Speaker 1: a like a dog.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sometimes people want to do like a soft version
Speaker 11: of their pet things. We'll do it for television and film,
Speaker 11: but with a pet, it just won't last. So I
Speaker 11: see we get requests for it all the time, and
Speaker 11: I'm just like, you can't get the structure.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I guess people kind of love the thought of,
Speaker 10: you know, having their kind of like coddly pet. Like
Speaker 10: you're saying, floppy floppy. You know, it sounds good in theory,
Speaker 10: but yeah, when it comes down to the technicals and
Speaker 10: the durability and and and also looks, it's not gonna
Speaker 10: look bad, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: I think it's these hips, like for example, like you
Speaker 11: got this with these hips that those ten highs that
Speaker 11: are sitting in this room right now, you'd have to
Speaker 11: soak them to get a good stretch to be able
Speaker 11: to get full hips right, to get a soft hand.
Speaker 11: You can't soak them, So you're never gonna get that
Speaker 11: stretch to get to what to get a like if
Speaker 11: you have those soft hands to keep it soft and pliable,
Speaker 11: you can't get it wet.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Now you can see that bobcat back I wetted him
Speaker 1: and stretching back out. Rand or grab that bobcat.
Speaker 5: He's pretty stiff now.
Speaker 1: Or it's like it's a trade off either you either
Speaker 1: want to get them back like I put them back
Speaker 1: on the stretcher boar. Yeah, but feel it you can
Speaker 1: tell oh yeah, oh yeah yeah bummer.
Speaker 5: So that's the thing. It's like, yeah, it looks like
Speaker 5: a too. There's no structure. If you just stuff this
Speaker 5: for cotton mounting, you're just like, oh, here's a little
Speaker 5: look like.
Speaker 1: You got the wrong way, Randall, belly out, buddy, No
Speaker 1: show them spots. Yeah, it looks incredible. I would I
Speaker 1: would definitely see that. Like I get the point you're saying.
Speaker 1: If someone knew that they could have and I never
Speaker 1: I've never seen them alive. But I mean I look
Speaker 1: at enough dogs over the years. If someone knew that
Speaker 1: they could have a dog look that good, that they'd
Speaker 1: be more inclined to do it because they're probably picturing
Speaker 1: their mind, Like when you go into a pawn shop
Speaker 1: and there's like crazy looking we did a whole calendar
Speaker 1: called fucked Up Old taxidermy, Right, they're like picturing that
Speaker 1: I don't have my dog. Bug Eye.
Speaker 8: Sydney used to always talk about getting her our first
Speaker 8: dog stuffed.
Speaker 1: Preserved, preserved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, well he's he's ashes now.
Speaker 8: But I always I would always say to her, you're
Speaker 8: gonna walk in there and you're gonna look at his lip,
Speaker 8: and it's just gonna be like, you're never gonna get
Speaker 8: that dog lip right, And you know you spent twelve
Speaker 8: years like messing with his lips and face and like,
Speaker 8: you know it, so intimately it's got to look like
Speaker 8: that or else it's just alienating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my kid got a bear to spring,
Speaker 1: a nice bear, and I call him. Why did I
Speaker 1: call him about this? Oh? I know I was out
Speaker 1: of town, but I was talking to text terms and
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's the deal. Everybody always gets them growling
Speaker 1: like a rug. It's always that he's got his mouth
Speaker 1: wide open. And I'm like, I've come to a p
Speaker 1: I've done the same thing, but I've come to appreciate
Speaker 1: the closed mouth rug because when you see bears, and
Speaker 1: I've watched great many bears, they're generally not running around
Speaker 1: with their mouth. Okay, yeah that's true. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: so you could have it look like all the teeth
Speaker 1: and everything, or you could take my recommendation and we
Speaker 1: could get him with his mouth closed. How do you
Speaker 1: want it? What do you think? He said, he's fifteen.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done a pet in a in an
Speaker 1: aggressive posture?
Speaker 5: We got it.
Speaker 11: We got a request. And I can't name his name.
Speaker 11: He's a famous person, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he wanted his dog and it's aggressive.
Speaker 11: He has a cat, but it's somewhat of a wildcat,
Speaker 11: so I kind of understand it a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's a domestic look.
Speaker 11: It's like a Savannah cat mixed with I forgot savan
Speaker 11: of something else.
Speaker 5: And he wanted cat.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and he wanted it on a branch, but kind
Speaker 11: of aggressive, almost like it's gonna pounce on something.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna do it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Definitely? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who was it? Well? Tell me what tell me the
Speaker 1: tell me the initials. I'll tell you my initials are.
Speaker 8: I mean some of the charming pet cats is that
Speaker 8: they don't like you, right, like some of the pet.
Speaker 4: Cats that they come in and run away. So I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 1: But I would also picture just from a business standpoint,
Speaker 1: unless it's cost prohibitive, Like I'm guessing people are going
Speaker 1: to be people that are emotionally attached their pet are
Speaker 1: going to have a looser wallet than someone that's getting
Speaker 1: five or six things a year because they're a big hunter, right,
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at it differently. But I would picture
Speaker 1: that if someone wanted, like, like, I like river otters
Speaker 1: a lot, so I catch an otter. I would I
Speaker 1: could picture world in which I'm like, no, man, I
Speaker 1: want some bitch like that an otter. Are you doing
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff too?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think we're doing we're doing I mean, it's
Speaker 11: just a pelt, but a seal pelt, right now, that seal,
Speaker 11: that seal pelt. We're doing a couple of seal pelts
Speaker 11: for the Mammal Care Center. So we get calls too
Speaker 11: from nature centers and.
Speaker 1: What are you doing with seal pelts.
Speaker 5: They just wanted to preserve it as in an exhibit
Speaker 5: a high yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: A height like what's hanging around in here?
Speaker 10: Right, But it's going to be obviously freeze dry, so
Speaker 10: it's going to be stiffing on a board, you know,
Speaker 10: like on a nice board.
Speaker 1: Freeze drud, yeah, yeah, freeze dried hide.
Speaker 11: You know why that because we wanted to keep the
Speaker 11: the fins beautifully intact. You know, I didn't want to
Speaker 11: have to like recreate them in a poor matter where
Speaker 11: it's not keeping the structure the integrity of it, so
Speaker 11: that we kept the fins the bottom fins aside fit you,
Speaker 11: I mean, and then we laid it out flat. So
Speaker 11: now when you go to see it, you get the
Speaker 11: real anatomy of the actual fin and it's not just
Speaker 11: my version of it having not hung out with the seals.
Speaker 1: Can you hand that cat back over your mint rental? Yep? Sorry,
Speaker 1: Let's say I had a cat and I, uh, like,
Speaker 1: I have a cat, and I just skin it and
Speaker 1: flesh it, okay, and I send it to you, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it tanned. I just want
Speaker 1: to get it freeze dried. Is it all the same? Like,
Speaker 1: I just get it back and it's freeze dried, and
Speaker 1: I can hang it up for the rest of my
Speaker 1: life on the wall, pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you'd have to flesh it still, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it to you flesh and dried.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's flesh and dried.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, but you don't want to salt it
Speaker 11: because we don't we don't know, Okay.
Speaker 1: No, everything we do we flesh it goes on a
Speaker 1: wooden board. Well needs a flip, but no, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just beam. Yeah, yeah, it's like flesh and beam
Speaker 1: and then it goes to the tannery like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so does the world in which, like I said to
Speaker 1: you and I wouldn't have any shrinkage.
Speaker 11: No, you wouldn't have shrinkags. But it would be stiff.
Speaker 11: It wouldn't be nice and flopping like this.
Speaker 1: Stiff are stiff now maybe stiff? Still? Yeah, stiff was
Speaker 1: a board.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you'd lose all the it'd be like these ears.
Speaker 1: So that's not a good replacement.
Speaker 11: No, no, now you want to do it just a
Speaker 11: commercial tanner And yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, I was thinking about get excited for a
Speaker 1: minute there.
Speaker 8: I was thinking about different animals you get freeze dried,
Speaker 8: and I thought a big old.
Speaker 1: Beaver sitting there. That's what I think. The tails haze
Speaker 1: right now is doing a big fifty pounder. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: from the bust and with the bust, and really they
Speaker 1: want that big beaver done in a three point football stance.
Speaker 1: But it's a hefty beaver.
Speaker 8: But I'm just trying to picture freeze drying the tail
Speaker 8: because there's so much fat.
Speaker 5: But yeah, get rid of all that fat. You have
Speaker 5: to skin that tail out, tail out, get it all out.
Speaker 11: Take as much as you can, just leave, leave the
Speaker 11: best structure you can while still keeping the you know,
Speaker 11: removing all the making sure the integrity is still there.
Speaker 1: Is gonna laugh. Yeah. Now, I don't want to pry,
Speaker 1: but but I'm gonna help me out. But not like
Speaker 1: other than the prime. I want to pry, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I just like I'm sensitive of getting
Speaker 1: into it, like getting into big you know, Like someone's
Speaker 1: saying to me, like, so, what do you how much
Speaker 1: do you sell a book for? Yeah, it's like I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, dude, it's complicate question. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're telling you, help me understand what I'm looking
Speaker 1: at here with.
Speaker 6: This dog, probably around the range of.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, No, yeah, it's you kids told me
Speaker 1: eight and I would have been like it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought my mind went to ten.
Speaker 11: Yeah, three grand No, So it's we that's a lot
Speaker 11: of work, it is, but we we.
Speaker 10: Really know.
Speaker 3: Their prices.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know all around, like, yeah, do you
Speaker 1: have competitors?
Speaker 11: Not necessarily, I mean there's a guy on the East coast.
Speaker 11: He's great as a friend of ours.
Speaker 1: You send businesses a way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we've worked together.
Speaker 11: He's freezed out some stuff for us as well before
Speaker 11: yeah before, you know, years ago he used to freeze
Speaker 11: that stuff for us as well. He's the only other
Speaker 11: guy that really I think is really in the in
Speaker 11: the business, but he's way out east. So it's I mean,
Speaker 11: there's there's a lot of people everywhere. There's business for everybody.
Speaker 1: That's what That's kind of what I was getting at
Speaker 1: with why I thought the price be more is because
Speaker 1: I thought the price be more because it's there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a scarcity, yeah, or a special circumstance
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, definitely, I think, well, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: A very reasonable it's very economical, economical dog.
Speaker 10: That's why I think that's why we have a high
Speaker 10: volume of pets, because it's it's pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not gouging, you're not gouging.
Speaker 4: What about a hamster? What are we looking at?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: Twelve hundred, twelve nine hundred and twelve hundred bucks?
Speaker 4: Way more value in the dog?
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean the hamster is just it's
Speaker 11: more such, just because you've got to be slip easy.
Speaker 1: Here on a hamster slips easy.
Speaker 11: Well because they thought so quickly, you know. I mean,
Speaker 11: you know, you got your son and whoever that was
Speaker 11: mooring this little hamster or whatever it is, he's gonna he's.
Speaker 5: Gonna be crying for a while you're consoling them.
Speaker 11: And then by the time you bring the hamster in,
Speaker 11: if you didn't freeze right away, then we gotta do
Speaker 11: the skin, and we gotta do everything. And sometimes is
Speaker 11: you know, you gotta be careful with the slip it.
Speaker 11: You gotta do it fast.
Speaker 1: Now some party, you some party when a parent comes
Speaker 1: in with a hamster and they're like, little Jimmy's so
Speaker 1: upset about his hamster. Some party you has to be thinking, uh, well,
Speaker 1: little Jimmy is just gonna have to get over it.
Speaker 1: But that's bad for business. So you're just like, sure,
Speaker 1: bring it in.
Speaker 4: You don't have to say anything.
Speaker 5: It's fun, no, but it's you know, we get it.
Speaker 10: We get the attachment. Sure, you know, I have a dog.
Speaker 6: I'm attached and.
Speaker 1: You can do your own dog.
Speaker 10: Uh, probably something, you know, I'm not sure what, but
Speaker 10: I will definitely do something.
Speaker 6: You know, create some memorial for him.
Speaker 11: Really yeah, how about you yep, pets? Yeah, well I
Speaker 11: had a cat. It was eighteen years oldly he passed away.
Speaker 11: He passed away Memorial Day, just know yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but did you freeze it well.
Speaker 11: When he passed Yeah, yeah, it's you know, and we
Speaker 11: have the acclamation machine. Thing is he was already eighteen,
Speaker 11: He lost a little weight, he wasn't in his prime.
Speaker 11: So it's not like even if I wanted to preserve him,
Speaker 11: like you know, and I will advise people of that
Speaker 11: as well, Like if you come in and you got
Speaker 11: an old boy who's you know, not in the best shape,
Speaker 11: I'll tell you know, maybe that preservation might not be
Speaker 11: the best.
Speaker 5: Thing for you.
Speaker 1: And hunting, we'll say that would have been a nice
Speaker 1: buck next.
Speaker 5: Year, right, yeah, year years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Do you ever have people who want to fix things
Speaker 8: on their dog? Like when I've got labs, so by
Speaker 8: the time they're eight or ten, they're covered in lumps
Speaker 8: and you can usually see them. The people come in
Speaker 8: and like, could you just smooth that big fatty bulge.
Speaker 5: On the side of his ribs the tumors?
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, these are pets, So there's a lot
Speaker 11: of that.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of hair loss sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 11: The hardest thing is actually because we make the studio
Speaker 11: side with the f first stuff, they you know, iv
Speaker 11: e marks from the vet because when they do surgeries
Speaker 11: and stuff, they shave. Yeah, so we got to do
Speaker 11: a lot of the hair transfer work for flock and
Speaker 11: work that we do for the studio fake stuff, and
Speaker 11: we bring that over to the.
Speaker 1: You can make it if a dog had a shave surgery, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could try to get it back to where it
Speaker 1: looked right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's where we create the furd. He do that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, so we do you.
Speaker 1: How do you dye the fur? Like you got to
Speaker 1: take some hair and get it the right color.
Speaker 5: We having a ray of like a lot of fur
Speaker 5: and im it's short hair.
Speaker 11: We do this flocking method with longer fibers, like like
Speaker 11: this dog for example, say that ear was slippage, there
Speaker 11: was some slippage, we'd use long fibers.
Speaker 10: We'd just flock it block it. It's kind of electromagnetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, feel like there's would be so much information your
Speaker 1: guys heads that if all the people that worked there died,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna walk back in there. And fired his
Speaker 1: business back up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like a groad, like, if you're a mechanic,
Speaker 1: everybody could die, you're gonna find you know, other guys
Speaker 1: could come in and write, But on this I feel
Speaker 1: like the institutional knowledge.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just like just all that junk.
Speaker 11: And that's what's difficult too, even for us to find
Speaker 11: the right hands when we want to bring somebody else
Speaker 11: on is you know, because sometimes like I don't want
Speaker 11: to you know, we don't want to be doing everything
Speaker 11: all the time, you know what I mean. But there's
Speaker 11: times where I'm like, but it's got but it needs
Speaker 11: to look a certain way. So until I could find
Speaker 11: that hand that can do and we have some great hands,
Speaker 11: but until I can find all the pieces to make
Speaker 11: sure like that the quality quality controls everything, it's got
Speaker 11: to go out looking perfect every time, you know. So
Speaker 11: that's you know, so yeah, there's a fear of like
Speaker 11: we step away, who's gonna if you did?
Speaker 1: Right now? I'm sorry ahead, So.
Speaker 10: That's another kind of like a problem for expansion because
Speaker 10: we want to expand you know, we are expanding, we
Speaker 10: get whether we want or not.
Speaker 6: But the problem is sometimes.
Speaker 10: We're so overwhelmed with so much you know, work, that
Speaker 10: it's kind of we try to find, you know, like
Speaker 10: he says, the hands. But it's very difficult, you know,
Speaker 10: to to to find that person that's gonna you know,
Speaker 10: get it or or it's in stay you know and
Speaker 10: like it obviously, because you kind of have to, like
Speaker 10: you know what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 8: You can't just tell them to go watch a couple
Speaker 8: of YouTube videos to learn no, some techniques.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it helps if they watch a video,
Speaker 10: but it's all it's all handsome.
Speaker 4: Very specialized.
Speaker 1: Where where do you look, like, I bet you'll get
Speaker 1: from coming on here. You'll get resumes from people do
Speaker 1: but you probably get resumes all the time. And but
Speaker 1: but if you had to go look like if you
Speaker 1: had to find a higher I mean, I would assume
Speaker 1: you're going to look in the traditional tax Deurmy pathway, right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Joe, I think, Yeah, I mean Joseph was a
Speaker 11: great hire. He just came in out he was moving
Speaker 11: from Arkansas to California, and he walked in one day
Speaker 11: with a photograph of all his mounts. Good guy, straight up,
Speaker 11: stand up dude, and he just he's like look, check
Speaker 11: it out. Just moving out here. I'm gonna be out
Speaker 11: here soon. I think he was sad and he wanted
Speaker 11: to be a pastor. And now he's in a I
Speaker 11: hope he's a pastor in Iah. So he was there,
Speaker 11: He's talking me, I'm gonna be here for four years
Speaker 11: if it's okay with you. Here, here are my mounts.
Speaker 11: He was phenomenal, so talented.
Speaker 1: Great four years out of Arkansas.
Speaker 11: At Arkansas, stayed in Los Angeles, went to the Master
Speaker 11: Seminary or whatever it was, and then put in great work.
Speaker 11: And then we kind of taught him the studio side
Speaker 11: of it because he was he was more from the
Speaker 11: traditional tax tomy side of it. So it was like,
Speaker 11: but we got to rush this, you know what I mean,
Speaker 11: Like these are all you know, we do little tricks
Speaker 11: to kind of skip a lot of you know, because
Speaker 11: sometimes you gotta cut corners to make things happen for
Speaker 11: film that you wouldn't do with like a Honting mount.
Speaker 1: Because of the deadline.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So, but he was great, you know, but it's difficult
Speaker 11: to come across people like that who have that talent,
Speaker 11: natural skill, integrity, interineity. Just you don't even have to
Speaker 11: you just turn over and he's already doing the right thing.
Speaker 8: And there probably aren't that many people coming from taxidermy
Speaker 8: school that are like Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Right, that's where Yeah, that's the other thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of at least in our world,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are into taxi ermy, you know,
Speaker 1: are want to want to live in rural areas because
Speaker 1: they like to hunt. Frank that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: their clients are because they're doing hunting moons, you know,
Speaker 1: like like their bread and butter is white tailed. Do
Speaker 1: your shoulder mounts.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, well
Speaker 11: we'll get our mounts, but we get a lot out
Speaker 11: of state. You know, people still ring stuff in a
Speaker 11: like Colorado, New Mexico Brooks. Yeah, but just you know,
Speaker 11: all around California, we'll get some. It was a bit
Speaker 11: decent last year just because there was good rainfall, so
Speaker 11: it was a little bit better. But it's just a
Speaker 11: little four keys for the most part.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna but you'll do you'll do those too, yeah.
Speaker 5: Y yeah, yeah, yeah as well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, huh, how many hours you work a week depends well.
Speaker 6: Surprisingly it's pretty pretty normal schedule.
Speaker 10: You know. It's well, only when we have a certain
Speaker 10: project that is due and it's it's it's going to
Speaker 10: require you know, weekend or maybe.
Speaker 6: Long days nights.
Speaker 10: It happens, but we try to keep it as normal
Speaker 10: as we can.
Speaker 11: Yeah, our hours are pretty much NIGHTE to form and Friday,
Speaker 11: which are short hours. But if there's a big project
Speaker 11: that comes in, if it's worth it to stay, it's
Speaker 11: worth it to stay.
Speaker 1: And it's really never.
Speaker 10: A night to four, you know, we say four, but
Speaker 10: you're still there after, be there at five thirty, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're still able to keep some
Speaker 1: normal Yeah, with all that movie work, you're still to
Speaker 1: keep a normal life.
Speaker 6: Yeah we tried.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, man, what am I forgetting to ask you
Speaker 1: about you SHO would have asked you about trying to think.
Speaker 5: Freeze round fish? Now we don't know the fish.
Speaker 6: That fish, no fish, I thank you pretty much.
Speaker 10: Got it.
Speaker 1: Has won't touch fish either. Yeah, stuck on that.
Speaker 5: You know, they just you know what.
Speaker 1: He's got, what he you know, what he does, he's
Speaker 1: got what he does that he likes doing. And I
Speaker 1: think he was telling us. I think he was saying
Speaker 1: he's not a fish man and fish text him is
Speaker 1: weird now because there's no part of the fish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just like like you could there's there's no part
Speaker 1: of the fish.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 11: We have this guy, Robert, he was Roberts fish Mounts
Speaker 11: for years. I think he retired now, but we bought
Speaker 11: his whole old collection. So we have like a thousand molds.
Speaker 11: I mean you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Keeping all this stuff.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we have a little warehouse up north, I mean
Speaker 11: outside of the super expensive area, sway up north out
Speaker 11: of Los Angeles, and there's a sixteen foot whale mold. Yeah,
Speaker 11: like shark molds, you know, shark molds, I mean leather
Speaker 11: bag turtle like.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does she just walk into your warehouse? No? Non, just
Speaker 1: dig around looking for something you swear must be in there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we have them all marks. So everything's long.
Speaker 10: So everything it's kind of a twelve is.
Speaker 5: Going to be silicone.
Speaker 11: Whatever the salmon you know section you know, so it's
Speaker 11: that's all marked up.
Speaker 8: One question I had earlier was what is your store
Speaker 8: look like? Is it in like in an industrial park?
Speaker 8: Is it on a street that people walk up and down?
Speaker 8: Like where's the I'm just trying to picture in Hollywood.
Speaker 8: The text dermy shop, like do you get foot traffic?
Speaker 10: Do you? So it's kind of it's kind of are
Speaker 10: next to you. It's kinda mostly industrial area, but then
Speaker 10: we have a pathway for bikes and people walk there
Speaker 10: to right in front of the shop. So yeah, some people.
Speaker 10: Sometimes we have the you know, the roll up door open.
Speaker 10: They could see from across the street and they just
Speaker 10: look and come in like spars you know, their attention,
Speaker 10: you know, so they like just walk in and check
Speaker 10: it out. So we do get some foot foot traffic.
Speaker 10: People don't really walk out on the on the sidewalk,
Speaker 10: right there's really nobody walking on the sidewalk, but they
Speaker 10: have that pathway to walk, so that's where they.
Speaker 6: Yes, And there's a we're.
Speaker 10: Next to a city yard, La city yard, you know,
Speaker 10: one of those big yards where they keep the trucks.
Speaker 6: And and and then some other studios right there.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's there's a lot of studios kind of around there.
Speaker 11: It is kind of like an artsy somewhit artsy area,
Speaker 11: but it's not in the business.
Speaker 5: It's not like in Hollywood.
Speaker 11: It's Northalk, so you have a little bit more open
Speaker 11: in the more industrial space. And then and my buddy's
Speaker 11: next door mary door gym, So it is like it's
Speaker 11: like an m M A gym, which is easy because
Speaker 11: then I can go from here and I can go
Speaker 11: work out there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, dude, I get over there every couple of years
Speaker 1: on to come in and say, yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, I would love to come check it out.
Speaker 1: We should have done this there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought.
Speaker 1: We know, we kicked around trying to come to your place,
Speaker 1: but just like scheduling was kind of hard, just a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of we' said, a lot of
Speaker 1: travel this summer and stuff going on, but our original
Speaker 1: intension was to record in your place.
Speaker 6: Well, next time.
Speaker 2: We're there, we'll just we'll tack it on to a
Speaker 2: schedule and we'll do another episode.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, that'd be great. We'll come out there and
Speaker 1: do a thirty minutes. Yeah, man, I'll tell you though,
Speaker 1: I can't bring it up enough. That dog is unbelievable, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. It's a really nice I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: you guys are good sports about having some you know,
Speaker 1: about having a couple of laughs. The Holy ship Man.
Speaker 1: The dog speaks for itself that's why it's it's incredible looking.
Speaker 8: Yeah, We've had a lot of strange objects and things
Speaker 8: passed through the studio, and this is like there's like
Speaker 8: a power to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dog, I wish you could leave that dog here,
Speaker 1: but probably not a good idea.
Speaker 10: It could work something out.
Speaker 3: Rental.
Speaker 1: Oh do you guys have uh do you guys have
Speaker 1: cats and dogs in your rental area?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Sometimes they'll down and hide or whatever
Speaker 11: it is if they just.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the neighbors. You know, I got a neighbor's cat
Speaker 10: that you know, died and he said, you know, take it.
Speaker 10: Maybe I'll see it in a movie some someway, you know.
Speaker 10: Sometimes perfect it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys ever grab stuff from the side of
Speaker 1: the road that looks interesting?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 10: No, No, but usually it's it's really uh beat up,
Speaker 10: you know, it's like run over and it's guts everywhere,
Speaker 10: So it's not Yeah.
Speaker 4: You just go to those inspiration movie work exactly.
Speaker 5: Photographing. Yeah, that's gonna be this. It's actually I think
Speaker 5: it's illegal in California.
Speaker 1: It is, well, I don't know, because a lot of
Speaker 1: states have been making it that you can there's been
Speaker 1: an odd trend there's there's two trends that sort of
Speaker 1: surprise me and cultural hunting. Cult hunting, culture trends, that's
Speaker 1: not the right word, hunting legal trends. One trend is
Speaker 1: to let kids hunt younger and younger and younger. Right,
Speaker 1: that seems that seems like counter than what would actually happen.
Speaker 1: You could picture that they would make it that they
Speaker 1: had to be older and older and older, like make
Speaker 1: it more strict. But there's a tendency that let kids
Speaker 1: to let it be a family decision. There's also a
Speaker 1: surprising tendency to loosen roadkill salvage laws rather than make
Speaker 1: them more strict. Interesting, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: if you if you said to someone who didn't follow this, like,
Speaker 1: do you imagine over the years it became more strict
Speaker 1: or less strict to pick up roadkill? They would go
Speaker 1: absolutely more strict because everything's more strict. Sure always Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they like like our state where we're at right now,
Speaker 1: used to I mean I would do it anyways. My
Speaker 1: friends are doing it anyways as civil like civil disobedience.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to bring up, like rolls of parks,
Speaker 1: but like civil disobedience to like pick up deer and
Speaker 1: eat them, because you'd be like guilty as charged like
Speaker 1: a dead deer. The guy in front of.
Speaker 4: Me him, you know what's the problem with Thatways, now.
Speaker 1: You can right, yeah, we're our said, remember that whole area.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: It was like state after state Oregon. I think maybe
Speaker 1: state after state after state said Okay, if someone hits
Speaker 1: it and you want to put it to use, you
Speaker 1: just got a call, and which makes total sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5: I agree, because anybody, you think, anybody tries.
Speaker 1: To purposely truck it, that's what you know, what they
Speaker 1: thought of here because here you have here, you have
Speaker 1: we have a lot of large like a lot of
Speaker 1: somewhat rare large mammals. And so there's some that are exempt,
Speaker 1: meaning like take like a big horn sheep, a bighorn sheep,
Speaker 1: like a big mature big horn sheep ram is going
Speaker 1: to have a lot of value, would have a lot
Speaker 1: of black market value. And so they're they're they're not
Speaker 1: part of the roadkill rule. It's just the more common stuff,
Speaker 1: dear elk moose, like you know, more sort of like
Speaker 1: so you know, common animals, high food value, but they've
Speaker 1: pulled out some of the stuff that they don't want
Speaker 1: to give people a reason to act like they got
Speaker 1: in their truck, meaning like, oh, I road killed a mountain.
Speaker 5: Go.
Speaker 1: They're like, you road killed a mountain, go, So you
Speaker 1: can't there's no excuse to have certain animals. I think
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, but it's like they don't want to create
Speaker 1: a pathway for you to have certain rare animals in
Speaker 1: your possession by claiming that whatever happened to them. There's
Speaker 1: probably some part of the thinking on it. The other
Speaker 1: part of it which is interesting here. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it's true in other states. Take the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You can't pick and choose. So our buddy Yanni, he
Speaker 1: had a road killed moose, big critter. You can't gut
Speaker 1: it on the side of the road like when you
Speaker 1: take it, you take it. So you got that whole
Speaker 1: son of a bitch has to be loaded onto a trailer.
Speaker 1: You can't just go get the parts you want. You
Speaker 1: can't just get like the good meat and leave it
Speaker 1: laying there. They're like, nope, holding moose, which de incentivizes
Speaker 1: some you know, you got to go get a flat
Speaker 1: bed trailer.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and a lot of help.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make it a little bit hard, but picture
Speaker 1: if not, you just jump out of your truck and
Speaker 1: pull the gourmet cuts and then you get like a
Speaker 1: butcher moose on the side of the Yeah, that'd make
Speaker 1: for an interesting drive. You know, you're like watching dudes
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, watching dudes on the
Speaker 1: side of the road.
Speaker 5: Do that road chefs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, I'm glad you guys came. Man, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 10: Respect for all that.
Speaker 1: It's such a cool business, so unique appreciate it. How
Speaker 1: often do TV shows call you guys wanted to do
Speaker 1: like a reality show about your shop?
Speaker 5: All the time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you say?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: At the point, yeah, they just finish each other's thought there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good job, there was no you finished.
Speaker 5: She was right.
Speaker 1: So you get calls and they're like, hey, we want
Speaker 1: to do a reality show and blah blah blah, people
Speaker 1: crying about their pets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just about the shop and the whole thing.
Speaker 11: And it's just the reality world is a is a
Speaker 11: wild world where they just infiltrate on your personal life
Speaker 11: so much. And I like to keep my personal life personal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And also I think it'll inhibit a lot of
Speaker 6: our you know, every day.
Speaker 1: You think.
Speaker 5: For sure it would.
Speaker 10: Kind of slow down our you know, production or process everything.
Speaker 11: So and then trade secrets like it's been. The shop
Speaker 11: has been around since nineteenth too. There's a lot of
Speaker 11: stuff that stays within those walls. So I don't want
Speaker 11: to be the guy that exposes everything after over one
Speaker 11: hundred years of the company. But hey, guys, I want
Speaker 11: to make a little bit of money and show my
Speaker 11: face off so that, you know, and ruin the whole business.
Speaker 5: You know, it's bigger than.
Speaker 4: Us on the pet side of things. It's so sensitive
Speaker 4: it is. It's like if you had a funeral home
Speaker 4: and something approach to.
Speaker 8: The other funeral home would probably get stricking a lot
Speaker 8: more clients.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go get waivers for everybody. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: your your uncle's part of a reality TV show. Can
Speaker 1: you shine your camera crew just sitting there for the paper.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, yeah, I could totally picture it. I'm
Speaker 1: not at all shocked that you guys get That's got
Speaker 1: to be half your phone calls as people wanted to picture.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks for coming in again, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come visit your shop.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it anytime.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Krim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I mean, Krim books, all the guests, but this one, this.
Speaker 2: One was, this was it wasn't my idea. I didn't
Speaker 2: see that article first. That was Berkman.
Speaker 3: This is I'm really glad it happened.
Speaker 4: Trophy guests.
Speaker 1: That's the way to the trophy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And shouldn't you ever wind up with a cat or
Speaker 1: dog that doesn't have a home, we would be happy
Speaker 1: to take it off your hands.
Speaker 5: I'll send you something.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe are you gonna send your dog
Speaker 1: down when it passes? I mean, I would be cool,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You got a couple of years
Speaker 1: to figure it out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got a couple of years figured out hopefully.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Man, Uh, if you get a box from Seth, keep
Speaker 1: it cold, all right. Thank you, Thank you,