WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: Draft Thought's and Grades 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:25.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.319 broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:36.000 Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.360 here it is on a Friday. You know what time 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.960 it is time for the Players Lounge right here on 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.200 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. I knew we Scrugs covered 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.040 the team for a long time back to when these 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.720 boys were guy. These these guys were in maybe diapers 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.160 when I was covering this team. Danny McCray and Barry Church, 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.000 two former Dallas Cowboys dbs, here on a Friday, right, gentlemen, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:05.160 h First off, how are we doing? And we last 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.960 left our conversation on a Friday talking about Ceedee Lamb 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.480 and we were all saying we wanted to see defense. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.959 So Church, give me your thoughts on this draft with 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:21.920 the Cowboys, and I want a grade on it. Yeah, man, yeah, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:02:16.320 I want your thoughts into grade. Yes, m all right. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:29.919 Mc cray, I mean to replace round the Cobb who 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.280 had big production last season and they ended up getting 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.280 that in the first round. And also the pick that 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.040 we chose for the first round. They ended up still 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.360 getting that in the second round, and then they followed 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.200 that out with another corner. Uh, they showed up the 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.600 D line. They got him another quarterback to for competition 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.400 with Cooper Rush, and they picked up a center. I 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.160 think I think they filled the needs on pretty much 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.600 every position that they that they wanted to and it's 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.239 some good talent that they have coming in to create 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.560 a lot of oppetition for some of these guys, specifically 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.720 in the dB room. So I'm very happy about that 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.680 and I just can't wait to see how it all 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.560 plays out once the season starts. So Ceedee Lamb goes 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.880 in the first round for the Cowboys. Trevon Digg's corner 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.200 from Alabama goes in round number two. Round three is 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:24.320 Neville Gallimore, defensive tackle from Oklahoma. Round four Reggie Robinson 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.560 from Tulsa, a tall corner who went to high school 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.000 at Cleveland, so he's right down the road here in 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.240 Dallas Fort Worth. Also, they go back up in the 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:37.240 fourth round. They take the Remington Award winner Tyler Biadish 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:43.920 from Wisconsin. Bradley and I from Utah defender and this 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.040 is a guy who's spent a lot of time, almost 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.200 thirty sacks at Utah. He ran a slow forty, so 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.760 he's there in the fifth round. And then he got 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:58.480 Bend Nucci quarterback from James Madison, who Mike McCarthy apparently knew. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.200 They take him in round seven. So those are the 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.080 draft picks that they got here. I give the draft 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.080 an A because what I wanted to see was a 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.080 lot of defense, and they got us at after a 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.400 round one And when you think about round number one 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.000 where they take CD Lamb in Church, you and I 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.680 were kind of on that same page of Wow, how 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.680 do you bypass defense? But this was the number one 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.039 wide receiver in the draft. He was number six on 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.840 their draft board according to Will McClay and Stephen Jones. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.039 So you get that guy and then you're able to 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:30.359 go out and get a guy that we thought they 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.480 should take in the first round and round number two. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.120 That's winning all day long. So I give it a 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.680 great A because I felt like they touched on all 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.560 their needs. And Danny, that was one of the things 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.039 that you and I spoke about, and we talked about 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.000 it on this show, is that they needed to address 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.240 needs in this draft, and I feel like they did 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.080 that all the way. Yeah, definitely, because I mean we 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.320 lost a few pieces to free agency that we had 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.479 some question marks, especially in the DV room with some 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.440 guys who they had questionable production from that year, and 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.800 then Byron left, so we needed to fill those voids 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.680 in there, and we did that. We got we got 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.719 a first round graded corner in the second and we 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.440 also added some crazy offensive firepower. Now, so I think 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.520 we have probably one of the top receiver receiving corps 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.960 in the NFL. So we leave the draft with covering 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.919 our defensive backs since then allowing our defensive line in 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.320 the rush, and then we also picked up one of 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.400 the top receivers in the draft, So I mean, I 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.720 don't think we could have done any better, all right, Church, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.160 So he's Trevondick six foot one guy and this Robins 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.039 Rinch Robbers to sixty one guy. Will McClay spoke about 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.520 how they want long corners and they talked about how 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.000 receivers in this league are getting bigger and Biggerson they 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.200 wanted to be able to match you with that. So 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:53.680 give me your opinion on without having an ota right 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.120 now in a mini camp, and maybe who knows when 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.279 may ultimately have training camp. How quick could these guys 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.760 possibly start, Barry, I think it's gonna be extremely tough, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.839 especially with no offseason program that we can see in 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.760 the near future. The OTAs, we don't know what's gonna 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.960 happen with them mini camp and then training camp. We 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.360 just don't know. So it's gonna be hard for a 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.280 guy coming straight out of college to transition it to 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.920 the NFL and then pick up a playbook extremely fast 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.320 and be able to be contribute to this defense. So 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.680 I think it's gonna be hard. So I think it 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.000 gives a kind of a disservice to the rookies, but 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.240 kind of a service to the veterans who are already 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.839 kind of there. They can get the playbook in and 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.520 know what kind of to expect. But overall, like you said, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.240 this is a new defense coming in. There's a new 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.600 coaching sade, so every player doesn't know what to kind 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:36.880 of expect, so I guess they're kind of all on 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.800 even kill. But overall, I think the veterans that are 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.559 in the room, that are have been in the NFL, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.600 have experienced playing and know how to play this game. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.800 I think that gives them the advantage and disadvantage to 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.000 all the rookies coming in. But we'll see what happens 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:53.360 at the end. Verry Church team crazy new We scrugs. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.640 We are the players land to go ahead then, And 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.440 I was just saying, with the exception of those first 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.839 two picks, I feel the same as Barry Dick should 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.680 be able to step in and be a starter, and 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.880 Ceedee Lambs should be able to step in. But those 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.680 other guys, I think they'll be behind an eight ball 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.960 went once we get started, all right, Danny, stay with 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:17.160 me right there on talking about Dbs. So we heard that, Hey, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.320 there's some guys who could possibly move. We spoke about 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.280 Cheeto Uzier possibly going to safety. I don't know, maybe 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.800 it's about three episodes ago here on the Players' Lounge 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.760 and now it's getting more and more esteemed it. They 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.559 couldn't move Cheeto to corner. They also signed a free 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.400 agent m Darryl Warley who's also got some ability to 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.120 play safety. So where do we think that isn't gonna 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.040 end up going for the Cheeto by the ways in 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.440 the final year of his contract. Yeah, I'll go ahead, Danny, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.800 You got what it's gonna be I think it's gonna 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.880 be tough, man, because, like you said, it's a crowded room. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.000 Right now. You got Worley, who I believe was a 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.640 former first round picking. He has size and versatility. I mean, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.160 this is a guy who's sixty three. I think he's 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.440 two hundred and fifteen pounds, So he's big enough and 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.240 versatil enough to play corner and he can play safety. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.200 So and I think the same with the Wouzier as well. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:07.800 Come out of college, people weren't sure if he was 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.800 going to be a corner or safety going into the league. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.000 Ended up playing corner. But this could be a situation 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.240 like Byron Jones where he was at safety at the 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.080 beginning of his career. People were kind of counting them 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.560 as a bust and then they moved in the corner 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.560 and he blossom. So maybe this will be the same 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.520 type of situation with the Woozier where if they do 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.920 decide to move him back to safety, he can you know, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.240 reach his full potential and to blossom in as well. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:27.800 So we'll have to see what happens on that. But 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.520 we got a lot of versatile players on this secondary 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:31.920 and i'd like to see what they do with moving 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:38.240 these pieces. Yeah, listen, if they move Cheetah Wouzier to dB, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.920 he will not see the field. I mean, you know now, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.040 because I mean we're talking about yeah to safety. We 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.520 talked about them having two starting caliber safeties already, so 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.360 I don't see him being able to correct that starting 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.840 lineup over two guys who have proven experience at safety. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.719 So you know, if most he might be one of 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.640 those guys who comes in on covering one to cover 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.079 a tight end. But as far as I'm seeing seeing 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.080 significant playing time if he's a safety, I don't see 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.840 that happening. All right, Danny, stay with me here. You 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.520 guys have been a part of teams where you've watched 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.200 them make drafts of free agencieties and bringing in people 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.120 at your position. So how did guys handle that? How 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.679 do you handle that from a mental standpoint, knowing that, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.600 as Bill Parcells used to say, Jimmy Johnson said, I'm 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.160 drafted your replace, I'm bringing in somebody to take your job. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.320 Man's it's tough on the psyche man. I remember sitting 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.920 there watching the draft every every season that I played, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.720 just to see like how high they would pick up 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.640 a safety and thank thankfully for us, we had guys 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.640 like Gerald Cincival and Church, guys that were already proven, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.520 so they didn't feel like they needed to go go 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.640 up that high end draft to safety, uh, you know, 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.520 as far as somebody who needed to come in and start. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.560 So we really looked to a free agency to bring 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.559 in guys. And we spoke about Brodney Pool last last episode, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.520 and that was a guy that they came in just 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.320 to kind of create a little bit of a company titian. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.000 But we had guys who could beat them out. So 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.120 so for me, as long as they didn't draft somebody 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.720 in the first or second I knew I was okay, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.320 and I was and I was more special teams, but 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:10.680 I knew me and Church will be able to stay 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.240 in that room. Church. Yeah, I'm not telling I'm not. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.760 I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I hated it. I 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.440 mean I used to. I used to watch the draft, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.800 I mean consistently me and like you said, me and 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:23.880 since the Bob mccraig, all right, that first round, I 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.600 went back all right, cool cool, they ain't picking nobody 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.840 up in our position. Second round with back all right, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.920 cool cool, Third round all right, we'll good. So once 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.080 once third round with bows, all right, I'm good. But 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.720 I used to hate it. Now. I remember when they 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.240 brought in Um will Cox. He's a great funded man 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.319 right now. But when they first brought him in, I'm like, oh, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.040 here we go. They didn't brought in a I think 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.960 it was a second round or third round safety man. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.679 They trying to replace your boy man, So I took 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.560 it as like disrespect. But Um, once I got to 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.080 know will Cox, and then he started getting all these 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.240 interceptions in Ota, so I was like, man, I can't 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.120 do this no more. This is gonna be some bullcrap. 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.640 But he ended up, you know, we ended up being 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.120 real good friends and playing beside each other the whole time. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.000 So I mean, you just gotta look at it different way. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:05.600 I hated it through my experience, just to be honest. Well, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.280 I feel like the Cowboys have done something that we 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.960 needed to see that we have at the past couple 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:16.640 of seasons, and that's really bringing some competition in the 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.800 room man, and all over the board. You know, no 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.120 more sacred cows. So dudes got to come in here 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.680 and earn jobs and feeling some pressure. So we see 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.880 it in the defensive back room. We see it on 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.960 the D line group. One of the things I immediately 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.559 thought of when I saw Gallimore from Oklahoma is Hey, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.720 Tristan Hill, but to wake up. You better wake up 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.280 because they are sitting here right now drafting someone at 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.480 your position. They have signed on Terry Pole, they have 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.719 signed Gerald McCoy. This is you know, if Tristan Hill 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.480 don't get it right, he could end up going the 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.480 way of Taco Charlton, who they ended up cutting. Chaco 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.800 signed in Miami, and yesterday Taco was cut by the 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.160 Miami Dolins. Saved the one point three million get him 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.680 out of us. His attitude wouldn't right. Huh, Well, I 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:56.880 guess you know. At the end of the day, the 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.880 attitude continued. That's the saddest thing. The attitude continued. Man. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.880 Like you know, in that situation, once you get it, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.320 once you get a fresh start, it's supposed to be, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.559 you realize what you did wrong, and then you come 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.480 in with a new attitude and try to impress the 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.920 guys there. And I think the five Saxon might have 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.280 might have made his head a little bigger than he 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:26.520 than it should have been. Well, according to Miami Herald. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.360 He was deactivated for three of his final five games. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.400 And I don't know if you how much you guys 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.000 paid attention to the Dolphins, but the rough start that 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.679 they had, especially when we saw them in Game three 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.640 at Jerry World, where the Cowboys handled them pretty well 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.040 and they had to bring into two quarterbacks Fitzgerald and Rosen, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.360 we saw toward the end the Miami Dolphins started understanding 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.720 what it is Brian Flores wanting, and by the fact 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.080 that they started getting better, and they told Taco Charthan 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.880 to take a seat the same way the Cowboys were 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.040 telling them to take a seat. That was pretty damning. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.920 It was pretty damning. And I don't know where he 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.480 goes after this, because you had one a team that 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.240 used it for trying to pick on you, who wanted 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.559 to see you succeed, and then another team that needed 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.240 some help. And by the end they're like, you know, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.960 we don't want you, and they've now you know, moved 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.000 on from him. So I don't know where Taco goes. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.840 But the word I kept hearing was entitled. And when 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.480 I started thinking about what's ahead for Tristan Hill, Triston 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.400 Hill's got a problem he's got a problem. But people 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.720 thinking it, here's another guy like Taco Charlton who's not 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.160 taking this series, who is not who's got an attitude problem. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.480 That's what I'm hearing. And so if I'm Tristan Hill 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.319 and I see what they've done in free agency in 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.000 the draft, I'd be on my giddy up right now. Man, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.600 I'd be on my giddey up, just knowing whenever you 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:40.240 hit the field that you got to save your career. Man, yeah, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.520 you gotta for this one. This is you do not 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.360 want to get labeled those I mean when you go 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:45.800 into the NFL, there's two things you don't want to 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.240 get labeled as, and that's entitled or uncoachable. And when 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.360 you get those two tags, I mean, I'm the word 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.040 travels faster around the NFL than people realizing if you 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.800 get those two tags on you, it kind of become untouchable. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.160 So hopefully Taco, can you know, get maybe one more 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.120 chance to kind of rewrite what what is sown about him. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.000 But tris like, you're right, you're right about Tristan Hill. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.400 Is time for him to wake up, man, Like, like 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.240 you said, he was a higher draft pick and he 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.480 got to start producing if he wants to stay around church. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.840 What do you think? What is the expectation? Bring up 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:19.000 the wa I'm sorry, would you say, Danny? I said, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.800 what's your expectation for Tristan Hill? Now? Right right now? 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.880 He watched the draft, he watched Howard unfolded. What is 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.720 he doing right now? What is he thinking? If I'm 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.320 Tristan Hill, I'm getting as cool as I can with 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.160 the special team's coach and trying to do as much 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.960 as I can special teams wise, because I mean, the 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.080 competition they brought in, it's gonna be tough for him 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.360 to see the field unless he just miraculously changes his 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.640 whole approach to the game. So if I'm him, I'm 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.640 trying to change my approach and getting best friends with 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:49.760 a special team's coach. Gotcha, Yeah, that's smart. He got 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.440 he gotta do something to get He got to do 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.320 something to get an advantage over the rest of the guys, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.280 because if you're going off last year's tape, it's something 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.440 that they saw in these other guys that they that 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.200 they think are better than you. So every advantage you can, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.240 the more you can do. He better get on field 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:08.280 goal block and field goal protection and the fact you've 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.880 got a coaching staff who's not married to you. I mean, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:15.280 this is a Rod Marinelli pick. Tristan Hill was Rod's 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.680 goal He's in Oakland right now. So you've got nobody 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.800 here to save you that nobody even cares about you 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.640 like that. So, um, he better be ready to go 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.680 another position battle. That's going to be very interesting to 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.840 see what happens with the Cowboys. He's at the center position. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.640 So Travis Frederick ended up retiring Joe Looney. From what 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.520 I was told, Joe Lenney can start for about fifty 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.120 percent of the teams in the NFL. They think that 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.880 he's that talented a player. But Joe Looney's up for 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.760 the job. Connor mcgoverned from Penn State UM drafted as 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.600 a guard, but played a year at center at Penn State. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.720 I've heard Connor William's name thrown out there, but obviously 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.920 when they brought drafted Tyler Biattish, who was the Rimington 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.800 Award winner out of Wisconsin, he'll be in that mix. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.440 So you've got three guys who could possibly end up 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:02.520 being the starting center for the Cowboys. And let's be honest, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.360 Carter Williams is not a lock for that guard position. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.360 So this is gonna be interesting one more time to see. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.600 You know, there's another position battle a camp. But we 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.480 know Zach Martin is safe all decade player. The two 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.840 tackles are safe. But the center of the guard right now, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.600 we don't know who's gonna line up for the Cowboys 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.120 in twenty twenty. That's a position battle they're definitely looking. Yeah, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.160 that's a big time position battle to look at. And 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.040 like Danny said before, it's it's the more you can do. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.200 I think if you don't earn that starting job, like 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.760 you said, those guard positions are locked, those tackles are locked. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.480 If you don't earn the position on the squad, it's 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.520 it's what can you do in the versatility? Can you 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.600 be that swing tackle? Can you play all three interior 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.280 alignment positions? So it's the more you can do. I 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.880 think the more versatile alignment will be kept. But um, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.880 like you said, it's gonna be a big time competition 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.800 for those offensive line spots. And I'm looking forward to 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.640 campus in and who's gonna come out on top of 0:16:50.640 --> 0:17:00.800 that victory. Yeah, that's it's huge. And yeah, hello, yeah, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.240 I said the only only unfortunate thing about this is 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.800 we the lack of a training camp or the lack 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.840 of OTAs that that could possibly happen. So the competition 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.600 that we are hoping to see, we might not be 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.560 able to see as much of it. Danny, how much 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:21.640 can they really get done with virtual training? Offensive line 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.840 of defensive line? Not much that is that is that's 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.720 in the trenches. That is, you gotta get your hands 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.080 on somebody. You gotta learn and make sure that your 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.639 pad lovel is correct. You gotta you gotta keep getting 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.240 repping those things so that it can become a habit 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.119 and you can lose that that uh, that habit within 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.080 for three months that you won't be doing any football 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.800 and just being on a computer. So I mean it'll 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.840 be tough, more tough for the offensive line, of defensive line, 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.520 receivers and dbs a little easier, but they also need 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.160 to be on the field going through those emotions as well. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.280 This is going to be you know, interesting time for 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.960 all these teams like the Cowboys, you look at the 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.760 New York Giants, look at Washington, anybody that's got a 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.800 new head coach. Not being able to have that opportunity 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.440 to really teach and so much I think fans don't 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.640 understand its teaching, and that's what good coaches are, their 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.920 teachers and being able to figure out how you teach, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.000 because guys learn in different ways. Some guys they have 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.760 to be taught on the field. Some guys you could 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.600 teach him, you know, on the board in the room. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.679 So that's that's gonna be interested to see how the Cowboys, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.080 when they are finally able to get out here play 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.120 how much is this McCarthy and might know how much 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.560 they're behind putting in their system and how how quickly 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.000 they can teach it to guys and then maybe what 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.560 concepts maybe you can keep from what you had before 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.760 and then maybe implements a little bit of what they 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.760 have to do later on. Danny. That's something that I'm 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:48.040 very interested to see how they attack. Yeah, it's gonna 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.920 be tough. Like I said, when we in twenty ten, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.920 when Rob Ryan came in and we didn't have any 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.240 OTAs and we just went straight to training camp, that 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.440 was probably one of the toughest learning sessions that we've 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.400 been a part of because he had a very very 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.040 thick playbook and we were just trying to cram everything 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.919 in to get ready for that first preseason and then 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.760 first regular season game, and we made a lot of mistakes. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.080 It's hard to learn that stuff just on the board 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.840 and looking at the paper and the playbooks. You gotta 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.560 be out there and get those rips and go through 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.920 situational football, and without that, the game will look a 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.280 lot different, especially to start the season. And I think 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.520 it's going to be a lot harder for the younger 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.960 guys who were trying to play multiple positions, who were 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.800 like maybe three and fourth on the depth chart, but 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.399 trying to see if they can become a corner or 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.680 slot corner or safety, because they have to learn all 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.600 three of those different positions just to make the team. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.119 The guys that are kind of on the team already 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.879 entrenched at their position dact you know Amari Cooper, you 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.840 know Xavier Woods for example, but those guys already know 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.160 what the position is, so they just got a lock 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.760 on that one position. To learn that, I think it's 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.240 gonna be tough for the younger guys. You gotta learn 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:51.560 three or four different positions. But we'll see. All right, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.359 we are talking about the draft and the impact of 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.520 it right here on the players lines are newly scrutch 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.480 Danny mccred very Church joining me as well. Those guys 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.879 are former Dallas Cowboys dbs. Let us give some praise 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.199 to Will McClay and the job that he did. I 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.400 thought Will McClay everywhere along this board had the Cowboys 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.400 in a position to take a player that, in my 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.919 mind shouldn't have fallen. Ced Lamb. There's no way in 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.760 the world you could have told me the number one 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.560 wide receiving the draft would fall at seventeen. I scoffed 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.760