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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants

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Speaker 2: were Squeeze one more In. Before the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, we dragged Phil Simms out of the Giants

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Speaker 2: Power Breakfast and he's coming over here to talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the quarterbacks in the draft of us.

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Speaker 1: Feel good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Man, How good good to see you. We've had a

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Speaker 3: nice conversation before we came on the air, so uh,

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Speaker 3: don't don't mess it up.

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Speaker 1: No, I won't.

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Speaker 2: We were talking a lot of detail of quarterback mechanics,

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure people will love that, but we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Surface level stuff here. Yeah, we won't talk about the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks with you.

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Speaker 2: First thing, I'll ask you in your mind, speaking generically,

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Speaker 2: are any of the quarterbacks in this class to you

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Speaker 2: worth the third overall pick in most NFL drafts?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I think that there are a few people

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Speaker 3: that are hanging on to that with their dear life,

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Speaker 3: because is this what we did back in January or whatever?

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Speaker 3: So I just want to say to them, let it go.

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Speaker 3: You know, I watched a lot, know a lot of quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: studied him for many years, study the guys when I

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Speaker 3: was playing, and you know, overall, no, I don't even

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Speaker 3: have to think about it. There's not one that's the

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Speaker 3: third pick of the draft.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna ignore cam Ward because all the

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Speaker 2: tea leaves seem to be indicating he's gonady off the board.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about him, Yeah, just a little. Sure,

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Speaker 3: he's the first. Here's what I say. The Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 3: get a new general manager, he talks about the team

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Speaker 3: and done. He does say anything about the quarterback because

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Speaker 3: they had Will Levis and you know whatever. Then he

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Speaker 3: studies it. Then he starts studying cam Woard and he goes, damn,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we were thinking about a quarterback. But

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Speaker 3: he's really good. And I'll say this about cam Ward.

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Speaker 3: I think he's terrific, really deserves to be the first

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Speaker 3: pick of the draft, and I think he has a

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Speaker 3: chance to be absolutely outstanding, great thrower of the football, passer,

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Speaker 3: big strong, can break tackles when he runs, more mobile

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Speaker 3: than people think. And the great thing too, is he

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Speaker 3: doesn't need a lot of space to throw rockets. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and rip it. And I once I studied him, I went, Damn,

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Speaker 3: he's a lot better than I thought. And here's the

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Speaker 3: other thing. He can play it any way you want.

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Speaker 3: You want to have a shootout, he's a gunslinger. If

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Speaker 3: he's got to manage the game as the quarterback and

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Speaker 3: keep it tight and not make mistakes and all that,

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Speaker 3: he does that too. So that that's what really endeared

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Speaker 3: me to him as I as I studied him.

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Speaker 2: So that would be the one guy that you would

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I can say if I had, if I

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the next group of guys.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just gonna throw names, and you can go

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Speaker 2: Sanders Shador.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of qualities about him. I

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Speaker 3: guess the first off, I'm gonna pick up for him.

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Speaker 3: People say this, well he's not that big, Well, damn,

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Speaker 3: how big do we want him?

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Speaker 2: To be.

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Speaker 3: When I see him on the field, he looks damn

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Speaker 3: big to me. He's got big legs, big old rear

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Speaker 3: d he's tall, he's got long he's this thick. He's

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Speaker 3: And that's why I like to say it pop pop,

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Speaker 2: Well, I've always go back to Djuw Brees, not in

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Speaker 2: the league anymore, but that's the guy I always go to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just very few. Most guys have a different

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Speaker 3: Shadura has a lot of good qualities. Took too many

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Speaker 3: what's that mean? You scrambled? You're out there, you're looking

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Speaker 3: And you know, so there's a there's a few misleading

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Speaker 3: things about him, but I do like the person, the

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Speaker 3: energy that comes out of him. You know, there's many

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Speaker 3: ways to play quarterback. High energy, tough guy, quiet guy,

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Speaker 3: whatever his is high energy and that's pretty good for

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Speaker 2: So this will apply to Shador And I think one

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Speaker 2: of the guys we're going to talk about in Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: When you're looking at college quarterbacks, phil and they play

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Speaker 2: in a largely what I would call a college system,

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're getting right in my wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: And I think even though Pat Shrummer was O see

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Speaker 2: that Colorado offense is not an NFL West Coast offense,

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Speaker 2: But Jackson Dart at all missed that.

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Speaker 1: Was not an NFL time. I was. I'm very very

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Speaker 3: That very surprised. I'm just judging the guy. I'm not

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Speaker 2: But those you have to figure out how they're reading

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Speaker 3: Are they doing what they've been taught? So that's how

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Speaker 3: I look at it. Shadur, Yes, it was a really

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Speaker 3: interesting offense. Okay, if you have a bad offensive line,

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Speaker 3: why are we always in spread?

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Speaker 3: And you know, of course the number seventy four percent completion,

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Speaker 3: And you know, so it's a little a little bit

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Speaker 3: I don't care. How's he reading the play? Is he

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Speaker 3: Dart I hear this, Oh, it's not a pro offense. It'sist. Man.

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Speaker 3: I wrote in my notes many times. Man, it's a

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Speaker 3: great offense for a college kid. Okay, I didn't see

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, just looking at Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 3: I've said this this week a lot. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: No, But it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't have to be. We've seen many guys do it

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Speaker 3: His mobility is an issue that it will be a

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Speaker 1: A problem for defenses, not fir. Yeah, a problem for defenses.

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Speaker 3: And you know, like I said, the motion, the positions

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Speaker 2: How quickly do you think he could get on the

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll take long. You know, he's got

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Speaker 2: He comes from that Brom offense at Louisville, which I

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Speaker 1: That's what it is, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: a lot of people like him, they should. Lewis Riddick

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Speaker 1: They get him ready to go, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: But what do you see from him and do you

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Speaker 2: to be a guy that could be a pocket passion

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Speaker 1: play for him. Is he so fast? No, he is.

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Speaker 3: He's strong, fast, big, He's got all that going for him.

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Speaker 3: And that's great. But that's it's gonna be. Hey, it

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson came into the league. He could really throw

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Speaker 3: my gosh, he's so much faster and quicker. And I'm

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Speaker 3: from Louisville. I followed Louisville. Bobby Patrino was his coach,

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about amuliar team.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

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Speaker 2: All right, final question on the quarterbacks, and then I

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Speaker 3: I'm fine, don't brush me.

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Speaker 1: No, you get to where you gotta go out time

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Speaker 1: you all right? All right?

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Speaker 2: When you look at a quarterback film, what are maybe

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Speaker 3: Are there two physical traits that you can really count on?

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Speaker 3: Accurate throw in the football? All those things? And I

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Speaker 1: You got to do that.

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Speaker 3: And if you can't make consistently Jalen Milrow would fit

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Speaker 3: a power throw down the field, somewhere in between defenders

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Speaker 3: it comes in so many forms the quarterbacks now that

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Speaker 3: it's like golf. We see a golfer. You know he's

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Speaker 3: really throw it. Come to the Giants, Okay, we got

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Speaker 3: the two, we know they designed. What's Tommy DeVito throw

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Speaker 3: Because he can Tommy DeVito. Of course he's a jersey

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Speaker 3: guide all that, but he is an excellent thrower of

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Speaker 2: All right, final question, Based on what you know about

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, draft the guy. Whatever, You're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: I would expect, you know, I hate to do all

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Speaker 2: So I like to hear Sel say tomorrow night. So

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Speaker 2: you're thinking, may be a trade up for one of

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Speaker 3: Just well, if I had to guess. I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 1: I'm frust me.

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Speaker 3: The Giants are going to have to move up in

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, I don't think there's any way

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Speaker 3: and we know all the teams that need one, and

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Speaker 1: Phil Simmson the Giants.

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