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Speaker 1: When you do, it's me Joey Pit Joe Pi's Apia.
Speaker 1: That of course is the Welsh's hair looks magnificent today.
Speaker 1: I already told him, and it's all of you. It's
Speaker 1: the Peanuts and the Cracker Jacks and today, boys and girls,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good show. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Yesterday was, in essence, the perfect show he wanted to
Speaker 1: having his in baseball, where you have the perfect show
Speaker 1: where everything, all the universe, all the stars, everything aligns
Speaker 1: all at one time, and we had that yesterday on
Speaker 1: the program. In the middle of the program we willed
Speaker 1: the call up of Ellie de la Cruz. Literally minutes later,
Speaker 1: Ellie de la Cruz got called up. We discussed how
Speaker 1: alec Mino was gonna get sent down. Not only did
Speaker 1: he get sent down, he got sent down to Little League.
Speaker 1: I think the AAU team was full, so they had
Speaker 1: to put him in the Florida Coast League.
Speaker 2: Also, I threw in that there's no way that he's
Speaker 2: just gets optioned. Like, You're like, he can get option
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's not.
Speaker 1: Only did you get optioned, he got the hell optioned
Speaker 1: out of him Alec yesterday. Uh we also had the
Speaker 1: career high thirteen strikeouts for the ladder bet if Kevin
Speaker 1: Gosman I talked about on the show yesterday. Kevin Gosman
Speaker 1: was my two prize picks and Shoeyl Tani was the
Speaker 1: other one.
Speaker 2: He hit a home run I was betting. I want
Speaker 2: to point out I was.
Speaker 1: And hit my I got my White Sox upset on
Speaker 1: the money line, I got Kevin Gosman and DFS Kevin
Speaker 1: Goslin Ladder Bet, Kevin Gosmin prize pick, oh Tani home
Speaker 1: run call. I've got three home runs Welsh in the
Speaker 1: last two days. Welsh. Yesterday was a good day. Today
Speaker 1: is going to be a good day too, and of
Speaker 1: course it's a sad day as well. As much as
Speaker 1: we're happy about Ellie de la Cruz and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about that debut, we also have to talk
Speaker 1: about Jacob de Grom too. I'd like to put a
Speaker 1: poll up here because I promised that I would sing
Speaker 1: a Sarah McLaughlin song when Tommy John surgery did happen
Speaker 1: for Jacob de Gram and I'm not reveling in this
Speaker 1: like I'm sad he's set. It was a very emotional
Speaker 1: press conference Saturday for Jacob de Gram. Jacob de Gram
Speaker 1: was in tears. He feels terrible what he loves to
Speaker 1: do is being taken away from him. He's already had
Speaker 1: one Tommy John surgery. But Welsh to the point of,
Speaker 1: you know, he is getting paid one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five million dollars, so that cushions the blow.
Speaker 2: So are you saying what you want him to wipe
Speaker 2: his tears with one hundred dollars?
Speaker 1: Bill wondering how about thousands rolling out? I love this show,
Speaker 1: I told Welsh before the show. I love this show.
Speaker 1: I love what I do. I love talking football, I
Speaker 1: love talking baseball. I love being with the people here
Speaker 1: in the shows. I love Fantasy World, I love all that.
Speaker 1: If you told me here's one hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: million dollars you could never do it again, I'd say, Wow,
Speaker 1: I had a good run. I'll find a hobby, I
Speaker 1: will figure things out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you probably need to get a
Speaker 2: little bit more relative money, like sure, I would tell
Speaker 2: you all the kick rocks and never speak to any
Speaker 2: of you again for one hundred and eighty million dollars
Speaker 2: and you can remember my memory. But more relative, like,
Speaker 2: how about like twenty thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no, it would
Speaker 1: have to be at least a million dollar walk away
Speaker 1: from me at least.
Speaker 2: Well think about also, like if it's one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty million dollars, get your yearly salary times at times
Speaker 2: five and say you can never do this again.
Speaker 1: No, no, I need more anymore.
Speaker 2: You're very greedy.
Speaker 1: I am very greedy, I know, but I also love this.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. And well that's what he needed.
Speaker 1: Maybe he needed more money. Maybe one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five is your five times your salary. So he's crying.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to make more. I'm going to miss my money. And
Speaker 1: he can't leave it. So perspective, Joe, that's what about
Speaker 1: you here? Before we get into the positive stuff here,
Speaker 1: let's just hit the grom up at the top here
Speaker 1: at the beginning, because it is there to hit up,
Speaker 1: because it's what's up this was the community at large
Speaker 1: failed most people this year. The baseball community of analysts
Speaker 1: who ranked Jacob de Gram and drafted Jacob de Grom
Speaker 1: as SP five overall.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm one of those guys they didn't
Speaker 2: have at five, but I was one.
Speaker 1: He was at five in the consensus, which means enough
Speaker 1: people put him at five. I am him at twenty,
Speaker 1: and people yelled at me. And my purpose was, there's
Speaker 1: twenty guys. I can theoretically say to myself, realistically say
Speaker 1: to myself, all of these twenty guys I like better
Speaker 1: than Jacob d Gram that I think are going to
Speaker 1: pitch more than Jacob de Gram, And I get the
Speaker 1: whole quality verse quantity argument. I understood that. But the
Speaker 1: risk was so great for a player who had not
Speaker 1: made a lot of starts in the last three years,
Speaker 1: who we knew was on the precipice of another injury.
Speaker 1: Who and I keep coming back to this point because
Speaker 1: I think it's so important. The Mets offer was clearly ceremonial.
Speaker 1: They gave him a crappy offer, ceremonial because he had
Speaker 1: been a good soldier for the organization and a great
Speaker 1: met and a great pitcher. He had been a superlative pitcher,
Speaker 1: and no other team in Major League Baseballs If the
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers come after you, that tells you something is wrong,
Speaker 1: And that tells you, Welsh, everybody wants to win. All
Speaker 1: these team have money to spend. Jacob Degron, the best
Speaker 1: pitcher in baseball's on the market, and only the Texas
Speaker 1: Rangers come after you. That was the biggest red flag ever.
Speaker 1: And I think the community at large failed everybody. This
Speaker 1: show did not fail everybody. Fantasy Pros MLB did not
Speaker 1: fail everybody, But I think the community at large, all
Speaker 1: they wanted to see was the positive. And I think
Speaker 1: that that is really a failure at every level because
Speaker 1: you're trying to help people win fantasy leagues, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it doesn't help people win
Speaker 1: fantasy leagues when you say, yeah, that's a top five pitcher,
Speaker 1: because it's it's a bad evaluation based on the data
Speaker 1: you have. Welsh, your thoughts, I mean, I don't agree with.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't you disagree with everything
Speaker 2: that came out of your mouth. I don't agree with
Speaker 2: because he is the best pitcher in baseball when he pitched.
Speaker 2: You had the foresight or at least the cautiousness to
Speaker 2: be like any injury stuff is not my bag, this
Speaker 2: is not what I'm going to do, and not, I
Speaker 2: think is the positive. I do agree. In the very
Speaker 2: very very early stages, I was looking at Ta Graham
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, we're you know, top three
Speaker 2: four SP and I moved off of that into the
Speaker 2: important draft season, but I still had a.
Speaker 1: SP in terms of talent. Yes, yeah, but that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm that's what I'm getting at. I moved it
Speaker 2: back to like seven or eight. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's all a calculated risk. His risk
Speaker 2: meter was just way higher. So drafting him at you know,
Speaker 2: the corner or the turn of like the second round,
Speaker 2: like that's stuff. I couldn't even do that. As much
Speaker 2: as I like Jacob de Gram, I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: But I think the narrative of like why you jump
Speaker 2: in on Jacob de Grom is sound, and I think
Speaker 2: the narrative of why he's a risk is sound and
Speaker 2: sometimes those things mean. But it wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 2: he had this huge, big strain that he was dealing with,
Speaker 2: and it was maybe as to Tommy John none of
Speaker 2: that was live. It was just like he's an injury risk.
Speaker 2: He was being babied in spring. Early on, he looked
Speaker 2: really good. We got good reports outside of the baby.
Speaker 2: It's just to kind of failure across the board. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's a failure necessarily by I mean, if
Speaker 2: there's like some analysts that's like, screw it, you know,
Speaker 2: nothing matters.
Speaker 1: There's no recr when the expert consensus rankings gets to
Speaker 1: a point where enough people say, yes, this is a
Speaker 1: good investment for everyone at SP five as a second
Speaker 1: or third round pick. It's absurd. And it's nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the range. Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it has to do with what's been happening with this player.
Speaker 1: And I understand, like I get it. I no one
Speaker 1: sees it better than me. I watched him pitch in
Speaker 1: my living room for the last eight years, and I
Speaker 1: know how great he is, and I know how much
Speaker 1: fun it is. But but collectively, you had to give
Speaker 1: a bigger discount of drafts in order to make him
Speaker 1: a bible pick.
Speaker 2: That was just what I That is what I agree with.
Speaker 2: The thing that always bugged me is I wanted to
Speaker 2: be I always want to be the big chickob to
Speaker 2: ground guy because it's like, there's not a question that
Speaker 2: he's the best pitcher when he pitches, and that sometimes
Speaker 2: is the thing where someone's like, well, this could be no,
Speaker 2: he's the best when he pitches. So that was bar Nune.
Speaker 2: I always wanted more of a discount, and that's what's rough.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there was more, but there's so much more fantasy analysts.
Speaker 2: There are more shows. There's so many more of us
Speaker 2: that the deals are so much less in spots where
Speaker 2: you wish, you'd wish rookies without any proven talent you
Speaker 2: could get a little bit more you can't. You would
Speaker 2: wish a guy like Jacob de Gram on that bet
Speaker 2: you get a little bit more you can't. And and overall,
Speaker 2: pitching has been a really weird and dynamic kind of
Speaker 2: thing in fantasy that we're all bad and I taking
Speaker 2: pitching early. The pitching early stuff was my biggest run.
Speaker 1: Well Look Black book one on one this year was
Speaker 1: look fade away from these top pictures, Go with that
Speaker 1: secondary because the value was all in the secondary group.
Speaker 1: It was in the Zach Gallons of the world, the
Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman's of the world, all those guys. That's where
Speaker 1: the value is a pitching. It was so obvious not
Speaker 1: to do it. But again, wait, when you have such
Speaker 1: a consensus that's out there in the space, it's it's
Speaker 1: everybody looking at the positive. And I'm a positive guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a positive beeat, I'm a positive piece of bea okay,
Speaker 1: but you too much too much on the positive, not
Speaker 1: enough on the Oh my god, some glaring negatives here
Speaker 1: that we've all got to be super concerned with. And
Speaker 1: the follow the money. Follow the money at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, because if you follow the money, the
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers again, when the best picture and when Joey
Speaker 1: o'tani goes out in free agency, you think he's not
Speaker 1: gonna have multiple offers, but multiple team And I know
Speaker 1: you canna roll your eyes about that, but like, but
Speaker 1: Jacob de Gram is that guy? He is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's baseball. Don't call the Dodgers, don't call
Speaker 2: I mean, but but you don't know that, Like, there's
Speaker 2: also we do we know that we did do? Did Bor?
Speaker 2: Did we get that from Boris that no other team calls?
Speaker 1: Think in his day of age that not that doesn't leak.
Speaker 1: Everything leaks somebody farts and it leaks out there in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, do you.
Speaker 2: Know how many times we've heard these stories where it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: by the way, two years ago, you didn't know this,
Speaker 2: but this guy was almost traded for this guy, but
Speaker 2: then this one person didn't pick up the phone and
Speaker 2: it never happened. Jacob to Gram also has a price,
Speaker 2: So there's twenty I bet you twenty two teams were like,
Speaker 2: it's not worth it because we know the market price.
Speaker 2: The Mets put out their offer knowing it's not the
Speaker 2: market price, but they want to just put out what
Speaker 2: it is. I will refuse to believe that it was
Speaker 2: only the Texas Rangers that gave a call. There's probably
Speaker 2: lots of teams that checked in. They're like, hey, is
Speaker 2: that market price?
Speaker 1: What it is?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Click?
Speaker 2: People didn't want to pay it. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, this is the whole thing about Jacob
Speaker 2: de Grom.
Speaker 1: That there was an offer. John Hayman, Morossi Night, all
Speaker 1: those guys, all those guys, Ken Rosenthal and his bow
Speaker 1: tie would have been all over it. And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you they weren't there because they and there's nothing else
Speaker 1: for these guys to do except report those offers or
Speaker 1: those conversations. There was not even a conversation report in
Speaker 1: the off season. The number of pitchers that have had
Speaker 1: more than one Tommy John surgery. I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: that list of guys. But do you think at this
Speaker 1: point that Jacob de Gram gets back from the second
Speaker 1: one here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna come back. But I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: just don't like, I'm done like and I can be
Speaker 2: like this. You know, you guys not.
Speaker 1: You can be done our chat, he's not pitching this year,
Speaker 1: and he's not pitching next year. I think we all understand.
Speaker 2: Hope I get back at the end of next year.
Speaker 2: Our group chat was hilarious yesterday with Wonky and you
Speaker 2: should have seen piece of Pa just dancing because then
Speaker 2: also you had the injury with Bucks and so it's
Speaker 2: the major crack.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dancing. I don't dance for people's injuries, but
Speaker 1: dancing I am, I am, and I'm not dancing on
Speaker 1: anyone's grave. Here today, I'm saying the process I was
Speaker 1: saying it in February, said it in March. The pros
Speaker 1: Kippen Shannon Today, this is undisputed. Yeah, I'm sure about that, bro.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But but again, it was just it was mind blowing
Speaker 1: to me that I said, Okay, here it is in February.
Speaker 1: It's SP five. That's going to change as people start
Speaker 1: to you know, have their moments and start to evaluate.
Speaker 1: And then it never changed. And I kept looking up
Speaker 1: at it and I'm seeing all these guys and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how how are we getting to draft season? It's still
Speaker 1: the same from me gone, by the way, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'll get the pollars Jacob deGrom. If he never pitches again,
Speaker 1: is you a Hall of Fame or mayor? Put this
Speaker 1: poll up? Uh? Seventy four percent said no. Do you
Speaker 1: agree with that?
Speaker 2: I think I said this in CBS Lesson. I think
Speaker 2: it's almost like Treel Davis, you know, like what Treel
Speaker 2: Davis did in his short time that yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: like the point is he had Super Bowl wins and
Speaker 2: like de gram was one of the great I think
Speaker 2: he would sneak in at this point. But listen, he's
Speaker 2: going to pitch again. He wants to pitch. He's got
Speaker 2: a five year deal. At this age, thirty six is
Speaker 2: the new thirty one. These guys are pitching till forty.
Speaker 2: He's gonna pitch, but I'm done. And guess what, it's
Speaker 2: all good because the discount will be massive. We don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about this until two thousand and twenty five.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested next year. I don't care if he's
Speaker 2: gonna maybe pitch next Tody, it's done.
Speaker 1: Cody, I love you. You troll me in the chat. I
Speaker 1: get you would have been different with the Mets. No,
Speaker 1: it was insane with them. It doesn't matter where he went. Okay,
Speaker 1: this the the evaluation was bad. It was bad by
Speaker 1: the fantasy community at large. Going in now. I knew
Speaker 1: another poll up there because I said I'd sing a
Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin song, and Welsh is going to read off
Speaker 1: all the accolades of Jacob de Grom.
Speaker 2: I don't go with the boys to men, So it's either.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the in the Arms of the
Speaker 1: Angels is a little depressing, Like he's not dead, he's
Speaker 1: just having surgery. He's got one hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: million dollars. He's gonna come back, hopefully maybe the end
Speaker 1: of next year, maybe September August, who knows if that happens.
Speaker 1: But he'll pitch again. Like, well, she's saying how he'll
Speaker 1: be We don't know. So it's either that or I
Speaker 1: will remember you, which I think is is kinder because.
Speaker 2: I think you should do. I will remember you at
Speaker 2: the end. I won't even say anything. I don't want
Speaker 2: to step over you. I think you do. I will
Speaker 2: remember you.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should sing it you have like a nice
Speaker 1: Irish tenor voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that at the end, Leve. Maybe we don't
Speaker 2: need to do it now, like, let's talk the memories.
Speaker 2: Let's stop talking about Jacob all right, let's talk about
Speaker 2: Alec Manoa dancing here.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Elie de la Cruz. Now, let's be positive.
Speaker 1: Elie de la Cruz. This was great. Eli Dola Cruz
Speaker 1: ran so fast around their base he almost caught the
Speaker 1: guy ahead of him. It was amazing. Last night he
Speaker 1: walked twice, he had a double, one hundred and twelve
Speaker 1: miles an hour off the bat. He was just he
Speaker 1: was great. Everything was great. I'm spoiler alert, I'm picking
Speaker 1: him for the home run call tonight. It was everything
Speaker 1: we wanted got Ellie de la Cruz. The electricity in
Speaker 1: the ballpark was fantastic. They came back and won Welsh
Speaker 1: Let's go the Reds. I'm like adopting the Reds the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. I wanted to be great for them.
Speaker 1: That's what I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting super over zealous. I can feel myself
Speaker 2: doing it. I can hear myself saying it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: in the back of my head as I start talking
Speaker 2: about Ellie, I understand some of the like too much
Speaker 2: of it, but listen, he's a crazy talent. I've likened
Speaker 2: this too, maybe similar to Fernando Tatis Junior and his debut.
Speaker 2: They had similar strikeout issues, better walk better patients coming
Speaker 2: out of Elie de la Cruz walked his first at bat,
Speaker 2: two bad at balls over one oh eight. The guy
Speaker 2: can fly. He is all the talent and upside of
Speaker 2: O'Neill Cruise with less swing and miss and more ability
Speaker 2: to get on base. And I think at this point,
Speaker 2: even this day, and this might be the me being ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, but at this moment, I think Ellie.
Speaker 2: You can view Ellie as a top seven to eight
Speaker 2: shortstop rest of season, and that's putting.
Speaker 1: I don't think him up Bobby Witt Junior or that's
Speaker 1: Ellie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I call it. The Bobby Witt line
Speaker 2: is like perfect. I think it's like Lindor Bobby Witt
Speaker 2: somewhere in the gear Wit.
Speaker 1: Is a quote speed guy with power, but the batting
Speaker 1: average hasn't been there, that's for sure, Lindor. You know,
Speaker 1: I just wrote up Lindor in the Fantasy Pros feature
Speaker 1: Pros that we're doing for the body blow cell high
Speaker 1: every week, and Lindor's struggling mightily against right handed pitching
Speaker 1: this year. He's a two sixty hitter for his career
Speaker 1: against right hand pitching that don't come around. He's still
Speaker 1: got eleven home runs. Like I'd be buying Lindor. He's
Speaker 1: rather an the door rest of season than el. But
Speaker 1: Bobby Witt, that's a good question. See. My only thing with.
Speaker 2: Bobby Witt is like we know exactly who Bobby Witt is.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, if Ellie's middle ground was what
Speaker 2: Bobby Witt is right now, we'd all be fine with it.
Speaker 2: If he was hitting like two forty, you know, double
Speaker 2: digit store. There's one hundred games left. Ellie's rest of
Speaker 2: season projections they only had him about fifty eight games
Speaker 2: but every projection was about it was like just under
Speaker 2: ten homers ten rbi. So if you put that over
Speaker 2: one hundred games, the one hundred game projections, which is
Speaker 2: going to be the low baseline is like fifteen to
Speaker 2: fifteen On Ellie, I think the power is going to
Speaker 2: go up. If he's a twenty fifteen guy. You can
Speaker 2: see where the upside is. If the batting average is low.
Speaker 2: He is what Bobby Witt is. My only argument here
Speaker 2: is like middle low, Bobby Wit is maybe what median
Speaker 2: line Ellie is going to be. So I might slightly
Speaker 2: pick Bobby Wit Junior, but I but either way, he
Speaker 2: lives in that world and you're not having to pick.
Speaker 2: None of you guys are having to like be like
Speaker 2: should we.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the ballparks back. I kind of like
Speaker 1: the samel of what's going on with the the energy
Speaker 1: of the Reds last night in that building. If they
Speaker 1: can kind of capitalize on that a little bit special,
Speaker 1: you want to know what happens, Yes, is right around
Speaker 1: the corner too, Like that guy's gonna come.
Speaker 2: Up to so his buddy Cees last night dropping a
Speaker 2: couple hundred and ten mile an hour hits as well.
Speaker 2: He gets in there, it's gonna be electric. And what
Speaker 2: I loved, they threw him right in hitting four. They
Speaker 2: threw I think he was like the first twenty year
Speaker 2: old or whatever the hell it was twenty one year
Speaker 2: old to hit four on his debut. That's huge. Matt
Speaker 2: McClain's hitting, Jonathan India's hitting, gets Cees hitting behind him
Speaker 2: in Great America Ballpark. It is the Lli Show. It
Speaker 2: is worthwhile. And my god, if he wasn't available, if
Speaker 2: he was like open world stuff and fab and he
Speaker 2: hasn't been picked up, he's gonna go for everything. You're
Speaker 2: gonna dump your entire fab ball.
Speaker 1: Look, he's been on multiple videos. I know he was
Speaker 1: on last week's too. Last week was the big salvo
Speaker 1: here on the channel where I did the video and
Speaker 1: I said, look, Waiver Wire led other crews, this is it, Like,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it now because if you don't do
Speaker 1: it now, it's gonna to be gone. You have to
Speaker 1: do it this weekend. You have to be proactive. So
Speaker 1: hopefully you listen that he did. Zach gefflink. We talked
Speaker 1: about him six and two thirds scoreless at home this year.
Speaker 1: He struck out nine guys last night at home. This
Speaker 1: year he is seven to zero with a one eight
Speaker 1: five ERA, forty three innings, forty three k's, four walks,
Speaker 1: one point nine to six ERA. We got to start
Speaker 1: making money on Eflin at home because right now Eflyn
Speaker 1: is killing it. And this is another guy. We talked
Speaker 1: about this at the beginning of the year. I remember
Speaker 1: every time the Rays go out there and they pluck
Speaker 1: one of these kind of Zach Efflin guys off, they
Speaker 1: always there's nobody better than the Rays doing this. The
Speaker 1: Rays organization plucks this guy off, so oh Zach Eflin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know what to do with him. And they get
Speaker 1: the best out of these guys. And this is just
Speaker 1: another one in this long line of reclamation project guys,
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't be surprised, but we should have been
Speaker 1: more on this, I think in terms of draft, what
Speaker 1: do you think about Affleck's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm a big Eflin guy. Early in the year.
Speaker 2: I like this. The only thing I don't like is
Speaker 2: he is inconsistent. Yes, he had like nine strikeouts, but
Speaker 2: he also had a game where he went seven innings
Speaker 2: and didn't strike out a single batter. So the strikeout
Speaker 2: inconsistencies live there. But you go to players on great
Speaker 2: offensive supported teams, and you go to raise pitchers because
Speaker 2: they know how to push and develop these guys. Efflyn
Speaker 2: is absolutely a value.
Speaker 1: Sitting out there continuing on to luis a rise hitting
Speaker 1: four oh one on the air. So I mean to me,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and maybe I'm just still off a
Speaker 1: high of yesterday. I don't know, but maybe I feel
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty three the energy of baseball right now,
Speaker 1: and the NBA Finals are happening, and the NHL is happening.
Speaker 1: Football hasn't really you know, started its football thing yet.
Speaker 1: I feel like baseball is at this fever pitch right
Speaker 1: now where everyone's just super excited and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be here with you guys.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are going to not
Speaker 2: want to admit like the rule changes that baseball did
Speaker 2: change right, the pace has moved things up. Also, the
Speaker 2: ability to get these younger guys up. This works, This
Speaker 2: is good, This is great for baseball. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: it's going to come up with the whole Welsha rite.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a Rise hater.
Speaker 1: Hater he has limitations. That's that's not a hot take.
Speaker 2: He's an awesome. I own him in the league. He's
Speaker 2: an awesome real life player. That's all points leagues. He's
Speaker 2: super fun. But he is maximum and two category player,
Speaker 2: so he can be the greatest at batting average, which
Speaker 2: by the way, is the most expendable of the five
Speaker 2: categories in fantasy that people punt. That's a great category.
Speaker 2: But he is an absolute albatross on the other three categories.
Speaker 2: So I feel like everyone's making a big deal because
Speaker 2: he hits four hundred. He's awesome, great real life player.
Speaker 2: I want him on my team in real life, but
Speaker 2: I don't like valuing him over I think I was
Speaker 2: thinking about this before the show. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: this had come up. I just know I've been a
Speaker 2: little chattery about a Rise. A guy that hits two
Speaker 2: sixty in a month, let's say two sixty in a
Speaker 2: month with five homers, six dolen bases, and twenty five
Speaker 2: to twenty five run in RBI, that is exponentially more
Speaker 2: valuable than a Rise. It hits four to twenty five.
Speaker 2: He's an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: That offer that's the low batting average on your team.
Speaker 2: One point RBI. Yeah, he's just not good for Rod
Speaker 2: and head to head great for points, Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: have been a little like yippy about him.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna go along today, folks. And by the way,
Speaker 1: right here undisputed with the Welsh and Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 2: Oh that long, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put me with Skip Bayless. Oh my god. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's one hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: million dollars for me to do that, I might ask
Speaker 1: for more for that job.
Speaker 2: That'd be the one.
Speaker 1: What songs should Joe sing today? On the poll? I
Speaker 1: will remember you winning at sixty percent right now, So
Speaker 1: I think that's more appropriate because I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: image of Jacob de Gram I think is is that's
Speaker 1: now over whatever he is now after the second one
Speaker 1: was no. Remember everyone laughed at me when I said,
Speaker 1: make him a closer and limit the amount of innings.
Speaker 1: That just make him this electric guy out of the
Speaker 1: bullpen like they did with Smoltz, and maybe over time
Speaker 1: he won't have that same kind of issue of the
Speaker 1: innings building up and building up on him, and he
Speaker 1: won't you know the amount of stress on the arm.
Speaker 1: Everyone laughed at me. Guess what when he comes back
Speaker 1: in two years what if he's that guy?
Speaker 2: What if that Actually I hate to say this, but
Speaker 2: like you know how he's like, I want to return
Speaker 2: at the back end of next year. It would be
Speaker 2: in that role. I think one hundred percent be in
Speaker 2: that role. So you actually might get your wish. Uh,
Speaker 2: we got to do I don't know how we're going
Speaker 2: to do this because I know the sizing and stuff.
Speaker 2: You've got to get a picture of Jacob deGrom before
Speaker 2: you sing. That's the clip. That's the clip we take.
Speaker 1: From the now. I like your dramatic readings of your
Speaker 1: dramatic reading of the accomplishments of Jacob de Gram, which
Speaker 1: are many the cy Young's the era titles. I mean,
Speaker 1: all these things. It's just stunning. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: through the injuries. Eventually, Aaron Judge, we told you was
Speaker 1: gonna go on the IL. He went on the I
Speaker 1: L We're still kind of waiting about the timetable, so
Speaker 1: it's a little tricky there. Anthony ren Don came back,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how long that lasts. Tario Rostrada came back,
Speaker 1: Carlos Korea came back, so a lot of people coming back,
Speaker 1: fire and bucks and coming back. He went on the
Speaker 1: ten dail. It's retroactive to June third. With the rib confusion.
Speaker 1: Lord of Scuriel was held out of the line for
Speaker 1: a second straight night, so his groin was tight. Welsh
Speaker 1: went over there, tried to do the mister Miyagi and
Speaker 1: rub it up for him a little bit. We'll see
Speaker 1: if that works. Andre's Munio's activated too, So beautiful times here.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the three up and three down. Kevin
Speaker 1: Gosmin thirteen strikeouts, unbelievable, told you American League leader in strikeouts.
Speaker 1: Nobody seems to care accept me. I put money on
Speaker 1: him on Sunday for Cy Young at plus eight hundred.
Speaker 1: It's still a plus eight hundred. I think you should.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good investment. Put fifty bucks on
Speaker 1: that bad boy, and then wait and watch and if
Speaker 1: it goes down to four hundred, put another fifty bucks
Speaker 1: on it. Starting to get a feeling it's Gosmin's year.
Speaker 1: Showy Otani Solo, Homer walked twice. Pete Alonzo is feeling
Speaker 1: twenty two. He had his twenty second home run. I
Speaker 1: gotta tell her swift reference in there. Three down, Louis
Speaker 1: Varlin six innings, seven earned four walks excuse me, five k's.
Speaker 1: His THERA is almost four and a half, Zach Ranky
Speaker 1: one in six with a four or five nine ERA
Speaker 1: now five earned runs in four to third and Mitch Keller,
Speaker 1: who we faded yesterday. Again we were all god looking
Speaker 1: at the zone. I feel like Michael Jordan in the
Speaker 1: playoffs yesterday just had a zone, just tunnel vision. Five
Speaker 1: earned runs, five and a third innings, one kuh not
Speaker 1: good for him in one homer three six ERA run
Speaker 1: the season, but he's given up fifteen earned runs his
Speaker 1: last three games. Is the Mitch Keller ride over?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. The last three games have been bad,
Speaker 2: But I think there's actually a lot of underlying stuff
Speaker 2: that are still in his favor. Strikeouts are still there.
Speaker 2: I think this is a bad run. I would argue
Speaker 2: that this might be a nice little buy opportunity on
Speaker 2: Mitch Keller because he can probably be had for very
Speaker 2: very little after that blow up. I would go do.
Speaker 1: That, all right. You know what else you should go do?
Speaker 1: Should play some prize picks because prize picks is fun.
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Speaker 1: on it. For me. I've got Max scherz or at
Speaker 1: six strikeouts over. He's been very good the last two starts,
Speaker 1: eight strikeouts and hind strikeouts. Elie de la Cruz all in,
Speaker 1: let's go eight and a half over on the hitter
Speaker 1: Fantasy score, Boba shit over against Houston's pitching eight and
Speaker 1: a half hitter Fantasy score. What do you have Welsh
Speaker 1: for the people on the Prize Picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are just like they're not giving, they're not
Speaker 2: easing you into. Elie day la Cruz. Eight and a
Speaker 2: half is a big number on that platform. Those are
Speaker 2: elite number hitters. But he's going up against noah' cindergard.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think that makes a lot of
Speaker 2: sense here on the Prize Picks today, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go with Logan Web strikeouts over five, give me Pablo
Speaker 2: Lopez under Fantasy Pitching, Fantasy points thirty five and a
Speaker 2: half and Bryce Harper Fantasy score eight over. We didn't
Speaker 2: get the Haters sandwich yesterday because Roman Lrono didn't play.
Speaker 2: Finally we got the Kerral off under the hang, we
Speaker 2: got the Helder over and just Lorianna didn't play, so
Speaker 2: the Midge Keller free square didn't do anything. So if
Speaker 2: you guys did anything else, maybe you could have cashed it.
Speaker 2: So hopefully today we can get some prize picks.
Speaker 1: All right. On the betting side today, I'm going under
Speaker 1: on the eight and a half Zach Wheeler strikeouts again.
Speaker 1: Whenever I see eight and a half, I'm going under.
Speaker 1: Most days I know it's Detroit still going under Pablo
Speaker 1: Lopez six and a half strikeouts. I'm going under. He
Speaker 1: has been rough and Tampa doesn't strike out to me
Speaker 1: getting even money on this run for the even money
Speaker 1: on this okay, Pablo under Wheeler under sures are over
Speaker 1: five and a half. You can get that now. It's
Speaker 1: got a lot of juice. So here's what you do.
Speaker 1: You take the six and a half instead because you
Speaker 1: get plus money on that plus one eighteen. You take
Speaker 1: the Sures are over at six and a half because
Speaker 1: again eight strikeouts nine. I don't care if it's the breaks,
Speaker 1: it's Mack Schuser, he's getting back to being Max Scherzer.
Speaker 1: You go take the White Sox again a plus one
Speaker 1: ten on the money line, and you do that as well,
Speaker 1: because the Yankees without Aaron Judge is not a good lineup.
Speaker 1: You got the plus one ten, the plus one eighteen
Speaker 1: from Sures, and then San fran Is minus two hundred
Speaker 1: heavy juice. Logan Web on the mountain. It's a terrible
Speaker 1: Rockies team. I don't care if it's in Colorado. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get plus five eighty on that. Go make that
Speaker 1: parlay that's the one, or just bet the White Sox
Speaker 1: at plus one thirty again, no Judge, That's what I'm doing. Welsh,
Speaker 1: What are you doing tonight on the betting side?
Speaker 2: All right? Like I said three and oh yesterday, let's
Speaker 2: try to get back to it. I'm gonna keep with
Speaker 2: those Logan Web numbers. Logan Web. The Colorado Rockies have
Speaker 2: struck out like twelve times over last three games on average,
Speaker 2: So I want to play against that. You talked about
Speaker 2: Logan Web. I have them in prize picks. Well, this
Speaker 2: is actually didn't check at the updated numbers, so the
Speaker 2: juice might be a little bit less. But last night
Speaker 2: it was plus one fifteen on Logan Web strikeouts five
Speaker 2: and a half over, So I'm gonna take that. He's
Speaker 2: hit that over his last three games. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: Philly run line whole game one and a half over Detroit.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to take the Cincinnati Reds team total
Speaker 2: two and a half. It's minus one oh five, so
Speaker 2: two and a half in the first five. By the way,
Speaker 2: that is me playing against no Cynegard, who has given
Speaker 2: up three like the whole year every single time through
Speaker 2: five innings La de la Cruz, of course. So two
Speaker 2: and a half runs team total two and a half
Speaker 2: runs through the first five innings. That is almost even
Speaker 2: money minus one of five for the Reds. And again
Speaker 2: Philly reunline and Logan Web strikeouts. Those are my three
Speaker 2: big bets for to day.
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Speaker 1: get to the dfs today. Max Sure's are nine point
Speaker 1: six check. If you want to have some differential, go
Speaker 1: to John Gray nine point five check. If you want
Speaker 1: to pay up at pitching, you can go to the
Speaker 1: Logan Web. But I don't love it for eleven k.
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather stick with Gray Insures or White
Speaker 1: Sox Toronto mets San fran Texas. Those are the places
Speaker 1: you're looking for some offense today. Jordan Walker two point seven,
Speaker 1: Elie de la Cruz two point eight, Tim Anderson two
Speaker 1: point seven.
Speaker 2: Welsh at least gonna be played, So I'm sorry he's
Speaker 2: gonna and yeah, I would love to play him in
Speaker 2: like single showdowns or like low you know, fifty to
Speaker 2: fifties or something on dfs. But it is going to
Speaker 2: be a wild his plays today because that is a
Speaker 2: very good price.
Speaker 1: And look at Razor up to twenty three bombs, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Remember the winners is getting a Corbyn Carrol autographed helmet,
Speaker 1: personalized from Corbyn Carrol the Welsh doll on the board
Speaker 1: with ten. I gotta be in double digits now because
Speaker 1: I'm on a hot streak last you.
Speaker 2: Gotta be like ten or eleven and eight. I'm the
Speaker 2: bottom here.
Speaker 1: I'm still useless, but I'm better. I'm starting to pull
Speaker 1: out of it. Welsh I said, I'm going Ellie de
Speaker 1: Lacruz tonight and I've even got money on it. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Where are you going for your home run call today?
Speaker 2: By the way, I get, I don't know how and
Speaker 2: dances here. I don't have anyone who can do this.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're pacing out bigger than we were
Speaker 2: last year because wasn't the number like forty eight or
Speaker 2: fifty one or something like that. I kind of actually
Speaker 2: think we might be a higher pace this year because
Speaker 2: this is like what a third of the way and
Speaker 2: we're only in the twenty So good job and everybody else.
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Speaker 2: I did this once before, it didn't work, But I'm
Speaker 2: playing against Patrick Corbyn. I'm gonna go with Christian Walker.
Speaker 2: Christian Walker beat up on lefties, big homers. I think
Speaker 2: this is a perfect recipe for Christian Walker to get regoing.
Speaker 2: There are a couple guys on the board that, honestly,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to there's a Welsh of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go with Christian Walker tonight for my
Speaker 2: home run call.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Razor, I hope you get that helmet. I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for you, buddy. By the way, look at busy
Speaker 1: residges throwing shade at me. H. Tim Joe usually bounces
Speaker 1: on us here in August for football. Yes, that's my job, Like,
Speaker 1: that's literally I came here to do a football show
Speaker 1: and then they've also given me the reins to betting pros,
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, we should also do a baseball show.
Speaker 1: So the reason we have leading off is because of
Speaker 1: this bald headed moron. So that's why we're here every day.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry I have to bounce in August, but
Speaker 1: my brain can only handle so much. I'm sorry. It's
Speaker 1: just like only so much I can do. But Welsh
Speaker 1: will be here and we're trying to see if we
Speaker 1: can get baseball all year round here too. That's what
Speaker 1: we're working on. So it doesn't go away ever on you.
Speaker 1: So that's what really were And shout out to the
Speaker 1: Pans and Crackerjacks too, because we're up year over year
Speaker 1: in watches and listen it's great and it's all because
Speaker 1: of you out there and you know you have other choices.
Speaker 1: You come here, you listen to leading off and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's great. I love you guys, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: that we get to do this every day. So Welsh
Speaker 1: without further ado, I think we're at the end here,
Speaker 1: which means it's long time. So do you have a
Speaker 1: good list of accomplishments, because as I'm reading the lyrics
Speaker 1: for this song, it really it's very applicable, very applicable.
Speaker 2: I think I do, like, oh hold on, this might
Speaker 2: be the thing right here.
Speaker 1: I have like this is what Wikipedia was made for.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, and I can, I can, I
Speaker 2: can space this out and everything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you like I'm gonna give you like
Speaker 1: a stanza and a chorus, and I think I think
Speaker 1: that'll that'll do.
Speaker 2: So, So should I come in after your first your
Speaker 2: first run?
Speaker 1: You can come in whenever you want. So again, I promise,
Speaker 1: you promised whenever he would go. So here we go,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. I promised on the show that if
Speaker 1: Jacob de Grom did have Tommy John surgery and wasn't
Speaker 1: going to pitch rest of the season, I would sing
Speaker 1: a sad Sarah McLaughlin song because I'm sad about it.
Speaker 1: You're sad about it. Welsh's sad about it.
Speaker 2: You're really sad about it.
Speaker 1: I am sad about it. I'm not happy about this,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to sing I Will remember you while
Speaker 1: Welsh rattles off some of the incredible accomplishments of Jacob
Speaker 1: de Gram's career, and away we go.
Speaker 3: So afraid to love you, more afraid to lose. Clinging
Speaker 3: to the past, doesn't let me choose.
Speaker 4: Once there was the dog ness, now less night. You
Speaker 4: gave me everything you had. Oh, you gave me life.
Speaker 2: Come on, welshere's the accomplished No, it's coming, Ah Will
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen Player of the Week, twenty fourteen Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Month award winner in July and September, Outstanding Rookie
Speaker 2: of the Year in twenty fourteen. Don't let You twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen MLD Player of the Week, Cy Young Award winner
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, FU Player's Choice, Outstanding Picture of the Year
Speaker 2: Award in twenty eighteen, a twenty nineteen award winner, Starting
Speaker 2: Pitcher of the Year in twenty nineteen, twenty and more
Speaker 2: even more Picture of the Month awards for mister Jacob
Speaker 2: de Gram. Is he a Hall of famer with sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred strikeouts eighty four wins now under one whip. That
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like the thing this was.
Speaker 1: This was good.
Speaker 2: I telled you a little bit more the will man.
Speaker 1: This was therapeutic. I think like it is. It's sad.
Speaker 1: I'm sad for Jacob Degram. I'm sad for the fantasy
Speaker 1: community at large. And put him at SP five and
Speaker 1: hopefully now we'll all learn to do better. That's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to do. So that'll do it for us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back again tomorrow to do it all again.
Speaker 1: Uh for Skip Bayless at Shannon Sharp. That'll do it
Speaker 1: for us. On leading off, We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2: Thank you for all the hair comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks great. See you Leonard, guys. Bye.
Speaker 5: So sad, so sad for everybody.
Speaker 1: Ye