1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, There's Andrew over there, the 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: guest producer. I'm wearing Adidas, Chuck is wearing Puma, Andrew's 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: wearing Reebok. None of us are speaking to one another 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, it's weird. Andrew was wearing white Reebok 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: high tops with bronze pantyhose and orange Dolphin running shorts. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: And he claims he doesn't work for Hooters part time. 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, yes, I like that. You didn't know 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: that because that means you don't go into Hooters. No, No, 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: I've seen pictures on TV. I had to go. Actually, 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I've only been there once, and that was when I 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: worked at that awful job with the Chicken Killers, and uh, 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: it was on a stupid work trip. They made me 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: go on and that was like the only place in town, 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: and all these yokels that I worked with were like, yeah, man, 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: let's go to Hooters. And I went in there and 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I was just like, my lord, what is They were 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: trapped in time. I've been there a couple of times. 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: Actually when I was a younger, younger, man, it's the same, 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I imagine it is. I'm sure. And I was there 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: on my twenty first birthday in Jacksonville because it was 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: the only place open. It was like it's a Tuesday 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: night or something, and I was like, this is this 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: is not the best twenty first birthday all ever. Half yeah, 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: and hey, we don't want to yuck your yum. If 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: you're if you work at Hooters, or if you'd love 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: going there, more power to you. Sure, sure, right, that's 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: pretty awesome that you said you don't want to yuck 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: any once yung. Yeah, it's funny. I was thinking about 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when uh, it was like 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: the Castanza moment when he thought of a line after 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: the moment when you were talking about how I was 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: crazy for not liking olives, and I got onto you. 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I should have said, don't yum my yuck, right, or 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: I was just funny you said that. Because I was 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: thinking about that later on too, I thought that I 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: should have said, well, actually, I'm not yucking you're yum. 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm yucking you're yuck, which is different. You know, think 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: about it, man, are you thinking about it. I think 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: it's weird that we both thought about that moment afterward. 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I think so too, because usually we just go back 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: into our hyperbolic chambers and float for the next six days. 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: It's pretty great life. We have pretty nice just soaking 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: in our own urine. God, don't you pee in your 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: hyperbaric chamber? Yeah, but I mean that's how you're supposed 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: to fill it up, right, right, So, Chuck, Obviously, what 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about today is athletic gear, sports shoes in particular, 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: and two of the most well known sports brands in 50 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: the entire world, Adidas and Puma. And some people might 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: not know this, Chuck, but Adidas and Puma were founded 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: by two brothers who spent many decades of their lives 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: not speaking to one another. And some people might even 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: know that that their arrival brands founded by rival brothers, 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: But I guarantee they don't know the full story behind 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the one of the most bitter family rivalries of all 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: time that gave us Adidas and Puma. And it is 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: extraordinarily fascinating. There's there's Nazis, there's run d m C. 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: There's all this stuff all rolled into one and it 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: turns out that this is it's one of the better 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: stories I ever come across. That's right. And before we 62 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: dive into that awesome story to head off emails, I 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: know I said hyperbolic inside of Hipperbarick. No such thing 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: as a hyperbolic chamber could be. It's a chamber that 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm the biggest chamber ever probably, So all right, 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: so let's this is a great story. And I had 67 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: heard uh bits and pieces of this over the years, 68 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: but it is interesting that Nazis and run DMC and 69 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: feuding brothers all come together too. Because you know, my Pumas. 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I've been a Puma guy for many, many years, even 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: though I did have a pair of Adidas Superstars at 72 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: one point, but they're too uh flashy. No, I liked them, 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: but they were you know, white shoes aren't good on me. 74 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I get get them too dirty too quick. Yeah, So 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: now I just vary my Pumas between the black and 76 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the black suede and sort of like the olive green 77 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: swade usually. You know, Adidas makes non white shoes you 78 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: could try. Yeah, but those classic white Superstars with the 79 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: three blue stripes, those, yeah, those are the ones. The 80 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: shell toes. Yeah, well, I mean they have some other 81 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: cool ones to like. Gazelles are pretty cool, like the 82 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: the flat bottomed soccer shoe. And yeah, my my brother 83 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: was in duw I've worked Gazelles for a while when 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: I was a soccer poser. But my brother was into 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Stan Smiths. Oh yeah, those are cool too. I've got 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: some some stand Smiths. They are like this blue mesh. 87 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: And now that I think about it, if I have 88 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: a loyalty to either one, it would be Adidas. But 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't consider myself like Adidas loyal Well, 90 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm a Puma guy just because they look good on 91 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: me and they're comfy. But I was also a low 92 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: top Converse All Star guy for a while. And in 93 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: high school, of course, in the preppy days, I was 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: all about the Tree Torrents. I never had Tree Torrents. 95 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: It was a look. Oh, I know for sure I was. 96 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: I was right after Tree Torns when I started getting 97 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: his shoes case Swiss We're in. Yeah, I've never had 98 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: any of those. Uh. And then what was the other shoe? 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: The the vans Um There's a particular style of Vans 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: that I really still enjoy. The slip on ones with 101 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: the black and white checks. No, those are cool, but 102 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can pull those off at seven. 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: You could, but people will laugh at you behind your back. 104 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: That's already happening. Uh yeah, I'll remember at some point. Okay, well, 105 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: just shout it out. And plus, I just wanted to 106 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: cover our basis by saying as many name brands as possible. 107 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: Don't forget British Nights, the b KS. Um, So Chuck, 108 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: let's start the story, shall We were gonna have to 109 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: get in the way back machine for this one, okay, 110 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: and this is also full of urine, so that was 111 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: you though. Let's let's let everybody know. Um, we're gonna 112 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: go back to the end of World War One in 113 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: Germany and We're going to go to a little town 114 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: that I'm going to let you pronounce because I've been 115 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: trying and I cannot do it. And I thought it 116 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: was interesting that we're recording this now because we just 117 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: acknowledged and recognized the UH one years removed from World 118 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: War One. The end of World War One, Yeah, in 119 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the beginning of the Spanish flu that killed like three 120 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: times as many people. Right after it. It's another celebration, 121 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: right so so we're going back there. We're just going 122 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: back a hundred days almost to the day. Yeah, and 123 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: so that the name of that town is uh, well 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: I could have done at least that good Hurtzela. It's 125 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: it's not exactly said that like that. Here, let's let's 126 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: play this. That's how it said. Okay, okay, So so 127 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: maybe we should just have that voice say of for use, 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: but we're not going to it. Turns out the locals 129 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: just called the town hurts So, sure, that's all we'll 130 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: call it. But it's a little tiny village in Bavaria. 131 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: They can't even pronounce it. No, they're like, we're not 132 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: even going to try. And we were born here. Don't 133 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: don't be too hard on yourself, Josh, is what they're saying. 134 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Um so in Hurts. So it's a little town in Bavaria, 135 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: little village. There's a river running through it, significantly. Yes. 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: And in um around nineteen eighteen, one of the villagers 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: who was born there, a guy named um Adolph desk Ler, 138 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: takes a seat in his mother's laundry. His mother ran 139 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: a laundry out of out of their house, and he 140 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: starts cobbling athletic shoes, specifically track shoes, I think, to 141 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: begin with, and he had a knack for it. Um, 142 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: he started making shoes that athletes actually wanted pretty pretty 143 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: early on, pretty much out of the gate, and he 144 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: started doing so well so quickly that within a year 145 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: or two, he asked his older brother, who was by 146 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: far the more outgoing extrovert salesmany type of the of 147 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the two brothers, his older brother Rudolph, to start selling 148 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: his shoes, start kind of creating a business operation out 149 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: of it. And I think within just a few years, um, 150 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: they had twelve employees and they founded a company called 151 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: Sports far Brick Gabrueder Dassler, which they called Ghetta for short. Yeah, 152 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: so Gebruder is uh, you know for brothers. So Gebruda 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Dossler is the Dossler Brothers company. Um, And people were like, wow, 154 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: so I don't have to wear my high heeled leather 155 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: sport boot any longer, pitch, I don't have to tie 156 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: some sharp rocks to the bottom on my feet. Uh. 157 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: So their nicknames you'll probably heres refer to them as 158 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: uh Addie and Rudy, r U d I and uh 159 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: you'll if you kind of put your head to it. 160 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: You can see where this is headed. This is exciting. 161 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: So uh, the laundry business wasn't going well. So like 162 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: you said, little Addie started making these shoes and things 163 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: started going great. Um. And it turns out they made 164 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: a pretty good team at first because they complimented one another, 165 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: uh and what they were and what they were good at. 166 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: So Addie was creative, uh and he was the brains 167 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: and Rudy was a little more extroverted and he was 168 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: a really good salesperson. Right, so they start to do 169 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good, pretty good business. Um. And it's it's 170 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: if you're like, well, it's a weird thing to start 171 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: doing as a younger man, to start making supports shoes. 172 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: It turns out that hurt So is like a shoemaking town, 173 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: has a long tradition of shoemaking. And in for example, 174 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: their population was thirty undred, but they had a hundred 175 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: and twelve shoemakers. That's a high shoemaker to regular population ratio. 176 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: So it's not the weirdest thing ever. But they're plotting along, 177 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: they're making really high quality shoes, like right out of 178 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: the gate. Um, Addie had a real like I said, 179 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: a talent for making high quality athletic shoes, and one 180 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: of the first things they made were track shoe that 181 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: that one of these articles says looks like a ballet 182 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: slipper with some nails coming out of the front of it, 183 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: the front, bottom, the four soul and it was um 184 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: it just changed everything. It was a genuinely great track shoe. 185 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: At the time, they they people who were running sprinters 186 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: who are running track, they didn't have any traction when 187 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: they were taking off. This gave them traction and just 188 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: gave an immediate um lag up over the competition. And 189 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: so the athletes like really really liked the shoes that 190 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: they were putting out and the company started to grow 191 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: and grow and grow, and then I think the nineteen 192 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight Olympics in Los Angeles is where they really 193 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: debuted their shoes. And a German sprinter was wearing a 194 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: pair of their track shoes and all he won was 195 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: a bronze medal. But he won a bronze medal, uh 196 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: wearing the Dassler Brothers shoes and as a German sprinter exactly, 197 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: so that should say at all it does. So he 198 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: was wearing these track spikes and this this helped him. 199 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: This got him a little bit of notoriety, but it 200 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: was really in Ni in Berlin at that very very 201 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: famous Olympic Games, where a young athlete named Jesse Owens 202 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: dominated and literally tore up the track wearing those uh 203 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Gibruda Dassler track spikes with Hitler in the stands and 204 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: people are like, those shoes are amazing, and Jesse Owens 205 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: was like, it's kind of me, but yeah, sure the 206 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: shoes are great, but I'm also vastly superior athlete to 207 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: the rest of these jumps out here. Yeah. So um. 208 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: That was the Olympics that Jesse Owen's famously finished in 209 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: first place, won the gold and did another lap around 210 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: the track, went up into the stands and slapped Hitler 211 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: right in the face. Man slapt his little stash right 212 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: off that lip. So um. The fact that Jesse Owens 213 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: was wearing these shoes immediately brought international attention to ghet A, 214 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: the gi Brewer Um Dossler company. Um so they I 215 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: saw one article that said, had World War two not happened, 216 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: this this business would have just gone global immediately, and 217 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: it started to. But then when World War two broke out, 218 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: and that was the nineteen thirty six Olympics. I think 219 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: I said the Olympics. It was I think that the 220 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two Olympics that I talked about first. But 221 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: at the Olympics. Within just a couple of years, the 222 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Nazis invaded Poland, and uh, we're running Germany and World 223 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: War two kicked off in earnest and the time for 224 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: sports apparel kind of got derailed a little bit. Yeah. So, um, 225 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: just like in the United States and and actually in 226 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: countries all over the world, Uh, the war effort was. Uh, 227 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: it's not like they were just like, all right, we 228 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: have a few companies that manufacture military needs for our 229 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: military and that's gonna be good enough. It's like, no, 230 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: we need to really co opt kind of any manufacturing 231 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: that we want to to go toward the war effort. 232 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: And certainly Germany did that along with the US and 233 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: and kind of everyone else. Um, and everything from Hugo 234 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Boss to luft Hanza to these little shoemakers in this 235 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: small town in Bavaria. Yeah, they're they're factories were co 236 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: opted for the war effort basically, and what the Dossler 237 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: brother There's factory ended up making are something called the 238 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Ponza Shrek, which means the tank Terror, and it was 239 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: modeled after the American Bazukah, which was one of the 240 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: first shoulder mounted recoil lest rocket launchers that had enough 241 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: power to punch right through a tank and blow up 242 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: everybody inside. They were nasty little buggers. And the Ponza 243 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: Shrek was the German version of the bazuka. And the 244 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: German version of the Bazuka was created in the Dossler 245 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,359 Speaker 1: Brothers shoe factory. Yeah, it's uh, December nineteen forty three 246 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: is when they kind of made the full switch in 247 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: these these little you know, German ladies who were so 248 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: in shoes the week before were now manufacturing uh, German bazukash. 249 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: The good news is by this side because these things 250 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: were really effective actually, and had they been um, had 251 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: they been brought into the war sooner, thing might have 252 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: really changed. But thankfully, by this time, even though they 253 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: were doing the job, it was too late. The tides 254 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: had turned and the Allies were were steaming toward victory, 255 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and even though they started pumping out these bazukas, it 256 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: was sort of too little, too late. Yeah, have you 257 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: ever wondered about the name bazuka, not until just now. Okay, 258 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: well I did, and I was like, what does a 259 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: bazooka mean? Apparently there was a an entertainer. I think 260 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: he might have been vaudeville, kind of a country act, 261 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: and he Joe, I can't remember his name, doesn't matter. 262 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: He created a musical instrument out of brass called a bazuka, 263 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: and um it was kind of like a trumpet and 264 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: a trombone together. It was a weird little instrument, but 265 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: he was popular enough that in the bazuka looked like 266 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: his instrument enough that it became called the bazuka. This 267 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: this shoulder mounted rocket launcher. Interesting, I thought, so too, 268 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Sure why not? But the point is is that all 269 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Germans, who had been totally helpless 270 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: against the American tank divisions, were messing the American tank 271 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: divisions up. And the source of their their power was 272 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: the Dossler Brothers shoe factory. And you mentioned their their 273 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: seamstresses welding bazukas together. They're also in their factory there 274 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: was forced labor of French POWs, so they had slaves 275 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: and the seamstresses working together to create bazukas. To take 276 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: out the American tank divisions of the Allied tank divisions 277 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: thanks to the companies that would eventually become Adidas and Puma. 278 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: All Right, that's a great setup. That's only part one 279 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: into what is a very interesting story. So we're gonna 280 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: take a little break and we'll come back and talk about, um, 281 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: what went wrong with these two brothers right after this 282 00:16:47,840 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: as skak all Right, So we're gotta we gotta go 283 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: back in time a little bit, because we we sped 284 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: right up to World War Two. It was just too 285 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: interesting to wait to talk about any longer. But we 286 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: need to go back to about nineteen thirty three because, uh, 287 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: these brothers ended up fracturing in a big, big way. Um. 288 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: And there have been, you know, some legendary sibling rivalries 289 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: through the years, but this is this is really one 290 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: of the greats uh. And I believe even Rudy wrote, 291 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: as an older man, the relation to my brother was 292 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: ideal from nineteen twenty four to nineteen thirty three. Then 293 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: his young wife tried to interfere with business matters, although she, 294 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: with her sixteen years, had no experience at all, and 295 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: the wall fapp again. So here's how the story goes, 296 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: is it a nineteen thirty three Addie was uh, indeed 297 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: married to a sixteen year old, which seems very creepy now, 298 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: but back then it was not the strangest thing in 299 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: the world. Slightly less creepy. Slightly less creepy. Well, they 300 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: just it was a different time. So he was married 301 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: to a sixteen year old and tried to get involved 302 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: in the business. Rudy was not happy about this, and 303 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: they all lived together. The two brothers and their wives 304 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: all lived together in the same town house, which is 305 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: not a great recipe for success anyway, right, You know, 306 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: you need to have your own place. So you can 307 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: imagine that all the little bickering and snide remarks and 308 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: just all the stuff that if you have two couples 309 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: that don't really really really like and love each other, 310 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: um living together will will accumulate. If you translate that 311 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: to a business relationship, it's going to be hard on 312 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: the business than it was. So there was apparently am 313 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: a series of just little things like that. But the 314 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: as far as the family legend goes, the real break 315 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: happened during World War Two when the Allies were bombing 316 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: the juror the the village of Hurtzo and the Rudy 317 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: and his wife made it made their way to the bunker, 318 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: the bomb shelter, and shortly after that, Addie and his wife, 319 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I think her name was kata Um, they made their 320 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: way into the bomb shelter and when they entered, he said, oh, 321 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: it looks like the bastards are here again. And Addie 322 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: apparently went to his grave saying that he was referring 323 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: to the Allied bombers. But Rudy took it that Addie 324 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: was talking about Rudy and his wife, and apparently that 325 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: was the final straw. Yeah, this was true evidence that 326 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: things were really bad. If something is simple, possibly it's 327 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: just a little misunderstanding of whether or not the bastards 328 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: were the Allies bombing or you my brother and my 329 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: sister in law, right, So I mean things were things 330 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: were pretty bad. If this is what did it? Right, 331 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: So that that's World War Two still going on, and 332 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: at some point Rudy gets called to go fight for 333 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: the Nazis. He gets drafted, so Rudy has to go 334 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: to war, and the whole time he's away, he's he's 335 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: so this rift has already happened, so he's suspecting one 336 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: that his brother and his brother's wife plotted to get 337 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: him drafted. And he can't get that that idea out 338 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: of his head so much so that apparently multiple times 339 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: he deserted his post to go home to make sure 340 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: that he wasn't being ousted from the business he built 341 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: with his brother Um. And then he gets arrested for desertion, 342 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: and he's sure that his little brother read it him 343 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: out for desertion, and so he's arrested. He's held for 344 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: a while, and as he's making his way back after 345 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: the war to hurt So he gets picked up by 346 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: the Allies for under suspicion of being a Gestapo agent. 347 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: He's sure again this is a little brother ODDI who 348 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: got him this time landed in a e OW camp 349 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: that he stays in for a little while. And it 350 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: turns out he was right. There is documentary evidence from 351 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: an American officer who took the accusation down, and apparently 352 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: it was Addie who went to the Americans and said, 353 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: my brother is a Gesta. You may want to arrest him. Jerk. 354 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: This is the level of stuff these brothers are doing 355 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: to one another. Um, and the riff just kept getting 356 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger. There's one other thing we 357 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: have to say, because uh, the wife, the younger wife, 358 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: the sixteen year old kata Um gets historically blamed for 359 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: creating this riff to think, in a lot of ways unfairly, 360 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: she's also the one who saved the family business single handedly. Yeah. 361 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: So in April, the Americans uh march into Hurts. Those 362 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: tanks pull up in front of that factory and the soldiers, 363 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: American soldiers are out there like kind of going over 364 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: what they should do. Should we destroy this building or not. 365 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: This is the place where the pondser shrucks were made. Yeah. 366 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: So Oddie's wife, kata comes out and she basically walks 367 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: right up to these uh enemy soldiers and says, we 368 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: only want to make shoes, We only desire to make shots. 369 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: And they're like, why are you talking like Colonel Clint, 370 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: and she said, we all do okay, uh, And that's 371 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: basically like she convinced them to spare the factory. They 372 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: did so. And not only that, the air the Air 373 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Force US Air Force set up operations there at their 374 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: air base and realized that they really liked these shoes. Well, 375 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: they found out that this was the company that made 376 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: Jesse Owen's famous track shoes. Yeah, and so they went 377 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: off the charts. They started getting these huge orders for 378 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: sports teams, American sports teams because of this. So this 379 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: is all going on. Um, it's all starting while Rudy's 380 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: off in the pow camp because his brother rated him out, 381 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: and the is this all of a sudden is starting 382 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: to turn international like like like you said, people around 383 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: the world are taking notice of this thanks to the 384 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: American g i s who were coming back with this 385 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: um gheta sportswear. Um. And when when Rudy comes back, 386 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: it's done. His brothers rated him out. There was the 387 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: whole thing in the bomb shelter, and the brothers split 388 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: the company that they built together. They split, get Bruder, 389 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: Tessler and or Dostler and they go off and found 390 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: their own companies. Yeah, fifteen years after that bunker incident, 391 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: so it was it took a long time to finally 392 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: boil over. And in between there was another war. They 393 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: were not good Nazis, we should point out, uh kind 394 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: of you know, there were members of the Nazi Party 395 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: and Rudy did get drafted. But like he said, he 396 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: deserted his post a lot and they you know, they 397 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: really did just want to sell shoes. Right, He's like 398 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: Dwight Shrewts uncle or grandfather who spent a lot of 399 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: the war in Allied pow camp. That's right. So, like 400 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: you said, they split up the company. And we mentioned 401 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: earlier that this river ran through the center of town, 402 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: and I said significant, And it is significant because it 403 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: literally divided the town and they set up their business. 404 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: It's not like one of them said, well I'm going 405 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: off to Berlin. They just set up camp on opposite 406 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: sides of that river. Audi Dossler said, I will name 407 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: my company Addids. Actually at first they named it odd Us. 408 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but everyone said that stinks. Well, no, that 409 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: that was a different one. That one. There was a 410 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: children's footwear line already called odd Us, so he added 411 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: the eye and turned it into Adidas. Yeah, Rudy went 412 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: with Ruda, and everyone said that no one's gonna buy 413 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: is shoes named Ruda, especially in the United States. And 414 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: he said, I don't understand, and they said, don't worry 415 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: about it. So somehow he got Puma out of Ruda, right, 416 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: which I don't get. But it's a name that's stuck. Yeah, 417 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: and it works. Puma is definitely better than Ruda for sure. 418 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: So these two go off and form directly competing companies 419 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: that split from the same company that the brothers had 420 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: founded together, and Adidas and Puma started making pretty good 421 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: headway out of the gate at first. UM Rudy had 422 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: the sales team, had the marketing team, had the the 423 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: ability to to move some product. But ODDI had the 424 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: technical know how, the dedication to making high quality footwear 425 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: that athletes, like professional athletes, wanted to wear, and so 426 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: he could get his shoes onto athletes who would wear 427 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: them on the world stage. And eventually his his I 428 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: guess his tack one out over his brothers and and 429 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: from from a very early stage on, Adidas has always 430 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: led Puma, at least as far as, like say, revenue goes. Yeah, 431 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: and you know, there were mistakes from both of them 432 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: along the way business wise. UM one of the big 433 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: ones for Puma early on was that Rudolph got into 434 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: a spat with a coach of the German national soccer team. Uh. 435 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: And of course all that did was opened the door 436 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: for his brother and Adidas to go in there and say, 437 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: what about the shoes, which is exactly what happened. And 438 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: so at the nineteen fifty four World Cup, Germany wears 439 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: Adidas with those signature stripes, and even though they were 440 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: not favored at all West Germany actually won against uh 441 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: who Hungary, I believe, and that was a huge, huge 442 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: deal on the national international stage. It was like the 443 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: miracle on ice on grass. You mean they were stoned. 444 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: They were all stoned out of their gods, the miracle 445 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: on ice on grass. That that might have legs. My 446 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: friend trademark that, well, I do officially right now, trademarked. 447 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: I love it. So that was one mistake. Um. Adidas 448 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: would of course go on to make some mistakes later. 449 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: UM I know that that you sent that one article 450 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: where they talked about how um they said, you know 451 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: at one point that like yogging, no one's gonna do that, 452 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: So we're not gonna make yogging shoes and aerobics. That's uh, 453 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: that's a flash in the pan. Sure, who cares about 454 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: physical fitness. So you mentioned Rebok earlier. It's hard for 455 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: the young folks out there who are listening to to 456 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: know this, but there was a time when Reebok was 457 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: the name in sports apparel well plus all yeah, and Reebok. 458 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: This article says that they lost their way at some point, 459 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: But the way that Reebok kind of took the lead 460 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: for a little while was saying, no, we'll get into jogging, 461 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: we'll get into aerobics, and we'll make this stuff um 462 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: at a time when Adidas and Puma were ignoring it. 463 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: One of the other mistakes that both Adidas and Puma 464 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: made was that they were so focused on beating one 465 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: another they just completely dropped the ball as it were 466 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: on the rise of Nike, and Nike was able to 467 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: take over and apparently right out of the gate, and 468 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: since then Nike has always been the leader in sports apparel. Yeah, 469 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: and Adidas is two and pumas three. Right, Yeah, amazing. 470 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: So you have an option these days. You can buy 471 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: your sports apparel from a company that's been known to 472 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: use child labor, or company that used forced French labor 473 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: under the auspices of the Nazi Party in World War Two. Hooray, 474 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: let's take a break. Yeah, we'll take a break, and 475 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk about how this riff uh still oddly carries 476 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: over in that town today and run dmc SK should 477 00:28:52,840 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 1: know SK alright. So back in the day when they 478 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: first split off this company and that river's running through 479 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: this town, it was a really big deal. Uh. It 480 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: wasn't just a sibling rivalry. It became a town wide rivalry. 481 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: And that you you worked for one company or the 482 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: other as a family, like husband and wife didn't work, 483 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: they didn't split up, and one worked at Puma and 484 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: one worked at Adidas. But plus, I mean, if you 485 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: fell in love with somebody from a family across the 486 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: river like you, that was sorry that you got a 487 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet thing going on. That ain't gonna work. 488 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Crazy it is, and I was glad that this. One 489 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: of the local historians who was interviewed for one of 490 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: these articles said, it wasn't like bloody or anything like 491 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: someone lost their lives over this. It was just, you know, 492 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: if you worked for Puma, you stayed on the Puma 493 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: side of the river, If you worked for Adidas, you 494 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: stayed on the Adida side of the river. And each 495 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: each group kept to themselves. That was all. Yeah, And 496 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: it still carries over to this day. Um, some of 497 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: those recent interviews that we both read, I mean, it's 498 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: certainly now it's a little more good natured ribbing. But 499 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: they say, when you walk around this town, walk through 500 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: a playground and you see will you will see kids 501 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: kid it out in all Adidas or all Puma. And 502 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: this is carried down from generations where they were Adidas 503 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: or Puma families, and it was it was a really 504 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: big deal and still remains so to this day, such 505 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: that the the mayor who actually came from a Puma family. 506 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: But to be mayor, you can't, you know, you gotta 507 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: be a politician. Sure, so he will wear to some events, 508 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: casual events, Puma gear and sometimes Adidas gear. Eventually, in 509 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, they had a friendly soccer match between 510 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: the official Puma sponsored team and Adidas team, and he 511 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: wore one Puma shoe and one Adidas shoe just to 512 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: remain neutral, I guess, and to look like a total 513 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: jackass probably so then it showed him rubbing like his 514 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Puma his Adidas foot. Later on they called him on camera. 515 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: So this was, like you said, there was a soccer 516 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: game that was played between Adidas and Puma, kind of 517 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: a reconciliation thing on International Peace Day back and I 518 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: think two thousand nine, um that happened. Think about this 519 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: the the Rude, the Rudy and Audi Dostler died in 520 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: the seventies within four years of each other. This was 521 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: two thousand nine before the companies finally kind of had 522 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: this um reconciliation game. And yeah, today still it's like 523 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: you kind of will you'll gently, you know, make fun 524 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: of somebody wearing Adidas if you're a Puma family or whatever. 525 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: But while the brothers were alive, you just steered clear 526 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: of everybody who was on the on the other side. 527 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: And so much so that Hurtzo was known as the 528 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: town of the lowered gaze, because if you came upon 529 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: somebody on the street, you would look at their shoes 530 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: to see what shoes they were wearing before you decided 531 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: whether you're gonna talk to that. It was that it 532 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: was that established this brother these brothers hatred and rivalry 533 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: of one another, and they didn't speak for decades. Um 534 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: spread out into the town that was divided by this river, 535 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: and the town itself took sides because of this riff 536 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: between these brothers that all started supposedly in this bomb 537 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: shelter during World War two. Yeah, and the mayor Hacker 538 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: his first name is German, could that be right. Uh, 539 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: the journalists the German or the journalist is really lazy 540 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: and didn't they were just like, it's a he's a 541 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: German or just gonna call him that. I wonder if 542 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: he pronounces that German that's whatever, or Herman because they 543 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: don't say Germany over there anyway. But yeah, they say 544 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: Deutsche linn. Yeah. But but would would it be Herman 545 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: or no? I guess they spelled the herman's with an H. Yeah, 546 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: I think it would be mayor German hakka right? Oh? Yeah. 547 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: There is a nature German, Hacky Saka, who was on grass. Uh. 548 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: But he says, if someone someone comes in through the 549 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: door to this day, your gay still wanders to their shoes. 550 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: It's just in the DNA of those people that this 551 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: athletic gear is so important. It's so strange, such a cool, cool, 552 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: weird story. It is a great story, um, of sibling 553 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: rivalry and bitterness and hatred. And like you said, they 554 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't speak for decades apparently UM much later in life. 555 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: There were a couple of times when they were a 556 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: rumor to have spoken. Once. I think they ran into 557 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: each other at an airport. Once they saw each other 558 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: at a hotel uh and I believe on the deathbed, 559 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: which one tried to get in touch with the other, 560 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: Rudy Ruddy put out the call said I would like 561 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: to see my brother Audi one more time, and Addi 562 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: went no, thanks, I'm good nine. Can you believe it? Yeah, man, 563 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: that's that's tough. So they died. The families sold the 564 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: business in the eighties late eighties, and they got bought 565 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: by UM like corporate conglomerates. Ironically, Puma now owns Reebok 566 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: and Gucci owns Puma. Adidas is still just Adidas, but 567 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: again it's it's owned by like a mega conglomerate UM 568 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: and they just gone enormous and make billions of dollars 569 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: a year. So the families aren't necessarily involved. But one 570 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: family member still works in the business. His name is 571 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: Frank Dossler. I believe he was Rudy's grandson and he 572 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: used to work at Puma. He was pretty high up 573 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: in Puma. Now he works as the head of the 574 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: legal department for Adidas. It's a pretty good indication of 575 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: how how much this Cold War is kind of thawed 576 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: between the two companies quite a bit. Because the people 577 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: who are running it have no in in the game. 578 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: They don't they don't care anymore, you know. Yeah. Or 579 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: he's an attorney and he would just after the most money, right, 580 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: He's like, let me suck. So we have a fun 581 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: little PostScript on this. I know we've been talking about 582 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: run dmc uh and again you young inn's. It might 583 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: be second nature now to associate athletic gear and hip 584 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: hop and rap music and culture, but back in the 585 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties that was not the case until run 586 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: DMC came along. No, like your your rappers probably dressed 587 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: like a Gonen King um or maybe like the New 588 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: York Dolls, Yeah, or just like I mean sometimes I 589 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: feel like I've seen just like denim jackets and just 590 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: sort of like just sort of streetwear, which is the 591 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: unhip thing I've ever said. It was pretty unhip. I 592 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to say any theme, so you know, play close. 593 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: So run DMC changed everything when released a single called 594 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: My Adidas and I saw elsewhere that they released a 595 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: single My Adidas kind of in retaliation to a song 596 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: called felon Shoes. So if you ever noticed that, um, 597 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: run DMC wore their Adidas without laces with the tongues 598 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: popped out. That was supposedly because that's how people in 599 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: prison had to wear their shoes because they weren't allowed 600 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: to have shoelaces, and they were kind of saying like, 601 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: we're down with all of our buddies in prison. So 602 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: this song Fell in Shoes basically was making fun of 603 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: that and basically teaching kids not to not to emulate prisoners, 604 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: and Run d m C took issue with that, and 605 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: they ended up releasing My Adidas the song on Raising 606 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: Hell in nine six. Sorry Raisin Hell. Yes, I remember 607 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: my family was on a bust to Disney World once, 608 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: I think in the windows were foggy and I was 609 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: so into Run d m C. I just wrote Raisin 610 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: Hell in the fog on the window. People on the 611 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: bus thought that was really hilarious. Is a great story. 612 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: So um, I was into my Adidas too because of 613 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: Run d m C. But it wasn't just me. Apparently, 614 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: if you went to a Run DMC show on the 615 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: Raisin Hell Tour or the Together Forever Tour or eighty seven, 616 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: when they sang my Adidas, everybody would take off their 617 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: shoes and hold their Adidas in the air. That's how 618 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: that's how big of an impact this song had. Yeah, 619 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: And in six a senior employee Adidas named Angelo Anastasio 620 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: went to that tour at Madison Square Garden saw this 621 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: happen with the Adida sneakers and it was like, hold 622 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: on a minute, wait just a second, we could have 623 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: something here. Ran back to the headquarters and uh, within 624 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: just a few days, they signed them to a million 625 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: dollar endorsement deal. And that was like a sea change 626 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: forward for hip hop groups getting money in all sorts 627 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, and apparently made Adidas's sales just go 628 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: through the roof. Oh yeah, yeah. And it's like that 629 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: began the marriage of like I'm gonna put out a record, 630 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a shoe deal, i might get a 631 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: vodka sponsor, Like, oh yeah, I'll get money flown in 632 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: from all kinds of directions and run DMC started it. 633 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: All vodka's fonts or it's hilarious. Sure, I feel like 634 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: I've seen that now. Oh yeah, you know you totally 635 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: have like P Diddy and Si Rock vodka. I think, yeah, 636 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: look at works. I associate P Diddy and Rock vodka. 637 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: Andrew's nodding, correct, awesome, Thanks Andrew, Jerry would have been like, what, 638 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm my miso is getting cold? Right, key, guys, hurry up? 639 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: Uh we will hurry up, Ghost of Jerry. If you 640 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: want to know anything else about Adidas and Puma, will 641 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: just go start reading up more. There's actually a book 642 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: by a woman named Barbara Smit called Sneaker Wars appropriately 643 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: um all about the rift between Adidas and Puma. So 644 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about it, that's a 645 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: pretty good place to start. And since I said that 646 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail, yeah, I'm gonna call 647 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: this uh sponges. Hey, guys, I was listening to Pando 648 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: and I was excited y'all mentioned glass sponges, which are 649 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: thought to be the oldest animals on Earth. I am 650 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: a PhD student at the Scripts Institution of Oceanography in 651 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: San Diego, and I study marine sponges because they make 652 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: all sorts of unique molecules that can be used as 653 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: new medicines. I think sponges at the coolest animals on Earth, 654 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: and I'd love to share some of my favorite sponge 655 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: fun facts. Ready. Not only are sponges thought to be 656 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: the oldest living, uh single living animals on Earth, but 657 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: Some evolutionary biologists even think sponges were the first animals 658 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: to ever evolve. In other words, are last common animal 659 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: ancestor could very well have been a sponge. Did you 660 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: know the first antiviral drug approved by the FDA was 661 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: developed from a molecule in a c sponge. I didn't 662 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: until just now as it PhD student. I collect and 663 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: study sponges because they are known to produce thousands bioactive molecules, 664 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: many of which have met a medicinal potential. I think 665 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible that the ocean may hold the cure 666 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: to some of the most devastating human diseases, and I 667 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: hope my work might inspire people to protect the world's 668 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: oceans and the valuable resources within them. Heck yeah, thanks 669 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,959 Speaker 1: for all the hard work you guys put into the show. 670 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: Y'all have kept me company on many a long night 671 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: in the lab with my sponges. That's awesome. It makes 672 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: me want to go chew on a sponge and see 673 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: what happened. That's right, that's from Kayla Wilson from San Diego. 674 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Kayla, Thanks for the work you're doing too. 675 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for saving humanity from grave diseases. Yeah, we'll 676 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: look into these sponges as you call them. If you 677 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: want us to look into anything that we put in 678 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: scare quotes, well we want to know about it. You 679 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,760 Speaker 1: can go onto our website, stuff you Should Know dot com, 680 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: follow us on our social links. There you can get 681 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: in touch with us. You can also send us a 682 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: good old fashioned email, wrap it up, spank that thing 683 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: on the bottom and send it off to Stuff podcast 684 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com for more on this 685 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: and thousands of other topics. Is it how stuff works 686 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah,