1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised. St. Louis, 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: February fourteenth, nineteen o four. This is taken from the 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Southern Standard. William J. Limp, president of the lymp Brewing Company, 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: shot himself through the temple with the revolver at his 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: home thirty three twenty two Lamp Avenue, at nine thirty 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: o'clock Saturday forenoon, while in a fit of grief over 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: the recent death of his son Edward. He died an 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: hour later, without having been conscious after the shot was fired. 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: The first known of the act at the Frewery office 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: was at a little after nine thirty, when a messenger 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: ran into the office and told the son of the 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: brewer to hurry to the residence a few doors away. 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: It was an hour later when word was received at 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the office that Mr Limp had shot himself and was dead. 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: From what can be learned, Mr Lamp arose at his 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: wonted hours Saturday morning a a light breakfasts, and upon 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: complaining that he did not feel well, returned to his room. 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 1: He must have spent some time there writing and making 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: known his last earthly wishes. An hour later, a shot 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: was heard. Members of the household ran to the room, 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: only to find the millionaire brewer in the last throes 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: of death. He was partially disrobed and lay upon the 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: bed with his revolver smoking on the bloodstained covers. The 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: man's muscles twitched, he breathed heavily. A gaping wound in 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: his temple told the story. Messengers were dispatched for physicians, 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: and Dr Harmish was the first to arrive. He is 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: beyond all medical or surgical a, the doctor stated. At 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: ten o'clock he passed away. I'm Amy Bruney, and this 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: is haunted road. If you were to visit thirty three 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty two demental place today, you'd see a historic inn 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: built more than one hundred fifty years ago, filled with 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: happy diners and overnight guests. Well, that might not be 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: all you see. Lemp Mansion is one of St. Louis's 35 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: grandest homes, which house generations of one of the city's 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: most prominent and troubled families. Among tragic accounts of untreated 37 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: mental illness and untimely deaths are stories of underground passages, 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: false claims to the family fortune, rumors of a generational curse, 39 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and even a child hidden away in the attic. The 40 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: legends linger in the Limp Mansion restaurant and end Today 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: after the mystery, dinners and parties are over, Guests report 42 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: strange happenings, Phantom footsteps and knocking sounds ring through the hallways, 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: Shadows peak around corners, small objects move on their own, 44 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: and a piano mysteriously plays by itself when no one 45 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: is nearby. But in the beginning, there was just one 46 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: family and one very big American dream on the banks 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: of the Mississippi River. St. Louis, Missouri, is a city 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: of about three hundred thousand people. It grew rapidly in 49 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century with the advent of the steamboat, 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and quickly became a major destination for Irish and German immigrants. 51 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: One of those immigrants, Johann Adam Lamp, who emigrated from 52 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: Central Germany, arrived in the United States about eighteen thirty six. 53 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: On his arrival in St. Louis in eighteen thirty eight, 54 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: Lamp opened a grocery store where he sold his homemade beer. 55 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: People loved Adam Lamp's German style lagger beer, which was 56 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: much lighter than the strong English ales widely available in 57 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: America at the time. In a short two years, Lamp 58 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: started a beer company using German recipes. In eighteen forty, 59 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: the first location of the Lamp Brewery was located where 60 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the south leg of the city's iconic Gateway arch now stands. St. 61 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: Louis Magazine called Adam Lamp one of the most influential 62 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: figures in St. Louis history for his runaway success as 63 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: a brewer. Lamp Brewery became so popular so quickly that 64 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: in just five years it moved to a larger facility 65 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: with limestone caves underneath where beer could be kept cold 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: in an above ground beer garden called Lemp's Cave, where 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: people would sit and sit. The elder Limp died in 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty two, and his son William took over the company. 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: That same year. William Lymp and his wife Julia had 70 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: a son who died at birth. In the following years, 71 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: they would have eight more children, Anna, William Jr. Lewis, Charles, Frederick, Hilda, 72 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Edwin and Elsa. What's known today as the Limp Mansion 73 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: was actually built by William Senior's father in law Jacob 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: Fickert in eighteen sixty eight. It's just down the street 75 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: from the brewery, as Cathy Wiser Alexander wrote for Legends 76 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: of America. By the eighteen seventies, the Limp family symbolized 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: both wealth and power, as the Lemp Brewery controlled the St. 78 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Louis beer market, a position it maintained until Prohibition. The 79 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: family bought the Limp Mansion in eighteen seventy six and 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: began renovating and expanding the thirty re room house. The 81 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Victorian home was built in the Italianate style and stands 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: three stories tall, with a basement and an attic. The 83 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: front of the home is white with black trim and 84 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: looks relatively plain from the outside, but inside there are 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: endless architectural curiosities, like an atrium where the lamps kept 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: exotic plants and birds, and a hand painted ceiling in 87 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: the parlor, which has green and yellow floral designs and 88 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: depictions of clouds. On the third floor, in addition to 89 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: the servants quarters, there are cedar walk in closets, a skylight, 90 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: and an observation deck. As the mansion's history describes, the 91 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: main bathroom is dominated by a unique glass enclosed free 92 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: standing shower that Lamp discovered in an Italian hotel and 93 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: brought back to St. Louis for his personal use. Other 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: unusual fixtures in the room are a barber chair and 95 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: a sink with glass legs. At the rear of the 96 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: house are three massive vaults that the Lamps built to 97 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: store art. The Lamps also built a tunnel that connected 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: the home's basement to the caves below the brewery, or 99 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: or at least the tunnel probably existed. Chris Nafzinger of St. 100 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: Louis Magazine has reviewed old records and believes that the 101 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: tunnel link between the mansion and the brewery caves is 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: a myth, but staff at the Lamp mansions say there 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: absolutely was a tunnel, which many believe is concealed by 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: a bricked over portion of wall in the basement of 105 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: the home. It's said that members of the Lamp family 106 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: would walk to work through the tunnel. Lent Brewery introduced 107 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: artificial refrigeration in eighteen seventy eight, at which point parts 108 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: of the cave were converted as entertainment spaces like a 109 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: natural auditorium and a theater. As Kathy Wiser Alexander wrote. 110 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: This underground oasis would later spawn a large concrete swimming 111 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: pool with hot water piped in from the brewery boiling house, 112 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: and a bowling alley. The caves are still used for 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: entertainment purposes today. They're now home to the subterranean Lent 114 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: Brewery Hunted House. By the eighteen nineties, Lent Brewery was 115 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: selling their beer all across America, something a regional brewery 116 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: had never achieved before. As Troy Taylor wrote in Haunted, Missouri, 117 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: Lamp was the first brewery to establish coast to coast 118 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: distribution of its beer, shipping it out in refrigerated railroad cars. 119 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: After expanding across America, Lamp also spread to overseas markets, 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: and by the late eighteen nineties the beer could be 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: found in Canada, Mexico, Britain, Germany, Central and South America, 122 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the West Indies, the Hawaiian Islands, Australia, Japan, and beyond. 123 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety seven, William's daughter, Hilda Mary gustav passed. 124 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: You may recognize that last name. In eight William Jr. 125 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: Known as Billy, married Lillian Hanlon, whom the St. Louis 126 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Post Dispatch described as a railroad supply. Harris known as 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: the Lavender Lady because she favored that color for everything, 128 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: even the harnesses on her horses. But the happy times 129 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: didn't last. In nineteen o one, Williams twenty eight year 130 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: old son, Frederick, who had been the superintendent of the brewery, 131 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: died of heart failure. Three years later, on the morning 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: of February thirteenth, nineteen o four, William Lamp died of 133 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head in his 134 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: bedroom at Limp Mansion. He was sixty eight years old. 135 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: It said that he was never the same after Frederick's death. 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: He was also greatly affected by the death of his 137 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: friend and fellow brewery king, Frederick past who died in 138 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: January of that year. William's son had been named after Papst. 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: The day after William's death, a front page article on 140 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: the St. Louis Post Dispatch referred to him as one 141 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: of the best known brewers in America. The Lamp Brewing 142 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: plants were shut down on the day of his funeral, 143 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: with longtime employees serving as pall bearers. Among the honorary 144 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: pallbears was Adolphus Bush, the co founder of Annheuser Busch, 145 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: His son took over the brewery, but he and Lillian 146 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: were more interested in enjoying their vast fortune than in 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: running the family business. They spent extravagantly staffing the house 148 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: with servants and buying opulent art and clothing. William Jr. 149 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: Also through decadent party in the limestone caves beneath the brewery, 150 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: including hiring sex workers for his friends. According to persistent, 151 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: although entirely unsubstantiated rumors, William Junior eventually followed a child, 152 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: a boy born with Down syndrome or some type of 153 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: physical deformity, either with one of those sex workers or 154 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: with a servant at the mansion. The child was supposedly 155 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: hidden in the attic where he lived out his days, 156 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: though there is no documentation to prove this. William Junior 157 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: and Lillian divorced in nineteen o nine in a scandal 158 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: filled trial that made headlines. The court heard that William 159 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: Junior had beaten Lillian, thrown her down the stairs, shot 160 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: neighborhood cats for sport, had been seen with other women, 161 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: and visited houses of bad repute, all of which he denied. 162 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Lillian also testified that she had to restrain William Junior 163 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: from shooting a black butler after the former believed the 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: latter was acting as were counted in the St. Louis 165 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Globe Democrat Insolent and Surly. William Junior claimed that he 166 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: pulled the gun in self defense because Butler was near 167 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: a table with knives on it. William Junior had hired 168 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: a private detective to follow Lilian after reading a letter 169 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: that she claimed she had left as a trap to 170 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: see if he went through her mail, and was allegedly 171 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: coerced into signing a document saying that the baptism and moral, 172 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: religious and collegiate teaching, direction and instruction of all children 173 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: born of our marriage shall be left absolutely and entirely 174 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: at all times to the dictation, direction and control of 175 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: William J. Lamp Jr. William Jr. Alleged that, against his wishes, 176 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: Lillian was attempting to raise their eight year old son, 177 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: William the Third, as a Catholic. Lilian claimed that she 178 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: had been tricked, saying, according to the St. Louis Joseph 179 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: Press News, that when she signed it, the paper was 180 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: so folded as to conceal the contents, and that she 181 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: supposed that she was signing another paper that she had 182 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: been read to her. For his part, William Junior was 183 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: embarrassed by his wife's eccentric clothing preferences. During the trial, 184 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: he told the court that he did not like his 185 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: wife's almost constant wearing of the color purple, saying I 186 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: didn't want her to be conspict us by wearing the 187 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: same thing all the time. In fact, one of the 188 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: only times she was ever seen not wearing purple was 189 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: on the final day of the hearing, when she arrived 190 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: to court wearing all black. With a divorce finalized, William 191 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: Junior remodeled the home in nineteen eleven, converting part of 192 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: the space into brewery offices. According to Kathy Wiser Alexander, 193 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: at this time, William allowed the company's equipment to deteriorate 194 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: without keeping abreast of industry innovations. By World War One, 195 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: the brewery was just barely limping along. In nineteen nineteen, 196 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: William Junior shut down the company after the passage of 197 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: the Nineteenth Amendment making prohibition the law of the land. However, 198 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: he didn't tell his workers about the closure. They simply 199 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: arrived to work one day to find the gates locked. 200 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: More sadness followed and quickly. On the morning of March 201 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: twentie nine, Elsa, the youngest of the Lemp siblings, died 202 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the heart. She 203 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: was thirty seven and at the time was St. Louis's 204 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: richest woman. Elsa had maladies including indigestion, nausea, and depression, 205 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: but some speculate that her death was suspicious. She had 206 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: recently remarried her former husband, Thomas Wright, who she divorced 207 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: the previous year. Her new again husband allegedly waited almost 208 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: half an hour to call for a doctor, and several 209 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: of the servants changed their stories about the morning's events 210 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: after the fact. In June nineteen twenty two, the Limp 211 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: Brewery was sold piecemeal at auction for five hundred eighty 212 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: eight thousand, five hundred dollars, which is nine point eight 213 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: five million by today's standards, well below its original valuation 214 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: of seven million dollars, which is a hundred twenty three 215 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: point four million today. Six months later, despondent over the 216 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: state of the family business, William Jr. Took his own 217 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: life in his office at the Limp mansion on December 218 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, nineteen twenty two, he was fifty five years old. 219 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: A contemporary newspaper report noted that Billy Lamp especially has 220 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: lived in a retired manner since prohibition went into effect 221 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: and the brewer we closed down its manufacture of beer 222 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty three. William Lamp, the third William Jr. 223 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: And Lillian's only child, died of a cerebral hemorrhage at 224 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: age forty two after collapsing on the sidewalk in nearby Clayton, Missouri. 225 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: At some point in the nineteen forties, It's alleged that 226 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: William Jr's illegitimate child died in his thirties. According to 227 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: Legends of America, he was buried on the Lamp cemetery 228 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: plot with only a small flat marker with the word Limp. 229 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: On the morning of May tenth, ninety nine, another Lamp sibling, Charles, 230 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: was found dead of suicide. He was seventy seven years 231 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: old and was living alone in the Limp mansion. Charles 232 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: shot himself with a thirty eight caliber revolver in the 233 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: same room where his brother died. In his later years, 234 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: Charles had become increasingly eccentric. After his suicide, It was 235 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: noted in a contemporary report that he had suffered from 236 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: nervousness in recent weeks. He was the only Limp to 237 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: leave a note which read, in case I am found dead, 238 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: blame it on no one but me. As Colin Dickey 239 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: wrote in his book ghost Land, tradition holds that Charles 240 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: shot his dog before himself, though this is nowhere mentioned 241 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: in the police reports of the incident, It said that 242 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: the body of his Doberman pincher Serva was found halfway 243 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: up the basement stairs. The Lamp family saw an unusually 244 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: high amount of suicides, but they were also happening in 245 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: other German immigrant brewing families. On February thirteenth, nineteen thirty four, 246 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: Anheuser Busch president August Busch committed suicide by revolver, thirty 247 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: years to the day after William Senior suicide and Otto F. 248 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Stifle of the Old Stifle Union Brewery also ended his 249 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: own life. Police eventually started calling the act of suicide 250 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: the Dutch act, a corruption of the word Deutsche or German. 251 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: After the last Lamp to live in the mansion died 252 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty, the home became a boarding house. It 253 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: was also used to house children from a nearby pediatric hospital, 254 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: Marian Hospital. In the early nineteen sixties, the house was 255 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: slated for demolition to room for the Ozark Expressway. Public 256 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: outcry and advocacy surrounding a nearby property, the Chatelaunde Demonial Mansion, 257 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: ended up saving the Lamp Mansion when the highway was 258 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: rerouted to preserve it. However, much of the Lamp Mansion's grounds, 259 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: as well as the carriage house, were leveled. Edwin, the 260 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: last remaining Lamp sibling, died in nineteen seventy at the 261 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: age of ninety. As Kathy Wiser Alexander wrote, according to 262 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: Edwin's last wishes, his butler burned all of his paintings 263 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: that the Lamps had collected throughout his life, as well 264 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: as priceless Limp family documents and artifacts. These irreplaceable pieces 265 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: of history vanished in the smoke of a blazing bonfire. 266 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, the mansion was bought by Dick Pointer, 267 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: who converted it into a restaurant. It still operates as 268 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: an inn and restaurant today. In a man named Andrew 269 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: Paulson appeared in St. Louis and claimed to be a 270 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Limp descendant. He was in position of a key to 271 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: the family mausoleum in Bellefontaine Cemetery, as well as various 272 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: other heirlooms. Paulson was eventually revealed to be an impostor 273 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: looking to make money off the Lamp name. He wasn't 274 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: the first to do so. In nineteen o one, a 275 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: man claiming to be Billy Limp bought a large diamond 276 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: brooch from a Saint Louis jewelry store, telling them to 277 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: build the Limp Brewery. He pawned the brooch and was 278 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: never seen again. Many are convinced that some sort of 279 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: curse caused so many of the Limps to take their 280 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: own lives, especially since all the suicides took place by 281 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: firearm and in the morning hours. But as Colin Dickie 282 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: points out in ghost Land, it's more likely that the 283 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: curse was a family history of untreated mental illness. With 284 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: all the dark history surrounding the family and the home, 285 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: it's no surprise that the Limp Mansion is often called 286 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: one of the most haunted homes in America. Betsy Burnett Blandra, 287 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: the Limp Mansion's historian and paranormal investigator, believes that there 288 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: are nine spirits in the house. In addition to the Limps, 289 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: Burnett Belangra has also come into contact with the spirit 290 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: of a servant who still cares for the spirit of 291 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: a sixteen year old named Zeke and a child named Elizabeth. 292 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: She's also identified a spirit she calls the Stinky Man, 293 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: who told her to get out of the house. She 294 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: believes that Charles Limp may have been affected by the 295 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: presence of some of these ghosts. The building got its 296 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: haunted reputation soon after its conversion into a rooming house, 297 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: with tenants reporting phantom footsteps and knocking sounds. Allegedly, people 298 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't stay long because of the hauntings. During the nineteen 299 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: seventies renovations to transform the mansion into a restaurant and 300 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: in According to Legends of America, workers within the house 301 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: often told stories of apparitions, strange sounds, vanishing tools, and 302 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: a feeling of being watched. Frightened by the hauntings, many 303 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: would leave the job site, never to return. One worker 304 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: heard the sound of horses hoofs on cobblestones out the 305 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: window on a portion of lawn later discovered to have 306 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: covered the area that was the cobblestone driveway of the 307 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: mansion while the ceiling frescoes were being restored. A worker 308 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: named Claude breck Walt told the St. Louis Post Dispatch 309 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: that he was on the job late one night when 310 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: he had this sensation that someone was staring at me. 311 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: I just knew that some one was staring at me 312 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: through the glass beveled doors. There was no doubt. I 313 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: got chills up and down my back. My hair stood 314 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: on end. Until then, I never believed in ghosts. From 315 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: then on, Brekwalt would only work during the daytime with 316 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: others near by, and turned down working on additional rooms. Today, 317 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: the staff in the restaurant, according to Culture Trip, have 318 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: heard the piano playing itself and doors locking and unlocking themselves. 319 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: They also report cold spots and apparitions throughout the building 320 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: and the hallways. People say they've seen a young child, 321 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: as well as the figure of an older man who 322 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: is sometimes said to be Charles Limp in his hat, 323 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: cape and shiny shoes. Some have also reported hearing gunshots 324 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: in the hallways. Where the dining room stands today is 325 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: the side of the office where William Junior and Charles 326 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: took their own lives. In that room, people have seen 327 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: an apparition of a man sitting down to dinner, only 328 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: to vanish when approached. Glasses are said to levitate on 329 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: their own. Some claimed to have seen the apparition of Lilian, 330 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: the Lavender Lady in the room. The guest rooms are 331 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: named after family members and each has its own unique activity. 332 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: And the Charles Lamp Suite, small objects sometimes move around 333 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: on their own, and Charles has been spotted in his 334 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: top hat in the space. And the Elsa Lamp Suite, 335 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: which is her childhood bedroom, people report mischievous behavior attributed 336 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: to kids who stayed in the mansion when it was 337 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: used as overflow for the local pediatric hospital. Guests experience 338 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: something pulling at the sheets while they are trying to sleep, 339 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: or tugging at their legs. In the William Lamp Suite, 340 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: people say they hear footsteps running up the stairs and 341 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: someone kicking the door. As Kathy Wiser Alexander wrote, when 342 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: William killed himself, William Jr. Was known to have run 343 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: up the stairs to his father's room and, finding it locked, 344 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: began to kick the door to get to his father. 345 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Other guests have reported hearing moaning in this room. The 346 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: womanizing William Jr. Is also rumored to haunt the women's 347 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: bathroom on the first floor. Women say something peaks over 348 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: the tops of the stalls and turns on the water 349 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: when no one else is in the bathroom. In the basement, 350 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: in the tunnel area, which staff members allegedly called the 351 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: Gates of Hell, people report seeing a shadow figure and 352 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: sometimes hearing phantom dog barking. The darkest stories, though, come 353 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: from the attic. Some believe that William Jr's illegitimate son 354 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: haunts the attic, where he spent his life. A few 355 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: sources claim his name is Zeke. People frequently report seeing 356 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: the face of a boy in the attic windows, but 357 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: some believe he was a ward of the state who 358 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: died there when the house was used as patient housing. 359 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: In Missouri's Haunted Route sixty six, Jane Tremire wrote, another 360 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: legend concerning the boy is that he was William's brother, 361 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: born when William's mother, Julie, was close to fifty, and 362 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: that the child was deformed because of her advanced age. 363 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: Some sources say Zeke died at sixteen, others say he 364 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: was aged thirty paranormal investigators report that toys left in 365 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: the attic will be moved when they return, and the 366 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: voice of a child saying help me, help me has 367 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: been reported here. Betty Burnett Balanger says this spirit is 368 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: very scared, afraid of people, and believes that he's looking 369 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: for his mother. To talk more about the hauntings at 370 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Limp Mansion, I have a special treat for you. My 371 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: dear friend Jeff Belanger will be joining us. Both of 372 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: us have investigated the Limp Mansion and we can't wait 373 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: for you to listen in on our conversation about what 374 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: we and others have experienced there. That's coming up after 375 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: the break. All right, So I am now joined by 376 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: one of my dearest friends, Mr Jeff Blanger. Who is 377 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know you are? You wear many hats, 378 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: your paranormal researcher, author now podcast hosts like I don't 379 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: even know what to call you anymore? Jeff, What what 380 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: should we call you? Just don't call me late for 381 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: dinner or happy hour? This is true. That's why I 382 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: brought you here because I know that you are very 383 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: familiar with Limp Mansion. You've been there. I've been there. 384 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: You're all so very familiar with beer, so it also 385 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: seemed fitting. Wow, that's yeah, both are true. I guess yep. 386 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: I can't argue either one of those. But before we 387 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: get started, you know, anytime I have a guest on 388 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: who's someone that, like, I've known for a long time, 389 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: there's always this kind of little trip down memory lane. 390 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: And I think that what listeners might not know is 391 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: I would say, if you were to like turn back 392 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: time and say who was the most influential person and 393 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: Amy Brunei's paranormal career, I say, with air quotes, who 394 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: would that be? And I think that person would be 395 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Balanger. Get out of here. I mean it because 396 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: I think many people think that I just kind of 397 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: appeared on ghost Hunters and that's when I first existed, 398 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: but well before that, I was in the paranormal scene. 399 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: And I just remember you and I connected at a 400 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: conference and then you came out to a little conference 401 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: I was holding with my paranormal group, and you were 402 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: just always really great to bounce ideas off of. And 403 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: I remember particularly I was doing this kind of paranormal 404 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: group dynamics lecture, which is like my first lecture, and 405 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: you were always super helpful with stuff like that. So, well, 406 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: that's nice memory. Yeah, I remember we were in Volcano, California, 407 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: a town slightly larger than my living room, and I 408 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: don't live in a mansion, just to be clear. Uh 409 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and uh. At one point we were out in the cemetery, 410 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: which is a tiny little spot of land. It was 411 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: close to midnight, and this drunk guy walks out holding 412 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: a gun and says, what do you guys want to 413 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: become a ghost tonight? And so when people say, like, 414 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: have you ever been scared during an investigation, that's one 415 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: of the ones I point to. I completely forgot about 416 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: the shotgun wielding man drug man. So volcanoes so small 417 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: that like literally if someone is born or dies, they 418 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: just like they just cross off the po They don't 419 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: even paint it. I don't think i've been back there since. 420 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: I think that I think you have worked. He won 421 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: games that match, But yeah, I was like, yeah, that's 422 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: because that's one of those stories I point to, like, Yep, 423 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: I was genuinely scared. But I do recommend your books 424 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: on the regular too. Well, thank you, so lent Mansion. 425 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: I investigated the Lamp Mansion many many years ago. I 426 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: actually rewatched the episode of ghost Hunters that we filmed. 427 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: They're just you know, to get kind of nostalgic before 428 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: I recorded this podcast. I'm not sure if it was 429 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: the best idea. But do you remember the place very 430 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: well now in your recollection? And I know you've done 431 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: a lot of interviews, I know you've been there. What 432 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: do you think people probably experience the most at the 433 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: Limp Mansion. Well, you know you've already established this family 434 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: was just plagued by suicide, which is it runs in families, 435 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: it really does. And so when you understand, when you 436 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: know what happened, I mean today, if you're in the 437 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: restaurant dining area, or if you're by the bar, you're 438 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: in the former lamp offices, and two people shot themselves 439 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: right there. One guy shot his dog and then himself 440 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: right Charles and and Billie, and I sort of feel 441 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: like you tune into that sadness when you're inside there. 442 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: You I'm the kind of person that researches everything before 443 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: I go. I mean, I want to know where everything happened, 444 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: what rooms and so on. So when I walked in there, 445 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: I was just you know, you look around the bar area, 446 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this is where someone chose to 447 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: end his own life, and that's different than a murder 448 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: or a natural cause death, you know what I mean, 449 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: Like someone was in a really dark, bad place and 450 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: ended it right here. And I remember speaking with one 451 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: of the tour guides at the house who said there 452 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: was one night she was camped out in a cot 453 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: down in that area because I guess the rooms were full, 454 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: and she was sleeping there and she woke up to 455 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: find a man pacing around her cot and he bent 456 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: down over her head and he started to like make 457 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: some moaning sound, and she said to him, you know 458 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: you're you're frightening me, and the man disappeared, and that's 459 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: when she said she realized she believed these spirits were interactive. 460 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: People have been pushed and touched. I spoke to one 461 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: employee who said he saw it looked like, you know, 462 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: heat waves coming off a hot road in one of 463 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: the stairwells. And their stories in the bedrooms and so on. 464 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: But I think the most prominent spirits would be Billy 465 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: and Charles Limp. And then also there's a lady in 466 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: White that some people believe is Julia Limp, who was 467 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: also died there. I believe she died of cancer though, right. 468 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: It is a place that's filled with a lot of sadness. 469 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: And it's strange because you know, they were just kind 470 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: of such this influential family and then just it just 471 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: kind of descended into darkness and literally like the last 472 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: one died and it was just completely snuffed out. It's 473 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: a very sad story. Regardless of any hauntings you might encounter, 474 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: the energy there is definitely heavy sometimes. I think it's 475 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: really kind of interesting how some of these places that 476 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: we investigator frequent so often become places like bars and 477 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: restaurants and inns, and then you walk in and there's 478 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: these people and they're just like laughing and you know, 479 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: have getting married and having the best times of their lives. 480 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: And as investigators and researchers, like we look around and 481 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: we think, oh my gosh, like I know what happened here. 482 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know that everyone who goes there knows 483 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: exactly what happened there. No, I'm sure they don't. They 484 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: just sort of look right past it. And forgive me 485 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but I believe alcohol is a depressant, 486 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: So so there's that and I mean when you say 487 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: this family was an empire, all empires fall, they just do. 488 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you've heard of beer, so they 489 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: were the first to make Falstaff beer, which you may 490 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: have heard of a little obscure, and they sold that 491 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: label to someone else who continues to make it to 492 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: this day. But Leam's best friend was a Dolphus Bush 493 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: of course, Budweiser, right, and William Lem's daughter Hilda married 494 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: into the Papst family, perhaps Blue Ribbon, perhaps Budweiser, Falstaff. 495 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, these are the biggest names in beer, and 496 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: they all have a connection to this mansion, to this 497 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: empire that that you know, rose and then eventually fell. Well, 498 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: they also have suicides in their families as well. We 499 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: went into it in the first half already, but they 500 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: also kind of had not to the extent the Lamps did. 501 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: But it was just strange that like kind of around 502 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: the same time these deaths occurred in these big beer families. 503 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: So I know, when I'm kind of looking back to 504 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: my experience there, like I was there with Ghostenders. I 505 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: believe we were there for two nights and investigated and 506 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: so I was investigating with Chris Williams if anyone knows 507 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: Chris Williams. She is like the biggest skeptic you will 508 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: ever meet. Like, I remember us having experiences and she 509 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: would say she saw a shadow, and then she would 510 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: second guest herself twenty minutes later, and maybe I saw 511 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: a shadow. I'm not sure what I saw, you know, 512 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: but it Lent mansion. We did have this kind of 513 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: crazy experience where we were in the basement looking at 514 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: these this set of stairs and there's this little kind 515 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: of emergency light that sits at the foot of the 516 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: stairs so you don't fall down them. And both of 517 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: us saw some like feet cross in front of that light. 518 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: On two or three occasions, were just staring at it 519 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: looked like someone was walking up those stairs. And so 520 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: then when we kind of went closer to investigate, you know, 521 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: we were trying to kind of recreate it. We heard 522 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: upstairs someone walking around and stomping around upstairs, and you know, 523 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: we were convinced like maybe someone was up there. We 524 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: weren't aware of our crew or something like that. We 525 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: account for everyone, but no one was there. It was 526 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: almost like something was leading us up the stairs. And 527 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I think people experienced stuff like that on a regular 528 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: basis there. No. I remember talking to someone who had 529 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: worked in the building for ten years, and he was 530 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: telling me there was one night he was locked out 531 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: of one section of the building and he was walking 532 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: up the stairways and he saw a shadow suddenly coming 533 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: towards him quite quickly. All he remembers was that it 534 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: was very dark, and it was like the silhouette of 535 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: a man with a top hat. And he said, he said, 536 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: I swung my fist at it. I thought it was 537 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: getting jumped or something. My my fist went right through it. 538 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: I literally fell over from the inertia of the thing. 539 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: And then no one's there. And then of course he's 540 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: reminded that he's in a very haunted building, and this 541 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: is you know, he's heard things and heard other employees 542 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: talk about their experiences, and that happened to him. I mean, 543 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: he took a swing at a ghost. Uh. This is 544 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: not something you forget, obviously. It's a very real experience. 545 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: If your istoral reaction is to like try to hit it, 546 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: you're clearly seeing something in that moment, right, yeah, right exactly. 547 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: And then to me, places like let mansion you said before, 548 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: how people could be having parties and weddings and in 549 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of things and not even know the history, 550 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: but you probably know it's haunted. I mean, this is 551 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: one of the most prominent haunts in the United States. 552 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean it comes up on lists again and again. 553 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: But if you ask the question, well, why is this 554 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: place haunted? Well, now you've got to go back and 555 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: learn why and then connect connect to that history and 556 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: those suicides and the tragedy tragedies that we know, you know, 557 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: have happened before and will happen again. Wealthy families, you 558 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: know that that get rich and prosperous and then lose 559 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: everything and rather than be poor, that they'll take their 560 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: own lives. It's the tragic story that sadly has played 561 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: out many times even since. Now what do you think 562 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: of the rumors concerning the attic? Now suppose said ly 563 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: there is the spirit Zeke? Yes, So what do you 564 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: think of Zeke? Do you think what do you think 565 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: he actually haunts the I do you think Zeke existed? 566 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: What are your opinions on that? So? Yeah, William and 567 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Lillian right, so allegedly had a child named Zeke who 568 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: was physically deformed and had other problems, and they sort 569 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: of kept him locked away, which um sounds today, you know, 570 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 1: sort of ludicrous, but there was a time where that 571 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: was normal. Before the days of institutions, having someone in 572 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: your family like that was seen as a huge embarrassment, 573 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: which is tragic, right, I mean, these are human beings, 574 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: but that was a different time. You you would literally 575 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: lock folks in basements and in rooms and in addicts 576 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: and so on, rather than have people know that you know, 577 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: this is a family member. So it's not impossible. But 578 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: I found no documentation either, and I looked and looked, um, 579 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: but the story sticks around, and you know, sometimes as 580 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, when there's smoke, there's fire with this stuff. 581 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: So it's not impossible, but I can't say it absolutely 582 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: happened either. But then you know, who knows, do Zeke 583 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: become almost like this thought form, this idea that well, yeah, 584 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: this family probably had all kinds of secrets, and that 585 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: secret manifest itself as something haunting the attic, and then 586 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: those who may not know better or no for sure, 587 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: call it Zeke. And it might not be it might 588 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: be something else. It could be, you know, something weirder 589 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: than we can even guess, but we attach it to 590 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: that story and I sort of like that it sticks 591 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: around because there was a time where that happened and 592 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: we can't let that happen again to human beings. No, 593 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: we definitely cannot. It is interesting to me because there's 594 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: different reports as far as weather Zeke passed away at 595 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: sixteen or at thirty, and but you do have activity 596 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: that kind of lends itself to being childlike, which could 597 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: have something to do with when it was kind of 598 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: overflow for the local pediatric hospital as well. So it's 599 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: one of those things that we may never know. And 600 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: like you were saying that, it does bring into play 601 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: the whole idea that it could be some sort of 602 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: thought form. I mean, this place is invest deigated on 603 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: the regular They do do ghost tours a lot. You 604 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: do have a lot of investigators going in there. You know, 605 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: are they kind of bringing Zeke to life a little bit? 606 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: Who knows? Well? Yeah, well, you know, to like you 607 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: have a false sense of control. When you put a 608 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: name on a thing that bumps in the night, you're like, oh, 609 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: that's Zeke. You could be totally wrong, but if enough 610 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: people say it over and over, you think like, I've 611 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: labeled it. Therefore you know it's not so scary. We 612 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: do it all the time. I've called it like most 613 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: famous phenomenon, right, Like, you know, you're at an old 614 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: bed and breakfast in Virginia that says George Washington slept here, 615 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: and there's like a knock on the wall and it's 616 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: the ghost of George Washington, right, who slept there one night. 617 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, there are these kind of figures that have 618 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: stayed everywhere apparently, or have served time in every prison. 619 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, George Washington al capone high on that list, 620 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, so we've met them all. I actually have 621 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: another sort of theory on it, and maybe maybe Washington 622 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: is haunting all those places, or Carpona or anybody else, 623 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: because when you go into a location and you sort 624 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: of tune into that story in in a weird way, 625 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: you kind of summon it. You've done group investigations where 626 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: we bring people in to have these experiences, and how 627 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: many times has someone said, like, you know, you're at 628 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel in Colorado and someone's like, oh my gosh, 629 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: my grandmother's coming through and you're like, wow, did she 630 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: work here? Did she used to live here or visit 631 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: it a lot? No, she's never been to Colorado, right, 632 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: and you go, oh, and I'm not saying that they're wrong. 633 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they're in a mindset that they're 634 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: in a haunted place. It's dark, it's late at night, 635 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: and now they're open to things that are probably around 636 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: us all the time. We just don't think about them 637 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: when we're in the grocery store, you know, getting chips 638 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: and Falstaff beer. I think this goes for a lot 639 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: of haunted locations, even not necessarily people that you might know, 640 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: but just enough people investigating. I mean, there is this 641 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of idea that any nearby spirits or anyone that 642 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: you might kind of connect to my kind of heads 643 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: your way, you know, And so that could be the 644 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: case for the Lamp Mansion as well. I mean, when 645 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: people think about haunted places and Missouri, the Limp Mansion 646 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: is kind of like the top on the list. I 647 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, absolutely, And I have these tops trading 648 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: cards from years ago, and they only made a dozen 649 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 1: of them, but they were haunted places and the Lamp 650 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: was one of them. It's one of those places that 651 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: and you know, as investigators, it's it's been on every show. 652 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, all of them, right, if have been 653 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: at Lamp at some point, and it just makes it 654 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: more famous and for those of people that like to 655 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: check it out for themselves, it sort of calls to 656 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: you in a way. Meanwhile, you're also stepping in the 657 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: footprints of hundreds, if not thousands, of other investigators over 658 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: the years who have left their own, you know, residual 659 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: stuff behind as well. Yeah. Well, I mean I do 660 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: love that they embrace that past, like and when you 661 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: go to their website, it's you know, the hauntings are 662 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: front and center. There are a brewery, there's a Lamp 663 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: brewery there now, and they're kind of embracing all of it, 664 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: which and not much has changed either. When you go 665 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: in there, it is kind of a step back in time, 666 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: Like obviously it had some other incarnations since the family 667 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: left it, but I mean you walk in and it 668 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: looks like you would imagine it looked when that family 669 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: lived there, And and that's a big part of it, 670 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: isn't it. Right. I Mean, if it was completely renovated 671 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: with like neon lights and whatever, it takes you out 672 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: of the moment. But when you when you see that, 673 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: like you're there. I've said that like about the Queen Mary. 674 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: You walk onto that ship and you're like, wow, it 675 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: feels like it could be like I'm wearing a tuxedo 676 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: or something. It's that context is such an important part 677 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: of this, and I think it helps you tune in. 678 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: And if you're all open to the notion of history 679 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: being alive and and ghosts and spirits and so on, 680 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: a place like that, you know, no wonder. It's such 681 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: a hot bed. Absolutely, lots of hauntings. There are lots 682 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: of experiences I need to get back. I feel like 683 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: every time I go to Missouri, I'm kind of like 684 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: in the Kansas City area, but I need to like 685 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: mosey on over to St. Louis apparently and go see 686 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: some ghosts and have a beer. Absolutely, and what I love, 687 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: you know to it, and it's not lost you know 688 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: when you're when you're there, especially if you're from out 689 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: of state. Missouri is of course the show me state. 690 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: And that's all we want to see, isn't it. Just 691 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: show me the ghosts, Show me the ghosts. There's a 692 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: lot of them there. I think we're good now. Okay, okay, So, 693 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: first of all, your podcast, which I have listened to 694 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: quite a few episodes of New England Legends. Correct, thanks, 695 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: we don't ask much of you. They're only like fifteen 696 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: minutes long. Well, I love it because, like I have 697 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: become a New Englander in the last ten or twelve years, 698 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: which is so strange. When when we met, I was 699 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: still living in California, and so I love that showcases 700 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: local haunts. But I mean it really resonates with anyone, 701 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: Like even when I lived in California, I would have 702 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: listened to this podcast. Well, thank you, Yeah, no, it's 703 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: been so much fun. And what's cool is like our audience. 704 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the stories are really crowdsource now, and my 705 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: favorite stories are the totally obscure ones that I've never 706 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: heard of, you know, where someone's like, hey, I grew 707 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: up in this little town in Maine and we had 708 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: this like cursed grave, or there's this bottomless well or 709 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: that kids say is haunted. You know, just these story 710 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: worries that sounds familiar no matter where you live, because 711 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, these these things travel, but we have our 712 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: own local versions of them, and it's a connection to 713 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: incredible history, whether it's witches and witch trials or history 714 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: that left a mark or a scar or a stain, 715 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: if you will, And that's you know, the haunting that's 716 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: still around today. I just I absolutely adore and we 717 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: get to cover all kinds of weird stuff, not just ghosts, 718 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: but aliens and bigfoot and cryptids and every weird thing 719 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: in between. No, I love it because I'm always discovering 720 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: new stories on it. You guys have done just a 721 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: really great job with it. I super enjoy it. For real. 722 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want people to know about 723 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: what you're working You're always working on so much. You're 724 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: you're like as busy as I am. Use so many 725 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: irons in the fire. No. I've been doing a lot 726 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: of shock docs for Discovery plus have done seven of 727 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: them now, so um, that's that's been sort of fun. 728 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually on camera for those, so I'm not just 729 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: behind the scenes and that's been good. And working on 730 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: a new book just in time for Christmas next year, 731 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's gonna It's gonna save Christmas. That's 732 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: my objective. I can't wait. Well, you have been awesome 733 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: as always. I super appreciate you taking the time. And 734 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: someday maybe we'll be at the Lamp Mansion together looking 735 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: for ghosts and having a beer or two. Maybe they 736 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: have chardonnay for me, but I will have a beer 737 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: when one necessary. All right, Thank you, Jeff, I appreciate you. 738 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: Thanks Amy. Clearly, stories of the lamps still fascinate as 739 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 1: much today as they did when they were alive. While 740 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: I do believe the mansion to very much be haunted, 741 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: part of me hopes it's not by that family. With 742 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: all those demons haunting them in life. I so hope 743 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: they have moved on and aren't haunting us in death. 744 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: So next time you stop into Limp Mansion and pop 745 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: open a beer, think about all the history and turmoil 746 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: that fueled the beverage you are about to sip. I'm 747 00:39:53,080 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: Amy Brunei, and this was Haunted Road. M Haunted Road 748 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grim and 749 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written 750 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: by me Amy Bruney, additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The 751 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: show is edited and produced by rema El Kali and 752 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: supervising producer Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, 753 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio. 754 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: Visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 755 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows. H