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Speaker 1: Welcome to another installment of the Jet Pennyson Podcast. Erik

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Speaker 1: Ellen here with CP. Well, Chad, I really thought when

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Speaker 1: we spoke last week, when we were going to talk

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Speaker 1: again this week, it was going to be a playoff preview,

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately the Jets, who had a tremendous season with

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Speaker 1: ten wins, just couldn't get it done in Buffalo in

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Speaker 1: a win in their in scenario, What would you tell

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Speaker 1: a Jet fan right now? Well, there's not much that

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Speaker 1: I could say to Jeff Amicles. I know the response.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be the same old Jets. I've been

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Speaker 1: through this for my whole life, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of years, Chad. Don't paint a pretty picture those types

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Speaker 1: of things. I will say that, Um, you have to

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Speaker 1: be proud of your team for bouncing back from my

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Speaker 1: four and twelve season and come in out at ten

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Speaker 1: and six. Um. I've seen teams do that and not

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Typically ten and six get you in, UM,

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Speaker 1: and it would have. If you were sitting there as

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Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh deeler, you would be getting in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: at ten and six. But you're not. And so the

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Speaker 1: most frustrating part is that your team had a chance

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Speaker 1: to control its own destiny, and it didn't. And when

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Speaker 1: that happens, that can be most frustrating for fans, for coaches,

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Speaker 1: for players. I think that's why you saw the emotion

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Speaker 1: of the players after the game, and they truly took

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Speaker 1: this loss to heart, and knowing that the game was

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Speaker 1: anyone or any team to get them into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and that's what's most frustrating, all right, before we go

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Speaker 1: into a little analysis on that ball game and then

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Speaker 1: we look ahead and talk about things on a whole

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Speaker 1: love on a macro level. Two thousand and fifteen, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned it here early on Same Old Jets. How disgusted

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Speaker 1: did you hear that when you were a player, and

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Speaker 1: even now as you're still connected with the organization, how

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Speaker 1: much do you not like that line? Because I was

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Speaker 1: I was actually battling a couple of folks on Twitter

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Speaker 1: on Sunday night, and I think sometimes people get irrational

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Speaker 1: and they forget about what has happened with this organization,

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Speaker 1: especially since Woody Johnson took over. Well, as a player,

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Speaker 1: it's frustrating because you have nothing to do with previous

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Speaker 1: seasons or years where you weren't part of the organization.

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Speaker 1: And so for the eight years that I was there,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the grand scheme of things, that's

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Speaker 1: not a bad average, knowing that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: players that I played with in this league that never

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Speaker 1: even the playoffs and we had a chance to play

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Speaker 1: like to hear that. I don't like to hear that

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Speaker 1: now and I don't even play for the jest because

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Speaker 1: it it UH ties you too some of that history

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Speaker 1: that you weren't responsible for UM, and so it can

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Speaker 1: be frustrating. UM. But what you have to focus on

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Speaker 1: is a player, is uh the good things that you

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Speaker 1: did as a team as a player of what you

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Speaker 1: need to improve on. Knowing that the nucleus is there,

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Speaker 1: the corps is there, UM to make another run and

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Speaker 1: to be competitive and have a chance to win a

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Speaker 1: championship next year, obviously there has to be some pieces

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Speaker 1: that have to be signed and added, and more than

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Speaker 1: ever teams, it is a year to year thing with

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Speaker 1: these teams UM, because of all of the turnover and

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Speaker 1: transition by players throughout the league. So what you've done

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Speaker 1: in the past doesn't really matter. They have to retool,

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Speaker 1: ready for the two thason. Yeah, I think some people's

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Speaker 1: narrative that this organization is cursed as at times laughable

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Speaker 1: considering what has this organization done over the course of

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Speaker 1: the past year. Todd Bowles, Mike mccagne came in, took

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Speaker 1: where four win football team. Mike mccagnell made a number

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Speaker 1: of moves in the off season and then Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: these pieces together and this team won ten games and

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Speaker 1: nobody after that ballgame, as you know, Chad was celebrating

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we want ten games this year. Brandon

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Speaker 1: Marshall was stunned, sat there, looked at the media on

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Speaker 1: Sunday night and said, no moral victories in this league.

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles said, we are he to compete for a

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Speaker 1: We grew this year, but ultimately we did not get

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Speaker 1: And so when you when you look at that's why

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Speaker 1: because you're so close, UM. But we know close doesn't

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Speaker 1: including ourselves, probably expected this team to have a chance

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Speaker 1: to win eleven games, UM. When it all boils down

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Speaker 1: to it, not only ten wins, but really eleven games

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Speaker 1: right there that they could have easily been eleven and five,

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Speaker 1: that that could happen. I think that most people were

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Speaker 1: looking at seven and nine in the nine and seven

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Speaker 1: you have to be proud of the fact that this

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Speaker 1: I think we need to regroup as fans of of

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Speaker 1: as a fan, if your team is competing at a

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Speaker 1: about that, you really do. Now, if you're if your

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Speaker 1: making any improvement, not doing those things, then you certainly

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Speaker 1: have a reason to be frustrated. But if your team

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Speaker 1: to feel good about that, and you need to support

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Speaker 1: the team in that because there's only one team that

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Speaker 1: and so you have to realize how hard and how

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Speaker 1: difficult it is to win that Lombardi Trophy. Yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: thirty one and thirty two teams will not get it

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Speaker 1: So the Jets right now obviously not satisfied proud of

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Speaker 1: their growth, and they should be. When you look back

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Speaker 1: at the Buffalo game, what stands out to you why

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Speaker 1: the Bills were able to overcome a Jets team who

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Speaker 1: needed that victory to secure their spot in the postseason. Well,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things stand out. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was just because the Jets

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that can make you tight knowing that you you

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Speaker 1: So I I saw that and felt that in the

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Speaker 1: were times where typically the Jets football team plays good,

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Speaker 1: For instance, when the Jets caused the fumble uh, there

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Speaker 1: that's a type of complimentary football that doesn't necessarily show

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Speaker 1: Where a team has twenty attempts on third down, they

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Speaker 1: and that led to a thirty nine minute time of

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Speaker 1: they didn't have very many opportunities, but the opportunities that

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Speaker 1: type of complimentary football that we're talking about. I've played

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Speaker 1: sometimes time of possession can be overrated. Obviously, most of

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Speaker 1: They had that the extra effort plays, they had, the

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Speaker 1: It's nineteen to seventeen. Jets have the ball and they're driving.

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Speaker 1: it's a playoff style atmosphere, a hard place to play

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Speaker 1: in the vision rival you have the ball and and

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Speaker 1: so I felt really good for the Jets moving into

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And then be I thought the two series,

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Speaker 1: you you look at your situation. When you look at

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Speaker 1: the Jets situation, there in a perfect scenario. I think

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Speaker 1: that the organization needs to understand what they have in

435
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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, the stability that he brought to the organization

436
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Speaker 1: in a time during training camp that the situation could

437
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Speaker 1: have went completely south. But also think Ryan has to

438
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Speaker 1: understand the situation that he's in and so to go

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Speaker 1: out and test the market. You know, he can go

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Speaker 1: find more money, probably somewhere else. But I think he

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Speaker 1: really wants to look at and if I were him,

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Speaker 1: I would look at the situation I'm in to be successful.

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Speaker 1: It would be very similar to when I went to

444
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Speaker 1: Miami and Bill Parcels was very upfront with me and said, look,

445
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Speaker 1: we have a young quarterback that we believe can be

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Speaker 1: our future. We want you to come in and hold

447
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Speaker 1: down a ford, teach him, do what you do as

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Speaker 1: a veteran, and let's see what happens. Very upfront with

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Speaker 1: me about that, and I trusted that and it worked out.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's the situation that fits his in.

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna require the true starter money like a

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Speaker 1: man and R Brady, No, but he certainly needs to

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Speaker 1: be compensated for his production and what he's done. And

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Speaker 1: then the other two guys, you know, Smith and Bryce Petty.

455
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Speaker 1: I think that the Jets are in a good situation.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to get rid of either one of

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Speaker 1: them right now. There's still a little bit unknown about Geno.

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Speaker 1: There's certainly more unknown about Bryce. But I think you're

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Speaker 1: in a good situation where you have two young quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that you can continue to take another year to get

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Speaker 1: a fill for and then be able to move on

462
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Speaker 1: and while you still have a Ryan Fitzpatrick there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. I mean, you look at Ryan, He'll

464
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Speaker 1: be moving into his twelfth year and let's say a

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Speaker 1: two to two year to four year window for him.

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Speaker 1: If he can stay healthy. Well, if in those two

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Speaker 1: to four years you can truly find out what Gino

468
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Speaker 1: Smiths all about and try and find out what Bryce

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Speaker 1: Petty's all about, You're in a really really good situation,

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Speaker 1: I think when it comes to the quarterback position. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then also Mohammed Wokerson unfortunately, uh broke his leg there,

472
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Speaker 1: the fibula against the Bills in the second half. He

473
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Speaker 1: had a tremendus season twelve sacks and run stuff for

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Speaker 1: Damon Snacks Harrison. I thought, Uh, it really showed himself

475
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen to be one of the

476
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Speaker 1: most dominant run stuffers in the national football He played

477
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Speaker 1: a tremendous football Chris Ivory rush rush just for over

478
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Speaker 1: a thousand yards. We talked about Paul again today. So, uh,

479
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Speaker 1: the Jets have a number of free agents, um you

480
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Speaker 1: guys who could hit free agency in March, and ultimately

481
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: they have decisions to make. But every team in the

482
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Speaker 1: National Football League under a cap system, UH is forced

483
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Speaker 1: to make some tough decisions and the Jets will have

484
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Speaker 1: to do some tinkering and type Bowl said it, Hey,

485
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: money talks, and also, hey, can you find a landing

486
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Speaker 1: spot for some of these guys in a perfect world,

487
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: Bowl said, you'd love to have everybody back, but that's

488
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Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. And that's

489
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Speaker 1: where the business of the NFL gets in the way

490
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Speaker 1: of true, truly building a program. UH. It's great for

491
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Speaker 1: the players to be able to maximize the earning potential,

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Speaker 1: it makes it very difficult for the organization to continue

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Speaker 1: to build. So as players, I think my advice to

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Speaker 1: players would be to look at the complete big perspective.

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Speaker 1: Don't allow your agent just to talk about dollars. Look

496
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Speaker 1: at a complete big perspective on where you think you

497
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Speaker 1: will be most productive as a pro, um where you

498
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Speaker 1: will be supported as a pro other than just the

499
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Speaker 1: bottom line the dollar figure. Go after Marco Murray, how

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Speaker 1: that worked out for it, And so you have to

501
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Speaker 1: look at that and and and hopefully you know the

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Speaker 1: Jets play and how they're doing things and how Tod

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Speaker 1: Bowlers come in and create a stability and in the

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Speaker 1: season as they had. Hopefully that affects some of the

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Speaker 1: free agent um decision making as far as players can go.

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Speaker 1: But you're probably gonna lose some of those guys and

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Speaker 1: you can't get emotional about it as an organization. You

508
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: certainly can't get emotional about it as a player. You've

509
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Speaker 1: got to make the best decision for the entity. Well,

510
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Speaker 1: you made the best decision, uh decisions last week with

511
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Speaker 1: your college picks. I really thought Oklahoma was gonna be Clemson,

512
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Speaker 1: but no, you were right about two Shawn Watson and

513
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Speaker 1: unstoppable force. The Clemson Tigers took down the Sooners and

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Speaker 1: then Ischigan State really at a tough night against Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And while that defense looks tremendous, how do you see

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Speaker 1: the national championship shaping up? Who is your pick? Can

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Speaker 1: Deshaun wats And do enough against the Crimson Tide or

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Speaker 1: is Nick Saban going to get another national title? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think the key lines um in the trenches. I

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00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: think it lies in the offenses, the offensive and defensive

521
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: lines of both teams. Shack Lawson was not available for Clempson.

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Speaker 1: I would really give a huge, huge edge to Alabama

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Speaker 1: with their offensive line and being able to bulldoze Clemson

524
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Speaker 1: defense with him in the mix. I think that even

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Speaker 1: the scale just a little bit. Also think that the

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Speaker 1: type of system that Clemson runs, with the spread system

527
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Speaker 1: and the type of quarterback they have, that is the

528
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Speaker 1: type of system that has always given Alabama the most problems.

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Speaker 1: It's not your typical pro style systems at all. It's

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Speaker 1: it's your fast paced, spread, no huddle quarterback that can

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Speaker 1: run and throw. That's huge, and so I believe that. Um.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm leaning toward Alabama, but by very slim

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Speaker 1: margin because I think they are just up front, they

534
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Speaker 1: are superior. If they're able to use only four linemen

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Speaker 1: to control that line of scrimmage and keep de Shaun

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Speaker 1: Watson in the pocket and and to and to limit

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Speaker 1: his runs, um, then it certainly bodes well for Alabama.

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Speaker 1: If they're not and he's able to escape and make

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Speaker 1: plays and extend plays and throw the ball down the field, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Crimson could have a big night. Right now, I'm leaning

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Speaker 1: toward Alabama by three. Okay, Yeah, it's it's gonna be

542
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Speaker 1: an interesting game. And then let's get your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the playoffs real quickly. Uh, if you had to make

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Speaker 1: a prediction today, who do you think is gonna represent

545
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Speaker 1: the FC in the NFC when they face off in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Oh goodness. You know. The first game that

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in, um in the wild Card is

548
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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Houston game. I want to see if

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Speaker 1: Kansas City can continue that momentum into the playoffs with

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Speaker 1: their teen game winning streak. That's gonna be interesting to

551
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: see having to go on the road and and play. Um.

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Speaker 1: I look at I think that Peyton Manning. This whole

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Speaker 1: thing about Peyton Manning and Broncos while I don't even

554
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Speaker 1: think it's the discussion that Peyton Manning is healthy. You

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00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: just saw the type of energy and spark that he

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Speaker 1: brought um to the team, and and the type of

557
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Speaker 1: just efficiency that he brought to the team. And it

558
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Speaker 1: wasn't even with his arm he was only five for nine,

559
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Speaker 1: but it was just with in conducting and running the offense.

560
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Speaker 1: And so if he's healthy, um, I think the Broncos

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Speaker 1: have have a great shot to get back to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls he's not healthy, I don't see the Broncos

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Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl, So, uh, so right now,

564
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Speaker 1: it's a healthy Payton Manny, and that's I see the

565
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Speaker 1: Broncos certainly at the front of the pack um in

566
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Speaker 1: the NFC. You know, Carolina has just just played lights out.

567
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Speaker 1: I mean you just look at what they've been able

568
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Speaker 1: to do. They've got a defense that is really really good,

569
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: slides around to the football, and they've got a dynamic

570
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: quarterback that has now become a quarterback and not just

571
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Speaker 1: a good football player. And there's a difference. You can

572
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: have quarterbacks that are just give football players, but they're

573
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Speaker 1: not really good quarterbacks. And Cam Newton has come to

574
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Speaker 1: the forefront as a good quarterback by making good throws,

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Speaker 1: good decisions, making plays with his arms, and we've always

576
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Speaker 1: known what he uh can do with his legs. I

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Speaker 1: think if if you can have Arizona Carolina and that

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00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: NFC championship game, you're going to have a wale of

579
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Speaker 1: a game. Because Carson Palmer has been outstanding, Bruce Arians

580
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and that Cardinals team has been outstanding as well. That

581
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: would be a really great matchup to watch. What do

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Speaker 1: you give the nod to Carre Arolina at home? And

583
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: how about Seattle? This that's a team with a lot

584
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: of championship medal, you know that, and they seem to

585
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: be rounding into form. I know Arizona didn't have a

586
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: ton to play for, but anytime you go on the

587
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: road and smack a team around like the Seahawks did

588
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: last Sunday, you know that's got to catch your eye. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: any of the underdogs in the NFC, I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go Seattle. I think they go to Minnesota and

591
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: beating Minsota, uh, and then they'll be answesting to see

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00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: the matchup between them and Carolina. Carolina did go to

593
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Seattle and beat Seattle in Seattle this year, and so

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00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: that would be a rematch, but it would be in

595
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Carolina because with Seattle being the six seed, they would

596
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: have to go play Carolina into the Arizona So they

597
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: would be the quiet underdog if there is such a thing,

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Speaker 1: knowing how good they've been over the years, but as

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Speaker 1: a six seed, they would be the underdog team to

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Speaker 1: make it to the super Bowl. All right, So we're

601
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Speaker 1: gonna pencil you in right now, Chad Pennington's super Bowl

602
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: favorite Denver in a slight leaning to Carolina slide. But

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I'm you know. I'm I've

604
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: been a fan of Bruce Aaron's ever since. Uh, he's

605
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: taking that job and just talking with players that have

606
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: played for him, and and looking at what he did

607
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis with that tough situation with Chuck Pogano, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with my heart and I'm gonna say Arizona

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Speaker 1: in the super Bowl against Denver. Okay, Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: circle back within a couple of weeks with heart overhead,

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00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: heard overhead. A lot of times it doesn't work out. Well.

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Speaker 1: We've enjoyed the two thousand and fifteen season with you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: and uh we are going to circle back here in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Absolutely. Thanks Eric, Thanks