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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs
Speaker 1: here it is on a Friday. You know what time
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Speaker 1: the team for a long time back to when these
Speaker 1: boys were guy. These these guys were in maybe diapers
Speaker 1: when I was covering this team. Danny McCray and Barry Church,
Speaker 1: two former Dallas Cowboys dbs, here on a Friday, right, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: h First off, how are we doing? And we last
Speaker 1: left our conversation on a Friday talking about Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: and we were all saying we wanted to see defense.
Speaker 1: So Church, give me your thoughts on this draft with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I want a grade on it. Yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want your thoughts into grade. Yes, m all right.
Speaker 1: Mc cray, I mean to replace round the Cobb who
Speaker 1: had big production last season and they ended up getting
Speaker 1: that in the first round. And also the pick that
Speaker 1: we chose for the first round. They ended up still
Speaker 1: getting that in the second round, and then they followed
Speaker 1: that out with another corner. Uh, they showed up the
Speaker 1: D line. They got him another quarterback to for competition
Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush, and they picked up a center. I
Speaker 1: think I think they filled the needs on pretty much
Speaker 1: every position that they that they wanted to and it's
Speaker 1: some good talent that they have coming in to create
Speaker 1: a lot of oppetition for some of these guys, specifically
Speaker 1: in the dB room. So I'm very happy about that
Speaker 1: and I just can't wait to see how it all
Speaker 1: plays out once the season starts. So Ceedee Lamb goes
Speaker 1: in the first round for the Cowboys. Trevon Digg's corner
Speaker 1: from Alabama goes in round number two. Round three is
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore, defensive tackle from Oklahoma. Round four Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: from Tulsa, a tall corner who went to high school
Speaker 1: at Cleveland, so he's right down the road here in
Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth. Also, they go back up in the
Speaker 1: fourth round. They take the Remington Award winner Tyler Biadish
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. Bradley and I from Utah defender and this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's spent a lot of time, almost
Speaker 1: thirty sacks at Utah. He ran a slow forty, so
Speaker 1: he's there in the fifth round. And then he got
Speaker 1: Bend Nucci quarterback from James Madison, who Mike McCarthy apparently knew.
Speaker 1: They take him in round seven. So those are the
Speaker 1: draft picks that they got here. I give the draft
Speaker 1: an A because what I wanted to see was a
Speaker 1: lot of defense, and they got us at after a
Speaker 1: round one And when you think about round number one
Speaker 1: where they take CD Lamb in Church, you and I
Speaker 1: were kind of on that same page of Wow, how
Speaker 1: do you bypass defense? But this was the number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the draft. He was number six on
Speaker 1: their draft board according to Will McClay and Stephen Jones.
Speaker 1: So you get that guy and then you're able to
Speaker 1: go out and get a guy that we thought they
Speaker 1: should take in the first round and round number two.
Speaker 1: That's winning all day long. So I give it a
Speaker 1: great A because I felt like they touched on all
Speaker 1: their needs. And Danny, that was one of the things
Speaker 1: that you and I spoke about, and we talked about
Speaker 1: it on this show, is that they needed to address
Speaker 1: needs in this draft, and I feel like they did
Speaker 1: that all the way. Yeah, definitely, because I mean we
Speaker 1: lost a few pieces to free agency that we had
Speaker 1: some question marks, especially in the DV room with some
Speaker 1: guys who they had questionable production from that year, and
Speaker 1: then Byron left, so we needed to fill those voids
Speaker 1: in there, and we did that. We got we got
Speaker 1: a first round graded corner in the second and we
Speaker 1: also added some crazy offensive firepower. Now, so I think
Speaker 1: we have probably one of the top receiver receiving corps
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So we leave the draft with covering
Speaker 1: our defensive backs since then allowing our defensive line in
Speaker 1: the rush, and then we also picked up one of
Speaker 1: the top receivers in the draft, So I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think we could have done any better, all right, Church,
Speaker 1: So he's Trevondick six foot one guy and this Robins
Speaker 1: Rinch Robbers to sixty one guy. Will McClay spoke about
Speaker 1: how they want long corners and they talked about how
Speaker 1: receivers in this league are getting bigger and Biggerson they
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to match you with that. So
Speaker 1: give me your opinion on without having an ota right
Speaker 1: now in a mini camp, and maybe who knows when
Speaker 1: may ultimately have training camp. How quick could these guys
Speaker 1: possibly start, Barry, I think it's gonna be extremely tough,
Speaker 1: especially with no offseason program that we can see in
Speaker 1: the near future. The OTAs, we don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with them mini camp and then training camp. We
Speaker 1: just don't know. So it's gonna be hard for a
Speaker 1: guy coming straight out of college to transition it to
Speaker 1: the NFL and then pick up a playbook extremely fast
Speaker 1: and be able to be contribute to this defense. So
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard. So I think it
Speaker 1: gives a kind of a disservice to the rookies, but
Speaker 1: kind of a service to the veterans who are already
Speaker 1: kind of there. They can get the playbook in and
Speaker 1: know what kind of to expect. But overall, like you said,
Speaker 1: this is a new defense coming in. There's a new
Speaker 1: coaching sade, so every player doesn't know what to kind
Speaker 1: of expect, so I guess they're kind of all on
Speaker 1: even kill. But overall, I think the veterans that are
Speaker 1: in the room, that are have been in the NFL,
Speaker 1: have experienced playing and know how to play this game.
Speaker 1: I think that gives them the advantage and disadvantage to
Speaker 1: all the rookies coming in. But we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: at the end. Verry Church team crazy new We scrugs.
Speaker 1: We are the players land to go ahead then, And
Speaker 1: I was just saying, with the exception of those first
Speaker 1: two picks, I feel the same as Barry Dick should
Speaker 1: be able to step in and be a starter, and
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lambs should be able to step in. But those
Speaker 1: other guys, I think they'll be behind an eight ball
Speaker 1: went once we get started, all right, Danny, stay with
Speaker 1: me right there on talking about Dbs. So we heard that, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's some guys who could possibly move. We spoke about
Speaker 1: Cheeto Uzier possibly going to safety. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's about three episodes ago here on the Players' Lounge
Speaker 1: and now it's getting more and more esteemed it. They
Speaker 1: couldn't move Cheeto to corner. They also signed a free
Speaker 1: agent m Darryl Warley who's also got some ability to
Speaker 1: play safety. So where do we think that isn't gonna
Speaker 1: end up going for the Cheeto by the ways in
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract. Yeah, I'll go ahead, Danny,
Speaker 1: You got what it's gonna be I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough, man, because, like you said, it's a crowded room.
Speaker 1: Right now. You got Worley, who I believe was a
Speaker 1: former first round picking. He has size and versatility. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's sixty three. I think he's
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds, So he's big enough and
Speaker 1: versatil enough to play corner and he can play safety.
Speaker 1: So and I think the same with the Wouzier as well.
Speaker 1: Come out of college, people weren't sure if he was
Speaker 1: going to be a corner or safety going into the league.
Speaker 1: Ended up playing corner. But this could be a situation
Speaker 1: like Byron Jones where he was at safety at the
Speaker 1: beginning of his career. People were kind of counting them
Speaker 1: as a bust and then they moved in the corner
Speaker 1: and he blossom. So maybe this will be the same
Speaker 1: type of situation with the Woozier where if they do
Speaker 1: decide to move him back to safety, he can you know,
Speaker 1: reach his full potential and to blossom in as well.
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see what happens on that. But
Speaker 1: we got a lot of versatile players on this secondary
Speaker 1: and i'd like to see what they do with moving
Speaker 1: these pieces. Yeah, listen, if they move Cheetah Wouzier to dB,
Speaker 1: he will not see the field. I mean, you know now,
Speaker 1: because I mean we're talking about yeah to safety. We
Speaker 1: talked about them having two starting caliber safeties already, so
Speaker 1: I don't see him being able to correct that starting
Speaker 1: lineup over two guys who have proven experience at safety.
Speaker 1: So you know, if most he might be one of
Speaker 1: those guys who comes in on covering one to cover
Speaker 1: a tight end. But as far as I'm seeing seeing
Speaker 1: significant playing time if he's a safety, I don't see
Speaker 1: that happening. All right, Danny, stay with me here. You
Speaker 1: guys have been a part of teams where you've watched
Speaker 1: them make drafts of free agencieties and bringing in people
Speaker 1: at your position. So how did guys handle that? How
Speaker 1: do you handle that from a mental standpoint, knowing that,
Speaker 1: as Bill Parcells used to say, Jimmy Johnson said, I'm
Speaker 1: drafted your replace, I'm bringing in somebody to take your job.
Speaker 1: Man's it's tough on the psyche man. I remember sitting
Speaker 1: there watching the draft every every season that I played,
Speaker 1: just to see like how high they would pick up
Speaker 1: a safety and thank thankfully for us, we had guys
Speaker 1: like Gerald Cincival and Church, guys that were already proven,
Speaker 1: so they didn't feel like they needed to go go
Speaker 1: up that high end draft to safety, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as somebody who needed to come in and start.
Speaker 1: So we really looked to a free agency to bring
Speaker 1: in guys. And we spoke about Brodney Pool last last episode,
Speaker 1: and that was a guy that they came in just
Speaker 1: to kind of create a little bit of a company titian.
Speaker 1: But we had guys who could beat them out. So
Speaker 1: so for me, as long as they didn't draft somebody
Speaker 1: in the first or second I knew I was okay,
Speaker 1: and I was and I was more special teams, but
Speaker 1: I knew me and Church will be able to stay
Speaker 1: in that room. Church. Yeah, I'm not telling I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I hated it. I
Speaker 1: mean I used to. I used to watch the draft,
Speaker 1: I mean consistently me and like you said, me and
Speaker 1: since the Bob mccraig, all right, that first round, I
Speaker 1: went back all right, cool cool, they ain't picking nobody
Speaker 1: up in our position. Second round with back all right,
Speaker 1: cool cool, Third round all right, we'll good. So once
Speaker 1: once third round with bows, all right, I'm good. But
Speaker 1: I used to hate it. Now. I remember when they
Speaker 1: brought in Um will Cox. He's a great funded man
Speaker 1: right now. But when they first brought him in, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. They didn't brought in a I think
Speaker 1: it was a second round or third round safety man.
Speaker 1: They trying to replace your boy man, So I took
Speaker 1: it as like disrespect. But Um, once I got to
Speaker 1: know will Cox, and then he started getting all these
Speaker 1: interceptions in Ota, so I was like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: do this no more. This is gonna be some bullcrap.
Speaker 1: But he ended up, you know, we ended up being
Speaker 1: real good friends and playing beside each other the whole time.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you just gotta look at it different way.
Speaker 1: I hated it through my experience, just to be honest. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like the Cowboys have done something that we
Speaker 1: needed to see that we have at the past couple
Speaker 1: of seasons, and that's really bringing some competition in the
Speaker 1: room man, and all over the board. You know, no
Speaker 1: more sacred cows. So dudes got to come in here
Speaker 1: and earn jobs and feeling some pressure. So we see
Speaker 1: it in the defensive back room. We see it on
Speaker 1: the D line group. One of the things I immediately
Speaker 1: thought of when I saw Gallimore from Oklahoma is Hey,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, but to wake up. You better wake up
Speaker 1: because they are sitting here right now drafting someone at
Speaker 1: your position. They have signed on Terry Pole, they have
Speaker 1: signed Gerald McCoy. This is you know, if Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: don't get it right, he could end up going the
Speaker 1: way of Taco Charlton, who they ended up cutting. Chaco
Speaker 1: signed in Miami, and yesterday Taco was cut by the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolins. Saved the one point three million get him
Speaker 1: out of us. His attitude wouldn't right. Huh, Well, I
Speaker 1: guess you know. At the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: attitude continued. That's the saddest thing. The attitude continued. Man.
Speaker 1: Like you know, in that situation, once you get it,
Speaker 1: once you get a fresh start, it's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: you realize what you did wrong, and then you come
Speaker 1: in with a new attitude and try to impress the
Speaker 1: guys there. And I think the five Saxon might have
Speaker 1: might have made his head a little bigger than he
Speaker 1: than it should have been. Well, according to Miami Herald.
Speaker 1: He was deactivated for three of his final five games.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you how much you guys
Speaker 1: paid attention to the Dolphins, but the rough start that
Speaker 1: they had, especially when we saw them in Game three
Speaker 1: at Jerry World, where the Cowboys handled them pretty well
Speaker 1: and they had to bring into two quarterbacks Fitzgerald and Rosen,
Speaker 1: we saw toward the end the Miami Dolphins started understanding
Speaker 1: what it is Brian Flores wanting, and by the fact
Speaker 1: that they started getting better, and they told Taco Charthan
Speaker 1: to take a seat the same way the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: telling them to take a seat. That was pretty damning.
Speaker 1: It was pretty damning. And I don't know where he
Speaker 1: goes after this, because you had one a team that
Speaker 1: used it for trying to pick on you, who wanted
Speaker 1: to see you succeed, and then another team that needed
Speaker 1: some help. And by the end they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want you, and they've now you know, moved
Speaker 1: on from him. So I don't know where Taco goes.
Speaker 1: But the word I kept hearing was entitled. And when
Speaker 1: I started thinking about what's ahead for Tristan Hill, Triston
Speaker 1: Hill's got a problem he's got a problem. But people
Speaker 1: thinking it, here's another guy like Taco Charlton who's not
Speaker 1: taking this series, who is not who's got an attitude problem.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing. And so if I'm Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: and I see what they've done in free agency in
Speaker 1: the draft, I'd be on my giddy up right now. Man,
Speaker 1: I'd be on my giddey up, just knowing whenever you
Speaker 1: hit the field that you got to save your career. Man, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta for this one. This is you do not
Speaker 1: want to get labeled those I mean when you go
Speaker 1: into the NFL, there's two things you don't want to
Speaker 1: get labeled as, and that's entitled or uncoachable. And when
Speaker 1: you get those two tags, I mean, I'm the word
Speaker 1: travels faster around the NFL than people realizing if you
Speaker 1: get those two tags on you, it kind of become untouchable.
Speaker 1: So hopefully Taco, can you know, get maybe one more
Speaker 1: chance to kind of rewrite what what is sown about him.
Speaker 1: But tris like, you're right, you're right about Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: Is time for him to wake up, man, Like, like
Speaker 1: you said, he was a higher draft pick and he
Speaker 1: got to start producing if he wants to stay around church.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What is the expectation? Bring up
Speaker 1: the wa I'm sorry, would you say, Danny? I said,
Speaker 1: what's your expectation for Tristan Hill? Now? Right right now?
Speaker 1: He watched the draft, he watched Howard unfolded. What is
Speaker 1: he doing right now? What is he thinking? If I'm
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, I'm getting as cool as I can with
Speaker 1: the special team's coach and trying to do as much
Speaker 1: as I can special teams wise, because I mean, the
Speaker 1: competition they brought in, it's gonna be tough for him
Speaker 1: to see the field unless he just miraculously changes his
Speaker 1: whole approach to the game. So if I'm him, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to change my approach and getting best friends with
Speaker 1: a special team's coach. Gotcha, Yeah, that's smart. He got
Speaker 1: he gotta do something to get He got to do
Speaker 1: something to get an advantage over the rest of the guys,
Speaker 1: because if you're going off last year's tape, it's something
Speaker 1: that they saw in these other guys that they that
Speaker 1: they think are better than you. So every advantage you can,
Speaker 1: the more you can do. He better get on field
Speaker 1: goal block and field goal protection and the fact you've
Speaker 1: got a coaching staff who's not married to you. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a Rod Marinelli pick. Tristan Hill was Rod's
Speaker 1: goal He's in Oakland right now. So you've got nobody
Speaker 1: here to save you that nobody even cares about you
Speaker 1: like that. So, um, he better be ready to go
Speaker 1: another position battle. That's going to be very interesting to
Speaker 1: see what happens with the Cowboys. He's at the center position.
Speaker 1: So Travis Frederick ended up retiring Joe Looney. From what
Speaker 1: I was told, Joe Lenney can start for about fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the teams in the NFL. They think that
Speaker 1: he's that talented a player. But Joe Looney's up for
Speaker 1: the job. Connor mcgoverned from Penn State UM drafted as
Speaker 1: a guard, but played a year at center at Penn State.
Speaker 1: I've heard Connor William's name thrown out there, but obviously
Speaker 1: when they brought drafted Tyler Biattish, who was the Rimington
Speaker 1: Award winner out of Wisconsin, he'll be in that mix.
Speaker 1: So you've got three guys who could possibly end up
Speaker 1: being the starting center for the Cowboys. And let's be honest,
Speaker 1: Carter Williams is not a lock for that guard position.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be interesting one more time to see.
Speaker 1: You know, there's another position battle a camp. But we
Speaker 1: know Zach Martin is safe all decade player. The two
Speaker 1: tackles are safe. But the center of the guard right now,
Speaker 1: we don't know who's gonna line up for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. That's a position battle they're definitely looking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a big time position battle to look at. And
Speaker 1: like Danny said before, it's it's the more you can do.
Speaker 1: I think if you don't earn that starting job, like
Speaker 1: you said, those guard positions are locked, those tackles are locked.
Speaker 1: If you don't earn the position on the squad, it's
Speaker 1: it's what can you do in the versatility? Can you
Speaker 1: be that swing tackle? Can you play all three interior
Speaker 1: alignment positions? So it's the more you can do. I
Speaker 1: think the more versatile alignment will be kept. But um,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's gonna be a big time competition
Speaker 1: for those offensive line spots. And I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: campus in and who's gonna come out on top of
Speaker 1: that victory. Yeah, that's it's huge. And yeah, hello, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said the only only unfortunate thing about this is
Speaker 1: we the lack of a training camp or the lack
Speaker 1: of OTAs that that could possibly happen. So the competition
Speaker 1: that we are hoping to see, we might not be
Speaker 1: able to see as much of it. Danny, how much
Speaker 1: can they really get done with virtual training? Offensive line
Speaker 1: of defensive line? Not much that is that is that's
Speaker 1: in the trenches. That is, you gotta get your hands
Speaker 1: on somebody. You gotta learn and make sure that your
Speaker 1: pad lovel is correct. You gotta you gotta keep getting
Speaker 1: repping those things so that it can become a habit
Speaker 1: and you can lose that that uh, that habit within
Speaker 1: for three months that you won't be doing any football
Speaker 1: and just being on a computer. So I mean it'll
Speaker 1: be tough, more tough for the offensive line, of defensive line,
Speaker 1: receivers and dbs a little easier, but they also need
Speaker 1: to be on the field going through those emotions as well.
Speaker 1: This is going to be you know, interesting time for
Speaker 1: all these teams like the Cowboys, you look at the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, look at Washington, anybody that's got a
Speaker 1: new head coach. Not being able to have that opportunity
Speaker 1: to really teach and so much I think fans don't
Speaker 1: understand its teaching, and that's what good coaches are, their
Speaker 1: teachers and being able to figure out how you teach,
Speaker 1: because guys learn in different ways. Some guys they have
Speaker 1: to be taught on the field. Some guys you could
Speaker 1: teach him, you know, on the board in the room.
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be interested to see how the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: when they are finally able to get out here play
Speaker 1: how much is this McCarthy and might know how much
Speaker 1: they're behind putting in their system and how how quickly
Speaker 1: they can teach it to guys and then maybe what
Speaker 1: concepts maybe you can keep from what you had before
Speaker 1: and then maybe implements a little bit of what they
Speaker 1: have to do later on. Danny. That's something that I'm
Speaker 1: very interested to see how they attack. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough. Like I said, when we in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: when Rob Ryan came in and we didn't have any
Speaker 1: OTAs and we just went straight to training camp, that
Speaker 1: was probably one of the toughest learning sessions that we've
Speaker 1: been a part of because he had a very very
Speaker 1: thick playbook and we were just trying to cram everything
Speaker 1: in to get ready for that first preseason and then
Speaker 1: first regular season game, and we made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: It's hard to learn that stuff just on the board
Speaker 1: and looking at the paper and the playbooks. You gotta
Speaker 1: be out there and get those rips and go through
Speaker 1: situational football, and without that, the game will look a
Speaker 1: lot different, especially to start the season. And I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot harder for the younger
Speaker 1: guys who were trying to play multiple positions, who were
Speaker 1: like maybe three and fourth on the depth chart, but
Speaker 1: trying to see if they can become a corner or
Speaker 1: slot corner or safety, because they have to learn all
Speaker 1: three of those different positions just to make the team.
Speaker 1: The guys that are kind of on the team already
Speaker 1: entrenched at their position dact you know Amari Cooper, you
Speaker 1: know Xavier Woods for example, but those guys already know
Speaker 1: what the position is, so they just got a lock
Speaker 1: on that one position. To learn that, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough for the younger guys. You gotta learn
Speaker 1: three or four different positions. But we'll see. All right,
Speaker 1: we are talking about the draft and the impact of
Speaker 1: it right here on the players lines are newly scrutch
Speaker 1: Danny mccred very Church joining me as well. Those guys
Speaker 1: are former Dallas Cowboys dbs. Let us give some praise
Speaker 1: to Will McClay and the job that he did. I
Speaker 1: thought Will McClay everywhere along this board had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in a position to take a player that, in my
Speaker 1: mind shouldn't have fallen. Ced Lamb. There's no way in
Speaker 1: the world you could have told me the number one
Speaker 1: wide receiving the draft would fall at seventeen. I scoffed
Speaker 1: at it. I laughed at it all day long. I said,
Speaker 1: people stopped. I wrote a Cowbum Dallasbarre News, don't even
Speaker 1: think about CD Lamb that you need to go defense.
Speaker 1: And Cede Lamb is there, Trevon Digs is there. I
Speaker 1: just thought all along the way Will mcclays did an
Speaker 1: outstanding job and making sure the Cowboys had an impact draft.
Speaker 1: And if we look at how and what Will has
Speaker 1: done since he took over drafting for the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: just think this is one of the best evaluators of
Speaker 1: talent in the National Football League. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like he's got to get more credit. And I think
Speaker 1: the Jones family did a good job calling him the MVP,
Speaker 1: but I just can't say enough good things about what
Speaker 1: this guy breaks the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm a big Will
Speaker 1: McClay fan one because he's a Houston guy. He's from
Speaker 1: the great city of Houston, in the great state of Texas.
Speaker 1: And Will McClay is one of the guys who actually
Speaker 1: looked out for me when I first got here. So
Speaker 1: I have a special place in my heartful Will and
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that he was in that room controlling
Speaker 1: all of this because that a grade. I'm giving ninety
Speaker 1: percent of it to him. Yeah, I gotta agree with you,
Speaker 1: d mac on now one. Like you said, he was
Speaker 1: one of the guys that brought me in as an
Speaker 1: undrafted creation and kind of believed in me. And I
Speaker 1: mean he's been hitting for the past ten years on
Speaker 1: these drafts. I mean, look at the All Pros and
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls that he's already drafted him. He got Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, I mean guys like that, Dad's Brian. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's all over the board, so he shouts out the Will.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got another draft right, and hopefully we
Speaker 1: can see them produce on the field. One of the
Speaker 1: things that he said when asked about the draft was
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy told him players over scheme. And one of
Speaker 1: the things I've learned to do as a reporter is
Speaker 1: sometimes it's what guys don't say, or reading into what
Speaker 1: they say and you kind of get an answer. One
Speaker 1: thing we knew when they drafted Taco Charlton over t J. Watt,
Speaker 1: and t J Watt was ready to be a higher player.
Speaker 1: We were told scheme fit, scheme fit, which was code
Speaker 1: for Rod didn't think t J. Watt could play in
Speaker 1: his scheme and Taco Charlton did. Well, we now know
Speaker 1: that's a mistake, and so when Will set that, I
Speaker 1: immediately thought about, Okay, this is the previous coaching regime
Speaker 1: that there may have been some players that Will and
Speaker 1: the scouts thought, hey, this is a guy we like,
Speaker 1: but the coaches didn't feel that he fit their scheme,
Speaker 1: and the coaches didn't want to do it. So here's
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy adopting what Tony Dungey's adopted, which is, hey,
Speaker 1: get me the players and we'll figure out how to
Speaker 1: use them. I'm gonna have to disagree on now. One
Speaker 1: that I feel like, you know, okay, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Garrett's staff, I mean
Speaker 1: had a great approach to it as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at it. Look at the drafted players they have
Speaker 1: gotten through the past ten years or Gary's tenure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they have the most Pro Bowled drafted players
Speaker 1: of all NFL teams. I could be wrong on that,
Speaker 1: but I believe that's right, and so I can't look
Speaker 1: at the scheme fence. I mean, look, we had the
Speaker 1: best offensive line going for five years in a row,
Speaker 1: I believe. So. I mean, just a simple fact that
Speaker 1: he said scheme players over scheme just because he's got
Speaker 1: this draft right, I mean, you know, I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I think it's always been that way, and the proof
Speaker 1: is in the putting with the players that he's drafted
Speaker 1: in the past being Pro Bowlers. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's just because of Michael McCarthy. I just think Will
Speaker 1: just a great guy when it comes to drafting players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm fifty fifty following that one. I'm with Church
Speaker 1: in KNWI just because if you think about what we
Speaker 1: had the draft from Roma was playing, we had the
Speaker 1: draft offensive a linement to protect him, so you couldn't
Speaker 1: just say players over scheme. You needed guys who could
Speaker 1: protect Tony so he could throw those touchdowns. So I
Speaker 1: think some of it goes to what you need at
Speaker 1: that time for a certain player or what you want
Speaker 1: to do as an offense. And then when you have
Speaker 1: that set up, like you already do here as far
Speaker 1: as the offensive line and some some positions on the
Speaker 1: defensive line, you can go say, hey, players over scheme.
Speaker 1: You already had two top receivers, so yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: go get me another one. You already pretty much had
Speaker 1: your offensive line set up, so on offense, the only
Speaker 1: thing you needed was a receiver, so you could pick
Speaker 1: any offensive player that you wanted and they could fit
Speaker 1: into what we already had. So I'm fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: on that one. I think it just depends on where
Speaker 1: your team is and how you plan on playing the
Speaker 1: game of football in the upcoming season. So Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and j G I think they both did good jobs.
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Speaker 1: So they have given out numbers to the rookies. So
Speaker 1: quarterback Ben Denucci is number one. Bradley and I the
Speaker 1: defensive end is fifty one. Tyler Beyonder she is sixty three,
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson's forty one, Nevin Galimore is seventy five, Trevon
Speaker 1: Diggs is thirty one, and C. D. Lamb takes over
Speaker 1: the famed eighty eight. Hey, Chris, can you mute? So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this one more time? The eighty eight
Speaker 1: jersey made famous by Drew Pearson, made famous by Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin hit a dormant with Antonio Bryant who through the
Speaker 1: Ada jerousy Bill Parcelsa's face, followed by Das Bryant who
Speaker 1: bore the eighty eight. So Cede Lamp said he wanted
Speaker 1: to wear ten. Jerry Joe spoke have been wearing eighty eight.
Speaker 1: So he's wearing the eighty eight fellas Your thoughts on
Speaker 1: CD LAMB wearing that iconic number very go ahead, you
Speaker 1: thought you're going. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be just looking at But uh yeah, my
Speaker 1: thoughts on the eighty eight man, it's funny. It's a
Speaker 1: funny story because, like you said, everybody seems to skip
Speaker 1: Antonio brand when it comes to the ad eight jersey.
Speaker 1: But overall, I think, I mean, it's a tough number
Speaker 1: to hold accountable. I mean, like you said, there's been
Speaker 1: greats in there. There's been piercing, there's been Michael Irv
Speaker 1: and you know, Dad's Brian, Who's I think it has
Speaker 1: the all time touchdown record for the Dallas Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: I mean it's a tough number to to kind of
Speaker 1: fill the shoes of those guys. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: if anybody could do it, I guess Cede lamp Can.
Speaker 1: I mean he's the number one rated receiver. Um, they
Speaker 1: all said his program Harrison was that des Brian, So
Speaker 1: hopefully he can wreck that eighty eight jersey. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: little confused, just just just because I thought the eighty
Speaker 1: eight jersey went to the number one receiver on the team,
Speaker 1: and right now, I think the hundred million dollars man
Speaker 1: is a'm Mark Cooper. So we'll see on the field
Speaker 1: and off the field, and he just I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll be a starter coming into
Speaker 1: the game. I think that was to some extent it
Speaker 1: was a money move because that eighty eight jersey sells
Speaker 1: like hot cakes for Jerry, so it'll be coming off
Speaker 1: the shelves this season. But he is not the number
Speaker 1: one receiver on this team, which eighty eight usually goes to. Now,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody on Dallas Cowboys Twitter weighing in here,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people feel like Jerry Jones's strong
Speaker 1: armed CD lad had taken eighty eight because he initially
Speaker 1: said he was gonna wear it number ten. And I
Speaker 1: did have a buddy of mine who brent to that.
Speaker 1: I said, well, isn't Jerry Jones probably the number one
Speaker 1: marketer out there when it comes to national football? So
Speaker 1: Jerry said, where the eighty eight is that? A? Is
Speaker 1: that really a bad idea to wear it? Jerry says it,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 1: idea for him to wear that, but I think he
Speaker 1: was your boys definitely right. He definitely got rock bottomed
Speaker 1: into wearing an AD eight jersey. But I mean it's
Speaker 1: a smart move for him to wear it because I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe some of the jersey sales go to the players,
Speaker 1: so you know, if they're selling like hotcakes, especially down
Speaker 1: in Dallas, I mean, he's gonna get a portion of
Speaker 1: that money. So hey, I mean it's a smart move
Speaker 1: on his Behalf eighty eight is gonna seal and Jerry
Speaker 1: knows that there's there's always a high hot sales on
Speaker 1: the number eighty eight jersey and CD Lamb will benefit
Speaker 1: from that. But this is more of a Jerry Jerry
Speaker 1: market and move than it is I want to see
Speaker 1: him be the next Grade eighty eight. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's more more market and more money. Uh maybe it
Speaker 1: was the respect they had for Tavon Austin. They just
Speaker 1: don't want to give away Tati retired number ten. You know,
Speaker 1: they want to let ta al right, he for a
Speaker 1: little bit before they just got the number ten. They
Speaker 1: saving a number ten for dead man. They switching out numbers.
Speaker 1: There's back stop it. See see the fact that Jerry,
Speaker 1: See Jerry, who once said he was dreaming about Deaz
Speaker 1: in the shower, is not dreaming about another eighty eight
Speaker 1: and he wanted to put that on sceney lamp. So
Speaker 1: Daz's done. You now know des is done. So put
Speaker 1: on Twitter videos. Maybe Buffalo or got an Arizona. He
Speaker 1: got some places to go. Man, there's there's that's would
Speaker 1: be playing this season. I don't know that. I don't
Speaker 1: see Daz in Arizona though. I mean that's going on.
Speaker 1: That's a track meet out there. They're trying to run.
Speaker 1: But but it's not it's not gonna be here. I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that Jerry or draft night was trying
Speaker 1: to give away to eighty eight, that told you they
Speaker 1: were done with. And so for all these fans who
Speaker 1: been hitting us up on Twitter, So our Den is
Speaker 1: a number three receiver, No, they got three receivers and
Speaker 1: your fourth receiver. You guys can speak to this because
Speaker 1: you know your fourth receiver has to play special teams
Speaker 1: and Dens doesn't play special teams. Yeah, it's just not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said, he'll be playing somewhere
Speaker 1: Here'll be making some plays this season, this upcoming season somewhere,
Speaker 1: just not sure where at the moment. All right, let's
Speaker 1: return to the draft here, fellas. I thought the one
Speaker 1: team that at least when I did my mandrac, I
Speaker 1: thought the Saints could take a run at Love at
Speaker 1: Jordan Loved, the quarterback out of Utah's day. But when
Speaker 1: I saw Green Bay traded up to go get Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: I was shaking my head because we know Drew Brees
Speaker 1: is at the end. He's already agreed to join NBC
Speaker 1: Sports when his time with the Saints are done. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this will be Drew Brees's last dance this year.
Speaker 1: But Aaron Rodgers has a big contractor that spoke about
Speaker 1: playing till forty and he's thirty six right now. When
Speaker 1: I saw them, what happened to Love? Knowing that they
Speaker 1: needed to get a wide receiver Danny, I shook my head, saying,
Speaker 1: are they trying to mess with this man? What's going
Speaker 1: on in Greenback? What was your thoughts? Man? It's it's
Speaker 1: confusing up there, man, because you got a rod and
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at the number one
Speaker 1: receivers that they've drafted, like in the first round, and
Speaker 1: they haven't done that for him. When you got a
Speaker 1: guy like that, you want to get as many weapons
Speaker 1: around him as possible, especially when you coming up a
Speaker 1: season like you did, when you're one game away from
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, like you gotta get this guy some
Speaker 1: help and show that you're all in on trying to
Speaker 1: win while he's here, not building for the future. And
Speaker 1: it's very confusing that they would draft this guy that's
Speaker 1: high when there are other players out there on the
Speaker 1: board that you could have went and added as weapons
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers to get. It just shows that to me.
Speaker 1: It just shows that they're they're looking toward the future,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make much sense to me because Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is still playing as a top five quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: I'm back now. I missed the question though. Okay, so Barry,
Speaker 1: I oppose it to you. We look up on draft
Speaker 1: night and I had said when I did my mind draft,
Speaker 1: I had the Saints taking Jordan Love out of Utah
Speaker 1: State the quarterback because I felt like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is probably the end for Drew Brees, especially once we
Speaker 1: knew he agreed to a deal with NBC Sports to
Speaker 1: join to join their crew, that maybe this would be
Speaker 1: it for him. So the Saints going ahead, possibly, you know,
Speaker 1: get in love. But we see the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: trading up to go get Aaron Rodgers's replacement. And here's
Speaker 1: a team that Danny I spoke about. They played in
Speaker 1: the NSC Championship game. I thought they were gonna go
Speaker 1: wide receiver. They didn't do it. So, Danny, if you're
Speaker 1: playing for the Green Bay Packers, not just Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: if you're the team, what do you think by the
Speaker 1: move it's made like this where Love isn't needing to
Speaker 1: touch the field this year to help them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be This whole situation to me is confusing. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, you got a guy who was a
Speaker 1: game away from going to the taking a team to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, And I mean, like you said, he
Speaker 1: had a down year, but his numbers were still I
Speaker 1: think remarkable. I mean he only threw so yet what
Speaker 1: maybe five or six interceptions, and I think he threw
Speaker 1: about twenty five touchdowns, And like you said, they were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three and they were a game away from
Speaker 1: winning the or going to the Super Bowl for so
Speaker 1: for them to pick up a guy who's not going
Speaker 1: to see the field, in my opinion, for the one
Speaker 1: or for the first two years at least, I mean
Speaker 1: that that just doesn't make sense. I feel like they
Speaker 1: should have added a piece that can help them get
Speaker 1: to that next level, like a receiver, maybe another tight
Speaker 1: end of some source. But for them to not even
Speaker 1: you know, focus on that for the first round, and
Speaker 1: then if we look back throughout his whole NFL career,
Speaker 1: I think I don't even know if they've chosen a
Speaker 1: skill position, especially receiver in the first round at Green
Speaker 1: Base since he's been there, and if you look at
Speaker 1: the numbers, he's only thrown one touchdown to one first
Speaker 1: round receiver, So for him, I think it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm him, I'm kind of upset about this because
Speaker 1: they're not giving me pieces to further my you know,
Speaker 1: further my career in Green Band get a win, so
Speaker 1: they're already looking for my replacement. I'm pissed, But we'll
Speaker 1: see if cooler heads prevailed. Fellas. I look at Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning and what Bill Polian did and how he positioned him.
Speaker 1: So when Peyton Manning got to the Colts, they had
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, So Marvin Harrison the first round pick. They
Speaker 1: drafted Reggie Wayne, first round pick at wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: drafted Anthony Gonzalez, first round pick at wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: drafted Dallas Clark out of Iowa, tied in first round receiver.
Speaker 1: They drafted Edrin James, first round running back. They drafted
Speaker 1: Donald Brown, first round running back. They drafted another kid
Speaker 1: that lsu who was a first round running back. And
Speaker 1: I just sit there at all this talent. They kept
Speaker 1: making sure Peyton Manning had weapons. And to see what
Speaker 1: has happened for Aaron Rodgers, I shake my head. Now, look,
Speaker 1: Peyton is gonna go in the Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: I believe Anon Rodgers has a Hall of Fame resume.
Speaker 1: But fell you see how much it does matter when
Speaker 1: your organization tries to build around a guy just say
Speaker 1: here more pieces. And I just feel Aaron Rodgers had
Speaker 1: had a disservice done to him, by the way what
Speaker 1: Green Bay just did in this past trap. And when
Speaker 1: you start looking at how many pieces they actually try
Speaker 1: to put around this guy, Danny take that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was. It was more glaring last season when
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams went out that you don't have enough on offense.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham was supposed to be the guy who could
Speaker 1: pick up a little bit. They don't have him anymore.
Speaker 1: He really didn't produce. But without Davante Adams, you were
Speaker 1: putting it in these guys there, Aaron Rodgers probably didn't
Speaker 1: even know their name. So like, if it's anything throughout
Speaker 1: the season where you're looking you say, hey, man, for
Speaker 1: the next season, we got to make sure that we
Speaker 1: have a guy that can compliment Davante Adams, then this
Speaker 1: is what we need to do. And you watch the
Speaker 1: whole season last year, he goes out with the toe injury.
Speaker 1: They can't get anything going on offense except Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: out there scoring crazy touchdowns which was saving them, and
Speaker 1: then playing some okay defense. And you get into the
Speaker 1: draft this year and you forget about that, Like like,
Speaker 1: I remember that, I'm not I'm not even a fan
Speaker 1: of the Packers. I remember how bad they looked without
Speaker 1: their number one receiver. And the coaching staff looks at
Speaker 1: this in the first round and goes, oh, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: be fine. We'll be fine, So let's try something else
Speaker 1: doesn't makes sense to me at all. I would never
Speaker 1: understand it. I am perplexed. Yeah, it makes no sense
Speaker 1: at all. Man. I mean you got if when the
Speaker 1: Vance Adams went down, I mean you got you got
Speaker 1: guys that turned into number one receivers, Like I think
Speaker 1: his name was Alan Lazard and he was on the
Speaker 1: practice pat in Jacksonville when I was down there, and
Speaker 1: he turned him into a number one receiver. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just remarkable the lack of lack of talent they
Speaker 1: had at the receiver and he was still putting up,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, good numbers. So it's just remarkable that
Speaker 1: they didn't get anybody to help him out this offseason.
Speaker 1: And I think the writings on the wall that he
Speaker 1: won't be there much longer. But I think the fault
Speaker 1: here is at Green Bay and they just they're messing
Speaker 1: up a Hall of Fame guy right now. And I'll
Speaker 1: take this back to the Cowboys, and I'm fellas, I'll
Speaker 1: take this back to the Cowboys. If you're Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: you've got to be very happy with what this team
Speaker 1: has done. I mean, you go into an eleven personnel
Speaker 1: where you got one tight end one running back and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy Rann eleven personnel eighty percent of his time
Speaker 1: with the Greenbay Packers. So you're talking about putting out
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, I mean at Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper, Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the big boy they resigned Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin over the tight end spot in EZEKIELI. If you're
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott right now and that offensive line in front
Speaker 1: of you, you got to feel real good. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, get your contract done because you know,
Speaker 1: and I can see why Dak would want four years
Speaker 1: because with that get up here. In four years you
Speaker 1: should be able to put up some fantastic numbers here
Speaker 1: and get back out on the market. But if I'm Dak,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about what the Cowboys had put around
Speaker 1: me as a quarterback. Neuis is it possible that they
Speaker 1: are going to make Dak played out to see if
Speaker 1: he can put up all pro numbers this season with
Speaker 1: the talent he has a around him before they play
Speaker 1: him a long term deal. No, Because, and go back
Speaker 1: to what's been reported and some of the people who've
Speaker 1: been reporting this, I trust they've agreed to a number,
Speaker 1: it's now years. So this is Dak wants a four
Speaker 1: year deal. The Cowboys are like a five to six
Speaker 1: year deal. So this isn't so much about money now,
Speaker 1: this is about the number of years. And from Dak's perspective,
Speaker 1: he wants a short four year deal because that's what
Speaker 1: we saw guys like Golf sign and went signed, and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson signed a four year deal and got himself
Speaker 1: back out on the market quickly. So Dak's twenty six.
Speaker 1: So you signed a four year deal, you get back
Speaker 1: here and you're thirty years old. You're in the prime.
Speaker 1: And now that we see guys who are playing until
Speaker 1: they're forty years old. If you're Dak, you get back
Speaker 1: out on the market with basically ten years left of
Speaker 1: your career. So I see what Dak's trying to do.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I see, if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? You want to get
Speaker 1: a long term deal. Look at that long term deal
Speaker 1: they got done with Tyrant Smith. I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are reaping the benefits of that. Tyrant got security. But
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, from their perspective, Man, they were able to
Speaker 1: really get get him locked in and he's still in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think about Tyrant, I think he's an
Speaker 1: underpaid paid tackle. So this is a this is business man,
Speaker 1: and I get it. We'll see as they get closer
Speaker 1: to July fifteenth, who decides to blink first? If somebody
Speaker 1: blinks first. I just think it's a possibility he plays
Speaker 1: on that tag this year, especially with everything that the
Speaker 1: High is playing out, with the pandemic and no offseason
Speaker 1: and no OTAs and possibility a shortened training camp, it's
Speaker 1: becoming more of a possibility in my mind than it
Speaker 1: was before we started going through all of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta agree with you, d Mac. I think it's
Speaker 1: more of a possibility that he plays under this tag.
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, go ahead, No no, no, no, finish up,
Speaker 1: very fish up, fish finisher. I was saying that. I
Speaker 1: just think it's more of a possibility. I just think
Speaker 1: it's more of a possibility. I mean, you got a
Speaker 1: guy who he's being a new coaching staff that's coming in.
Speaker 1: They want to see if he's that if he's that
Speaker 1: good under their new scheme, and before they give him
Speaker 1: over one hundred and twenty million guaranteed. So I can
Speaker 1: see him playing another the tag, but well he missed games.
Speaker 1: That's another question. So I don't know. We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens and Fellas. I go back to what I said
Speaker 1: before about Dak Prescott and even more I believe it's
Speaker 1: even more so now once I saw what happened with CD.
Speaker 1: There's not another situation he can go to right now
Speaker 1: that's better and built around him, better than what he's
Speaker 1: got with the Cowboys. He grew up a Cowboy fan.
Speaker 1: This is a guy making more money right now off
Speaker 1: the field than he's made audit for his rookie contract.
Speaker 1: You don't let that go. You don't. You don't mess
Speaker 1: that up. They will get a I feel that they
Speaker 1: will get a long term deal done. I'm not as
Speaker 1: confident that I'm going bet Danny another dinner because I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to go back to that particulars.
Speaker 1: But I'm real confident and I'm real confident that this
Speaker 1: thing is gonna get done before July fifteenth, and Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones was on record already again being asked in the draft.
Speaker 1: He goes back to what we spoke about here on
Speaker 1: the show before. The Joneses have always gotten their man
Speaker 1: they want, they want him to be their guy. They'll
Speaker 1: get it done. So it's just a matter of whether
Speaker 1: the Jokes are going to cave in the four year
Speaker 1: deal or whether they stay on their heels and try
Speaker 1: and get a five or six year deal for Dak Prescot.
Speaker 1: I feel very confident about that. We got to take
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Speaker 1: please lads on a Friday. Barry Church Danny mccraig, former
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys DVS. I'm newly scrubs a long time before
Speaker 1: covering the team. Now, look, fellas, I don't watch the
Speaker 1: ESPN shows in the morning, and most of what I
Speaker 1: get is on my Twitter feed and when when people
Speaker 1: send me clips and things that they say, so so,
Speaker 1: ESPN is now wondering are the Cowboys the favorites in
Speaker 1: the NFC? And I'm just sitting there myself saying, really,
Speaker 1: are we going here already? Because it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: in my opinion to start wondering, Hey, or the cow
Speaker 1: was gonna win the NFC. We got a new coaching
Speaker 1: staff that's got to implement stuff. And part of me
Speaker 1: really does wonder do they just throw this stuff out
Speaker 1: there just to try and and and tick people off,
Speaker 1: because I just think it's I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: forget what the San Francisco forty nine ers just did.
Speaker 1: If there's anybody that's a favorite in the NFC, it
Speaker 1: should be the forty nine. Is what they did in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They almost won the thing. If Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo could throw a touchdown past he Manuel Sanders, who
Speaker 1: we miss, they ain't crazy, take that. Yeah, Listen, we
Speaker 1: all know that the Cowboys are the number one topic
Speaker 1: for any sports show to talk about, right and especially
Speaker 1: now when there's not much sports going on. They always
Speaker 1: have to come up with some type of scenario that
Speaker 1: will put us at the top to knock us down
Speaker 1: if we don't make it all, put us at the bottom,
Speaker 1: and then it to make us feel good if we do.
Speaker 1: If we do just somehow win the NFC, I will
Speaker 1: say that with the talent that we have on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, that it is a possibility
Speaker 1: that we can overtake the forty nine ers for that crown,
Speaker 1: especially with Jimmy g playing quarterback. We all know how
Speaker 1: I feel about that guy from my fantasy team last year.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's possible, but we shouldn't be getting
Speaker 1: crowned that today, just just based off what we have
Speaker 1: on paper, because history shows that we always have a
Speaker 1: great team on paper, but when we get on the
Speaker 1: field sometimes it just don't pan out how we expect
Speaker 1: it to. Yeah, you're right, a man, like you said,
Speaker 1: history has show, especially like we've seen just last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were crowned the offseason champs. We were
Speaker 1: supposed to go in there and off those first three games,
Speaker 1: we thought, Yo, this team is gonna be unstoppable, maybe
Speaker 1: even undefeated. Boys were already booking their tickets to Miami,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't end up working that way. So, um,
Speaker 1: I think you know, like you said, right now, we
Speaker 1: we kind of won the offseason as they say, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll be able to take over that crowd as
Speaker 1: the as the regular season champ. But we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta put in the work first. We gotta go out
Speaker 1: there and to do what we gotta do first. But
Speaker 1: on paper, this team pretty much seems unstoppable on paper
Speaker 1: as as of today. It's a new regime in the
Speaker 1: builder though, man, so we may be able to expect
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I just I just think we
Speaker 1: should be putting up thirty five to forty points a game,
Speaker 1: hopefully not giving up sixty. We got DVS Now, Man,
Speaker 1: what you knew he's happy with our defensive back rule.
Speaker 1: So what did you guys think of Philadelphia drafted Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts in the seconder. I listen, that was almost one
Speaker 1: of those, um those Aaron Rodgers situations because we know
Speaker 1: how how often Carson Wentz gets hurt. Um, So so
Speaker 1: maybe now you may be looking for the next guy. Man,
Speaker 1: he really hasn't played that will And you know, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, um Nick Foles kind of carried them to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. He was having an MVP season and
Speaker 1: then the next season he came back and he looked average.
Speaker 1: So Jalen Hurts is kind of like that that new
Speaker 1: class you see um Lamar Jackson rolling out there, and
Speaker 1: you see like the new class of quarterbacks to Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and all that, and Jayleen Hurts fits that. So
Speaker 1: we may be seeing the end of the Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: era in the in the next next year or two.
Speaker 1: I think I might have to disagree a little bit. Man,
Speaker 1: I think they didn't get They didn't get that man
Speaker 1: way too much money. So I feel like, if as
Speaker 1: long as he can stay healthy, if the man can
Speaker 1: play through sixteen games, playoffs, if that would have happened,
Speaker 1: I think he has nothing to worry about, even though
Speaker 1: it even if his numbers are pedestrian thing, if he
Speaker 1: can play through sixteen games, I think they're gonna stick
Speaker 1: with him. But like you said, I mean, he is
Speaker 1: kind of injury prone. But if he if he can
Speaker 1: stay healthy, he might be able to capture that form
Speaker 1: he had back and I think twenty and fourteen when
Speaker 1: um they had way or not was at two thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen, two thousand and sixteen, i'm sorry, or seventeen
Speaker 1: I'm sorry when they had went to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and he was he was an MVP candidate. So if
Speaker 1: he can recapture that, for him, I think he has
Speaker 1: nothing to worry about. That's tough. That's tough to recapture
Speaker 1: bear and he didn't have a lot of offensive weapons.
Speaker 1: He did have a lot of offensive weapons. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna see, man, We're gonna see he ain't weapons of
Speaker 1: the I've seen him. The next year, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this ain't the same guy. This is not him. He's
Speaker 1: a little tit of that in that talking nuh, Phillies played.
Speaker 1: Phillies played six playoff games under Doug Peterson since Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz has been there, and Carson Wentz has played a
Speaker 1: total of nine snaps in those six football games. So
Speaker 1: when you think about those numbers, drafted, Jail Hurts ain't
Speaker 1: the craziest thing. If anything, this dude may play. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts may end up being the guy because Carson's been
Speaker 1: hurt every year since his junior year of college. So
Speaker 1: while people consider him, say why do you use the
Speaker 1: second round pick? I think when you start looking at
Speaker 1: the numbers and if they go to you know, when
Speaker 1: the NFL goes to seventeen games, um what not this year,
Speaker 1: but the year after that, you're gonna have to have
Speaker 1: a legitimate backup guy and bury you right, they wasted
Speaker 1: a lot of money on Carsons because guy can stay
Speaker 1: healthy exactly. But let me ask you a question, Nui,
Speaker 1: Danny boff y'all, do we honestly think that Carson or
Speaker 1: not Carson Wentz, but Jalen Hurts can come in and
Speaker 1: be that guy. To me, I'm not sold I think
Speaker 1: he's more of a gimmick guy. But I mean, let's see,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts. I think if you have a
Speaker 1: good defense and you have a running back into receiver
Speaker 1: to run that RPO and zone read, I think Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts can get that done. He's a proven winner. He's
Speaker 1: shown him he's able to pick up new offenses compete
Speaker 1: at the highest level. He did he did at Alabama.
Speaker 1: He also did it at Oklahoma. I think that if
Speaker 1: you get if you put the right tools around him
Speaker 1: and the right the right coaches to help him get
Speaker 1: better at throwing and making those reads, I think he
Speaker 1: can be a starting caliber quarterback. And I think he
Speaker 1: can overtake Carson Wentz if Carson Wentz is not healthy
Speaker 1: or he's having one of those down seasons that we've
Speaker 1: seen him have before. I think a new problem that
Speaker 1: people I think people's problem with Jalen Hurts is a
Speaker 1: perception problem that, Hey, you lost your job at Alabama,
Speaker 1: but who would you lose your job too. You lost
Speaker 1: your job to a tug of Voloa, who is the
Speaker 1: fifth pick in the draft with a bad hip. You
Speaker 1: know two is a special player. So he goes out
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma replaces Kyler Murray, who was the number one
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. Oklahoma still wins to the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve title. They go back to the college football player.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hurts. When you look at this league
Speaker 1: the start for quarterbacks, I think Jalen Hurts can play.
Speaker 1: And I'll give Doug Peterson a lot of credit. I
Speaker 1: believe he'll be able to put a package around Hurts
Speaker 1: which will be able to work. So I think I
Speaker 1: think the young man is going to be able to
Speaker 1: come in here and play. And Lord knows the way
Speaker 1: people died in Lamar Jackson and what he did in
Speaker 1: year two. And look, if wins has hurt one more time,
Speaker 1: Philly may be forced to go ahead and just say, hey, Jayleen,
Speaker 1: to take this thing U. So I think while he's
Speaker 1: they're being criticized today, give Howard Roseman this as a
Speaker 1: general manager. He's built a super Bowl winning team. And
Speaker 1: it's when people doubt that sometimes you look back and said, humh, wow,
Speaker 1: we didn't know. People didn't know what Ozzy Nusen was
Speaker 1: really onto with Lamar Jackson, and look at what he's
Speaker 1: done here. So I believe that guys have to do
Speaker 1: this Hurts had success. I mean when he left the
Speaker 1: field against Clemson, Alabama was in the league. It was
Speaker 1: Alabama's defense with all those first round picks that gave
Speaker 1: it up to Deshaun Watson had lost the natural tempions game.
Speaker 1: That game was not okay. I mean Jalen Hurts he
Speaker 1: did his job that I mean in particular game as
Speaker 1: much as he could. No. Just well, think about the Romo.
Speaker 1: So Romo was here and I believe twenty fifteen he
Speaker 1: breaks his collarbro on twice. All right, the next season,
Speaker 1: they pick up back because Romo is injury prone at
Speaker 1: this point, so they need to have a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: He goes in against Seattle and he messes up his
Speaker 1: back and then that steps in as a service from
Speaker 1: quarterback and now he's a star. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same same situation that they have Jaalen Hurts
Speaker 1: in right now with Carson Wentz bey an injury prone
Speaker 1: and them picking up a guy who can come in
Speaker 1: and maybe do what because you have to have insurance. Me,
Speaker 1: if it's one thing you've seen, you've seen with Carson
Speaker 1: went you have to have some type of insurance. And
Speaker 1: I think Howard Roseman did the right thing, and I
Speaker 1: believe that Jalen Hurts can play in this league based
Speaker 1: on what he did in college and with the speed
Speaker 1: receivers that they decided to put up their Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: think it fits into what Jalen can do. So it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see, guys. It would be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see uh the last dance Parts UH three and
Speaker 1: four were air this past week. Gentlemen, did you see
Speaker 1: my quick three second cameo interviewing Dennis Rodman and when
Speaker 1: you had a hair had a full hair to hair
Speaker 1: Man three sixty waves going, man, I'm gonna have that
Speaker 1: that camel told brush. Well, I that's when you walk
Speaker 1: around the brush of your back pocket. I had. I
Speaker 1: owned three brushes. I had a brush that I kept
Speaker 1: in the car, I had a brush that I kept
Speaker 1: in the office, and I had a brush that I
Speaker 1: kept at home. Yes, yes, so I had hair glasses
Speaker 1: and a fresh nineteen nineties Arizona kind of plattish shirt.
Speaker 1: So yes I made. I'm very happy now this this
Speaker 1: this documentary is a award winning documentaries. I made my
Speaker 1: three second Dennis rod ask your question, ask your question?
Speaker 1: Were you more of a murray of a Murray's Jail
Speaker 1: or you had the Sporting Waves sixty Sporting Waves. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Murray pomade because it made my
Speaker 1: hair gray if you put too much in. It was
Speaker 1: too heavy. So the Sporting Waves was a little bit better.
Speaker 1: So so I was a big Sporting Waves guy. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there's one of the
Speaker 1: big con jobs they've done on black men because them
Speaker 1: things don't work. Okay, I got two last it didn't
Speaker 1: really work. I spent way too much on that product.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, it was it might have been your brustles.
Speaker 1: Did you had a medium? Did you had a medium
Speaker 1: the medium bristles, or did you had the heart brush? No?
Speaker 1: I got rid of the hard brush. My head my
Speaker 1: head sensitive, so I had the nice soft rush. I
Speaker 1: was just telling the old it didn't work. They just said, right.
Speaker 1: They just taking they're just taking brothers money. That's all
Speaker 1: they do. Listeners, the listeners out there, do not use
Speaker 1: when you're young. Do not use the hard brush. You
Speaker 1: see what happens when you use the hard brush. Brush
Speaker 1: church Hall, right off, right off the scale, right off
Speaker 1: the scale. Do not use the hard brush when you're young.
Speaker 1: Just putting it out there, so I grow some dress.
Speaker 1: I gotta get. No. I ain't gonn grow no dress.
Speaker 1: I gotta get you guys, did you did you have
Speaker 1: sympathy for Isaiah thomas In in the last day and
Speaker 1: today with this na I didn't have any sympathy for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, my guy, I was kicking Michael Jordan's but
Speaker 1: three years straight before they finally took him down. In
Speaker 1: those three years, every time Michael Jordan went up there
Speaker 1: and shook his hand and and UH displayed good sportsmanship.
Speaker 1: So for Isaiah sit there and say, no, we didn't
Speaker 1: do that back in the day. It wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: Everybody did that when they lost. I think that was
Speaker 1: complete boll and. I don't have any sympathy for him, man. Yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: some people you just can't cross like that. Man, You
Speaker 1: gotta know who you're dealing with. Some people hold grudges
Speaker 1: and that grudge has been hell for a long time,
Speaker 1: and you just gotta take that ill you you wanted
Speaker 1: to go out there and be disrespectful. You were going
Speaker 1: to shake the hand, and somebody came and told you
Speaker 1: we ain't shaking their hands, so you automatically knew it
Speaker 1: was wrong. Because you were going to do the right
Speaker 1: thing and you let somebody come over and change your mind.
Speaker 1: So with that, you gotta take what George's giving. I
Speaker 1: found this to be four four episodes, great TV. That
Speaker 1: was good, Fellas, So so fellas. I'm sitting around here
Speaker 1: waiting on when I get to find out who jug
Speaker 1: Buschler is. A lot of people, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know who jug Buschler is. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to see that in the coming episode. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even know I'm gonna find out. Listen, how about how
Speaker 1: about Dennis Robin taking the vacation in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season, going to the Great six City. Who gets
Speaker 1: away with that? That's what I'm saying, Like, who said,
Speaker 1: you know what, coach, I didn't put this work in
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and go gamble a little bit and hang out. I'll
Speaker 1: be back in the curain. What give me two days?
Speaker 1: And then you don't even come back. They got to
Speaker 1: fly the way out in Vegas and get you. How
Speaker 1: was he able to finish the season? Like, I just
Speaker 1: don't understand it. Some people built different, man, some people
Speaker 1: built different This is true. Oh, oh yeah, knew it.
Speaker 1: Check this out. So it's a it's a TV show
Speaker 1: called The Scheme and it's it kind of you saw it, Church,
Speaker 1: You gotta watch this, man. It follows the the FBI
Speaker 1: trying to trying to figure out how these college coaches
Speaker 1: are getting paid and how the how like how the
Speaker 1: money flows between players getting paid to come to certain
Speaker 1: schools and go to certain agencies. And it's this whole
Speaker 1: FBI task force that that that set this thing up.
Speaker 1: And it's I think it's like two hours long, but
Speaker 1: it's it's very it's good, bro. You gotta check it out.
Speaker 1: Checking s check it out the sting. All right, Church,
Speaker 1: you're gonna find out how dirty LSU basketball is when
Speaker 1: you watch this spot the way I'm LGU football guy
Speaker 1: and listen. They only they only listen. That was only
Speaker 1: the most recent LSU basketball coach, not the ones in
Speaker 1: the past. He's a new breed. They didn't pay. They
Speaker 1: didn't pay on new to go back then. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I was a young I was a young man.
Speaker 1: I was a young man. I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know a dollar from a dime at that point. Well,
Speaker 1: Shack actually had a relationship with Dale Brown when he
Speaker 1: was his dad was stationed in Germany, and that relationship
Speaker 1: ended up continuing, and that was one reason why he
Speaker 1: chose LSU over beloving Tar heels Um. So that was
Speaker 1: how that relationship was form. But Will Wade is down
Speaker 1: there making quote unquote strong blank offers to that in there,
Speaker 1: so you know he gonna find a reason I hate
Speaker 1: on LGU. I don't know why I'm not hate. That's
Speaker 1: the FBI who sat around there uncovered it. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what I found amazing is
Speaker 1: that the head coaches all stayed clean and the people
Speaker 1: who had charges brought against them and got fired were
Speaker 1: the assistants. Now who none of these assistants or they
Speaker 1: have the juice to do all this stuff without the
Speaker 1: head coaches knowledge. I mean, we all know these college
Speaker 1: coaches are type A personalities. And to think that these
Speaker 1: guys were just running around here giving away one hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars and the head coach didn't know anything,
Speaker 1: because the head coach is down there in the basement
Speaker 1: watching field is beyond laughable. To me. Well, y'all, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna bring up the ethnicity and these guys. But
Speaker 1: like the dudes that with the jail, they all they
Speaker 1: all look the same except one of the Didas guy.
Speaker 1: So you you'll see it when you watch it. I
Speaker 1: have to check it out. Yes, it looks, it looks.
Speaker 1: It's just reminds you where the judicial system is in it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: very much so, Danny. That's that's been an hour. All right,
Speaker 1: we fly by on this show. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody who checked this out here, Danny, Barry fellas,
Speaker 1: have a fantastic weekend, and we'll get back together on
Speaker 1: Friday for another edition up the Players Lounge. I'm knew
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