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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there.

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Speaker 1: And my hair is now a fourth character. Laughed at

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Speaker 1: my hair. Everybody, Well, if my beard can be the

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Speaker 1: fourth character, your hair could be the fifth. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we need Actually, Jerry's got great hair. She does have

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Speaker 1: nice hair, stylish salt and pepper, Amy Goodman level tasteful

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Speaker 1: salt and pepper. I'm not sure what that means, Amy

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Speaker 1: Goodman from Democracy Now, it's very tasteful salt and pepper hair.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the thing. It is clearly between Jerry and

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Speaker 1: Amy Goodman. It's the thing that beats shoe polish black. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, like trickling down your forehead. Yeah, but what

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Speaker 1: makes you happy? You know? Well, sure, if you don't,

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Speaker 1: you dudes. Uh So, I was just discussing before we

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Speaker 1: record it. I said, it's going to be hard to

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Speaker 1: record a show on snake handling, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the religious aspect of it without sort of like I

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Speaker 1: fear for their safety. And I want to say you

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Speaker 1: people are crazy. A lot of people do, but um,

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Speaker 1: we have a long standing tradition of like to each

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Speaker 1: their own. I just you know, I hate seeing people

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Speaker 1: die from doing something completely preventable. Yeah, you definitely do.

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Speaker 1: But handling rattlesnakes and kissing them on the face. From

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Speaker 1: from what I've seen of this or from what I've researched,

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Speaker 1: I've not actually seen somebody handle snakes in person. Um,

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Speaker 1: but from what I've researched, the people who handle snakes

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Speaker 1: are doing it through total and complete faith. And uh,

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Speaker 1: there's even if you did judge them, I think it

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Speaker 1: kind of rolls off their back quite a bit. So

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Speaker 1: it's not so much judgment. It's just like, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is what is it my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and I'm judging your opinion. Oh that's what you meant

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Speaker 1: by its judgment? No, Okay, now it's not judgment. I

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Speaker 1: just I hate see people get hurt, Nina, uh and die.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen somebody handle snakes? You had a

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Speaker 1: religious upbringing, Well, yeah, this is rare though. This is Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is Appalachian foothills stuffy, I know, but I mean

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Speaker 1: like Atlanta. We're in Georgia. I didn't know if you

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Speaker 1: ever took like a field trip or something like there.

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Speaker 1: You know that's you have no idea how church works

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Speaker 1: that there are a lot of field trips. No, I

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Speaker 1: got you. In fact, you don't go to other churches.

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Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that. Oh really, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: stay at your own church. You don't go and field

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, we had a field day right,

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Speaker 1: all the churches in the county. No, I suppose other

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Speaker 1: with other churches. But that wasn't my experience. Typically frowned

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Speaker 1: Although we would go to the big youth conferences, all

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Speaker 1: fight their hormonal urges, going you believe what? So, No,

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Speaker 1: I've never done it. I didn't ask if you've done it,

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Speaker 1: near it. Okay, although I I have a strange feeling, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: living in Georgia all these years without knowing it. Because yeah,

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Speaker 1: people who handle snakes um religious. It's actually called um

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Speaker 1: holiness serpent handling. Is that correct? Uh? Yeah, they say

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Speaker 1: But of course there was a TV show which really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're clearly not media show if

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Speaker 1: you're doing a reality show. No, it's it was called

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Speaker 1: Snake Salvation and sorry not two fourteen, but two thirteen

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Speaker 1: it was on nat g O and it was all

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Speaker 1: year from a rattlesnake bite after it went off the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was only on for one season. But his name

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Speaker 1: was Pasty pastor Jamie Coots, and he and another guy

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Speaker 1: UM named I believe Steven Amblen are They are holiness

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Speaker 1: serpent handlers who believe in kind of bringing it out

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're at all interested in that concept,

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Speaker 1: you should read even unto Death. It was in the

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Speaker 1: Chettanooga Free Press. It's a pretty good examination of that

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Speaker 1: whole movement and those guys in particular. I guess we

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Speaker 1: should talk a little bit about other kinds of snake

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Speaker 1: handling first though, Yeah, because when you see snake hangler,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure when people saw this the title of this episode,

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Speaker 1: snake handling. Now like other people handle snakes as well,

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Speaker 1: non religious things. Yeah, they're called herpetologists or some of

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Speaker 1: uh not rumors, but myths on the Snake Show, which

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Speaker 1: come into play when handling snakes, namely that they aren't

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Speaker 1: But people display snakes, well, there's a few different categories

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Speaker 1: more in depth named Bill Host who is like the

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Speaker 1: man when it comes to that boy, let's see yea uh.

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Speaker 1: And then there are um, there are people. There are

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Speaker 1: snake milkers. Of course, there's veterinarians who care for your snakes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which I mean they have to handle snakes. Um. There's

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Speaker 1: also rescuing recovery people who come gets a snake in

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Speaker 1: my basement, right, a guy will show up and um,

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Speaker 1: you'll say how much does it cost to get the

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Speaker 1: you got? I'd like to see your last three bank

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Speaker 1: account statement please. Um. And in those cases they will

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Speaker 1: probably you'll probably see what's called an extension tool. Um.

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Speaker 1: just about anything. The key is extension. You want to

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Speaker 1: to say, as a legal disclaimer, I'm not at all

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Speaker 1: advising anybody to handle a snake. But what I read

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Speaker 1: So if you have a garden tool and a long one,

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Speaker 1: use that. But you also would want to use let's

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Speaker 1: my god, it wasn't big. It was, but it wasn't small.

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Speaker 1: just just like a green snake. Right, So he took

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Speaker 1: just say like a wooden paddle. It might have been

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Speaker 1: the street like pee wee Herman through it in the wood.

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Speaker 1: Didn't throw it. I've laid it down in the woods,

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Speaker 1: was a successful catch and release. It sounds like it

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Speaker 1: you weren't bitten, Yeah, and I don't. I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I didn't hurt the snake. Good. Yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 1: and pick it up like it's just a stick in

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Speaker 1: your yard. It's probably not going to strike you, supposedly

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Speaker 1: according to this website of which I have no affiliation whatsoever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not my story. Please do not take that

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Speaker 1: but it was a blacksmith shop and he was doing

423
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: a demonstration and I guess holding a little uh religious

424
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: service and um he got bitten and refused treatment because

425
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: that's part of the deal is they leave it up

426
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: to you. Like Coots us on an interview with him,

427
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: and he said, if someone gets bitten, I call the paramedics,

428
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: have them come down. And then I say, well, now

429
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: you have a choice. You can either too has God

430
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: commands and refuse treatment and He'll heal you if you

431
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: should be healed, and if it's your time to die,

432
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: it's your time to die. Or you can say i'd

433
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: like treatment please. UM. But in the tradition of you know,

434
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: a true believer, Hensley said no, I don't want treatment.

435
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: And he died the next morning. But he survived a

436
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: bunch of other bites. Like he said, yeah, he says,

437
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: although I lived by the snake, died by the snake

438
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: is probably a pretty good UM motto. Do people think

439
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: that um holding a serpent? Handlers are either worship the

440
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: snakes because they do keep them in in cages on

441
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: the altar during services UM or that they UM they're

442
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: doing this as a as a show of faith to

443
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: basically show, look at how how how much I believe

444
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: in God. Apparently this is definitively not the case that

445
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: when UM holding a serpent, handlers pick up snakes and

446
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: this still goes on. Like there are still churches throughout

447
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: Appalachia apparently from Ohio to Florida, UM, where hundreds, if

448
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: not a few thousand people uh do this go to

449
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: these services. UM when they do it. They don't do

450
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: it at every service necessarily, but when they do do it,

451
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: it's because they believe they have just been commanded by

452
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: God to show their obedience to God by picking up

453
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: a serpent and handling it. And when they do it,

454
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: it's apparently they just enter into um immediate religious ecstasy. Yeah,

455
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: it's like they kind of jump up and down and

456
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: maybe speaking tongues and sort of a trance like state. Uh.

457
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I guess we haven't even really described it. I assume

458
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: most people have seen this at some point. Look up

459
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: a YouTube video. UM, they're not holding the snake by

460
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: the back of the head and they are literally just

461
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: sometimes there are five and six snakes and they're just

462
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: holding them and they're kissing them on the face, they're

463
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: rubbing them on their face. They wear them like crowns.

464
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: They'll throw them over their shoulders. Um, yeah, they're they're.

465
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: The big difference between religious snake handlers and professional snake

466
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: handlers is that religious snake handlers go to zero zero

467
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: degree to establish any kind of safety precautions. Right, that's

468
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: entirely uh an athetical to the point. Yeah, they don't

469
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: have anti venom shots standing by in a medical kit.

470
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: No they don't. That's one. There's a hundred things that

471
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: are different. But sure, I know what you mean. And

472
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: so this whole thing was very popular, um among the

473
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Appalachians for a good twenty thirty years, and then the

474
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: forties there was a rash of people who died after

475
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: being bitten, and all of a sudden, the outside world

476
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: started to look in and say, what are you guys doing?

477
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: And the authorities were like, we don't think you should

478
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: be able to do that. I started to try to

479
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: pass laws, but none of them. There actually are laws

480
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: that and indirectly prevent people from doing this, And there's

481
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: actually some that directly prevent them, I guess in every

482
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: Appalachian state except for West Virginia, but they're very rarely

483
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: enforced because of religious liberties, right, yeah, religious freedoms. Um.

484
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: There have been some raids, uh, notably actually Coots Place.

485
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Coots Place sounds like a sitcom, hanging with Mr Coots.

486
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Coots Church was rated as a part of a series

487
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: of stings in two thousand eight under the code names

488
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: twice really you're kidding me. Um. In one church they

489
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: confiscated snakes and may to arrest and then it Coots

490
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Um Church. I think they got about seventy five snakes

491
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: and arrested a few others, including him. But UM, I

492
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: don't think they stay in jail very long. UM, I

493
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: can't imagine what the penalty is. Well, the grand juries

494
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: typically refused to indict them. They might be charged with him,

495
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: they might be hauled to jail, but they there. There's

496
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: no indictment that's handed down, so they don't go to trial.

497
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: But they confiscate the snakes at least yeah, usually because um,

498
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, for example, it's illegal to keep venomous snakes,

499
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: and the snakes that they're using are very venomous. They're

500
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: deadly cotton mouths, rattlesnakes, um, all sorts of very deadly

501
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: venomous snakes. So they're breaking the law just by having

502
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: the snakes. But again, um, they're typically left alone as

503
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: far as the courts are concerned. And the reason why

504
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: you're saying at the beginning of this episode that it's

505
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: hard to not just be like stop. Um, I think

506
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't have that much trouble with

507
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: this I came to see it differently after doing research

508
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: on it. There they have more a's involved with this stuff.

509
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: So moray eels more. No, I thought they handled those

510
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: two because never require like an aquarium and nobody wants that. Um.

511
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: They they have just kind of rules around the whole

512
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: thing where you don't go handle a serpent unless you

513
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: feel like you have been commanded by God to go

514
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: do that right then and you're you're imbued with the

515
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit which is protecting you right then, there's no

516
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: pressure whatsoever to go do that. There's actually um discouragement

517
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: to do it for any kind of show of faith

518
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um. And then children are are

519
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: banned from doing it. They're not allowed to handle the snakes. Yeah,

520
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: in the same way that, like, you're free to walk

521
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: into traffic if you want. I find it even less

522
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: harmful than that, because you're endangering the other driver's life.

523
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: If your hand you're walking into traffic, somebody might steer

524
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: into somebody else to get around you. This is you

525
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: and a snake. Yeah, I do have issues with how

526
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: the snakes are treated. Well, that's one of my other

527
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: big problems. So let's we'll we'll get into that. We

528
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: gotta take a break. Okay, Chuck, we're back. What's the problem.

529
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: What's your beef? Well, over the years, let's get into

530
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: some numbers, um and and about a hundred years, they

531
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: estimate about a hundred people have died from doing it.

532
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: And if you look at the numbers and the number

533
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: of people handling snakes, it's, uh, you think there'd be

534
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: a lot more people dying from snake bites. Pretty pretty surprising,

535
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: especially considering that most of them do refuse medical treatment

536
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: after being bitten. They still recover. Correct, that is unusual,

537
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: It's remarkable, it is uh. MPR did a story on

538
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: this in two thousand thirteen, and some snake experts herpetologist

539
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: started coming out of the woodwork, specifically the Kentucky reptiles,

540
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: who has been sort of investigating this on their own

541
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: for years, and they said, you know what, there's a

542
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: lot of things going on here. Um that it's sort

543
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: of a rigging of the stacking of the deck. Stacking

544
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: of the deck and the humans favor for one, these

545
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: snakes are mistreated, which is one reason I have a

546
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: problem with it. By all accounts from their investigations, they

547
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: saw crowded cages, they were dirty, there was no fecal

548
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: matter in the cage, which looked like they weren't being fed. Uh.

549
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: They asked Coots about that, and he said, well, I,

550
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: um my, my my rat connection went away. Rat hook

551
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: my my mouse and rat hook up disappeared on me.

552
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: And he says, besides, they won't eat. Uh, they won't

553
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: eat anyway, I think was his quote, which I don't

554
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: understand what that means, because snakes eat, they want to eat.

555
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: That sounds like something someone says when they're like pulling

556
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: their collar away from them. Uh. And he said is.

557
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: They asked him how long is snakes lived and he said,

558
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: on average three or four months. The reptile Zoo in

559
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Kentucky said snake should lived into it's twenty years. Oh wow,

560
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: he said they live on average three or four months. Yeah,

561
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: they're being mistreated. So because of this mistreatment these hungry snakes,

562
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that happen once you have

563
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: a hungry snake, and one is they are less likely

564
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: to strike if they're unhealthy. What else, when they do strike,

565
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: they're less likely to inject venom, So it's gonna be

566
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: it's likelier to be a dry strike, yeah, I think,

567
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: or dry strikes, but that's just under normal circumstances. Really,

568
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a malnourished and less fed or

569
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: um underwatered snake, it's probably even higher higher incidents of

570
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: dry strikes than that. The venom apparently isn't as potent

571
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: if it's an unhealthy snake. Um. In two thousand thirteen,

572
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: they rated a church in Tennessee. I think that's Andrew

573
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Hamblin's like you were talking about. Yeah, I think I

574
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: may have said as his first name incorrectly before, but yeah,

575
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: that's who I was talking about. Uh, And they confiscated

576
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: fifty three snakes that most of them died within months.

577
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: They were all unhealthy and so Basically, you've got these

578
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: malnourished snakes that you know, even when they do get bitten,

579
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: they're maybe even not getting any venom or less potent venom. Right,

580
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's rigged in a certain way. Plus,

581
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Also this article points out um it was a Julia

582
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Layton joint. She points out that it's also possible that

583
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: those of us here on the outside, and maybe even

584
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: the holiness serpent handlers, overestimate just how aggressive snakes actually

585
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: are by nature. Yeah, like you were saying, if you're

586
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: handling them gently, right, they're not gonna strike you. If

587
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: they especially if they don't feel threatened. If there's like, oh,

588
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: that's just a religious person, right and they're in they're

589
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: in the throes of religious ecstasy. I'll just ride it out.

590
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to be gently shaped for a while,

591
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: so let's see where this goes. Plus, a lot of

592
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: these snakes are raised in captivity, and snake experts will

593
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: tell you if you raise a snake in captivity, it's

594
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: less likely to strike at you because they don't fear

595
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: you as they should. Right. Plus, snakes don't typically speaking

596
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: from an evolutionary standpoint, it doesn't make any sense for

597
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: a snake to be like, yeah, I'm gonna strike you

598
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: thing that is way bigger than I am that I

599
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: don't prey upon. Naturally, I'm going to deliver all of

600
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: my venom because the venom they need it to actually eat,

601
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: they need it for prey, right, And the snake wouldn't

602
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: know this, but natural selection would have figured it out

603
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: by now that if a snake is striking something like

604
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: a hippo that's coming at it and delivers all of

605
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: its venom um, that hippo is still going to stomp

606
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: the snake before the venom actually has any effect on it. Yeah,

607
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: and you've lost all your venom, and you know you

608
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: can regenerate it, but you know it's not like immediate, right,

609
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: So it doesn't in a in an evolutionary natural selection standpoint,

610
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense for a snake to strike

611
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: and deliver a full venom fight correct, right. Yeah, So

612
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: you have all this stuff together, and suddenly the mystery

613
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: of snake handling still is. It becomes a little clear.

614
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: It makes a little more sense how people are surviving,

615
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: but it's still remarkable that they aren't. They that more

616
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: people don't die, considering how often these snakes are handled. Yeah,

617
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: and if you if you look at interviews with Coots

618
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: on the YouTube, he'll he'll pick up his uh chunk

619
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: of rotted finger that he keeps and show you. He'll say,

620
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: look this. You know, my wife had to cut it

621
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: off at the mid knuckle with rose pruners. That was

622
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: a different guy. That was Bill Host. Well, no Coots,

623
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: it happened to him too. Oh really rose pruners again. Yeah,

624
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: like he literally held up his finger and showed it

625
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: to the lady on CNN. She was like, yeah, like

626
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: you kept that thing. Yeah, well, Bill Host's wife cut

627
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: his off with rose pruners. I think digits falling off

628
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: as the snake handler is pretty common. I don't think

629
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: it's like, no, that was that one guy. Um, so yeah,

630
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there you go. I'm against

631
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: it because they're mistreating snakes. Yeah, I have that. That's

632
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: my issue with it too. And so it's other than that.

633
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you want to do it, it's your thing. Yeah,

634
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: it's just one of those rare instances where you are

635
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: it's again aside from the treatment of the snake, you're

636
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: not harming anybody, but yourself. Yeah, there's almost no other

637
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: instance that's just like that. You know what I mean, Right,

638
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'm getting to be a libertarian. So let's

639
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: talk about Bill host Man, because that guy deserves maybe

640
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: even his own podcast one day. Yeah, this dude is

641
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: something else. Um, well, where do you start with him?

642
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: He was well as a kid, he had a dream.

643
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: Two he was always obsessed with snakes, and he had

644
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: a dream to one day have a a snake house

645
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: open to the public where he could educate people. And

646
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: he was an educator. He wasn't He wasn't a religious

647
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: snake handler. We should point that out up front. He

648
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: was a self trained scientist. Yeah, for sure, that's a

649
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: good way to say it. Thank you. So little kid

650
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: has a dream and he grows up and makes that

651
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: dream of reality and really believed, like really believed in

652
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: his heart and and through experimentation, that snake venom could

653
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: be very beneficial to a human. Yeah, he was actually

654
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: um after the Miami Serpentarium, which is his famous place

655
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: that he opened, was in full swing by this By

656
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: the late seventies, he was in clinical trials using snake

657
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: venom to help cure things like Parkinson's in multiple sclerosis

658
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: with a doctor, and the FDA actually came in and

659
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: shut them down because they were they were basically doing

660
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: human experimentation that was unsanctioned, but they were seeing results

661
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: from what I understand, Yeah, apparently he was seeing results

662
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: with his polio work earlier when Jonah Saul invented the vaccine,

663
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I guess it's great that

664
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: it's cured, but I wish it could have been mean

665
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: the snakes. So this dude started self immunizing in He

666
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: injected one part cape cobra venom with one thousand parts

667
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: sailine solution into his forearm and started gradually increasing the

668
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: amount of venom he would inject into his own body,

669
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: and within a couple of decades he was injecting every

670
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: day a cocktail of thirty two different snakes and reptile's venom,

671
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: which is a process called methrid it mythrid itism. Yeah,

672
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: methrid it is methrid itism. Methrid Itse was this famous

673
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: um I can't remember. He was an ancient king and

674
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: he developed a tolerance to poison because he was so

675
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: afraid of being poisoned, So he would drink a little

676
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: bit and this is it's so now if anybody who

677
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: does it, it's it's methrid. It is ism and that's

678
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: what he was doing. So he actually did this for

679
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: such a long time that his blood itself became anti

680
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: venom and it actually saved twenty one people's lives. Yeah,

681
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: he would, he would draw pints of blood from his

682
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: body to keep on hand, and he literally several times

683
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: flew all around the world with his blood to give

684
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: it to people to save them. Yeah. And apparently, and

685
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: I think nine he was bit by a Pakistani pit

686
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: viper and he didn't have any anti venom and the

687
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: White Hot used back channels to get their hands on

688
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: some from Rondout and saved his life. Pretty pretty neat stuff,

689
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: uh he Um. He has this famous quote, I could

690
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: become a poster boy for the benefits of venom if

691
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I live to be one hundred, I'll really make the point.

692
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: And he lived to be one hundred one years old

693
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: with snake venom pumping through his blood all day long. Yeah.

694
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: And there's a really neat um discussion about this guy

695
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: in a larger article called the Mathridityes of Fondue lock Um.

696
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy who wrote it. It's a

697
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: really great article tweeted out or something, um, but it

698
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: has some some stuff about Bell Hasten it. But it's

699
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: also about this other dude named Tim Freed who in

700
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the article he takes four venomous snake bites in forty

701
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: eight hours, although the whole things about whether or not

702
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: he can live through five. But he's been doing the

703
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah. So the Serpentarium in Miami closed in

704
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: nineteen be four because and I saw that the accident

705
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: was in nineteen seventy seven, so I'm not sure why

706
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: it took seven years to uh to close. But a

707
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: six year old boy had crocodiles and other stuff right

708
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: at the place. Six year old boy fell into the

709
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: croc pit and was mauled, and it really, uh obviously

710
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: disturbed Bill because he wasn't a bad guy. He wasn't

711
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: you know. He tore him up and he shot this

712
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: crocodile nine times with the luger pistol um, and I

713
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: guess seven years later decided to close it. Apparently the

714
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: dad didn't blame Bill, which is remarkable for the accident.

715
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: I just thought was strange if he took safety precautions

716
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: and the kid went around him. Then yeah, maybe so

717
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: it's not that dude's fault either way. It's horrible and tragic. Yeah,

718
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: and he he ended up closing the serpentarium as a

719
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: result of it, although I did realized it was seven

720
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: years later too. But he kept his um milking operation going.

721
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: That's right, in his own self injection routine, and he did.

722
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: He flew to Venezuela once into the Amazon to deliver

723
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: some of his own blood to save a boy's life.

724
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: And he was made an honorary citizen in Venezuela as

725
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: a result. That is so cool, Yeah, pretty amazing. He

726
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: claims he had never been sick a day in his life,

727
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: didn't take never had the cold, never had the flu,

728
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: didn't take aspirin um. In this article that you sent,

729
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: says he was unusually youthful looking. I don't know. I

730
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: looked at pictures he I don't know if he looked

731
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: a hundred, but I don't know about unusually youthful looking, right,

732
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Maybe so he had a glow about him, Yeah, glow

733
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: from venom. I'm gonna start shooting that stuff, I guess,

734
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I'm gonna stay away from it and

735
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: just be fascinated by the whole concept. Alrighty you anything else?

736
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I don't neither. If you want

737
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: to know more about snake handling, you can type those

738
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: words in the search bar how stuff works dot com.

739
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for oh, you

740
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: know what, it's time for Facebook questions. All right, So

741
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: what we do here, uhs when listener males have dried

742
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: up a little bit, we put it out to the

743
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: people on Facebook to send in questions and we'll answer

744
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: over the next two episodes as many as we can

745
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: that aren't dumb. And it's sort of a rapid fire

746
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: thing starting now. I'm like Billy on the Street. Who

747
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Billy on the Street, Billie Eigner, No great TV show?

748
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it, but

749
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it. It's wonderful. Let's start with Griggs Dorkin,

750
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: good old Griggs Dorkins. Yes, he says, if you woke

751
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: up to find that you had replaced a character in

752
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: a movie, you know, well, what movie and character would

753
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: it be? And how would you handle the circumstances differently,

754
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: fans is a really good question. I feel like Josh

755
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: has probably had an answer to this for years for

756
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the shining wink emoticon. You spell out wink emoticon or

757
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: did it just print out like that? I don't know.

758
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but no, he's spelled it out. I

759
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: had my answered easy, John Rambo, And what would you

760
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: do differently? Would you just immediately surrender? I would have

761
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: In the very beginning of First Blood when he drives

762
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: him across the bridge and says keep going that way,

763
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: I would have just kept going that way instead of

764
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: turning around and going back into down the end. Yeah,

765
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: John Rambo that would be a boring movie. Well, it

766
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: would be very short. Yeah, to be a short phone,

767
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: John Rambo. Hitchhiker, that's a good one. Yeah, what about you.

768
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: I'll have to think about that, all right. And hey, Storkin,

769
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: we'll see in Denver, buddy, all right, smile emoticon. This

770
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: from Jamie Whittaker. H Josh always refers to his favorite book. Josh,

771
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: you want to say it fo that's right, but I'm

772
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: usually driving and I never take it down. I can't remember,

773
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: so he says it's eighteen something. It's not right, Chuck,

774
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: what is your number one recommendation? Um? I don't know

775
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: if I have a favorite book, but I always recommend

776
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: the book middle Sex just because it's one of the

777
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: great books that I read. Jeffrey Eugenness, Yeah, I think

778
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: that's right. He wrote. Uh well, he's written a lot

779
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: of great books, but Middlesex is wonderful, so great, great

780
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: all around book. Yep, Okay, nice one, man. Uh, let's see.

781
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Trey mclamb has a great question. How different would our

782
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: health be if we could sleep every day until we

783
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: wake up naturally? Is if alarm clocks were never invented.

784
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: I would guess we'd all be a lot more mellow.

785
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: We get less done, sure, but we'd be more mellow

786
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: like our five day weekend. Remember that episode I do.

787
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: I think that kind of dovetails with that quite a bit,

788
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: just kind of doing what you do. There's your answer,

789
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: good one. I don't know about that. There's a good question.

790
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Terrible answer. Uh, Sam Horne, you've been dropping hintsive late

791
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: about live shows overseas. Would love to see you in

792
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the UK. We have loads of stuff you should now. Terrible,

793
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Uh Sam. We're hoping to come to the UK this summer.

794
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: We're working on it hard, We're working on it it

795
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: may or may not pan out because planning shows overseas

796
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, can be challenging. Yeah, you have

797
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: to take a citizenship test. Did you know that? I

798
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: didn't know that. It's weird. So we're trying and listen

799
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: up for updates on that front. Okay, let's see. Uh.

800
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: Just Riddell says, I listened to your color podcast Color

801
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: with a You, and Chuck mentioned he might have a

802
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: color deficiency. I'd like to hear a podcast about color

803
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: blindness and color of deficiencies. Please smile emoticon. I think

804
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: people are putting this in. It's typing it out when

805
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: you print it. It's got to be maybe what's the question?

806
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Wasn't a questioned all of the Nope, okay and good one. Uh, Chuck, Well,

807
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: they say, Josh diego Leal, how's the property squatting coming along?

808
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: That was me, Um, I haven't heard anything from a

809
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: few years. Uh, and I have anything about hippie Rob.

810
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm still squatting everybody. It's working out great. Uh And

811
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: as far as we know, UM, we don't own the

812
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: property yet, but we think the county might. And there's

813
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: really I don't think we're in any danger of losing

814
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: it anytime soon. It's not your next door neighbor, back

815
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: back neighbor, now behind neighbor, whatever. Nope. So yeah, the County.

816
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll ever be able to own

817
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: it then, even through adverse possession, maybe not. But I

818
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything that can do with it. It's

819
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: such a small strip. So I think we're good. Are

820
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: they gonna start parking like a tar truck back there?

821
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: County Land? What about Hippie rob? Any updates there? John

822
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: should be Robb will forever live forever in the ether? Uh?

823
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: Claire Dalt Dolby to Alby, I'd say Dolby too. Normally, Uh,

824
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: if you could revisit an episode and do it differently,

825
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: slash better? Which one the sun? Not a bad idea,

826
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: and I would definitely like another track. Um. Every once

827
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: in a while, I can't think of him. I mean

828
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: we've done like eight hundred plus episodes. Every once in

829
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: a while I will leave here and I say it

830
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: every time I feel that way, I'll be like that

831
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: one just wasn't as good because it could have been.

832
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: And it's always something that's like really important, like the

833
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: topic is really important to me so I like overthink

834
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: it and it always pans out fine, but I can't.

835
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I can't think of any that I would just like

836
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: to go back and get over again. Yeah, I thought

837
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: you just kind of let you know, even if I'm

838
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: a little disappointed, it is what it is. Yeah, that's

839
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Speaker 1: a philosophy, you know, I guess it is. Yeah, it's

840
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: a boring philosophy. Um, they and Floyd, are we ever

841
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: going to get a how Jerry works episode? Nope, Jerry

842
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: doesn't want people to know how she works. She operates

843
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: in stealth and secret. Yeah. The c I A and

844
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: she may or may not exist. Uh. Larry Tiffany says,

845
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: what evidence will we see if the flood epic of

846
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Noah's Ark were indeed true? Well, Larry, we've got something

847
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: for you, buddy. It's a whole episode on Noah's Ark

848
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: in the flood. It was pretty pretty good one if

849
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. I have no recollection. That's good. Okay,

850
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: how about one more each? Luke vis Ring, have you

851
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: ever been told the topic is off limits? No, we

852
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: have not. That we are very lucky and that we

853
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: are free to program our own content, and are all

854
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: the various bosses and company owners we've had over the years,

855
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Speaker 1: I've always steered clear of that, which were very thankful for. Yeah,

856
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: we self regulated. One more. Josh Robinson asks Johns and

857
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Speaker 1: Chuck why do you hate the nineties? Why do you

858
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: hate my childhood? I love the nineties. I'm yeah. I

859
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: think the nineties were like okay, and I just don't

860
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: think that they were. I don't think they produced that

861
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: much great stuff. Everything just had this kind of superficialness

862
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: to it. I felt like, well, I love the nineties.

863
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: The nineties was my twenties in my college. The beloved

864
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: very much to me, and things were great in the

865
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: nineties in a lot of ways. Are you nostalgizing right now? No,

866
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: I thought we had a band on that. No. I

867
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Speaker 1: love the nineties. Great, great music, great culture. See. I

868
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: think the music thing is where I have the issue.

869
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was great great music. There is

870
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: some good music. I don't dispute that, but I think

871
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really bad music. That's every generation,

872
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I knew you were going to say that,

873
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: and I was prepared to respond, and it is as follows.

874
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Look at the eighties, right, Okay, A lot of bad music,

875
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot of great music, but there was a lot

876
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: more good listenable music, Like think of all the one

877
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: hit wonders in the eighties. There were a lot a

878
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: lot of singles that were pretty good and listenable even

879
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: at the time, not just in retrospect. In the nineties,

880
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: there was a lot a lot of stuff on the

881
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: radio was awful. Yeah, yeah, like Nirvana and stuff like that. No,

882
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean again, there was some like good stuff, and

883
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: there were plenty of good bands, but for the most

884
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: part it felt like there was just a lot of

885
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: really bad stuff too. I'll go back to the spin

886
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: doctors again. I think that is the emblem of the nineties.

887
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: Spin doctors. They were huge for a little while, and

888
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: then I think that also carried into the early two

889
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: thousand's with with a lot of the terrible nous, too interesting,

890
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: and it's like there just seemed to be and I

891
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: know the eighties were super vapid, very shallow, but almost

892
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to a cartoonist to the nineties were unaware of its superficiality.

893
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: It felt like like it was trying really hard to

894
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: not be superficial, but it was failing at it. I

895
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: think I reject the notion that a lot of one

896
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: hit wonders equals good not good better. I got three

897
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: words for you walking on sunshine. That was Katrine in

898
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: the way. So that was wrong with that? Well maybe

899
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: we just have different tastes maybe, so sorry, let's send

900
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: this now and don't it feel good? Yeah? Yes it does, chuck.

901
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: So that was Facebook Questions, Part one, Part one I

902
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