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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the bec Del Cast. Hello, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Vital Cast. Hi. Why who is Jamie London? My

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Speaker 1: name is Cala Darante. This is our show. This is

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Speaker 1: our podcast about the betrayal of women. Did a betrayal? Betrayal?

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Speaker 1: Which I think it's not too far off. I'm depending

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Speaker 1: on the movie. Most movies betray Usually it's about the

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Speaker 1: betrayal of women. Yes, um, anyways, this is the show.

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Speaker 1: It's if you're your first time listening. Hey, welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: If you like Gremlin's the movie we're discussing today, probably

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Speaker 1: sorry and yes, because we will be talking about both

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Speaker 1: the portrayal of women in the movie and the betrayal

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Speaker 1: of women in the movie. T FW, your dad Bryce's

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Speaker 1: That was a twist I totally forgot about. Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it anyways. Uh So, we critique the portrayal

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Speaker 1: of women in famous movies using the Bechdel test as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point, the Bechdel Test being a media

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Speaker 1: metric created by Alison Bechdel in the nine eighties. Uh

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Speaker 1: and uh, Caitlin, what is it? I'm fucking dummy? I

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy to remind you that the Bechdel test

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Speaker 1: that conversation cannot be about men. Wouldn't you know? A

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Speaker 1: lot of movies do not pass this very simple test

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Speaker 1: is a very low bar shocks I know. Well, that

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Speaker 1: was that we're in the We're in the holiday episodes? Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: we certainly are. When are we gonna do a Crazy Nights?

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Speaker 1: You know what? We should? Because there are very few

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Speaker 1: movies about Hanakah or any other which is going to

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Speaker 1: There's so much wrong with it. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah. Anyway, so well, that didn't pass the

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Basically, because every major religion focuses on

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Speaker 1: general does not actually pass the Bechdel test. But any who,

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Speaker 1: here we are the podcasts, this is it. Let's should

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, our guest today. She is a TV writer,

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Speaker 1: the podcast Mission to Zix Mujan sol Fagari. Happy to

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Speaker 1: be here. Hi, that went too high, just just like

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Speaker 1: a gremlin. Oh I can I can? I just realize

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Speaker 1: really good giz really born to do gizmo. You should

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Speaker 1: have been cast instead of Howie Mandel. Wait what are ope? Wow? What?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where else where to fall on that?

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Speaker 1: That is good? Wow girl, wow? Hire this woman to

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Speaker 1: your history relationship with the movie. So I've never seen

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Speaker 1: do the recap? Yeah, let's go for it. Okay, So Gremlins,

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Speaker 1: lot of them are just racist. But the neighbor character

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Speaker 1: is the most overtly racist. Um and there's so much

422
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: coding in this movie, which will which see the references

423
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: and when we can get into but the neighbor is,

424
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, like literally implying that I think people from

425
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: Asian cultures are putting gremlins in cars, and like the

426
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: title of the movie comes from this like bizarro racist

427
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: rant from the neighbor, which later becomes a town wide

428
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: accepted word for what they are. And it's just I

429
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: can't tell if audience is supposed to think that's funny.

430
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: Well maybe also, I mean that character ends up being

431
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: killed and so that and like the villainous Lady were

432
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: killed but created in such a way that people the

433
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: audience would hate them. So maybe they were intended to

434
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: be this racist, so their death would it would be

435
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: more comical than us having any empathy for their death.

436
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: I was confused about that because but then they also

437
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: killed Santa, and you're like, and then they try to

438
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: kill like Billy's mom, so they're they're like, they killed

439
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: the biology dude, So they're in first Steth I think too,

440
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: which is like one of the only people of color

441
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: in the movie, of course, is the first to die. Well,

442
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: there's some historical context to like the gremlin word, which

443
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: is it's from like I think we're all one or

444
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: World War two, which is like that's the word that

445
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: they would use explain why so many planes were falling

446
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: or there were so many technical errors. Is the idea

447
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: that these mysterious like demons or something are messing things up?

448
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: So but Chris Coope, Carter Carter, Chris Coop, Carter Columbus,

449
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna each time I mess it up. He

450
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: apparently wrote it based off of the mice in his

451
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: living room. Yeah, but then he probably also any inherent

452
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: racism and may I've had I don't know, I'm just

453
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm just right. Well, I mean that's a tricky thing

454
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: with this where it's like he it seems pretty well

455
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: accepted now. And I honestly wasn't familiar with this reading

456
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: of the movie and felt silly once I started to

457
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: read about it, because the second you read about you're like, oh,

458
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: of course, I'm a fucking idiot, Like yeah, and it's

459
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: it's confusing a little bit because you're just it's it's

460
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that Chris Coop Carter Columbus did

461
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: not fully understand it was being an ignorant dumbass by

462
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: doing this. But then there are certain moments like with

463
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: the neighbor, where it's like you couldn't not know what

464
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: you were saying there, but maybe he thought he was

465
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: playing it for last. I don't know, Like it's just

466
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's just so much inherent racism and

467
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: people white people of this time that they're you know,

468
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: coding things certain ways, which because also the movie has

469
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: been criticized for coding the Gremlins as black youth and

470
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Speaker 1: playing into negative black stereotypes. That's like the big right.

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Speaker 1: So this comes from a blog post that I and

472
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: on the Internet ever heard of it. The blog post

473
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: is entitled the Racism We Never Noticed in Gremlins, and

474
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Speaker 1: this is by WordPress user Vegan Mystical Says in Ceramic Uncles.

475
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: In Celluloid Mammy's Patricia Turner writes that the Gremlins quote

476
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: reflect negative African American stereotypes in their dress and behavior.

477
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: They are shown devouring fried chicken with their hands, listening

478
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: to black music breakdancing and wearing sunglasses after dark and

479
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: newsboy caps, a style comment among African American males in

480
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. I recently ordered that book. I haven't

481
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: read it yet, but I am really interested to read

482
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: this book by Patricia Turner Ceramic Uncles and Celluloid Mammies

483
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: um in that same in that same piece because I

484
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: read it as well, there was an interesting commentary that

485
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on, just strictly due to lack

486
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: of historical knowledge, specifically about that first scene where the

487
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: white man purchases uh like black coated character from the

488
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Speaker 1: from the Asian coded store. Okay, it reads as a

489
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: side note Asian characters, particularly Chinese, were grossly stereotyped in

490
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Speaker 1: the eighties films. As wise, I'm sourcerer types like we

491
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: just discussed from Gremlin's Karate Kid, kung Fu, etcetera. Moreover,

492
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: Asians also owned slaves and tended to side with white

493
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: supremacy and the color of success. Asian Americans and the

494
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: originals of the model minority land Wou explains, quote Chinese

495
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: immigrants and their children needed to be fully integrated into

496
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: American society unquote, and did so by sacrificing unique cultural

497
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Speaker 1: customs and engaging in American quote assimilation at the level

498
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: of full equality of social, economic, and political participation unquote.

499
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: So again, we don't really have any insight into where

500
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: the funk this scene comes from, but there's a lot

501
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: of readings of it that make it this very sinister

502
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: historical I wonder if twenty four year old Chris Carter

503
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Cooper Columbus intended this, you can't find. The thing is

504
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: that the thing I've been most frustrating is you can't

505
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: find any evidence that he has spoken about this in

506
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: public or even considered it a legitimate criticism. Where it's like,

507
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: if you wrote this in your twenties and you're an

508
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: ignorant ship, then the absolute least you can do is

509
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: cop to it later, acknowledge it and be like, whoops off, Yeah,

510
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a cool thing. Now, like

511
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: a mystical Asian dude selling the cute little furry animal

512
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: without realizing the huge implications right, Like, you know, because

513
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: there were so many movies like this with directors who

514
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: are alive well and still working at a very high level,

515
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: and it's the very, very fucking least you can do

516
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: is acknowledge that you were either being outwardly hateful or

517
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: we're really copying to these gigantic, ignorant blind spots. So,

518
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Chris Columbus, you're on notice. There's all so a moment

519
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: from the movie Dear White People, where a professor says

520
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: to Tessa Thompson's character, might I also remind you that

521
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: I read your entire fifteen page unsolicited treatise on why

522
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Gremlins is actually about suburban white fear of black culture,

523
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: and Tessa Thompson's character Sam White responds, the gremlins are loud,

524
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: talking slang, are addicted to Fred Chicken, and freak out

525
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: when you get their hair wet. Basically, I want to

526
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: read this fifteen page documents. Yeah, I feel like because

527
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: as as an outsider, foreigner human, I had the kind

528
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: of the same reaction to it too, where I felt

529
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: like Gizmo Maguai was the idea of becoming westernized. Like

530
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't break these rules, if

531
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: you stay within what we believe you should be as

532
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: an American, you're fine. But if you bring any outside

533
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: influence or outside things or changes in any way or come, Yeah,

534
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: the idea of like outside influence and you're breaking those

535
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: rules and you become gremlins, and you're scene as an

536
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: intruder to American society, right, so you shouldn't try and change.

537
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, so yeah, for sure, like an adverse

538
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: reaction to it was so cute and it's resting because

539
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: like Gismos like whatever, the cutie that everyone remembers from

540
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: the movie. But it's like you just sort of see

541
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: in that character a level of like just complicitness and

542
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: willingness to play ball with the problematic white protagonists of

543
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: the movie. And Spielberg actually wanted to keep Gizmo in

544
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: the whole movie. Originally Gizmo turns into a gremlin, but

545
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: people were like, we need like a pal, We need

546
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: like a fun little site character that we reminded of

547
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: how cute everything is. So it worked. It did this movie.

548
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this it's it's a hard wash, right

549
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: because like the connotation of that then becomes, oh, well,

550
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: like we've got this like cute thing that comes from

551
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: this exotic, mystical culture that white people don't understand, and

552
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: it's cute at first, but then it spawns these evil

553
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: things and it's like the message that that sends is

554
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: and the fact that it literally starts with a purchase,

555
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: and like a negotiation on a purchase is so sinister

556
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: and basically a colonized purchase, like you're taking it without

557
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: being allowed to because yeah, right, because the elder guy

558
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: in the shop is like, it's not for sale. But

559
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: then the sun is like like the grandson or there's

560
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: a younger kid there and he's like, no, we need

561
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: the money, like well we'll take it and here here

562
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: you go. But yeah, like the wise old guy is

563
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't have this. But even though the wise

564
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: old guy is such a stereotypes just like everything is

565
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: just it's just a fucking yes. All those movies in

566
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: the eighties had this guy or had this like the

567
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: magical Asian like whoo, which is like for Asian actors,

568
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: and people have called like cool, we get roles. But

569
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, not the roles that

570
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: are helping us, right, they're just perpetuating. Yeah, although stereotypes

571
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and all of that racism. And that's the first scene

572
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: in the movie. It's just like it it's upsetting. And

573
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: then I mean Chris Columbus to speak of his catalog

574
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: Gremlins is the first movie he writes, and then he

575
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: goes on to write other like The Goonies, which I

576
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a while, but if you do even

577
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of reading about the Goonies, it has

578
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: many similar problems with race and it's just God and

579
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: then the two words Harry Potters, so it's you know,

580
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: funck him. You know, part of me wants to at

581
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: least hope that, like these filmmakers didn't intentionally set out

582
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: to portray these racist stereotypes and do all this racist coding.

583
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: But again, because just racism is so ingrained into white

584
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: people and society in America as a whole, they probably

585
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: didn't intentionally set out to do this, but they did

586
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: it anyway just because of the systematic racism. Yeah, it

587
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: would be different story if a movie like this came

588
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: out or we set up in the way it was

589
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: came out today. But then I'm just like, I trust

590
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: no bitch in regards to issues like this, because then

591
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: you find the George Lucas document that's like, no, I know,

592
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: he's a rapist, but he's the hero. I wish you

593
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: were more of a rapist. And so there are examples

594
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: of like movies of this era with creators knowing full

595
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: well what they're doing and doubling down kind of for

596
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: no reason other than the fact that they can and

597
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: they think it's funny or cool or whatever the funk

598
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: is going through these I don't know, it's or they

599
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: just like needed backstory for this animatronic idea that they

600
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: got like right right and make it Asian and it's

601
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: just like goodness gracious. Um, well, so that's that. Um.

602
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about the female characters, which one come anywhere? There? Well,

603
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: there are three three. We've got missult, Miss Gulch, We've

604
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: got the Mom, and we've got Kate. There's also, um

605
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: the one that Miss Steagle talks to in the beginning

606
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: of movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's on screen for that

607
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: one scene. And we'll we'll talk about that later whenever

608
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: we discuss whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test.

609
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: But um, okay, so let's start with Kate. UM. I

610
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: would argue that she is an example of a female

611
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: character in a movie that you can remove from the

612
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: script and the movie is virtually unchanged. I agree, the

613
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: story would play out basically the same exact way because

614
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: there's nothing that she does that advances the story or

615
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: changes the direction of the story. Um, she's basically a

616
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: sidekick to Billy who does nothing. Sir, could you take

617
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Billy out of the movie. Also, like, I don't this

618
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: whole Like, I don't know, this is like a weird

619
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: not to give. I know we're talking about Kate now,

620
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: but there's like all this getting back to sort of

621
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: like the failed class commentary of this is. I mean,

622
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I don't think this movie even remotely meant to make

623
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: this point, but it's like, oh yeah, like very often

624
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: all white communities that are middle class can be very racist.

625
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what the movie is trying to

626
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: say at all. But like with Kate, we have like

627
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: a working girl character who it's weird because she checks

628
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot of like boxes that I'm looking to get checked,

629
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: where we know what she does for a job. We

630
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: know she feels strongly about at least two things, which

631
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: is that she does not like Christmas and she would

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Speaker 1: like to save this bar. Uh. We know unfortunately, we

633
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: know a little bit about her back history, which is

634
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

635
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: But you can you're totally right. She can be removed

636
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: very easily. It's it's confusing to me that that we

637
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: do know so much about her given how little impact

638
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: she has on the plot, right, and then she is

639
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: essentially there to serve as the romantic interest for Billy

640
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: and to get a little kiss at the end. Right.

641
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk a little bit about that,

642
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: because they are called leagues and friends at the beginning

643
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: of the movie somewhere I'd stay around. Halfway through, Billy

644
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: asks Kate out on a date, and I've seen that.

645
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: I think it's fairly well handled because he's clear about

646
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: his intentions and you don't hear people ask ask for dates,

647
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: but he literally says, hey, if you're not doing anything

648
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: this Thursday, i'd I was wondering if you'd like to

649
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: go on a date with me? Like the language that's

650
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: he's there, I appreciate because I can't tell you how

651
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: many times the guy's been like, hey, do you want

652
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: to hang out sometime? And it's like, okay, in what context?

653
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: What do you mean? And then they're like I don't

654
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: know this, just like whatever, like when just hang out

655
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, are you asking me out on

656
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: a date? I need to know this, and it's remarkable.

657
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: It's been a year. I don't understand what's happening, right,

658
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't understand why you're asking me

659
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: to define something together. Okay, we have a child, we're married.

660
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Are we in a relationship? We're married there, yeah,

661
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so many examples of like already

662
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: being in the middle of a meal and then being like,

663
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a date to this person, right, yeah,

664
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: So I don't know if just anyone who's asking anyone

665
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: else for a date, be clear about your intentions for Billy,

666
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: but Billy, also be clear about your age, be like,

667
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: just go on a date. I am also blank years

668
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: old and ten? Is that okay? Are you ten? Are

669
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you funny? Are you thirty? We don't like the movie Jack. Also,

670
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm Benjamin Button bej Um. And then she says he

671
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: asks her out for a date. She says I'd love

672
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: to and he's like, okay, yeah, that's great. We can

673
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: square away the details on the phone, and it's just like, okay,

674
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: I appreciated how that happens. But then later on they're

675
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: fighting the gremlins in the department store and then he

676
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: just like out of nowhere, kisses her, like there was

677
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: no lead up to that. I feel like he does say,

678
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: like go look for lights, and then they kiss. He

679
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: gives her a task, and that gets everyone horned up.

680
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I simply cannot feel sexual feelings unless I'm given a

681
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: job to get a task. If I'm not caring for someone,

682
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: am I relevant to the world. Well, speaking of care,

683
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: so like after the battles have happened between you know,

684
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: Billy and the Gremlins, Gizmo is there and like he

685
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: gets kind of wrapped up and he's like, here, caregiver woman,

686
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: take care of this thing while I go off and fight.

687
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: So that was cute. Well there's also uh, oh, you

688
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: know what, let's take a break. Let's take a break

689
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk more. Very very organic break take

690
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and we're back. I'm sorry, I just snowplowed to you.

691
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: People do dive via snowplow on this most snow. That's true.

692
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's exists in the story to basically be

693
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: the cute girl that Billy likes and serves really no

694
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: other function. We're talking about Kate. She's like the yeah,

695
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the perfect girl. Next door who is just always there

696
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: for him whenever he needs them. And then all these

697
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: movies too, it's just like the white male, geeky nerd

698
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: savior who gets the hottest girl in town or the

699
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: only girl in town. I don't know. That's like, at

700
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: least it's not as bad as a John Hughes movie,

701
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: but it's still like, really, Billy has no skills. He

702
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: is a nice boy. He's not like a you don't

703
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: know his demon backstory ten and that's what he hasn't

704
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: said yet, right you. Unlike a lot of male heroes

705
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: in movies, especially from this area era but also still today,

706
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: they carry so much like toxic masculinity and machiesmo and Billy,

707
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: to this movie's credit, is not like that. He has

708
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: no skill except that he can draw comics. He can draw,

709
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: He draws, and he counts money and he I mean, hey,

710
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: neither is a crime. And he hangs out with little

711
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Corey Fellmon, which is actually a crime. We're not sure

712
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: how old he is. I just wanted to point out

713
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: in regards to the mom scenes, so we don't know

714
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: a lot about the mom other than she's a mom

715
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: and so we see her. She'd be cooking a lot.

716
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: She's supporting her mediocre husband. She's very supportive in a

717
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: way that's like there's there's something going on, Like she's

718
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: like the most supportive person, Like, honey, I'm like, this

719
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: thing is broke. She's like, Oh, don't worry, honey, that's great.

720
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: Here's your dad's another and invention made Like I feel

721
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: like if she just said it, if she acted it

722
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: out and just like a little slight or more annoyed way,

723
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: we totally get the backstory of this family. Want Yeah,

724
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's see her without xanax and see like

725
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: what happened. But I feel for her because I'm like,

726
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: your husband is a dud dude. He can't even crack

727
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: an egg. He's a doric loser. He seems to be

728
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging money by pursuing his dreams and by dropping two

729
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: d on these mystical pets just to get a gift

730
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: that he didn't consult his wife about. Like he just

731
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: assumes she would also be okay with this maguai furry

732
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: character being in the house an unknown species that we

733
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: don't understand how it is to take care of. You

734
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: just assume you're coming to a manual with scary sounding rules.

735
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: Take care of it when your son's at the bank.

736
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: And also high school or elementary school, like you don't know,

737
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: there's the or college or grad school. This is a

738
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: great time to mention that I do have a master's

739
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: degree in script writing from Boston University. But any time

740
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: current them. Okay, the what I wanted to talk about

741
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: was the mom fighting scene. This is a very typical

742
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: scene of this era, but also kind of still of

743
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: almost any era, where you know, it's like a woman

744
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: is fighting and she's defending herself and she is to

745
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: some extent victorious, even though she ultimately needs to be

746
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: rescued uh and is immediately handed off to a man

747
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: and is like she's give her literally just handed up

748
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: like shoved into him and then by bye mom. Rest

749
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: of movie. But but the thing we've talked about a

750
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: lot on this show is the only weapons she has

751
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: are domestic weapons. She's only allowed to defend herself using.

752
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: She has a knife, but it's when she was just

753
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: using to cook. She kills him using a blender. She

754
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: kills him using a microwave, like their every way she

755
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: has to defend herself. As impressive as it looks and

756
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: is our domestic tools. And also when you take in

757
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: the whole racial issue with this whole movie, it's a

758
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: domestic white woman absolutely slaughtering a bunch of white character.

759
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: So that is actually not as triumphant, and it's just

760
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's a mess. It's not. I came

761
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: into this being like, oh man, that seems pretty cool,

762
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh yeah, never mind, Yeah, you're right,

763
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: peel back those layers, and then you realize us. And

764
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: then and then contrast that with so, as you mentioned, Jamie,

765
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: she does need to be saved, so she kills three

766
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: of the four grandmans who attack her. So she kills

767
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: the first three, but then a fourth one comes at

768
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: her and she can't fight it off from the tree

769
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: and she can't fight it off, So then Billy shows

770
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: up and saves her, and he while she has been

771
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: using the blenders and the microts and the kitchen appliances,

772
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: he comes in, grabs the sword off the wall, hits

773
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the Groundlin with the sword, and launches it into the fire.

774
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: So these are like very typical, like manly, like actual

775
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: weapons that he uses to defeat the Groundlinds with. And

776
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: then by contrast, she has used these like very domestic,

777
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: typically feminine, and Katie U the in dress, Yes, she

778
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: was using a camera like very like not very violent,

779
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: but veryistic womanly. And I suppose there's an argument to

780
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: be made for like, Okay, so she is resourceful, she's

781
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: using what she has at her disposal. But but the

782
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: fact that we see the again and again. We talked

783
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: about this in the Halloween episode with um the Lori

784
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: Stroke character using like clothing hangers and knitting needles to

785
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: try to fight off a killer, and then Indiana Jones

786
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: star she uses a frying pan to hit a guy

787
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: over the head with a lot of frying box and

788
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: the history of cinema. You know, I've tried and it

789
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: doesn't work really well. You'd have to get like a

790
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: cast iron skillet, like a really heavy like iron skillet.

791
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, so but yeah, so we see this again

792
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: again and or the other option. If a woman is

793
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: fighting men usually or anything, it's usually like a female

794
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: action hero who wraps her legs and her crotch around

795
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: a guy's face and then like the body slams. And

796
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: also the idea that they can only defend themselves to

797
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: a certain point, like they can't fully defend themselves. They

798
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: always need to be saved Halloween too. Not in Halloween,

799
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: they can give them thirty more seconds. They would have

800
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: figured out a solution. I didn't need to be there,

801
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: but they always Yeah, but it's always so. Even though

802
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't have like the typical macho male hero,

803
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: it does like fall into the many trappings of these,

804
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: like well, the man still has to stay able. Woman

805
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: and mom kill only fight using mom stuff. And then

806
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: later on he blows up a movie theater with like

807
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: this big explosion, which is again a very like macho

808
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: manly way to defeat something. And then Kate's just like,

809
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what did here's a camera. Yeah. Also,

810
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: my dad dressed up in Santa and then died. I

811
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: can't get over it. I wish she'd had more of

812
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: those soliloquies, just like more backstory. What if all of

813
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: her family members had died in a horrifying way, dressed

814
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: as a seasonal character always going through the chimney to

815
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: that was dressed as the Easter Bunny. She put herself

816
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: in an egg, So that's why I don't It annoyed

817
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: me that that's the reason that she ends I mean

818
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: it makes sense for the character and for anyone that

819
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like a holiday kills your father. But I

820
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: want to see representation on screen of a person who

821
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: doesn't like Christmas because Christmas is creepy. And I know

822
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a lot of ship for saying,

823
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: but Christmas is creepy. I hate Christmas music. It's all

824
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: those like slow like him like songs, especially like Silent

825
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Night that is creepy. Santa Claus an old white guy

826
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: deciding if children are good or not, that's creepy. Nativity

827
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: scenes are frightening. And I also hate the capitalism and

828
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: consumerism of the holiday in general. I will said, I

829
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: enjoy the spirit of giving and the emphasis on like

830
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: being with loved ones around the holiday time, but everything

831
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: about Christmas is creepy. Cut a tree and you watch

832
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: it die, right, Yeah, you're just like destroying nature. There's

833
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things wrong with Christmas. Well, I you're

834
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: allowed to love Christmas. I do. Um. But with that,

835
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: as I hinted that before, there are so many movies

836
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: about Christmas, so few movies. There's a movie called Winter Solstice,

837
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: which is the holiday that I celebrate around this time.

838
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: Of year, but I don't know what it's about, and

839
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: no one saw it, including me. This is just the

840
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: time of year where Caitlin and I drink a lot

841
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: and watch Titanic. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

842
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: The version of the holiday season that I have cultivated

843
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: for myself I now enjoy very much because it literally

844
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: is just like watching Titanic on repeat, and that's we're

845
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: really good at that. But this movie actually didn't come

846
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: out during the Christmas holiday. Came out earlier because they

847
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: were wanted to, I think fighting against Ghostbusters. So I

848
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: came out like the summer or something like that. Another

849
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: movie riddled with problem. I can't stand Ghostbusters. I simply

850
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: can't stand it. Bothers me. Anyways, this movie sucks. Also,

851
00:48:51,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: yes it does, and it's great. Gizzy is a sweetheart.

852
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: But my point is, let's see more movies and stories

853
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: about holidays that are celebrated, usually by marginalized people because

854
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: they are Muslim, or they are Jewish, or or do

855
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: the way my family did, which is I forced Christmas

856
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: upon my family because I didn't want to be the

857
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: one kid in my town Irish Catholic towny didn't do it. Yeah,

858
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: it sucks that you felt you had to do that,

859
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: but that is a very common, huge thing. Yeah. And

860
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: then one there is one Christmas where my parents totally

861
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: got into it, like like we would decorate our house

862
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: top to bottom Christmas decorations and we would have Latter

863
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: Day Saints. Solicitors always come to our door. And one

864
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: time they came to our door and they're like, do

865
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: you believe in Jesus? And my mom had like a

866
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Christmas brooch or's like a tree behind her presence Jesus,

867
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: like like a placard or whatever. She's like, no, no,

868
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: we don't know what that these Christmas to us is

869
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: just like it's just a gift. One morning, I don't

870
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: have the sweater anymore. But one morning she makes us

871
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: new to make a dress up in like all the

872
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: same and take a photo. She buy us all the

873
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: same sweaters. The sweater somewhere in our house when she

874
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: got it from Walmart, of course, and it says Christmas

875
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: and as a tree an American holiday. Yeah, sinister, it

876
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: was the one person in the family photo. I think

877
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: it was like fifteen. I'm like, no, mother, I don't agree.

878
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I was like, you brought this upon us. My family

879
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: had an opposite thing where we did celebrate Christmas until

880
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: I was I think like sixteen or so, and the

881
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: mom I was like, my mom was like, no, we're

882
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: atheists and we're going to celebrate Winter Solstice instead, which

883
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: was basically the same exact thing as us celebrating Christmas,

884
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: because we still like put up a tree and stuff,

885
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: but we just got gifts four days earlier on December.

886
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. Um. Does anyone have any other

887
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the film Gremlins? I wanted to say

888
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: one last thing about and this is, you know, for

889
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: for us as kind of you know, an obvious point,

890
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: but miss Deegle, just of the three female characters, making

891
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: one the shrewiest shrew who's ever shrewd? Is like, it's

892
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: an easy choice that they certainly did make every easy.

893
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: Did you guys noticed that one of the Gremlins in

894
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: the bar scene was wearing her red wig because after

895
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: they killed her, but she wasn't wearing a wig in

896
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: that scene. She was like, I'll mature out they took

897
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: they killed her, and I assumed perused her clothes and

898
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: was wearing their clothes. So I think the clothes are

899
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: wearing in the bar scene and then later in the

900
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: cinema or the clothes of the people from Ordered. Maybe

901
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: that's where they got the tin to gun and think

902
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: about it, I have like a big thought that came

903
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: as I was watching it. So I at this point

904
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: nothing is cannon. That's happened in Gremlin's too. I understand

905
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Gremlins too. It's it's more justified or it's explained. But

906
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: we don't know the gender of what a magua is

907
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: or like what a gremlin is. It's just like a

908
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: gender neutral thing, and so we're assuming their males because

909
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: we just assumed males. Yeah, I guess I was referred

910
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: to they use okay, but that But also they're making

911
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: it because how do they know, right well, gender doesn't

912
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: apply to animals like it does to people, but they

913
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: do seem gendered as male and the persona they're like

914
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: person there act like humans later on. But I know

915
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: in the second movie there is a female gremlin and

916
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: it she looks like you have a bow or something.

917
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: She has like makeup on, and I don't know she

918
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: has restices. She might have rested according to the key

919
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: and Peel Gremlin's to sketch that I love so much.

920
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: Peel is going around the room like the writer's room

921
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: and just like asking for pitches for gremlin types, and

922
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: the one woman in the room says, could there be

923
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: a female gremlin? And Peel's character responds, lipstick boobies, bitch,

924
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: you had me a little gremlin for JJ, And then

925
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: he later says, that's we need a woman in the

926
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: writer's room. So I have not seen Grmlin's too. I

927
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: don't know how that female quote unquote gremlin is stylized,

928
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: but I'd have to imagine that it's very like egregiously,

929
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: like she's got a pink bow or she has boot totally. Yeah.

930
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: Oh god. So just in general, when he asked when

931
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: they got the three rules in the beginning, and this

932
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: is just not even It's just like a general note

933
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: about the home movie. It could have all been solved

934
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: if you asked, oh, why do you what happens if

935
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: you break those rules? Right? What are the steaks? What

936
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: are the stakes? Alright? Cool? Yeah? Yeah, okay? Cool? Bye?

937
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh okay. Then actually, unfortunately I cannot make this PreCure.

938
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: It's a fault on both sides. A little kid should

939
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 1: have been like you know they will mass murder your town.

940
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: But you know twos, I shouldn't be spending two hundred

941
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: dollars if my ten year old son's working at the bank. Yeah,

942
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Um. I did a quick Google search

943
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: for female gremlin, and the results show a fremlin with

944
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: very noticeable red lipstick, with long green hair, and she's

945
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: wearing what appears to be a like cheetah print bra

946
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: and mini skirt. Yeah, it's like the female eminem. Yes,

947
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: just like she's like hes. You gotta make sure men

948
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: want to fun. That for a video I always found

949
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: really helpful of like female coded characters or creatures in

950
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: movies and in media in general. Is from the past

951
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: guest of the show, Anita Sarkasian. I made a great

952
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: video about five years ago called the mis Male Character,

953
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: and her video is about how it applies to video

954
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: game characters in particular, like starting with Miss pac Man

955
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: and on, but just sort of unpacking how we tend

956
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: to repackage the same character but with a very like

957
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: traditionally feminine appearance, and they're usually weaker characters, and they're

958
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: always sexualized and given tits where tits don't beat that.

959
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um, last thing I'll say this is a

960
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: movie where within the movie, characters are watching other movies

961
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: where they're watching It's a Wonderful Life, they're watching a

962
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: Clark Gable movie, they watch snow White. There's like always

963
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: screens and there's always movies on them, which you know

964
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: is perhaps a commentary on how influential media is. But

965
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: there in one of the scenes, they're like a Clark

966
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Gable movie is on the screen, and there's the next

967
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what movie it is, so listeners, if

968
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, let us know. But um, a woman opposite

969
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: Clark Gable says it takes a certain kind of guy,

970
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: and then he responds with and that guy and he's

971
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: a certain kind of dame. And then that those two

972
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: lines get repeated in sort of like voiceover kind of

973
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: thing when Gizmo is driving around and the toy car

974
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: in the department store. And it makes no sense to

975
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: me as to why it makes it seem like him

976
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: hearing that would inform a certain decision of his But

977
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: I can't understand why does that certain character, Well, no,

978
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: it's not himself, it's not gismas saying. It is the

979
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: actual dialogue from the movie that just gets yes, yes, okay,

980
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: I remember, and so it does. I don't know why

981
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: that choice was made. It's such a specific choice, but

982
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to inform anything that happens in that scene.

983
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: It's also at the end of the movie when the

984
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: magical store owner comes back, he's telling them, like, you

985
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: shouldn't be letting Gizmo watch television or eating sex. And

986
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: it's true because like Gizmo is watching all these like

987
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: mail lead like what media is portraying life to be

988
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: or who the leaders or who the heroes of and

989
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, he adapts it, so we have in fact

990
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: infected Gizmo with the patriarchy. This is like another the

991
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: trend that I think gets really popular in the eighties

992
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: and sort of continues on is like the whole like oh,

993
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: we're like post movies, We're we're like commenting on blah

994
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: blah blah and like this' that's first of all, I'm

995
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: so bored. I'm dead. But like they show so much

996
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: other stuff, but they don't really comment on it other

997
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: than like it's a wonderful life. That was a happy movie. Anyways,

998
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: this one's fucked up. So here's the movie, Like the

999
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: and just like it. It almost listen doing things like

1000
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: this ends the end game of it, as we end

1001
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: up having to watch Shrek in the future because all

1002
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, oh, every post modern reference

1003
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: is the cutest thing in the whole world, and then

1004
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's the movie, and then we

1005
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: had to watch that movie. The Clark Gable movie I

1006
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: am seeing was called to Please a Lady. Oh wow,

1007
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: there's also who knows better than Clark Gable and an

1008
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: invasion of the body Snatcher is oh right, that was one.

1009
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: That's when the gremlin cocoons are hatching. I took note

1010
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: of the first movie that was on the awning of

1011
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: the movie theater. It was a Boy's Life, and then

1012
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: it was which is a movie that happened later on

1013
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: in life like it's it's a fake movie at that point,

1014
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: but later it's the movie with I think Leonardo Dicaprios, Oh,

1015
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: this is a great time to bring up Titanic then

1016
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: and then snow White. Snow White was sleeping women. I

1017
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: think Alfred Milena refused to participate in this movie. Is

1018
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: he read the script? He's just like this, there's no

1019
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: parts for him. Riddled with this is riddled. He was

1020
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: originally the voice of Schismo. He wasn't and then they

1021
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: were like, sorry, Alfred, we could get Mandel's big shot Mandel's.

1022
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: He has a tiny person's voice. Well, I think the

1023
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: question on all of our minds is how many nipples

1024
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: does a magua have? And that's a good question. Well,

1025
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: we do seek cats. Mrs Goal has cats in the movie,

1026
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: and a lot did a lot of cats, which is

1027
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: demonizing owning a lot of cats. I think I loved

1028
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: that one of her cats was named old dollar Bill.

1029
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: She has one thing on her mom baby, get money girl.

1030
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: I want to name a cat dollar Bill and wait

1031
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: for it to get old. Oh gosh, he does anyone

1032
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: have anything else? Honestly? I will watch Grandlin's two now.

1033
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: I kind of want to, kind of want to because

1034
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: that's the one everyone talks about more, I feel because

1035
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: it's just like all the there's like a bat Grandma,

1036
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: There's a spider Grandma. There's all sexy female one and

1037
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: Gizmo dances. GisMo dances dances. That does sound fun? Probably

1038
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: damn it? Well, what are you doing later, Jamie? Let's

1039
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: watch Gremlins too? Okay? Should we determine whether or not

1040
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: this movie passes the Becktel tests Kidoki Well, as you

1041
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: hinted at jan there is a scene between a character

1042
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: named Mrs Harris and Mrs Deagle. The exchange goes something

1043
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: along the lines of like, hey, my husband got another

1044
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: job and I've taken up sewing and Mrs Eagles like

1045
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: what are you saying? And she's like, well, we're not

1046
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: going to make any money for two weeks, so like,

1047
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: can you give us more time? And she Mrs Deagle

1048
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: says the bank and I have the same purpose to

1049
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: make money, and she's like, dollar ability needs to eat

1050
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: his big fan of Mrs Mrs Harris is like, but

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: Mrs Deagle, it's Christmas. And then she's like, well now

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Speaker 1: you know what to ask Santa for or don't you?

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: And then phoebe Case's character cons and it's like, actually

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01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Santa isn't really want to know how I know? Not

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Speaker 1: this again. She goes telling the story every Christmas. It's

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01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: like six people live here, we know. Okay. So Mrs

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01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: Harris's husband Joe does get mentioned in this scene, but

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: you could possibly make the argument that there's like at

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01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: least a two line exchange where the bank and I

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: have the same purpose to make money. Mrs Deagle, it's Christmas,

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: although Christmas does have Christ and Christ was a man.

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: And then she also says Santa who is also a man.

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Speaker 1: And also we don't know those characters first names. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that matters. She under IMDb is credited

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Speaker 1: as Mrs Joe. Oh, Mrs Joe. Here she's exclusively defined

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Speaker 1: by the mention married sick. Okay. Also, that scene ends

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Speaker 1: on again again, Like Chris Columbus, I it seems like

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: a gun for fucking something. But she at the end

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: of her son is like I'm hungry. She's like me too,

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: and You're just like what what? That's not resolved in

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Speaker 1: the movie. But when he wrote, he's like, it's like

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Speaker 1: I've seen It's a wonderful life. My movie is going

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: to be just like that, but with monster and resolution poverty.

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: Chris Columbus coop also, could you have more? Is there

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Speaker 1: a worse person to be named after? Christopher Columbus? I mean,

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Speaker 1: of course he makes racist movies right, of course, practically

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Speaker 1: in his d n A. Unless I'm missing something, I

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: think that's the only scene in which two women interact

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Speaker 1: in the whole movie, and I went through it again

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't find one. Yeah, so, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, this scene does not pass because one,

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: we kind of know that character's name, but like she's

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: defined as Mrs Joe Harris, so like that's not great.

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: We also only see her in that one scene, and

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01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: then I think, never again does it pass? When Mrs

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01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Deagles talking to her cats, I was saying that too.

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01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: My only other question is the cats are small? All

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: tell her? Bill gives her some great advice, really opens

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01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: up some discourse in the household. Um. Yeah, I'm gonna

1090
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: say this as a note for me on passing the

1091
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: pectel test. I was back and forth, but ultimately I

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: know as well, Yeah, god damn it. Chris. Well, shoot, hey,

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01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: let's write the movie on a nipple scale zero to

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01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its portrayal of women. Um, gonna

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: give this a half nipple. And maybe that's even being

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: generous because I think it's probably for the scene where

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: you do see the mom character being active and defending

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: herself at least for a little bit, but again, she

1099
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: has to be safe. She's only using domestic appliances to fight,

1100
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: and then the Kate character really serves no function in

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01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: the movie except to be the romantic interest of the

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: male hero. The other main female character, who is the

1103
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: like pro capitalist villain, she is so cartoonishly characterized that

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: she's like basically not even a real person. Between that

1105
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: and the egregious racism of the movie is not good.

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: So I'll give a half nipple, and that belongs to Gizmo,

1107
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: who I'm pretty sure does have a nipple in there somewhere.

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go half nipple as well for other and

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01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: she said, and also for goingent of the way of

1110
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: writing a female character in Kate where we at very

1111
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: least know that she has a job, we know a

1112
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: little bit about her. She is treated by her romantic

1113
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: interest generally respectfully, which is a little more than you

1114
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: would get in most movies of this time, especially considering

1115
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: this is like peekue John Hughes. So everything I don't

1116
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: know this movie is like it's it's I didn't like it.

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, but Jim was so cute and

1118
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: that's hard for me. And so why it's there though,

1119
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: to distract us? I know, it's like I want the

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01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: lunchbox like, why is the woman crop down? Okay, small

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01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: I did audibly go oh when he was on the dartboard.

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: You're like, oh God, I googled way too much that

1123
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: that scene is there because they were so angry. Okay,

1124
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: So basically Gizmo was only supposed to be there at

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, but since they made it the whole movie,

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: it costs such a pain for animatronic people and like

1127
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: because they had to create ways for to walk or talk.

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: So that scene was there for the crew so they could,

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, basically not have immobilized and also just show

1130
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: how much anger they had towards having him there for

1131
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: all the movie. Whoa so so in the scene the

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: Grundlins are bullying Gizmo, but it's really the true that

1133
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: was bullying guess can't catch a bread Gizz? Well, I'm

1134
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: gonna go yes, my nip goes to or my half

1135
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: nip goes to Gizz as well. Okay, I'll give because

1136
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: I actually so just watching this as like a piece

1137
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: of fluff without analyzing it or anything like that, just

1138
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: as a movie watcher. I enjoyed it, but the more

1139
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: I got into it, come on, why no, I want

1140
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: to like this movie? Because Kissima was so cute. But

1141
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: as for the portrayal specifically of women, I would give

1142
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: it like half yeah, because it just they were there,

1143
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: but they were in part of the storyline. Really, they

1144
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: could have disappeared. There's no point to them. The mother

1145
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: was supportive and just locked in that house, and I

1146
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: think she was letting out maybe a lot of frustration

1147
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: during that scene where she was murdering all the fremlins.

1148
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: I like to read to that scene where she's like, yes,

1149
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: it is for all your stupid invention. Really, Oh, I

1150
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: guess I have to destroy this to kill that one. Okay,

1151
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happens. It's not a cappuccino maker. It

1152
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: makes tar dumb husband God watching her to choke that down.

1153
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: You're like, girl, let's go Elma and Louise, let's get

1154
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: out of here, get out of you can go out.

1155
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: And also the wife of the Maga guy, sorry, she

1156
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: was also so supportive of him, like all the wives

1157
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: that were there were just like, yes, honey, of course, honey, definitely, honey,

1158
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: whatever you say, honey, I'm just gonna stay in my

1159
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: little cave house and never see the light of day.

1160
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: It literally was the Maga neighbor and then they killed

1161
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: her too, so she didn't get anything out of it.

1162
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say for women it's pretty much

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: a half, but for Gizzy, I would give it a

1164
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: five portrays. Thank you so much for being here in

1165
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: that voice. Where can people follow you online? And what

1166
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: would you like? Whatever you want? You can see me

1167
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: on the Instagram where I sometimes do things at muson

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01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: z and Jamie and I wrote an animation of sci

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Speaker 1: fi Ladies show say that specifically for women, No, it's

1170
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Speaker 1: for everybody. It's called human kind Of. That's on facebook

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Speaker 1: Watch that we wrote with co wrote with Diana McCory

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Speaker 1: and she's the best, and we do voices on it,

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: which is cool. It's on facebook Watch if you're on that.

1174
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I have a wrote on a sketch show

1175
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: that is going to be on a network at some

1176
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: point for a good shot out. Yeah, that's how TV works.

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: And also Mission desigs z y x X as a

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: sci fi improvised podcast. I play the voice of a

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: They're just like an old sentience spaceship who used to

1180
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: be a movie star called bar Jerry and Jade and uh,

1181
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know she she. I've tried to make her

1182
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel Tests as much as like good Yeah, well,

1183
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: thanks again for being here. You can follow us on

1184
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,760
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1185
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Speaker 1: freaking season to go to our t public store. We

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Speaker 1: just released a bunch of new designs for all of

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Speaker 1: your winter sols to shopping meats. Yes, so if you

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Speaker 1: want a queer icon baby grunch shirt, now is the

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Speaker 1: time I made I think maybe one of my most

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Speaker 1: cursed drawings yet with the baby. It's it's gorgeous. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: we have a West Coast tour coming up. You were

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco sketch Fest. We are going to

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Speaker 1: Portland and Seattle. Uh. Those ticket links are on our website.

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Speaker 1: If you go to back toelcast dot com and click

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Speaker 1: on the live appearances tab, you can find tickets to

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Speaker 1: those we're doing movies such as The Breakfast Club, Fight Club.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of club, The Little Mermaids in the

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: Club Door we should have done. What are what are

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01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: the other First Wives Club. What are we thinking. We'll

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: do that eventually, But the movies we are doing Our

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Speaker 1: Little Mermaid and Sleepless in Seattle as well, so in

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Speaker 1: that area, come on down. We love you, respect to you,

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: and and happy holidays whichever holiday you observe by